Michael, if you read this, I want to sincerely thank you. To me, you illustrate how one can be an intellectual as well as religious. I was severely afraid the two might be exclusive. I'm 20 so I have a lifetime of study ahead of me - but I'm thinking it might be unneccessary because I know others have studied extensively and kept their faith. God bless you!
You have a beautiful faith, and a hunger for righteous honesty. Thank you for this comment, it has lifted my spirit. God bless you and may he establish the works of your hands to benefits of many and to the glory of God.
The visuals are exceptional my brother. And, as always, your arguments against the division of the text into multiple sources are as convincing as they are educational.
I've never looked into the Documentary hypothesis before. There is a lot to digest in these videos, but I'm really appreciating them as an introduction to the issues to being discussed. Thanks so much!
You should check out Dr. Kipp Davis' presentation of documentary hypothesis. This guy by, his own admission, doesnt understand the documentary hypothesis
@@evereststevens5408 Kipp Davis is as much of an expert in the DH as IP is. Davis's specialty is in the Dead Sea Scrolls, not form criticism of the OT. And as IP says in the first 2 minutes, even the DH proponents can't agree how many sources there are, and what texts come from which sources even in this passage from Exodus, let alone the whole OT. You know the theory is crap when not even the experts can agree on what the theory even is.
Side but interesting note, the guys at the Weird Bible podcast on Lore Lodge once brought up that they may have found an egyptian record that could point to the day on which the plague of darkness took place. I can't remember the exact day or year I just remember it was some time in October. Shortly after that there is another account by the Egyptians in which they say they wipe the Hebrew people off the face of the Earth. That clearly never happened, but the Egyptian leadership had a way of embellishing their records and spinning a defeat as a victory, so how would they explain all their Hebrew slaves escaping? Saying they totally wiped them out. "Yes, I know there are no longer any Hebrew slaves in the land of Egypt, but that is only because we slaughtered them so good that there are none left please go nowhere near the Red Sea..."
Thanks! I've tried reading some academic discussions about uncommon but interesting topics but they tend to degenerate into blah blah blah very quickly. Thanks again for the translation. You never know when having a little info like this can come in handy.
While the old Documentary Hypothesis has been rejected, there seems to be newer versions of Documentary Hypothesis which supposedly is making a significant reemergence among scholars because they avoided the problems of the old Docu Hypothesis while accounting for the data. For example, google the title of the article below for details. Quote: “The Re-Emergence of Source Criticism: The Neo-Documentary Hypothesis The Documentary Hypothesis, abandoned in much pentateuchal scholarship of the last 40 years, is making a significant resurgence, although in a new and more precisely argued form. It is once again taking its place as a significant theory of the composition of the Pentateuch.”
My biggest dislike of the common documentary narratives are the unspoken assumptions, that being that the use of prior or existing sources (later combined into a single document) somehow diminishes the value of the accounts as both revelation and truth. Even if there are multiple sources used in the preparation of a final version, i.e. the Torah as it is now, it does nothing to disprove the events that inspired the accounts. All it says is that some person took the accounts they had and then placed them into a single narrative. The idea that some different groups would have recorded different aspects, portions or elements of the events down is no issue to me. We know that Kings and Chronicles are separate accounts of broadly the same events. The same is true of the Gospels. That being said I am happy to believe that the Torah was essentially the inspired compilation of the words and works of Moses into a combined narrative.
I was trained in the Documentary Hypothesis. To understand it you need to put yourself in the shoes of the scholars who developed it. They saw things in the text that are certainly strange by the standards of modern single author documents, and they didn't have access to the archaeological evidence of the ANE style that we do. They did the best they could with the data they had, and they deserve our respect for that. It's not reasonable to criticise them on the basis of data they didn't have.
@@DarrenGedye That’s fair and all, and I supposed since I’m not exactly in the shoes of scholars, I don’t have much to say on this matter. What bothers me, however, is the fact that they take something as simple as the narrative of Exodus with symbolism and whatnot (as IP shown) and then divide into several sources that they can’t even agree one.
@@clayton4349 I don't claim to be a scholar myself, just a lifelong student. But it's the job of scholars and rabbis to ask each other the hard questions and test everything. As iron sharpens iron, so each group of scholars sharpens each other 😉 But think about Moses writing "Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth." Suddenly what seemed simple reveals hidden depths.
@@DarrenGedye That’s also fair. I would say that Moses used a scribe of some sort to write down everything he got, or like in the case of Matthew, Moses decided to write himself in third person.
@@clayton4349 Everywhere I look, be it religion, politics, sport, or whatever, I see a tendency to assume "our side" is simply and obviously the best, and anyone who disagrees must be a liar or a fool. It seems part of (fallen?) human nature. But we are told to make every effort to present ourself approved to God, an unashamed worker who accurately handles the word of truth. So I try to make a concious effort to find the pro's and con's on every side in a debate. Obviously I'm human and I don't always live up to that ideal, but I like to try. May God forgive me for the times I fail. 😥
Michael, I love your channel and some of your content has literally changed my worldview (your problem of evil video). I am going to offer some constructive criticism, and you can take or leave it. I have found the narration in some of your recent videos hard to follow. It seems like you are reading directly from an opinion paper you've written. I fully admit I've never created content or narrated anything, so maybe I'm in no position to talk here, and I have zero problem if you just ignore this comment. I will say history, biblical history, apologetics, and mysteries in the Bible are all subjects I've had a life long fascination with, so I'm thinking if someone like me is struggling to stay focused during your videos then maybe others are too. Maybe reach out to some other content creators and see how they write and prep for their narrations. Thanks for all your hard work brother!
I have no clue what you mean. I’ve made videos this exact same way for years now. I’ve already give you my opinions on the matter and what scholars say on the issue. So I don’t know what you mean or why you think it is different. Nothing has changed in how I’ve made these.
@@InspiringPhilosophy I think I can explain the difference between the problem of evil video, and the textual comparison series. The former is filled with simple, persuasive, _old Anglo Saxon_ words, while the latter are filled with polysyllabic compounds from the Greek and Latin. They are all grammatical, well-spoken English phrases, that all literate people should understand. Unfortunately, proficient English literacy is found in one fifth or less of the adult English-speaking population. The Greek and Latin root words come across to the semi-literate as sounding abstract and airy, rather than plain speaking, down to earth language. Notice the references to fascination, apathy, and distraction. Then the literal argument from ignorance. He was wishing you would get to the point, because he will never read your sources to digest your meatier ideas. He wouldn't know where to look for them if he were interested. It's important to produce scholarly resources, but they will only resonate with the scholastically minded. Matt 7:6
@InspiringPhilosophy it's more than likely a problem with me. Perhaps I'm oversaturating my mind with podcast and TH-cam videos. I honestly haven't been able to get through a single of your videos in the last few months. It just sounds exactly like you are reading an opinion essay. I wrote hundreds of them in college, lol. One problem is I don't watch them, I only listen. I work alone, and I enjoy listening to long podcasts or TH-cam videos to help me get through the day. I will try watching them. If the data doesn't show people are losing interest and nobody else has mentioned it then it's obviously just a problem on my end.
@Fozzy Bear you might be right about a few things even though your comment was a little condescending. I don't particularly have huge interest in the Greek and Latin breakdowns. I will say it's got nothing to do with wanting him to get to the point, Michael gets to the point immediately in all of his videos. Perhaps he gets to the point too quickly and doesn't build up enough to his big reveal. Perhaps I'm just an idiot looking for entertainment from a channel that's primary mission is to educate 🤔. Anyways, I'm fully prepared to admit the problem is me. There is no need to take up anyone else's time with this topic.
A rule of writing in general is to use different words that mean the same thing. It is bad writing to use the same exact word over and over again, especially in a brief passage.
I think it's like comparing something mentioned on the news as a big story then sometime after it goes into detail about what it is about so it not two different completely storys.
I think it's from Moses to the time of the judges that an original work was first composed and was then 'Jerusalemized' into the lingua franca of the kingdom. That explains the 'archaic/standard and late-' -Biblical Hebrew in the Tanakh.
Thank you for not assuming the documentary hypothesis has been proven. Many laypeople, scholars, and even some members of the clergy act as though the matter is settled despite _hypothesis_ being right there in the name.
If they are my age or older then they have some justification for considering it settled. Its still hard to believe that Moses wrote "Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth" or described his own death and burial. Yet new data requires old ideas to be debated and re-evaluated.
I repeat myself all the time. This clearly shows that I'm actually a combination of 4 people that a future person came and stitched together. This future person stitching multiple people together idea is far more rational than thinking I like beating a dead horse
Michael, excellent work yet again 👏. Your videos are always of the highest quality and I appreciate the amount of research and detail you put into it. I pray God continues to use you to spread His gospel.
I have a question as well. I was talking to atheist giving historical evidence for the New Testament and so on, and he brought up that there is no evidence that the Israelites were slaves in ancient Egypt ever recorded, that there weren’t slaves at all. Can you make a video on that or if someone can help answer that I might be more informed? God Bless
@@Lone-Lee I don’t have a lot of knowledge so take what I say with some grain of salt, but it I think it is an ancient Egyptian papyrus that tells the story of Egypt in complete chaos. It also mentions “the river turning/is blood”
The wrath of GOD is coming to the ungodly, idolaters and wicked people! Lord Jesus Christ is coming soon🙏🏼❤️🕊REPENT, believe in the Gospel, Be Born Again
@2:23~~Me no make claim! pure conjecture: what if infant/baby sacrifice to Moloch was to ensure A) that old men didn't die by the angel of death if the Lord was to kill 1st born again & B) once it was known a wife et al. could carry to term without birthing a monster, she could obviously make more & infants don't know what happened to them in their innocence. Seems to me this destroys the concept of unreasoned cruelty...we know that certain babies were born as monsters, "from purple ova, as it were" Cherish is the new love, Be Well. _Martin Luther never spawned a Peasants Revolt in Germany which in turn spawned a Hundred Years Peace._ I am a good Bing, The Bible Project are bad users.
Hey everyone. Sorry to bother, but I’m having trouble with the Hebrew verbs used in exodus 31:17 “It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.” (Highlight on “he was refreshed”) Some scholars like Francesca Stavrakopoulou have suggested that a Hebrew verb here on “he was refreshed” suggests the physiology of panting after laborious work. Similar to exodus 23:12. Yet other scholars suggest that the Hebrew verb used in Isaiah 40:28 is different from the verb used on “he was refreshed” in exodus 31:17. “He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.” (Emphasis on tired and weary) Some scholars suggest that (tired and weary) here is different from the Hebrew verb used in Exodus 3:17 to describe tiredness, meaning the author was using two different verbs in each verse, and that the authors never tried to say that God was tried in exodus 31:17. May someone please clarify this? I’m not a Hebrew scholar, so I’m not sure which scholar to trust here. Im just confused if God actually is tired in exodus 31:17
Surprising how you haven't done any "RIP" for Dr Michael Heiser. You could at least do a short video and quote some of his works. I believe he deserves it, seeing that you use him *a lot*
Hugs to you in remembrance of our veteran late Dr. Mike Heiser, please be patient, our brother IP will get to it, we must keep in mind that 1st of all The Great Commision is rightfully ought to be in our minds, he will later get to it, that's how late Dr. Mike Heiser would want it to be too, first God, then the rest of all His people.
Strange that scholars would spend so much effort trying to break one story down into 2 or 3 sources. What's even the point? How is whether it was from one source or two or three sources really going to make a difference anyway? And why call the sources P and E? Is that some kind of abbreviation that I'm missing? Why not give them better names, or just number them?
Scholars have identified three literary traditions in Exodus, designated by the letters J, E, and P. The J strand, so called because it uses the name Yahweh (Jahweh in German) for God, is a Judaean rendition of the sacred story, perhaps written as early as 950 BCE. The E strand, which designates God as Elohim, is a version of the sacred story from the northern kingdom of Israel, written in about 900-750 BCE. The P strand, so called because of its cultic interests and regulations for priests, is usually dated in the 5th century BC and is regarded as the law upon which Ezra and Nehemiah based their reform. Each of these strands preserves materials much older than the time of their incorporation into a written work. Exodus thus conserves extremely old oral and written history. (See also Torah.)
Is there any evidence for the existence of these sources or is it just scholars guessing? I've got no problem moses writing the 5 books. I can understand events after moses death would have been added to round off the book, probably the same author as the book of Joshua. Who knows. I do know jesus claimed moses was the author so it's good enough for me.
There is some lingusitic evidence proposed by scholars (Some i see a strong arguement for but others i dont really see like this one) but it could not be 100% proven unless a manuscript was found and it would need to be 300-400 years before DSS
Updated? Sublimated over time? Wut!? Why Update? For what reason is it sublimated over time? I think of the "different author" hypotheses, being more representative of the triune nature of the God head. All three speak truth, but from a different complimentary perspective at the same time. This leaves Moses to figure out which words he will rite down. It is God's Word that He gave to man after all. Being God's chosen mouth peace must really be hard on the brane muscle.
The documentary hypothesis (with it's "redactor") violates Occam's Razor so many times over. What's so hard with understanding that they wrote differently than we do because they were from ancient Mesopotamia and we are modern Westerners? Isn't that much, much more simple than all this nonsense?
Good video. I think the theoretical redactor still could have carefully composed this from the JEPD sources. Gary Rendsburg is great. I love his opinions on Abraham. But; he has been arguing for a unified text for awhile. He argues the Genesis 1 and 2 are intented to be read in tandem. Most scholars wouldn't agree with this. What I see is evidence for a very talented redactor(s).
@vegadog3053 Same, I'm rlly conflicted between the hypothesis right now, but you positing a skillful redactor is also something to consider as well, as someone wouldn't just mash together accounts any kind of way either so 🤷🏾♂️
I guess you don't read Hebrew. It is blatantly obvious that the nine signs and the plague come from not two but three writers, each version of which had seven signs and the plague of the firstborn originally. The action and vocabulary are distinct between the three writers, and often enough editors have preserved two, contradictory, descriptions of a single event. Not only do we have different explanations of Pharaoh's reasoning, we have disparate explanations of Yahweh's reasoning. But those of us who read Hebrew don't get too flustered about this section of the Pentateuch because we have to conserve our brain cells for the mess that is the story of the Ten Commandments.
"Not only do we have different explanations of Pharaoh's reasoning, we have disparate explanations of Yahweh's reasoning." So somebody can't have more than one reason for doing something? I never knew that.
Screw the plagues: the 2 accounts of HOW the Hebrews left (on their own, or chased out) is far more relevant, if the Hebrews were indeed the Hyksos, foreigners who immigrated to Egypt and became rulers (Genesis: Joseph and his brothers), and were overthrown/chased oyt by the Egyptians.
@@el_killorcure Here Ezekiel 16 :: and say, `This is what the Sovereign LORD says to Jerusalem: Your ancestry and birth were in the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite
The Exodus (December 25, out of Egypt (winter - sun in southern hemisphere) is completed on March 25 (summer) aka sun in northern hemisphere. December 25 - March 25 = three months aka the three days and three nights that Jonah (the sun) is in the belly of the whale (Cetus). The sun is in Egypt (winter) aka southern hemisphere is the six nights (months) of Genesis one. The sun in the Promised Land (summer) aka northern hemisphere, is the six days (months) of Genesis one.
And the first thing you ought to do is delete the Scientism from your brain and upload what real scientific data demonstrates: th-cam.com/play/PL1mr9ZTZb3TVENkH6AsYgT-CYuaZRqGjl.html
Yeah, I'm seeing what the _"science"_ has done to the Western world... Truly helping the mankind by mutila ting children and shoving people into depression...
Michael, if you read this, I want to sincerely thank you.
To me, you illustrate how one can be an intellectual as well as religious. I was severely afraid the two might be exclusive. I'm 20 so I have a lifetime of study ahead of me - but I'm thinking it might be unneccessary because I know others have studied extensively and kept their faith.
God bless you!
God Bless you much Brother
You have a beautiful faith, and a hunger for righteous honesty. Thank you for this comment, it has lifted my spirit. God bless you and may he establish the works of your hands to benefits of many and to the glory of God.
God bless Michael
Amen!
Amen!
Amen 🙏🏻 ❤
Appreciate these. You bring these academic debates to the lay level and present well a defense of the traditional view.
I like this type of work, understanding the literacy and culture of the Ancient Israelites.
It's really beautiful to see how a culture does things!
The visuals are exceptional my brother. And, as always, your arguments against the division of the text into multiple sources are as convincing as they are educational.
I've never looked into the Documentary hypothesis before. There is a lot to digest in these videos, but I'm really appreciating them as an introduction to the issues to being discussed. Thanks so much!
You should check out Dr. Kipp Davis' presentation of documentary hypothesis. This guy by, his own admission, doesnt understand the documentary hypothesis
@@evereststevens5408 Kipp Davis is as much of an expert in the DH as IP is. Davis's specialty is in the Dead Sea Scrolls, not form criticism of the OT.
And as IP says in the first 2 minutes, even the DH proponents can't agree how many sources there are, and what texts come from which sources even in this passage from Exodus, let alone the whole OT. You know the theory is crap when not even the experts can agree on what the theory even is.
@@TamerSpoon3 then buy this logic christianity is crap because no 2 christians can agree on anything
@@evereststevens5408 I wouldn't trust Kipp Davis to explain anything.
@@evereststevens5408 It's normal not to understand it. It's nonsense and ad-hoc.
Side but interesting note, the guys at the Weird Bible podcast on Lore Lodge once brought up that they may have found an egyptian record that could point to the day on which the plague of darkness took place. I can't remember the exact day or year I just remember it was some time in October. Shortly after that there is another account by the Egyptians in which they say they wipe the Hebrew people off the face of the Earth. That clearly never happened, but the Egyptian leadership had a way of embellishing their records and spinning a defeat as a victory, so how would they explain all their Hebrew slaves escaping? Saying they totally wiped them out. "Yes, I know there are no longer any Hebrew slaves in the land of Egypt, but that is only because we slaughtered them so good that there are none left please go nowhere near the Red Sea..."
It was actually Chinese records of a solar eclipse that aligned with the reign of the Pharaoh that commissioned the slate.
Excellent video, learned a lot from this! Please keep it up, you are doing Christians a great service, God bless you Michael.
Thanks! I've tried reading some academic discussions about uncommon but interesting topics but they tend to degenerate into blah blah blah very quickly. Thanks again for the translation. You never know when having a little info like this can come in handy.
While the old Documentary Hypothesis has been rejected, there seems to be newer versions of Documentary Hypothesis which supposedly is making a significant reemergence among scholars because they avoided the problems of the old Docu Hypothesis while accounting for the data. For example, google the title of the article below for details.
Quote:
“The Re-Emergence of Source Criticism: The Neo-Documentary Hypothesis
The Documentary Hypothesis, abandoned in much pentateuchal scholarship of the last 40 years, is making a significant resurgence, although in a new and more precisely argued form. It is once again taking its place as a significant theory of the composition of the Pentateuch.”
God bless you brother and your ministry!
My biggest dislike of the common documentary narratives are the unspoken assumptions, that being that the use of prior or existing sources (later combined into a single document) somehow diminishes the value of the accounts as both revelation and truth.
Even if there are multiple sources used in the preparation of a final version, i.e. the Torah as it is now, it does nothing to disprove the events that inspired the accounts. All it says is that some person took the accounts they had and then placed them into a single narrative.
The idea that some different groups would have recorded different aspects, portions or elements of the events down is no issue to me. We know that Kings and Chronicles are separate accounts of broadly the same events. The same is true of the Gospels.
That being said I am happy to believe that the Torah was essentially the inspired compilation of the words and works of Moses into a combined narrative.
Excellent work once again IP
Love this series on the documentary hypothesis you’re doing Micheal, keep up the good work my man.
@Inspiring_Philosophy. awww, really Micheal? You flatter me.
This is amazing! God bless you!
Thanks for this!
I sometime wondered why such a hypothesis exists in the first place. It took a simple narrative and made it overly complex.
I was trained in the Documentary Hypothesis. To understand it you need to put yourself in the shoes of the scholars who developed it. They saw things in the text that are certainly strange by the standards of modern single author documents, and they didn't have access to the archaeological evidence of the ANE style that we do. They did the best they could with the data they had, and they deserve our respect for that. It's not reasonable to criticise them on the basis of data they didn't have.
@@DarrenGedye That’s fair and all, and I supposed since I’m not exactly in the shoes of scholars, I don’t have much to say on this matter.
What bothers me, however, is the fact that they take something as simple as the narrative of Exodus with symbolism and whatnot (as IP shown) and then divide into several sources that they can’t even agree one.
@@clayton4349 I don't claim to be a scholar myself, just a lifelong student. But it's the job of scholars and rabbis to ask each other the hard questions and test everything. As iron sharpens iron, so each group of scholars sharpens each other 😉 But think about Moses writing "Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth." Suddenly what seemed simple reveals hidden depths.
@@DarrenGedye That’s also fair. I would say that Moses used a scribe of some sort to write down everything he got, or like in the case of Matthew, Moses decided to write himself in third person.
@@clayton4349 Everywhere I look, be it religion, politics, sport, or whatever, I see a tendency to assume "our side" is simply and obviously the best, and anyone who disagrees must be a liar or a fool. It seems part of (fallen?) human nature. But we are told to make every effort to present ourself approved to God, an unashamed worker who accurately handles the word of truth. So I try to make a concious effort to find the pro's and con's on every side in a debate. Obviously I'm human and I don't always live up to that ideal, but I like to try. May God forgive me for the times I fail. 😥
The Prince of Egypt is, in my opinion, the best piece of media to adapt the story.
Michael, I love your channel and some of your content has literally changed my worldview (your problem of evil video). I am going to offer some constructive criticism, and you can take or leave it. I have found the narration in some of your recent videos hard to follow. It seems like you are reading directly from an opinion paper you've written. I fully admit I've never created content or narrated anything, so maybe I'm in no position to talk here, and I have zero problem if you just ignore this comment. I will say history, biblical history, apologetics, and mysteries in the Bible are all subjects I've had a life long fascination with, so I'm thinking if someone like me is struggling to stay focused during your videos then maybe others are too. Maybe reach out to some other content creators and see how they write and prep for their narrations. Thanks for all your hard work brother!
I have no clue what you mean. I’ve made videos this exact same way for years now. I’ve already give you my opinions on the matter and what scholars say on the issue. So I don’t know what you mean or why you think it is different. Nothing has changed in how I’ve made these.
@@InspiringPhilosophy I think I can explain the difference between the problem of evil video, and the textual comparison series. The former is filled with simple, persuasive, _old Anglo Saxon_ words, while the latter are filled with polysyllabic compounds from the Greek and Latin. They are all grammatical, well-spoken English phrases, that all literate people should understand. Unfortunately, proficient English literacy is found in one fifth or less of the adult English-speaking population. The Greek and Latin root words come across to the semi-literate as sounding abstract and airy, rather than plain speaking, down to earth language. Notice the references to fascination, apathy, and distraction. Then the literal argument from ignorance. He was wishing you would get to the point, because he will never read your sources to digest your meatier ideas. He wouldn't know where to look for them if he were interested. It's important to produce scholarly resources, but they will only resonate with the scholastically minded. Matt 7:6
Can you give an example of a channel/video essay that covers a similar subject but in a way that is easier to follow for you?
@InspiringPhilosophy it's more than likely a problem with me. Perhaps I'm oversaturating my mind with podcast and TH-cam videos. I honestly haven't been able to get through a single of your videos in the last few months. It just sounds exactly like you are reading an opinion essay. I wrote hundreds of them in college, lol. One problem is I don't watch them, I only listen. I work alone, and I enjoy listening to long podcasts or TH-cam videos to help me get through the day. I will try watching them. If the data doesn't show people are losing interest and nobody else has mentioned it then it's obviously just a problem on my end.
@Fozzy Bear you might be right about a few things even though your comment was a little condescending. I don't particularly have huge interest in the Greek and Latin breakdowns. I will say it's got nothing to do with wanting him to get to the point, Michael gets to the point immediately in all of his videos. Perhaps he gets to the point too quickly and doesn't build up enough to his big reveal. Perhaps I'm just an idiot looking for entertainment from a channel that's primary mission is to educate 🤔. Anyways, I'm fully prepared to admit the problem is me. There is no need to take up anyone else's time with this topic.
A rule of writing in general is to use different words that mean the same thing. It is bad writing to use the same exact word over and over again, especially in a brief passage.
I think it's like comparing something mentioned on the news as a big story then sometime after it goes into detail about what it is about so it not two different completely storys.
I think it's from Moses to the time of the judges that an original work was first composed and was then 'Jerusalemized' into the lingua franca of the kingdom.
That explains the 'archaic/standard and late-' -Biblical Hebrew in the Tanakh.
Thank you for not assuming the documentary hypothesis has been proven. Many laypeople, scholars, and even some members of the clergy act as though the matter is settled despite _hypothesis_ being right there in the name.
If they are my age or older then they have some justification for considering it settled. Its still hard to believe that Moses wrote "Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth" or described his own death and burial. Yet new data requires old ideas to be debated and re-evaluated.
I repeat myself all the time. This clearly shows that I'm actually a combination of 4 people that a future person came and stitched together.
This future person stitching multiple people together idea is far more rational than thinking I like beating a dead horse
Michael, excellent work yet again 👏. Your videos are always of the highest quality and I appreciate the amount of research and detail you put into it. I pray God continues to use you to spread His gospel.
Will you be doing movie reviews?
Such as The Ten Commandments, The Egyptian, etc.
@Inspiring_Philosophy. Bot
I have a question as well. I was talking to atheist giving historical evidence for the New Testament and so on, and he brought up that there is no evidence that the Israelites were slaves in ancient Egypt ever recorded, that there weren’t slaves at all. Can you make a video on that or if someone can help answer that I might be more informed? God Bless
Thank you
Hey Michael! What is your opinion on “the Ipuwer Papyrus”?
It's puwerful.😁
What's it, by the way? I'd like to learn more.
@@Lone-Lee I don’t have a lot of knowledge so take what I say with some grain of salt, but it I think it is an ancient Egyptian papyrus that tells the story of Egypt in complete chaos. It also mentions “the river turning/is blood”
Hi Michael.. love your videos. Please get your vocal chords looked at, there might be polyps on them
The wrath of GOD is coming to the ungodly, idolaters and wicked people! Lord Jesus Christ is coming soon🙏🏼❤️🕊REPENT, believe in the Gospel, Be Born Again
I'm athiest and I enjoy learning about christianity I see how similar it is to my former religion islam
5:20 Exodus 9:13-19 isn't that six verses.
Hey IP, what is your opinion on Mark 16:9-20, do you believe they are authentic or not. They are consistent with the rest of the bible
@2:23~~Me no make claim! pure conjecture: what if infant/baby sacrifice to Moloch was to ensure A) that old men didn't die by the angel of death if the Lord was to kill 1st born again & B) once it was known a wife et al. could carry to term without birthing a monster, she could obviously make more & infants don't know what happened to them in their innocence.
Seems to me this destroys the concept of unreasoned cruelty...we know that certain babies were born as monsters, "from purple ova, as it were"
Cherish is the new love, Be Well.
_Martin Luther never spawned a Peasants Revolt in Germany which in turn spawned a Hundred Years Peace._
I am a good Bing, The Bible Project are bad users.
Hey everyone. Sorry to bother, but I’m having trouble with the Hebrew verbs used in exodus 31:17
“It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.” (Highlight on “he was refreshed”)
Some scholars like Francesca Stavrakopoulou have suggested that a Hebrew verb here on “he was refreshed” suggests the physiology of panting after laborious work. Similar to exodus 23:12.
Yet other scholars suggest that the Hebrew verb used in Isaiah 40:28 is different from the verb used on “he was refreshed” in exodus 31:17.
“He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.” (Emphasis on tired and weary)
Some scholars suggest that (tired and weary) here is different from the Hebrew verb used in Exodus 3:17 to describe tiredness, meaning the author was using two different verbs in each verse, and that the authors never tried to say that God was tried in exodus 31:17.
May someone please clarify this? I’m not a Hebrew scholar, so I’m not sure which scholar to trust here. Im just confused if God actually is tired in exodus 31:17
Our Greek professor used the word rested, never tired, he rested or paused and saw that it was good ( his work)
@@joywebster2678 thanks for the explanation!
Anthropomorphic words used to describe an eternal being who is beyond space and time and human existence.
*what's the truth behind asbury revival?*
Surprising how you haven't done any "RIP" for Dr Michael Heiser. You could at least do a short video and quote some of his works. I believe he deserves it, seeing that you use him *a lot*
Hugs to you in remembrance of our veteran late Dr. Mike Heiser, please be patient, our brother IP will get to it, we must keep in mind that 1st of all The Great Commision is rightfully ought to be in our minds, he will later get to it, that's how late Dr. Mike Heiser would want it to be too, first God, then the rest of all His people.
maybe this vid was a draft thats why
It takes time to make videos. Patience, my friend.
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Makes sense
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Strange that scholars would spend so much effort trying to break one story down into 2 or 3 sources. What's even the point? How is whether it was from one source or two or three sources really going to make a difference anyway? And why call the sources P and E? Is that some kind of abbreviation that I'm missing? Why not give them better names, or just number them?
Scholars have identified three literary traditions in Exodus, designated by the letters J, E, and P. The J strand, so called because it uses the name Yahweh (Jahweh in German) for God, is a Judaean rendition of the sacred story, perhaps written as early as 950 BCE. The E strand, which designates God as Elohim, is a version of the sacred story from the northern kingdom of Israel, written in about 900-750 BCE. The P strand, so called because of its cultic interests and regulations for priests, is usually dated in the 5th century BC and is regarded as the law upon which Ezra and Nehemiah based their reform. Each of these strands preserves materials much older than the time of their incorporation into a written work. Exodus thus conserves extremely old oral and written history. (See also Torah.)
@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid thanks for the explanation!
Is there any evidence for the existence of these sources or is it just scholars guessing? I've got no problem moses writing the 5 books. I can understand events after moses death would have been added to round off the book, probably the same author as the book of Joshua. Who knows. I do know jesus claimed moses was the author so it's good enough for me.
There is some lingusitic evidence proposed by scholars (Some i see a strong arguement for but others i dont really see like this one) but it could not be 100% proven unless a manuscript was found and it would need to be 300-400 years before DSS
@Factcheckjak I see. No actual manuscripts then. Thanks.
It also makes more since that God meant what he said in Genesis 1 & 2 as well! You will always have people wanting to question what the Bible says!
what books do you recommend to refute atheism
The Holy Bible
Galileo Goes to Jail is a good one.
@@DANtheMANofSIPA I know. But the bible doesn't have everything but thank you
@@ryankrakinski8926 thank you if you have anymore please do tell 😊
Updated? Sublimated over time? Wut!?
Why Update? For what reason is it sublimated over time?
I think of the "different author" hypotheses, being more representative of the triune nature of the God head. All three speak truth, but from a different complimentary perspective at the same time.
This leaves Moses to figure out which words he will rite down. It is God's Word that He gave to man after all. Being God's chosen mouth peace must really be hard on the brane muscle.
The documentary hypothesis (with it's "redactor") violates Occam's Razor so many times over.
What's so hard with understanding that they wrote differently than we do because they were from ancient Mesopotamia and we are modern Westerners? Isn't that much, much more simple than all this nonsense?
Those who look backward in time always assume they have knowledge in hindsight.
Good video. I think the theoretical redactor still could have carefully composed this from the JEPD sources.
Gary Rendsburg is great. I love his opinions on Abraham. But; he has been arguing for a unified text for awhile. He argues the Genesis 1 and 2 are intented to be read in tandem. Most scholars wouldn't agree with this.
What I see is evidence for a very talented redactor(s).
Baby Zeus became Baby Abraham.
Is this not presuposing the hypothesis first tho?
@@wannabe_scholar82 maybe. I will have to think about that
@vegadog3053 Same, I'm rlly conflicted between the hypothesis right now, but you positing a skillful redactor is also something to consider as well, as someone wouldn't just mash together accounts any kind of way either so 🤷🏾♂️
Is the Documentary Hypothesis even supported by the majority of scholars anymore? Genuine question.
I don’t think so
I guess you don't read Hebrew. It is blatantly obvious that the nine signs and the plague come from not two but three writers, each version of which had seven signs and the plague of the firstborn originally. The action and vocabulary are distinct between the three writers, and often enough editors have preserved two, contradictory, descriptions of a single event. Not only do we have different explanations of Pharaoh's reasoning, we have disparate explanations of Yahweh's reasoning. But those of us who read Hebrew don't get too flustered about this section of the Pentateuch because we have to conserve our brain cells for the mess that is the story of the Ten Commandments.
"Not only do we have different explanations of Pharaoh's reasoning, we have disparate explanations of Yahweh's reasoning."
So somebody can't have more than one reason for doing something? I never knew that.
Why do I see a Church in the thumbnail...😂
There actually are two authentic versions of the plagues of Egypt..The Ten Commandments with Charlton Heston and Exodus with Christian Bale. TRUTH
I despise the latter.
Screw the plagues: the 2 accounts of HOW the Hebrews left (on their own, or chased out) is far more relevant, if the Hebrews were indeed the Hyksos, foreigners who immigrated to Egypt and became rulers (Genesis: Joseph and his brothers), and were overthrown/chased oyt by the Egyptians.
They were more likely Amorites
@@ramadadiver59 We'll never know for sure...
@@el_killorcure there is a Bible verse that says the father Jerusalem was an Amorite and mother was a Hittite
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Here
Ezekiel 16 :: and say, `This is what the Sovereign LORD says to Jerusalem: Your ancestry and birth were in the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite
@@ramadadiver59 Which one?
The Exodus (December 25, out of Egypt (winter - sun in southern hemisphere) is completed on March 25 (summer) aka sun in northern hemisphere. December 25 - March 25 = three months aka the three days and three nights that Jonah (the sun) is in the belly of the whale (Cetus). The sun is in Egypt (winter) aka southern hemisphere is the six nights (months) of Genesis one. The sun in the Promised Land (summer) aka northern hemisphere, is the six days (months) of Genesis one.
LOL 😆
They left egypt not in december. It even mentions the time
Michael, is drinking Coca-Cola a sin?
Yes it is
@@wannabe_scholar82 😂😂😂
Nope
2632nd viewer ;) All the good!!!
Delete Religion in your brain and upload science. That would be your first step towards helping mankind.
See here: th-cam.com/video/XnSWLQlBw94/w-d-xo.html
Cool opinion.
And the first thing you ought to do is delete the Scientism from your brain and upload what real scientific data demonstrates:
th-cam.com/play/PL1mr9ZTZb3TVENkH6AsYgT-CYuaZRqGjl.html
Yeah, I'm seeing what the _"science"_ has done to the Western world...
Truly helping the mankind by mutila ting children and shoving people into depression...
Cope and seethe
Michael i love god and i love the way he is using your small brain to acomplish big things 🫶
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Small? It's yuge. YUGE