A Comparison of Budget Motion Simulators DOF Reality VS Everyone Else
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ม.ค. 2019
- In this video a logical, whimsical, and LONG look at a handful of current motion simulators available for purchase today. I am basically just documenting my research leading to my decision to pull the trigger on the p3 full motion simulator from DOF Reality. 3 degrees of motion including traction loss (3 dof). There are alot of choices out there, my choices may differ from yours! I hope you enjoy!
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Oh, to be alive in such an age: when I can sit on my couch surfing the internet, and watch a video of another person sitting on a couch and surfing the internet.
And imagine this video was featured in ANOTHER video of another person sitting on a coach surfing the internet...
I like it that you deal with costs and currency issues straight away. Most reviewers stupidly put it off til the end, as if they're selling the damn things. C'mon, guys; it's not a sales pitch; it's a review
Thank you for the in depth video on DOF Reality sim. After watching a couple of your videos and a few others I just pulled the trigger and got the P3. I can't wait to start putting it all together. Thanks again for a job well done.
How's your P3? I'm thinking of making the jump...
You saved me. A lot of research time, thanks mate👍
Me too. I appreciate the video!
And me, also appreciate the video!💯
Will be getting the H2 to go along the VR headset.
H2 has dropped to £992 - shipping cost.
Once again " Everything Sim-Racing " Cheers for the video, it has helped in shopping for a low cost no-frills motion platform.
I just ordered my H3. Wheeeeeeeelieeeeeeeeeeeee.
What about Yaw VR? Surely it blows this away.
I just ordered my H3 to go with my vr setup. Can’t wait.
How's it going so far? Did you get your set up yet?
Update! =D
Thank you for all the work you did! Saved me a lot of time. I'm going to be getting a P3 (maybe P6)
Wait for the p8
The H6 has nearly doubled in price since making this video. I'm sure it's been upgraded over the past 4 years, but it really increases the barrier to entry unfortunately.
First time ever i watched a video so long of 47 min but everything was so helpful to clear all douts & would help in making a decision ....👏thank you mate🤗....
Great vid. Saves a lot of leg work for us guys looking into motion sims for the first time.
Cool! Another sim racing peripherals review channel! Keep em coming brother.
It seems that you did some serious research on this topic. Thank you!
I did lol! Welcome
Not really! He touched a lot but it wasn't thorough.
Just use what he touched on and look it up yourself.
If I only listened to him, I wouldn't know about the great products that simcraft has.
@@doubleshottalk6610 I believe the idea was to show price points. While Simcraft has amazing stuff, they're way out of my league. DOF Reality is affordable for someone like me.
Everything Sim Racing is it possible to get some good pics of all the changes you did with the 8020? I’m getting a P3 and want to do the same.
Bought a DOFREALITY P3 Commercial with nearly all the addons.. It is PHENOMENAL. Worth every penny and honestly, the youtuber here is CORRECT.. This is the best buy for the money, hands down.
Any issues since opening it? Do you use it for sim racing or flight mostly?
I’m really thinking of pulling trigger on DOF P3, then maybe eventually upgrade to P6. I want this one because it move your whole cockpit wheels and pedals. All other “entry” motion sims are either too big too expensive or just butt movers.
Good comprehensive video my friend. I did watch all your videos before I built my own 3DOF. (I have a few vids posted if you take a look). The prices on these things are very very high, so I use that data as a 'card to play' if my wife asks me a question about what I'm building.. hahah. Thanks for all the stuff you posted. (subscribed a while ago) Very informative to gather as much info as you can to make decent decisions . Took your cue on the VR and I am so happy about that! DMAX
I may have not been clear, When I say I 'built' my own 3DOF. I did not buy a DOF reality rig and assemble it. I took your advice with simtools, bought a welder, motors, controllers etc and 'built' my 3 DOF rig. which is 2 DOF + traction loss l(similar to the DOF reality rigs). Learned a ton while doing so. I absolutely agree with the way you cover these products. And crack up when you say " oh, that's only 25,000 euros.. " yeah. not going to buy that one.. Thanks again for posting and sorry for doubling up on my comment. DMAX
Great review, thanks a lot. Please keep up the good work.
Great review, this is now on my to get list. Did you make your key start box or buy it? I want one of those two. Keep the vids coming.
Great video. To break it down if you want anything good for a great price you either go DOF h3 or p3
The only other options is yaw 2 when it is available.
Excellent review. You've made my mind up.
Can't wait to be a proud parent of the dof p3 although the p6 would be sweet.
Did you get a P6 DOF yet?
Fantastic review, you almost killed me when you didn't know about the British pound only to die upon seeing that YAW thing.
I had forgotten what it felt like to really laugh, it was most excellent 👏😎👍
Funny thing is that YAW thing is really growing in popularity, being pushed by most popular VR channels.. in fact that's how I found DOF Reality... started out wanting that YAW thing... which looks really goofy to me now. That said, I WISH I could find a review of H3 or P3 vs the YAW thing... the Yaw thing does have some pros.
Definitely helping a lot! Thanks for the effort! 👍👍
Great comparison video, thanks!
Good review... I nearly bought one but the system just did not look tight enough overall, movement good but not precise. I had the NLR V3 2dof system for 3+ years and really loved it. I sold it and bought a Trakracer Rig and put 3 x PT Actuators on it. One Front + two Rear. This makes it 3dof (roll pitch heave) the Heave is a fantastic addition and the actuators are very powerful, fast & precise. The immersion in VR is awesome and it does not have TL but it simulates it nicely in the SRS software.
I ended up with the Next Level Racing Motion V3 due to it's small size. I just don't have the room for anything else.
I enjoy that unit. It moves very quickly and is precise and tight. It works well and is more than enough for iracing or other racing games, and the only thing it's missing is the traction loss, which I can feel through my force feedback wheel so I don't "need" traction loss to be fast.
By comparison - the DOF reality 3 dof setup I have also used, as a friend of mine has that rig.
The difference between the 2:
Traction loss on the DOF Reality is a big benefit. I'm usually doing track racing however and so there isn't a lot of traction loss and I don't get a ton of feedback from it. If you're doing rally racing or some other, like DIRT, the traction loss becomes more important. Where the DOF Reality setup was a dissapointment however was that it's "sloppy". The connections between the actuators and the structure itself have some slack or play in them. So when you make a big movement, at the end of that movement is kind of a bouncing or pendulum effect which breaks the immersive experience and doesn't go with the gameplay.
Honestly.. you can't "go wrong" with DOF or the Next Level Racing one, IMO. They both add a lot to the experience.
DOF Reality has a minus in that at the end of the movement you have additional movements which don't go along with the game / screen. Also the size was a minus for my game room's size.
Next Level Racing has a minus in that it's missing traction loss.
IMO connecting the motion to the wheel and pedal box has not been an issue as it wasn't even a consideration when I compared the 2 units.
I should note that we were both using VR headsets and NOT a screen. If you're using a screen then moving the whole rig with the screen attached probably becomes more important.
Which would i choose? I think IF i had the room, I would have the DOF Reality setup. If you don't have the room, Next Level Racing is a great option.
A good review within a review. Thanks for the extensive comments. I'm new to this realm of sim racing (learning about "dof" and such), so it will be a while before I commit actual dollars to the endeavor, if ever.
How much it costs and how many watt under load?
@@LorenzoClara97 hahaha. Holy shite... There's an iNtElIgEnT individual asking logical questions in the comments wtf.
Armageddon is upon us
@@Bigghewi I can ask whatever the fuck I want.
@@LorenzoClara97 ahahahaah ok... you can, but would be better you read a little bit more
Nice video and awesome review. I'm gonna buy the P2 next Christmas but I'm not sure about the strength of the wheel stand. As I can see in you videos, you do a mod with aluminium. Could you do a simple video with what you do?
I want to play in VR so don't need to attach any screen. But don't know, watching the photos, it doesn't give me good feeling.
Thank you!!!
This is like a horror movie to me with my ButtKicker 2.
Great, great video! Thanks for the hardwork
Welcome
Thank you very much for the time spent doing this review... We really appreciate it. I have used simulators before and loved to own one. Now my children have grown up and would like to purchase one for them.... But need help please, I would like the P3 with all extras, need help on the rest seat, steering wheel pedals and shifter I don't want to brake the bank like dof reality are value for money I would like to have all additional in the same value.... Also wanted to ask will it work with consol or so we need to get a PC? I would be grateful yourr help , I am based in UK
Thanks for the good overview 👍
Thank you very much for this. Very helpful 👍
Awesome info! I am an electrician and what caught my attention is the 2400W for the P6. that's a dedicated 20 amp outlet.
10 amp in my country but still, thats normaly what an entire room/group runs on. so you would have to do new wiring and make sure to not run to many other applications in your home while using it.
@@lifeontwo2292 yeah you are lucky you can run 220. I already pulled two dedicated 20 amp 120v circuits from my 200amp panel dedicated for the platform, wheel and PC power supply 😁
Am getting a Yaw VR Motion Sim I think. It may not LOOK great but it's fully collapsable and portable which is great for me because I don't have a great deal of room in my flat. Plus all of the motors and stuff is protected underneath which prevents my cat from getting stuck in the thing lol
Just wondering if you were thinking of getting one for the channel and reviewing it? There aren't a lot of reviews out there for this thing yet.
There's no way that it's anywhere near as accurate or fast responding as DOF Reality. DOF Reality sells a cover for all the motors and mechanics.
Hey, you said you got the ART cockpit from GT Omega? What wheelbase do you have, if you don`t mind me asking. Also, why did you not kick out an extra 100Bucks to get the Titan? Is the ART at least half way decent? Or is it great and I am worrying over nothing?
Thanks for saving hours of research! GG
"Does it have any kinda traction loss... it just spins around". My friend, you have just described the essence of traction loss.
Eh mate I’m from Australia and saw your video, are you happy with DOF reality simulator so far ?
Have you heard of the yaw 2, hope you could try it or ask for a demo unit. Looks like it would feel amazing 😀 the yaw 1 is old…the new yaw 2 uses a racing seat now
Atomic was in pounds not euro, it's more expensive in $.
I'm only seeing this at the end of 2021 and I love it 👌
DoF was my first choice but then I sent an email to customer support...
All I can say, is that Im happy w my 2nd choice lol
Edit: Also you forgot to explain that DoF seat mover has 3 options, the first one is for teens or women as it only supports max 150lbs, so you have to upgrade at least to M2 which is a bit more than $1.2K + shipping, but talking w the guys at DoF if you play more than 3 hrs or you are overweight (+220lbs) then is not going to work either you have to upgrade to the P models, which are industrial grade motors. We are talking about $1.5K for a seat mover or $2.8K for the 3 Axis seat.
Still cheaper than some popular competitors hence my first choice.
their customer support was bad? who did you go with in the end?
Cool video and good explanations. I have looking into buying a DOF reality sim but i can't decide whether to go for the P3 or P6. I am an enthusiastic SIM racer so that will be my main type of game. Do you think it would be worth going for the P6? Where does it come in to play when sim racing - i guess bumps feel more realistic along the straights? There doesn't seem to be a lot of reviews on the P6 models, most people seem to have the P3 version of the DOF sim.
P3 + buttkicker would be WAY more realistic for racing games. Even when it comes to bumps. Not only that, but it would be WAY cheaper as well. So unless you're hardcore about flight sim, I would stick to P3 and use the extra cash for cool accessories (nice buttkicker connected to back, ass, pedals and wheel, or a mean OSW DD wheel instead of the accuforce, etc).
@@ScorieDivine Thank you for clarifying this. Most likely go with the P3 and add a buttkicker in addition to the motion. I'm not at all a hardcore flight SIM enthusiast.
@@anders7311Then this setup should suit you much better than a P6, while reserving the possibility of an ulterior upgrade.
Take care, mate.
I recently purchased my P3 a few weeks ago and have it all setup with the butt kicker gamer 2. Pretty damned awesome is what I can say BUT I'll be upgrading to the P6 soon. It's an awesome product, the company has been great pre and post sales questions/support. I have nothing negative to say. You will not be disappointed.
@@tdg911 Hi. Cool :-) But why the p6 upgrade? What are your expectations from the P6 upgrade in regards to SIM racing?
Thanks for the fantastic video. Just one minor correction regarding the Prosimu platform. They no longer use the Dyadic actuators for their 4-DOF platforms - these were the noisy actuators you showed in Jon's video. The new PRS actuators are much faster, stronger, and nearly silent - and also more expensive of course as you discovered on their website. I have a Prosimu T1000 myself, and I can vouch that that annoying squeaking sound of the cheaper Dyadic actuators is now a thing of past. I believe the DOF Reallity is the best value on the market for the lower end of motion simulators, while the Prosimu is the best value for the mid/high end of motion sims. They're certainly both fantastic simulators, and the DOF is nothing to sneeze at as it clearly punches well above its weight. You really can't go wrong with either one as far as I'm concerned. Thanks again for the video.
welcome and I completely agree!
great video, thanks
excellent video, thank you :-)
FASETECH actually did have 360 motion (In fact, it can do that almost endlessly before the cable stops it from going any further) and other things that were shown. However the original Prototype was more violent than the commercial one they made now. (Also the Prototype is that Racecube you wondered about. THAT thing is FASETECH, they just changed the name overtime)
Go on their TH-cam page and watch how the prototype ran vs how they show it now. I think they nerfed it down to much, it's lost my interest because of that now.
Now I don't know if DOF Reality with their DOF 6 is the same way or just throws you around more than with the DOF 3. I got interested in this platform now not just because of costs but the fact it looks like how FASETECH should have done it.
Great video!
Seeing this video 4 years after and yaw2 being like the next best after DOF reality is funny to me since they were kickstarters
Looking to get into him. What’s my best bet a motion sim or static ? What a good setup?
Do you mind sharing how you added the aluminum profiles to your P3
I found that DOF Reality gave me what I wanted at roughly the same cost I'd have spent building my own minus trial n error and the experience of saying I built that. I'm satisfied with the level of DIY I did do though, and thoroughly enjoying my H3, being upgraded to H6 in few weeks.
Soudns cool! I am concerned with H6, I am 100KG. Would it carry me nicely? (i know specs say 150 but wanted your feedback!)
@@dr.arcade5838haven't gotten my h6 upgrade from h3 yet. I'm 81 Kg myself, works just fine
@@jeepgunner82 Does it bother you if your screen does not move in the same time? Im worried I will feel bad because platform moves and screen is still!?
Arcade oculus rift
Please comment how you like your H6 vs H3 and if you feel it was worth it! =D
Thanks. I've decided to supercharge/intercool the Elise instead. More cost effective, because I already have the Elise and am getting good enough at driving it fast to win occasionally. Eventually, I will sell the Lotus and get serious about flightsim again. Thanks for your work. If I didn't have a Lotus already... Maybe in a couple years if I'm still alive and kicking...🏁/🏴☠
Have you actually tried a seat mover? You put them down so much, I feel you haven't tried one. The NLR V3 is very fast and immersive. Watch the reviews by Sim Pit and Inside Sim Racing as well, when you are only moving the seat and not the entire rig, you don't need massive amounts of travel.
in my opinion he doesnt know what the NLR is trying to achieve. he says it just moves ya but around and not the pedals..lol..when you brake hard in a car the forces push you forward towards the pedals..the NLR v3 is simulating those forces . never when you hard brake in a vehicle does your pedals or anything else move with you. same as high G cornering. the seat mover simulates these forces. this FACT is lost on most people who think the whole rig should move. NLR v3 is expensive for what it is but commenting with no actual understanding of what forces it is recreating (namely G forces from cornering and braking) is just hilarious.
@@mcnappa828 I think so too... still, the DOF is way cheaper (you have no rig with the motion v3) and you can get to play Elite too! But maybe I'd go the Next Level Racing way nonetheless if I had that kind of money...
@Benjamin Elliott you obviously have no comprehension of what the NLR v3 is simulating LMAO..it simulates g forces. learn to read
I've never tried a "full motion" rig. My research exposed to me that speed is far more important than moving all components. Also, there is a lot of truth in the explanation that seat movers are actually better st creating immersion because the driver is inherently adjusting for small positional changes as has already been stated here. I believe this is vital to the overall experience. I have a custom wooden rig using SimX DIY kit. Minimal investment and proven equipment.
So why did you go for the pro version P3 instead of the consumer H3?
Im saving for mine :-)
LMAO the Yaw VR got me
Yaw VR is better for VR. Running 2D monitors is old hat anyway. VR is where it's at.
Would be good if also talk about experience of using
Hi I would like to know if the DOFReality simulator has noticeable movement when motors are off or It behaves like a rigid rig. Thanks.
Rigid
Hi, aren't you suffering with a little gearplay? I also own this rig and there is about 3-4mm gearplay?
@@erichk5882 possibly. I never noticed.
Love Everything Sim Racing and DOF Reality. This will benefit more consumers to get better product for better prices!
The proprietary software isn't the issue...there are security chips in console peripherals because of counterfeiting back in the day. Those chips ensure the device you are connecting to the console isn't going to brick the console.
The price for the p3 went up $1100! With a sales, the price is currently $500 more than before.
Even higher when i checked yesterday
So for you you what is the best choice ? Thanks. I want a best feeling ...I do not know what to choose, price comparison quality.
Hi brother, can RSRBR 2021 or any of the previous version works with Simtools or SimRacing Studio software for motion simulator?
i'm also wondering how this P3 still works, because i am thinking about buying one my self.
I agree, why did you blow right by the yaw? Because it’s cheaper, quieter, more range? Yeah your not bias at all... lmao
Loved this thank you. DOF for the win.
Late answer. You dont hear the pro simu when you game. But your surroundings does, thata the reason I sold it. If you have no surroundings to take of, than this is a very awesome experience
looks good but i would like to know how you modified the wheel deck cause no way this thing will handle a direct drive wheel
I git info that it handles DD wheels
Can you pleases give the total length of the rig from front pedal plate to back?
Bro thanks so much
Any of you with a h2 or h3 and microsoft flight simulator 20? In x plane 11 i can feel the turbulence but in msfs 20 no matter i tweek the software i cant feel the changes os the wind. Any thoughts?
Atomic motion systems.. Were not going to do that... LMAO perfect!
There are literally no reviews for the GTR Simulator's GTM Motion Sim Rig. Why?
I appreciate your opinion on this video, what do you think of the yawvr motion simulator. Link yawvr.com
Not sure why you are laughing and scoffing at the YAW. Clearly you haven't done much looking in to it, which is why you offered no specifics. Quite arrogant and condescending, The version you are showing was a "proof of concept" and never even went in to production, you didn't even show the actual YAW.
He basically half-assed his way through each product. This was not well researched at all. He fucked up the G-Seat pretty bad, which uses those "unnecessary" seat belts to simulate sustained G-Force. I wasn't impressed with this either. His arguments boiled down to, too expensive, or can't be bothered to research.
@@vladisergeiev7278 46:25
Look at the date of his video bro... was the final Yaw even out at that time? I think he showed what was most current at that time. I'm actually on the fence between DOF Reality and Yaw VR right now, leaning towards DOF Reality... especially because Yaw VR doesn't seem well made for racing and can't handle much additional weight.
Can you attach a buttkicker gamer 2 to that DOFreality H3?
I was wondering if this will work with the PS5 and Xbox Series X?
6:00 In fact, that was GBP, not EUR so the price would have been even more in USD. £7440 would be $10500 today.
“Ooof, 15 thousand of those things...”
Still happy with the P3? Imk on the fence between the H3 and P3.
Same! Leaning towards P3
i considered DOF but the freight price to NZ was huge. I eneded up building my own from XSimulator DIY tutorials for 450nzd or 300usd
Can you please link the guide you followed?
@@siddharth2965 check out D max on TH-cam for video tutorials
So how’s it holding up so far
Would like to know that too :)
Hi, does DOF works with X box series Xİ?
5:50 actually 7440 are GBP not EUR, so they´re 8534USD but 9656!
still debating between H3 and H6
Hope your right, I just placed my order for a P6 minutes ago. $8,600.00
linus did a video on the Feel Three
Naw that was the Yaw VR
I think you missed the point with Geko Systems GS-105. It's not relaxed, it's 40 pounds force feedback directly on your body, no jerky wiper motor but force as long as you brake as long as you corner. Much better IMO than any seat recliner/mover, and more compact too.
www.gekosystems.com
Not TV mounting option?
The new player in this market is of course the Yaw 2.
Keep in mind 500k sims do not have motion - They DO HAVE Force feedback - 3 hifi projectors on a curved screen -Air bagged seat thst pushes on the waist to sim g forces - Screens dont move - Get the motion bug out at local Dave and Busters or whatever, but for daily training ? I think the huge investment would lose it's attraction after awhile - RS SEAT WITH BUTT KICKER , OR A 2 OR 3 dof and a quality VR - BOOM! - DONE!
€ = euro. £ = British pounds. I tried the Geko and it is so annoying that I asked to shut it off after only one or two minutes. I was using Assetto Corsa.
HA HA HA they cranked the volume way way way up I trust that and you should too
Dofreality pricing has really gone up in 4 years
Most of the cost are design, motor used, man power and taxes. I waited 3 years for somebody to make a cheap version then said fuck it, built my own 2dof, now a days I can buy a cheap 3dof and still build it myself further cutting costs. Moral of the story, don't wait around for people to do something do it yourself.
dof Reality really cranked up their pricing
grazie dall'italy
Motion Systems from Poland, they manufacture Next Level Racing® Traction Plus Motion Platform
Love your accent. So east coast.
are you reeling now that yaw vr is out and selling like hot cakes?
Ya’ll check out the new YAW 2