For anybody wondering why I'm not on camera, I've got to keep my talking down to minimum right now so I had to script it all and even just reading aloud I still managed to cough up half a lung and wake up the kids so be thankful you've even got a video this week 🤣🤣
get better Paul. Starting to get worried, you're sick every other week lately. Make a full recovery this time! Makes no sense to dive 100% right into life, if that only keeps you jumping from one sickness to another. But who am I kidding. I'm not letting my arm cure out cleanly neither. I should stay off the keyboard and the workbench too.. but I can't. This arm needs to find a way to heal while being abused.
The summary is perfect! How many plugins can one company release that are just new versions of old plugins and sell them as the NEW thing? HEY! WAVES, they are called UPDATES!!!
I've got a doctors appointment tomorrow to discuss the constant illnesses. Some have said that it's maybe 'long covid' but I was completely floored over Christmas and new year before I got covid in February. It might be that my wife's a child minder and due to lock down and staying indoors kids weren't picking up as much illnesses and then when it eased and they went back to school bugs spread about like wildfire but tbh it's very bad where I am just now. People getting sick and taking as much as 6 weeks to recover for stuff that'd take a week or 2, years before. I'm on anti biotics now as they are sure it's bronchitis but even to get the antibiotics it took for me to be coughing up blood until they caved in. Just kept on sending me for covid pcr's which have all been negative. I've never been this ill in my life as I've got (or had) a very strong immune system. Lucky if I was feeling shit 2 or 3 times a year. Now im floored every fucking month 🤣
@@PaulThird Heard similar stories from a couple of people who took the shots. I really hope that it's coincidence, because many of my loved ones got vaccinated. In my experience health is a very multidimensional thing. Eating well and excercising are the easier part of the equasion, emotional and mental health (as in stress and general outlook on life) are more difficult and affect important things like: sleeping well and feeling good/living well. Whatever it is, that is causing you to get sick all the time, I think odds are you can rid yourself of it with good decisions and good mentality. If you had great health most of your life, reason suggests something got introduced to your life. And since Covid isn't really a big thing for young healthy adults (with few exceptions) - my wild guess would be that isn't it. Wishing you and your family well! PS: "Long Covid" is a very unclear thing and could just as well be "long lockdown" or "long shots". Bronchitis is bronchitis and not long-covid. If you read the WHO-guidelines, you'll notice there are clear incentives to count everything as Covid. But that's just my two cents. I'm not a virologist, epidemiologist or doctor, just someone who reads a lot of scientific papers and takes a look at raw data himself.
I dunno... I do a lot of audio restoration and I'm kind of blown away at how Waves Clarity is isolating voice from very difficult background noises - doppler effect cars, ocean waves etc. I have noise reduction software from Accusonus, Acon (my preferred broadband), RX and Spectrasonics - none of them can do what Clarity does... I'm Waves' biggest critic (well... second biggest!) but I think they've done something extraordinary this time.
Look, I work on dialogue pretty much every day of the week and am very familiar with noise reduction tools. I agree the Accusonus is quite good for what it is, I agree the NS1 description is misleading at best, but I do think you're a bit off the mark with this one as I'll explain. First of all, RX Voice Denoise, Accusonus Noise Remover/Pro, and NS1 are all classic multi-band gate/expander style broadband noise reduction tools. (Cedar DNS, Waves WNS, Brusfri, etc) Tools like Waves Clarity/Pro, RX Dialogue Isolate, Acon Digital Extract: Dialogue, and Accentize VoiceGate are all machine learning Neural Network denoisers. They are not the same, comparing them is very much apples to oranges as they have their own use cases, strengths, and weaknesses. The former, let's use Voice Denoise as an example: "Under the hood is a series of 64 psychoacoustically spaced bandpass filters which act as a multiband gate to pass or stop a signal based on user-defined threshold values." The latter, let's use Dialogue Isolate as an example: "Dialogue Isolate uses a deep neural network, which was trained on large amounts of speech and noise data to automatically recognize the percentage of speech in every time-frequency bin of the spectrogram. Once trained, the neural network processes the incoming audio into separated speech and noise components with independently controllable levels." So what does this mean in practice? I think this is best explained if you think about what's being *separated* by each technique. Multiband style gates are separating noise by threshold. You're separating 'signal' over a given threshold from 'signal' under a given threshold, and classifying the signal under the threshold as 'noise'. Neural Network trained denoisers are separating the Dialogue from *everything else*. Boost the reduction, and you're simply taking what the algorithm decided was dialogue based on its training, and keeping it at the same level while attenuating the rest. "Dialogue Isolate is designed to separate spoken dialogue from non-stationary background noise such as crowds, traffic, footsteps, weather, or other noise with highly variable characteristics." This is also why the Ambience preservation for RX Dialogue Isolate exists; you don't always want to attenuate 'broadband' noise. So a NN Denoiser's strength is reducing instantaneous, non continuous, or variable noise from the dialogue. One such example being a mic smack over dialogue- something I used RX Dialogue Isolate to fix earlier today I'll link at the bottom. Another strength of NN denoiser's are it's ability to separate dialogue from HIGH level noise/ poor signal to noise. So what's the weaknesses of a NN denoiser? As a whole; their false positives (their ability at correctly identifying what is dialogue or not) can mean unnecessary artifacts on parts of the dialogue. RX Dialogue Isolate: non-realtime, no band control. Acon Extract: Dialogue: realtime but adds non insignificant delay to the delay compensation. Not as good sounding (opinion), no ambience preservation, or ability to 'boost' dialogue as in the RX DX Isolate module. Clarity VX/Pro: No ambience preservation or the ability to 'boost' the dialogue as in the RX Dialogue Isolate module. No sensitivity So what makes Clarity VX unique or special? Its the fastest realtime NN denoiser, 95% the audio quality as RX Dialogue Isolate (opinion), with band control (vx pro). From a workflow perspective I've been seeing: Offline RX for heavy or surgical NR > realtime Cedar DNS or Waves WNS for dialogue tracks > Acon Extract: Dialogue or Clarity VX/Pro on the dialogue bus. Clarity VX is very much NOT comparable to NS1 or Accusonus Noise Remover. It makes no sense for it to be given to you as a free upgrade. Just because it's a four band Noise Reduction with a similar UI to Accusonus does not make Clarity VX the same. Another viewer commented before the idea that Accusonus could have sold the code to Waves. They did not. As far as NRs go, it does not behave remotely the same. It WILL NOT effectively remove instantaneous or non-stationary noises. Again, I use these tools every single day of my life and I'm not being hyperbolic about that; if you want comparable NR tools, Accusonus Noise Remover pro is comparable to RX Voice Denoise. Clarity VX is comparable to RX Dialogue Isolate, (or more accurately Acon Extract: Dialogue or Accentize Voicegate [realtime NN NRs]), and NS1 is comparable to Accusonus Noise Remover. I also believe their prices are very well priced. Here's an imgur link to a view images hopefully demonstrating the difference between NN and multiband style NR's: imgur.com/a/BlT4ACK
Clarity VX is in certain cases can preserve more high mids in the voice. It’s a pretty good denoiser. Others I use are Absentia, Rx elements and Brusfri. Ideally want RX advanced. Of course, the dream is Cedar, nothing compares to that, yet. Edit: Ns-1 is nothing but a gate with a sidechain HP around 500-1khz side chain in my testing. I guess that’s what they mean by ‘intelligent’
When you make an accent that’s not your normal accent, it makes me think your normal accent is not your normal accent at all. I love your salesmen voice 😂
I demoed this on a dialogue track with a lot of background boise from people, doors slamming, etc. cleaned it up amazingly well. Like nothing else I tried. This is a stand out plugin, sure others will remove hum and his but this will remove unusual, random and loud noises. I bought it right away.
I'm just curious - can the waves plugin remove metronome sound from vocal? It actually sometimes gets recorded (at home) possibly due to a slight headphone bleeding.
Can't remember if I kept spl reverb when I cancelled my sub but something tells me I did. I was getting complaints when I was using deverb on my voice overs though
I am working as a professional mastering engineer for 30 years now and audio restoration was always a hot topic. I had the pleasure to work with CEDAR hardware which was always lightyears ahead of the competion. Since I work from my home studio I have tried a lot of restoration plugins, because I can't afford CEDAR. I've tried all 'old' Waves plugins like NS-1, X-Noise, Z-Noise etc. and other plugins like Sony. I think NS-1 is not working well even for light braodband noise. In the end I bought Izotope RX, which I am still using today. The spectral repair mode is a wonder. Did I buy the Clarity Vx plugin? YES! For 30 bucks it's a steal. I wouldn't use it for broadband noise reduction as Paul was testing it on - I still prefer a combination of RX spectral denoise and Voice denoise. BUT if you have random noises - for example from an outdoors video - it gives you results that you can work with very fast. Noises you would be hard pressed to eliminate even with RX. Clarity Vx will never be my go-to-restoration tool, but it is a good addition to my arsenal.
I agree. For $29 it's a good purchase for guys recording in untreated rooms and stuff. People will just wait till it goes back to the $29 sale price. However that's dependent on how its sold in its intro period. However even at $60 I'm unsure if its worth it as there is a lot of free denoiser stuff and reverbs out there for guys recording vocals in their house. I do think $29 is a good prove though
I've always used Transient Master for reducing ambient noise. But I've also never had to worry about someone recording their vocals in an empty garage while cooking
Totally haha.. "Sorry about the extractor fan and the micro pinging in the chorus, I copped it all on my iPhone 10S but your a pro so I knew you'd be able to make it work" Mate why does the ambience change in the second verse? "I recorded it in my bathroom cause I needed a shit but you can just edit out those plops and reduce the cistern hiss from flushing.. Theres plugins for that right? I seen this one video where some broad is singing with a vacuum in the background. I thought it was a porno but it was a plugin demo.. I was gutted man. Either way I know you'll work it out"
Now i kinda hope there's some legendary artist who has recorded all their albums on the toilet, and they aren't telling anyone until their HoF induction night
Get well soon my wee peh munching amigo. Peace from Fife4Life. Was it in Fife you learned that 3 came after 2??you must be the first Dundonian that can count half your toes. Hehe. Liked the track Warren reviewed the mix of. ✌️✌️✌️
Ive tried the accusonus product but it isn't as clear as the new waves plugin and also take alot of the bulk of the original vocal wave file. I liked the NS 1 but it wasn't as descent as the new plugin
Quickly tested some of the Accusonus plugins today (for cleaning up badly recorded voicetags). I grade the deverb B-, the denoise B and the de-esser was surprisingly good as well: B-. Easy to dial in, does the job without destroying the "vocal" and makes it ready for heavy processing. They didn't perform magic, as in: If you abuse them, you will manage to destroy your vocals. I think they are good, but I suspect the newer RX-stuff will be better. I only have the RX7 and 6, but most people who really restore a lot usually use RX, that's why I'm guessing it's probably better.
From the post production guys I speak to it seems to be rx9 for all them but for the stuff I do accusonus is more than equipped to do what I need to do.
Hi Paul. I really enjoy your videos and your total no nonsense approach. I'm not sure what I thought about this one though. Since time immemorial washing powder companies have advertised new products as the whitest white ever ever ever and surely that's all Waves are doing here. NS1 was the intelligentest most cleanupiest noise suppressor they had to offer until Clarity came along which of course is the neuralnetworkiest. But they are not even like for likes - Clarity is specifically a tool for dialogue, and isn't that how they're presenting it? I have to say it's been a life saver for me as I'm working on a project with no budget available which was barely passable as a commercial release. For the price of a couple of takeaway pizzas Clarity has saved the day. Frankly I don't care how the advertise it!!!! Great as it is I have found it struggles a bit when people are grunting or breathing heavy - ie non verbal sounds but I just switch those bits out to different suppression - no great hardship. Right. Off to buy a pizza (wish I hadn't mentioned pizza now) Hope you feel better soon :)
I get what your saying but when I see crafty marketing I'll always point it out. We all know clarity has better tech than NS1 BUT waves still sell NS1 with the exact same marketing nonsense which to newbies is gonna look like it's the best noise reduction tech on the market. For me it's the fact that they have no intention re-working the noise suppression plugs I've bought already as they want to make more money out of me by creating more plugins. They could have easily updated NS1 and combined the vx machine learning into it as an additional feature to make it an all in one noise reduction plugin which can seperate noise from any source and also focus solely on voice by switching to the vx feature. But they didn't cause they are one of the greediest plugin devs out there. To cut a long story short. Accusonus era bundle has been free ever since meta/zuckerberg bought over accusonus as there's no accusonus licensing now. It even has a one stop shop plugin where it listens to your vocal and gives you recommended effects ie noise reduction, mouth declick, de-essing, vocal levelling, auto eq. Takes all of their one knob plugins in the bundle and combines the effects in one with reccomended clean up settings. The Pro 4 band noise remover is included as well. So you can see my annoyance when waves once again go down the greed route and make a new plugin out of something that's been going around for years already. Its a good noise reduction plugin don't get me wrong but to me there's no incentive to stick with them as they don't update their plugins. They just make new ones
@@PaulThird Hi Paul. Ah yes I see where you're coming from. As a matter of fact there is an issue with WNS and NS1 which I raised with Waves, and which they have acknowledged. I also sent them a video of how I am working around the issue. After the matter being referred to their tech team they came back to me with a suggested workaround.... which was the one I sent them in my video in the first place lol. I guess they had no intention of fixing it as they knew this new tech was on the way and I imagine there will be a Clarity (neural net) version of one or both of those plugins coming soon. I guess my angle is that compared to the time I would have wasted on this project (without knowing Accusonus was out there) far outweighs the price (at least the introductory price) for buying Clarity. Perhaps that has blinkered my vision a little with regards to what you are trying to do with your videos... saving the unwary from the unscrupulous (for alliterative purposes only... no resemblance to any company called Waves either living or dead is intended in that remark)
Hey Paul, UAD just released native versions of their plugins called spark. Do you mind doing a video of their aliasing behaviors and sound comparison between the dsp version (if u have them)?
There is something very zen like about hearing the repeats of the recording :) Don't tell anyone, but I couldn't help trying to repeat it as it went along ... "alot of da hum, some of dat hass as well" ;p
Also, Clarity VX does not work natively on Apple Silicon processors. You gotta run daw in Rosetta, and so every other darn plugin. That is a major, major disadvantage for many people on the Apple silicon platform. Waves has said they are working on an apple silicon version, but I don't hold my breath for it coming soon. It's been a while already. Also, at least according to my tests, even though Clarity VX can remove breathing sounds better -- say when using podcast style micing with condenser mics (which some use this way, myself included, for several reasons), accusonus sounds less robotic for steady background noise removal, say a loud fan. Clarity VX arguably does better for more complex situations, rescuing your voice from heavy traffic. Stuff of this sort. But I CAN see cases where accusonus is arguably better. There's advantages and disadvantages for both, and this is a nuanced issue.. never mind accusonus exists no more as a company.. so expect no updates. But hey, at least that works natively on m1... for now at least, assuming some OS update does not break it :) And for steady background noise removal it has more natural results for me than Clarity VX... at least in my experience and use cases.. with air purifier running hard.. another fan, at times.. with the disadvantage of not tackling heavy breathing like clarity vx can. But when I tested this stuff against heavy traffic, clarity vx smashed, I must say. That's just not a relevant use case scenario for me atm. PS: fine video, thanks for your contribution!
After I got RX10.. I can genuinely say I'll have no use for accusonus or any waves restoration stuff. Hands down the best restoration suite I've ever used
@@PaulThird I also love RX10, and got very "natural" results from denoise tool, but just used the trial of elements version. ATM I just coupled accusonus with clarity vx, and am getting great results :D Clarity vx mostly used to get rid of heavy breathing sounds, accusonus first in the chain.
Im still an RX 8Voice DeNoise user. I like it for the most part. It works well on keeping the room ambience. But I noticed I have to boost the highs more on my Vocals.
Bro this plugin is to isolate the voice from every sound not just background noise and not just a lower volume/level noise, take a recording outside with cars, people and louder than your voice sounds and try again, clarity will clean up everything and acussonus and ns1 will die trying
Accusonus is out of the plugin game, bought out by Meta. Since the interfaces are pretty much the same I would not be surprised in case the code would also be exactly the same, meaning - just sold to Waves at the end of their business. Not a rip-off, just a sale-off.
Check out voicegate and dialogue extractor, both use machine learning but miles ahead of waves and izotope. I have been using era in my daily work for years, it’s amazing…
Paul I completely agree with what you've said & I can't take anymore mate, I just fekkkkkin can't take it? I'm ready to flip now honestly.. I've been a mug to buy most of these crappy plugins & I'm raging wae masel!! I'm just gonny stick to making my wee daft songs as if I had a 4 track mixer.. Mate I just watched PLAPs latest video on mastering and I swear I have not a Scrooby of what the guy in the studio was on about.. Maybe you do & all the peeps in the comments seem to all get it so good luck to them I'm offski.. I'm finished man.. How they every made all those great songs off yester year without sidechain eq going into 7 different compressors onto a phantom master bus in mono just made me realise this game compresses over 'or under' my threshold.. I'll always watch yer vids dude as your honest & I can get what your saying so please don't change.. Leave the heavy lifting to Dan.. Canny believe I've missed out on so much time with my missus and the pub.. #scunnered #selfloathed 🤘🏽🤥
Tbh I was watching it whilst I was wiring up all the alarm panels in work and I would need to watch it again as I wasn't picking up much. I heard 7 compressors and atmos and that was about all that went in haha I'd need to watch it in full and actually concentrate on it
@@PaulThird I might have intentionally laid it on thick (like myself) but I had no clue as a frown appeared on my face of what this dude (not warren) I das on about honest man.. I I'm usually no bad, on occasion I may need to put some thought to it but this video just seems to cast me into darkness & I can't be doing with that? I just want to make songs have fun & never look at any video that's trying to help the community out with total bewilderment.. Watch it another time & if I'm honest I think Warren (who we love) was puggled.. He was. 🤣👍
Clarity is more like RX 9 Dialogue Isolate and rather classifying them as just noise suppression I would put them in their own class because they work to remove ANY sound that is not a vocal as opposed to just removing noise with noise profiles and inverted polarity the way most de-noise plugins work. The edge Clarity has on RX 9 Dialogue Isolate is it be uses as a plugin insert.
@@PaulThird Have used some of their plugins however I don't have the noise remover. I am not knocking them. I'll take your word for it but from this example, although Accusonus' results were very clean if not cleaner, the test recording just had noise and no other unwanted distinct sounds such as a car horn or birds chirping for example. I was curious to see if ERA noise remover was capable of the same thing as Clarity/RX Dialogue Isolate because then I'd be surprised it wasn't raved about more with all this time it has been available.
If you go on the accusonus website you'll notice they aren't trading anymore. That's cause meta/Facebook bought them over for their tech for what's being touted between 70-100 mil. That's how good the tech is haha My advice is get your hands on them if you can.. Which is still possible 🙄🤐
Hi Paul, hope you will be feeling better soon. I just fought off the impulse of buying some more Waves plugins this week. I use many of their plugins when I mix and generally they perform well. I really appreciate the reality check you provide with these types of video's. Read The Fine Print ! I also just received the FREE Accusonus Bundle with Noise Remover Pro included ! 🤣You Rock !!
my dude.. i also thought the waves promo also looked like a porno hahahaha talkin bout the comparison i would say waves clarity does a very good job but the accusonus did sound a lil better. very close though!!!! gotta love Zukerberg for buying them tho.. i think u know what i mean hehe ;)
Accusonus ERA plugins were recently "sunset". On the website they state: "Thanks for your support! Accusonus is embarking on a new adventure!" Seeing the very obvious design similarities between ERA and Clarity VX/VX Pro, I've got a gut feeling that either Waves bought the code or they hired some of the ex Accusonus stuff.
well, by that logic every plugin company should give free upgrades and free similar plugins to everything... It made sense in the case of the ssl channel strip, but this is really stretching it way to far... I'm not a waves "fanboy", most of their recent stuff was more amusing than usable to me, but I have to give credit where it's deserved. Clarity is finally a professional tool, and even the pro version has some features which might be extremely helpful for certain tasks in sound post.
I disagree as they had a chance to integrate the technology into NS1 and make it an all in one noise reduction plugin. The vx could have easily been coded into NS1 as an additional option with the fader acting as the scroll wheel. But they didn't and decided to confuse newbies by selling them individually so they have 'the best technology in vx' but still market NS1 as "The most intuitive professional noise suppression plugin ever created" Tbh the entire accusonus restoration bundle going free has lost them a ton of sales anyway
okay, not even through yet, but I'll point out something that is reaaally obvious to me and makes this comparison.. difficult. The accusonus doesn't only clean out the noise, it also cleans out the reverb waaay more than the others do. That's what I expect a de-verb to do, not necessarily what I experct from a denoiser. But you'll probably mention that in a second.
okay, you don't. You actually expect them to clean out the reverberation of the room. In that case the accusonus does the best job by a long shot - in my opinion. The clarity is better than the ns1, but it cuts the reverb late and not as instantly as the accusonus.. which was audible on the first listen through. So you get a bit of verb and then it unnaturally cuts off. Which I think is simply because the verb is at the "noise"-threshold at that point - so much for "AI". That's just me. I hate denoisers. I don't like using them. I use deverbs, but I don't use denoise, unless it's more of a restauration than a recording. I just hate what it does to vocals - usually. The accusonus actually sounded okay - but I'd have to try it to know it. What's the price on that? Only offer I found was 66,63 on reverb dot com, but that very well may be the devil playing tricks on me for obvious reasons.
The more I think about it, the more a good AI would make a lot of sense for restauration purposes. Imagine you are in a great room and had a great recording. But something made noise... don't care what it is. You don't want to kill the room-verb, you want to ONLY kill the noise. Now a great AI would be able to tell the difference between instruments (by pitch) and noise, right? But the clarity obviously doesn't do it, unless it's in the options and you didn't manage - which I doubt. That would have been a unique selling point.
I already have izotope, accusonus and ns-10 but clarity vx beats them all by a mile. In particular, non-periodic individual noises are almost completely eliminated, something of this quality has never existed before. And I hate waves...
What i don't understand about all of these tests is that everyone always crancks up the reduction so that the noise is completely gone or way too low. Since noise reduction plugins seem to be used for audio with video mostly, this is something you would never do. I'm by no means an expert ( i worked one year as an intern for post production of documentaries), but as far as i'm concerned you usually just want to shape the noise so that it looses it's edges that are distracting and bring it below the level of dialog but never just kill it. For this i always preferred to work within the rx editor since its really easy to be selective there. With all that said i still think this a great video for calling out waves to try to sell another plugin as another "GaME cHaNGer".
Tbh if you don't push the plugins to their limits in your tests then it leaves room for guys to hit you up on margins for error. Honestly, if you are doing the youtube thing.. Don't give them any wiggle room for excuses haha I think being honest the most common use for these plugins is for them to be used quite subtly to take out marginal room noise and ambience when recording vocals. Fan, computer noise, just stuff that will be brought up when compressing the vocal. Compression is what really starts causing the issue as the more you compress the more you increase the noise floor. Tbh Nobody in their right mind would be recording professional vocals in my electrical workshop but more excessive uses is probably quite handy for those that vlog outside and stuff to deal with Excessive wind noise etc etc. In vlogs you want your voice to be as clear as possible, especially guys like me with thick accents and you'll probably end up compressing a lot to make your voice more consistent dynamically which means you'll need a good wallop of noise reduction. Just depends on the circumstances really 🤓
@@PaulThird Thank you for your response. You're right i'm probably way too caught up in my own bubble. So that i was too quick to dismiss all the other potential uses noise reduction plugins can offer. Thats on me. I just really would wish someone would actually review it in a way that would make sense in post production for film since people that have these settings all crancked up is all i can find.
Tbh i'd like a video like that as well as they didn't really use noise reduction plugins when I was at college and uni but tbf that was 10 years ago.. They were all pretty shit back then.. Times have changed 🤣
Christ almighty, this thing is primarily directed at post, people. Unless you've had to do dialogue cleanup as your occupation, you really don't understand what you're looking at. "No one will pay $250" Yes, they absolutely will if they're spending 60 hours of work per week doing dialogue cleanup with a tool that blows at least 4 RX modules out of the water. It will literally pay for itself in one hour. It doesn't make RX obsolete as there are many more restoration tasks than broadband noise removal.
@@PaulThird You're talking about the ERA? They're discontinued. Can you even download it? It certainly doesn't make sense to use a discontinued product in a professional environment.
The installers still exist but they've removed all licensing as they've been bought over. They'll be no more updates obviously but the whole bundle is awesome as it is
@@PaulThird You'd pay $250 because like Pulse Maps said, it does something that the others don't do. RX works better than the Accusonus stuff to my ear, but nothing from either of those will handle the extreme noises like Clarity. All the others are great from general broadband background noises, but those doing dialogue for major films will definitely be flocking to the Clarity Pro version.
@@pulsemaps You can get it. You can't officially from their page, but lots of people have links to grab the software. I went through all their plugins and not sure I'll even keep them on my computer. RX works better in my opinion and now Clarity does something that none of them can achieve. But I do love variety. I've found that sometimes an RX plugin used lightly, followed by NS1 with the fader on 2 or 3 for a little extra reduction can do wonders. But like you said, if doing dialogue stuff regularly, Clarity seems like a game changer and certainly worth 29 bucks. But even the pro version will be worth it to some.
Wow that NS1 really sounds like lossy-compressed garbage doesn’t it?? Impressed how the Accusonus takes away the noise but leaves the room ambience - I didn’t even know that plugin existed! As for the Clarity Xblahblahblah - well, who really cares! 😂🤣
Waves plugins are always listed as $1000000000 but on sale for $29... I don't want to live in this marketing manipulative hell nightmare antisocial world anymore.
It is what it is. Basically anything from Waves and Plugin Alliance is $29.99 throughout the year at random points and $19 on Black Friday through New Years.
Funny I trialed the clarityvx and was really amazed at first but the cpu spikes are awful that it makes it hard to use on live stream. Luckily I saw a video about accusonus giving away their ERA 6 bundle for free after being bought by Meta, grabbed it and felt thankful on how it saved me from buying that unusable overhyped plugin. 😌
In regards to the standard Vx I'd say yes but If you've not been part of the waves history and invested a lot of money in their products and other noise reduction plugs then your viewpoint is always going to be different. For example, if you've not bought any noise reduction plugs for vocals and you picked up Vx for $29 then yeah good buy but it's only for vocals. That's the snag as you'd still need an overall noise reduction plug for other uses which is where NS1 comes in as it's currently same price and is marketed as a noise suppressor for dialogue. On paper, NS1 is the better purchase so id be confused as to why i had to buy 2 plugins for noise reduction when they could make it 1 If it's not in the sale then as a new customer I wouldnt be interested due to the competition already out there. Would I as a new customer care if they've copied another developers format.. No.. But I would be pissed if I could get those plugins for $0.. (I won't say much further...)
@@PaulThird That's a solid answer. I'm a session player that has done little recording on my own without an existing studio, engineer, and producer present. In the last four years I decided to build my own studio, because remote playing is honestly where the money is at these days. With the studio build I've had to get an education in production and mixing, which means I'm a newer Waves customer. I'm a new customer to most every plugin manufacturer. While I've got most of the outboard hardware you could want I still need plugins, so I buy them as I need them. If a plugin does something I will use, I buy it. If a plugin does something I need I buy it. I got the Mercury bundle on sale at $600ish, and I've added some others along with it. I have no clue about the histories of these developers nor their plugins, and I've not put any thought into on whether that even matters or not.
For you it won't matter.. Unless you start to feel your initial investment was wasted because you find plugins that do the job better than what you purchased. That's where my issue started. Over a grand spent on waves over the years and slowly over time I started to replace them with other plugins that gave me better results. Over a grands worth of plugins down to about 5 or 6 if I'm lucky. I've invested in tools that I don't have a use for now. I can't upgrade them either unless I pay for each which is like over £400 or something just now, and I can't sell them due to their license transfer fees which is 10% or 15% of the full price. You buy a plugin for £30 in the sale and end up having to pay a licence fee of like £15-20 per plugin. It's a joke. The plugins are only as good for as long as you continue to find a use for them. Everybodys different. I'm a proper plugin snob who refuses to buy gear so I scour the ends of the Plugin market for the best I can get to my ears. I learned to be very particular in what I spent my money on. It just depends on your tastes and your expectations tbh which is down to each person.
@@PaulThird Why not sell them in bulk? You get the yearly transfer to move the license to new machines. Put it on a flash. I keep all of mine on external SSD drives.
@@PaulThird Also, as an aside: I know you put the monetary investment into a tangible thing, being the plugins themselves, but you also invested in learning to use and knowing them inside and out. While the plugins may outdate your ability and knowledge wont.
Depends which way you look at it haha meta bought them over so they aren't selling the products BUT the plugin installers still exist.. And accusonus's licensing doesn't.. Let's say its essentially a very long trial for the foreseeable future......
U didnt understand, for what this plugin was made. Try to use it on a song, to delete the music. Clarity does magic and can reduce everything, but not a static noise.
Isn't NS1 just for hum and mild noise, and Clarity for extreme stuff? I mean, acording to their demo video examples, and what other people have put out it's pretty extreeme. NS1 can't do that remotely close. Anothet rhing, the technology behind this probably isn't developed by Waves but they are just licensing it from someone.
Nah when they released it was sold as a one stop shop noise suppression plugin. In their own words; "The most intuitive professional noise suppression plugin ever created, Waves NS1 Noise Suppressor intelligently differentiates between dialog and unwanted noise. Perfect for post production, audio forensics and musical applications alike, NS1 instantly analyzes and adapts to your signal in real-time, bringing the foreground into focus as it eliminates unnecessary background noise" I'm not taking hum and mild noise from that haha
Gotta be honest, you don't seem objective here. Listened to your tests with $9 earbuds and clarity is clearly better at noise reduction than the competition. It renders the noise basically inaudible. Some of the others cut reverb more, but personally I think noise reduction plugins should be judged mainly on, you know, reducing noise. The pro version seems to have a knob to control reflections, though I also wouldn't pay the asking price (but it's been near the top of their best sellers list since release so you're wrong if you think no one will).
Aye, but hink aboot it neebur. Git vx and the multi band dynamic eq fir forty odd quid n ye kin git two leccy peeyanys anaw fir nowt. Ah ken, ah did last night. Wifes gonny boot ma hoop when she sees the bank statement, but hey ho, eh. Greetins fae darkest fife.
But neebur.. Why piy forty squid when ye can get the other aine for hee haw.. Canna say much but dae sum diggin neebur n ye can keep that forty squid in the back bin.. Eh didnae tell ye though 😅
I agree. BUT .... Clarity offers something that in some situations works better than RX9. Nothing from Izotope can remove extreme noise without artifacts as far as I can tell. Not even close.
Best part about this video? YOU ARE USING A 2+ YEAR OLD VERSION OF RX!! RX just killed it too! It imparted the least amount of noise and artifacts. and their algorithms have only gotten better over time. I recently accidentally opened and did a project with RX8 and did my latest one on RX9 and it was a world of a difference. the project was a podcast where i was hired to remove noise. Also i feel the clarity standard is an NS1 upgrade and the pro is a WNS upgrade. I wish they were kinder about this stuff. they are such a greedy company too. one thing i NEVER hear people talk about with plugins is the number of licenses you get when you buy it. izotope is by far one of the more generous companies out there. Waves gives you one license and you gotta pay a yearly fee for a 2nd and it's a pain in the ass to remove a license too (cloud management once per year otherwise you have to physically be on the computer). I have 2 computers i regularly use for audio, this does NOT work. Their products are okay and the price isn't too bad (RX elements is often cheaper on sales though), but to have so many restrictions for okay just doesn't do it for me.
I forgot it was rx7 haha 🤣 Yeah the license and WUP carry on is a nightmare. I can only have my waves plugins on 1 computer. I've tried everything to get them to work on my laptop but nope.. Licence issues, makes it even worse cause I've got tons of v9's. You have to use legacy installers and shit and its just an absolute pain the arse. The day I pay into the update plan is the day when I've completely lost my marbles 🤣
Well put!! I’ve now completely weaned myself off of all plugins they make other than the frustratingly good WavesTune which (quirks aside) is still very handy even compared to the newest Melodyne Studio which I also own.
@@PaulThird yup! They get you by locking you in to a update plan from a cheap upfront plug-in cost. Yet every other developer will charge a higher up front cost ($50-$100) and never charge a dime for upgrades. Or charge a subscription fee every year for all of their plugins not just the ONES YOU ALREADY PAID FOR! Is update? Guess you can’t use waves anymore! This is why many studios stuck with decades old computers because the cost of upgrading their software (waves/pt at the time) was insane. Now it’s cheap af.
For anybody wondering why I'm not on camera, I've got to keep my talking down to minimum right now so I had to script it all and even just reading aloud I still managed to cough up half a lung and wake up the kids so be thankful you've even got a video this week 🤣🤣
get better Paul. Starting to get worried, you're sick every other week lately. Make a full recovery this time! Makes no sense to dive 100% right into life, if that only keeps you jumping from one sickness to another. But who am I kidding. I'm not letting my arm cure out cleanly neither. I should stay off the keyboard and the workbench too.. but I can't. This arm needs to find a way to heal while being abused.
The summary is perfect! How many plugins can one company release that are just new versions of old plugins and sell them as the NEW thing? HEY! WAVES, they are called UPDATES!!!
I've got a doctors appointment tomorrow to discuss the constant illnesses. Some have said that it's maybe 'long covid' but I was completely floored over Christmas and new year before I got covid in February. It might be that my wife's a child minder and due to lock down and staying indoors kids weren't picking up as much illnesses and then when it eased and they went back to school bugs spread about like wildfire but tbh it's very bad where I am just now. People getting sick and taking as much as 6 weeks to recover for stuff that'd take a week or 2, years before.
I'm on anti biotics now as they are sure it's bronchitis but even to get the antibiotics it took for me to be coughing up blood until they caved in. Just kept on sending me for covid pcr's which have all been negative.
I've never been this ill in my life as I've got (or had) a very strong immune system. Lucky if I was feeling shit 2 or 3 times a year. Now im floored every fucking month 🤣
I think this is the 9th or 10th noise reduction related plugin released when I checked haha 😅
@@PaulThird Heard similar stories from a couple of people who took the shots. I really hope that it's coincidence, because many of my loved ones got vaccinated. In my experience health is a very multidimensional thing. Eating well and excercising are the easier part of the equasion, emotional and mental health (as in stress and general outlook on life) are more difficult and affect important things like: sleeping well and feeling good/living well. Whatever it is, that is causing you to get sick all the time, I think odds are you can rid yourself of it with good decisions and good mentality. If you had great health most of your life, reason suggests something got introduced to your life. And since Covid isn't really a big thing for young healthy adults (with few exceptions) - my wild guess would be that isn't it. Wishing you and your family well!
PS: "Long Covid" is a very unclear thing and could just as well be "long lockdown" or "long shots". Bronchitis is bronchitis and not long-covid. If you read the WHO-guidelines, you'll notice there are clear incentives to count everything as Covid. But that's just my two cents. I'm not a virologist, epidemiologist or doctor, just someone who reads a lot of scientific papers and takes a look at raw data himself.
I dunno... I do a lot of audio restoration and I'm kind of blown away at how Waves Clarity is isolating voice from very difficult background noises - doppler effect cars, ocean waves etc. I have noise reduction software from Accusonus, Acon (my preferred broadband), RX and Spectrasonics - none of them can do what Clarity does... I'm Waves' biggest critic (well... second biggest!) but I think they've done something extraordinary this time.
Have you tried the accusonus noise remover Pro? 🤓
Agreed. I'm not one swayed by advertising but it does seem to do what it says "on the tin"... and for the price....just can't argue
So does accusonus and its free haha I'm baffled why everybody has been buying the waves when the entire era bundle is free for the foreseeable future
@mixPHANTOM 100% agreed.
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Look, I work on dialogue pretty much every day of the week and am very familiar with noise reduction tools. I agree the Accusonus is quite good for what it is, I agree the NS1 description is misleading at best, but I do think you're a bit off the mark with this one as I'll explain.
First of all, RX Voice Denoise, Accusonus Noise Remover/Pro, and NS1 are all classic multi-band gate/expander style broadband noise reduction tools. (Cedar DNS, Waves WNS, Brusfri, etc)
Tools like Waves Clarity/Pro, RX Dialogue Isolate, Acon Digital Extract: Dialogue, and Accentize VoiceGate are all machine learning Neural Network denoisers. They are not the same, comparing them is very much apples to oranges as they have their own use cases, strengths, and weaknesses.
The former, let's use Voice Denoise as an example: "Under the hood is a series of 64 psychoacoustically spaced bandpass filters which act as a multiband gate to pass or stop a signal based on user-defined threshold values."
The latter, let's use Dialogue Isolate as an example: "Dialogue Isolate uses a deep neural network, which was trained on large amounts of speech and noise data to automatically recognize the percentage of speech in every time-frequency bin of the spectrogram. Once trained, the neural network processes the incoming audio into separated speech and noise components with independently controllable levels."
So what does this mean in practice? I think this is best explained if you think about what's being *separated* by each technique.
Multiband style gates are separating noise by threshold. You're separating 'signal' over a given threshold from 'signal' under a given threshold, and classifying the signal under the threshold as 'noise'.
Neural Network trained denoisers are separating the Dialogue from *everything else*. Boost the reduction, and you're simply taking what the algorithm decided was dialogue based on its training, and keeping it at the same level while attenuating the rest.
"Dialogue Isolate is designed to separate spoken dialogue from non-stationary background noise such as crowds, traffic, footsteps, weather, or other noise with highly variable characteristics." This is also why the Ambience preservation for RX Dialogue Isolate exists; you don't always want to attenuate 'broadband' noise.
So a NN Denoiser's strength is reducing instantaneous, non continuous, or variable noise from the dialogue. One such example being a mic smack over dialogue- something I used RX Dialogue Isolate to fix earlier today I'll link at the bottom.
Another strength of NN denoiser's are it's ability to separate dialogue from HIGH level noise/ poor signal to noise.
So what's the weaknesses of a NN denoiser?
As a whole; their false positives (their ability at correctly identifying what is dialogue or not) can mean unnecessary artifacts on parts of the dialogue.
RX Dialogue Isolate: non-realtime, no band control.
Acon Extract: Dialogue: realtime but adds non insignificant delay to the delay compensation. Not as good sounding (opinion), no ambience preservation, or ability to 'boost' dialogue as in the RX DX Isolate module.
Clarity VX/Pro: No ambience preservation or the ability to 'boost' the dialogue as in the RX Dialogue Isolate module. No sensitivity
So what makes Clarity VX unique or special? Its the fastest realtime NN denoiser, 95% the audio quality as RX Dialogue Isolate (opinion), with band control (vx pro).
From a workflow perspective I've been seeing:
Offline RX for heavy or surgical NR > realtime Cedar DNS or Waves WNS for dialogue tracks > Acon Extract: Dialogue or Clarity VX/Pro on the dialogue bus.
Clarity VX is very much NOT comparable to NS1 or Accusonus Noise Remover. It makes no sense for it to be given to you as a free upgrade. Just because it's a four band Noise Reduction with a similar UI to Accusonus does not make Clarity VX the same. Another viewer commented before the idea that Accusonus could have sold the code to Waves. They did not. As far as NRs go, it does not behave remotely the same. It WILL NOT effectively remove instantaneous or non-stationary noises. Again, I use these tools every single day of my life and I'm not being hyperbolic about that; if you want comparable NR tools, Accusonus Noise Remover pro is comparable to RX Voice Denoise. Clarity VX is comparable to RX Dialogue Isolate, (or more accurately Acon Extract: Dialogue or Accentize Voicegate [realtime NN NRs]), and NS1 is comparable to Accusonus Noise Remover.
I also believe their prices are very well priced.
Here's an imgur link to a view images hopefully demonstrating the difference between NN and multiband style NR's: imgur.com/a/BlT4ACK
Clarity VX is in certain cases can preserve more high mids in the voice. It’s a pretty good denoiser. Others I use are Absentia, Rx elements and Brusfri. Ideally want RX advanced. Of course, the dream is Cedar, nothing compares to that, yet.
Edit: Ns-1 is nothing but a gate with a sidechain HP around 500-1khz side chain in my testing. I guess that’s what they mean by ‘intelligent’
When you make an accent that’s not your normal accent, it makes me think your normal accent is not your normal accent at all. I love your salesmen voice 😂
Hahaha its probably an autism thing in regards to mimicking. Certain accents I can just go right into
I demoed this on a dialogue track with a lot of background boise from people, doors slamming, etc. cleaned it up amazingly well. Like nothing else I tried. This is a stand out plugin, sure others will remove hum and his but this will remove unusual, random and loud noises. I bought it right away.
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I'm just curious - can the waves plugin remove metronome sound from vocal? It actually sometimes gets recorded (at home) possibly due to a slight headphone bleeding.
Don't see why not
Anyone else run a de-reverb plugin ahead of their NR plugs? I find my sanity relies on having RX De-Reverb, or SPL De-Verb Plus in the first slot.
Can't remember if I kept spl reverb when I cancelled my sub but something tells me I did. I was getting complaints when I was using deverb on my voice overs though
De-verb is my jam. First slot on vocals allmost all the time.
Marketing with Neural Network is the same as marketing with A.I. a couple of years ago
Yup.. Just looks good on paper does it haha
I am working as a professional mastering engineer for 30 years now and audio restoration was always a hot topic. I had the pleasure to work with CEDAR hardware which was always lightyears ahead of the competion. Since I work from my home studio I have tried a lot of restoration plugins, because I can't afford CEDAR. I've tried all 'old' Waves plugins like NS-1, X-Noise, Z-Noise etc. and other plugins like Sony. I think NS-1 is not working well even for light braodband noise. In the end I bought Izotope RX, which I am still using today. The spectral repair mode is a wonder.
Did I buy the Clarity Vx plugin? YES! For 30 bucks it's a steal. I wouldn't use it for broadband noise reduction as Paul was testing it on - I still prefer a combination of RX spectral denoise and Voice denoise. BUT if you have random noises - for example from an outdoors video - it gives you results that you can work with very fast. Noises you would be hard pressed to eliminate even with RX.
Clarity Vx will never be my go-to-restoration tool, but it is a good addition to my arsenal.
I agree. For $29 it's a good purchase for guys recording in untreated rooms and stuff. People will just wait till it goes back to the $29 sale price. However that's dependent on how its sold in its intro period. However even at $60 I'm unsure if its worth it as there is a lot of free denoiser stuff and reverbs out there for guys recording vocals in their house. I do think $29 is a good prove though
I've always used Transient Master for reducing ambient noise. But I've also never had to worry about someone recording their vocals in an empty garage while cooking
Totally haha.. "Sorry about the extractor fan and the micro pinging in the chorus, I copped it all on my iPhone 10S but your a pro so I knew you'd be able to make it work"
Mate why does the ambience change in the second verse?
"I recorded it in my bathroom cause I needed a shit but you can just edit out those plops and reduce the cistern hiss from flushing.. Theres plugins for that right? I seen this one video where some broad is singing with a vacuum in the background. I thought it was a porno but it was a plugin demo.. I was gutted man. Either way I know you'll work it out"
Now i kinda hope there's some legendary artist who has recorded all their albums on the toilet, and they aren't telling anyone until their HoF induction night
@@KevinSparksatx South Park had a running joke about that when Stan's dad was Lorde.
Get well soon my wee peh munching amigo. Peace from Fife4Life. Was it in Fife you learned that 3 came after 2??you must be the first Dundonian that can count half your toes. Hehe. Liked the track Warren reviewed the mix of. ✌️✌️✌️
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@@PaulThird i swear by lemsip amigo. Slightest tickle of a cough or runny beak and I'll have a wee lemsip. Next day I'm right as rain.
It's bronchitis so I'm on anti-biotics haha its fucking brutal. 3rd week now 😅
Ive tried the accusonus product but it isn't as clear as the new waves plugin and also take alot of the bulk of the original vocal wave file. I liked the NS 1 but it wasn't as descent as the new plugin
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Quickly tested some of the Accusonus plugins today (for cleaning up badly recorded voicetags). I grade the deverb B-, the denoise B and the de-esser was surprisingly good as well: B-. Easy to dial in, does the job without destroying the "vocal" and makes it ready for heavy processing. They didn't perform magic, as in: If you abuse them, you will manage to destroy your vocals. I think they are good, but I suspect the newer RX-stuff will be better. I only have the RX7 and 6, but most people who really restore a lot usually use RX, that's why I'm guessing it's probably better.
From the post production guys I speak to it seems to be rx9 for all them but for the stuff I do accusonus is more than equipped to do what I need to do.
Hi Paul. I really enjoy your videos and your total no nonsense approach. I'm not sure what I thought about this one though. Since time immemorial washing powder companies have advertised new products as the whitest white ever ever ever and surely that's all Waves are doing here. NS1 was the intelligentest most cleanupiest noise suppressor they had to offer until Clarity came along which of course is the neuralnetworkiest. But they are not even like for likes - Clarity is specifically a tool for dialogue, and isn't that how they're presenting it?
I have to say it's been a life saver for me as I'm working on a project with no budget available which was barely passable as a commercial release. For the price of a couple of takeaway pizzas Clarity has saved the day. Frankly I don't care how the advertise it!!!!
Great as it is I have found it struggles a bit when people are grunting or breathing heavy - ie non verbal sounds but I just switch those bits out to different suppression - no great hardship.
Right. Off to buy a pizza (wish I hadn't mentioned pizza now)
Hope you feel better soon :)
I get what your saying but when I see crafty marketing I'll always point it out. We all know clarity has better tech than NS1 BUT waves still sell NS1 with the exact same marketing nonsense which to newbies is gonna look like it's the best noise reduction tech on the market.
For me it's the fact that they have no intention re-working the noise suppression plugs I've bought already as they want to make more money out of me by creating more plugins. They could have easily updated NS1 and combined the vx machine learning into it as an additional feature to make it an all in one noise reduction plugin which can seperate noise from any source and also focus solely on voice by switching to the vx feature.
But they didn't cause they are one of the greediest plugin devs out there.
To cut a long story short. Accusonus era bundle has been free ever since meta/zuckerberg bought over accusonus as there's no accusonus licensing now. It even has a one stop shop plugin where it listens to your vocal and gives you recommended effects ie noise reduction, mouth declick, de-essing, vocal levelling, auto eq. Takes all of their one knob plugins in the bundle and combines the effects in one with reccomended clean up settings.
The Pro 4 band noise remover is included as well.
So you can see my annoyance when waves once again go down the greed route and make a new plugin out of something that's been going around for years already.
Its a good noise reduction plugin don't get me wrong but to me there's no incentive to stick with them as they don't update their plugins. They just make new ones
@@PaulThird Hi Paul. Ah yes I see where you're coming from. As a matter of fact there is an issue with WNS and NS1 which I raised with Waves, and which they have acknowledged. I also sent them a video of how I am working around the issue. After the matter being referred to their tech team they came back to me with a suggested workaround.... which was the one I sent them in my video in the first place lol. I guess they had no intention of fixing it as they knew this new tech was on the way and I imagine there will be a Clarity (neural net) version of one or both of those plugins coming soon.
I guess my angle is that compared to the time I would have wasted on this project (without knowing Accusonus was out there) far outweighs the price (at least the introductory price) for buying Clarity. Perhaps that has blinkered my vision a little with regards to what you are trying to do with your videos... saving the unwary from the unscrupulous (for alliterative purposes only... no resemblance to any company called Waves either living or dead is intended in that remark)
Hey Paul, UAD just released native versions of their plugins called spark. Do you mind doing a video of their aliasing behaviors and sound comparison between the dsp version (if u have them)?
Somebodies already done a null test. Dsp and native are identical
@@PaulThird Aw, goan just dae a video showing the aliasing just to wind everyone up, be funny likes
Haha Ive already got one. Mind when I did the UAD helios and made it alias like an ambulance 🤣
There is something very zen like about hearing the repeats of the recording :) Don't tell anyone, but I couldn't help trying to repeat it as it went along ... "alot of da hum, some of dat hass as well" ;p
Hahahaha
Also, Clarity VX does not work natively on Apple Silicon processors. You gotta run daw in Rosetta, and so every other darn plugin. That is a major, major disadvantage for many people on the Apple silicon platform. Waves has said they are working on an apple silicon version, but I don't hold my breath for it coming soon. It's been a while already.
Also, at least according to my tests, even though Clarity VX can remove breathing sounds better -- say when using podcast style micing with condenser mics (which some use this way, myself included, for several reasons), accusonus sounds less robotic for steady background noise removal, say a loud fan.
Clarity VX arguably does better for more complex situations, rescuing your voice from heavy traffic. Stuff of this sort. But I CAN see cases where accusonus is arguably better. There's advantages and disadvantages for both, and this is a nuanced issue.. never mind accusonus exists no more as a company.. so expect no updates.
But hey, at least that works natively on m1... for now at least, assuming some OS update does not break it :) And for steady background noise removal it has more natural results for me than Clarity VX... at least in my experience and use cases.. with air purifier running hard.. another fan, at times.. with the disadvantage of not tackling heavy breathing like clarity vx can.
But when I tested this stuff against heavy traffic, clarity vx smashed, I must say. That's just not a relevant use case scenario for me atm.
PS: fine video, thanks for your contribution!
After I got RX10.. I can genuinely say I'll have no use for accusonus or any waves restoration stuff. Hands down the best restoration suite I've ever used
@@PaulThird I also love RX10, and got very "natural" results from denoise tool, but just used the trial of elements version. ATM I just coupled accusonus with clarity vx, and am getting great results :D Clarity vx mostly used to get rid of heavy breathing sounds, accusonus first in the chain.
Im still an RX 8Voice DeNoise user. I like it for the most part. It works well on keeping the room ambience. But I noticed I have to boost the highs more on my Vocals.
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I also suggest Bertom Denoiser, it’s donation-ware but it’s really damn good. Even for stuff like guitar recording
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Bro this plugin is to isolate the voice from every sound not just background noise and not just a lower volume/level noise, take a recording outside with cars, people and louder than your voice sounds and try again, clarity will clean up everything and acussonus and ns1 will die trying
Man you're like the GradeAUnderA for Audio Plugins XD.
I highly respect you for calling out Waves on their bs.
Proud to be a a subscriber of yours :-D
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Accusonus is out of the plugin game, bought out by Meta. Since the interfaces are pretty much the same I would not be surprised in case the code would also be exactly the same, meaning - just sold to Waves at the end of their business. Not a rip-off, just a sale-off.
Doesn't mean you still can't use all the accusonus stuff if you have the installers 😜
Check out voicegate and dialogue extractor, both use machine learning but miles ahead of waves and izotope. I have been using era in my daily work for years, it’s amazing…
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Good video Paul. Get waves ti fk min, fkn highland dancers.
Highland dancers 🤣🤣🤣
Paul I completely agree with what you've said & I can't take anymore mate, I just fekkkkkin can't take it? I'm ready to flip now honestly.. I've been a mug to buy most of these crappy plugins & I'm raging wae masel!!
I'm just gonny stick to making my wee daft songs as if I had a 4 track mixer.. Mate I just watched PLAPs latest video on mastering and I swear I have not a Scrooby of what the guy in the studio was on about.. Maybe you do & all the peeps in the comments seem to all get it so good luck to them I'm offski.. I'm finished man.. How they every made all those great songs off yester year without sidechain eq going into 7 different compressors onto a phantom master bus in mono just made me realise this game compresses over 'or under' my threshold.. I'll always watch yer vids dude as your honest & I can get what your saying so please don't change.. Leave the heavy lifting to Dan..
Canny believe I've missed out on so much time with my missus and the pub.. #scunnered #selfloathed 🤘🏽🤥
Tbh I was watching it whilst I was wiring up all the alarm panels in work and I would need to watch it again as I wasn't picking up much. I heard 7 compressors and atmos and that was about all that went in haha I'd need to watch it in full and actually concentrate on it
@@PaulThird I might have intentionally laid it on thick (like myself) but I had no clue as a frown appeared on my face of what this dude (not warren) I das on about honest man.. I I'm usually no bad, on occasion I may need to put some thought to it but this video just seems to cast me into darkness & I can't be doing with that? I just want to make songs have fun & never look at any video that's trying to help the community out with total bewilderment.. Watch it another time & if I'm honest I think Warren (who we love) was puggled.. He was. 🤣👍
Clarity is more like RX 9 Dialogue Isolate and rather classifying them as just noise suppression I would put them in their own class because they work to remove ANY sound that is not a vocal as opposed to just removing noise with noise profiles and inverted polarity the way most de-noise plugins work. The edge Clarity has on RX 9 Dialogue Isolate is it be uses as a plugin insert.
Tbh accusonus has been doing it for a long time and without saying too much everybody seems to have the full bundle right now...
@@PaulThird Have used some of their plugins however I don't have the noise remover. I am not knocking them. I'll take your word for it but from this example, although Accusonus' results were very clean if not cleaner, the test recording just had noise and no other unwanted distinct sounds such as a car horn or birds chirping for example. I was curious to see if ERA noise remover was capable of the same thing as Clarity/RX Dialogue Isolate because then I'd be surprised it wasn't raved about more with all this time it has been available.
If you go on the accusonus website you'll notice they aren't trading anymore. That's cause meta/Facebook bought them over for their tech for what's being touted between 70-100 mil. That's how good the tech is haha
My advice is get your hands on them if you can.. Which is still possible 🙄🤐
@@PaulThird I had been eyeing them previously. That’s a serious acquisition. I appreciate the heads up.
FYI all Accusonus products are free now. Meta bought/killed them recently.
OMG .. I totally didn't know that 🙄🙄🙄 haha 🤐😅
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Hi Paul, hope you will be feeling better soon. I just fought off the impulse of buying some more Waves plugins this week. I use many of their plugins when I mix and generally they perform well. I really appreciate the reality check you provide with these types of video's. Read The Fine Print ! I also just received the FREE Accusonus Bundle with Noise Remover Pro included ! 🤣You Rock !!
I've got to be careful what I say but I think everybody and their granny has the accusonus bundle right now haha 😜
Actually clarity works wonderfully. I have to ask you soon as plugins as well, and Clarity does a slightly better job. At least that's my experience.
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I like noise. I will not be removing nuffin.
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thx for your video! just downloaded the accusonus era bundle 🙏🏼
It's proper top notch 👌
my dude.. i also thought the waves promo also looked like a porno hahahaha talkin bout the comparison i would say waves clarity does a very good job but the accusonus did sound a lil better. very close though!!!! gotta love Zukerberg for buying them tho.. i think u know what i mean hehe ;)
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Accusonus ERA plugins were recently "sunset". On the website they state: "Thanks for your support!
Accusonus is embarking on a new adventure!" Seeing the very obvious design similarities between ERA and Clarity VX/VX Pro, I've got a gut feeling that either Waves bought the code or they hired some of the ex Accusonus stuff.
Facebook bought them over but yeah would be interesting to know where all designers went to 🧐 I dunno if they work for Facebook now
well, by that logic every plugin company should give free upgrades and free similar plugins to everything... It made sense in the case of the ssl channel strip, but this is really stretching it way to far... I'm not a waves "fanboy", most of their recent stuff was more amusing than usable to me, but I have to give credit where it's deserved. Clarity is finally a professional tool, and even the pro version has some features which might be extremely helpful for certain tasks in sound post.
I disagree as they had a chance to integrate the technology into NS1 and make it an all in one noise reduction plugin. The vx could have easily been coded into NS1 as an additional option with the fader acting as the scroll wheel. But they didn't and decided to confuse newbies by selling them individually so they have 'the best technology in vx' but still market NS1 as "The most intuitive professional noise suppression plugin ever created"
Tbh the entire accusonus restoration bundle going free has lost them a ton of sales anyway
okay, not even through yet, but I'll point out something that is reaaally obvious to me and makes this comparison.. difficult. The accusonus doesn't only clean out the noise, it also cleans out the reverb waaay more than the others do. That's what I expect a de-verb to do, not necessarily what I experct from a denoiser. But you'll probably mention that in a second.
The "accusonus sounded the most natural" was kinda me saying that haha NS1 almost removes it
okay, you don't. You actually expect them to clean out the reverberation of the room. In that case the accusonus does the best job by a long shot - in my opinion. The clarity is better than the ns1, but it cuts the reverb late and not as instantly as the accusonus.. which was audible on the first listen through. So you get a bit of verb and then it unnaturally cuts off. Which I think is simply because the verb is at the "noise"-threshold at that point - so much for "AI". That's just me. I hate denoisers. I don't like using them. I use deverbs, but I don't use denoise, unless it's more of a restauration than a recording. I just hate what it does to vocals - usually. The accusonus actually sounded okay - but I'd have to try it to know it. What's the price on that? Only offer I found was 66,63 on reverb dot com, but that very well may be the devil playing tricks on me for obvious reasons.
The more I think about it, the more a good AI would make a lot of sense for restauration purposes. Imagine you are in a great room and had a great recording. But something made noise... don't care what it is. You don't want to kill the room-verb, you want to ONLY kill the noise. Now a great AI would be able to tell the difference between instruments (by pitch) and noise, right? But the clarity obviously doesn't do it, unless it's in the options and you didn't manage - which I doubt. That would have been a unique selling point.
Give me your email and I'll see what I can do haha
@@PaulThird sent you a mail!
I already have izotope, accusonus and ns-10 but clarity vx beats them all by a mile. In particular, non-periodic individual noises are almost completely eliminated, something of this quality has never existed before. And I hate waves...
Have you tried the accusonus noise remover Pro?
@@PaulThird is this included in the (now) free software?
Yup
What i don't understand about all of these tests is that everyone always crancks up the reduction so that the noise is completely gone or way too low.
Since noise reduction plugins seem to be used for audio with video mostly, this is something you would never do.
I'm by no means an expert ( i worked one year as an intern for post production of documentaries), but as far as i'm concerned you usually just want to shape the noise so that it looses it's edges that are distracting and bring it below the level of dialog but never just kill it.
For this i always preferred to work within the rx editor since its really easy to be selective there.
With all that said i still think this a great video for calling out waves to try to sell another plugin as another "GaME cHaNGer".
Tbh if you don't push the plugins to their limits in your tests then it leaves room for guys to hit you up on margins for error. Honestly, if you are doing the youtube thing.. Don't give them any wiggle room for excuses haha
I think being honest the most common use for these plugins is for them to be used quite subtly to take out marginal room noise and ambience when recording vocals. Fan, computer noise, just stuff that will be brought up when compressing the vocal. Compression is what really starts causing the issue as the more you compress the more you increase the noise floor. Tbh Nobody in their right mind would be recording professional vocals in my electrical workshop but more excessive uses is probably quite handy for those that vlog outside and stuff to deal with Excessive wind noise etc etc.
In vlogs you want your voice to be as clear as possible, especially guys like me with thick accents and you'll probably end up compressing a lot to make your voice more consistent dynamically which means you'll need a good wallop of noise reduction.
Just depends on the circumstances really 🤓
@@PaulThird Thank you for your response. You're right i'm probably way too caught up in my own bubble. So that i was too quick to dismiss all the other potential uses noise reduction plugins can offer. Thats on me.
I just really would wish someone would actually review it in a way that would make sense in post production for film since people that have these settings all crancked up is all i can find.
Tbh i'd like a video like that as well as they didn't really use noise reduction plugins when I was at college and uni but tbf that was 10 years ago.. They were all pretty shit back then.. Times have changed 🤣
Christ almighty, this thing is primarily directed at post, people. Unless you've had to do dialogue cleanup as your occupation, you really don't understand what you're looking at. "No one will pay $250" Yes, they absolutely will if they're spending 60 hours of work per week doing dialogue cleanup with a tool that blows at least 4 RX modules out of the water. It will literally pay for itself in one hour. It doesn't make RX obsolete as there are many more restoration tasks than broadband noise removal.
Why would you pay $250 when you can get one of the best vocal restoration bundles for free right now 🙃
@@PaulThird You're talking about the ERA? They're discontinued. Can you even download it? It certainly doesn't make sense to use a discontinued product in a professional environment.
The installers still exist but they've removed all licensing as they've been bought over. They'll be no more updates obviously but the whole bundle is awesome as it is
@@PaulThird You'd pay $250 because like Pulse Maps said, it does something that the others don't do. RX works better than the Accusonus stuff to my ear, but nothing from either of those will handle the extreme noises like Clarity. All the others are great from general broadband background noises, but those doing dialogue for major films will definitely be flocking to the Clarity Pro version.
@@pulsemaps You can get it. You can't officially from their page, but lots of people have links to grab the software. I went through all their plugins and not sure I'll even keep them on my computer. RX works better in my opinion and now Clarity does something that none of them can achieve. But I do love variety. I've
found that sometimes an RX plugin used lightly, followed by NS1 with the fader on 2 or 3 for a little extra reduction can do wonders. But like you said, if doing dialogue stuff regularly, Clarity seems like a game changer and certainly worth 29 bucks. But even the pro version will be worth it to some.
Wow that NS1 really sounds like lossy-compressed garbage doesn’t it?? Impressed how the Accusonus takes away the noise but leaves the room ambience - I didn’t even know that plugin existed! As for the Clarity Xblahblahblah - well, who really cares! 😂🤣
Yeah NS1 never cut the mustard for me. Never did a great job at preserving the vocal
Waves plugins are always listed as $1000000000 but on sale for $29... I don't want to live in this marketing manipulative hell nightmare antisocial world anymore.
It must be accepted by all at waves that they are a $29.99 company 🤣
It is what it is. Basically anything from Waves and Plugin Alliance is $29.99 throughout the year at random points and $19 on Black Friday through New Years.
Funny I trialed the clarityvx and was really amazed at first but the cpu spikes are awful that it makes it hard to use on live stream. Luckily I saw a video about accusonus giving away their ERA 6 bundle for free after being bought by Meta, grabbed it and felt thankful on how it saved me from buying that unusable overhyped plugin. 😌
How good is the full bundle 👌 the one where you let it auto listen and it gives you a chain of suggested vocal cleanup is awesome
@@PaulThird yea it’s a great steal. Hope it works for a long time coz they say there wont be any updates anymore on this products..
@@PaulThird hey paul, can I ask if the accusunos deverb better than plugin alliance’s
I've actually not compared it but I'll give it a go
Sits back. Opens popcorn. Waits for the Waves Fanboy Massive to arrive.
I have missed it a little bit I'm not gonna lie. I've learned to enjoy the ride haha 🤓
Would your opinions change at all if your view point was coming from a brand new customer rather than an existing customer? Legit question.
In regards to the standard Vx I'd say yes but If you've not been part of the waves history and invested a lot of money in their products and other noise reduction plugs then your viewpoint is always going to be different.
For example, if you've not bought any noise reduction plugs for vocals and you picked up Vx for $29 then yeah good buy but it's only for vocals. That's the snag as you'd still need an overall noise reduction plug for other uses which is where NS1 comes in as it's currently same price and is marketed as a noise suppressor for dialogue. On paper, NS1 is the better purchase so id be confused as to why i had to buy 2 plugins for noise reduction when they could make it 1
If it's not in the sale then as a new customer I wouldnt be interested due to the competition already out there.
Would I as a new customer care if they've copied another developers format.. No.. But I would be pissed if I could get those plugins for $0.. (I won't say much further...)
@@PaulThird That's a solid answer. I'm a session player that has done little recording on my own without an existing studio, engineer, and producer present. In the last four years I decided to build my own studio, because remote playing is honestly where the money is at these days. With the studio build I've had to get an education in production and mixing, which means I'm a newer Waves customer. I'm a new customer to most every plugin manufacturer. While I've got most of the outboard hardware you could want I still need plugins, so I buy them as I need them. If a plugin does something I will use, I buy it. If a plugin does something I need I buy it. I got the Mercury bundle on sale at $600ish, and I've added some others along with it. I have no clue about the histories of these developers nor their plugins, and I've not put any thought into on whether that even matters or not.
For you it won't matter.. Unless you start to feel your initial investment was wasted because you find plugins that do the job better than what you purchased.
That's where my issue started. Over a grand spent on waves over the years and slowly over time I started to replace them with other plugins that gave me better results. Over a grands worth of plugins down to about 5 or 6 if I'm lucky. I've invested in tools that I don't have a use for now. I can't upgrade them either unless I pay for each which is like over £400 or something just now, and I can't sell them due to their license transfer fees which is 10% or 15% of the full price. You buy a plugin for £30 in the sale and end up having to pay a licence fee of like £15-20 per plugin. It's a joke.
The plugins are only as good for as long as you continue to find a use for them.
Everybodys different. I'm a proper plugin snob who refuses to buy gear so I scour the ends of the Plugin market for the best I can get to my ears. I learned to be very particular in what I spent my money on.
It just depends on your tastes and your expectations tbh which is down to each person.
@@PaulThird Why not sell them in bulk? You get the yearly transfer to move the license to new machines. Put it on a flash. I keep all of mine on external SSD drives.
@@PaulThird Also, as an aside: I know you put the monetary investment into a tangible thing, being the plugins themselves, but you also invested in learning to use and knowing them inside and out. While the plugins may outdate your ability and knowledge wont.
Accusonus got bought by Meta and have now stopped selling their audio products. Freaking Zuckerberg... 😖
Doesn't mean you still can't get them 🙄
@@PaulThird You mean...st-st-borrowing?
Depends which way you look at it haha meta bought them over so they aren't selling the products BUT the plugin installers still exist.. And accusonus's licensing doesn't.. Let's say its essentially a very long trial for the foreseeable future......
@@PaulThird uuuuuh!
U didnt understand, for what this plugin was made.
Try to use it on a song, to delete the music.
Clarity does magic and can reduce everything, but not a static noise.
Isn't NS1 just for hum and mild noise, and Clarity for extreme stuff? I mean, acording to their demo video examples, and what other people have put out it's pretty extreeme. NS1 can't do that remotely close. Anothet rhing, the technology behind this probably isn't developed by Waves but they are just licensing it from someone.
Nah when they released it was sold as a one stop shop noise suppression plugin.
In their own words;
"The most intuitive professional noise suppression plugin ever created, Waves NS1 Noise Suppressor intelligently differentiates between dialog and unwanted noise. Perfect for post production, audio forensics and musical applications alike, NS1 instantly analyzes and adapts to your signal in real-time, bringing the foreground into focus as it eliminates unnecessary background noise"
I'm not taking hum and mild noise from that haha
@@PaulThird Yeah, at leest they should have taken other noise removal plugins down by now.
I never use Waves plugins... cough it up Paul - it could be a lump of gold! 🤣
If that's the case I'll cough till I'm sick 🤣
sucks that zuck bought Accusonus....
Not really if you think about it.....for now anyway
Gotta be honest, you don't seem objective here. Listened to your tests with $9 earbuds and clarity is clearly better at noise reduction than the competition. It renders the noise basically inaudible. Some of the others cut reverb more, but personally I think noise reduction plugins should be judged mainly on, you know, reducing noise. The pro version seems to have a knob to control reflections, though I also wouldn't pay the asking price (but it's been near the top of their best sellers list since release so you're wrong if you think no one will).
Each to their own 🤓
Dude listen to yourself....the software rooting still had noise in the background after use used it.it didn't even come close NS1....
Acon Digital Dialog extract is still better than all of them
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Aye, but hink aboot it neebur. Git vx and the multi band dynamic eq fir forty odd quid n ye kin git two leccy peeyanys anaw fir nowt. Ah ken, ah did last night. Wifes gonny boot ma hoop when she sees the bank statement, but hey ho, eh. Greetins fae darkest fife.
But neebur.. Why piy forty squid when ye can get the other aine for hee haw.. Canna say much but dae sum diggin neebur n ye can keep that forty squid in the back bin.. Eh didnae tell ye though 😅
So you're saying it's the best plug-in ever and sounds just like expensive analog gear?!!! 😂😂🤣🙃
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they are different bud
I know but that doesn't mean that there needs to be 2 seperate plugins. Vx could've been added to NS1 as an additional option
Lol new RX9 is better than all of them 😎
Too expensive for me 🤣
I agree. BUT .... Clarity offers something that in some situations works better than RX9. Nothing from Izotope can remove extreme noise without artifacts as far as I can tell. Not even close.
Best part about this video? YOU ARE USING A 2+ YEAR OLD VERSION OF RX!!
RX just killed it too! It imparted the least amount of noise and artifacts. and their algorithms have only gotten better over time. I recently accidentally opened and did a project with RX8 and did my latest one on RX9 and it was a world of a difference. the project was a podcast where i was hired to remove noise.
Also i feel the clarity standard is an NS1 upgrade and the pro is a WNS upgrade. I wish they were kinder about this stuff. they are such a greedy company too. one thing i NEVER hear people talk about with plugins is the number of licenses you get when you buy it. izotope is by far one of the more generous companies out there. Waves gives you one license and you gotta pay a yearly fee for a 2nd and it's a pain in the ass to remove a license too (cloud management once per year otherwise you have to physically be on the computer). I have 2 computers i regularly use for audio, this does NOT work. Their products are okay and the price isn't too bad (RX elements is often cheaper on sales though), but to have so many restrictions for okay just doesn't do it for me.
I forgot it was rx7 haha 🤣
Yeah the license and WUP carry on is a nightmare. I can only have my waves plugins on 1 computer. I've tried everything to get them to work on my laptop but nope.. Licence issues, makes it even worse cause I've got tons of v9's. You have to use legacy installers and shit and its just an absolute pain the arse. The day I pay into the update plan is the day when I've completely lost my marbles 🤣
Well put!! I’ve now completely weaned myself off of all plugins they make other than the frustratingly good WavesTune which (quirks aside) is still very handy even compared to the newest Melodyne Studio which I also own.
@@PaulThird yup! They get you by locking you in to a update plan from a cheap upfront plug-in cost. Yet every other developer will charge a higher up front cost ($50-$100) and never charge a dime for upgrades. Or charge a subscription fee every year for all of their plugins not just the ONES YOU ALREADY PAID FOR! Is update? Guess you can’t use waves anymore! This is why many studios stuck with decades old computers because the cost of upgrading their software (waves/pt at the time) was insane. Now it’s cheap af.