@@marthas.4456 Well said. Not only should OP go complete NO CONTACT with her mother, she should disconnect her phone number, delete her social media accounts, and get a P.O. box.
@@marthas.4456 I am concerned about the twins. Is the girl twin going to be tossed out at 16 as well. The mother signed the contract from hell for money. She deserves her life, but the twins have to be removed. The contract can be used as evidence
Yeah when the title of the vid said that she was protecting OP, I was expecting something like the husband expected the mother to pimp OP out to him so she sent OP away before it could happen. There was no protecting here, she threw out her daughter because her mere existence angered her stepfather and she wanted to keep her sad lifestyle.
Story 1: Mother made her bed and rather than break the contract, she threw her daughter out and the daughter had to survive as homeless. Let her rot in her own hell. But call CPS. With OP and Alice's statements, an investigation can be launched and those children can be removed from those horrible parents. Maybe with luck, both OPs mother and her stepdad will get some prison time too, which is well-deserved.
Yeah I'm going to have agree, We get it Alice had a horrible childhood n is a victim...BUT the only thing Op should do is sue and get the authorities involved to throw both the guy n mom in jail. The Mom has no excuse, she chose to support that JerkAH n kick out her daughter for her own selfish reasons.
Agreed, I have zero sympathy for the mom, u knowingly married a psycho subjected your daughter to that, then brought 4 more kids into that hell?? Nope I don't care how vulnerable she was, no excuse for that, my mom raised all of us 7 kids as a single parent, she worked her butt off for us, never would she have done something like this.
Story 1: All the comments in that story were way off. Did they not read when OP said that her mom was going from guy to guy growing up. Her mom chose this and signed a contract that allowed her to live a life of luxury. She wasn’t protecting her daughter by kicking her out, she literally chose money over her. The mom was not a victim, the children who didn’t sign up for this are. I’m disgusted with how people put it on children to rescue their parents from their terrible choices. OP does not owe anything to a mother who aided in her abuse all for money. If anything OP can help her siblings out of an abusive situation by calling CPS.
Yeah, it doesn’t even sound LEGAL to add how minor children are expected to act in a contract when they can’t legally agree to it. Sure a something like “if your kid breaks something, you replace it and punish them how you see fit” but to dictate how a child dresses, acts, and presents themselves WITHOUT THE CHILD’S ABILITY TO LEGALLY AGREE is disgusting! OP’s mom just saw dollar signs, she didn’t actually want to protect OP.
Story 1, take those documents to the nearest lawyer and see if they are legally binding at all. It sounds like these documents are almost bordering into human trafficking relam.
@@Allmightyimortal A parent can sign on your behalf because she was a minor and thus under her mother's care. Like divorce decrees can state what religion children will be raised in when the parents separate. It can also dictate which schools they can attend. He may claim it was for her "well being" or teaching her "professionalism" as values of his household.
@Theresa Derse-Nosacek yes and no. A guardian can sign, but op was never made aware of it. Plus the contract itself doesn't even sound legit in anyway. Kind of like the contract in 50 shades of gray.
So it's clear her mother knew exactly what she was getting herself into. She didn't care what happened to her daughter, strait up heartless. She's still the same quality of parent she ever was. Hopefully she realizes better and helps her sister to do the same.
Story 1 i don't understand her mom literally chose to marry that and sign that contract there's no excuse for that there's no sympathy for that what did the mom expect to happen if the mom didn't want that lifestyle she should not have married that guy he didn't put a gun to a head there's no excuse for that at all terrible mother I don't know why Op even calling her a mother
No way in hell would I reach out to my mother if she did this to me. She was an adult, a parent, and knew better. Stay away from your mother OP, but help your sister if you can. Doesn't matter how OP frames who these people are. NTA OP, you don't have to go if you don't want to. I wonder what these idiot commentors would do if they were in that situation? It is easy to tell someone what to do when you aren't in that situation.
Story 1: BS!! Who throws a daughter (both of them) barely legal out on the streets because of a contract?? That isn't protecting! She chose the risk of money and lossing everything in exchange for her daughters! I call BS!
You have no idea what some parents can be like generational trauma gets worse and worse. Some people shouldnt be parents, the inability to self assess and self improve destroys their children and at that stage their levels of crazy delusional reasoning and narcissim kick in, just wait the next 2 generations of mothers and single women are gonna collapse western society. Therapists are gonna make serious bank in next 40 years.
I believe Mom and Dad made this entire thing up just to be able to get rid of the next girl in the house. Mom is as complicit as anybody in my opinion. She protected her position while kicking out kids to the street. So mom sucks just as bad.
Right? Forcing them to sit there and watch him eat before they are even served? No amount of money is worth living with someone like that. Nevermind her tossing her sixteen year old out on the street.
First story. Sounds like that old story with the slavery contract, where the guy forces the woman to sign it and claims to have a network of "friends" to keep an eye on her, so she'll never escape. There was even a story on Forensic Files. It turned out that the network or company was bogus, but the woman had been kept for years and thought it was true.
But… the mother CHOSE to sign it. She wasn’t homeless. She wasn’t well off but she had a roof over her head, food in the fridge, clothes on her back, and job that paid. Maybe if she wasn’t spending all her free time banging every dude that was willing, she could have spent more time with her child. Or ever worked more hours of gone back to school. I don’t care if a single woman (or women in agreed upon open relationships) sleeps with a lot of men. That’s her business. But when it’s to the point that it effects you the people around you, then it’s a problem. Rather than look for a stable, loving relationship, she jumped in bed with man after man after man for 15 years then WILLINGLY chose to sign a contract that hurt her child.
Story 1: Who is worse, the psycho step-dad, or the mother who sacrificed her daughter to marry and stay with him? Then she sacrificed more children for the same reason? Internet answers...poor mom, what a horrible man!
I actually think she felt hopeless. I want to hate her too and she did f up bad but I suspect the methods of control he used on her put her in a state where she felt powerless. Dictating her weight and how she looked and making her wait to eat and all that stuff over time chips away at them. To the outsider it's ridiculous and she seems complicit. On the inside over time his regimen made her actually feel like she couldn't do anything. Still her fault though since she should have never moved in with him. Probably thought she could change him or he would ease up since the financial support was too juicy to pass up.
Theory crafting time. Mom in story 1 is in BDSM relationship with that man. She enjoys on some level what he does to her, but doesn't extend that to her daughters. Mom is not a good person, everyone has free will.
Yeah, I only know the bare bones basic oh 50 Shades of Gray, but that contract gave ME 50 Shades vibes. Maybe that’s where the fricker got the idea from… I wouldn’t be surprised. So many people think it’s “such a wonderful love story”… to each their own, but to bring fiction into reality like this…
@@alexismyers6053 I think the contract thing is way before 50 shades. Because how many guys watched that. Mind you I wasn't thinking about that when I wrote my response. The guy seemed to act like a dom.
@@ricardoospina5970 guys who watched/read it likely won’t admit to having seen/read it because “ew girly crap, me macho manly man.” But yea, I think it was before that because the lady who wrote it did at least SOME research before writing that… whatever you wanna call it… if what I heard about it was right, it started as a Twilight fanfic that someone liked enough to get it made into a book so the author just changed the names.
I think it was a sub/dom thing minus the kink. OP never mentioned anything out of the ordinary besides sleeping in another room and bdsm tends to involve lots of paraphernalia and not be particularly quiet. I mean they could have when she wasn't around. But I suspect something more complex. I think he is a dom and has other women which is why he has multiple contracts in his office. However these women are probably the bdsm type of sub dom deal that everyone thinks about. What gets him off is the power over women and the bdsm stuff with the other women is the price to pay to get that power. With the mother however he doesn't need to do the bdsm stuff because he controls her financially. He gets his jollies without the kink. And you know the terrifying thing? Note the age the daughters were kicked out. There's a couple of states with an age of concent of 16. No it wouldn't fly in court but that wouldn't stop a guy like this. I strongly suspect he mentioned the daughters signing a contract of their own at 16 or 17. What the contract would entail God knows but knowing how he is you wouldn't want to find out. I heard in the bdsm community that men like him totally exist since the kink naturally attracts this type and submissive personality types are less likely to shut them down so it never ends. There's a story where a bipolar wife cheated with a dom while having a manic episode. The guy "collared" her their first or second meeting which the bdsm people were SUPER freaked out over and said was an enormous red flag that normal doms wouldn't dream of doing (yeah idk I'm not into this stuff just what they said, I guess it's an important thing only after trust has been established). And the wife immediately left to live with him in another country. The husband was frantically trying to get help not to get her back but because he knew she would likely try ending herself when her mania flipped to depressive and it hit her she lost her entire life, job, husband, and is stuck with a stranger with no way to escape. She actually told him she would if she ever lost him. "Good" doms would never have pulled her from her life like that but the dude was a power tripping control freak that thinks he hit the jackpot.
Story 1: Mother is a trash person. Kicked out her teenage daughter with $100 and she was doing her a favor? Give me a break. Instead of leaving with her daughter, she stayed behind to enjoy whatever wealth she can get from that psycho man.
She wasn’t even homeless. She just didn’t have the home and lifestyle she wanted. They lived in a small but stable apartment. They had food in the fridge, gas in the car, and clothes on their backs. She just wanted more without having to work for it.
@@leadingauctions8440 not bad boys, just bad dudes. The idea behind bad boys is that they have a secret soft, gentle side only their one true love can unlock. The guys she’s attracted to are just bad with no redeeming qualities.
Story 1 -The mother is the AH, she abandoned her daughter after putting her in danger for years, the step-father is a complete AH, bordering, at least, on the criminal, Op should rescue her 1/2 sister from those horrible people. The mother put them in this situation, she deserves her life, she signed on to this as an adult, for herself, not for her daughter.
Thanksgiving. Comments that call OP an AH, tell him to "get out of his head" or other insults are uncalled for. OP has been extremely supportive; he merely doesn't care to participate himself. His wife is unfair to blame him for not supporting her. She's the one who should get out of her head.
*Last Story:* Stealing necessities such as food & water are one thing, but - as OP pointed out - the hoodie purchased w/his son’s stolen wallet was nothing more than a “flex” item for those kids, so he’s NTA for giving the little thief some public humiliation that should make him think twice next time about stealing just to fit in. The “YTA” folks know full well they wouldn’t have given the grace they insisted OP should’ve been present in mind enough to give the kid in that moment.
Yeah, if my kid stole, I don’t care what age when they do, they’d get a sore rear end and before the publicly grovel for forgiveness, while also being made to make their theft victim whole. For this, that means returning what money was stolen times 2 since OP is out DOUBLE the cost of the sweater because of this kid. If I had to pay, he would either be working chores, doing odd jobs, or getting part time work to pay me back. In fact, if he had a part time/weekend/summer job to begin with, he could have bought however many sweaters he could afford! I worked most of the summers through a job training program when I was in high school and I volunteered at my workplace (animal shelter) on Saturdays during the school year. I had my own money to buy what I wanted AND I still “enjoyed my youth” (as much as you can with parents like mine). There is no reason why kids who want something shouldn’t be told to work for it. Especially kids from low income families. Does this kid think OP’s money grows on trees? It’s annoying because I came from a lower income family and I never ONCE was jealous that other people got things that my family couldn’t afford. I never ONCE thought to steal other people’s hard earned money.
Right. Just like that one commenter said, about their child only stealing once and made them go return the candy bar and apologize, one of mine did pretty much the same (with a pink toy Barbie blow dryer) at 4 yrs old. She had already been told No, but my JNmom was with us and thought she could get me to give in and just buy it anyway. I told both of them No, I wasn’t buying it and she wasn’t getting it. Well, imagine both their surprise when I marched her lil butt back inside the store and told the cashier what she had done and made her give it back and apologize for stealing it. My JNmom told me afterwards, you shouldn’t have done that and tried to get my dad to back her up, but he didn’t. I told them both that was MY child and I was raise her and discipline her as I chose to and if they ever tried to interfere, they wouldn’t see her or be a part of our lives.
@@Sassy_Kat so glad my JNmom lives 5.5 hours away from me in another state. I can see her trying this bs. Tho, that does mean I have to se hard boundaries when I do have kids and take them to visit, but that should be fine. I plan to have an RV with a car trailer by then so we don’t have to stay with my JNfamily and can just pack up and leave at a moment’s notice. The area I come from has several nice RV parks, too.
@@Sassy_Kat I was that child at 4 years old. I wanted an extra box of Smarties, after having gotten one earlier, and I threw a tantrum, and was so fast only my mother saw me swipe a box and book it, that the woman at the store didn't see. (It was a very small town, in the only mall around, and it was a very small shop.) My mom brought me back, had me hand it back, and apologise. I was told that the punishment was that I could not go into the store without my Mom. A few years back, I joked about it when we were passing through the town for a trip, and she joked that it should be okay now.
The mother wasn't forced to do anything she chose that man and shes just as evil as the man and the commenters that are feeling sorry for the mother are gullible suckers
Even MORE evil because she's the one that brought kids into this horror story and willingly threw her kids out like trash..and she's a horrible misogynist.
Reddit White Knights will do just about anything to make single moms the victims that need help/pity in the hopes they may stumble across them and take them to bed.
I will sound cruel for saying this, but I don't really feel all that sorry for the mother in the first story. This woman thought NOTHING of *ABANDONING* her 16 year old just AS SOON AS _her own_ position and lifestyle were jeopardized. This mother gave her young, still minor _CHILD_ a mere 100 dollars and told her to *GET OUT* with literally NO guidance and NO place to live lined up for her. Frankly, this woman should be in *JAIL.* At least with OP's half-sister, mom _at least_ pointed her over to OP so that this kid at least had somewhere to go. But let's be honest; OP's mom WASN'T being held prisoner. She *WILLINGLY* agreed to her husband's demands and REPEATEDLY proved that ANYTHING that jeopardized her position she was willing to cut loose...including her own children. *TLDR;* Mom is a *WILLING PARTICIPANT.* I would also be wary of inviting a LITERAL stranger (the supposed "half-sister") to live in my house around my young child (OP mentions she had a baby) Why isn't CPS being called on mom and her husband??
Sorry , but I wouldn't get involved . Alice can easily go to CPS . She has the 40 page documents as evidence . She can easily show them to a case worker . As for the mother , there are women's shelters . And there are lawyers . She made her bed. She made her choice . Don't let that family use you for an ATM . You have built your own life . You need to walk away from that shitshow. Life is tough.
1. She is looking for who is going to take care of her in her old age. Stay away from the egg donor. And how many times does the mother need to tell OP she is nothing to her.
Sometimes I'm more outraged by the idiotic opinions responding to the OP rather than the OP's story itself. "Reach out to your mom and help her any way you can." Are you kidding me?
I don't understand the comments for story 2 he said he had no problem with his wife in her step kids going to her late husband's family for Thanksgiving but that he felt uncomfortable with it. So he's not so he's not trying to stop them from going he just don't feel comfortable going with them. The commenters make it seem like he's wanting to prohibit his wife and step kids from going over there.
@@diarradunlap9337 your right I totally forgot that Reddit thinks all men are bad. Which sucks because when men go on Reddit to get advice and they hear b******* like that it could really cause the OP to think that he is in wrong when he's not, and cause a lot more problems in their life.
I don’t know why redditors have to this stupid thing where in their mind women can’t do wrong and only men . But then again majority of them skim through stuff without reading
S2 nah your wife needs to prioritize you her husband. But the children do deserve to spend one holiday with their grandparents. They also deserve to spend time with you and your family.
I really have no pity for this mom. She chose money and perceived security over everything else. I'm sure she had such a hard life as a single parent aand was prob scared all the time but to do this to her child is so cowardly. OP could just have easily died on the street or wound up as a drug addict etc. How was that "protecting her future"?
Story #2 its nice to be flexible for the family. And keeping the memories alive for the boys. But they need to share thanksgiving day off and on with other families. You shouldnt have to give up thanksgiving every year for them. Then need to understand she has moved on. But will still visit.
Story 1: if it's true, OPs mother willingly signed. No judge will uphold such a contract. That's the life she wanted to live, including kicking out her own child.
title story: ouch. hope op gets the police involved for her mother's sake not to mention her other step siblings or she should watch her own back and get Alice out of there.
Story 1: IF this is true she is pretty much required to report this. I'm pretty sure it's a teacher thing that they report signs of abuse and ethically it would extend to outside work.
Where I live, teachers are "mandated reporters". They do not need proof of child abuse, they are obligated to report if they have reasonable suspicion.
Can say without a doubt that redying green hair to look natural doesn't always cover successfully and the green will come back through as it's a stubborn colour.
Story 2 You should consider talking to your wife about grief therapy it not exactly normal she can take the children, she making demands and you don't have to go she behaving in a sad way but your in a strange position to make you sit a thanks giving talking about a dead man and you have no objections to her going but making you go is strange
I am stopping her from going to her children’s father family for thanksgiving, just I am not simply not going. I have my own family and her family to visit, I simply do not like all that visiting.
1st story. OPs mother never protected her. She brought that man into OPs life, she threw OP to the wolves at 16 instead of leaving, she raised other children in that situation. The hoodie story. NTA. 'Bob' did not steal food or needed clothing, he stole money for a luxury item. By being made to apologize to his victim, by both OP AND his own mother, 'Bob' hopefully won't steal again, and that hoodie he wanted so desperately is now totally worthless. As for 'Bob' being branded a thief among his peers, well, he is. Also remember that his own mother explained to OPs son, in public, just why 'Bob' was apologizing, so she obviously agreed with this approach.
If he was my kid, he would have had a sore rear end and either no more allowance for a while or a new job to pay back OP and/or me. And if I was OP I would be demanding to be made whole for BOTH sweaters. He wouldn’t have had to pay twice as much if not for this brat. The fact that the mother doesn’t even OFFER is mind boggling.
Mother got just punishment for signing it in first place. Let Alice talk to police and mother. Op just enjoy life with daughter and keep her awaybfrom the craziness
@@LadyPiiyes but he has no connection to them therefore is understandable why he feels uncomfortable being there if she wants to continue having a relationship with her late husbands parents that's ok but he doesn't have to since they are strangers to him.
Story #3 if he doesnt have a father, he might have needed a gentler hand in helping him to own up. And maybe you could have talked to the boy again and apologize to him and talk to him to find out why he did it. This could have been a teachable moment for you all.
Last story: Commenter 3 is clearly a pearl clutcher. Doing it so everyone can hear can be a reminder that he shouldn't do it. Public humiliation is not a good discipline style, but there's a difference between that, and this. The kid committed a crime and he has to be held accountable. It was a common practice to do this, and it was a bit of a message to the parents that said "If you can't parent the kid, then I will for you. Get your act together." This was something parents would do, even to their kids, and force a loud apology, so that everyone can hear it. The father was being consistent, and it's likely something that he would do with his own kid. And it's good that Bob's mother was willing to play ball, and understood that he wanted her son to take accountability for his actions. And stealing isn't there to fit in. If there's a crowd that you are wanting to steal just to fit in, then it's not the crowd you want your kid to be in. Sure, the OP intimidated the kid. But the OP was being a father. And it's not just men that would do this. My paternal grandmother was a strong willed French Canadian woman, short of stature... And after a shouting down at us, she would have dragged us at the other kid's place, and forced an apology, and not as gentle as this OP. Luckily, that never happened to me. Happened to both my uncles when they were younger, though. The kid's not as likely to steal anymore, as the OP pushed for it. Ten years down the road, the kid will probably remember it, and if his kid does that, he is likely to do it as well, as it helped straightened him out, and he avoided bad decisions, happy that an adult man who was a role model, even for a minute, saved him from a bad life, and a bad crowd.
Story 2: as a widower OP has to understand one thing above all. If not for his wife's husband passing she wouldn't even be in his life at all and obviously the children need their grandparents. Last story: peak Reddit. Heaven forfend a thief be made to feel bad or uncomfortable.
He never denied them going or seeing the grandparents. All he said is that he (as in he himself) did not feel comfortable going and does not want to go again. And he doesn’t have to. That doesn’t prevent them from going.
S2: No OP is not obligated to go to his wife's late husband's family gatherings. Whether it be thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, Halloween, or World Aliens day. OP certainly can allow the stepchildren and wife to do what they want. But it would be better off if OP found a wife who would better suit his lifestyle, because this is going to affect him for the rest of his life.
Story 1. the mom saw the contract and signed it. she made her luxury bed and now she can sleep in her silk sheets and rot in hell knowing she was a weak willed woman that cared for her comforts than her children
I’m sorry but op mom in story 1 sounds pathetic. Why put your 2 daughters though that bs? For money? I’m sure op would have rathered staying poor as opposed to that bs
Story 1 - OP is allegedly a high school teacher and she is so nervous, so terrified about opening an email? Is this a mature adult? What the mother did was unforgivable. And she wasn't forced to do anything, she made poor decisions and continued to live with a monster. She could have left and sued for alimony and child support.
Story one: good grief this woman dumped you at 16 to be homeless. Who cares that she was ridiculous enough to sign his paper work. I would delete the email and move on. Why would you drag your own child into this nonsense.
Story 3 You where not exactly being fair to the child you made him apologise for theft in front of his friends for being poor have you ever gone with out your self that woman is probably going with out food to give you money,he gave the change to his mother because she probably had little or no money for food, you are a big man a super hero to humiliate a child because he just wanted something that made him fit in a little because he probably is a outsider because he suffers from poverty ,he stole his mother brought it back to you and admitted what he did and apologized to you but you took the opportunity to point out to his peers his a thief and embarrassed him and his mother,she had already punished him and she returned what she could and say she give you back the rest soon but you had to point out her poverty is she a single parent,is her husband unemployed or dead but you have the moral high ground I hope your son and his friends don't humiliate and bully him,and if your son's like you it's certainly will happen your moral high ground is going to make that boys life hell congratulations you can go to bed tonight warm with your belly full and enjoy your middle class life will that boy have that comfort being a Christian you are not short on moral but short on compassion and empathy
Story 2 I feel father did nothing wrong. It is one thing to apologize but to be put on blast it will be a forever reminder of not to be a thief. If he apologized in privet then goes home to not really get punished. He would think he can steal again and an apology could fix it. But to be put on blast and live with the shame of being a thief will make him realize stealing from people not cool. That stealing leads to real life consequences of how people will see you
Expecting you to apologize to this kid. Oh hell no. Could have handled a little better like you two go discuss this quietly yeah. But I apologize to a young man who deliberately stole something no. Oh hell no
Maybe I nodded out reading/listening to story 1 but I can’t get the timeline between OP and Alice - Alice is 15 and OP has been gone 16 yrs then many years of no contact with the dipstick momma - at what point did Alice contact her - and yeah mom is horrid - she had a job and a home why why would she even entertain signing that type of contract 🤔
S1: Baloney stories for Reddit rewards, likes, replies, comments, views, points, ranks, and money, have become seriously pain in the A$$. This story is just one of them.
S3 YTA you need to teach your son to be more careful, but your son was victimized by a theif. It's the boys mothers job to punish her son. You also need to behave appropriately toward a child.
Clearly you want that kid to continue stealing. That man did that boy far more good, than you realise. This was a crime the kid committed, and sweeping it under the rug, just to make yourself feel better, doesn't solve the big issue. The son does need to learn to be more careful, but if nothing happened, the other kid would have continued such a crime spree. Starts with a wallet. Continues with a textbook. And so on... This way, the boy was held accountable, and learned an important lesson in responsibility. This is an older method of handling such a situation, and it works, and usually is only needed once, and the kid won't repeat the crime. If the boy is old enough to steal, he is old enough to deal with the consequences, and be taught how to be a productive young man. In fact, that man probably saved the kid far more than your feelings ever could. Because he had to confront the victim, and apologise, and he was in tears, he's not likely to repeat it again. And the kid will probably be grateful that this man was a role model, that held him accountable, and taught him it wasn't right, and that it saved him from falling off the straight and narrow. The wife said the kid only did it to fit in. But what social group would such a kid, want to fit in, in order to steal from another kid? The OP didn't just address the symptom, but addressed the illness. This is how those mamma's boys that always hide behind their mothers in the JNMIL stories start. If the mother was the one that handed the wallet, then the kid would learn that he can get away with far more. The OP told him "You do the crime, you do the time." Think about the kid's future. The OP saved that kid from a life of bad decisions.
@@Keiji555 you maybe right on teaching the one kid not to steal anymore for his future but intimidation and fear are not good teaching methods if they were it wouldn't be against the law to hit your child in the US that is. Punishments are called age appropriate consequences. "You do the crime, you do the time" is for adults not kids..not sure where you live but textbooks don't really have much money to do with school anymore since everything has gone digital so it's laptops and tablets.
@@unicornjennie First off... it's a figure of speech, that is taught to kids, and oftentimes, it is used to remind kids not to steal. Second, pressure used like this is not like striking a child. That's ridiculous. An apology and confronting the person you wronged, may be embarrassing, but it's a method that is used by parents, because heart to heart talks don't really work. How would you resolve the issue, if you were in his shoes? Third, both tablets and textbooks are still present in schools. And a lot of textbooks on tablets do cost the school money, as it's likely on a subscription to some of the companies that own the rights to the textbooks. Companies do it all the time. Not everything has gone digital, and a lot of places that do have all that tech still keep textbooks, in order to avoid distractions, and because they are still useful, and with a lot of information. It's also important to teach kids about multiple sources for projects. There's a reason why I think kids need to learn how to find their way around libraries the old fashion way, and learn how to research things online. Both can help the kids in the long run. Universities and Colleges across the globe still keep their libraries stacked with books. Besides, Unis and Colleges also use textbooks, sure overpriced, but some have a lot of information that is helpful. But it was more of an example. And yes, I work in schools. And primarily with younger teachers, and they don't have everything online. Too much temptation to go on other websites. We've actually had to lock up computers and tablets, because a couple of kids would search whatever, and listen to music videos all day, without paying attention. So the school brought in the physical textbooks. And this was a class of 13-14 year olds. This was also compounded when one tablet went missing, and was never recovered. Plus, some teachers, and even kids love the feel and smell of a physical book.
Story one: Protecting you would be leaving and calling the police. Not sending you away!
She didn't only send her 16 y old daughter away, she literally threw her onto the streets.
@@marthas.4456 Well said. Not only should OP go complete NO CONTACT with her mother, she should disconnect her phone number, delete her social media accounts, and get a P.O. box.
@@marthas.4456 I am concerned about the twins. Is the girl twin going to be tossed out at 16 as well. The mother signed the contract from hell for money. She deserves her life, but the twins have to be removed. The contract can be used as evidence
@@marthas.4456 And then she did the same to her 15 year old daughter. CPS would be a gift at this point.
Yeah when the title of the vid said that she was protecting OP, I was expecting something like the husband expected the mother to pimp OP out to him so she sent OP away before it could happen. There was no protecting here, she threw out her daughter because her mere existence angered her stepfather and she wanted to keep her sad lifestyle.
Story 1: Mother made her bed and rather than break the contract, she threw her daughter out and the daughter had to survive as homeless. Let her rot in her own hell. But call CPS. With OP and Alice's statements, an investigation can be launched and those children can be removed from those horrible parents. Maybe with luck, both OPs mother and her stepdad will get some prison time too, which is well-deserved.
Yeah I'm going to have agree, We get it Alice had a horrible childhood n is a victim...BUT the only thing Op should do is sue and get the authorities involved to throw both the guy n mom in jail. The Mom has no excuse, she chose to support that JerkAH n kick out her daughter for her own selfish reasons.
@@Energywitch let’s not forget she did it twice to both the girls 16 years apart I mean sorry but I call bull crap
What ever happens to the mother, it's not nearly enough
She is the worst POS on earth!
Mayeb her husband will beat her up ..who cares
Agreed, I have zero sympathy for the mom, u knowingly married a psycho subjected your daughter to that, then brought 4 more kids into that hell?? Nope I don't care how vulnerable she was, no excuse for that, my mom raised all of us 7 kids as a single parent, she worked her butt off for us, never would she have done something like this.
Also, there's no judge in the west that wouldn't throw out that contract. She literally could of played him then walked away.
Oh heck no the mother can go into a forever box and stay there
Story 1: All the comments in that story were way off. Did they not read when OP said that her mom was going from guy to guy growing up. Her mom chose this and signed a contract that allowed her to live a life of luxury. She wasn’t protecting her daughter by kicking her out, she literally chose money over her. The mom was not a victim, the children who didn’t sign up for this are. I’m disgusted with how people put it on children to rescue their parents from their terrible choices. OP does not owe anything to a mother who aided in her abuse all for money. If anything OP can help her siblings out of an abusive situation by calling CPS.
True but then agian ..did you really expect something else from those Reddit itdiots?
Yeah, it doesn’t even sound LEGAL to add how minor children are expected to act in a contract when they can’t legally agree to it. Sure a something like “if your kid breaks something, you replace it and punish them how you see fit” but to dictate how a child dresses, acts, and presents themselves WITHOUT THE CHILD’S ABILITY TO LEGALLY AGREE is disgusting! OP’s mom just saw dollar signs, she didn’t actually want to protect OP.
@@alexismyers6053 It hasn't be to be legal as long as the other party is not trying to breag the contract due to greed
@@robertx8020 still, the child cannot be legally held to contact they a) didn’t sign and b) is not legally old enough to sign.
Yes all she wanted was money and a man to take care of her
Story 1, take those documents to the nearest lawyer and see if they are legally binding at all. It sounds like these documents are almost bordering into human trafficking relam.
Op never signed them and it included her. Thus making it illegal just on that alone. There is literally no way this thing is binding in anyway.
@@Allmightyimortal A parent can sign on your behalf because she was a minor and thus under her mother's care. Like divorce decrees can state what religion children will be raised in when the parents separate. It can also dictate which schools they can attend. He may claim it was for her "well being" or teaching her "professionalism" as values of his household.
@Theresa Derse-Nosacek yes and no. A guardian can sign, but op was never made aware of it. Plus the contract itself doesn't even sound legit in anyway. Kind of like the contract in 50 shades of gray.
@@Allmightyimortal when your a child a parent can enter a contract on your bahalf…super messed up
@@Allmightyimortal the contract from 50 shades happens in real life tho for people who do that thing lol
Where I live , a 16 year old is legally considered a minor . You can't legally kick out a minor So why wasn't CPS called on the mother?
So it's clear her mother knew exactly what she was getting herself into. She didn't care what happened to her daughter, strait up heartless. She's still the same quality of parent she ever was.
Hopefully she realizes better and helps her sister to do the same.
Straight
Story 1 i don't understand her mom literally chose to marry that and sign that contract there's no excuse for that there's no sympathy for that what did the mom expect to happen if the mom didn't want that lifestyle she should not have married that guy he didn't put a gun to a head there's no excuse for that at all terrible mother I don't know why Op even calling her a mother
No way in hell would I reach out to my mother if she did this to me. She was an adult, a parent, and knew better. Stay away from your mother OP, but help your sister if you can.
Doesn't matter how OP frames who these people are. NTA OP, you don't have to go if you don't want to. I wonder what these idiot commentors would do if they were in that situation? It is easy to tell someone what to do when you aren't in that situation.
Mom married The Stepfather, knowingly, by choice. She isn't/wasn't protecting anyone but herself.
First mom is no mother. Absolutely pathetic
Story 1: BS!! Who throws a daughter (both of them) barely legal out on the streets because of a contract?? That isn't protecting! She chose the risk of money and lossing everything in exchange for her daughters! I call BS!
You have no idea what some parents can be like generational trauma gets worse and worse. Some people shouldnt be parents, the inability to self assess and self improve destroys their children and at that stage their levels of crazy delusional reasoning and narcissim kick in, just wait the next 2 generations of mothers and single women are gonna collapse western society. Therapists are gonna make serious bank in next 40 years.
I'm so curious about the contracts with other women. Are these women that violated it before they had any children and got kicked out?
It sounds like a cult
Is that contract enough proof of abuse?
I would think so. Because no way in hell would any court enforce it in the guys favor.
Op1 story call cps get your siblings away from those crazy parents karma is coming for them
I believe Mom and Dad made this entire thing up just to be able to get rid of the next girl in the house. Mom is as complicit as anybody in my opinion. She protected her position while kicking out kids to the street. So mom sucks just as bad.
NTA and tell the school he was doing this terrible crime. Yes it's a crime. She would pay me back. That child is being backed for stealing. NTA
Story 1 - the dude sounds like some Dickinsonian villain. Shades of Oliver Twist.
Right? Forcing them to sit there and watch him eat before they are even served? No amount of money is worth living with someone like that. Nevermind her tossing her sixteen year old out on the street.
Yes!
Captain Hook would put both the mom and the husband in the 1st post into the boo box.
First story. Sounds like that old story with the slavery contract, where the guy forces the woman to sign it and claims to have a network of "friends" to keep an eye on her, so she'll never escape. There was even a story on Forensic Files. It turned out that the network or company was bogus, but the woman had been kept for years and thought it was true.
I remember that story. She was kept in a box under the bed, even in the heat of summer. Absolutely heartbreaking.
But… the mother CHOSE to sign it. She wasn’t homeless. She wasn’t well off but she had a roof over her head, food in the fridge, clothes on her back, and job that paid. Maybe if she wasn’t spending all her free time banging every dude that was willing, she could have spent more time with her child. Or ever worked more hours of gone back to school. I don’t care if a single woman (or women in agreed upon open relationships) sleeps with a lot of men. That’s her business. But when it’s to the point that it effects you the people around you, then it’s a problem. Rather than look for a stable, loving relationship, she jumped in bed with man after man after man for 15 years then WILLINGLY chose to sign a contract that hurt her child.
NTA what a ridiculous thing to do. Spend Thanksgiving with your family. That's just weird she wants you there. NTA .
Story 1: Who is worse, the psycho step-dad, or the mother who sacrificed her daughter to marry and stay with him? Then she sacrificed more children for the same reason?
Internet answers...poor mom, what a horrible man!
I actually think she felt hopeless. I want to hate her too and she did f up bad but I suspect the methods of control he used on her put her in a state where she felt powerless. Dictating her weight and how she looked and making her wait to eat and all that stuff over time chips away at them. To the outsider it's ridiculous and she seems complicit. On the inside over time his regimen made her actually feel like she couldn't do anything. Still her fault though since she should have never moved in with him. Probably thought she could change him or he would ease up since the financial support was too juicy to pass up.
I'd give her sympathy... until she brought kids into it.
I would got a lawyer! To get her out of there. She has to be willing to leave.
Why would her mother get into a relationship like that? That was just gross!
Theory crafting time. Mom in story 1 is in BDSM relationship with that man. She enjoys on some level what he does to her, but doesn't extend that to her daughters. Mom is not a good person, everyone has free will.
How can I disagree? Zero lies told!
Yeah, I only know the bare bones basic oh 50 Shades of Gray, but that contract gave ME 50 Shades vibes. Maybe that’s where the fricker got the idea from… I wouldn’t be surprised. So many people think it’s “such a wonderful love story”… to each their own, but to bring fiction into reality like this…
@@alexismyers6053 I think the contract thing is way before 50 shades. Because how many guys watched that. Mind you I wasn't thinking about that when I wrote my response. The guy seemed to act like a dom.
@@ricardoospina5970 guys who watched/read it likely won’t admit to having seen/read it because “ew girly crap, me macho manly man.” But yea, I think it was before that because the lady who wrote it did at least SOME research before writing that… whatever you wanna call it… if what I heard about it was right, it started as a Twilight fanfic that someone liked enough to get it made into a book so the author just changed the names.
I think it was a sub/dom thing minus the kink. OP never mentioned anything out of the ordinary besides sleeping in another room and bdsm tends to involve lots of paraphernalia and not be particularly quiet.
I mean they could have when she wasn't around. But I suspect something more complex.
I think he is a dom and has other women which is why he has multiple contracts in his office. However these women are probably the bdsm type of sub dom deal that everyone thinks about. What gets him off is the power over women and the bdsm stuff with the other women is the price to pay to get that power. With the mother however he doesn't need to do the bdsm stuff because he controls her financially. He gets his jollies without the kink.
And you know the terrifying thing? Note the age the daughters were kicked out. There's a couple of states with an age of concent of 16. No it wouldn't fly in court but that wouldn't stop a guy like this. I strongly suspect he mentioned the daughters signing a contract of their own at 16 or 17. What the contract would entail God knows but knowing how he is you wouldn't want to find out.
I heard in the bdsm community that men like him totally exist since the kink naturally attracts this type and submissive personality types are less likely to shut them down so it never ends. There's a story where a bipolar wife cheated with a dom while having a manic episode. The guy "collared" her their first or second meeting which the bdsm people were SUPER freaked out over and said was an enormous red flag that normal doms wouldn't dream of doing (yeah idk I'm not into this stuff just what they said, I guess it's an important thing only after trust has been established). And the wife immediately left to live with him in another country. The husband was frantically trying to get help not to get her back but because he knew she would likely try ending herself when her mania flipped to depressive and it hit her she lost her entire life, job, husband, and is stuck with a stranger with no way to escape. She actually told him she would if she ever lost him. "Good" doms would never have pulled her from her life like that but the dude was a power tripping control freak that thinks he hit the jackpot.
Story 1: Mother is a trash person. Kicked out her teenage daughter with $100 and she was doing her a favor? Give me a break. Instead of leaving with her daughter, she stayed behind to enjoy whatever wealth she can get from that psycho man.
Story #1:
That is BULL
She still chose that life over her daughter. There were shelters and she could have worked McDonalds to apy that debt off.
She wasn’t even homeless. She just didn’t have the home and lifestyle she wanted. They lived in a small but stable apartment. They had food in the fridge, gas in the car, and clothes on their backs. She just wanted more without having to work for it.
@@alexismyers6053
Well said. And based off her patterns she's simply addicted to bad boys.
@@leadingauctions8440 not bad boys, just bad dudes. The idea behind bad boys is that they have a secret soft, gentle side only their one true love can unlock. The guys she’s attracted to are just bad with no redeeming qualities.
I want an update for story 1! They should call the police
Both mom and creepy man should go to jail
Get cps involved and get kids away from mother and stay no contact with her! She abandoned you and kicked you out at 16
That man is insane and mom needs to get away from him. Help her if you can and definitely get cps involved
Bs op mother was a train wreck of a person before the step father and Op owes her shit except calling cps for her half siblings
Story 1 -The mother is the AH, she abandoned her daughter after putting her in danger for years, the step-father is a complete AH, bordering, at least, on the criminal, Op should rescue her 1/2 sister from those horrible people. The mother put them in this situation, she deserves her life, she signed on to this as an adult, for herself, not for her daughter.
There's a monster in the first story named mom
Thanksgiving. Comments that call OP an AH, tell him to "get out of his head" or other insults are uncalled for. OP has been extremely supportive; he merely doesn't care to participate himself. His wife is unfair to blame him for not supporting her. She's the one who should get out of her head.
well she could have given her some money, to set up an account in the daughter's name and put money in it so she would not have to live on the streets
The mom should have never sold her life like that.
She said she called her mother.. Then she said I don’t have her number?
*Last Story:*
Stealing necessities such as food & water are one thing, but - as OP pointed out - the hoodie purchased w/his son’s stolen wallet was nothing more than a “flex” item for those kids, so he’s NTA for giving the little thief some public humiliation that should make him think twice next time about stealing just to fit in.
The “YTA” folks know full well they wouldn’t have given the grace they insisted OP should’ve been present in mind enough to give the kid in that moment.
Yeah, if my kid stole, I don’t care what age when they do, they’d get a sore rear end and before the publicly grovel for forgiveness, while also being made to make their theft victim whole. For this, that means returning what money was stolen times 2 since OP is out DOUBLE the cost of the sweater because of this kid. If I had to pay, he would either be working chores, doing odd jobs, or getting part time work to pay me back. In fact, if he had a part time/weekend/summer job to begin with, he could have bought however many sweaters he could afford! I worked most of the summers through a job training program when I was in high school and I volunteered at my workplace (animal shelter) on Saturdays during the school year. I had my own money to buy what I wanted AND I still “enjoyed my youth” (as much as you can with parents like mine). There is no reason why kids who want something shouldn’t be told to work for it. Especially kids from low income families. Does this kid think OP’s money grows on trees? It’s annoying because I came from a lower income family and I never ONCE was jealous that other people got things that my family couldn’t afford. I never ONCE thought to steal other people’s hard earned money.
Agreed. The OP may have been that kid's role model for but a moment, but probably saved the kid from a lifetime of bad decisions.
Right. Just like that one commenter said, about their child only stealing once and made them go return the candy bar and apologize, one of mine did pretty much the same (with a pink toy Barbie blow dryer) at 4 yrs old. She had already been told No, but my JNmom was with us and thought she could get me to give in and just buy it anyway. I told both of them No, I wasn’t buying it and she wasn’t getting it. Well, imagine both their surprise when I marched her lil butt back inside the store and told the cashier what she had done and made her give it back and apologize for stealing it. My JNmom told me afterwards, you shouldn’t have done that and tried to get my dad to back her up, but he didn’t. I told them both that was MY child and I was raise her and discipline her as I chose to and if they ever tried to interfere, they wouldn’t see her or be a part of our lives.
@@Sassy_Kat so glad my JNmom lives 5.5 hours away from me in another state. I can see her trying this bs. Tho, that does mean I have to se hard boundaries when I do have kids and take them to visit, but that should be fine. I plan to have an RV with a car trailer by then so we don’t have to stay with my JNfamily and can just pack up and leave at a moment’s notice. The area I come from has several nice RV parks, too.
@@Sassy_Kat I was that child at 4 years old. I wanted an extra box of Smarties, after having gotten one earlier, and I threw a tantrum, and was so fast only my mother saw me swipe a box and book it, that the woman at the store didn't see. (It was a very small town, in the only mall around, and it was a very small shop.) My mom brought me back, had me hand it back, and apologise. I was told that the punishment was that I could not go into the store without my Mom.
A few years back, I joked about it when we were passing through the town for a trip, and she joked that it should be okay now.
I wonder if mom found out the new man was going to traffick her daughter. That's the only thing I can think of. She got rid of Alice out of fear
So instead of leaving with her daughter and protecting her, she hands her 100$ makes her homeless and bare's the guy 3 more kids...
Makes sense..
Story 1: that contract is not a legal one.
The mother wasn't forced to do anything she chose that man and shes just as evil as the man and the commenters that are feeling sorry for the mother are gullible suckers
Even MORE evil because she's the one that brought kids into this horror story and willingly threw her kids out like trash..and she's a horrible misogynist.
Reddit White Knights will do just about anything to make single moms the victims that need help/pity in the hopes they may stumble across them and take them to bed.
Last story nta ,he shouldn't go out people bag and steal.
I will sound cruel for saying this, but I don't really feel all that sorry for the mother in the first story. This woman thought NOTHING of *ABANDONING* her 16 year old just AS SOON AS _her own_ position and lifestyle were jeopardized. This mother gave her young, still minor _CHILD_ a mere 100 dollars and told her to *GET OUT* with literally NO guidance and NO place to live lined up for her. Frankly, this woman should be in *JAIL.*
At least with OP's half-sister, mom _at least_ pointed her over to OP so that this kid at least had somewhere to go. But let's be honest; OP's mom WASN'T being held prisoner. She *WILLINGLY* agreed to her husband's demands and REPEATEDLY proved that ANYTHING that jeopardized her position she was willing to cut loose...including her own children.
*TLDR;* Mom is a *WILLING PARTICIPANT.* I would also be wary of inviting a LITERAL stranger (the supposed "half-sister") to live in my house around my young child (OP mentions she had a baby) Why isn't CPS being called on mom and her husband??
Story 1: NTA, the sorry excuse for a mom is the AH and so is that piss poor dude the mom married
Sorry , but I wouldn't get involved . Alice can easily go to CPS . She has the 40 page documents as evidence . She can easily show them to a case worker .
As for the mother , there are women's shelters . And there are lawyers . She made her bed. She made her choice . Don't let that family use you for an ATM .
You have built your own life . You need to walk away from that shitshow.
Life is tough.
1. She is looking for who is going to take care of her in her old age. Stay away from the egg donor. And how many times does the mother need to tell OP she is nothing to her.
Sometimes I'm more outraged by the idiotic opinions responding to the OP rather than the OP's story itself. "Reach out to your mom and help her any way you can." Are you kidding me?
Protecting her daughter is NOT making her kid homeless cause she was worried of losing her sugar daddy.
I don't understand the comments for story 2 he said he had no problem with his wife in her step kids going to her late husband's family for Thanksgiving but that he felt uncomfortable with it. So he's not so he's not trying to stop them from going he just don't feel comfortable going with them. The commenters make it seem like he's wanting to prohibit his wife and step kids from going over there.
Misandry runs rampant in Reddit. Had the situation been reversed, they'd all be saying NTA, even for phrasing it the way he did.
@@diarradunlap9337 your right I totally forgot that Reddit thinks all men are bad. Which sucks because when men go on Reddit to get advice and they hear b******* like that it could really cause the OP to think that he is in wrong when he's not, and cause a lot more problems in their life.
I don’t know why redditors have to this stupid thing where in their mind women can’t do wrong and only men . But then again majority of them skim through stuff without reading
S2 nah your wife needs to prioritize you her husband. But the children do deserve to spend one holiday with their grandparents. They also deserve to spend time with you and your family.
I really have no pity for this mom. She chose money and perceived security over everything else. I'm sure she had such a hard life as a single parent aand was prob scared all the time but to do this to her child is so cowardly. OP could just have easily died on the street or wound up as a drug addict etc. How was that "protecting her future"?
Story #2 its nice to be flexible for the family. And keeping the memories alive for the boys. But they need to share thanksgiving day off and on with other families. You shouldnt have to give up thanksgiving every year for them. Then need to understand she has moved on. But will still visit.
Why aren’t the late husbands kids not seeing their grandparents all during the year. ???
It is weird that it is Every Thanksgiving, complex modern families work best with rotation.
Story 1: if it's true, OPs mother willingly signed. No judge will uphold such a contract. That's the life she wanted to live, including kicking out her own child.
title story: ouch. hope op gets the police involved for her mother's sake not to mention her other step siblings or she should watch her own back and get Alice out of there.
Story 1: IF this is true she is pretty much required to report this. I'm pretty sure it's a teacher thing that they report signs of abuse and ethically it would extend to outside work.
Where I live, teachers are "mandated reporters". They do not need proof of child abuse, they are obligated to report if they have reasonable suspicion.
@@rmhartman yup bingo. sounds similar to what I've heard where I live
BS. Hair doesn't grow out dyed.
She didn't say it grew out dyed. Relisten to the video.
Can say without a doubt that redying green hair to look natural doesn't always cover successfully and the green will come back through as it's a stubborn colour.
Story 2
You should consider talking to your wife about grief therapy it not exactly normal she can take the children, she making demands and you don't have to go she behaving in a sad way but your in a strange position to make you sit a thanks giving talking about a dead man and you have no objections to her going but making you go is strange
I am stopping her from going to her children’s father family for thanksgiving, just I am not simply not going. I have my own family and her family to visit, I simply do not like all that visiting.
No sympathy for the mother she did everything to herself
1st story. OPs mother never protected her. She brought that man into OPs life, she threw OP to the wolves at 16 instead of leaving, she raised other children in that situation.
The hoodie story. NTA. 'Bob' did not steal food or needed clothing, he stole money for a luxury item. By being made to apologize to his victim, by both OP AND his own mother, 'Bob' hopefully won't steal again, and that hoodie he wanted so desperately is now totally worthless. As for 'Bob' being branded a thief among his peers, well, he is. Also remember that his own mother explained to OPs son, in public, just why 'Bob' was apologizing, so she obviously agreed with this approach.
If he was my kid, he would have had a sore rear end and either no more allowance for a while or a new job to pay back OP and/or me. And if I was OP I would be demanding to be made whole for BOTH sweaters. He wouldn’t have had to pay twice as much if not for this brat. The fact that the mother doesn’t even OFFER is mind boggling.
@@alexismyers6053 She did offer, OP turned it down.
@@garthrogers2269 alright then, I must have missed that part. Thanks.
Mother got just punishment for signing it in first place. Let Alice talk to police and mother. Op just enjoy life with daughter and keep her awaybfrom the craziness
But HE shouldnt have to give up. And they can visit other times. So they are being ridiculous.
Op wife is trying to live her life with her late husband family and op needs to run from this marriage
The late husband's parents are the children's grandparents?
@@LadyPiiyes but he has no connection to them therefore is understandable why he feels uncomfortable being there if she wants to continue having a relationship with her late husbands parents that's ok but he doesn't have to since they are strangers to him.
A contract can not bind a third party (e.g. your grades)
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Last story…
Yea sure… apologize to the kid who stole from you…
Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime…
Story #3 if he doesnt have a father, he might have needed a gentler hand in helping him to own up. And maybe you could have talked to the boy again and apologize to him and talk to him to find out why he did it. This could have been a teachable moment for you all.
Last story: Commenter 3 is clearly a pearl clutcher. Doing it so everyone can hear can be a reminder that he shouldn't do it. Public humiliation is not a good discipline style, but there's a difference between that, and this. The kid committed a crime and he has to be held accountable.
It was a common practice to do this, and it was a bit of a message to the parents that said "If you can't parent the kid, then I will for you. Get your act together." This was something parents would do, even to their kids, and force a loud apology, so that everyone can hear it. The father was being consistent, and it's likely something that he would do with his own kid.
And it's good that Bob's mother was willing to play ball, and understood that he wanted her son to take accountability for his actions.
And stealing isn't there to fit in. If there's a crowd that you are wanting to steal just to fit in, then it's not the crowd you want your kid to be in. Sure, the OP intimidated the kid. But the OP was being a father. And it's not just men that would do this. My paternal grandmother was a strong willed French Canadian woman, short of stature... And after a shouting down at us, she would have dragged us at the other kid's place, and forced an apology, and not as gentle as this OP. Luckily, that never happened to me. Happened to both my uncles when they were younger, though.
The kid's not as likely to steal anymore, as the OP pushed for it. Ten years down the road, the kid will probably remember it, and if his kid does that, he is likely to do it as well, as it helped straightened him out, and he avoided bad decisions, happy that an adult man who was a role model, even for a minute, saved him from a bad life, and a bad crowd.
Op mom mde the ultimate s decision to save her daughters
Story 2: as a widower OP has to understand one thing above all. If not for his wife's husband passing she wouldn't even be in his life at all and obviously the children need their grandparents.
Last story: peak Reddit. Heaven forfend a thief be made to feel bad or uncomfortable.
Doesn’t change the fact he doesn’t have to go and be uncomfortable. He is not asking her not to go just that doesn’t want to.
True, but he doesn't have to live in another mans shadow either.
This issue with peak reddit, is that it never stops peaking higher rand higher…
It’s almost aspace elevator at this point
He never denied them going or seeing the grandparents. All he said is that he (as in he himself) did not feel comfortable going and does not want to go again. And he doesn’t have to. That doesn’t prevent them from going.
S2: No OP is not obligated to go to his wife's late husband's family gatherings. Whether it be thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, Halloween, or World Aliens day. OP certainly can allow the stepchildren and wife to do what they want. But it would be better off if OP found a wife who would better suit his lifestyle, because this is going to affect him for the rest of his life.
I’m calling bullshit. Blonde is a natural hair color.
Story 1. the mom saw the contract and signed it. she made her luxury bed and now she can sleep in her silk sheets and rot in hell knowing she was a weak willed woman that cared for her comforts than her children
I’m sorry but op mom in story 1 sounds pathetic. Why put your 2 daughters though that bs? For money? I’m sure op would have rathered staying poor as opposed to that bs
Story 1 - OP is allegedly a high school teacher and she is so nervous, so terrified about opening an email? Is this a mature adult? What the mother did was unforgivable. And she wasn't forced to do anything, she made poor decisions and continued to live with a monster. She could have left and sued for alimony and child support.
That's an adult with a great deal of trauma that needs to be seen to.
Story 1 is just a mother who wanted a roof over her head and would go to any lengths for it.
Story one: good grief this woman dumped you at 16 to be homeless. Who cares that she was ridiculous enough to sign his paper work. I would delete the email and move on. Why would you drag your own child into this nonsense.
Why would you want to talk to her when she threw you out why don’t you want to find anything out about her why?
Story 3
You where not exactly being fair to the child you made him apologise for theft in front of his friends for being poor have you ever gone with out your self that woman is probably going with out food to give you money,he gave the change to his mother because she probably had little or no money for food, you are a big man a super hero to humiliate a child because he just wanted something that made him fit in a little because he probably is a outsider because he suffers from poverty ,he stole his mother brought it back to you and admitted what he did and apologized to you but you took the opportunity to point out to his peers his a thief and embarrassed him and his mother,she had already punished him and she returned what she could and say she give you back the rest soon but you had to point out her poverty is she a single parent,is her husband unemployed or dead but you have the moral high ground I hope your son and his friends don't humiliate and bully him,and if your son's like you it's certainly will happen your moral high ground is going to make that boys life hell congratulations you can go to bed tonight warm with your belly full and enjoy your middle class life will that boy have that comfort being a Christian you are not short on moral but short on compassion and empathy
Story 2 I feel father did nothing wrong. It is one thing to apologize but to be put on blast it will be a forever reminder of not to be a thief. If he apologized in privet then goes home to not really get punished. He would think he can steal again and an apology could fix it. But to be put on blast and live with the shame of being a thief will make him realize stealing from people not cool. That stealing leads to real life consequences of how people will see you
Your mother new what she was doing because she signed the contract .I have not sympathy for her .
I am concerned that her sister/mother is doing a scam on op. She should not believe immediately but should research everything first
Expecting you to apologize to this kid. Oh hell no. Could have handled a little better like you two go discuss this quietly yeah. But I apologize to a young man who deliberately stole something no. Oh hell no
Maybe I nodded out reading/listening to story 1 but I can’t get the timeline between OP and Alice - Alice is 15 and OP has been gone 16 yrs then many years of no contact with the dipstick momma - at what point did Alice contact her - and yeah mom is horrid - she had a job and a home why why would she even entertain signing that type of contract 🤔
Story 1: leave the past in the past. Your mother is a B.
S1: Baloney stories for Reddit rewards, likes, replies, comments, views, points, ranks, and money, have become seriously pain in the A$$. This story is just one of them.
Updates?!?! Ummmm.👀
S3 YTA you need to teach your son to be more careful, but your son was victimized by a theif. It's the boys mothers job to punish her son. You also need to behave appropriately toward a child.
Clearly you want that kid to continue stealing.
That man did that boy far more good, than you realise. This was a crime the kid committed, and sweeping it under the rug, just to make yourself feel better, doesn't solve the big issue. The son does need to learn to be more careful, but if nothing happened, the other kid would have continued such a crime spree.
Starts with a wallet. Continues with a textbook. And so on...
This way, the boy was held accountable, and learned an important lesson in responsibility. This is an older method of handling such a situation, and it works, and usually is only needed once, and the kid won't repeat the crime.
If the boy is old enough to steal, he is old enough to deal with the consequences, and be taught how to be a productive young man.
In fact, that man probably saved the kid far more than your feelings ever could. Because he had to confront the victim, and apologise, and he was in tears, he's not likely to repeat it again. And the kid will probably be grateful that this man was a role model, that held him accountable, and taught him it wasn't right, and that it saved him from falling off the straight and narrow.
The wife said the kid only did it to fit in. But what social group would such a kid, want to fit in, in order to steal from another kid?
The OP didn't just address the symptom, but addressed the illness.
This is how those mamma's boys that always hide behind their mothers in the JNMIL stories start. If the mother was the one that handed the wallet, then the kid would learn that he can get away with far more. The OP told him "You do the crime, you do the time."
Think about the kid's future. The OP saved that kid from a life of bad decisions.
@@Keiji555 you maybe right on teaching the one kid not to steal anymore for his future but intimidation and fear are not good teaching methods if they were it wouldn't be against the law to hit your child in the US that is. Punishments are called age appropriate consequences. "You do the crime, you do the time" is for adults not kids..not sure where you live but textbooks don't really have much money to do with school anymore since everything has gone digital so it's laptops and tablets.
@@unicornjennie
First off... it's a figure of speech, that is taught to kids, and oftentimes, it is used to remind kids not to steal.
Second, pressure used like this is not like striking a child. That's ridiculous. An apology and confronting the person you wronged, may be embarrassing, but it's a method that is used by parents, because heart to heart talks don't really work. How would you resolve the issue, if you were in his shoes?
Third, both tablets and textbooks are still present in schools. And a lot of textbooks on tablets do cost the school money, as it's likely on a subscription to some of the companies that own the rights to the textbooks. Companies do it all the time. Not everything has gone digital, and a lot of places that do have all that tech still keep textbooks, in order to avoid distractions, and because they are still useful, and with a lot of information. It's also important to teach kids about multiple sources for projects. There's a reason why I think kids need to learn how to find their way around libraries the old fashion way, and learn how to research things online. Both can help the kids in the long run. Universities and Colleges across the globe still keep their libraries stacked with books. Besides, Unis and Colleges also use textbooks, sure overpriced, but some have a lot of information that is helpful. But it was more of an example.
And yes, I work in schools. And primarily with younger teachers, and they don't have everything online. Too much temptation to go on other websites. We've actually had to lock up computers and tablets, because a couple of kids would search whatever, and listen to music videos all day, without paying attention. So the school brought in the physical textbooks. And this was a class of 13-14 year olds. This was also compounded when one tablet went missing, and was never recovered.
Plus, some teachers, and even kids love the feel and smell of a physical book.
@@Keiji555 I know the phrase in many forms for both sayings, you forgot the other one.