Backcountry Aviation's STOL Tips: (The Landing)
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This is the third part of a series on backcountry flying involving the the landing. In an effort to merge our old power points into a more entertaining and informative format we are moving to videos. If you are interested subscribe for more down the road.
The full write up is here:
www.backcountrypilot.org/stol...
We use a Maule M7, Piper PA-18, Carbon Cub, and a Cessna 185 to demonstrate STOL landings in the backcountry. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Outstanding partner to your previous ones, Patrick. If your ears were burning recently, it was because Jeanne McPherson (of Mountain AirDance) was praising these videos as we flew back from a mountain training flight out of Helena recently. And she teaches exactly that kind of steep descent that you share here and in the earlier video. Superb videography, too. Congrats!
Definitely the best techniques for back country STOL work.
Very good series of tips for STOL. I applied your tips on my Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. And I enfoy so much to watch your videos! Thank you!
Great narrative and GREAT photography to go along with the lesson plan! Thanks for a GREAT Vid....! Gordon
+Gordon Mccoy Thanks!
What a beautifully done piece...thank you!
Great video series!
Loose water bottle rolls into view on cockpit floor at 2:43 - imagine if that got behind a rudder pedal? :-o
Visorvision UK yes I just saw that, and I was thinking the same thing!
@@theflyingfrog I've seen it happen to a friend of mine in a rental 172. Imagine that in a taildragger in a crosswind.
Pee bottle
Very well done explanation and great photography. Thanks.
Thank you for the advices, I will put them into practice in the upcoming Microsoft Flight simulator 2020.
Awesome video! Keep'em coming! Subscribed!
Excellent video! Thank you!
Fantastic video series.
Great video! When my primary instructor taught me this it seemed weird... But it works so well to nail that spot!
The coolest thing I noted was the variance in airspeed per weight (AOA constant.) He, my primary, also taught me to put the airplane in landing configuration and test the CURRENT stall speed at altitude. Add my 5% and that was my approach speed. Anyone else taught this method? What were you taught to determine approach speed?
I am flying an Exp. PA12 160HP Lycoming with a constant speed prop, 35" AK Bush wheels, AOSS, and Doug Kellers Perfomance Fowler Flaps. When landing on short off field areas (I would not call them strips because they are not) I typically am flying nose high, full flaps, power as needed to keep aloft adjusting power as to drop in and at the last minute rotate forward driving the wheels to the ground, dump the flaps and brake as hard as needed to stop. I find this approach works so much better for me. I have decreased my landing distance tremendously with this technique, and have damaged my tail wheel far less than when I was typically flaring as before.
Being comfortable is pretty important. If it works for you then I would say thats what matters. As for damaging the tailwheel, we have been doing this a long time in a lot of planes and never damaged a tailwheel so perhaps you had a different technique?
Very good video. I fly helicopters, the same rules apply to us when we have an engine failure. But we only get one shot at it.
Sometimes we do to😁
Spectacular Excellent
Saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina.
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Excellent information thank you ... now out to the strip and practise.
flip flops and loose water bottle ahahahah, party on wayne
The loose bottle can be an issue, but style isn't.
@@usquanigo Until you have an accident or engine fire and ruin your toes.
@@bidlymovies987 Don't crash.
But more to the point, a sneaker is not going to protect anything. If it would, it would be approved safety gear in dangerous environments.
@@bidlymovies987 What a ridiculous comment. Guess I'll buy a firesuit for my morning commutes in my Mazda
@@alexj1757 Have you ever been in a plane that had an engine fire? My guess is you have not. You can simply pull off the road and stop in your Mazda. Not quite that simple in an airplane.
Damn cool stuff, thanks for the video :D
Great video, thanks.
Great stuff!
Great video buddy! Subscribed!
Thank you for such an educational video. Question: Since you set your nose attitude on approach as a constant, and you control your glide path the with throttle, What is your descent rate? It must be much greater than the usual nose-level descent for a wheelie landing.
Awesome lesson...!!,
Really a great video
Hey bud, you got that down pat imo. All sounds so easy but get on the controls in a crosswind try to avoid an obstacle that just happened to jump in your windscreen and thinking just don't happen; practice, practice and more practice and new challenge then the same again, till those wings become strapped to your back and they become part of you. Like the video and also love the cub...........cheers and you still have to fly safe!
Perfect your instructions i love planes STOL.
Very informative, thanks:-)
“The flare, the touchdown, the bounce, the roll-out.”
Every one of these planes were beautiful.
Thanks,well worth the time.❤
Thank you so much for taking the time and give us that experience that you have
awesome!!
is there any vectoring when you use flaps down ie. redirecting propwash downwards or is it just lift gained dependent on forward velocity?
спасибо за классное видео )
great video thanks from a wanna be STOL pilot.
Just take a look at the dance routine on the controls from the inside shots. I use to watch Crows landing on the top of a telegraph pole, now that is how to land short, they have the flare sorted.
Helicopters do Autorotation same as birds..but they roll 20-100 feet forward...
. I admire my Blue Jays..they pluck the peanuts off my hand, back off a foot while turning 180 and power away..You feel the wind they pushed down..
Michael Devenport
Michael Devenport
I'm looking for tips on how to land my RC cub (Multiplex Fun Cub) and came across this video! I didn't know this was even possible. Amazing!
Superb
great great video.
Land brakes on with a touch of forward pressure at touch down? Seems like there'd only be so many times you would get away with that, even in a Maule with soft brakes, but who knows. Cool spots you're going in to!
Subbed!
M. Patey, used to reverse his prop for shorter landings, too, didn't he?
Anything you can add to the idea of using prop for STOL?
I just saw a Maule with a turboprop today here on youtube.
I've been thinking how cool it would be able to put a TP100 on a Maule M7.
There was a time when I thought I wanted to be a bush pilot. Then I realized I couldn't afford that much new underwear.
+Bob Sullivan There was a time when I thought I wanted to be a bush pilot. Then I realized I couldn't afford it.
where are these videos from ? id love to fly wearing flip-flops , and live a bit far from things.
haha that guy with the flip flops and the water bottle rolling around on the floor... zero f****'s given!!
Yep pretty much! I learned to fly in sandals in the heat of Texas so control obviously isn't an issue, when flying in a hostile area I wear boots (dress to egress blah blah blah) but when cruising the local hood with plenty of places to land and cell phone reception sandals are my go to. The bottle was put there on purpose to demonstrate the deceleration at max braking. In order for it to become dangerous I would have already had to flip over since it's a taildragger it's pretty tough get it to roll uphill!
I would caution landing with brakes applied. This can cause a nose over! You can always land shorter than it takes to take off again so why push the envelope? Is it really worth stopping that short or landing in this spot. Is the Risk worth the Reward?
Exceptable
I imagine retracting flaps also reduces nose down moment, allowing a bit more braking force with conventional gear. Not so much about the weight on the wheels if the elevator can't hold the tail down.
Miss your videos
Would like to see a video on things to have with you when flying back country.
Tim if you go to our page there are 2 videos about packing a carbon cub and a maule. While it doesn’t lay out exactly what we bring it gives you a good sample of what you can fit and some of the equipment.
Sandals and a loose water bottle in the Maule.......hmmmm. Your one lucky pilot.
great lesson
+Artur Raven thanks!
+Artur Raven thanks! Our video about the approach is a good predecessor to this one
Thank you so much for this usefull video. Perhaps you would have done better not to let that bottle rolling on the floor. It could be very dangerous. Look at 2:44
I thought the same thing when I saw that.
It hit me at the end of this video. There's a breed of people out there who are like. Hey, you know those nice manicured runways and mowed grass strips? Screw em' I want to go land on a river bank. And they do.
Braeden Hamson where’s the fun in a runway
I would have liked to have seen video this when I started to fly a Champ back in the seventies but of course the we did'nt have all the internet info that is available now. I did OK though, my instructor was an ex RCAF instructor with thousands of hours in an AT6
Even though I'm not a pilot I found this really interesting.
Can anybody tell me the name of the music used on the intro and outro? I can't see it anywhere on the video or the description and shazam doesn't know it either.
I will try to look it up. It was a song I bought from pond 5 I believe just for this series. Off the top of my head I don't recall its name. But it is just a stock song I do know that.
Thank you for a well informed video. Some of your back country looks like Utah. I'd like to know your filming locations.
+Robert Emmons gosh too many to really list. Feel free to pm and I'll do my best to answer
Backcountry Aviation I'll have to wait until I get onto a computer, my phone does not support that feature (that I'm aware of anyway). Thank you for your videos, I've found, and watched, a few of them. Although I'm not a pilot, I love the bush planes, and someday I'd like to become a pilot before I become too old to do so.
Those who use flats will be cut short with problems when the flaps do not work
I would always use a side slip as you can always descend at a much steeper and controlled rate.
Forward roll is usually less, and I also noticed a lot of these taildragers would bounce on their front wheels to much, Not allowing a proper shorter roll out to put the plane down in the shortest roll.
Thanks for the STOL Tips videos. They are well made. What shoes are you using at 5:18?
Some really colorful ones with reflectors. It was really hard to get pedal shots in the cub. In the maule we could light the footwell, but in the cub it was tougher so I wore those bright ones to help. Can’t recall the brand. Sorry.
@@Backcountryaviation Was just curious. I liked the style of those shoes. Thanks for your awesome vids!
So would you not want to keep the tailwheel on the ground after 3point landing on a gravel strip?
Ohh, for balked landings. But wouldnt the tailwheel prov more friction and slow you down quicker?
I'm a novice but I just have to ask: why don't small planes just have twice the wing area to allow a slower landing speed? Slower is safer right?
more wing=more drag as well as more lift. It is a matter of finding the best combination of lift, drag and power to weight ratios.
cool
Excellent! Could you please add English exactly subtitles with your videos?
+choorela that might be past my technical capabilities!
Thanks anyway! Take care & Alway Good luck!
I heard you make a comment about retracting flaps being distracting for students on touchdown - I assume you're an instructor? If so, I'd love to get some bush training with you, plus, make some videos :)
Small world, I just watch some of your videos. I was the president and chief flight instructor of the Univeristy of Texas flying club in the late 90s/early 2000. In fact my wife believes she was your instructor briefly. We still have a house in Austin and visit regularly. So I see some opportunity in the future.
That's awesome! Shoot me an email next time you're/y'all are in the area. What's her first name?
Lindsey. Would have been a few years back.
Yes, Lindsey did my discovery flight back in '09, and I flew with her a few time here and there during my private training. Wow, small world!! Tell her hello for me.
Where did you learn your off airport skill set?
Back then there weren’t too many places. So I just slowly taught myself. Nowadays there are tons of places. I recommend summit aviation in Bentonville, Tacaero or promark aviation
02:45 The Most Potentially Deadly Bottle Of Water That guy has ever owned i bet, rolling around near pedals in STOL with steep AOA's :O
How many pounds can a Carbon Cub can take in each baggage compartment?
It's been a while but I believe it is 60 for the extended baggage.
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Makes me want to fly, just to land.
Looks like under inflated tires, but I guess cushion is king, and caution of course.
These types of tires only have enough pressure to stay on the rims. Softens the landing bounce, increases floatation and smooths out the big rocks and bumps. Backcountry flying is an art form that varies wildly from airport operations. If you fly, lower your tire pressure and start landing on the grass....it will open up a whole new world of exhilarating flying!
You forgot to list the approach- that's where it all begins.
That was actually our first in the series. It's called the approach
I caught that as the vid. went on... I spoke too soon. I have always seen adding power on flare as a correction, I guess it depends what one is flying. I was the factory pilot for the Air Cam, and made many off field landings, including out west. Landed on a golf course one... My typical roll was 250'. (indicated stall was 35 mph)
+John Hunter Aircam eh?! My wife and I drool over those. She wants one so bad. I would love to pick your brain on it. Mind if I PM you my contact info?
Not at all. I flew 1,500 hours on prototypes #2 & production prototype (3#) w/ 582s, 914s & 912Ss. I did spin testing, flew both to 18,000' and flew over Mt. Whitney (amomg other peaks). I built 2 in my garrage, the 1st w/ 912Ss & the 2nd w/852s. I sold the first 64 kits, and did 7 or 8 maiden flights and checked out countless pilots. I've flown 'Cams in Mexico, Bahamas, Costa Rica, Columbia, U.A.E. & 38 States. I flew with Chuck Yeager & Dave Hinson (FAA Administrator at the time). I'm in Italy to test a new LSA model, and just got back from Friedrichshafen, Germany for the GA Expo.
John Hunter stop, stop...you are making me envious enough...mercy please...
stow that water bottel at 2:44 cockpit FOD.
+john smith we actually put it there to show deceleration. Because it is a taildragger we would have to already be in trouble for it to make it anywhere.
Drink bottle lose footwell?
Flip flops are the perfect thing for rudder control. (sarcasm) (2:38) I think I would prefer to just ditch them and go barefoot for the flight.
Velocity squared.
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This looks like a lot of fun but I just looked up total cost to get a private pilot license at a local school and darn near had a heart attack!
Flip Flops?? Those are handy when your in the bush.
+hawkdsl Swiss army sandals. They are all the rage 😉. We were filming not actually out in the backcountry
I need to try flying with flip flops one day (2:37)....
You should it’s liberating
BACKCOUNTRY AVIATION, WHY DO YOU REMOVE COMMENTS THAT YOU DON'T LIKE ?
well I suppose that would be an obvious answer, but I don't even know how to remove a comment so I am not sure what you mean. I do see different comments on different platforms (tablet vs computer for instance), but I don't know why this is.
Hmm, I thought E=1/2MV^2
momentum is not energy
NIce video, but not only are the physics ovesimplified, they are plain wrong. What you're looking for is the kinetic energy of the landing plane, which equals mass x speed[squared]/2. The effect of this fact is not so different from your conclusion, apart from making it even more important to bleed off speed. A good pilot should know basic physics.
Ох, какое же это удовольствие!!! А в России, с её просторами, совершенно нет развития малой авиации...
Yeah... I don't want to be a bush pilot now.
Hopefully he's got more than just flip flops in the airplane in case he's got to walk 50 miles some place. Styles one thing being prepared is another.
I was at kedc, so it wouldn’t be much of a walk to the FBO....Texas in the summer can get a little warm.
Why am I watching this I’m not even a pilot
too much talk and not enough close up visual.
You don't need PANACEAs for well executed landings. You need PANACEAs for poorly executed landings. English your second language?
PLEASE- can the whistling and background music; it's obnoxious and detracts from outstanding visuals.
спасибо за классное видео )
спасибо за классное видео )