DOF Reality Motion Platform Still the Best Value?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
- Are DOF Reality's Motion Platform Simulator Rigs still the best value for those wanting to add motion to their gaming experience? With price increases affecting everything, we explore if the DOF Reality units are still worth investing in and what you get out of the higher price.
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No Affiliated Code for the DOF in your description?
Hi, ya DOF Reality asked us to take it down because it was being searched on Google without people actually watching the video. The good news is we will have a new code on our new video that will be out this week. Stay tuned and the new code will be available for you then. We may periodically have to change it down the road, but there should always be a good one in our latest DOF Reality videos that we release. Sorry for the delay but thanks for the comment.
I suggest editing your video to remove the part where you mention the promo code in the descriptions (12:20). This comment makes the entire video appear less reliable. I watched another video where the creator placed the promo code at the end, and I followed suit by ordering the H3 using his code that gave me a five percent discount.
@@bcsnapierAwesome, I'm glad you found the discount! Can't really edit the video... I'd have to delete it and upload the new one (just how TH-cam works). It will be fine once I get the new video up... at that point I can put in the description where to find the new code. Thanks for watching!
I just want to say thank you! You were one of the first youtuber reviewing the dof reality in detail and tested games your audience suggested which is very important for deciding wether to buy it or not. Never regret buying one. You're building tips helped me a lot, made it even better and it will last longer. I love my dof reality H3! Looking forward to more dof videos!
Thank you so much montanazh! That was the whole reason for building this channel and it is heartwarming to know GYGO is accomplishing its goal! This channel would be nothing without the support from viewers like you. I really appreciate the comment!
Thank you for the discount code! Finally decided to move forward with a P3 for flight in large part thanks to watching your videos over the past year. Loved the one with Igor Demenchuk which really got me thinking about it seriously in hearing his vision and execution.
Thank you for using the code! I think you are going to love it, once you experience motion in flight you really can't go back to sitting still. What a great Christmas present for yourself, I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. I'm a little jealous because you will get all the new features. Let me know what you think once you get it up and running. Thanks for watching!
Thank you. Just ordered a h6 for dcs with your code. You do really good reviews and I hope you keep doing more of them
Thank you so much Icexoxyicexoxy, I really hope you will enjoy it. Are you running VR? If so, you might start thinking about motion compensation as well. We are going to do a video of it but I can certainly give you a head's up depending on which VR Headset you are using. Really appreciate you using our code!
@@GYGOtv yeah been using vr since dk2 days 😁
I have a yaw 1 that works sometimes but there is a lot of issues with drifting and random shutdowns so it was time for an upgrade.
I use vr controller for motion compensation which works quite well.
I havent tried withmotion if that would have same result
At the moment I use a quest pro.
@@IcexoxyicexoxyPerfect! Keep using the VR controller... From my testing, the Witmotion only works with pitch and roll so it wouldn't be ideal for the H6. You should be fine with what you already are familiar with. Please let me know how it goes and if you have anything else I can help you with. Again, thanks for using my code! Happy Holidays!
I've had my H3 for a few months now and love it! Using it in VR really puts you right in the cockpit.
Thanks for the comment marksmith, yes it's hard to explain how real it feels until they try it. Glad you love your H3!
Hey Mark, thanks for another informative and enjoyable video!
I recently pulled the trigger on a P6 (in transit as we speak). I read a lot about the cogging issue in flight sims, so I am very interested in your comments once you have the no-cogging mod installed!
Best regards from Frankfurt!
Congrats on your purchase! So the "cogging" is an issue that has been a problem forever. It is due to torque ripple in the motors so that new mod does seem to fix that. One issue that might be occurring with that fix however is that the movement might be slowed down now, so I need to do more research. Now I do have the motors sitting in the house right now, but I have to find a good solution for the flanges because I really don't want to destroy my original ones. Honestly for me, the cogging doesn't really bother me because I use my Buttkicker 2 to "mask" that feeling. With the engine rumbling I hardly notice the cogging (cogging only happens on slow movements). Now for some people it REALLY bothers them and the Buttkicker doesn't help... but I also kind of think this is becoming the "topic of the hour" and it is kind of that bandwagon effect going on. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear what you think when you get yours all up and running. Let me know how you feel about the cogging and your P6 experience overall! Thanks for watching!
Hey man, great video once again.
I got my P3 with SFU since July this year and simply love the rig.
Got the honeycomb plate and have a QR4rigs plate to be able to quickly exchange the yoke with my current Fanatec DD Pro. Love that combination.
Recently exchanged my pedals with Simagic P1000i with hydraulic brake and shakers per pedal. Awesome stuff.
I had before a 50W shaker under the footplate and 1 under the seat. Last weekend moved them both to the complete back which helped me in getting it perfectly balanced as well as the Simagic pedals are heavier.
Using also the WitMotion sensor as I only fly/race in VR and it is just awesome.
The only thing I did as well is putting some grease nippels on the blocks of the SFU (pre-treaded 6mm) just to have some lubricant (acid free grease) for the SFU’s and works like a charm. The other thing is that on regular basis I check the bolts of the mounting stuff. Now and then I require to tighten them up. Actually the mounting base of the Yaw motor I had to use Loctite on the bolts.
Other than that (and to be honest, I think it is part of the entertainment value to me) it is plain awesome….just like you said.
Keep them coming m8, kudo’s
Thank you for such an awesome comment Lucas_Pit! That is an impressive list of upgrades and I'm glad you are enjoying it so much!!! I'm right there with you! Good job checking your bolts from time to time, we just found a lose sensor bolt on my rig so it is very important to do that check every now and then (I probably do it every 3 months or so, and visually check everything all the time).
I have been thinking about doing the QR4rigs upgrade for my pedals so I can get some more realistic racing pedals. I just haven't been doing much racing lately so I'm kind of waiting to buy new gear until I get heavily back into it... So what do you think of the P1000i? I'm leaning toward Simmagic for the DD wheel and new pedals. I also didn't hear you mention a wind kit, and you certainly need one of those if you are racing!
@@GYGOtv Did not have much experience yet with the P1000i but so far it has been great. I use mainly iRacing and there is 1 pitfall. There is no direct integration (yet) for the TC on the throttle pedal. The ABS is amazing though. It kicks in exactly at the right time to back off a little. My first impression is that it made me slightly faster even but as mentioned not yet enough hours into it to make a final judgement. I heard on discord people complaining about the throttle being too soft but to be honest, I’m perfectly fine with it. I’m indeed also eyeballing the Alpha but I’ll wait until QR4rigs got the plate for it, he is working on them. Not sure yet if it is going to be the Alpha or the Alpha U though, still in deciding process ;)
The wind add-on is something I gotta look into indeed. Not only for immersion but also to keep cool in VR is quite helpful
@@Lucas_PitWell keep me posted how the P1000i turns out. As for the wind, it is an amazing addition and best when racing... O' and for roller coasters too I guess :)
Why haven't I seen this channel before?
I ran through some of your motion-rig content and alot of the stuff you talk about is great info that I've been seeking for a while now, lol!
Got yourself a new sub!
Personally I'm running a H3 DOF Reality and I might be looking into upgrading it to a H6 sometime next year, though I mostly use the rig for car related racing but want to get into some flying simulation and I feel like the H6/P6 would make a better experience for flying.
As you mention in one of your videos, I also regret not spending a little bit more money on getting the P-series from the get go, the H-series is fine but those degrees man, they're valuable lol!
Welcome to the channel DusttwoDust! Thank you so much for the Sub as well, I'm glad you found us. SO just to start off, be glad you bought the H Series at this point. With the new SFU Gears, you gain those 2 extra degrees so the only benefit to the P-Series now is that it can run a lot longer (as in for commercial Arcade use, etc.). So if you haven't upgraded to SFU Gears yet, put that on your list. So actually the H6 would also bring a lot to your racing experiences too. Those extra Degrees of Freedom really add a lot to racing as in when you slide and hit a guardrail/wall you get that side sway impact. I love the Heave (up and down) for road texture and cracks in the pavement etc. and the Surge adds that little something when accelerating and decelerating. It's funny because Jeff Weaver and I got into a big discussion on which motion sim is right for racing vs. flying while we were playing 7 Days to Die on our livestream. If you don't know, Jeff is the guy who makes all the default tunings for Sim Racing Studio, so he is probably the most knowledgeable person on the planet when it comes to how to make the DOF Reality systems move. Anyway, here is the link to that video if you haven't seen it yet th-cam.com/video/lsPbbYEy95s/w-d-xo.html In that same video we talk about how flight sim can be pretty amazing in an H3, so don't wait to try it... jump in and get flying even if you don't have the H6. I might also highly recommend Elite Dangerous if you like Space Sims. It is one of my absolute favorites for the Motion Platform. Anyway, thank again for the comment and please feel free to ask any other questions you might have... and remember to... Get Your Game On!!! :)
@@GYGOtv Appreciate the quick response!
Alright, I might need to think about upgrading then because in that case, I'd need the H3->H6 upgrade kit plus the SFU gearbox upgrades (x6), is that correct?
That'll set me back, yikes!
Would you recommend the H3->H6 upgrade over upgrading only the (x3) gearboxes for the H3 setup?
I also have to take into account the footprint and the overall space around me for movement, my setup is currently in a closet lol.
I'm in no hurry to upgrade yet though as I absolutely love my H3 as is with the "traction loss" aka yaw motion while rallying in Dirt Rally 2.0, it's an absolute amazing experience and gives some sense of more control! I was actually considering the H2 at first but today I'm super glad I didn't go too cheap with it.
It's amazing with my latest upgrade; Fanatec DD + pedals + H gear box + handbrake and an additional thrustmaster for sequential shifting.
But I'll admit I miss the heave motion sometimes, I can only imagine what that brings into the equation!
As for the Elite Dangerous recomendation, I got really involved with that game when I got my first HTC Vive VR headset (I was an early adopter into the VR concept) back in 2015/2016 and got a set of Saitek X52 flight sticks with it and had an absolute blast for many months. Might be a good time to re-visit the game with the new additional gear :)
On the topic of flight sticks, may I ask what mounts you went with for the flight sticks? I recently considered ordering a set but I'm a very handy guy so I feel like I would be able to get something of my own put together but I'm curious about some ideas on how to go about it.
Ideally the mounts would be some sort of snap on / snap off system for easy mounting and dismounting when I focus on rallying.
I'll check out the video!
Thanks!
Great video! Subscribed. I have a profile rig already so do they offer only a motion solution? I looked at their website but I could only find complete rigs. I'm trying to decide between the DOF reality p6 and the Sigma DK2+
Thanks for the Sub Mika! So generally no you don't put your profile rig on a DOF Platform, but some creative folks have done it... the problem is the weight because the more weight the slower and harder it is to move. That is why DOF only does full rigs because it takes all that into consideration. SO my big question for you is are you mainly flying or racing? Those actuators are only 50mm from what I can see and that really isn't much. Most rigs use at least 100mm if not 150mm. Also, you are going to be limited to only roll, pitch and heave with that unit from what I can tell. The P6 is going to get you all 6 Degree's of Freedom. If you really want to go with an actuator system, might I suggest the PT Actuator rig... www.pt-actuator.com/product/champion-gt/ It is about the same price and has 100mm of travel. Also, if you are interested this is a topic that Jeff Weaver and I discussed in detail during one of our gaming livestreams. You can check it out here if you want to know more th-cam.com/video/lsPbbYEy95s/w-d-xo.html Also if you have any other questions, just let me know and I'll do my best to answer for you. Welcome to this AWESOME world of motion sim!
Amazing! Thank you for the info. It answered so many questions. PSA: Discount code was no longer valid for anyone watching this on Dec 24th 2023. Subscribed. Thank you.
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment. I'm happy to help, I LOVE my DOF so let me know if you have any other questions. As for the discount code, it automatically turns off when they are running a sale that is as good or better than using the code. It should automatically re-activate once their sale is over. Hope that helps.
Appreciate the code I used it to buy my H3.
I appreciate you using it!!! Hope you love your motion rig as much as I do. I just got done flying some Star Wars Squadrons and it was like a childhood dream come true in VR with the motion!
I really love my P6 took me forever to get it perfectly dialed in flying the helicopter but my God what a difference once you have it set perfectly. That being said I have left my Motors on all night long and they don't even get warm they're actually cold to the touch just sitting there idling.
Just be careful because I've noticed mine can get hot when sitting there (nothing dangerous but they do warm up). DOF Reality certainly recommends against it because the motors do micro adjustment the whole time it is on.
Hi it's me again, I did go ahead and order that H2 platform the other day. The more reading I do looks like the more I'm going to have to do lol. Just saw about adding motion compensation. I guess the idea is to get it going on the standard software first before trying to move on to motion compensation. Did you install it on your dof platform? Looks pretty complicated. Do you have a video that I may have missed on adding motion compensation on how to install it how to set it up and get it running properly and what settings to use ET cetera? Thank you for your continued help!
Hey Nashfan, congrats! For the H2 Motion Comp is pretty easy. You will want to go the Witmotion route. simracingstudio.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/35000209208-motion-compensation-setup I have been working on a video for a while now, hope to finish it soon. Stay tuned!
@@GYGOtvawesome can't wait to see it, probably three or four weeks before I get my platform
Thank you for the videos.
Thank you for watching!!! Appreciate everyone who takes time out of their day to watch our content and also for taking the time to drop a comment as well.
Would be interested on your thoughts with the Motion-XP platform Mark, whilst it is more expensive than a DOF Reality you get quite a lot more in terms of performance it seems (I’ve not tried one in person)
That is so funny you mention that platform, I've actually looked at that in the past. The motion looks amazing, my concerns are with the size (need some space for sure) and also looks a little more difficult to get into because of that size. Also, looked like lots of parts are 3D printed, so I still worry a little about durability but that will work itself out as people use is for longer. One thing to also keep in mind is that with the larger cylinders for movement comes the possibility it might be very jerky with off the shelf games because of the telemetry. I briefly tried to find some specs on it but they were not popping right up so I'd like to know more if you have a better link to the actual specs. Thanks for the question and for watching!
Hello, thank you, congratulations on the channel.
I wanted to ask 2 questions related to DOF Reality.
I went to France to try out the Prosimu 5m simulator.
I'm setting up a small project and I intend to purchase 2 simulators and I'm determined to buy the DOF Reality ones because for the value and the reviews it's rational. My issue is that I haven't tried them and I'm afraid that they could cause problems in the long term.
The other issue is that I'm encountering some difficulties with the purchase, I'm not feeling very confident in the way it works and I'm worried about falling for a scam.
Can you provide me with some more information that might help me better understand what I'm getting myself into.
Best regards
Absolutely happy to help as much as I can. SO my big questions is what are you mainly planning on doing (flight or racing)? Also what is your budget? Are you looking for the most affordable alternative or are you looking for the best experience alternative? Also what did you think of the ProsimU? As for issues, I've had mine for almost 3 years, we have had to do some basic maintenance on it, and as I'm sure you've seen on the channel we have done lots of modifications as well but overall it has been great. As for ordering, go directly to the DOF Realilty website (and a hint if you put the code from our latest video in there at checkout it will save you 5% and help us out here at GYGO too). Please answer the above questions and we will see if we can find you the best option for your use case. Thanks for the comment.
Bought the P3 a couple of months ago with all the new features really pleased with my unit, i may upgrade sometime in the future to the P6.
All this kit is expensive, however compared to other motion solutions, well I could never justify or find 50 000 dollars not unless I won the lottery.
Thanks for your channel really informative and interesting.
I Don't use it for car racing, only flightsim, unfortunately it's to realistic for me as I get motion sickness in these games , this also happened when I had a day karting a few years ago in the real world.
The flightsiming is OK,
I'm getting a Brunner yoke Monday , so hoping this will increase the immersion and maybe a set of rudder pedals sometime in the future .
Thanks for the comment julianhall, I'm glad to hear you are happy with your purchase. So the yoke and rudder pedals will certainly add to your experience. I'd also recommend a Buttkicker or other SRS Shaker Kit, adding transducers made a giant leap for me in immersion as well. For flight I'd say you are good with the P3 for awhile. You end up losing some of the overall pitch and roll (unless you are an idiot like me and modify that motion back into the H6) so the P3 should do you just fine. I will say when you do eventually upgrade, having heave so you can feel the landings REALLY ADDS a lot too. So enjoy your new toys and thanks for watching!
@GYGOtv I have a butt kicker and the srs seat pad, I count myself very lucky that I'm able to afford these things. Wasn't able to fly for real due to having problems since childhood with blinding migraine headaches. Wouldn't have passed the medical for the airforce.
@@julianhall2008Awesome those should work great. Are you able to fly in VR or is that too weird too?
@GYGOtv Hi, I fly in VR with my Aero all the time , that is fine, mostly light GA and war birds and helicopters.Most of the manoeuvre are fairly gentle , even the fast jets Hawk , f14 etc are OK. Maybe it's the relationship in driving games being on the ground, No problems when using my monitor just VR. I have always been a little sensitive to this, couldn't ride on a bus as a child without throwing up , train was always OK.
@@julianhall2008Ya I think ground stuff for some reason is more difficult to handle. I know in Elite Dangerous, I can fly all day but sometimes when I get planetside in the buggy it can get me a little unsettled too. Glad to hear you can fly in VR, it is so amazing.
Hi did you ever get the E stop brake for you H6 or did you have to upgrade your motors and gearboxs to digital ,or have you left it with just the first upgrade
No I don't have a good E Stop for my system... it still settles. What DOF Reality did on the new units was solid mount the motors now and use Cardan Joints (basically U-Joints) to handle the SFU Gearboxes. That let them put a proper Ebrake on the motor so all the new ones stop immediately like they should. Igor and I discuss it here if you are interested in more info about it. th-cam.com/video/GxG51YZ3U0c/w-d-xo.html Thanks for the question.
Mark, would you say that having H6 is "a must" for general aviation simulator (not dog fighting) or H3 is enough?
Now that is a great question and Jeff Weaver and I discussed this topic at length during one of my livestreams ( th-cam.com/video/lsPbbYEy95s/w-d-xo.html) if you are interested. The TLDW version is yes you can get a great experience out of the H3, in fact the pitch and roll is slightly higher than on the H6 so it is even better for those Degrees of Freedom. The biggest thing you give up in my opinion is the Heave, which lets you feel the ground when you land, and lets you feel the runway as you are running down it for take off. Going from bumpy ground to smooth flight is an awesome experience. I also personally really like the surge (especially for carrier launches and landings, but probably not as big a deal for GA. Additionally, the best thing about the H3 is that you can eventually upgrade it to the H6 if you want to start smaller. I would recommend getting either a Buttkicker 2 or SRS Shaker 6 kit either way because there is some "cogging" or unsmooth movement when doing slow turns and the transducers mask that for me. Anyway, I highly recommend you watch the linked video and I think that will give you more info on this topic. Thanks for asking!
Hi! I don’t really know in which video I should post this question, so I will go with this equipment one:)
A while ago I was doing buyers research on racing equipment and in the end decided, I won’t buy in, because it is just too much money for a very specialized equipment that I won’t be able to use for anything else.
With that said, I started to play Warthunder a while ago and now I am starting to look into flying equipment:) It is the same issue as with racing equipment and the only thing those two have in common are pedals!
So my question is, is it possible to buy pedals that would be suitable for both racing and flying? I know how good racing pedals are supposed to look, but I don’t know if they would be suitable for flying as well and I don’t want to end up in situation where they would feel nice for racing, but terrible for flying or vice versa. I also figured, I could use pedals as simple buttons for other stuff as well. Sort of like extra buttons on a mouse :)
What are your thoughts on this? I see that you are into various simulators both ground and air, so I would like to know, what you have to say about this:)
Hi and thanks for the question. Sorry for the delay I didn't see this one in the notifications until now. So I really think it comes down to if you plan to do more racing or more flying. I chose the CH Pro Pedals amzn.to/3JpqzKY because you can easily put the chocks in to keep them from sliding and thus you only have the pivot from the toe brakes which you can use as throttle and brake th-cam.com/video/zlGQ3N_1LAg/w-d-xo.html Of course, with it pivoting it doesn't quite match a real car, but it is close enough for me. If you are more into racing, you could get a set of basic pedals like these fanatec.com/us-en/pedals/csl-pedals and use them for rudder control, but of course you lose the toe brakes on the aircraft. There is no perfect solution, but if you are willing to compromise you can find something that will be good enough for you. I hope that helps and let me know if you have any other questions.
Very informative and thanks for adding a discount code! I'm on the fence between ordering the H6 and P6. It seems the P6 has a little bit more motion range, just wondering if its worth the extra significant $3K cost or if there is more to it that I'm missing.
I'd love to take credit for the code but you can thank DOF Reality for giving it to me to offer you guys :) No need to buy the P6 unless you are going to be running the motion platform continuously in an Arcade setting. With the new SFU gears the motion is the same. Save the money and put it toward the other things you will want for the build. If you want to know more about this topic, Jeff Weaver and I discuss it at length here th-cam.com/video/lsPbbYEy95s/w-d-xo.html
@@GYGOtv fantastic thanks for saving me money :) will check your other vids. I will be building a setup exclusively for flight sims.
@@MohamadAyyashI'm jealous, that means you can go with a center stick and still be able to get in and out of the thing. I've debated doing a quick mount center stick but it's pretty tight in there with the racing wheel attached on mine. You will also want to think about Motion Compensation, it's a big deal... what VR headset are you using?
@@GYGOtv Having the center stick is precisely why I decided to keep it just for flight! Although I wish there was a way to switch from fighter jet controllers (e.g. hotas) to the airliner sim controls like the boeing yolk but it doesn't seem easy unless I buy another motion sim. For the VR headset I'm not sure yet, any advice? I will be using DCS on a very high end PC. I heard the issue about motion compensation but have no clue how it'll feel or if there are any guidance on it. Any tips appreciated :)
@@MohamadAyyash So the big question is do you already have valve lighthouses if not are you willing to buy some?
How does this handle things like ASW, motion reprojection/smoothing etc. in vr? Since the game would be refreshed at 45hz instead of 90hz for example, does that change the way the motion simulator moves because its getting half the data now? (That last part is an assumption on my part)
That really is a great question, I haven't had that asked before so thanks AndrewDaniele87. From my understanding the motion isn't affected by motion reprojection as the telemetry for movement is a separate data pack from any video output. In practice I've never had an issue with smoothing affecting the motion. In a worse case scenario if the game lags too hard, you might get thrown to a neutral position in the rig until the lag goes away but honestly I have rarely had this issue (and it is usually caused by some background operation running that I didn't know about... like a Windows update or something). 99% of the time the motion is just fine. I'll follow up with Jeff Weaver and make sure my understanding is correct, and if I'm wrong I'll post an update here.
your videos are awesome and have been a big help to me and others. I bought my h6 early part of 2020 and love it. I upgraded the gear boxes. I have one problem. Getting in and out of platform. I have a large instrument panel (I only use it for flying). I'm 59 years old and heaver. I would like a good solution to getting in and out. Any ideas
Well thank you for the kind words and for watching our stuff! I hear what you are saying for sure and have thought about this as well. My unit isn't the easiest to get in and out of either! I don't really have any easy solutions... what I did think about was maybe hinging the front mounts so you could swing it out of the way and then pull it in and lock it in place? Also, a smaller seat would allow more room... but then you have a smaller seat LOL. There may possibly also be a way to add a swivel to the seat so you could turn it sideways to get in and rotate once there (kind of like an RV). Of course none of this will be easy. What I might recommend to you is go to the DOF Reality Builder's Facebook Group facebook.com/groups/1858593921047822 (if you haven't yet). All DOF Reality Owners should be members of that IMO because there are so many people there and someone might have already worked this out. I hope some of this helps and good luck with your research.
@@GYGOtv thanks for the quick reply, I am subscribed to that page and its a great page. I did see the swivel chair thing not sure where but it looked like it took a welder and machine shop to do it. The frame where the arms attach is the problem and the new yoke/wheel frame makes it even tighter (I purchased this when I bought the gear upgrade so the rods wouldn't hit and pop off (clearance). I did see a photo of the hole frame replaced with extruded aluminum, much more clearance for entering. I'm sure its not cheap. I may try to move my yoke frame work backwards and that might give more room to step in, I'll update you if it works.
@@Likes2fish-rk1kfGood luck for sure, if you only needed a little more room you could also maybe look at some quick release mounts that would allow you to move the yoke and stuff out of the way and then once you are seated you could attach them?
Hey nice overview. Now, is there a reason why did you leave out YawVR?
Thanks for watching, well mostly I wanted to revisit the comparisons I made in my original video th-cam.com/video/YD8GFEptuTk/w-d-xo.html and there was no Yaw2 at that time. I guess second, at the current price level of the Yaw 2 I don't think it is a great value and I've heard some reports that make me nervous to promote the Yaw 2 because I've heard stories of original backers still not getting their products. I've also heard the company is financially challenged so I didn't really want anyone to end up making a purchase that might end up being unfulfilled. I'm keeping an eye on how the Yaw 2 continues in the marketplace and if I see a positive direction from them, I may do a dedicated comparison between the 2 products as there seems to be interest in it for sure. I know I was interested originally until those issues I mentioned came to light. I hope that answers your question.
Yes it does! Thanks for the thorough reply!
@@karmabasedj8184Just a follow-up, Originally a "gravity" or heave module was being developed for the Yaw2, which I think would be essential for me to be interested in it for flight. After using the DOF H6, I can tell you that having that up and down bump when you land is something I wouldn't be willing to sacrifice even for the extra pitch. I've been hoping that was something they were still working on but I haven't seen anything more about it for awhile. IF they do end up making it, I think the Yaw2 could be the perfect motion platform for flight so fingers crossed it is still on the roadmap.
@@GYGOtv totally agree! Btw would you recommend the P6 over the H6?
@@karmabasedj8184No not anymore, with the SFU Gearbox upgrade, the H6 has as much movement as the P6 now so the only reason you would want a P6 is if you were running it in an arcade setting 8 hours a day, everyday. Here's an in-depth video on it if you are interested th-cam.com/video/lsPbbYEy95s/w-d-xo.html Thanks again for watching, and don't forget I have a 5% discount code "GYGO" if you decide to get one and want to save a few bucks.
Personal question, hope you are not offended. You rig seems capable of tossing you about reasonably well, how much do you weigh and how much additional weight represents all the gear bolted on?
I'm a fatty lol, currently weigh about 230 or so, and I have no idea how much all the gear weighs. BUT I've also had several of my friends try out the rig and they are like over 6 ft. and heavier than I am and it wasn't a problem. Officially DOF says the rider can be up to 300 lbs before you need the extra gas struts that you see on mine, I personally think you should put them on no matter what because it just takes some strain off the motors and helps it move that much easier. Anyway, I think if you are physically fit enough to climb into the rig, it should be able to handle your weight. Thanks for the question, and believe me I've answered far more personal questions than that so no offence taken.
Hey just received my DOF Reality H2 rig using you code (thanks) and got one question…. Not getting motion yet. Do I connect the usb cable from the motion controller to my computer where SRS is installed?
Yes the box needs to be connected to the PC. There should be instructions to follow somewhere... I haven't hooked up any of the newer units so be sure to follow whatever the new procedure is for them. Hope that helps and thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv I’m good to go now. There were instructions that said don’t connect any accessories to the magic box, so I didn’t. All is good after connecting the usb. Thanks,
@@Wildavismedia Happy to help. Yes I can understand how confusing that would be. Glad you are up and running... What do you think?
Are the struts necessary on the h6 with the upgraded gear box
Officially no, unless you are over 300lbs as a rider. I personally think they are a good addition regardless, because in my opinion anything that helps lift the seat up is a bonus to performance. I'd recommend trying without them, but if you find that it might not be lifting you as easy as you want then think about getting some.
what keyboard do you use and how are they mounted
It is a KINESIS Freestyle Pro Split Keyboard amzn.to/3k3AJEy You can find all the details here th-cam.com/video/zlGQ3N_1LAg/w-d-xo.html Thanks for the question and I hope you enjoy!
I think the Yaw 2 looks better for the price. Curious why you didnt mention it.
Has anyone tried both and can compare?
Well I didn't mention it mostly because I was going back to the ones I originally looked at in 2021 and it didn't exist then, but I certainly understand why you would ask. So for the record I have not used a Yaw2 so this is just my observations. The biggest issue I have is that you really are only getting 3 dof for about the same price as you can get an H6 (6 dof) with the DOF Reality. Also, one of the biggest "strengths" of the Yaw is its ability to rotate 360 degrees... and to be honest that is one of the least useful degrees of motion there is IMO. The other big strength is it's ability to pitch so far back (which IS a big plus because that is the axis that I think matters the most in flight), BUT it doesn't look like the pitch down is very much in comparison. Lastly, I don't see a really easy way to get in and out of the Yaw2 if you have all your HOTAS and controllers attached so that bothers me as well. What I can say is I was intrigued by them when they said they were working on a heave module th-cam.com/video/lgEHtezQ4Z8/w-d-xo.html and if that ever gets done I may try to test one out because with heave (for landings), it might be a good option for flight sim... but as it stands right now I think the DOF Reality is a better option. Hope that makes sense, and thank you for asking a great question!
p.s. Just FYI... it looked like there were duplicate comments from you asking the same thing so I deleted them since I answered it here.
@@GYGOtv this does make sense and thank you for the in depth reply! I'm torn about which to get, but videos such as yours help.
Sorry about the duplicate
@@lvx4408No worries about the duplicate, I just didn't want people to think I routinely delete viewer's comments, but I didn't think you would mind in this case. Also, if you haven't watched this video yet th-cam.com/video/lsPbbYEy95s/w-d-xo.html it might help you as well. We go pretty in depth on motion platforms. Hope it helps.
@@GYGOtv thanks for the link! Will watch.
I think what was, or is, drawing me to the Yaw2 is that the feedback I hear from others is that it is quite smooth and has greater degrees of pitch and roll. But still not sure
@@lvx4408No problem if that feels like the right choice. Make sure you check on the "slipping" issue that I heard they had where the seat would slip on its rollers sometimes. Also if you do get a Yaw2, I'd recommend getting Sim Racing Studio software... I hear it is MUCH better than the software that Yaw uses. Please keep us posted as to how you like it and thanks again for watching.
Do you know if the DOF 6DF platform would work with a triple-screen setup?
Yes it should, DOF is even offering monitor mounts now. You would just want to be mindful of the weight if you plan to mount all 3 to the rig itself. I have to say, I don't think it would be as immersive as VR, but still would be a fun ride. We have a 5% discount code in our latest DOF videos if you would like to save a little money as well. Thanks for the question.
@@GYGOtv thanks for the quick response! VR would be great but despite many attempts I was unable to get it to work properly, without me ended up sitting outside the car after a sharp turn. I even installed the motion compensation hardware recommended by DOF and configured the openVR, SteamVR, Windows VR, etc... In any case, are you implying that the triple-screen has to be mounted onto the 6DOF platform?
@@Chitown388No problem, so are you running an H2 or H3 now? What VR headset did you use? Sounds like something might not have been working correctly because Motion Comp will take care of any of that. Hopefully I'll finish my Motion Compensation video soon to help folks like you. As for mounting the monitors, no you don't need to mount them to the rig... you just could if you want that extra level of immersion. Lots of people have BIG screens mounted statically and they seem to work fine... I think it all depends on how big the screen is. Hope that helps.
@@GYGOtv I look forward to your video on motion Comp! My VR is an HP Reverb G2. In my attempt to solve the problem, I tried Open XR, Steam VR, and Windows VR with the motion Comp hardware. Nothing works! I haven't tried yet something that came out about 3mos ago, the subscription-based SIM Racing Studio motion Comp. I switched to building a triple-screen after I failed to get my VR working. Hopefully your motion Comp video will help me to get over the VR hump.
@@Chitown388 Trust me you want to do VR more than triple screens, it is SOOO much more immersive. So lets sort through this, first you need to have the premium subscription from SRS, you need the wit motion attached to the moving part of your rig, you need some third-party interface that actually takes the sensor info and adjusts the VR image. Now this software is dependent on if you are using SteamVR (OpenVR) or OpenXR. There are 2 different programs so you need the correct one for your application. Pleas give me some more details on your specific setup and what protocol you prefer using? So are you using a H2 or H3 now and upgrading to an H6? Let me know a little more about your situation and I'll try to help more.
I'm tempted to get one but I'm not sure I could give up my wonky chair
O you have to tell me more about this "wonky chair"! You have me curious :) For the record, you might be able to mount your wonky chair to the rig and then you would have the best of both worlds.
Awesome video. I love my h6. Help me if you can. I have the h6 and reverb g2. I have been chasing down problems with motion compensation for two years. It comes and goes, I had a small update with msfs couple of weeks ago and its back. I have the wit module but that does not help my problem. I'm moved completely out of the cockpit and at different angles. I do have a large dash in front of me which doesn't help my problem, I'm sure. I have searched the web for solutions and tried some of my own, some help but it keeps coming back eventually. I have tried the new srs and msfs beta but that doesn't help. Have you had these issues? When I'm not having issues its rock solid but unplayable other times.
Man I REALLY need to get my motion compensation video done for you guys! SO on the H6, the witmotion solution isn't going to work on all axis. It is great for an H2 user and even H3 but not so good for us H6 pilots. Now the Witmotion will still compensate for pitch and roll but not for any other axis... so when I do a catapult launch off the carrier I end up going through the seatback as I go off the boat. HOWEVER, if you have had it working and are happy with the results then this might be a non-issue for you. So lets cover the basics here. First you need to have the premium subscription from SRS, you need the wit motion attached to the moving part of your rig, you need some third-party interface that actually takes the sensor info and adjusts the VR image. Now this software is dependent on if you are using SteamVR (OpenVR) or OpenXR. There are 2 different programs so you need the correct one for your application. Pleas give me some more details on your specific setup and what protocol you are using? I almost am wondering if that is your issue, that when you update it is switching you to the other standard and that is why it isn't working anymore?
Just FYI... the best solution for an H6 is to use a tracker/controller and tie the motion compensation to that. That will give you motion compensation where ever the platform moves. The ideal solution is to use a lighthouse/basestation style system but I understand if you don't want to go there. It does open up a whole new set of problems, specifically if you have a Buttkicker or other transducer system on your rig... but that is a topic for another day.
So let me know a little more about your situation and I'll try to help more. Thanks for the question, we should be able to sort this out somehow.
@@GYGOtv I have the reverb g2 and the h6. For years I had no issues with motion tracking but the last two it has come and gone. When its bad its un playable. When I start a turn the screen vibrates/shakes which is hard on the eyes and then eventually it moves you out of the cockpit at different angles. I have the wit box and use it with sim racing studios. I've tried placing a sheet over my dash that is loaded with realsimgear instruments. I have place sheets of paper on my wall and draw what looks like qr codes. I've tried different lighting, ect. I'm at my wits end on trying to fix it this time. windows 11, i9-13900k,3000 mhz, 32gig. When I'm not having an issue, I can fly as fast or aerobatic and the motion completion is rock solid. I either get lucky or some of the tricks I've tried actually worked but not this time. One note when I play population one through steam my view can rapidly change around 90degrees very fast. Msfs is through the store. Thanks for your knowledge on our fantastic hobbie.
@@likes2flyDoesn't sound to me like it is a motion comp issue, more of an overall headset tracking issue. Just FYI... if motion comp doesn't work it just slides you in and out of the cockpit as you move around in the rig... what your describing sounds more like headset tracking. Make sure the camera's are clean on the headset. Are you using any additional LED lighting (other than your dashboard), that can interfere with the sensors too. You just need enough light to see objects in the room so that isn't very critical. It could possibly help to have the controllers sitting on a table or something in front of you just as an addition anchor point for the headset. Also, make sure the firmware on the G2 is up to date... they did several tracking improvements over the years. So give that a shot and see what happens. It might also just be an issue that the headset is getting worn out if it used to be fine and recently has been acting up. Again I don't think it is a Motion Comp problem but let me know and we will try to sort it out.
@@GYGOtv I have two new ones I bought late last year. Swapped cables and headsets and no luck. I bought the two new ones because my cable died on my old g2 and wanted the upgraded g2 so I bought two of them. no leds. I've tried cleaning sensors, taping over one, all kinds of different light over the last two years. I'm uploading a video that shows what is going on. th-cam.com/video/G81OI8tY_JI/w-d-xo.html
@@GYGOtv thanks for your input and I like your evaluation, I too thought it was something other than motion tracking but never could nail it down. Without the motion platform turned on it is rock solid in vr. I have tried having a controller sitting nearby but no change, I even tried it today. I tried deleting mixed reality portal today and installed with no change. Any more help would be appreciated. I don't think there are any new firmware updates but if you know of one let me know. By the way I watch your video on suf gearbox upgrade many times so I could upgrade mine.
Even with all improvements in hardware, the addition of 1 or more DOF’s are largely software enabled.
Even at 5k prices, I do not believe they are cost/price justifiable for the retail consumer.
I respectfully disagree, I'm not saying they are cheap BUT if you compare them to other motion platform options they are the best value... and keep getting better I might add. You can get a H3 (3 DOF) for less than an Apple Vision Pro, and about the same price as a high end video card. I can justify that price all day long and I can tell you I'd buy mine again in a heartbeat. Other reviewers feel the same too so it is not just me. Of course everyone has to make their own judgement on this... but I can tell you the immersion you gain from a motion platform is priceless to me and I can't imagine simming without it. Thanks for the comment.
I'm in purchasing hell atm. Don't know which motion platform to get. Want the DOF 6, but I'm in the UK, and all the Tax, shipping etc is so confusing.
Sorry to hear that, don't know much about U.K. taxes but shipping should show up on the order form once you fill in where you live. I'm guessing around $500 because the H6 is heavy. Are there any other constraints you are worried about? One thing to remember, prices probably won't be going down and with my code you will save some money too. Let me know what else I can do to help you with your decision.
@@GYGOtv I used your code, thanks very much for that. I went for the DOF H6 in the end; took me as long to decide which VR helmet, and which graphics card.
@@notanfningainCongrats, If you have any questions or need any help, just drop me a comment. Thanks for your support!
@@GYGOtv Thanks for your help.
$100,000 for a sim is insane. You could pay for flight school, gas, and more with that amount of money......
I know right!!! I thought $50,000 was bad 2 years ago... talk about inflation. To be honest, those simulators are not aimed at home users as their target market. They promote them to industry and for commercial use... but still. Thanks for watching!
While I sorta agree...I also have medical history that legally prevents me from ever getting a pilot's license, for example. Sim, in and of itself, is a passion for some. For most of us, it is a portal to things we could never do in real life. Even car racing is $$$$ in real life.
@@r.g.harman6856Sorry to hear that, this certainly is a great alternative but you could get a very good motion platform for much less than $100,000 that would still allow you to get that great experience and keep some money in the bank. Hope you get to enjoy all that this hobby has to offer and if I can help answer any questions, please feel free to ask. Thanks for the comment.
@@GYGOtv For sure; I was just trying to point out that even at the highest levels, sim experiences are a often still a cheaper way to live out our fantasies. And sometimes the only way.
I really dislike reductionist positions like the one I responded to, but I have enjoyed the content I have watched of yours so far! Thank you for balancing between pure tech speak and information accessibility.
@@r.g.harman6856Glad you are enjoying the content... I use to actually race dragsters in real life "Back in the Day" and so I totally know how much cheaper sim stuff is vs. real life, and they don't break/crash nearly as much as the real thing :) Thanks for watching.
I'd buy one of these in an instant if I didn't like being married so much.😊
LOL VR_Aviator, Ok so you have to play the long game on this one :) Get your better half started with flying or racing and then get to the point you say "honey, wouldn't it be great if this felt more real?" You start off with the H2 (less than $2k) and then you can work your way up. Just for the record I am not a marriage counselor so any advice given here should be taken with a grain of salt. Thanks for watching anyway, gave me a good laugh!
Your promo code isn’t valid
Thanks for the heads-up. I just sent an email to DOF Reality to find out what the issue is. I'll update when I find out more. Stay Tuned.
I checked with DOF Reality and they deactivate all promo codes when they run the Black Friday Deals. The code should be working now, please let me know if it doesn't. Thanks for supporting GYGO!
It is a rickety toy.
Hi Joemendel, Not rickety at all, very stable. As for a toy... you know what they say about men vs. boys and the price of their toys :)
DOFREALITY's platform is decent but the cogging/jittering in flight sims breaks the immersion! In ordered to fix that you have to replace their motors with ones with a reduction gear setup. So add a few hundred US to thos prices. Also thier shipping is really expensive.
Thanks for the comment HeliNut4Life. Yes that has been an issue forever but it seems to bother some more than others. For me, adding my Buttkicker 2 to my rig basically masks out the cogging that you talk about, so it really doesn't bother me very much but of course others it bothers a lot. The problem with the new motor solution is it might be reducing the movement speed so you will need to decide between quickness of motion vs. smoothness, but at least you now have a choice. BTW my motors are already sitting in my house, I just need to come up with a good adapter solution because I don't really want to destroy my old flanges from the old gearboxes. I still will trade any cogging for half the price and more overall movement out of my rig. Thanks for watching!
The geared motors are just as fast if not faster than the oiriginal motors. You just have tune for them as has always been the case. You don't have to choose one or the other.@@GYGOtv
This is a dealbreaker as I primarily would like to use the H3 for flight sim - where can you find these reduction gears?
@@SoarbywireGo join the DOF Reality Builder's Facebook Group facebook.com/groups/1858593921047822 (It is Free), and once you are a member do a search for "Robert's Mod" you will get all the details including all the things you need to buy. Hope that helps.