Put me in the helped column. As a child, I was often beaten by my father to unconsciousness, told I was worthless, that I could never do anything right, everything that went wrong, anywhere, whether I was involved or not, was my fault, and of course I grew up believing that. I entered adulthood afraid of people, especially men, I had no confidence, when people would define me I would change me to meet their definition, I had no "me" left, spent most of my time hiding. In my mid-thirties, the mid-'70s, I must have found the perfect psychiatrist for me, because after three years, I realized that I had been treated unfairly, that I was not only ok, I was actually pretty darn good, and no one else is allowed to define me! It's been a good life since.
Yours sounds pretty straight forward not to minimize your struggles, but to know you shouldnt be abused as a child and were treated unfairly doesnt require a therapist. What if you are more bothered by the nature of existence as a whole?
True, not only that but, they empty your wallet without you even reaching enlightenment after 2 years. You can get better results from a monk, he can guide you for free for 2 years or just pay him in a little food lol. Literally had friends that would talk about oh god i need a therapist & i would be sitting there like hello modern day monk over here, stress free, no attachment to emotions or material things, always happy. If you can't find a monk a Buddhism book would help you & you just follow a similar life style of turning suffering into happiness.
Funny thing is from my experience its just a regurgitation of previous or common sense advice. Additionally, a study found that the lack of advice for the major natural antidepressant of exercise on individuals facing depression and bi polar disorder was not included in their mental health plan. After having patients follow this healthy activity their mood significantly increased. Therapy from my experience has also been expensive and requires consistent appointments which can be used for other more long term health appointments in other aspects such as a gym membership, dermatologist, or dentist.
I used to have an irrational love for taking showers, it was interfering with my life. My therapist had me watch the shower scene from Alfred Hitchcock's horror classic "Psycho." That was some good Psycho-Therapy.
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I had the opposite growing up, and it's still something I'm getting over. As soon as I was deemed old enough to shower on my own, I would 'fake' showers (turn the water on and don't get in). I would go a week without showering. I hated the feeling of my hair being wet, the humidity, etc.
I think phycotherapy is as helpful as the psychologist who is treating. I myself had a lot of problems with some psychologists that just lumped me with what helped fix everyone. The amount of times I was told to listen to music despite me telling them I associated music with sitting on a train for 6 hours a day crying about my father's death was rediculious. And I'm so tired of being told to meditate when doing so literally brings out the darkest of my thoughts. Another struggle I faced with my treatment was that I only receive 10 free sessions a year (super lucky compared to a lot of places) but it isn't enough for treating a depression that's lasted for years. But I found a psychologist who was on my level. He understood what I understood about myself and didn't lump me into that cure all. He helped a lot through my final year of university. Sadly once I finished he felt it was time to get a little more confronting and I haven't been back since. Half of me has convinced myself that I'm doing alright, even though I know I probably shouldn't have stopped... I don't know why I'm sharing this. I guess just remember everyone is different. Listen. Be open, be honest.
I was surprised to hear some people dislike it. I H.A.T.E. therapy and have just thrown away thousands of dollars and hours and gotten zero help. I'm glad to know I'm not alone because everyone seems to always say how much they like it and/or shock when I say I don't.
The thing is, that an isolated case or two is not representative of the entire potential of psychotherapy science. It is entirely possible to get a terrible therapist, just like sometimes we get a lazy and non communicative doctor who is more keen in getting this over with. It is paramount you match and feel good with your therapist. Leave them if you dont work well with them. Don't allow them to pollute the potential of such advanced field.
After multiple hospitalizations I realized they didn't know how to treat real mental illneses. They actually prefer alcoholics and junkies over mentally ill people because they can get the drunk to stop drinking, or the junkie to stop using but they can't get the person who is suicidal to stop being suicidal or get the schizophrenic to stop acting weird and seeing things. The only thing they can do right is give out meds to take the edge off but anything beyond that is non exsistent. So nothing is or can be worked out or resolved.
I completely agree with you. People that are at the brink of destruction often go to therapists as a last resort, because they don't know what to do anymore. But instead of trying to help, what they're theoretically supposed to do, they just gaslight you, invalidade you and add more fuel to the fire for the sake of their own amusement. You end up seriously regretting your visit. And if you where to follow the stupid advice of some geniuses here and simply search for another therapist, the new one will be the same and completely defend every wrong thing the previous therapist did, and blame you instead, as if they actually were there to be able to judge the situation. They all have a weird superiority complex and think they have some sort of moral authority, where every bit of critizism against them is a huge scandal and the person doing it needs to be punished for it.
Absolutely. It is a scam and the part I've said before about them gaslighting and invalidating the patient is the key element in order to make it work. Because if they were honest, most of the time they would have to say that the way the patient is feeling right now, is simply the logical consequence of the negative situation the patient finds himself in. But by doing so, they would also indirectly admit that they can't really do anything to help, since they can neither affect the patients current circumstances in life, nor the events that happened earlier, which led to the problematic situation of the present. That way they would make little to no money. However, if they instead tell the patient that his situation is not all that bad, that others have it worse and that he only feels so bad, because he is "sick" in the brain, they then can proceed to their "one-size-fits-all" solution of " just STFU and take anti-depressants!".
yes, Psychotherapy is a swindle. It's actually obvious when you read the literature. It's not evidence based. if I have carpal tunnel problems, yes, different practices and different schools to deal with it, exist. But they are elaborated from reality to practice, not the other way. That's mostly the problem. psychoanalysis is just a cult, it works if you believe it. That means it have the same effect as a placebo, or the neuroses themselves, because we develop neuroses to avoid pain as we develop baseless believes.
I'm in therapy for substance abuse. I think therapy works if the patient wants to get better and is dedicated to their treatment. You have to work your program. It's not magic.
Exactly. Lots of people think a therapist is going to just magically make their problems go away, when in fact, it's better to see them as a trainer: they can tell you what to do, but you're not going to get better unless you actually do it. With the added complication ofc that this trainer first has to find out which sport you could like. :P
therabbithat I don't think it matters so much 'what' you know. The most effective counselors I've ever seen have been open-minded, good listeners who don't make me feel judged for the obviously poor choices I've made in my life. As long as you truly care about your clients, see them as people rather than just junkies, you'll be a great counselor. All the rest you'll learn in school. Good luck! 💙
Here watching in my first week of my Master's program in Clinical Mental Health Counseling! Was so excited to see Hank pop up in my class assignment list - my teacher is onto something!
I agree that therapy can be helpful for some people, and not others. An old friend of mine who had chronic major depression and SAD and had intermittent hospitalizations benefited from a combo of medications and ongoing psychotherapy, including DBT and talk therapy. Meanwhile, the therapy I'm receiving is not effective because it is not fighting a solely biological or psychological issue (in my case, PTSD), but also very real physical circumstances that need practicable solutions, and no amount of mindfulness training helps with ongoing current trauma, chronic illness, poverty and the lack of ability and resources that come from limited means and choices. My friend was lucky enough to have a condition that was improved by managing her ruminative thoughts, and by having a loving family to help her financially so she could take time off of work, pay for her hospitalizations, and emotionally support her as she worked on herself, but not everyone has that situation. I appreciate the role therapy plays in improving quality of life, to the point where I considered studying psychology when I was younger. Now that I'm older, I still value its impact and understand its use, but also know firsthand that there are other things it cannot help with, and it is not a cure-all for every problem a person has. I think considering how to provide services and resources for people is just as important and could go a long way in preventing people from getting to the point where their psychological and emotional health is compromised.
I should hope so since that's what I'm in right now. I first tried it and didn't like it last year. Before it tore me down and it was a waste of time and money for me. My new therapist is much better and has me doing assignments outside our meetings. I can feel comfortable in my own skin and I see I've gained some confidence. I still have trouble with my anxiety, quite a lot actually. But she talks to me like anybody else would and I feel normal around her.
As a counselor, I really appreciate this. It’s real, and it covers so much of the issues and strengths about our field. I especially like how real the end but was about case by case basises with clients, the individual factors are so important.
I have had cognitive behavioral therapy since I was nine, and it helps me so much. I have also started dialectal behavioral therapy which also helps. Though I must say that it helps if your therapist doesn't intimidat you and that you trust them.
I had/have panic disorder. Medication alone didn't help, Psychotherapy alone didn't help, but the combination of the two helped me a lot and I'd say I'm 95% better now.
It can be. It's very text book orientated and people can be more unique than that - we don't all function within the 'norm'. Best to take practical self realised self learned advice, apply your own strategies and use the bits of psychotherapy that actually work for you. That's what I found. E.g break targets and aims into smaller achievable short term steps, to help with a bigger picture...develop strategies and find which ones work and which one don't.
Talk therapy is utterly useless if you as the client aren't able to aknowledge your problems and look your inner demons in the eyes. Same works for therapists; if you don't take your client seriously and only try to convince them of your specific worldview instead of working through evidence AND experience, then you suck at your job.
danielle111115 this! My program has a huge emphasis on being neutral and actually asking ourself if there is a bias or something that would harm treatment and the patient/client
True, talking can't. But conversing, learning and connecting can. Some get to understand themselves better through talking with someone else about their behaviour. Selfreflection creates selfawareness and that in turn creates the possibility to change. You can only change what you are aware of after all.
Oh yeah! I'd like to be a counsellor and i've been reading a lot of books written by psychotherapists and narrow-minded world views abound. They think they are preachers or shaman, they are supposed to listen and give support! I wonder will I come out of the other side of a counselling and psychotherapy BSc with some kind of zealotry
I remember trying to get therapy for my social anxiety and it never goes well, at all. Just getting an appointment is difficult, but when I did finally get an appointment I did the stupid thing and told her that I was using medical cannabis for pain. I have neck problem and sometimes I get really bad migraines when I'm having a bad day and it really helps. (Let me make this clear, my social problems started when I was a child, long before I ever smoked, so no, it's not the reason I have social anxiety) HOWEVER the lady I was talking to didn't really care that I was getting pain relief, instead she just kept saying "I see you smoke marijuana." and "have you thought about not smoking marijuana?" to which I thought "WTF lady, your suppose to be a professional, call it by it's real name!". So instead of talking about anything related to my social problems she just kept on talking about how I should probably stop smoking and even mentioned "intervention" to which I just glared at her. So long story short, I didn't get any help from that b***, she only manged to make me feel WORSE and turned me off from EVER seeing a therapist ever again. After talking with her I just felt stressed out and like I was being judged terribly.
Laura E.T. Don't judge all therapy by one experience. I have intense social anxiety and I started CBT about a year ago, and recently started SSRIs as well. I've gone from being nauseous and panicked at the thought of calling certain people to talking to them on a regular basis. It really can help.
I think she maybe used marijuana to sound less jargony and more real. And I think she might have thought cannabis might be stopping you from sitting in/realizing/dealing with your emotions and ideas, which may block therapy. But a good therapist should be able to read the patient, give explanations/background to his or her suggestions, be clearly nonjudgemental which I perhaps she was not, realize what the patient is giving adverse reactions to, stop doing that and change tactics. I believe that effective therapy is not possible when a good relationship and fit between client and patient is not formed. I think there are many different therapists with many degrees of expertise and approaches. It may be worth searching around for. However if you feel this is too tiresome than perhaps you may not have enough energy to fully participate in therapy just now, in which case it may be better to wait until you feel more motivated. The fact that you once seeked and went to therapy suggests you have willingness to improve your conditions, which is great. My best tip as a not-yet-professional is try to do what you enjoy/think would enjoy starting from small doses. Maybe doing an activity you think you might enjoy but requires social participation once a week for an hour and go from there.
I totally get you. I lost my father as a child and after a short amount of time, at least I remember it as very short, she ended up concluding that "my grades were good, so I should be fine and have no further need for her" I have quite a few friends with different disorders, who have benifitted from psychotherapy, yet, every time I think I'm going to try for myself, I end up remembering that woman and I never make the phone call...
So far, phychotherapy has worked for me. Figuring out what happened on a stressful situation has helped me to notice when it's happening again and it has given me the tools to change the outcome. Understanding my thought process has helped me to explain myself better to people. Talking about whatever is bothering me with someone who's first response is not "well, it's simple. All you have to do is..." calms me down enough to be able to find solutions that could actually work. I know it doesn't work for everyone. But even if it's just a placebo, that placebo gives hope and time. I would've given up long time ago if it weren't for it.
Therapy is very much a mixed bag. I've only had one good therapist, and then I moved over 3 hours away and couldn't see her anymore. I've seen several therapists, and finding a good one is very hard but well worth it. Or at least it was for me. I'm trying to find one that I really like, and it's definitely a process. While talking to friends and family can be a relief, they can mostly just offer support since many of them are struggling with mental illness and/or trauma as well, or they have extremely limited understanding of either. The latter are usually the ones who say I don't need therapy, but I find it very relieving to open up to a non-biased, experienced professional who is, in all except life- and safety-threatening cases, legally sworn to secrecy.
Part of the problem with psychotherapy effectiveness is that sometimes, therapists just aren't good at their jobs. Yet, it can be hard for a patient to tell at first, or to think that any issues they're having must be them. It's just like any health professional - we all have stories about the bad ones. It's a serious relief when you find a good doctor. I've learned that the advice of "If it's not working, find someone else" is the best advice to take. It doesn't ever matter why it's not working. If it's not, it just isn't, no matter the reasons. It's always okay to keep looking.
@@khansazainab7490 Deffinitely that. While in the upper classes you can still find abusive therapists, it's way easier to find therapists ranging in 50-200$ per visit (or those from public health care, they will just do anything to kick you out...). If you don't earn enough to afford upper class therapists, and be able to check out 10 of them 6 test sessions each, you're better off trying to help yorself on your own. Scammers can only make things worse.
In the US, it has become "standard coincidence" that a psychotherapist will declare a patient as "cured" just slightly before all forms of health insurance and family savings run out. ;)
Captain Planet For that matter, most of psychotherapy is anecdotal there Sybil. lol ! And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar ... unless of course you "did not have sex with that woman!" ahahaha!
Not just in the US, here in Poland the cheapest therapist will take 100 zł (about $25, while minimum monthly wage here is 1200zł - $300), and they will suck you dry without giving ANY solution, no cure, nothing. Bonus points for them if you are introvert and won't question those practices.
@Darth Nihilus Mostly because society blew out of proportions what therapy is supposed to be for. Got depression? Man, you need a therapy! Plus it's cost-sink fallacy. The more money you spend on something, the more involved you are, because you don't want that money to go for waste. It's painful to actually drop it, but it's the only way to actually win - realize that you are the only one who can help yourself.
For me, I've had anxiety and depression for 13 years and chronic pain in all of my joints and muslces for five years. CBT and talk therapy have helped me throughout my life. I have had some terrible counselors, but I have also had a few amazing counselors. If you don't feel like you're getting the help you need, then find a new counselor if you can. Right now i have an amazing counseler. I think the best counselor are the ones that let you talk and then you discover things about yourself. Some people may do better with other therapies or a few of them. I'm in one on one counseling and group counseling.Not everything works for everyone and that's okay. It may not be easy, but keep trying to find something that works for you.
WOW this is a TOUGH topic. I was reluctant to even watch this video. You guys did a fantastic job covering the complication of this this question. This is _exactly_ why I am happy to fund you through patreon. It is indeed sad when people don't benefit from talk therapy. And the reasons why are again, so complicated.
I'm studying to become a psychologist, and the amount of bad rep and misconception people have towards mental health professionals is staggering. I'm glad SciShow Psych exists, even if it means sometimes you discredit some practices.
spo okey I've been through school for psychology, at the B.Sci level, and even have some clinical experience. There's a broad range of negative ideas spread by all sorts of groups, that are incredibly toxic, that have been embraced by swaths of the population. Such as: real men wouldn't be caught dead in a shrinks office; psychologists are just a bunch of quacks who don't really know anything; it's a mass brainwashing conspiracy (by liberals, the illuminati, homosexuals, take your pick); it's a plot by big pharma to addict people to drugs; only "crazy" people go to head doctors; seeing a therapist makes you weak. I could go on all day. And those are just a few of the big ones.
oh, i heard about those in the past but i thought these days people are more realistic about the need of psychotherapists. can't deny that there are more and more known people spreading awareness about mental health and self-care and i would say the youth acknowledges and has nothing against psychotherapy. older geneartions might still struggle, sure, but as their kids start to talk about it more openly, they try to change their views as well. i remember when i told my mum how i felt mentally and asked if i could see a therapist. it took some time for her to see it as something natural, i think at first she felt slightly insulted as if she failed at parenting. but i did eventually see a therapist and she seems completely at ease with the idea. my aunt getting some similar help might have helped as well. overall, i think it is changing and soon the misconceptions will be forgotten
Unfortunately, I know way too many people who are young and think that way just because their parents do. It's better than it used to be, but it's still enough of a problem to prevent a significant % of even the younger population to go.
I kinda acknowledge shrinks only for people who have some sort of diagnosis. I have problems in life like everyone else does, but I don't believe talking about my problems would help me because it won't solve those problems (financial issues, health issues, overworked). besides, I have friends to talk with about things bothering me... and we don't charge each other.
In my experience and the experience of my friends and family psychotherapy helps. But the effictivness strongly depends on the therapist and if it is in a hospital or not. Therapy in psychiatries (at least in Germany) is often just a measure to get a diagnosis, because they don‘t have enough therapists because the training is really long and exclusive. But if done well, therapy can really help.
That's indeed important. The first one I had been to was so disagreeable that I even thought that purchasing a bag of cookies and thinking about my problems alone while eating would had been far more effective, and cheaper. I can't say I found one whom I liked, but the other ones I went were so better that I even went more than thrice to them.
My family wanted me to go to a psychologist, becouse of depression. Basically just sat there and didn't know what to talk about. She said, it was alright to be silent. It went like this every time. I know the underlying message, is that no one can help me if i don't help myself. I was well aware of that before starting there. Depression is the lack of wanting anything. It was just pointless.
What if psychotherapy just works on depression by having the person come out of their home to interact and talk with another human being? Not to mention if they can actually talk about the things that are bothering them instead of being blocked by fear of judgement? That's not even placebo - it just is a thing people need to be human.
Anxiety disorders are the most trivial to treat conditions. Usually the anxiety is completely irrational and the affected person is actually already aware of that. Not to mention that anxiety disorders respond greatly to simplest behaviorist re-conditioning processes. They are banal and not complex or difficult to treat at all.
This is fair. Please do more. I struggle with severe Rapid Bipolar 1 and struggle with the drug treatments, and CBT is not even a consideration amongst my doctors. I request ECT, but am rejected so far.
I had therapists that didnt work for me and then I had therapists that could talk to me the way I needed and it worked great. I made a lot of progress last year
So much has to align right in order for this type of relationship to work. It's a bit of a gamble and an expensive one at that. At the end of the day, though, the goal of the therapist should be to teach you not to need a therapist but so many therapists seem too interested in getting you booked for the next session. Some therapists probably thrive on the codependent nature of the process. From my experience meditation, exercise and a copious amount of reading have been essential to my improved mental health journey. Getting out of your head and taking action are also essential.
So far, I haven't had a single positive experience with therapy. I think some people might improve with therapy (mostly those who need to express some dark feelings) but those who need help and don't have trouble expressing their feelings are only going to receive paid gaslighting.
This morning I was thinking about the curriculum for a psychology degree. No neurobiology requirement, no nutrition requirement. Therapy might have helped me if any of my therapists had helped me understand that the depression and anxiety were my brain trying to survive following an adverse event that threatened my safety and security. Especially given that we exist in an environment that brains have not evolved to handle. Instead I was told that my brain is broken, it’s my family’s fault, and none of the awful things people did to me over the years mattered. Oh well, beer is is expensive and more fun. I finally learned not to care about longevity.
I will refer you to a mycologist that will serve as a guide in your fight against depression and anxiety,he will also hook you up with the drugs that are needed.
Quick, i need to make a Therapist/Psychologist joke. How many therapists does it take to change a light bulb? None, the bulb will change itself when it is ready :)))
I’ve been searching for a true therapist for years. I lose time, forget major events like having been somewhere or met someone, get confused easily, have hypersomnia, etc. Instead, I keep finding counselors. It seems that counselors spend the majority of the session either as a cheerleader or confidant - neither of which is helpful at all. I’ve had many different diagnoses, from brain damage to dementia to depression to needing to be more social, to Narcolepsy, to being lonely, to being told that there is nothing wrong with me at all. I have yet to find a professional who is willing and able to review all of the data and figure out what is actually wrong, and then help me. So, I don’t have much faith in this whole area of medicine.
Tina Flintstone Talk therapy definitely isn't the appropriate treatment for that set of symptoms. How many neurologists have you seen? I'd want them to rule everything out, before trying psychiatrists (not psychologists or psychotherapists or psychoanalysts). I hope you have the money and energy to keep looking.
My sister went to therapy for years and it made her feel better by convincing her that nothing she did was her fault and that she didn't have to accept responsibility for any of her actions. Grat job, therapy!
Yes it’s also how it worked. Us westerners are a collapsing reality, we are decaying because we are weak and incapable of embracing the hardness of reality
It's effective... when done by the right person. You can't learn how to be a good shrink just by studying. the degree doesn't make the shrink. Some things can only be learned through living, Like empathy, which is the most important thing for a shrink to have, even if s/he doesn't show it.
You should let your thoughts out and feels out but if talk to another person worsens you try writing/drawing them down Instead. It can have similar effects without the down cost of first opening up to a real person.
I used to have a psycho-therapist, but it's alright, she's getting help now. But really, all the talk therapy wasn't helpful at the time, but I still think back to some of those talks 15-20 years years later because they were really informative to my feelings.
I have been suffering from depression for most of my life. I have lost count of therapists. Maybe 15 or 20. Different approaches, methods, lots of promises. None helped.
From what I read in grad school short answer is yes to at least modest significant degree for most people but it also depends on the fit between patient and clinician’s personality (or rapport) and school of thought.
That was very well presented and research, wow. I love the layers and layers of factors that actually go into a well researched topic. Most people have no idea when it comes to statistics there are more factors than we can even comprehend that gave the specific outcome, nothing is just black and white.
This is not at all scientific of a comment, completely subjective as it is personal, but I my experience, it strongly depends on the therapist, their personality, and how well you can connect with them. With my first two therapists, I couldn't really open up much based on how I was at the time, but, mostly, how I connected with them. But with my most recent therapist, i was able to open up much more just based on personality, and it helped a lot with my struggle with depression.
Around four times in a row, I never could complete any processes with my therapists. They often would end up getting pregnant and taking leave, and I'd never make a new appointment or get a call from them when they returned :/
My assumption is that "Psychotherapy" works when someone has recognized a problem and needs someone to listen to them and provide external feedback to address the issue. I'm dubious that the "psycho" aspect of it has all that much to do with the success or failure.
True, you basically pay someone to listen to your thoughts and worries. The whole pseudoscientific terminology is just a ruse, the benefit is in the human interaction, not the methodology.
A somewhat mundane and simple theory of how therapy cab be effective is that of Sandor Grau, MD where two core processes are recognized: 1) by verbalizing half known aspects of one's thoughts and desires they become more fully known, and 2) we have inherently conflicting, irreconsilable desires and goals, the verbal recognition of which helps cope. This would be the Ambavalence Based Psychotherapy.
CBT saved my life, but it's not easy. It can be pretty intense to get in touch with some of those nasty emotions that you keep stored away in order to safeguard your peace of mind. It takes a lot of determination and courage for a patient to let their therapist help them navigate through them and deal with them.
This is exactly why therapists should encourage their patients to ask for a referral to another therapist if they're just not right fot the patient. If the patient doesn't feel comfortable and able to talk to their therapist, their treatment won't be effective and they will probably drop out. It is simply better to try another therapist than it is stopping therapy completely.
Therapy is too damn expensive in the United States. Most don't accept state medical insurance in WA, but charge like $200 an hour. Makes me wonder, are they trying to heal people, or get rich? And if the latter, why didn't they become a regular doctor?
It's €50 an hour in Ireland, but student counsellors charge €15 or are free, and if you get a referral from your GP you can have six sessions for free, but there is a waiting list for that. I didn't know it was so expensive in the US. It's a wonder anyone can afford it. I assume that is with a psychiatrist (medical doctor specialising in mental health) ? Are counsellors not considerably cheaper?
@Darth Nihilus Have you ever rented commercial space? It's expensive. So is the 6-8 years it takes to become a therapist. So is the fact that therapists don't get paid for every hour they work. In fact, a quick look says a typical therapist has 20-25 billable hours in a typical work week. That means $4000-5000/week income. That's $200-250k/year in revenue. Take out taxes. Take out insurance, and benefits, lease, etc. Median therapist salary in the USA is $70-80k, which is perfectly reasonable. Now if only you could have scraped together enough to afford enough education to not be a blustering imbecile.
The fact that people are so nonchalant about therapy possibly making symptoms worse "before they get better" is so obnoxious. Are there similar results from medications? "Oh, don't worry about your heart palpitations or blood pressure results getting worse *for now*... Just give it more time!" I think this is the most significant evidence towards proving that therapy is not what it could be in this day and age. I'd wager that given 100-200 years from now, many of the techniques used will be proven to be complete pseudo-science and even seen as practically torture. Well-meaning, but the profession, and even the research at this point is broken.
I've found therapy quite helpful. I find I was most successful if I started by venting about the problem, which in itself can help you feel a bit better, working with the therapist to come up with ideas, or if I was completely lost, listening with an open mind, and was ready and eager to change my habits to reach a solution to the problem. I failed to achieve meaningful changes when I was unwilling to alter my habits, or quit the therapy too soon.
From my and My son’s experience psychotherapies don’t work. My son was in therapy most of his life (at least 15 yrs) and i had been on and off most my life. It sucks and I feel like I didn’t benefit from it. My son has decided to take a break from therapy. I have agoraphobia and major depressive disorder and my son has schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, and ADHD. His father and I worked really hard with the therapists my sons whole life. Non of it worked. We just focus on medication with the psychiatrist now. He’s been on meds most of his life and been hospitalized in psychiatric care 18 times.
Psychotherapy works....to a degree....personally, I’ve kept those “coping mechanisms” and I still use them however it depends on who you have as a therapist because all of them were terrible, didn’t help, they harassed me and they broke my confidentiality agreement even though I wasn’t a risk to myself or others. It got to the point where I would lie and say I’m fine just so they can dismiss me
Hayley Dell-Clooney Ya, I've had mixed results with therapy. For my mood disorder it helped, not as much as medication, but it helped. For my chronic pain? Nah, it all came off as condescending and demeaning.
I've been in therapy for a while (fun problems) I've found it's incredibly helpful to couple the therapy with actually learning about psychology. Taking the Crash course on it, reading books from different thinkers who influenced psychology, things like that. The more self knowledge you have the better you can communicate what's going on with you and I think I better understand what my therapist is trying to help me with.
I've been seeing a psychiatrist and a psychologist for months now myself, and I very frequenlty have thoughts that what they do doesn't help at all. I have an appointment today and I'm tempted to just not go.
You forgot to add the single most important factor in whether or not therapy will work for you: rapport between therapist and client. When I was in college, it was repeatedly drilled into our heads that that one factor alone predicts 85% of whether or not therapy will be effective.
A shame that no rapport ever worked for me, my grandma, my aunt, three of my friends, and hundreths if not more of the people abused during therapies without even them knowing.
@@diegocastaneda4325 Are you asking if therapists or clients talk out of their ass? If it's therapists, the job of a therapist in CBT and DBT is not to do the talking. It's to help people empower themselves. If it's clients, then if you feel the need to lie to your therapist you need a therapist you can actually open up to.
Kinda sounds like friendship - rapport is what makes it and it can significantly improve your life. But in therapy you pay for it. Where's the content/science bit, though? If I go to a doctor or a lawyer the cooperation is smoother if I have a good rapport with this person but it does not account for 85% of a successful outcome. I'm not cynical, I used to be into psychology, I'm very liberal but when I actually went to get help from "professionals" it backfired big time. Because what they were saying was simply unfit for my situation and sometimes harmful - I can say that with conviction now as opposed to doubting myself as before because the paradigm changed and I heavily doubt I would have the same experience if I tried to get help now. (As the awareness of narcissistic abuse has spread.) Nevertheless, my experience is still invalidated.
In my experience, it's the therapist helping you through it, not the therapy itself. This being said, me and only me, is a very small focus group with no control, lol
Psychotherapy works 100% and can work in any kind off people.The definition off psychoy therapy is huge, there are many differents theories that all have plenty off quantitative and qualitative data. The thing is: psychoanalysis for example take a really long time to get effect , and the point that many people quit before the recommended time can lead to a wrong view about psychotherapy efficacy.
Psychotherapy didn't work for me, personally. 1/3 therapists helped, but the other two, good lord. I was a child then and the sessions were basically just "Stop being selfish everything is wrong with you it's your fault". WELP. THAT HELPED. They threw drugs at me too when insulting me proved to be a useless course of action. The result? Behavioural problems continued, and I felt nauseous all the time from the medication. I quit all therapy, medicinal and psycho, when I was around 14. I also was lucky enough to be able to attend a school at that time where teachers worked with the students instead of bullying them (like teachers at my previous school did). Not being told I'm trash all the time mysteriously improved my behaviour, how surprising! I was able to self-reflect on my own without having to go on the defensive against antagonistic therapists and teachers, and resolved my issues myself.
@@ezelanne Heh, yeah, no kidding. Where I lived at that time, resources for therapy were lacking. One of the bad ones I got was an adult therapist, so maybe she didn't know how to handle a child. (Edit for clarity: A therapist, who was an adult, and trained to work with adults rather than with kids.) Still, it should be common sense not to victim blame the kid though, yeesh. I still encourage people who have no luck improving on their own to seek therapy, but I'm incredibly dubious of medication to this day. In my opinion, the therapist should at least TRY a self-reflective and behavioural change approach before they go throwing drugs at people. You have no reason to go to therapy if all it took was a magic pill. Or... several, over and over, trying to force a change without teaching the patient how to change through their own will.
Matching patients with the right therapist is best for individual results I would think. There is no one-size-fits-all approach to life. So a scientific study is counter productive. Emotions aren’t really scientific. They’re completely subjective. But when therapists use the “ends justify the means” approach and become manipulative that’s extremely unhelpful and creates unnecessary uncertainty and distrust. Most psychologist seem to be that way because they try to use a rigid school book approach to deal with a real live human being.
My main question is the pure purpose of psychotherapy. Is to treat? To cure? To augment the benefits of a healthy support system? To help a person tap into the ability they already have to cope? To educate? To give a safe space to express? Can we get the same benefits from a being connected to a loving community? Seems ambiguous.
The main take away for me is this isn’t a meritocracy, in fact it’s an anti-meritocracy, many who go into the mental health field are chasing clout/money/utility or are romanticizing their own lives aka living vicariously through their occupation, this is especially common among clinical social workers but pysch/social-psych aswell. Scishow also did a video on the “replication crisis(retesting)” in research, publication bias, research funding allocation inequities( Koch bros sat on FSU’s psych tenure board and the history/political science department by example in Tallahassee), using WEIRD( western educated industrial rich democratic) participants to try inferring universal thruths, not to mention the WEIRD acronym is basically meaningless nowadays. Western what does that even mean in a globally connected world are Albanians or Bosnian eastern by example or western, mostly Islamic but white, what about Uruguayans who are mostly white. Educated, have you talked to your average American now a days. Industrial sure. Rich, the wealth inequailty in America is now greater than pre-fall Rome aka Satyricon. Democratic…. We had a terrorist attack on the Capitol Building Jan. 6th 2020, they got away with it, Susan Collins first reaction was to speculate it was Iran though( didnt we kill one of their generals for no reason, maybe Freud was right about projection). Marx said the hegemony recreates itself even in academia. John Oliver just did an episode on Mental Health recently, 84.5% or mental health professionals are white in the US…. How is that possible? Again this isn’t a meritocracy, in who gets to conduct research, practice, or has the eceonomic means to get therapy. Rome 2.0 is crashing, im laughing if I wasnt stuck in it!
EV Belluche, I was very lucky to get into a program in White Plains, NY many years ago and got have kept the booklet. I have used it over and over throughout that years.
Well i don't really care if it has a statistically significant effect, I would like to know how big the effect actually is. Or maybe how good the placebo allready is.
complexwords It's when you feel like things are getting better because you're getting therapy, when in actual, they are same. It shows placebo effects.
No but like, how is any of that measured? Does that mean those people still did receive some sort of consultation, just not actual psychotherapy? I'm so confused.
I guess in a controlled study, the control group would just hang out and talk to random dude who claims to be a therapist. If I were in such a study, and somehow realized I was in the control group, I'd probably start making 5h!t up just for the hell of it, which would be a lot of fun, which would substantially improve my mood, which... Damn.
can therapy interfere with a disciplinary mindset? I'm trying to get my mind right and gain more discipline but deep down ik I probably need therapy too. my anger outbursts always happens. usually for small things and at work it's the worse. manager don't make it any easier
The issue with therapy is environment . If a kid is being abused in some way and is taken to therapy, unless the abuse stops, the issue will persist. If an adult can’t cope with the modern world, unless the modern world stops, the symptoms persist. You can’t just change someone’s ingrained world view over a few sessions or even years of sessions. You have to find some kind of reason to continue through the chaos.
Much depends on the causes of the problems. If it's primarily neurochemical, then medication may be required. Even then, talk therapy can help the person come to terms with having a serious, chronic illness.
In my experience therapy is like handing someone the spark notes of your life and having them help you write a literary analysis. It’s pretty good at getting you to figure out flawed thinking patterns and showing it to you with a fresh set of eyes.
One additional reason for patients quitting early is feeling better. They think they can handle it from that point on and sometimes they are right, but many times they are not. It's pretty common that patients quitting psychotherapy early come back multiple times and quit early evry time. Apparently the learning curve is quite flat for some people, no matter the approach of the psychotherapist. PS: please do not mistake Psychologists (no therapy here) for Psychotherapists and Psychiatrist.
I have a question that I certainly will repeat if it is not answered by somebody. What is the neurology of confusion? I have searched youtube and google scholar and even Wikipedia and found nothing that talks about the specifics about what occurs when people are confused even on a psychological level. What is Confusion and why does it happen?
I have borderline personality disorder, which in practice makes you experience like 6-12 mental illnesses at once and they're all kinda fighting or cooperating with each other to make your life awful. It's terrible, and the worst thing is that the two kinds of therapy that the vast majority of mental health professionals practice (CBT and Mindfulness) have been proven to be ineffective for borderlines. In my experience, mindfulness just angers me and CBT helps me get out my thoughts and emotions but doesn't have any long term impact on me. It makes me feel better, but it doesn't actually help me get better. What may help me is Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, but there's almost no access to it because it's fairly new and not broadly applicable. And that's the problem, psychotherapy has to move to a more individual scale if it wants to be effective. Mental health professionals need broader toolkits than just CBT and Mindfulness so they can properly treat their patients individual mental state.
Devin West Why go for a PhD? If you wanna be a psychologist you really shouldn't need to know about medicine and such because you wont need to give any prescriptions. A PhD takes an average of 8.2 years whereas a PsyD takes roughly 4-6, and even then you could get an EdD degree.
psychotherapy is a business, at least in part, so for example it's good to not take everything a psychotherapist says as some sort of unquestionable truth, thinking that the professional authority is always right. im a psychology student at university level myself and unfortunately we are mostly "trained" just to memorize information from books in order to pass mnemonic exams.. it's pretty sad.. there might be some better quality training in my future years as an apprentice, but im quite skeptical of the whole system.. the current economic system most likely has a lot to do with all this.. i found it very insightful recently to learn about the (already technically feasible) possibility of alternative and healthier economic systems, and learning about the massive implications and effects that would have on societal, environmental, social and individual health /well-being.. if ure interested, check out www.nlrbe.org ("rbe" standing for "resource-based economy") and the 2 projects linked at the bottom of that page
There is something called evidence based treatments. Some organizations will not cover treatment that has not been shown to be effective. And the therapist have to monitor progress.
Put me in the helped column. As a child, I was often beaten by my father to unconsciousness, told I was worthless, that I could never do anything right, everything that went wrong, anywhere, whether I was involved or not, was my fault, and of course I grew up believing that. I entered adulthood afraid of people, especially men, I had no confidence, when people would define me I would change me to meet their definition, I had no "me" left, spent most of my time hiding. In my mid-thirties, the mid-'70s, I must have found the perfect psychiatrist for me, because after three years, I realized that I had been treated unfairly, that I was not only ok, I was actually pretty darn good, and no one else is allowed to define me! It's been a good life since.
hope ur doing ok 🤍
@@ralphperrier - "Grew out of that pattern"? You may be the kind of person who tells depressed people to "snap out of it", eh?
Thank you for your story :)
Tatakae
Yours sounds pretty straight forward not to minimize your struggles, but to know you shouldnt be abused as a child and were treated unfairly doesnt require a therapist. What if you are more bothered by the nature of existence as a whole?
If nothing else, it will be the first step that leads to an effective long-term strategy.
"20-50% quit...."
well...... when we patients need to pay the therapist for each session, why would they continue.....
True, not only that but, they empty your wallet without you even reaching enlightenment after 2 years. You can get better results from a monk, he can guide you for free for 2 years or just pay him in a little food lol. Literally had friends that would talk about oh god i need a therapist & i would be sitting there like hello modern day monk over here, stress free, no attachment to emotions or material things, always happy. If you can't find a monk a Buddhism book would help you & you just follow a similar life style of turning suffering into happiness.
@Xx 33 Yea marijuana would be cheaper than therapy. I don't need either i follow the path of enlightenment, which is the ultimate therapist.
Funny thing is from my experience its just a regurgitation of previous or common sense advice. Additionally, a study found that the lack of advice for the major natural antidepressant of exercise on individuals facing depression and bi polar disorder was not included in their mental health plan. After having patients follow this healthy activity their mood significantly increased. Therapy from my experience has also been expensive and requires consistent appointments which can be used for other more long term health appointments in other aspects such as a gym membership, dermatologist, or dentist.
@@garretrodriguez I’m a Christian since two years ago I can’t go to a monk as far as I’m concerned :/ idk who I can talk to besides strangers
@@garretrodriguez Hi I smoke often! No! Marijuana is definitely not a good cheap alternative to a therapist!
I used to have an irrational love for taking showers, it was interfering with my life. My therapist had me watch the shower scene from Alfred Hitchcock's horror classic "Psycho." That was some good Psycho-Therapy.
Dang you fast; you everywhere!! 😄😄
Is it me or you don't comment on all SciShow videos anymore? D: I've seen a couple (like the one about salt) where's there's no joke from you :(
sapphirll On work days I only have a couple of hours for TH-cam while I get ready for work. So if they upload late I miss it. Sometimes I'm too busy or can't think of a joke (most of them are original.) Sometimes my comment doesn't get thumbs up and is buried at the bottom :(
But thank you for appreciating them ^_^
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I had the opposite growing up, and it's still something I'm getting over. As soon as I was deemed old enough to shower on my own, I would 'fake' showers (turn the water on and don't get in). I would go a week without showering. I hated the feeling of my hair being wet, the humidity, etc.
I think phycotherapy is as helpful as the psychologist who is treating. I myself had a lot of problems with some psychologists that just lumped me with what helped fix everyone. The amount of times I was told to listen to music despite me telling them I associated music with sitting on a train for 6 hours a day crying about my father's death was rediculious. And I'm so tired of being told to meditate when doing so literally brings out the darkest of my thoughts. Another struggle I faced with my treatment was that I only receive 10 free sessions a year (super lucky compared to a lot of places) but it isn't enough for treating a depression that's lasted for years. But I found a psychologist who was on my level. He understood what I understood about myself and didn't lump me into that cure all. He helped a lot through my final year of university. Sadly once I finished he felt it was time to get a little more confronting and I haven't been back since. Half of me has convinced myself that I'm doing alright, even though I know I probably shouldn't have stopped...
I don't know why I'm sharing this. I guess just remember everyone is different. Listen. Be open, be honest.
I was surprised to hear some people dislike it. I H.A.T.E. therapy and have just thrown away thousands of dollars and hours and gotten zero help. I'm glad to know I'm not alone because everyone seems to always say how much they like it and/or shock when I say I don't.
The thing is, that an isolated case or two is not representative of the entire potential of psychotherapy science.
It is entirely possible to get a terrible therapist, just like sometimes we get a lazy and non communicative doctor who is more keen in getting this over with.
It is paramount you match and feel good with your therapist. Leave them if you dont work well with them. Don't allow them to pollute the potential of such advanced field.
After multiple hospitalizations I realized they didn't know how to treat real mental illneses.
They actually prefer alcoholics and junkies over mentally ill people because they can get the drunk to stop drinking, or the junkie to stop using but they can't get the person who is suicidal to stop being suicidal or get the schizophrenic to stop acting weird and seeing things.
The only thing they can do right is give out meds to take the edge off but anything beyond that is non exsistent. So nothing is or can be worked out or resolved.
I completely agree with you. People that are at the brink of destruction often go to therapists as a last resort, because they don't know what to do anymore. But instead of trying to help, what they're theoretically supposed to do, they just gaslight you, invalidade you and add more fuel to the fire for the sake of their own amusement. You end up seriously regretting your visit. And if you where to follow the stupid advice of some geniuses here and simply search for another therapist, the new one will be the same and completely defend every wrong thing the previous therapist did, and blame you instead, as if they actually were there to be able to judge the situation. They all have a weird superiority complex and think they have some sort of moral authority, where every bit of critizism against them is a huge scandal and the person doing it needs to be punished for it.
Absolutely. It is a scam and the part I've said before about them gaslighting and invalidating the patient is the key element in order to make it work. Because if they were honest, most of the time they would have to say that the way the patient is feeling right now, is simply the logical consequence of the negative situation the patient finds himself in. But by doing so, they would also indirectly admit that they can't really do anything to help, since they can neither affect the patients current circumstances in life, nor the events that happened earlier, which led to the problematic situation of the present. That way they would make little to no money. However, if they instead tell the patient that his situation is not all that bad, that others have it worse and that he only feels so bad, because he is "sick" in the brain, they then can proceed to their "one-size-fits-all" solution of " just STFU and take anti-depressants!".
yes, Psychotherapy is a swindle. It's actually obvious when you read the literature.
It's not evidence based.
if I have carpal tunnel problems, yes, different practices and different schools to deal with it, exist.
But they are elaborated from reality to practice, not the other way. That's mostly the problem.
psychoanalysis is just a cult, it works if you believe it. That means it have the same effect as a placebo, or the neuroses themselves, because we develop neuroses to avoid pain as we develop baseless believes.
I'm in therapy for substance abuse. I think therapy works if the patient wants to get better and is dedicated to their treatment. You have to work your program. It's not magic.
you get out what you put in?
AlanmanAaron Exactly!
Exactly. Lots of people think a therapist is going to just magically make their problems go away, when in fact, it's better to see them as a trainer: they can tell you what to do, but you're not going to get better unless you actually do it. With the added complication ofc that this trainer first has to find out which sport you could like. :P
I'd like to work in this field. What do you think all substance abuse counsellors should know?
therabbithat I don't think it matters so much 'what' you know. The most effective counselors I've ever seen have been open-minded, good listeners who don't make me feel judged for the obviously poor choices I've made in my life. As long as you truly care about your clients, see them as people rather than just junkies, you'll be a great counselor. All the rest you'll learn in school. Good luck! 💙
Here watching in my first week of my Master's program in Clinical Mental Health Counseling! Was so excited to see Hank pop up in my class assignment list - my teacher is onto something!
I agree that therapy can be helpful for some people, and not others. An old friend of mine who had chronic major depression and SAD and had intermittent hospitalizations benefited from a combo of medications and ongoing psychotherapy, including DBT and talk therapy. Meanwhile, the therapy I'm receiving is not effective because it is not fighting a solely biological or psychological issue (in my case, PTSD), but also very real physical circumstances that need practicable solutions, and no amount of mindfulness training helps with ongoing current trauma, chronic illness, poverty and the lack of ability and resources that come from limited means and choices. My friend was lucky enough to have a condition that was improved by managing her ruminative thoughts, and by having a loving family to help her financially so she could take time off of work, pay for her hospitalizations, and emotionally support her as she worked on herself, but not everyone has that situation.
I appreciate the role therapy plays in improving quality of life, to the point where I considered studying psychology when I was younger. Now that I'm older, I still value its impact and understand its use, but also know firsthand that there are other things it cannot help with, and it is not a cure-all for every problem a person has. I think considering how to provide services and resources for people is just as important and could go a long way in preventing people from getting to the point where their psychological and emotional health is compromised.
I should hope so since that's what I'm in right now. I first tried it and didn't like it last year. Before it tore me down and it was a waste of time and money for me. My new therapist is much better and has me doing assignments outside our meetings. I can feel comfortable in my own skin and I see I've gained some confidence. I still have trouble with my anxiety, quite a lot actually. But she talks to me like anybody else would and I feel normal around her.
As a counselor, I really appreciate this. It’s real, and it covers so much of the issues and strengths about our field. I especially like how real the end but was about case by case basises with clients, the individual factors are so important.
u cant bs me with your therapy scam no damn way i have common sense its a shame how u rip people off and take advantage of them
It blows my mind that so many of the most well-educated people on earth still can't eliminate their biases when making a study
intelligence is not the opposite of stupidity
@@goyonman9655 what is?
@@r011ing_thunder6
What's the opposite of water - Lack of water
What is the opposite of intelligence - Lack of intelligence
Many therapists are trying their own approach to solve the same problem of course they are going to have bias.
A lot of money and jobs are attached to it
I have had cognitive behavioral therapy since I was nine, and it helps me so much. I have also started dialectal behavioral therapy which also helps. Though I must say that it helps if your therapist doesn't intimidat you and that you trust them.
I had/have panic disorder. Medication alone didn't help, Psychotherapy alone didn't help, but the combination of the two helped me a lot and I'd say I'm 95% better now.
I've hated all my therapists and I always feel worse for going. It's a big waste of time and a GIANT waste of money.
It can be. It's very text book orientated and people can be more unique than that - we don't all function within the 'norm'. Best to take practical self realised self learned advice, apply your own strategies and use the bits of psychotherapy that actually work for you. That's what I found. E.g break targets and aims into smaller achievable short term steps, to help with a bigger picture...develop strategies and find which ones work and which one don't.
Can u explain why u hated them?
@UCUykUC4jgfLjhlwliZaqbIQ STFU YOU SOUND CRINGE
Talk therapy is utterly useless if you as the client aren't able to aknowledge your problems and look your inner demons in the eyes. Same works for therapists; if you don't take your client seriously and only try to convince them of your specific worldview instead of working through evidence AND experience, then you suck at your job.
danielle111115 this! My program has a huge emphasis on being neutral and actually asking ourself if there is a bias or something that would harm treatment and the patient/client
Talking cannot fix behavior problems
True, talking can't. But conversing, learning and connecting can. Some get to understand themselves better through talking with someone else about their behaviour. Selfreflection creates selfawareness and that in turn creates the possibility to change. You can only change what you are aware of after all.
danielle111115 look your inner demon in the eyes is the exactly point off talk therapy
Oh yeah! I'd like to be a counsellor and i've been reading a lot of books written by psychotherapists and narrow-minded world views abound. They think they are preachers or shaman, they are supposed to listen and give support! I wonder will I come out of the other side of a counselling and psychotherapy BSc with some kind of zealotry
I remember trying to get therapy for my social anxiety and it never goes well, at all. Just getting an appointment is difficult, but when I did finally get an appointment I did the stupid thing and told her that I was using medical cannabis for pain. I have neck problem and sometimes I get really bad migraines when I'm having a bad day and it really helps. (Let me make this clear, my social problems started when I was a child, long before I ever smoked, so no, it's not the reason I have social anxiety) HOWEVER the lady I was talking to didn't really care that I was getting pain relief, instead she just kept saying "I see you smoke marijuana." and "have you thought about not smoking marijuana?" to which I thought "WTF lady, your suppose to be a professional, call it by it's real name!". So instead of talking about anything related to my social problems she just kept on talking about how I should probably stop smoking and even mentioned "intervention" to which I just glared at her.
So long story short, I didn't get any help from that b***, she only manged to make me feel WORSE and turned me off from EVER seeing a therapist ever again. After talking with her I just felt stressed out and like I was being judged terribly.
A good therapist will be non-judgemental. You found a bad one.
Laura E.T. Don't judge all therapy by one experience. I have intense social anxiety and I started CBT about a year ago, and recently started SSRIs as well. I've gone from being nauseous and panicked at the thought of calling certain people to talking to them on a regular basis. It really can help.
I think she maybe used marijuana to sound less jargony and more real. And I think she might have thought cannabis might be stopping you from sitting in/realizing/dealing with your emotions and ideas, which may block therapy.
But a good therapist should be able to read the patient, give explanations/background to his or her suggestions, be clearly nonjudgemental which I perhaps she was not, realize what the patient is giving adverse reactions to, stop doing that and change tactics.
I believe that effective therapy is not possible when a good relationship and fit between client and patient is not formed. I think there are many different therapists with many degrees of expertise and approaches. It may be worth searching around for.
However if you feel this is too tiresome than perhaps you may not have enough energy to fully participate in therapy just now, in which case it may be better to wait until you feel more motivated. The fact that you once seeked and went to therapy suggests you have willingness to improve your conditions, which is great.
My best tip as a not-yet-professional is try to do what you enjoy/think would enjoy starting from small doses. Maybe doing an activity you think you might enjoy but requires social participation once a week for an hour and go from there.
I totally get you. I lost my father as a child and after a short amount of time, at least I remember it as very short, she ended up concluding that "my grades were good, so I should be fine and have no further need for her"
I have quite a few friends with different disorders, who have benifitted from psychotherapy, yet, every time I think I'm going to try for myself, I end up remembering that woman and I never make the phone call...
Yasemin BAHAR good word my G
I love therapy c: very hard to find a good therapist in my experience, but when I do it always helps me have more stable plans in life
So far, phychotherapy has worked for me. Figuring out what happened on a stressful situation has helped me to notice when it's happening again and it has given me the tools to change the outcome. Understanding my thought process has helped me to explain myself better to people. Talking about whatever is bothering me with someone who's first response is not "well, it's simple. All you have to do is..." calms me down enough to be able to find solutions that could actually work.
I know it doesn't work for everyone. But even if it's just a placebo, that placebo gives hope and time. I would've given up long time ago if it weren't for it.
Therapy is very much a mixed bag. I've only had one good therapist, and then I moved over 3 hours away and couldn't see her anymore. I've seen several therapists, and finding a good one is very hard but well worth it. Or at least it was for me. I'm trying to find one that I really like, and it's definitely a process. While talking to friends and family can be a relief, they can mostly just offer support since many of them are struggling with mental illness and/or trauma as well, or they have extremely limited understanding of either. The latter are usually the ones who say I don't need therapy, but I find it very relieving to open up to a non-biased, experienced professional who is, in all except life- and safety-threatening cases, legally sworn to secrecy.
this dumb, with the same success, you can look for good friends or any other communication / occupation that will help you
Part of the problem with psychotherapy effectiveness is that sometimes, therapists just aren't good at their jobs. Yet, it can be hard for a patient to tell at first, or to think that any issues they're having must be them.
It's just like any health professional - we all have stories about the bad ones. It's a serious relief when you find a good doctor.
I've learned that the advice of "If it's not working, find someone else" is the best advice to take. It doesn't ever matter why it's not working. If it's not, it just isn't, no matter the reasons. It's always okay to keep looking.
Difference between psych hospital and pay-therapists?
Huge. Absolutely humongous.
Class plays a HUGE part in finding YOUR therapist.
Took me 20 years.
What do you mean by class? Financially upper class?
@@khansazainab7490 Deffinitely that. While in the upper classes you can still find abusive therapists, it's way easier to find therapists ranging in 50-200$ per visit (or those from public health care, they will just do anything to kick you out...). If you don't earn enough to afford upper class therapists, and be able to check out 10 of them 6 test sessions each, you're better off trying to help yorself on your own. Scammers can only make things worse.
In the US, it has become "standard coincidence" that a psychotherapist will declare a patient as "cured" just slightly before all forms of health insurance and family savings run out. ;)
Think that's anecdotal there bud
Captain Planet For that matter, most of psychotherapy is anecdotal there Sybil. lol !
And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar ... unless of course you "did not have sex with that woman!" ahahaha!
Not just in the US, here in Poland the cheapest therapist will take 100 zł (about $25, while minimum monthly wage here is 1200zł - $300), and they will suck you dry without giving ANY solution, no cure, nothing. Bonus points for them if you are introvert and won't question those practices.
@Darth Nihilus Mostly because society blew out of proportions what therapy is supposed to be for. Got depression? Man, you need a therapy! Plus it's cost-sink fallacy. The more money you spend on something, the more involved you are, because you don't want that money to go for waste. It's painful to actually drop it, but it's the only way to actually win - realize that you are the only one who can help yourself.
Anecdotes are usually better
For me, I've had anxiety and depression for 13 years and chronic pain in all of my joints and muslces for five years. CBT and talk therapy have helped me throughout my life. I have had some terrible counselors, but I have also had a few amazing counselors. If you don't feel like you're getting the help you need, then find a new counselor if you can. Right now i have an amazing counseler. I think the best counselor are the ones that let you talk and then you discover things about yourself. Some people may do better with other therapies or a few of them. I'm in one on one counseling and group counseling.Not everything works for everyone and that's okay. It may not be easy, but keep trying to find something that works for you.
WOW this is a TOUGH topic. I was reluctant to even watch this video. You guys did a fantastic job covering the complication of this this question. This is _exactly_ why I am happy to fund you through patreon. It is indeed sad when people don't benefit from talk therapy. And the reasons why are again, so complicated.
I'm studying to become a psychologist, and the amount of bad rep and misconception people have towards mental health professionals is staggering. I'm glad SciShow Psych exists, even if it means sometimes you discredit some practices.
what misconceptions do you mean?
I think it's because so many people have problems that psychologist just can't fix.
spo okey I've been through school for psychology, at the B.Sci level, and even have some clinical experience. There's a broad range of negative ideas spread by all sorts of groups, that are incredibly toxic, that have been embraced by swaths of the population. Such as: real men wouldn't be caught dead in a shrinks office; psychologists are just a bunch of quacks who don't really know anything; it's a mass brainwashing conspiracy (by liberals, the illuminati, homosexuals, take your pick); it's a plot by big pharma to addict people to drugs; only "crazy" people go to head doctors; seeing a therapist makes you weak. I could go on all day.
And those are just a few of the big ones.
oh, i heard about those in the past but i thought these days people are more realistic about the need of psychotherapists. can't deny that there are more and more known people spreading awareness about mental health and self-care and i would say the youth acknowledges and has nothing against psychotherapy. older geneartions might still struggle, sure, but as their kids start to talk about it more openly, they try to change their views as well.
i remember when i told my mum how i felt mentally and asked if i could see a therapist. it took some time for her to see it as something natural, i think at first she felt slightly insulted as if she failed at parenting. but i did eventually see a therapist and she seems completely at ease with the idea. my aunt getting some similar help might have helped as well.
overall, i think it is changing and soon the misconceptions will be forgotten
Unfortunately, I know way too many people who are young and think that way just because their parents do. It's better than it used to be, but it's still enough of a problem to prevent a significant % of even the younger population to go.
I kinda acknowledge shrinks only for people who have some sort of diagnosis.
I have problems in life like everyone else does, but I don't believe talking about my problems would help me because it won't solve those problems (financial issues, health issues, overworked). besides, I have friends to talk with about things bothering me... and we don't charge each other.
And sometimes they give you the exact advice the psychologist does ..... half the time they tell you what you already know anyway
In my experience and the experience of my friends and family psychotherapy helps.
But the effictivness strongly depends on the therapist and if it is in a hospital or not.
Therapy in psychiatries (at least in Germany) is often just a measure to get a diagnosis, because they don‘t have enough therapists because the training is really long and exclusive. But if done well, therapy can really help.
I thought psychotherapy didn't work until I went through three therapists and found the one I clicked with.
That's indeed important. The first one I had been to was so disagreeable that I even thought that purchasing a bag of cookies and thinking about my problems alone while eating would had been far more effective, and cheaper. I can't say I found one whom I liked, but the other ones I went were so better that I even went more than thrice to them.
Is worth looking into Héctor Fernández Álvarez's research about therapist-client compatibility.
Yes! Compatibility is critical!
My family wanted me to go to a psychologist, becouse of depression. Basically just sat there and didn't know what to talk about. She said, it was alright to be silent. It went like this every time. I know the underlying message, is that no one can help me if i don't help myself. I was well aware of that before starting there. Depression is the lack of wanting anything. It was just pointless.
What if psychotherapy just works on depression by having the person come out of their home to interact and talk with another human being? Not to mention if they can actually talk about the things that are bothering them instead of being blocked by fear of judgement? That's not even placebo - it just is a thing people need to be human.
So true!
Anecdotal evidence: CBT worked for my multiple anxiety disorders. It was hard to start, but it was life changing.
Anxiety disorders are the most trivial to treat conditions. Usually the anxiety is completely irrational and the affected person is actually already aware of that. Not to mention that anxiety disorders respond greatly to simplest behaviorist re-conditioning processes.
They are banal and not complex or difficult to treat at all.
This is fair. Please do more. I struggle with severe Rapid Bipolar 1 and struggle with the drug treatments, and CBT is not even a consideration amongst my doctors. I request ECT, but am rejected so far.
I had therapists that didnt work for me and then I had therapists that could talk to me the way I needed and it worked great. I made a lot of progress last year
I wish I experienced the type of benefits that others say they had in it.
So much has to align right in order for this type of relationship to work. It's a bit of a gamble and an expensive one at that. At the end of the day, though, the goal of the therapist should be to teach you not to need a therapist but so many therapists seem too interested in getting you booked for the next session. Some therapists probably thrive on the codependent nature of the process. From my experience meditation, exercise and a copious amount of reading have been essential to my improved mental health journey. Getting out of your head and taking action are also essential.
So far, I haven't had a single positive experience with therapy. I think some people might improve with therapy (mostly those who need to express some dark feelings) but those who need help and don't have trouble expressing their feelings are only going to receive paid gaslighting.
Jesus that is so well put!
This morning I was thinking about the curriculum for a psychology degree. No neurobiology requirement, no nutrition requirement.
Therapy might have helped me if any of my therapists had helped me understand that the depression and anxiety were my brain trying to survive following an adverse event that threatened my safety and security. Especially given that we exist in an environment that brains have not evolved to handle. Instead I was told that my brain is broken, it’s my family’s fault, and none of the awful things people did to me over the years mattered.
Oh well, beer is is expensive and more fun. I finally learned not to care about longevity.
I will refer you to a mycologist that will serve as a guide in your fight against depression and anxiety,he will also hook you up with the drugs that are needed.
Pharmpsych4 is the handle.
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Quick, i need to make a Therapist/Psychologist joke. How many therapists does it take to change a light bulb? None, the bulb will change itself when it is ready :)))
That's so bad, it's good. :P
Will a therapist fill the car with gas ? Nope the car should figure it out itself
I’ve been searching for a true therapist for years. I lose time, forget major events like having been somewhere or met someone, get confused easily, have hypersomnia, etc. Instead, I keep finding counselors. It seems that counselors spend the majority of the session either as a cheerleader or confidant - neither of which is helpful at all. I’ve had many different diagnoses, from brain damage to dementia to depression to needing to be more social, to Narcolepsy, to being lonely, to being told that there is nothing wrong with me at all. I have yet to find a professional who is willing and able to review all of the data and figure out what is actually wrong, and then help me. So, I don’t have much faith in this whole area of medicine.
Tina Flintstone Talk therapy definitely isn't the appropriate treatment for that set of symptoms. How many neurologists have you seen? I'd want them to rule everything out, before trying psychiatrists (not psychologists or psychotherapists or psychoanalysts). I hope you have the money and energy to keep looking.
Therapy (for me anyways) really depends on the therapist.
My sister went to therapy for years and it made her feel better by convincing her that nothing she did was her fault and that she didn't have to accept responsibility for any of her actions. Grat job, therapy!
That aint good
Yes it’s also how it worked. Us westerners are a collapsing reality, we are decaying because we are weak and incapable of embracing the hardness of reality
That’s not useful at all!
Was it really the therapy or was she always like that beforehand?
@@enteblu6799 please all knowing sir, enlightened me on your version of hard reality lol
It's effective... when done by the right person.
You can't learn how to be a good shrink just by studying. the degree doesn't make the shrink.
Some things can only be learned through living, Like empathy, which is the most important thing for a shrink to have, even if s/he doesn't show it.
You should let your thoughts out and feels out but if talk to another person worsens you try writing/drawing them down Instead. It can have similar effects without the down cost of first opening up to a real person.
I used to have a psycho-therapist, but it's alright, she's getting help now.
But really, all the talk therapy wasn't helpful at the time, but I still think back to some of those talks 15-20 years years later because they were really informative to my feelings.
I have been suffering from depression for most of my life. I have lost count of therapists. Maybe 15 or 20. Different approaches, methods, lots of promises. None helped.
From what I read in grad school short answer is yes to at least modest significant degree for most people but it also depends on the fit between patient and clinician’s personality (or rapport) and school of thought.
That was very well presented and research, wow. I love the layers and layers of factors that actually go into a well researched topic. Most people have no idea when it comes to statistics there are more factors than we can even comprehend that gave the specific outcome, nothing is just black and white.
This is not at all scientific of a comment, completely subjective as it is personal, but I my experience, it strongly depends on the therapist, their personality, and how well you can connect with them. With my first two therapists, I couldn't really open up much based on how I was at the time, but, mostly, how I connected with them. But with my most recent therapist, i was able to open up much more just based on personality, and it helped a lot with my struggle with depression.
Around four times in a row, I never could complete any processes with my therapists. They often would end up getting pregnant and taking leave, and I'd never make a new appointment or get a call from them when they returned :/
My assumption is that "Psychotherapy" works when someone has recognized a problem and needs someone to listen to them and provide external feedback to address the issue. I'm dubious that the "psycho" aspect of it has all that much to do with the success or failure.
True, you basically pay someone to listen to your thoughts and worries. The whole pseudoscientific terminology is just a ruse, the benefit is in the human interaction, not the methodology.
A somewhat mundane and simple theory of how therapy cab be effective is that of Sandor Grau, MD where two core processes are recognized: 1) by verbalizing half known aspects of one's thoughts and desires they become more fully known, and 2) we have inherently conflicting, irreconsilable desires and goals, the verbal recognition of which helps cope. This would be the Ambavalence Based Psychotherapy.
> There's no proof psychotherapy works for real
> We believe it works
Awesome. How can I ever take psychology seriously?
CBT saved my life, but it's not easy. It can be pretty intense to get in touch with some of those nasty emotions that you keep stored away in order to safeguard your peace of mind. It takes a lot of determination and courage for a patient to let their therapist help them navigate through them and deal with them.
You were gaslighted and didn't know it.
This is exactly why therapists should encourage their patients to ask for a referral to another therapist if they're just not right fot the patient. If the patient doesn't feel comfortable and able to talk to their therapist, their treatment won't be effective and they will probably drop out. It is simply better to try another therapist than it is stopping therapy completely.
psychotherapy didn't work for me personally but it worked great for some people i know so honestly giving it a try is always a good idea
not always, it can damage people
Therapy is too damn expensive in the United States. Most don't accept state medical insurance in WA, but charge like $200 an hour. Makes me wonder, are they trying to heal people, or get rich? And if the latter, why didn't they become a regular doctor?
It's €50 an hour in Ireland, but student counsellors charge €15 or are free, and if you get a referral from your GP you can have six sessions for free, but there is a waiting list for that. I didn't know it was so expensive in the US. It's a wonder anyone can afford it. I assume that is with a psychiatrist (medical doctor specialising in mental health) ? Are counsellors not considerably cheaper?
While therapists do tend to earn a lot of money in the USA, remember they have expenses too. It's $200/hour revenue, not $200/hour profit.
@@therabbithat Therapists and counsellors do the same thing.
@Darth Nihilus Have you ever rented commercial space? It's expensive.
So is the 6-8 years it takes to become a therapist.
So is the fact that therapists don't get paid for every hour they work. In fact, a quick look says a typical therapist has 20-25 billable hours in a typical work week.
That means $4000-5000/week income. That's $200-250k/year in revenue. Take out taxes. Take out insurance, and benefits, lease, etc. Median therapist salary in the USA is $70-80k, which is perfectly reasonable.
Now if only you could have scraped together enough to afford enough education to not be a blustering imbecile.
I am so glad to leave a like here on this video because this is what I wanted from my therapists rather than shoving pills down my throat
The fact that people are so nonchalant about therapy possibly making symptoms worse "before they get better" is so obnoxious. Are there similar results from medications? "Oh, don't worry about your heart palpitations or blood pressure results getting worse *for now*... Just give it more time!" I think this is the most significant evidence towards proving that therapy is not what it could be in this day and age. I'd wager that given 100-200 years from now, many of the techniques used will be proven to be complete pseudo-science and even seen as practically torture. Well-meaning, but the profession, and even the research at this point is broken.
I've found therapy quite helpful.
I find I was most successful if I started by venting about the problem, which in itself can help you feel a bit better, working with the therapist to come up with ideas, or if I was completely lost, listening with an open mind, and was ready and eager to change my habits to reach a solution to the problem.
I failed to achieve meaningful changes when I was unwilling to alter my habits, or quit the therapy too soon.
What's worst is knowing your thoughts are evil but you still think about them and just insult yourself all day...
Can you do a show about ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy)? Thanks!
So meta....
I died at that statement lol
The fees increase their stress.
From my and My son’s experience psychotherapies don’t work. My son was in therapy most of his life (at least 15 yrs) and i had been on and off most my life. It sucks and I feel like I didn’t benefit from it. My son has decided to take a break from therapy. I have agoraphobia and major depressive disorder and my son has schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, and ADHD. His father and I worked really hard with the therapists my sons whole life. Non of it worked. We just focus on medication with the psychiatrist now. He’s been on meds most of his life and been hospitalized in psychiatric care 18 times.
Psychotherapy works....to a degree....personally, I’ve kept those “coping mechanisms” and I still use them however it depends on who you have as a therapist because all of them were terrible, didn’t help, they harassed me and they broke my confidentiality agreement even though I wasn’t a risk to myself or others. It got to the point where I would lie and say I’m fine just so they can dismiss me
Hayley Dell-Clooney
Ya, I've had mixed results with therapy. For my mood disorder it helped, not as much as medication, but it helped. For my chronic pain? Nah, it all came off as condescending and demeaning.
I've been in therapy for a while (fun problems) I've found it's incredibly helpful to couple the therapy with actually learning about psychology. Taking the Crash course on it, reading books from different thinkers who influenced psychology, things like that. The more self knowledge you have the better you can communicate what's going on with you and I think I better understand what my therapist is trying to help me with.
I've been seeing a psychiatrist and a psychologist for months now myself, and I very frequenlty have thoughts that what they do doesn't help at all. I have an appointment today and I'm tempted to just not go.
You forgot to add the single most important factor in whether or not therapy will work for you: rapport between therapist and client. When I was in college, it was repeatedly drilled into our heads that that one factor alone predicts 85% of whether or not therapy will be effective.
A shame that no rapport ever worked for me, my grandma, my aunt, three of my friends, and hundreths if not more of the people abused during therapies without even them knowing.
@@WwZa7 Would you care to elaborate on that?
@@fingerboxes no because the thought doesn't go any deeper than that. Don't most people just talk out of their ass?
@@diegocastaneda4325 Are you asking if therapists or clients talk out of their ass? If it's therapists, the job of a therapist in CBT and DBT is not to do the talking. It's to help people empower themselves. If it's clients, then if you feel the need to lie to your therapist you need a therapist you can actually open up to.
Kinda sounds like friendship - rapport is what makes it and it can significantly improve your life. But in therapy you pay for it. Where's the content/science bit, though? If I go to a doctor or a lawyer the cooperation is smoother if I have a good rapport with this person but it does not account for 85% of a successful outcome. I'm not cynical, I used to be into psychology, I'm very liberal but when I actually went to get help from "professionals" it backfired big time. Because what they were saying was simply unfit for my situation and sometimes harmful - I can say that with conviction now as opposed to doubting myself as before because the paradigm changed and I heavily doubt I would have the same experience if I tried to get help now. (As the awareness of narcissistic abuse has spread.) Nevertheless, my experience is still invalidated.
In my experience, it's the therapist helping you through it, not the therapy itself. This being said, me and only me, is a very small focus group with no control, lol
particpant observation for qualitative data
Psychotherapy works 100% and can work in any kind off people.The definition off psychoy
therapy is huge, there are many differents theories that all have plenty off quantitative and qualitative data. The thing is: psychoanalysis for example take a really long time to get effect , and the point that many people quit before the recommended time can lead to a wrong view about psychotherapy efficacy.
Sooooo much more learning to do. I'm excited to see where research takes us.
Psychotherapy didn't work for me, personally. 1/3 therapists helped, but the other two, good lord. I was a child then and the sessions were basically just "Stop being selfish everything is wrong with you it's your fault". WELP. THAT HELPED. They threw drugs at me too when insulting me proved to be a useless course of action. The result? Behavioural problems continued, and I felt nauseous all the time from the medication.
I quit all therapy, medicinal and psycho, when I was around 14. I also was lucky enough to be able to attend a school at that time where teachers worked with the students instead of bullying them (like teachers at my previous school did). Not being told I'm trash all the time mysteriously improved my behaviour, how surprising! I was able to self-reflect on my own without having to go on the defensive against antagonistic therapists and teachers, and resolved my issues myself.
Linden Bree That’s not what you’re supposed to hear during a therapy session 😱Omg
@@ezelanne Heh, yeah, no kidding. Where I lived at that time, resources for therapy were lacking. One of the bad ones I got was an adult therapist, so maybe she didn't know how to handle a child. (Edit for clarity: A therapist, who was an adult, and trained to work with adults rather than with kids.) Still, it should be common sense not to victim blame the kid though, yeesh.
I still encourage people who have no luck improving on their own to seek therapy, but I'm incredibly dubious of medication to this day. In my opinion, the therapist should at least TRY a self-reflective and behavioural change approach before they go throwing drugs at people. You have no reason to go to therapy if all it took was a magic pill. Or... several, over and over, trying to force a change without teaching the patient how to change through their own will.
Now I have the song Frontier Psychiatrist stuck in my head.
several years of CBT failed me, so there's a datapoint
Me, too. It was a waste of money and time.
i love listening to hank talk.
Matching patients with the right therapist is best for individual results I would think. There is no one-size-fits-all approach to life. So a scientific study is counter productive. Emotions aren’t really scientific. They’re completely subjective. But when therapists use the “ends justify the means” approach and become manipulative that’s extremely unhelpful and creates unnecessary uncertainty and distrust. Most psychologist seem to be that way because they try to use a rigid school book approach to deal with a real live human being.
My main question is the pure purpose of psychotherapy. Is to treat? To cure? To augment the benefits of a healthy support system? To help a person tap into the ability they already have to cope? To educate? To give a safe space to express? Can we get the same benefits from a being connected to a loving community? Seems ambiguous.
Thanks so much
The main take away for me is this isn’t a meritocracy, in fact it’s an anti-meritocracy, many who go into the mental health field are chasing clout/money/utility or are romanticizing their own lives aka living vicariously through their occupation, this is especially common among clinical social workers but pysch/social-psych aswell. Scishow also did a video on the “replication crisis(retesting)” in research, publication bias, research funding allocation inequities( Koch bros sat on FSU’s psych tenure board and the history/political science department by example in Tallahassee), using WEIRD( western educated industrial rich democratic) participants to try inferring universal thruths, not to mention the WEIRD acronym is basically meaningless nowadays. Western what does that even mean in a globally connected world are Albanians or Bosnian eastern by example or western, mostly Islamic but white, what about Uruguayans who are mostly white. Educated, have you talked to your average American now a days. Industrial sure. Rich, the wealth inequailty in America is now greater than pre-fall Rome aka Satyricon. Democratic…. We had a terrorist attack on the Capitol Building Jan. 6th 2020, they got away with it, Susan Collins first reaction was to speculate it was Iran though( didnt we kill one of their generals for no reason, maybe Freud was right about projection). Marx said the hegemony recreates itself even in academia. John Oliver just did an episode on Mental Health recently, 84.5% or mental health professionals are white in the US…. How is that possible? Again this isn’t a meritocracy, in who gets to conduct research, practice, or has the eceonomic means to get therapy. Rome 2.0 is crashing, im laughing if I wasnt stuck in it!
Can you do a video on DBT? dialectical behavior therapy . It really helped me!
Amberly Florio I've always wanted to try this. I'd love to learn more about it in a sci video!
EV Belluche, I was very lucky to get into a program in White Plains, NY many years ago and got have kept the booklet. I have used it over and over throughout that years.
If astrology has this level of leeway it will be considered solid science
Well i don't really care if it has a statistically significant effect,
I would like to know how big the effect actually is.
Or maybe how good the placebo allready is.
What exactly is placebo psychotherapy?
complexwords It's when you feel like things are getting better because you're getting therapy, when in actual, they are same. It shows placebo effects.
i guess it's if the fact itself that you are "doing psychotherapy" makes you feel better, regardless of the actual quality of the session
No but like, how is any of that measured? Does that mean those people still did receive some sort of consultation, just not actual psychotherapy? I'm so confused.
complexwords sounds like a good opportunity to do some Google digging.
I guess in a controlled study, the control group would just hang out and talk to random dude who claims to be a therapist.
If I were in such a study, and somehow realized I was in the control group, I'd probably start making 5h!t up just for the hell of it, which would be a lot of fun, which would substantially improve my mood, which... Damn.
can therapy interfere with a disciplinary mindset? I'm trying to get my mind right and gain more discipline but deep down ik I probably need therapy too. my anger outbursts always happens. usually for small things and at work it's the worse. manager don't make it any easier
The issue with therapy is environment . If a kid is being abused in some way and is taken to therapy, unless the abuse stops, the issue will persist.
If an adult can’t cope with the modern world, unless the modern world stops, the symptoms persist. You can’t just change someone’s ingrained world view over a few sessions or even years of sessions. You have to find some kind of reason to continue through the chaos.
Much depends on the causes of the problems. If it's primarily neurochemical, then medication may be required. Even then, talk therapy can help the person come to terms with having a serious, chronic illness.
This video appears in my feed after I get off the phone with my therapist.
Nice.
In my experience therapy is like handing someone the spark notes of your life and having them help you write a literary analysis.
It’s pretty good at getting you to figure out flawed thinking patterns and showing it to you with a fresh set of eyes.
One additional reason for patients quitting early is feeling better. They think they can handle it from that point on and sometimes they are right, but many times they are not. It's pretty common that patients quitting psychotherapy early come back multiple times and quit early evry time. Apparently the learning curve is quite flat for some people, no matter the approach of the psychotherapist.
PS: please do not mistake Psychologists (no therapy here) for Psychotherapists and Psychiatrist.
Thank you
I have a question that I certainly will repeat if it is not answered by somebody. What is the neurology of confusion? I have searched youtube and google scholar and even Wikipedia and found nothing that talks about the specifics about what occurs when people are confused even on a psychological level.
What is Confusion and why does it happen?
I have borderline personality disorder, which in practice makes you experience like 6-12 mental illnesses at once and they're all kinda fighting or cooperating with each other to make your life awful. It's terrible, and the worst thing is that the two kinds of therapy that the vast majority of mental health professionals practice (CBT and Mindfulness) have been proven to be ineffective for borderlines.
In my experience, mindfulness just angers me and CBT helps me get out my thoughts and emotions but doesn't have any long term impact on me. It makes me feel better, but it doesn't actually help me get better. What may help me is Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, but there's almost no access to it because it's fairly new and not broadly applicable. And that's the problem, psychotherapy has to move to a more individual scale if it wants to be effective. Mental health professionals need broader toolkits than just CBT and Mindfulness so they can properly treat their patients individual mental state.
Dude, psychotherapy literally saved my life once and methaforically twice
The only thing i hate is the price tag its like at least $159 a session and if your tight on money it could be a challenge
Psychology is my dream job!!
Fanilliaj
I just have this and senior year left. Then 8 years of college for my PhD. Lol
Devin West Why go for a PhD? If you wanna be a psychologist you really shouldn't need to know about medicine and such because you wont need to give any prescriptions. A PhD takes an average of 8.2 years whereas a PsyD takes roughly 4-6, and even then you could get an EdD degree.
Mickey Mouse
If you want to start your own practice it's best to have a PhD
Devin West Fair enough :)
Mine too! Uni next year!
psychotherapy is a business, at least in part, so for example it's good to not take everything a psychotherapist says as some sort of unquestionable truth, thinking that the professional authority is always right. im a psychology student at university level myself and unfortunately we are mostly "trained" just to memorize information from books in order to pass mnemonic exams.. it's pretty sad.. there might be some better quality training in my future years as an apprentice, but im quite skeptical of the whole system.. the current economic system most likely has a lot to do with all this.. i found it very insightful recently to learn about the (already technically feasible) possibility of alternative and healthier economic systems, and learning about the massive implications and effects that would have on societal, environmental, social and individual health /well-being.. if ure interested, check out www.nlrbe.org ("rbe" standing for "resource-based economy") and the 2 projects linked at the bottom of that page
I felt like it was my therapists way to get to know me better, more then anything else
Excellent!
There is something called evidence based treatments. Some organizations will not cover treatment that has not been shown to be effective. And the therapist have to monitor progress.