You were right on the money, the speedmaster 1861 is discontinued. I bought two preowned this year in Philly , I had a feeling they were going to be gone. The new 3861 are going to be about two to 3 thousand more
Hi I normally do not comment a lot on YT , but in this case, I have to. Beginning in 2020, I had to decide to go for a Rolex Explorer or the Speedmaster. Money was was not the issue, because I had time to spend some in order to go for my very last Watch in my Life (54 now). The Explorer is a beautiful timepiece, but it didn't give me the right push to open my credit card. Different with the Speedmaster. It nearly became popular about the time, when I was born (don't be too specific here), and lasted until I am 54 now. What item on earth can say that to its heritage ?? Only a Leica Camera can do. So I checked it. It had all the flaws, which I wanted to avoid. 50 Meters waterproof is a joke, just nothing, so forget it. Hesalit gets scrachted, the Moment you take it out of the case. The Movement is old School. Puhhhh, but the Rolex is the Perfection. You know what: The Omega with the Hesalit does it for me ! I wanted something to identify with. Polywatch every half a year keeps you scratch-happy. And amazingly, the movement isn't that bad. If you have a constant and steady pattern how of using this thing, it runs constantly ! Means constantly slow or fast. But both can be adjusted. In the end you will get a perfectly running Timepiece Pls excuse my bad English. Hesalit is german, English would be Hesalite.
Omega will keep the hesalite Speedy with non display case back. They will also offer the sapphire sandwich version. Both will contain the 3861 movement with identical finishing. The price difference will be around $1000 between the two variants. The bracelet will stay the same but the clasp will feature on the fly adjustment. If Omega ditches the hesalite with non display back they tarnish the origins of the original moon watch. Will the Tachy bezel be aluminum or ceramic? Just my opinion!
Glad I bought a new hesalite speedy on leather 2 weeks ago. I really hope that omega dont mess with the classic. I can understand the movement change and I am not a fan of the current bracelet, but it's always been an icon and a bargain. Shame if it ends up being £6k +
As of today it looks like a lot of what you said is coming true. This watch is now unavailable in a lot of ADs. I think II got the last in the NE of England.
I personally think that the only thing Omega should change is the bracelet. The current one makes the watch seem larger than it actually is, due to the poorly designed end links. I also think that a bracelet with a decent taper, towards the clasp, looks so much better. Just look at the Rolex Oyster bracelet, it's perfect! Fortunately third party manufacturers are now making remakes of older Omega bracelets, which is a good thing.
I agree with you, the 1861 is going to be retired. Omega will push the co-axial movement and 321 movement. I think the Omega Speedmaster is way under valued. If Rolex had that watch it would be in the 8 grand range.
Agree with everything bar the patina. I hope you know this watch has Superluminova, and that does not patina. To patina it must have tritium hence no modern day watch will get creamy markers..
There will always be demand for these. Whatever new version they come out with will have a hefty price increase. I agree with all your predictions on this watch. I got mine for a deal so im happy keeping it although i have debated flipping for a tudor but i dont want to regret it. I made the most of my huge watch purchases about 5 years ago when Rolex/Omega watches were much cheaper glad i did with whats happened with the market.
Omega need to create a reason for existing owners to upgrade. Omega aren’t like Rolex, they don’t really care about protecting their icons or the resale market, it’s all about special and new editions to being in rapid cash so Swatch can hit targets for executive bonuses. I wonder if the changes suggested in this video would do the trick, I expect there will be something else to create a wow / upgrade reason. A ceramic bezel is probably in the mix.
Michael Dude The difference is that right now there are three steel sub variants in the Rolex catalogue, 8 in total if you include the gold variations. There are 45 moonwatch variants on Omega site today, hundreds of Speedmasters if you include racing. 57, mark 3, 38mm, etc. Omega don’t care all those options dilute the used market / the meaning of what a speedmaster is.
Went into my local AD earlier today looking at this watch to buy new hoping for a discount. She told me no discount and that its increasing price by 15% on September 1st. Hope she is lying but i wouldn't be surprised the way the economy is going.
@@randybobandy841 Everywhere else is now quoting 6% or 6.6% on forums i've seen. I think perhaps my local AD in Bournemouth was exaggerating the increase to shutdown any chance of a discount. We will see tomorrow..
I bought one from my AD in Melbourne for 15% discount earlier this month. I think the price was bumped up in June this year so another one only a few months later seems a bit odd?
@@randybobandy841 15%, was an exaggeration by the AD clearly as all watches rose by about 6.6-7% on 1st September in the UK. I got a good deal before the increase thankfully.
In hindsight, very good predictions. A little surprised though, you would expect them to do away with the hesalite. I think that would end in riots :) Come one.. hesalite is MUCH prettier, and can easily be polished, or for that sake swapped. About the bracelet. I personally like mine. But happy to explore.
I think the bracelet and clasp could come from the 60th anniversary 1957 Speedmaster. It doesn’t taper as much as the Apollo 11 50th, it’s a bit thicker and the clasp has sliding adjustment. Just my thoughts based on what you’ve said. Great info and hope you get your 321 soon. 👍
Great video! In your opinion, what would be a good pre-owned price on a later model (2019) 1861 in excellent condition, purchased from a bricks & mortar dealer? How much room do you think there would be for haggle, considering that you can get brand new grey market for pretty much similar prices?
Great vid James! Thanks for sharing your personal perspective on the moonwatch. A lot of strong points. Would be very excited to know what happens next. Throwing in a slight curveball here, do you think the FOIS would be in the same boat? Or would it be discontinued? I'm aware vid and the topic at hand dwells on the MOTM. But, as it may be worth pondering as well, just wondering how its smaller brother with figure out in its place on the market? Would it stay or would it go? A next one on que for update, perhaps?
your opinions are correct i think .. .The new watch will happen this year. I've been told that too. apart from the new movement will be a 3861 . omega should make all the improvement including the price rise. with the 3861 movement it will put the watch on pare with the Rolex if not improve on it .. Don't get me started on Rolex prices. LOL
Hey M Tbone. The £4000 Speedy could detract peoples gave from the higher priced Speedys. It would be logical for Omega to upgrade the watch now, especially now they have perfected the 3861 movement
@@showcasewatches3465 Omega AD near me claiming all Omegas got price rice of 15% incoming on September 1st.. Confirming with reliable source when they reply to me soon.
Just my personal think here, I think that the Speedy Professional has a special role to play as it is the one true piece that serves as the seminal link to one of humanity's landmark events the Moon Landing. I feel that your observations have merit, but nothing you have said is new and has been tried by Omega in all the various iteration of the Speedmaster versions, a historical case in point are the various attempts to update in the guise of deferent Mark versions. They have innovated, created sub lines, revisited historical references, tried to push the Speedmaster line up market and all manner of improvemenfs, however though much fanfare has been given during the various releases this is not borne in the secondary/preowned market. Other `Speedmaster' are not really acquiring in value. In the event that Omega does retire the Moonwatch, I fear many would divert their attention to the pre-owned market and this would cause Omege to ressuscite the Moonwatch as we know her.
Nice predictions James. So as a purist, essentially Omega is going to destroy their classic. Somehow I am saddened. However, I have to remind myself on a daily basis that the world doesn’t evolve around me and my headspace. Keep making the great content. Ciao,
Hey Paul, i am exactly the same. The movement i am 99.9% on but these moves suggested in the video would make commercial sense to allow a significant price increase to bring the Speedy up to where the other chronographs are. I hope im wrong apart from the bracelet aspect
You were right on the money, the speedmaster 1861 is discontinued. I bought two preowned this year in Philly , I had a feeling they were going to be gone. The new 3861 are going to be about two to 3 thousand more
They are still available from the boutique till date. Some Omega staff saying that they will continue producing it.
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@Jameson Dominik Definitely, I have been using flixzone for since november myself :D
Hi
I normally do not comment a lot on YT , but in this case, I have to.
Beginning in 2020, I had to decide to go for a Rolex Explorer or the Speedmaster. Money was was not the issue, because I had time to spend some in order to go for my very last Watch in my Life (54 now). The Explorer is a beautiful timepiece, but it didn't give me the right push to open my credit card.
Different with the Speedmaster. It nearly became popular about the time, when I was born (don't be too specific here), and lasted until I am 54 now. What item on earth can say that to its heritage ?? Only a Leica Camera can do. So I checked it.
It had all the flaws, which I wanted to avoid. 50 Meters waterproof is a joke, just nothing, so forget it. Hesalit gets scrachted, the Moment you take it out of the case. The Movement is old School. Puhhhh, but the Rolex is the Perfection.
You know what: The Omega with the Hesalit does it for me !
I wanted something to identify with.
Polywatch every half a year keeps you scratch-happy.
And amazingly, the movement isn't that bad.
If you have a constant and steady pattern how of using this thing, it runs constantly !
Means constantly slow or fast. But both can be adjusted.
In the end you will get a perfectly running Timepiece
Pls excuse my bad English.
Hesalit is german, English would be Hesalite.
Dude they will never get rid of the hesalite model. It's the one flight certified by NASA. It's the essence of what makes the watch popular.
True dat
Considering having my pusher buttons sealed, now that they have found water on the moon.
Omega will keep the hesalite Speedy with non display case back. They will also offer the sapphire sandwich version. Both will contain the 3861 movement with identical finishing. The price difference will be around $1000 between the two variants. The bracelet will stay the same but the clasp will feature on the fly adjustment. If Omega ditches the hesalite with non display back they tarnish the origins of the original moon watch. Will the Tachy bezel be aluminum or ceramic? Just my opinion!
My thoughts exactly. I think this will be the case. Just hope they will keep the haselite version.
DUDE you were spot f*cking on!! HOLY! Can you please start a TH-cam channel? ☺️
Glad I bought a new hesalite speedy on leather 2 weeks ago. I really hope that omega dont mess with the classic. I can understand the movement change and I am not a fan of the current bracelet, but it's always been an icon and a bargain. Shame if it ends up being £6k +
My local Omega dealer says the new Speedmasters with the 3861 will boost the prices up to at least $7k US.
Great video James. It will be very interesting to see what happens.
Blueshirt Buddah thanks Bruce 👊
As of today it looks like a lot of what you said is coming true. This watch is now unavailable in a lot of ADs. I think II got the last in the NE of England.
New bracelet and movement - it could be exciting. Plenty of the old versions will remain around for the enthusiast. Great video James 👍
Thanks Mark, just enjoy doing them :)
Most important question besides the 321 movement...Will it have the Dot Over the 90?
They’ll be updating the sapphire sandwich. Not the plexi-version.
They are updating both. With significant price increase £1100 increase of SS and similar for hesilte.
I have heard that they are going to keep the haselite as a option. The only right thing to do in my opinion
I personally think that the only thing Omega should change is the bracelet. The current one makes the watch seem larger than it actually is, due to the poorly designed end links. I also think that a bracelet with a decent taper, towards the clasp, looks so much better. Just look at the Rolex Oyster bracelet, it's perfect!
Fortunately third party manufacturers are now making remakes of older Omega bracelets, which is a good thing.
I agree with you, the 1861 is going to be retired. Omega will push the co-axial movement and 321 movement. I think the Omega Speedmaster is way under valued. If Rolex had that watch it would be in the 8 grand range.
With all respect Rolex would set a price somewhere north of 19000€ and a waiting line i cannot imagine 😅 but I could be wrong
Agree with everything bar the patina. I hope you know this watch has Superluminova, and that does not patina. To patina it must have tritium hence no modern day watch will get creamy markers..
There will always be demand for these. Whatever new version they come out with will have a hefty price increase. I agree with all your predictions on this watch. I got mine for a deal so im happy keeping it although i have debated flipping for a tudor but i dont want to regret it. I made the most of my huge watch purchases about 5 years ago when Rolex/Omega watches were much cheaper glad i did with whats happened with the market.
Omega need to create a reason for existing owners to upgrade. Omega aren’t like Rolex, they don’t really care about protecting their icons or the resale market, it’s all about special and new editions to being in rapid cash so Swatch can hit targets for executive bonuses. I wonder if the changes suggested in this video would do the trick, I expect there will be something else to create a wow / upgrade reason. A ceramic bezel is probably in the mix.
Good one mky hou, YES ceramic bezel could well be on the cards. Didn't think of that one to be fair
Michael Dude The difference is that right now there are three steel sub variants in the Rolex catalogue, 8 in total if you include the gold variations. There are 45 moonwatch variants on Omega site today, hundreds of Speedmasters if you include racing. 57, mark 3, 38mm, etc. Omega don’t care all those options dilute the used market / the meaning of what a speedmaster is.
Went into my local AD earlier today looking at this watch to buy new hoping for a discount. She told me no discount and that its increasing price by 15% on September 1st. Hope she is lying but i wouldn't be surprised the way the economy is going.
Interesting... what’s your location?
@@randybobandy841 Everywhere else is now quoting 6% or 6.6% on forums i've seen. I think perhaps my local AD in Bournemouth was exaggerating the increase to shutdown any chance of a discount. We will see tomorrow..
I bought one from my AD in Melbourne for 15% discount earlier this month. I think the price was bumped up in June this year so another one only a few months later seems a bit odd?
@@randybobandy841 15%, was an exaggeration by the AD clearly as all watches rose by about 6.6-7% on 1st September in the UK. I got a good deal before the increase thankfully.
I’m surprised that Omega is planning on any changes on the “Man on the Moon 🌙 “ watch! Isn’t that what “Special Editions” are for???
Do omega like special editions though... 😁
Good video sir.👍🏼
In hindsight, very good predictions. A little surprised though, you would expect them to do away with the hesalite. I think that would end in riots :) Come one.. hesalite is MUCH prettier, and can easily be polished, or for that sake swapped. About the bracelet. I personally like mine. But happy to explore.
I think the bracelet and clasp could come from the 60th anniversary 1957 Speedmaster. It doesn’t taper as much as the Apollo 11 50th, it’s a bit thicker and the clasp has sliding adjustment. Just my thoughts based on what you’ve said. Great info and hope you get your 321 soon. 👍
Great video! In your opinion, what would be a good pre-owned price on a later model (2019) 1861 in excellent condition, purchased from a bricks & mortar dealer? How much room do you think there would be for haggle, considering that you can get brand new grey market for pretty much similar prices?
Hey Mat, you should be able to achieve £3200 brand new. £2800 - £3000 pre owned depending on condition etc. I wouldn't pay over £3200 brand new
Great vid James! Thanks for sharing your personal perspective on the moonwatch. A lot of strong points. Would be very excited to know what happens next.
Throwing in a slight curveball here, do you think the FOIS would be in the same boat? Or would it be discontinued? I'm aware vid and the topic at hand dwells on the MOTM. But, as it may be worth pondering as well, just wondering how its smaller brother with figure out in its place on the market? Would it stay or would it go? A next one on que for update, perhaps?
First time i m in yrr wheel house outside of AC3 and. Clyve and co./Blueshirt Buddha
Ceramic bezel maybe?
If it will have plastic parts, i would go to the display case back.
What a good video, spot on.
I want the hesalite thank you... for me sapphire can go brrr
your opinions are correct i think .. .The new watch will happen this year. I've been told that too. apart from the new movement will be a 3861 . omega should make all the improvement including the price rise. with the 3861 movement it will put the watch on pare with the Rolex if not improve on it .. Don't get me started on Rolex prices. LOL
Did you flip your Apollo 11?
You mean the 3861 movement don't you? You said 3821
No way. The pro will remain constant. There are plenty and plenty and plenty of other speedies they can update
Hey M Tbone. The £4000 Speedy could detract peoples gave from the higher priced Speedys. It would be logical for Omega to upgrade the watch now, especially now they have perfected the 3861 movement
@@showcasewatches3465 I hear you, just sounds like the death of the classic speedy
@@showcasewatches3465 Omega AD near me claiming all Omegas got price rice of 15% incoming on September 1st.. Confirming with reliable source when they reply to me soon.
Theres a lot of "I think" in this video
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Hey GMT Master
Respektos
@@showcasewatches3465 Interesting take....
Just my personal think here, I think that the Speedy Professional has a special role to play as it is the one true piece that serves as the seminal link to one of humanity's landmark events the Moon Landing. I feel that your observations have merit, but nothing you have said is new and has been tried by Omega in all the various iteration of the Speedmaster versions, a historical case in point are the various attempts to update in the guise of deferent Mark versions. They have innovated, created sub lines, revisited historical references, tried to push the Speedmaster line up market and all manner of improvemenfs, however though much fanfare has been given during the various releases this is not borne in the secondary/preowned market. Other `Speedmaster' are not really acquiring in value. In the event that Omega does retire the Moonwatch, I fear many would divert their attention to the pre-owned market and this would cause Omege to ressuscite the Moonwatch as we know her.
Nice predictions James. So as a purist, essentially Omega is going to destroy their classic. Somehow I am saddened. However, I have to remind myself on a daily basis that the world doesn’t evolve around me and my headspace. Keep making the great content. Ciao,
Hey Paul, i am exactly the same. The movement i am 99.9% on but these moves suggested in the video would make commercial sense to allow a significant price increase to bring the Speedy up to where the other chronographs are. I hope im wrong apart from the bracelet aspect