LOTR The Return of the King - Homeward Bound
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- The four hobbits finally return home to the Shire, after the end of their long and perilous adventures. (HD Blu-ray)
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I love this scene because it's realistic but sad. You go back to a place you love expecting it to be the same and then realizing that it can't be the same because YOU'VE changed.
Exactly
How insightful and revealing!
I actually think this works far better than in the original books where the Scourging of the Shire happened (Saurman and his goons took over and decimated the place). Because while the Scourging shows the real cost of war, this works showing where our protagonists began only to feel out of place because of the events of the book.
janeyrevanescence12 Yes, but the book does show the way that the hobbits (especially Frodo) felt out of place; partly through the war, because they realized even more that nothing will ever be the way you remember it or imagine it in your mind. I appreciate this scene for the good acting and the theme they are trying to give, but I really wish they had left in the Scouring of the Shire. Those chapters are just packed full of character development.
I'm not saying it's a bad scene (reading it the first time made me cry like no tomorrow) although let's be fair, that movie was already running past the three hour mark and even then I was getting tired and wanted it to be over.
Final Boss: Speak To A Girl
XD
Lmao
It’s too powerful I can’t beat it
My man Samwise didn't even flinch. If he could go to Mordor, he could do anything.
More like final side-quest
Samwise Gamgee has one of the greatest endings for any character in all of fiction. He restores the Shire and makes it even better, marries the woman of his dreams, has 13 kids with her, serves as the mayor of The Shire for seven consecutive 7-year terms, he’s appointed by King Elessar as a Counsellor of the North-kingdom, and Elessar gives him the Star of the Dúnedain. And after all of that when his wife passes away and his children have families of their own Sam sails from the Grey Havens to the Undying Lands to reunite with his friend Frodo.
He's the bestest man any man can have by their side, he always cares for others more than himself, never gave in to the ring's temptation, saved Frodo in alot of situation and circumstances and literally carried him to Mount Doom.
I'm crying over here.
sams a true white nigga
@@ctb7376 👍♥️
Yeah but, volcano scene.
I just love how Sam at the start of the trilogy is too scared to ask a girl to dance. Then he goes through all the trauma of the war and saving middle earth and realised that if he can do all that talking to a woman shouldn’t seem so hard. You can just see the wheels turning in his head before he gets up and talks to her.
This
I think Rosy obviously checking to see he was there and smiling about it after seeing him was the final hurdle - after doing all that and gaining that courage in himself, if she seemed disinterested I doubt he would have done anything to try and sway her, he's too good of a person for that
@@TheArcher101 But damn, she would have missed out on a courageous, brave, loyal husband then.
well said
Our boy fought Nazgul, Goblins, Orcs, a Giant Spider, and Gollum on the foot of Mt. Doom itself I would've been disappointed if he didn't get the girl in the end.
I love that nobody in the Shire acknowledges their existence like they should. They're so removed from reality that they had no idea their lives were even in danger in the first place.
in the book they were rekt by saruman's minions
It's quite reminiscent of how War Veterans feel when they return home. Fitting for Tolkien since he fought in WWI
At the same though, everyone at the shire is the same as it was when they left. Sometimes you hear stories of heroes coming home and they the 10th degree hero treatment and can't walk the streets without people bothering them, people kissing up to them and who knows whose being genuine with them in the future and they may not like that...
It could a good thing they return to a world they knew before that didn't change and they can live exactly like they once did, but with a bigger set of balls this time..
Good point. The Shire is basically a perfect, Utopian society where people just sit around eating, drinking, and smoking weed. Better to not get caught up on the outside world and putting people on a pedestal.
as someone mentioned, in the books the shire is corrupted by saruman when they return
Lord of the Rings is really about Sam facing untold dangers just so he could gain enough courage to ask a pretty hobbit-lass out. True story.
It is the story of men - in many ways :)
Yeah cool
Sam is Savage
@@Aan_allein I agree :) I think that esp in all 6 Jackson's movies its the story FOR men/ for guys, and its about 5 ideals of personality - esp for a man.
I m a woman so I can only guess and theorise about it. :)
My theory is that LOTR - and to some extend Hobbit trilogy - are appealing on psychological level to 5 personality ideals very needed by men.
These ideals FOR guys are :
1. the ideal of mentor/teacher - or the best grandpa ever :)
( Gandalf for most of these guys who are younger heroes)
2. the ideal of king/chief/general,
( Aragorn for most of these guys, Theoden for most of them, later Eomer, but also Thorin to some extend, Isildur also)
3. the ideal of father
( mostly Bilbo for Frodo, Theoden for Eomer, Elrond for Aragorn, and as the example of unjust, cruel father Denethor - most father-figures are corrected in some ways in the 6 movies, or the sons are going to help their fathers to make their story better or save their life or their honor - these sons who save their "fathers" are Frodo, Legolas, Eomer, Aragorn and Thorin),
4. the ideal of brother
( mostly Sam for Frodo, and earlier Boromir for Aragorn "my brother, my capitan, my king", Faramir for Boromir and also Frodo for Sam - in Frodo's good moments)
5. the ideal of son
( mostly Frodo to Bilbo, Aragorn to Elrond, Eomer to Theoden, Legolas to Thranduil, even Thorin for Thror)
So guys what do you think about theory of a girl? :)
@@TallisKeeton I could make out something about Galadriel, Arwen and Eowyn but I don't think I would get it right. Similar analysis would be best made of a book written by a woman.
Each of the four hobbits were fundamentally changed by their experiences:
Pippin became more responsible
Merry became more selfless
Sam became more courageous
And sadly, Frodo lost the joy in his heart
For better, for worse, they'd changed
Merry became a fucking gangster you mean
Frodo didn't lose joy he got to see the world and gain experience and to top it off he saved middle earth
And Frodo was the only who didn't change for the better unlike the other three.
Its truly sad for frodo becoz once the ring reached rivendell, sam said we did our part, lets go home, but frodo VOLUNTEERED which was a very big thing. He later took pity on even gollum. He lost his parents, his uncle was too old to care for him and was gone. Gandalf,atleast till the end he thought gandalf was dead. He faced a lot more loss than Samwise. Inherently he is a very sweet, kind hearted hobbit. He went through a lot. Poor hobbit!!
@@adamhicks1108He did, but he sadly never fully recovered from the pain of his journey and had to leave Middle-earth.
I bet if they invited Aragorn to the wedding even being the king of Gondor he would’ve shown up just showing what an amazing person he is with even how busy he is he would’ve made the time to attend
The appendices do mention that he visited The Shire, but I can't remember when that would have been.
King of Gondor, King of Rohan, Faramir especially, and Eowyn.
All of them would have made time.
Yeah, but I think that's kind of the point: At the end of all their huge adventures, they're just back in the plain old Shire, wearing nice but simple clothes, Rosie with flowers in her hair. They kept in touch with the men and elves and dwarves, but at this moment they would have been a bit out of place.
At some point early in the Fourth Age, Aragorn issued some kind of decree that no man ever to step foot in The Shire, although it was probably a bit after these events.
WELL... I mean... Viggo was there at the filming... and full on snogged Billy Boyd to get Sean to pull a bigger smile
it's beautiful that in the book when pippin has a son he calls him Faramir.
It is beautiful but I would have prefered Boromir. After the heroic gondorian captain that would keep fighting for him even with 2 arrows in his chest.
Pallas 27 *Thane
@@cauchyschwarz3295 No character likes Boromir in the books. I'm not kidding.
Tia Aaron To be fair I feel like that was shown in the movies as well as no one in the fellowship showed any trust or liking to Boromir until he sacrifices himself. I personally feel like Pippins son still should have been named Boromir considering Boromir really did save Pippins life in that forest. Or at least had two kids and named them accordingly.
@@omegaonthefly1977 Boromir was more valiant and more likable in the movies. First he managed to get back Osgiliath (he couldn't do that in books), he was a hope for Gondorim.
In the books, he can't shut up about going to Minas Tirith and constantly questions Gandalf and Aragorn's leadership. In the movies, he says it only twice and also doesn't bother Aragorn and Gandalf.
In the books, Boromir is extremely rude in Lórien and even Haldir dislikes him. Boromir also openly insulted the Lady Galadriel and even Aragoen lost his patience with him. In the movies, Boromir is calm but grieving in Lórien and he has a heartwarming conversation with Aragorn.
Boromir was pretty liked in LotR films as a whole.
Frodo Baggins, The Ringbearer. Hero of the Free Peoples of Middle Earth.
Meriadoc Brandybuck, A True Esquire of the Riders of Rohan. Survivor of the Battle of Pelennor Fields.
Peregrin Took, A Guard of the Citadel of Minas Tirith. and Survivor of the Siege of Minas Tirith.
Samwise Gamgee, There is no title grand enough to describe this badass.
Samwise Gamgee, Gardener
Mike Moore The bravest gardener to have ever lived.
Samwise Gamgee, A True Friend.
When people search up the definition of best friend, they see the name of Samwise Gamgee.
Samwise Gamgee, Shelob's bane.
I think LOTR trilogy is just the masterpiece of our lifetime.
It truly is,we are very lucky to live in the times it was made.
This is terrible. Where are the fat black women? Where are the Lesbians and unbeatable teen girls with super strength? Where are the noble black men who are more heroic and magical than any dumb white wizard ever could be? I mean seriously, ever been to Africa? It's a paradise of wealth and technological advancement and high noble cultures. And where are the Mexican hobbits (they just want to feed their families.) And what about the drag queens whose brilliant intellects could have easily solved all the problems of Middle Earth and given that mean old Sauron a good spanking? This movie has nothing that's important about movies. God this movie sucks!
The only good one, at least.
Kung fu panda >
@@Remus786 hahaha no
I love how Sam broke the tension by going to going to Rosie. It instantly lighted the mood and everyone starts smiling and laughing.
They all knew he was asking Rosie to marry him, and she said yes! :D
It’s the start of life beginning to go on for them after their journey.
I think Tolkien would've loved this scene in particular. It perfectly encapsulates the feeling of a soldier returning from war. Tolkien knew that feeling all too well being a WWI veteran.
So did ww2
Tolkien would have hated the movies. He hated when people got even the tiniest piece of something from his works wrong.
@@peoplearemessedup He probably would've. But I think he would've been able to find some kind of intellectual appreciation for the symbolism of the scene nonetheless, even if he would've disliked the movie itself and the many changes made between it and the books.
In a way, it's the opposite of the Scouring of the Shire (anti-industrialism aside), where the hobbits come back home to find that everything's changed, that people they knew died and their home as they knew it disappeared during their absence. Instead of the home having changed, everything is mostly still the same - but the experiences they've gone through changed *them* irrevocably instead, and in spite of the alleged return to normality and life going on, it's clearly just not the same for them.
Two sides of the same coin, and both were certainly a reality for many returning soldiers.
I like to think he would have liked the movies
@@intergalacticbricksoldchan4205 He wouldn t. His son didn t like it
That moment between the four hobbits in the pub is one of my favorite in the whole trilogy and something I wish was in more movies like this. The look says, "Guys, what do we do now? After all we've seen, after all we've experienced, how do we go back to our normal lives?" It's not just on a trauma level, it's how one can expect to go back to a mundane life after such grand adventures. It's something probably every hero should have after his great quest or task is done, just a "Well, it's done. Now what the hell do I do with my life?"
It also captures the feeling of displacement. Not just because the other hobbits are completely oblivious to what happened and don't even care, but because of their experiences, the foursome don't fit in anymore. As one review said, "Wow. We have been outside the cave. We can never relate to these people again."
True. Nevertheless, Rosie still has a passion for one of the hobbits...;-)
mst3KGf See, it's funny, because in the books, the other hobbits wouldn't have been so oblivious. I understand why they didn't include the Scouring of the Shire in the movies (time constraints for one), but I feel like something was lost because of it.
mrmiffmiff "(time constraints for one)"
It's not just that. Sauron and his army is the villain. It's the climax. This is when a villain is defeated. It's supposed to be an epic, but then some people think it's a good idea to then start up a new plot device, scouring of the shire (at least from a cinematic perspective) but as a film it would undermine everything else, the large armies the climax on a volcano etc only for it to go to an occupied shire for a much smaller scale liberation. It really would. It's got nothing to do with the time. You can't just start up something new in a film. Maybe as a TV show it might work, but some people would also want the grand finale to be the confrontation at the gates of Mordor and Mount Doom, since the film is supposed to be an epic.
I came here to post pretty much the same thing, mst3. It's such a simple and beautiful scene, and in that moment everything they've been through came rushing back to me. It was almost heartbreaking
mst3KGf when I Saw the four my heart broke. IT was like I was there too withthem
Any person who has joined the military, served for years and came back to their home town understands this scene.
You could call that "One Ring PTSD"
I'm a peace time vet, was never under fire, but I know the feeling in this scene. When you come back home after being away for years, you find that everything has changed, for me even the land itself had changed. People you used to know have gone elsewhere, things and places you used to know are gone. Nothing is the same. Now you have to get on with your life, and you're not sure what to do, or how.
I want to join the military after high school. But I know that if I go to a war far from home and come back hoping to be normal. I’ll never be happy
It's any person that returns home, period. There's even a saying that "you can't go home again.
Tolkien openly denies LOTR is allegorical, but we all know it is. The only reason he survived the battle of the Somme was because he got sick and was Evac out just before his whole battalion was destroyed.
“How do you pick up the threads of an old life? How do you go on, when in your heart you begin to understand... there is no going back? There are some things that time cannot mend. Some hurts that go too deep, that have taken hold.”
― JRR Tolkein
The *silence* on the table - the most subtle and yet most powerful scene of all the three movies...
Was never in the books either
I don't know, I think when pippin butt dialed Sauron was pretty powerful.
@@Luckiestof13 I just love how that's what set events into motion: Sauron's sheer bloody confusion at being randomly contacted by a tiny stoner.
Sauron: "WHAT THE ****'S A HOBBIT!?!"
It is one of the additions I like. They wanted nothing but to return to home this whole time. Then they get home, but it just isn't the same anymore. And it is not because the Shire has changed. It is because they returned as changed Hobbits. It fits the overarching theme of pretty much all Tolkien's stories, about how even after evil is defeated, the good guys still just can't go back to how things used to be and must push forward.
@@current9300 It's beautiful how their expressions do the talking for them
That change of expression on Frodo’s face at Sam’s wedding always gets me. He wants to be happy, he wants to go back to how it was, but it just cut him too deep. He can’t even let himself feel happiness in arguably one of the happiest times there could be, because even though the ring is gone, he still has the pain of carrying it with him permanently. It’s honestly incredibly sad.
Yes. It shows that you don't need to kill a character or subject them to gruesome injury to make an ending completely heartbreaking and tragic, to still produce that sense of profound loss. This is done incredibly well with Frodo. Bravo Peter Jackson, Elijah Wood, and JRR Tolkien.
The ring is like having a mental disease
@@LeventeCzelnai Or an addiction. Smeagol became a Ring addict and it destroyed him. It almost destroyed Frodo, but the call was always there (as Bilbo revealed in FELLOWSHIP).
There is no such thing as a fully-recovered addict.
LOL pipin catching the flowers is quite epic
I think as well, when they got to Mount Doom, Frodo HAD been consumed and corrupted by the ring, he stared right into the very eye of evil and even betrayed Sam's trust, if it wasn't for actual divine intervention at the foot of the drop Frodo would have brought about the end of Middle Earth, The Shire and his dearest friends. As much as he can move on, how can you ever truly recover from that Trauma, and how can you live with yourself knowing that you subjected that fear and horror on to the one man (or Hobbit) who followed you, and trusted you unconditionally to the very end, and your decisions nearly bringing about the literal end of the world. No amount of therapy could ever help you recover from that.
The bar scene hits differently. 4 young men who've all been through trials and hardship, and let's face it, they've been through and survived a war. They realize no one else will ever understand the things they endured. The bond between these 4 will be forever strong, as with most veterans.
Sam in Fellowship: _"I think i'll just have another ale."_
Sam in Return: _"Fuck this ale."_
Sam can kill orcs and fight off a giant spider, he can talk to a girl!
Haha right? After all the shit he's been through, talking to a girl is nothing.
+Derek Mann Maybe I should go fight something dangerous then. lol
That's why he's "Samwise the Brave".
The difference is you don't care what the Orc or Giant Spider thinks about you.
I think that Sam went and kissed her, rather than talk, that's why they are all so surprised!
That look they give each other...they know their lives will never be the same. Its heartbreaking, especially if one can relate.
Or that no-one in Shire could ever understand, let alone believe what they had gone through....only they 4 knew and could ever understand.
People in shire take peace for granted, while these four know the price for it.
"but muh scouring of shire"
"These sweet dumb bastards will never know what we went through for them."
To have *four* such friends...... .
What a bittersweet ending, no one is questioning their absent, no one is wondering why Frodo is missing a finger, they are not celebrities, and the four of them are not bragging, just a humble ending for them.
The 30 seconds from 1:19 - 1:49 is my favorite bit from the entire trilogy, the haggard looks and wrinkles on each of the their faces say everything without a single spoken word.
Same here brother. Same here.
Not a single word spoken and yet so much said.
Ive always felt this is the first time they’ve figured out that nothing will ever be the same. They thought throughout the whole adventure that once they returned home, they could rest, but once they actually got home, they realize that it will never go back
Of course
My goodness dude… I love reviews like this. You definitely live an examined lifestyle. This trilogy and scene are one of a kind and ahead of it’s time. It’s just a masterpiece
Notice that hobbit with a huge pumpkin is treated like a hero, people gather around him and congratulate him, but heroes of middle earth are sitting alone and silently, nobody in shire would even Belive their story. Great scene
Yep, well said, it's a great detail. It's tragic and so human.
Is it Andy Serkis ?
He is a hero though. It takes a huge amount of work to produce a pumpkin like that. He is not as great a hero as the four, of course, but it wasn't wrong for him to have been celebrated.
One of the few moments in the films that confronted the Hobbits laziness and ignorance, enjoying their idyllic lifestyle paid for by the efforts of others (the Dunedain). Not to hate on them though, because in the scouring they rally and show what hardy and brave folk they are.
Its never too late to shake off the apathy and do what needs to be done so long as you have the courage and will.
I mean, pumpkins are tasty...
Nothing has changed, but everything is different.
thats why i prefer this to scouring of the shire
Thats beautiful
Some things change and some things do not
@@orangerichard56 same
Oddly true
The scene at the table 1:07 is unbelievable how accurate it is for those in the military when they return home. The look that only you were the one changed, life moved on without you.
10th mountain division here Iraq 2009 and Afghanistan 2012…..definitely gave me feels for sure and sometimes not in the best way
OMG that is so funny, I joked to my boyfriend during this scene "....they look like Vietnam Vets who just got home...." :D
@@CarissaConti it’s not meant to be funny tf
@@Sgtturtle22 Well, it's "funny" to me to realize that I'm not alone in what I noticed when watching this last night, as somebody who isn't a vet. But it just really jumped out at me. Then to see that actual vets are saying this means I wasn't imagining things.
@@CarissaContiit’s not so stfu and stay in ur lane
Tolkien lost 3 lifelong friends in WW1 - he himself surviving. This scene is a table of 4 veterans come home, set in a myth of his own making.
The difference is that Frodo has also that peace in his soul of fighting for good and love. On the other side, human wars have nothing but stupid causes, old men sending young people to kill each other...just hate...nothing good on it (in any side)
Actually 2. Only one of his friends returned.
Pippen did get married. He named his first son Faramir.
I wish Frodo had gotten married, too. I would like to have seen him try to be a good husband and father to his son, most likely named Bilbo or Drogo after his father, but still burdened by his experiences.
He should have named his son....
Fool of a Took.
Just Fool Took, or with middle name Oswald and Aragorn making it Fool O. A. Took
Really? What movie was that?
A chance for Faramir, captain of Gondor, to show his quality
There's one _extremely_ sublte - but important - detail that Howard Shore (the movies' composer) mentioned, regarding the use of music in the LotR movies. When we first heard the theme of The Shire, back in The Fellowship of the Ring, the main melody was played on the *tin whistle*. At the story's conclusion, when the hobbits have finally returned home, the theme is played again, but has changed and evolved, and is now played on the *flute*, echoing how the four hobbits have changed over the course of the trilogy.
It's not a detail that many would pick up (heck, I didn't know about it until recently), but it definitely goes to show the length of detail that the film's producers went to in order to fully realize the LotR story.
+StrunDoNhor The Lord of the Ring series is nothing short of the greatest masterpiece EVER to have been produced, and I've always wanted Harry Potter to be the number one, but LOTR is just too good. So beautiful and in some ways melancholic from the very beginning to the very end that it always makes me wanna cry when I've finished watching it. Unbelievable. It's exactly those subtleties, this love for detail, this pure love of Peter Jackson for Tolkien's creation that makes it the greatest ever. It's such a shame that Tolkien died decades before the films were produced and couldn't witness what Jackson made of it.
+Luke PJ I agree, and I wish he could have, too.
+Luke PJ Some people think The dark knight trilogy and star wars are better but seriously....LOTR is on another level.
Tin Whistle or Flute, the theme for the Shire NEVER fails to bring me to tears.
they levelled up
I’m an Iraq war vet, and unfortunately this is how I felt finally at home, so this scene speaks words that I can’t. 💔
cool story bro
yea, glad you guys destroyed millions of people's homes, well done
@@eifelitorn Ouch. LOL
@@chrisdawson1776 I hope you realize you went to a war that was completely illegal
@@kingolo97 Do you have a source on that?
That look they give each other... they have been through so much, and no one will ever understand, except for each other.
Ill admit even with the beauty of the elf kingdoms, and the majesty of the human kingdoms, I would prefer to live in the simplistic yet homely feel of the Shire above all else
i live in dwarfe land
+lifes40123 Belgium?
The Netherlands
Tom Portengen I never saw the prequels are any good
+Tom Portengen Hey im too!!
I loved how solemn and somber they were with all the shit they'd gone through, then Sam does something absolutely magical and they realize how wonderful life is in the Shire again.
That's a great way of putting it.
One of the best examples of "show not tell" I've seen. Without a single word, they have managed to convey a ton of things. Amazing scene.
Aye, this. It conveys more than words ever could to be honest. Top notch acting all around.
Sam's expression before he gets up to talk to Rosie. "I have traveled the length and breadth of Middle-earth, seen things no hobbit should, walked through near-literal hell. I will be DAMNED if I'm going to be TOO SCARED TO TALK TO A GIRL!"
I just realized the pumpkin was regular size, it looks big because the hobbits are small lmao
Man, Frodo's expression at 2:50, from happiness for his friend to a solemn realisation that he himself will never have that...a normal life - it is just too sad. So many people shit on Frodo, saying he "whined" too much or had to be helped by Sam too much - people forget that Frodo had the biggest burden of ALL to carry. Literally no one else could carry the ring except for him, and just carrying the ring takes a huge toll on a person. He was likely weakened and struggling throughout the whole journey, and that's why he needed help. It wasn't just a walk in the park, people! He also made the biggest sacrifice out of all the members of the Fellowship - while everyone else pretty much got their happy ending afterwards, Frodo alone did not, because he was too damaged from the trip - the burden was too much and damaged him beyond repair. He would never again have a normal life - so he literally sacrificed the rest of his life just so that his friends and loved ones could have normal and happy lives. I don't get how people can think Frodo was "useless" or not a hero - when you think of what he ACTUALLY did, you'd have to be pretty ignorant to think that. Sacrificing so much so selflessly is pretty damn heroic
And in the end HE FAILED. The Ring Took control of him and it was only because of the Rings hold on Gollum that allowed it to be destroyed
@@GreatBigRanz he didn't fail. He took the ring exactly where it should be.
@@tinynoodles4309 You're wrong. It's a tragic story. It's like to stumble at one step from the finish line. Power corrupts everything, and Frodo's burden is to carry the ultimate power, the One Ring, and not to use it. At the very end, Frodo chose to take it : "the Ring is mine". Anyway, evil always dig its own grave, so Gollum was here for his own agenda. Frodo helped to save the world, with the most difficult job, but he is now a broken man, mainly because he failed in the ultimate time.
Well said.
There's that moment when he declares that he'll take it and for just a moment Gandalf closes his eyes in pain and sadness. He knows- and Frodo doesn't, not really- what he's just signed up for.
I got out of the military in 2016, I started traveling for awhile. This scene embodies the out of place feeling I had when I returned home. You quietly look into your beer and think about the road and all you have done.
Never going to be the same place again hmm? Such sacrifice you do for us man. #Respect
Even when you return from vacation the home feels oddly different
The difference is that Frodo has also that peace in his soul of fighting for good and love. On the other side, human wars have nothing but stupid causes, old men sending young people to kill each other...just hate...nothing good on it (in any side)
2015 for me. Lived on my own since I was 18, in different states across the country. Constantly missing my friends, my family. The familiarity of home and the things that make it home. I finally made it back home in late 2016, and everything about the pub scene is exactly how I felt coming home. I felt joy, but I felt reflective on everything that got me back home. I always expected I’d come home and everything would be different but to my surprise, home was the same. I was different. A very somber feeling honestly.
@@EthanCruise what do you mean for us? going to any military cause is going to a stupid cause, does not make sense man
When you learn that Tolkien was a WWI veteran, you can only imagine what it was like for him to return home after the war, much like Frodo and his bros.
I can see how Tolkien really wrote this story about his experiences in WW1. The hobbits returning to the Shire after such a life changing experience is exactly how it feels returning from the military. Thank you Mr. Tolkien for creating such a beautiful masterpiece that myself and other veterans can use to help move on.
a bite late but whatever....in the books its different...like 100% different.
@@florianfrueh3282 not so different
@@asm7406 .battle of the shire?
Tolkien was born in rural South Africa as far removed from the seats of power as the Shire from all the kingdoms of middle earth. The family returned to England about the time he was 10 and his mother raised him alone.
@@florianfrueh3282 I read the books it wasn't that different.
I love the grumpy hobbit reaction in 0:53. He doesn't know what those "young punks" were doing all this time. He doesn't know.
He smiled at Frodo (gentleman) but frowned at Sam (servant) who was mixing with his 'betters'. This catches the pre-WWI rural society that Tolkien said the Shire was about (and my father was brought up in) very well. He said the hobbits' short stature signified their ignorance of let alone concern with matters other than their own affairs.
Michael Cousins O'Neill no you're wrong. Tolkien said that his books were not based on the real world. And besides this farmer was fond of Sam and disliked frido for stealing mushrooms
well Maggot forgave Frodo for stealing Mushrooms, as that was like 40 years earlier
Reaper
Of course The Lotr is not based on real world, do you think hobbites exist?
Tolkien while writing his books took inspiration from the world around him, and he said many times that Lotr was a tribute to the disappearing world of the English countryside, I mean the *shire* is obviously based on the British countryside.
Kiwi MGTOW PROUDFEET!!
This reflects how Tolkien felt when he returned to England after fighting in the First World War. The horrors he’d seen, the friends he’d lost, the trauma he’d experienced, the pain and suffering he’s endured - it was something only the soldiers who fought the War would understand.
Does anyone else go on a LOTR movie marathon and end with this scene...and find themselves feeling really strange and empty but not necessarily in a bad way? Just in the way where you feel like the hobbits- not quite the same in a farmiliar place.
When major changes happen, you never return to normal. Only a new normal. Truly a deep meaning.
Yes
Yes. I don't know why. Nothing makes me feel things like LOTR does. It's inexplicable.
it must be a strange feeling coming home after such a long time, when you've gone through so much and you've changed, but at home everything and everyone stayed the same way you've left it.
Sarah M I wanna talk like that exactly thank you
That's the way I felt after my 2 trips to Afghanistan
I know it's not the same, but this is how I felt when I finished college. I had so many stories, in-jokes and experiences that nobody back home would understand. Nothing felt familiar even though nothing had changed
2:05 "I have travelled in all the Middle earth, i faced and killed hundreds of orcs, i triumph over a giant spider, i help destroy the ring and i don't have the courage to propose the girl i loved?! Time to settle this, I'm Sam Gamgee The Brave!"
+Alexandre Beaugrand A real hero
And for some reason his friends laugh like he messed something up. I get the feeling Sam might have slipped on his way to say hello and Rosie noticed and went to help him up.
I got the feeling they were laughing with happiness, and also relief at this bit of a return to normalcy.
than she was like "What are you talking about?"
actually, I believe sam was the main reason for rings destruction...
1:00-1:49 musically is so beautiful. So nostalgic. It also is such an impactful scene. As they are sitting at the Green Dragon looking around everything is exactly the same. But it's not. Because they are not the same anymore. They can never really go back home because they are changed. Such a poignant and bitter moment. It's what nostalgia is.
2:16 that face you make when your friend is actually going to talk to their crush.
I know poor Frodo
Thebbookgirrl101 huh?
*****
at some point the line between gay and hetero kinda...fades out though
*****
gawd, I was joking
I think he was doing more than just talking to her, from the looks on their faces :)
So this is what people who went to war feels. They fought for their loved ones, saved the world and yet people don't appreciate them, it's kind of sad.
The beer would be the most tasteful one ever....
Just remember when you see a WW2 vet there are so few left now... You thank them and appreciate what they did the way this Trilogy played out can be related to the great World War in many ways
It's not that they don't care, it's that they don't understand.
spit on me in my homeland - rooster, AiC
@@timovangalen1589 And thank God for that, that the four hobbits endured so much so that their kin would never have to go through it themselves.
This film series is amazing, but I can't begin to imagine it without Howard Shore's music. The man is a genius.
1:13....These 4 Hobbits saved the world & suffering from PTSD & the innocent unaware Hobbits are getting happy over a GIANT Pumpkin😂😂😂😂 gets me every time
of course, the hobbits dosen't know, that the shire and middle earth was in such danger
I think the scene of them sitting at the table and silently understanding each other is a perfect analogy for people who returned home after war forever changed. Life goes on around them as it always did, and yet they are always a little bit on the outside, because no one who has not experienced war can really understand them.
also it tells their feeling of kind of embarrassment because they didn't get the "welcome home heroes!!" greetings they had expected. Certainly people in Shire doesn't care about what happens outside their homeland :) Even during these 13 months of great changes... I bet they didn't even know the 4th era had begun.
They adjusted eventually -- other than Frodo who was too badly wounded so passed over Sea with the bearers of the Three Rings. Sam went on to become Mayor of the Shire (not of Hobbiton as it said in the movie), and both Merry and Pippin became the lead Hobbits in their own families after their fathers died. The adventures still left their mark; they still maintained contact with the world beyond the Shire.
American? yeah, no one appreciates your wars
@@caliscribe Also, Aragorn added new land to the Shire, the Westfarthing, and Sam's daughter was the matriarch and one of the lead citizens among the Hobbits who lived in that region
Its curious you said that, because Tolkien based this part in concrete on the books (when they return to The Shire and see that Saruman has converted into an industry place) and its funny, he made the ending after all he saw and feel in ww1 also the industrial revolution.
Things will never be as they were. Not because your home has changed but you have changed.
They may have cut the scouring of the shire, but this is still one of the best film endings. Not many films have the courage to have a 20 min coda following 3 hours of action.
I'm actually glad they cut the Scouring 🥺 I completely understand the symbolism of coming back and having the war not be over, to rebuild after suffering, but I just can't see that for the movies. These four deserve to come home to a Green Shire, and it drives home the point that THEY changed while their home stayed the same 💔
@@HiHi-lt1cb But the point in the book is that Sauron's evil affects the whole of middle earth and the scouring emphasises this point.
However, I agree with you that it is almost impossible to adapt the scouring in a cinematic form.
After all, we already saw the epic moment before the Black Gate and dropping of the One Ring with Gollum back in theatre…. do we really want to sit some more for 15 something more minutes of more action? We really want to see loose ends tied up and just see how 4 Hobbits acts back in the Shire. So much craziness has happened in past three movies, why add in the Scouring and drag the movie out more?
@@arjusarauis9901 agreed
One of the things this movie changed for the better.
I love everything about this scene, so much hidden meaning. I also love that after all that Sam had been through he still needed to take one more drink of courage to go speak to the beautiful Rosie. I also love how Rosie peeked to see if Sam was watching her.
One more drink of courage? Nah. He just didn't want it to go to waste.
@@stephensczurek6286 LOL Hilarious!
They leave as boy's, they return as men
In some way you are right. In the books, Frodo was 51 (as far as i remember) when he leaves the Shire...
Helena RG And by hobbit standards, that's barely out of his teens, right?
Tyler Brake
Yeah. It is. :D
Tyler Brake Not really, they turn of age at 33, and so 51 makes him middle aged.
Ah.
Wait....did they all just look at each other like, "well that's the wildest thing we're ever gonna do", then Sam saw his bae Rosie Cotton and wordlessly said to his boys, "Hold My Beer."?
LMAO! Priceless! Best comment on here!
My head canon here is always that he walked up to her and kissed her haha.
lol!
I love that all the 4 hobbits , have a story of their own . They all endured a challenge doing their part of destroying the ring . A story i would love to see each other explaining what each went through. This trilogy will forever have a special place in my heart
Fights a giant spider, yet still needs a swig of ale before he goes and talks to his crush. Sam's adorable.
I love how Sam was able to return from countless perils to the calm and mundane of The Shire, and unlike Frodo who couldn't simply exist in his home again, Sam found happiness in his wife and family. It's really a beautiful thing. He deserved it after all that he went through.
Sam is the true hero, and got the best ending. Everything turned out as it should.
@@petscraftsandwonderfulthin1279 yes, this is true.
@G E T R E K T after rosie died i believe, then he gave the book to his daughter goldilocks (if i remember correctly)
In fact, the ring did affect Sam slightly.
@@asm7406 what's fascinating is that in the trilogy, Sam was by Frodo's side from beginning to end and not once did he show signs of being corrupted by the One Ring.
The ending for this movie is truly one of the most emotional things you can experience in any type of media
1:41 me and my boyz going back to our old bar after Corona is over and knowing nothing will be the same
1:53 He fought trolls, orcs and goblins, survived the Nazgûl several times and beat Shelob's ass in a duel. "I think I can do it now." 😊
The lack of spoken dialogue in this part--especially when they're back home at the pub, and can't begin to even make sense of all they've been through--is so stupidly powerful at this point.
There hasn't been a day that goes by where I don't think about that guy and his stupid pumpkin.
in this small moment we can also see how very humble Frodo was. Look at this that way - he is the saviour of the world, the friend and counselor to the High King, and as the Shire is also part of the reunited kingdon of Arnor and Gondor (Shire was in Arnor part) Frodo was made lord of this kingdom. Elves translated his name as Daur Iorhael - Lord Iorhael. And he just handles mugs of beer to his friends. And this pumpkin guy collides with him. :) And Frodo is the one who says sorry :) Who could behave such way on his place? :)
Took me a while to realise it was Andy Serkis
@@minhajnizam5090 Wow I never knew that! I guess it took me 17 years to realise lol
@@TallisKeeton Yes. He's utterly without selfish ambition. It's what made him the perfect ring bearer. Very moving.
It's been so dark for such a long time that this light hearted moment is exactly what we needed. This movie is truly a masterpiece.
2:10
Pippin: "I fought Orcs and Trolls, but that..."
Merry: "...that is bravery."
They avoided the "Scouring of the Shire" to keep the concept that the Shire was this beautiful, untouched place that the hobbits would come back to. But, like we saw in the movies, the books showed that hobbits are versatile folk and fighters, marksmen and stronger than you'd think. My take on it: Don't mess with Hobbits.
Hobbits apparently have an affinity to throwing stones accurately.
ElFrawggito I kinda like how the movie skipped it. I always felt the Shire Scourge was an unnecessary part of ROTK. The Hobbits didn't need a final stand moment in my opinion. Having the protagonists return to The Shire, each of them changed from their ordeal, but knowing their actions saved and kept their home untouched is fitting.
@@TheSiscoKid2112 It's literally the most thematically significant part of the whole work and the movies lose a shit ton of depth for glossing over the anti-industrialization themes.
@@brooksboy78 Ehh...I think all the added Isengard parts we didn't see in the book perfectly capture the anti-industry theme. And a vision of the scouring was seen in the mirror of Galadriel.
@@brooksboy78 It’s a consequence of the medium. In film, you can’t have more action after the climax, which was Sauron being defeated.
This scene shows a very simple truth about wars: the ones who live through it will never be the same. They are scarred forever. You lose a part of your innocence and soul. Another reason why war is despicable.
Juan Rodriguez But sometimes necessary, alas. When a wicked enemy declares war on the world, as Adolf Hitler did, it becomes necessary to make war back.
Sam finally having the courage to go up to Rosie always gives me goosebumps
Love how Sam see's Rosey, takes a swig of his ale and goes for it!
He walked litterally into hell and back, he'll be damned if he can;t get the girl in the end.
It only took the near destruction of Middle Earth to get Sam to go after her.
I actually preferred this to Saruman's attack on the Shire.
Saruman's attack showed more horrors of war, which we'd seen throughout the series. Jackson wisely opted to instead illustrate the bittersweet feeling veterans get when they realize just how much they've changed due to the course their lives took.
This small moment was more powerful and more impactful than an enraged wizard.
And it's not so much that they don't feel appreciated. They've outgrown shallow things like pride. The disappointment on their faces is more because they know they don't really fit into this small world anymore.
Even in the books, the Shire ending was anti-climatic. It could certainly be trimmed out, but doing so had a much different ending than the book.
I prefer this ending, although I don't mind the book ending as the Shire isn't affected too horribly, mostly just trees and such are cut down. The point Tolkien was trying to make is that evil takes root unless good people act against it and the Hobbits are self-realised and have their own agency now. But it works better in book form.
Agreed this was better..the Saruman stuff wouldn't have fitted the movies at all and felt really forced
Agree there are some parts in the movie where its really better than the original climax
Jackson made the whole LOTR a lot better
You completely missed the point of the scouring of the shire, which is quite literally the thematic climax of the whole story and probably the most important aspect about the work in general.
many a veteran can empathize with our little heroes on this one. Life is never the same after coming from war but must be enjoyed and cherished, nonetheless.
I love this scene so much not a single word is said yet you know exactly what they’re thinking.
These hobbits clearly have PTSD.
redwater24
Nah. Hobbits are a thousand times braver than any man.
At Fodo did. That is why he had to sail to the west.
Merry and Pippin still went away from the Shire in the end. First they went to Eomer, then they went to Aragorn. Then died and both were buried in the tombs of Minas Tirith.
Sam went to Valinor.
@Josh JeanJacket Jaeger k
2:02 Didn't bother this one.
Well done sam... Well done
He gets a cute maiden in LOTR
But in 50 First Dates...well...
In the spring of 1421 (Shire Reckoning) Master Samwise Gamgee married Mistress Rose Cotton, and it was the best thing he ever did.
Savage!
He certainly earned his title. Samwise the brave indeed
The music accompanying this scene is so incredibly beautiful.
I always smirk at the varied looks between Merry, Pippin and Frodo when they see their homie go off to shoot his shot. It feels so genuine and I love it.
They aren’t your homies if they don’t have those looks or that connection when you go to shoot your shot with someone haha!!
I imagine all four of them would have severe PTSD and readjusting to the simplistic life in the countryside would be a somewhat timely struggle.
Dae Dalus but they got weed . much weed. they should be cool
2509maxi Old Toby ... finest herb in all the Shire.
Frodo actually did, which is the reason he left
yet Frodo was the most damaged to continue on in this world and why he left with Gandalf to the other world, because as Frodo says in the next scene "I am to damaged to continue on". So he leaves everyone and everything behind, because he knows that he's to damaged and I think will never be able to get married to a girl have kids etc
I'd like to know if the Shire got more visitors from the tales of Bilbo and Frodo.
Easterling: So the guy who killed Sauron...came from here.... Note to self,never fuck with the Shire...
Dam strait, you don't mess with the Shire!!
Straight outta the Shire!
A Hobbit: Hello there!
Easterling: OH FUCK NO DONT KILL ME!
A Hobbit: :/ umm.....what..?
+Shannon Claire That made me laugh I don't know why
Actually funny thing is that the shire was taken over By Saruman and a bunch of rogues from the south. Merry, Pippin and Sam basically roused the Shire and drove them out, the lesson they maybe small but hobbits are insanely tough and when roused are a force
Sam’s story arc is exactly what we want for everyone like him; for someone with such selfless devotion to be rewarded in very concrete ways while still alive, not just awarded meaningful recognition after death. Life rarely happens like that I’m afraid; the golden hearts among us go unnoticed, are taken for granted, or taken advantage of; but seeing him finally win at life makes all that he endured so very worthwhile. Such a great character.
One of the subtle things I love about this scene is the filter over much of it. It almost makes this whole sequence feel like a dream, and yet it's reality. After all that they went through their life is now a something many people can only dream of.
Same goes for the very last scene of the film. Rosie and Sam practically float across their garden and through their front door. It feels like an unreal moment in its smooth, dreamlike quality.
Those survived war, died mostly inside.
I wouldn't say so with the Hobbits
I'd say they've ventured out, slain the "dragon," rescued "the princess," and just returned home where things were as they was. They've changed and grown as characters, but their home has stayed the same.
Its that somber moment realizing the world was on the brink of death and all they loved around them would have burned.
Each thinking how it all could have gone wrong. Yet somehow, didn't.
@@PhilipJFry-qh2jg: Actually in the book their home hadn't remained the same (chapter Scouring of the Shire). There Saruman died later in the Shire because the four Hobbits came home and noticed that Saruman had put everything - the mindsets, the economy and the rules upside down. He did it in part because he was a wizard made into an exiled beggar by Gandalf and in part because of revenge. The rules that he made were reinforced by "sharers" that were actually half orcs.
But they rebuilt everything over a period of time, even better than they were.
Merry and Pippin aren't that damaged
@@twinkthatloveslotrtrilogy7676 I wouldn't say undamaged either. They had the freedom from The One Ring so they never had to touch it to feel its burden directly, true.
But Boromir died defending them. Pippin watched Denethor attempting to kill Faramir along with himself, and Merry lost King Théoden in the battlefield and he liked the king quite a lot. And they had to kill as well because they volunteered to serve these two rulers. I don't think anyone comes out of that at least without some kind of change.
Frodo was the most damaged of course. All the other three hobbits went on to get a wife and many children, but Frodo had no future in the Shire because of his wounds.
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+Ahad Qureshi Looooooolollol
I disliked too. Where about now :)
TheEgesko
Nine ringwraiths, Sauron and Grima wormtongue then
+Farah Alzubaidi Oh fuck. you are too good at this :(
When you realize Lord of the Rings is about the loss of innocence..... This scene hits hard, for the PTSD of their long journey will be with them forever. It’s this scene that makes this trilogy a masterpiece.
I’m not crying, you are 😢
I love that lil moment when they look at each other. Like they said, Nothing has changed but everything is different
I LOVE the looks that they give each other when sam goes to propose to rosie. They're just like, "haha called it!"
Same!
I think, from their expressions, he walked over, turned her around and gave her a big kiss.
My thoughts on the pub scene, the guys know what they have gone through. They have been changed by it. And they could probably tell everybody what happened and how the Shire could have been wiped out.... But they don't. And I think I know why: Not only would no one believe them, but they also probably don't want to disrupt the lives of those who dwell in the Shire. Hobbits live in their own world away from the troubles of mankind with their own thoughts and troubles. It would be kind of wrong to disrupt all that. Why ruin their peace of mind with their own adventures? Besides, they know what they did. They know they saved the world. And I think that's enough for Frodo and the gang.
***** And if the other Hobbits ever did get curious as to where they were for over a year, they can just point to Frodo and say "He's got a book for you to read. Ask him about the Lord of the Rings."
***** In Tolkien's later writings in the setting, he writes about delegations from other nations coming to visit the Shire. So obviously word got around at some point.
***** I disagree. I feel as though them sharing that drink in the pub was them realizing that they can never truly go back to The Shire. In a way, their adventures took away their innocence. They've all been at the wrong end of a sword, traveled through hell, seen horrors few can dream and far more. Now they can no longer relate to their friends and neighbors. They didn't set out looking for glory or honor, but peace. That quest for peace caused a lot of grief and hardship for them and most of Middle Earth. They literally just came back from war, so to see people parading pumpkins around and arguing over little things really puts it into perspective for them. They now know things that nobody else in The Shire will ever be capable of comprehending, and they have to live with that. At least that's my interpretation.
+eastwing329 The books actually show that the Shire was scared in its own way. Not shown in the movies though for obvious reasons (not enough time)
+DanielForce2457 I see it the exact way! The look on their faces just expresses so much melancholy and the once innocent Hobbit minds ( esprecially Pippin and Merry) are now burdened with so much understanding to the big Events in Middle Earth. After being through so much and seeing so much the easy life of Hobbits just seems impossible to live for them from then on. Just as Frodo says later : "Some wounds cant be healed, even by time!"
One of the best Scene in the whole trilogy!!! Love the movies!!
The casting in this movie was just perfect. These friends are truly believable.
I love how Eowyn just adopts merry and pippin just loves faramir, it’s so cute 😭
It's funny how those guys cheering over pumpkin while those who saved their asses (world) are sitting next to them
I love how Sam's eyes grow wide when he sees Rosie!
Эх иногда так хочется вернуться в свой маленький городок где вырос. Пройтись по улочкам встретить едва знакомых людей. Всегда вспоминаю те деньки когда играет эта музыка. А ведь я и не догадывался что это будут прекрасные воспоминания
Tüm anıların ayrı bir güzeliği ve hüznü vardır bir insan tüm anıları yaşamalı ki insan olduğunun farkına varsın. 🚬 🐺
Just seeing Frodo laugh again after so long, brings so much joy to my heart
Pippin looking contemplative and somber is one of the saddest things in the movies. He is usually so upbeat and positive, but to see his mind wrestling with all that he experienced during the adventures with the fellowship and the war of the ring breaks my heart. Absolutely perfect acting by Billy Boyd.
So, when Sam married Rosie was Frodo the Ring Bearer?
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@@OneGoldenCat Yes this is a good one ;)
No it was already destroyed by then, thankfully.
@@mikegallant811 Checking if you get the joke
@@glydoughnut9432 oh now I get what you mean..... Idk if he was their ring bearer. Maybe best man tho?
Reminds me of my fellow vets coming back home to cheering civilians and trying to get back to “normal”.
hits harder seeing merry and pipin so quiet when back at the pub, contrary to their old rowdiness
They're all sitting there in silence...all the shit they had been through...people congratulating someone on his giant pumpkin and they have no clue what the four of them had done
Is it me or is that Andy Serkis polishing the pumpkin...?
@@bodkinofnurk8898 It is Andy Serkis. It's like he's been rewarded with a happy Hobbit life for his role in destroying the Ring.