SLIP TEST - 4MOTION vs QUATTRO - HALDEX vs TORSEN - VW Golf & Audi S3 vs VW Passat & Audi A4
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Test on rollers:
Volkswagen Golf IV 4Motion (2002)
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Audi S3 8L 1.8T Quattro (2000)
vs
Volkswagen Passat B5 VR5 4Motion (2003)
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Audi A4 B6 1.8T Quattro (2003)
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This video clearly shows how little use all-wheel drive is if the driver doesn't know how to use the system.
Explain then how to use each of the systems.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers A Torsen Quattro and a Haldex all-wheel-drive system differ in their fundamental design and torque distribution mechanisms.
Torsen Quattro:
Operation: Torsen stands for Torque Sensing, and in a Torsen Quattro system, a center differential with a Torsen-type design distributes torque between the front and rear axles. It senses torque differences between the axles and directs power to the wheels with better traction.
Starting off: In some situations, such as when one wheel lacks traction, a Torsen Quattro may experience difficulty sending power to the wheel with traction. Torsen differentials are effective in distributing torque, but they rely on some initial traction to function optimally.
Haldex AWD:
Operation: Haldex systems use a central clutch pack to engage the rear wheels based on input from various sensors like wheel speed, throttle position, and more. Unlike Torsen, Haldex is more of an on-demand system, engaging the rear wheels when necessary.
Starting off: Haldex systems are known for being more front-wheel-drive biased during normal conditions. They engage the rear wheels when slip is detected, making them effective in various conditions.
In situations where a Torsen Quattro might struggle to start off with only one wheel having traction, the driver can assist by using good driving techniques:
Balanced Acceleration: Apply smooth and balanced acceleration to avoid excessive wheelspin.
Limited Slip Differential (LSD): Some vehicles equipped with Torsen Quattro may also have LSD on individual wheels, aiding in better traction.
The driver can simulate traction on all wheels by braking lightly, even if only one wheel actually has traction. In this way, the weaknesses of the Torsen Quattro can be compensated for when starting off.
It's crucial for the driver to understand the vehicle's capabilities and limitations, adapting their driving style to suit the conditions for optimal performance.
@@marks1270 You have copied some beginners definitions which has nothing to do with the drivers in this test. All of those advises are completely useless here cause this test simulates situation when grip difference exceeds the TBR of torsen so you may apply smooth and balanced acceleration - that will change completely nothing. None of these cars is equipped LSD neither. And when it comes to applying the brakes - that's what EDL system should do and that's what we are checking in this test. Summing up - your first comment misses the point.
If this test is intended to show the pure functionality of the all-wheel drive systems, then this test is still not representative, as different drivers who accelerate and brake differently create unequal conditions. In this sense, the driver's interventions do have an influence on starting with an all-wheel drive vehicle. If all drivers had acted in the same way in this test, the results would have been different.
@@marks1270 Drivers do not use brakes in this test. They are just pressing accelerator to a certain level and keeping it steady, waiting for the reaction of the system. Both cars with torsen were reacting almost the same way, both cars with haldex were also reacting almost the same way.
the golf was very impressive!!
This was disappointing to see.
Finally the evidence I have been waiting for. The only way to bring Torsen down to the performance level of Haldex is by adding those nasty yellow stickers to tyres.
Golf was best of all
Interesting video and i am surprised by the Golf. But i have a passat B5 with torsen and in real life I don't have a problem with it. It always performed well.
I am saying neither this is an unfair test of these awd systems nor am I saying I think they are perfect. These roller tests in general simulate an ice patch under various combinations of vehicle corners- from a standing start. A valid test of one kind of driving condition. But how effective are these systems at speed on mixed dry/ slippery pavement? I have no idea how this could be simulated, but I do know that fully-lockable 4wd (or awd for that matter) with fully-lockable front and rear differentials as well works best with this kind of test. But it can be outright dangerous on slippery, windy pavement. So, the "best" awd/ 4wd system is a deeper question and situational as well.
Here is video about roller tests vs real world situations: th-cam.com/video/926i0zqteXE/w-d-xo.html
I get the point but if we talk about traction here you just need to be able to lock up. Both the passat and the A4 has torsen only in the middle and open diffs at both ends. That is just an starting price of AWD systems. You really need lockable diffs or LSD to get the power to the ground properly. OR a really good computer aided system with proper sensors which these older cars does not have.
5:40 very neat to see the torsen system try to find traction by stopping the power to certain wheels
If only it just had faith in itself and locked em up for a bit longer
That's not torsen stopping and locking but EDL/TC.
from what I've heard, to make esp work for older models more efficiently it is a good idea to install rebuilt calipers or rebuild them;
they may seem to work okay with foot brake and not be sticky, but for esp it could be important
no hands-on expierience on testing that though
Well this is the result of not having limited-slip differential(s) or differential lock.
I would love to see Audi S6 vs S4 from C4 era. So one with the lockable rear diff (with the button on the center console) and one with the EDL (No button to lock up)
Here's S6 C4 with EDL: th-cam.com/video/Yux9aeWqIt0/w-d-xo.html
I wonder how much they would improve with welded diffs
Im pretty sure 4motion in passat b5 was on torsen from audi but dont know what gen i think gen 4 as my quattro in A6 C6 is gen 4 2005r. well audi torsen didnt great.. could be better but on the snow seems to doing better job
Surprised to see the Haldex doing so well and disappointed in the A4 quattro lol And what was that sound the A3 was making after it got off the rollers??? Werid!
That is the sound of fast spinning rollers, it doesn't come from car.
what about b5.5 passsat with haldex? transversal engines mount that system instead of torsen. You should try both to watch which is better in this test. my 2004 passat b5.5 says haldex on the user manual
There is no haldex in any Passat B5 or 5.5. Transversal engines are in B6 and later.
that blue Suzuki Swift Sport is always in these vids! nice color
Good perceptiveness 😉
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thank you! it looks very nice!
@@midnighthoon788 And it drives better than it looks 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yeah they are very good! one question: impressed by that AWD on Golf 4 (what system is it?). and in real wormd which one would ve better? - the torsen on the Audi A4 or the one on the Golf? thank you!
@@midnighthoon788 Golf 4 has 1st generation of haldex. Control software those days wasn't advanced, reaction time of clutch-pack wasn't fast to, so I would take torsen. Nowadays situation is different.
Witam,
Czy próbowaliście nadusić lewą nogą na hamulec podczas jakichkolwiek prób? Słyszałem ze znacznie pomaga ukladom rozdzielić moment na odpowiednie koło podczas testu na rolkach.
Witam, próbowaliśmy w Audi V8: th-cam.com/video/R10r396Laho/w-d-xo.html
W samochodach z TC/EDL system ma to zrobić sam, wiele nowszych aut ma też priorytet hamulca nad gazem, więc trick nie zadziała.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
Can you explain to me which do you think is better between torsen is haldex is or is useful each of them with pros and cons of both please i just want to know?
Maybe test some old Quattro vs newer vs newest?
I'll think about it 🙂
This is a good idea. Maybe something with the crown gear center Diff vs a Torsen T3
@@MuchoBoosto7 That would be interesting but there is only a few cars with crown gear differential... Hard to find.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I thought actually a lot of cars got the crown gear? Starting with the B8 RS5, then the 2013+ B8.5 S4/S5, and after that I think it carried into A6/7...etc. but I can’t confirm for sure
@@MuchoBoosto7 No, crown gear diff was in use just in a few sporty models for a short time. They came back to torsen but in newer version (CSM), Audi calls it "self locking center differential".
Can you try and do Mitsubishi EVO vs Subaru WRX Test???
Evo is here: th-cam.com/video/5qd4hltsS60/w-d-xo.html
So far I couldn't find WRX... 🙁
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thx , just saw how many tests you have. Got yourself a new sub. Also would be nice if you could get your hands on a GTR or Ferrari FF with its complicated 4WD system.
Same test with limited slip differentials would be very interesting
i think essentially same results but with the tests with only one wheel on the roller on one axle it will get unstuck way easier
3:00 Whats that ratcheting sound? I heard that a couple of times, too when getting stuck with my fwd van.
4:50
@@Chris-yy7qcHere it's roller spinning at hyper speed, sound doesn't come from car.
Has the Audi A4 b6 and passat 3bg not the same awd( quattro)?...i think so..both lenght Motors ...
Correct. That's why they performed similarly.
czy haldex tak samo jak torsen musi miec wszystkie opony z jednej parafi i jest tak samo wyczulony na cisnienie w oponach ? czy w haldexie to juz mniej problematyczne?
Generalnie to w każdym samochodzie wszystkie opony powinny być z jednej parafii 🙂 Moim skromnym zdaniem układy z haldexem są jeszcze bardziej na to wyczulone niż torsen.
Очень хотелось бы увидеть битву Mitsubishi Evo -Subaru Impreza sti Audi rs авто любых поколений
Does the manual 8E have the same awd as the automatic? I remember a video of you, where you mention, that the v8 has a different awd system between manual and automatic.
Also the a6 c5/4b would be intresting to see. Maybe a comparison between pre facelift an facelift
V8 was the only model in which type of awd system was dependent on type of gearbox.
I'm somewhat surprised the Golf did so well... I have a FWD golf like this one and the ASR/EDL is tuned very well compared to other cars I've driven. I remember being very impressed with a 4motion Passat in the snow, I'm surprised it did so badly in this test
torsen need a very little grip to work, and whit it ,it uses maxium grip more than a haldex could
@@danyan7 Torsen doesn't use maximum grip from the little grip. If grip of one side is low then the other side gets TBR x low. Here's how it works: th-cam.com/video/UlnGG4frZ68/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i mean, torsen need some grip, if you dont have grip, like this rollers is like open diferencial. bad. but in driving conditions it usually dont happens and the car can provide more torque to the wheel more capable.
no? the video left torsen in a yoke, but actually is good,
@@danyan7 Well, it just looks like open differential but inside there are very different processes and torque splits going on. Torsen is indeed a great diff however many users reported the same problems in real conditions as we can see in roller tests.
They need stronger EDL for these rollers. Maybe an offroad mode.
I don't understand, especially in torsen, why isn't/aren't the wheel/s with most grip spun at all? it just uses the ones which have no grip damn
That's how torsen works. It doesn't have an ability to lock itself.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I have a q5 from 2010, I put it through lots of mud and snow and had no issues with it, I'm guessing it's a different torsen, more capable :D
@@sonicrulez Torsen is a little bit different but that's not the point. The point is that on mud or snow there is similar grip under each wheel, here grip is very different. You can find the tests of Q5 on my channel, 2012, 2016 and 2018 🙂
Jestem zaskoczony wynikiem, i to potężnie. Jest szansa na Golfa w benzynie i dieslu? Ciekaw jestem czy była jakaś różnica w rozkładzie napędu względem różnicy momentu w rodzajach paliwa.
Pozdrawiam!
Jeżeli masz Golfa 4Motion w benzynie, to zapraszam na test 🙂 Pozdrawiam!
Mialem kiedyś Audi S3, napęd dzialal i sprawdzal się na drodze bardzo dobrze, jednak przy uslizgach przednich koł zalaczal się oprócz haldexu system elektronicznej szpery tzw EDS. To przyhamowywalo kolo które kręciło się bez oporów (wykrywając czujnikami abs-u uslizg) dzięki czemu mechanizm różnicowy zaczął podawać móc na drugie koło. Mechanizm różnicowy jest w przednim jak i tylnym napędzie, nie posiadając elektronicznej szpery taki samochód na rolkach gdzie jedna będzie z przodu ,a druga z tyłu teoretycznie nie ma możliwości by wyjechać bo cala moc przekazywana jest na ślizgające się koła ( taka wada mechanizmu roznicowego). Gdybyśmy mieli na sztywno spięte kola bez mechanizmu różnicowego to by można było wyjechać z każdych rolek ,ale nie można było by jechać w zakrętach ;-)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Ja posiadam taki egzemplarz golfa z swapowanym silnikiem 1.8t lecz napęd pozostał ten sam
@@kubazawada2462 Wg mojej wiedzy tylko R32 miał trochę agresywniej ustawionego haldexa
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers być może ale jak pisałem wcześniej napęd był jeszcze nie modyfikowany jak przyjdzie czas na serwis tyłu to będzie zamontowany ostrzejszy insert wtedy można sprawdzić jak sobie będzie radził
Can you explain to me which do you think is better between torsen is haldex is or is useful each of them with pros and cons of both please i just want to know?
In this case torsen is better solution cause older haldex systems are only reactive. But in case of newest haldex systems they are the same good as torsen.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
and for better handling is more efficiency and true all-wheel drive feel whi is better ?
@@steel4428 That will be torsen.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
ok thanks and quattro systems / xdrive / 4maric in permanent all wheel drive are all torsen type or there are other types ?
@@steel4428 There are tens of other types, quattro is also not just torsen.
why they never put power to the wheel that is free??? its so strange
This just confirms that VAG B5 is rubbish no matter what.
its a b6 by the way, had no problems with my B5s
@@chrizzi46 you're in the minority then.
@@chrizzi46 It`s a B5 FL
@@andrzejnowak863 the passat? I meant the audi
@@chrizzi46 Ah, then you're right. But I think guy you reffered to meant the Passat.
According to this video, you think it's torsen bad..Haldex is better?? I do not know,Haldex in Golf variant or Torsen in Passat B5.5 Variant...
No, that's wrong conlusion. Video shows that in this particular cars the EDL system is working better with haldex than with torsen. But that's just for these cars, not a rule.
I thought torsen was better how did the haldex perform better ?
In particular situations haldex can temporarily lock the axles together, like a diff lock. Torsen can't do it.
Так и что лучше? Quattro или holdex?
В Пассате б5 точно такой же полный привод, как и в Ауди.
3:07 what is that dound after braking?
That comes from rollers.
Kann mir jemand erklären wie das funktionier. und wie das sein muss?
This guy explains it very well: th-cam.com/video/mryGnENTsoI/w-d-xo.html
From my own experience as well, I have the best results with haldex system on VW Golf V and Passat B7.
Have had Torsen and older Subaru before.
A w a4 b7 quattro jest haldex czy torsen ?
Torsen. Haldexa nie ma w żadnym A4.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers a który jest lepszy torsen czy haldex .
@@adrianpl5149 Tu nie ma lepszych i gorszych, są po prostu inne. W starszych modelach torsen jest bardziej przewidywalnym układem niż haldex, obecnie sterowanie haldexem jest na zupełnie innym poziomie niż 20 lat temu.
You mean the Golf and the A3 are not the same?? I always thought same car different logo
This is S3, so slightly different.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers how come? it has the same generation of haldex so what's the difference?
@@Swiezak84 If you look at front or lateral (or any) test you may notice that in Golf rear axle is late, in S3 it starts much earlier. The difference comes from its basic software, the one in Audi S3, TT and Golf R32 looks kind of more aggressive. What is more - it also has some basic reaction to acceleration pedal position, not only to slippage.
If it is stock, that S3 8L should not be a 2000 (APY). Thus, it should be a 2002/2003 (BAM), because it has restyling headlights, chrome mirrors and 18" rims (the latter was an optional available for BAM only). Overall, all versions had the same terrible "quattro" system.
It's my s3 8l and is APY. I have tune it and the power was 292hp.
And u forgot about AMK 209hp.
@@dawidsobierski2422 I did not forgot AMK at all. Thus, it was just equipped on restyling model only, that was not available on 2001 only.
@@rikybologna3579 the AMK was in 2001 and 2002.
@@dawidsobierski2422 Indeed, thatvis the reason why I did not mention it: the video model is *2000*
Yeeeeeees the VW Golf is the best 😎😎😎😎
💕💕💕💕💕💕💕
B5.5 passat 1.8t 4 motion 5 speed manual. Unsure of the difference between the mt and the at but my passat certainly gets around better than my Subaru.
No difference for Passat, the same awd system for MT & AT. Major difference for Subaru, completely different awd systems for MT & 5EAT, 4EAT, CVT. So what Subaru, which type of transmission, what production year and is it equipped with VDC - these things must be specified to make any conclusion.
Depends on if the subaru can brake independently. I had a 1995 Legacy GL 2.5L and if I had been on two lateral rollers I would not have been able to get off. Since it had no LSD on the rear. Only on the middle axle 40/60 or whatever.
I think they didn't use the ABS pump for braking the spinnig wheels.
But I loved the car
Quattro audi c4 100 2.8,2.2 one love❤️😍😍
Would be nice if you could make a video of the Golf, S3 and the A4 B5, because i think it suits better on their date of manufacture. Like, the B6 is a younger car but does significantly worse :D
Here is A4 B5 and S3 🙂 th-cam.com/video/j8zbeEBzcSY/w-d-xo.html
Одного не пойму, где они там на этом пассате esp отключают? 😀
What exactly is unclear?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers моя твоя не понимать...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Значек видишь?
@@paulfox7401 What sign?
This golf got all the difs welded
What do you mean?
Golfik rządzi! 😎
Ototototo
to całe quattro może ciągnąć druta
@@oshe8461 i tak jestem za torsenem
A czy to nie jest tak że Haldex to dno, a tylko Torsen jest jaki zajebisty? Film pokazuje dokładnie coś innego... Chyba nie kumam co tutaj się stało...
@@piotrlenartowicz9894 Haldex to dno? Chyba tylko dla młodocianych fanów mokrych snów o napędzie 4x4 w swoim ałdi.
An interesting test would be by disconnecting ABS sensors on all those cars.
They would all fail. Maybe only haldex cars would be able to move with front wheels on rollers but I don't know if ABS errors would disconnect the clutch-pack or not.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yeah, that's exactly why it would be an interesting test. Haldex might fail, even if clutch pack is connected.
Czy dobrze widzę , haldex sobie lepiej poradził?
Co innego test na rolkach, a co innego test np. na śniegu czy śliskiej nawierchni. Oczywiście nie mam nic do haldex'a bo sam jeżdżę a38p z tym typeM napędu i jest w porządku.
@@darth230 wydaje mi się , że problemem torsena jest brak możliwości blokady dyferencjału centralnego. Haldex w razie potrzeby zepnie do na 100% a torsen przerzuci na jedną stronę.
Cywilnie- haldex, na tor - torsen.
@@adammo17 Dokładnie tak. Tu nawet nie chodzi o pełne blokowanie, a o wartość przekraczająca maximum torsena, czyli jego TBR. Im lepszy software sterujący haldexem, tym lepiej spina się w re-akcji i pro-akcji na sytuację pod kołami.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Czy to oznacza ze ta sama generacja haldex'a moze byc kierowana roznymi softwerami o zmiennej wydajnosci? Pytam bo mam A3 quattro 8p TDI 140 z 2006 i wyslalem 4 miesiace temu do Angli moj zepsuty sterownik (do firmy Auto Fault Finder). Naprawili mi w 1 dzien a 2 dni pozniej mialem go juz z powrotem. Jestem zadowolony gdyz mam wrazenie ze wszystko dziala dokladnie tak samo jak przed jego zepsuciem. Dziekuje z gory za odpowiedz!
@@sinkidam Oczywiście. Ten sam haldex będzie inaczej działał w różnych samochodach, często nawet modele wewnątrz jednej marki mają inne sterowanie. Są też kontrolery produkowane przeze firmy tuningowe, gdzie można wybierać tryby lub samemu określać, co i kiedy haldex ma robić.
Where is the old torsen?
These two are... Of age.
Old,old,Audi S2,Audi 90,Audi 100.Without electronics support.The Audi 90 had a manual differential lock.
@@rafazawistowski6941 We didn't test any of those. The oldest one was V8 from 1988.
I know these cars.My everyday car is a Corrado with the R32 engine.
I'm so happy to have found this channel, because my neighbour always put roller like this on my car and now i'm looking to buy the best car to get me off these roller.
Can't beleive someone think about these roller, i tought i was the only one with this probleme.
Here is video about roller tests vs real world situations: th-cam.com/video/926i0zqteXE/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Porównanie, gdzie dacia wpieprza się w górkę ze znacznie większą prędkością wględem auta, któremu się to nie udało to jakaś głupota. No i sytuacje beznadziejne z wklejonymi autami w piach, w których poradzi sobie tylko terenówka na simexach, tylko po to by zasymulować działanie rolek w prawdziwym świecie. Po co to komu, co to daje?
@@bapr3887 Jeśli dotrzesz do materiałów źródłowych, to zobaczysz, że na tę górkę wjechały wszystkie testowane samochody. Nie dała rady tylko CR-V, bo nie chciała kręcić tylnymi kołami i przez to traciła prędkość w przedbiegach.
W piachu dokładnie to samo - tył nie chciał kręcić. Nie ma żadnego znaczenia, czy podjechał czy nie, przecież kompletnie nie o tym jest ten materiał.
Dziwi mnie tak wielka rozbieżność między passatem i audi b6 ponieważ te generacje mają ten sam napęd. Chyba że czegoś nie wiem...
Wyniki są raczej zbieżne niż rozbieżne 🙂
00:45 kontra 00:55 sek
@@EnduroGrybow 0:45 - wyłączone ESP. Wygląda na to, że Passat w tym trybie znacznie bardziej ogranicza działanie EDL.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers jakieś różnice zapewne są...
Od zawsze jeżdżę różnymi modelami audi ale pasek w latach 97-04 też miał prawdziwe quattro.
Pozdrawiam
@@EnduroGrybow Nie Quattro, tylko torsena. Quattro to nazwa, pod którą kryją się: th-cam.com/video/ItTkEb_pf1A/w-d-xo.html
Syncro
Почему b6 везде одна и таже .она не исправна
4motion
Czy mi się wydaje ale Passat najsłabiej? Co to za dziwny odgłos w tym audi a3?
Odgłos pochodzi z rolek, nie z S3. A Passat wypadł bardzo podobnie do A4.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers aha. No właśnie ho bardzo dziwny ten odgłos. A4 i passat mają dokładnie taki sam napęd?
@@augelson1478 Tak, A4 I Passat mają ten sam układ awd.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no właśnie nie bardzo podobnie. Ma największy problem z każdym możliwym ustawieniem rolek, z tego co wynika z filmu
@@adammaysz9356 Wynik jest taki sam, te same testy przechodzą, te same oblewają. Sposób, w jaki to robią identyczny nie jest, ale dosyć zbliżony.
Passat b5 - torsen
HALDEX WIN ?
Golf читерил! Крутил рулем в разные стороны! Если бы он держал руль ровно то все было бы по честному.
Not at all: th-cam.com/video/O1mEqyU9KDo/w-d-xo.html
Golf and S3 is haldex
Passat and A4 quattro
Passat and A4 - Torsen.
Quattro IS NOT torsen. Quattro is: th-cam.com/video/ItTkEb_pf1A/w-d-xo.html
Czyli na to wychodzi że haldex jest 100razy lepszy od torsena 😎
Aż tak bym się nie rozpędzał, szczególnie w przypadku starszych haldexów 🙂 Natomiast na pewno nie jest tak zły, jak mówią Ci, którzy nigdy nie mieli z nim styczności 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers No wasz filmik na to wskazuje 😉
@@don_moto Nasz filmik to test ruszania/jazdy z małą prędkością po nawierzchniach o bardzo różnej przyczepności. Dynamiczne zachowanie układu (np. jazda w zakrętach) to zupełnie inna sprawa :)
It seems like the bigger the car, the worse it gets.
Size is not a factor, awd system itself is:
th-cam.com/video/nsmp4NFCn-k/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/jld57N9Ramw/w-d-xo.html
If it were all about the system, then each vw and audi would have similar results. The difference would then be over 4motion and quattro. There is a factor making the bigger station wagons do far worse than the smaller golf and s3.
@@skanlynes4789 Why would they have similar results? Every car has different tuning. I linked you above much bigger vehicles (including Audi) with very different EDL tuning and doing much better than smaller vehicles. Your thesis doesn't work, it's all about the awd system. Besides - there are small cars that can't pass these tests...
passat-torsen. audi-torsen
I dont get it. Shorter car is better? Golf 4motion, s3 quattro
Passat 4motion, a4 quattro.
Short car both good, estate both shit, doesn't matter what car. 😊
Length doesn't matter, awd system does. In this case it's mainly about traction control.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers so it does not matter is haldex or torsen, de sort car goes better.
I am up to buy a quattro a3, looking for videos.
And i thought Torsen was superior to Haldex, guess i was wrong. A4 Quattro owner.
This test is more about EDL system 🙂 In A4 B7 it is much better tuned: th-cam.com/video/IPAHBUqsIJA/w-d-xo.html
Really depends on the Torsen generation. The basic torsens are pretty crap but if you have sport rear diff option or lockable diff they handle these kind of tests much better. And ofc the newer AWD systems are far superior cos better sensors and software
@@MrYlijumala Rear sport diff wouldn't help here, it is not lsd and it cannot lock.
Выходит Torsen это полное дерьмо в сравнении с Haldex
Ну проку от халдекса поболее-спору нет... правда его обслуживание и периодические ремонты насоса на старых тачках-тоже факт..а вот торсен по 400 и более т.км откатывает с заменой масла раз в 80т
Бред, торсен более проходимее нежели электрика холдекса, сравнение не на роликах нужно проводить, а в условиях
@@northwind393 почему же сразу бред..ты и в жизни с людьми так общаешься? Услышал от незнакомого человека его точку зрения с которой ты не согласен и в лицо ему такой: бред! Вот на своём примере скажу что в грязи торсен не уступает халдексу...по крайней мере оба проехали с другом на рыбалку с трудом..у меня ауди пузотерка на торсене, у него гольф 6 на халдексе...
Да холдекс днище уже давно разжовано
@@northwind393 Особенно это хорошо видно на этом видео, где Халдекс выиграл у Торсена в оду калитку.
Audi allroad top(((😢
Passat 3bg is quattro
Passat is 4Motion, this version has torsen differential. Quattro is: th-cam.com/video/ItTkEb_pf1A/w-d-xo.html
Please, do find us a VW with Quattro lol
Golf driver is a cheater - watch him moving steering wheel to help get forward...
NO. Driver must turn the steering wheel to keep the car on rollers, otherwise it could be cheating. Watch this video: th-cam.com/video/O1mEqyU9KDo/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers He's the only, who doing that :)
@@Hammeroid Nope, he is one of tens drivers in my tests doing that. It is me behind the camera showing the driver how to correct the car to keep it on rollers.
confusing🤮
Why?
They are the same sh***