Is the Shelly 1 better than the Sonoff Basic?
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I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed your video. I'm a complete noob when it comes to electronics and I found your presenting style informative, entertaining, engaging and enjoyable. Thanks!
thank you for reviewing these side by side. this is content i want to see on youtube. subscribed
This was clearly made with EU light switch boxes in mind and I love it! Thanks for the video Rob!
thanks to you and your knwoledge I bought the shelly 1! Working like a charm already. I had to make the montage in the ceiling due to the absence of a neutral wire.
The isolated relay and 16A rating makes it perfect for switching baseboard heaters without a wall mounted thermostat connected to it, as long as you power the Shelly 1 from another source.
Had to pull the trigger and bought one! Thanks for the great video... Like all of your videos!
Excellent guide. I have been following ur channel for a while now and the content is fabulous. Please keep building and share the knowledge.
Excellent, informative video, as always Rob, thanks for the insights.
Excellent review process. Detailed, fair and unbiased. Kudos
Good on you for addressing some of the isolation and safety related concerns. It's interesting that the Shelly product is actually safer than the Sonoff _because_ it has no isolation. It forces your (or more specifically, your electrician) to take precautions.
TH-cam suggested me this video, I guess because I was watching Sonoff videos in the past. Really informative channel, subscribed. Also this gadget is very cool, I'm considering upgrading my switches in the future :)
Nice! Great that competition is growing.
Awesome video, and really professional review. I especially liked the fact that you contributed to the open source ecosystem with the fixed you had to learn the hard way, thumbs up! You earned a subscriber.
Excellent video, thanks for all your work with the tasmota files. Stay awesome!
Great video, I like that it is 16a, and so small that it fits so nicely into a box, some competition for sonoff. My wife plugged a 1500w electric grill to a sonoff basic extention cord, drawing approx 12.5a. It smoked the relay and melted the case.
Thanks for a really thorough comparison.
Great, thanks for reviewing this, it’s exactly what I’m looking for, smart switch that can also work,stand alone, for rental property. Advanced tenants can benefit from all functionality, technology averse ones use it stand alone. And being able to decide whether cloud is used or not is just great.
If you are the landlord then you're probably the best landlord haha thoughtful
Amazing informative video. Thank you for your time in producing this great video. Can't wait to get my hands on it Shelly 1 and play. 😁
I got a bunch of the Shelly 2.5 after watching. Tasmotized them immediately. What a pleasure to work with these things, after my years of making the equivalent myself by combining a power supply, Wemos D1, and a relay board - real challenge to squeeze them into a switch box.
Great video! Thanks for introducing this new smart home device.
I can see this working really well in the UK at the light pendant end instead of the switch end where you have access to neutral/live and switched live connections - I’ve ordered one based on this video ... thanks 👍
Well done. Superb video. This is an excellent offering and I imagine will surge the number of smart home DIYs out there. Add new home builders, custom home builders as well as general contractors to that list. Certainly, the Shelly 1appears to be an ideal OEM offering to every dumb switch manufacturer on the planet. A volume discount for the existing homeowner would be nice to see!
Awesome video! I can think of a few applications for this....
One question: did I understand correctlymthat you can't pull the gpio0 pin to ground? If so, how do you put it into flash mode?
Thanks, it covers a lot, that was so helpful.
Awesome video and channel. Great reviews man, best of luck to you! Subbed
Good review about Tasmodo. What about the product itself? I'm sure I'm not the only one who uses sonoff as is without flashing.
Thanks so much for this great video!
Very interesting
Your colordescription of the various wires ofcourse is regional
Love the videos! Have you ever considered one on room presence detection? Or do you not use it?
I feel with a decent presence detection a lot of automations open up.
Looks like your video was a little more effective then they expected. They are sold out everywhere. Hope they get them back in stock as i want dozen or so.
Need a video on how to use these with a 3 way switch!
thx for the detailed review !
Really nice video an great comparison to sonoff
Very good review. For me this little blue thing is clearly a winner. Thank you!
Hi and thanks for all your great video! I decided to start automating my home because of your videos! I'm not sure which device to choose. How does the relay clicking noise compare between the Shelly and the Sonoff?
Thank you for taking the time to make this video and share it with all of us. Do you know if there is a solution for folks that have 3-way switches in the wall and do not have neutral wires in the box? I am of course subscribed with notifications turned on and thumbs up!
Lucky to have you, their web info is not that clear. Thanks!
Cool breakdown. Thank you.
I'm choosing between SmartLife noname devices and eWelink (sonoff) for
my home automation. Which one is the better and why? In future i'am planning to
use that devices in Openhab+mqtt environment (without chineese cloud).
gREAT VIDEO, THANX FOR YOUR TIME. i´D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE´S ANY WAY THAT I CAN REMOVE OR JUST TURN OFF THE GREEN LIGHT ON THE SONOFF BASIC. THANK U SO MUCH
what's the advantage of flashing the tasmota firmware over the stock on the shelly 1, i just picked up 2 and starting to play with them
*sigh!*
Another product added to my tinker list. :(
Thanks for the excellent review, Rob!!
Did you look at the traces on the PCB of the Shelly? do the traces look like they'll take 15 amps? it doesn't matter what the relay is rated for if the traces are going to blow off.
Excellent video!
Great video! Just bought 7 :')
Amazing; it's about time this product came out. I have sonoff basics without the casings in my switchboxs and it's very sketchy. These are well worth the extra money
Is the Shell UL listed for installation into a power box? The NEC code requires UL listing and if not your fire insurance may not cover your damages. Has Shelly determined the fill and size of the box for installation? I am an electrician and electrical engineer.
I like the shelly and your presentation skills...kudos to you!! Love from India
Love this, and continue to love your stuff. That said, are there any open source options for higher voltage stuff like washers, dryers, and dishwashers?
For those I think you just need to scale up the same solution with a bigger external relay - using either the Shelly or Sonoff - connect through a Functional Devices RIB relay (Relay In a Box). Many different configurations available 110V/220V dual phase switching (SPDT/DPDT), up to 30A and even up to 600V. Almost all of them can be configured with a 120V AC coil to control the relay. I have automated 220V Pool 20A Pumps with these using Lutron switches for control - works great.
hmm havnt heard of this one yet, thx for being in my feed ;)
I thought I was a big geek, but I don't hold a candle to you. Nicely done.
What do I need to control thru any wifi signal; NOT a phone Nearby; remote wifi control . ? switch that can receive wifi commands. ?
Given that this has a relay input and output, is there a way to use this as a device that could detect open/closed dry contacts? Combined with the 24VDC power ability there are many applications to integrate other equipment. I am looking for a 24VDC powered dry contact sensor to connect to my Leviton ceiling occupancy sensors. Thanks.
Nice work rob!
I am Bulgarian and i like doing some IOT projects. I was very surprised that a Bulgarian Company did that product :). Great video i'll try the Shelly 1 looks nice
I like the idea of dry contacts that the Shelly has but I also like low voltage switching of sonoff
Oh I think this is what I have been looking for. I have my fireplace hooked up to a standard wall switch but it is low voltage. I have been looking for something I can hook up inside the box (Because I have two switches in the this box. One is low voltage and they other is running lights above the fire place. Since I have low and high in the same box would this work for controlling the Fireplace off and on? If so do you by chance have a video on how to do this?
I wanted a smart ceiling fan but in UK I've not had much luck. I was thinking could I get a Shelly to use purely on the fan side of the light? Since it's small it will fit easily. I already have the light control with a WiFi bulb. Thanks
Can i use sonoff or shelly switch to control my motorcycle ignition??
I feel like this is the perfect device for people like me who get nervous of the thought of leaving their sonoff basics inside a switch box.
Yep, I agree
i don't think this is any safer than a sonoff behind a light switch. if you wire up the sonoff to the light switch in the same way you wire up the shelly 1, i don't see any reason or evidence why one would be safer than the other. Although if using the sonoff basic i think the terminals are a little crappy.
Looking to do the same, anyone know what US standard or certification needed to do this? UL Listed? Are these certified?
They are working on a UL cert, for now they just have CE and RoHS as is required for europe.
@@TheHookUp although mine says RoHS 'COMPILANT'.....not 'COMPLIANT'... ;-)
Very good!! This is a true information!!
Any thoughts on Sonoffs new in wall switch and outlet? IW100 & IW101
I have a question about using the switch sensor. If you use the switch to turn the light on and off and then while the switch is in off position you use the app to engage the relay what happens when you put the switch in the on position while it is already on? Does it turn off the light or do nothing? To turn off the light from the switch do you have to put the switch into the on position then off again? How does app control and physical switch coexist, what is their behavior? Thank you
A great video. As they are smaller than the Sonoff basic will probably use them on my wall switches.
Have you checked out the ShellyRGBW, I would love your opinion on it and if possible a video.
I notice in almost 100% of the example Arduino code shown in videos uses the loop function. I understand from a quick and dirty demo standpoint. My question is...I have a project that constantly polls for an input. It is going to run 24/7/365. Does this constand polling over heat the processor? Would it be better to setup this up on an interrupt? I am not concerned with power, just with overheating or wearing out the processor. Thank you for your videos and sharing your knowlege.
I LOVE the Shelly 1. I have them in my home and I do have Sonoffs also. But the Shelly1 from size and out of the box options are GREAT... My only beef with Shelly1 (v3 is what I own) has very week reception once inside a metal switch box. had to move my modem closer to center of home. But works great.
But what is inside? Although an esp2866? Or could it be an esp32? I don't know which microcontroller Tasmota can handle.
Good job - covered a lot of pros/cons
Why is there 2 pack more than 2 individual ones 11.9x2 23.8 vs 24.5
Are you able to help me with sonoff gang switch. I don't have a neutral wire so the switch doesn't work.. Any other solutions
LOVE this product idea, and your videos! QUESTION: as used for home automation in the United States, would you recommend waiting to install until after a UL certification has been issued for liability concerns? Thank you!
It isn't a deal breaker for me personally, but every person needs to make that decision for themselves.
If i connect 110v AC to L and N and use the software to trigger the relay. I don't need to trigger via the SW - in fact, can I disable the SW and use it for a different purpose. Can I use the "SW" along with the Rest API /status {ison} to read its state - to know if my garage is closed or open? Can I use the Magnetic Door Contacts with a 5v+ connecting to this SW? I haven't tried it yet since i'm afraid things might blow up.
Can i control multiple smart plugs which is connected to different WiFis from cloud?
Stumbled on your Shelly video. Awesome video and well produced. Thanks for this content. I'm a complete newbie to this with some general diy skills. Shelly looks to be the solution I'm looking for to control my garage and front door exterior lights. Do you think I can use the Shelly without the firmware swap?
Absolutely, it works quite well with the stock firmware if that’s what you prefer
Great review.
Does the unit work with IFTTT?
I am pretty relaxed about using web services...
Thanks
No ifttt integration out of the box, no.
I've got several Sonoff's and Shelly's laying around here, and I wonder which one would be better to use as "smart switch" outside the wall. Can this also be done just with the shelly? Point is, it's not a wall switch, but just a switch before a dumb light, where you never see the cable. Just out of safety and looking at hardware.
I try to understand the part where you explain the GPIO shouldn't be used when connected to main voltage. I can use the shelly with the Temperature Sensor AddOn to switch a small 220v operated heating element (to prevent animal drinking water from freezing whent outside temp < 0° for example)?
Can this be used with SmartThings and Google Assistant?
Great video, I do have a dumb question for you, if I install a Shelly to my wall switch, am I able to have the light switch off and be able to turn it on via wifi?
Yes!
@The Hook Up how does the shelly 1 stack up to the sonoff mini r2 ?
Hi folks
Due to the high interest of Shelly1, we are currently out -of- stock. The next production batch will be ready on September 12, and orders will be shipped on a first-come-first-serve basis.
Amazon: There is 150 pcs witch are on the way to Amazon warehouse. Part of them will arrive today. Rest will arrive at August 29/30.
Shelly2 - we have 2k+ on stock.
Thanks for good review The Hook Up.
Short update - all pre-ordered Shelly1 from our website will be shipped at Sept 15-18 . For those who want to order from Amazon US they will be aviable at Sept 20-22. Currently we make third batch witch will be aviable end of September. Anyway our shipping time are 5-7 days all over the world, you can pre-order it from us to make sure you will not be waiting again.
just got my 8 sonoff basics in to put behind wall switches :) will see where they don't fit there this would be a good alternative!
Would it be possible to use a UniFi camera’s motion sensor to trigger the Shelly to turn on lights? If so could you do a how to video on that?
Any thoughts on WIFI range? Or how to connect the device to Alexa.
Please do more Shelly videos!!
Is it possible to use a pushbutton instead of the switch and can sensors be installed to the connector? For example a ds18x20, do we have 3.3V output or is this an input only for flashing it?
Chris Go. You have 2 options:
1. Easy but should be make very carefully.
Revert N and L, then you will have GND on the PINS instead Line. You can power it from 3.3V and GND. But if you make it wrong the sensor will be well backed :)
2. Use small transformer and few components around. Then you can power it just from 3.3V witch are much safety.
@@dimitardimitrov849 if you reverse L and N, you will blow you unit up when you connect whatever you are going to control L andN are there for a reason. This is why electricians are licensed.
Bought Shelly 1. Is the Shelly 2 like the Sonoff POW?
Does anybody have a clue how the Shelly 1 grounds GPIO 5 when SW is connected to AC/L? I'm trying to figure this out for a project, but I can't find a good method.
Thank you.
Super helpful. I'm going to check out the Shelly 1 for sure. FYI, if you flip a breaker and the switch no longer turns on the light, it DOES NOT mean that there isn't a hot wire in the box. As mentioned in the video, if you don't understand electrical wiring, don't attempt installation yourself.
Yep, good point.
Hey Ron , great review and device oh the possibilities . Though in Australia in looking at $24.00 AUD each. bit of an extreme price at the moment but I’m sure it will be cheaper once on eBay soon enough. So I thought I would check out the sonoff wall switch t1 . Can have delivered for $13.00 AUD. So will buy one of both to check out. Thanks for the great info. Really enjoying all of your video, heads up to drzzs as well for introducing your channel.....
Hello, we just open Amazon.au store and in 2 weeks they will be prime available.
@@dimitardimitrov849 Hi Dimitar. I just wanted to see if you had, or are looking at, the Australian C Tick certification? Which I think would be: AS/NZS 4417.1
The reason I ask, is they are technically not legal here without it, so if they were found after a fire, etc. Insurance would not pay out anything. So just want to be sure before purchasing!
@@amanimmortal SAA certification cost's a bit and takes time, most small producers won't get the certification due to cost, I don't think the Sonoff T1 has genuine certification, ebay sellers are saying it has but not producing the certification numbers correctly, Sonoff Basic is not certified.
Damn, the Australia tax is real.... $34.99 + delivery for two from Amazon AU :\
Hello Robert! I have a Shelly 1, not flashed with Tasmoto yet but I am contemplating the following project: I need to install a fresh air fan into a vent in our basement. For this I want to use a 12V fan like a high quality PC fan 120mm or 140mm size. The fan should be able to be controlled via home assistant to turn on/off and adjust speed in some steps (4-6 steps perhaps). To adjust speed I was thinking of using a transistor controlled swith to cut the 12v to adjust the speed. MQTT or Rest could be used. I was hoping to not have to buy an external transistor switch but use the internal in Shelly 1. Do you think that could be done? Your views and ideas yould be very much apprechiated. Thansk for great videos!
great info thanks
Excellent video! (Minor comment: At ~12:30 in the video you say that the 16A rating allows the circuit breaker to trip before the Shelly reaches it's rated *voltage* - certainly talking about *rated current*. (I miss-speak much more often than that ;-)) ). Thanks again!
In Tennessee a switch box uses one piece of #12 AWG and uses the white (neutral) wire to go back to light fixture as Hot instead of neutral. In my case I'll have to install in the light fixture box in order to power the Shelly.
Looks nice... My only problem is just the fact, that we don't have neutral in the switches. But this looks so small that it could fit the electrical wiring box so I'll probably give it a try :)
This is what I would like..I have one outlet box with 3 outlets from a 20Amp GFCI for it..I want to plug 2 things into the 3 outlets BUT I want the 1st device to be on a timer and the 2nd device to be on another timer or where I can turn them on or off individually. Does this or the sonoff due this?
How to configure shelly 1 for long press and short press in Hassio. Can it be done with node red ?
thanks for the video! its still confusing on how to hook it up if the ac line voltage blows up the gpio ports, like how do you hook it up with the low voltage output for a garage door and use a door sensor to let you know when the door is up or down like docz did?
The relay is isolated, so you can just hook one side of your "garage door open" wire to the O input, and the other side to the I input, then power it with the L and N terminals. The GPIO header should only be used for flashing new firmware.
Would this work with a low powered fireplace switch to control a gas fireplace?