PSA's New Slabs Come With Cracks In The Plastic! Is This A Big Deal?
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In May PSA announced new slabs, and in recent weeks we've started to see that many of them have white cracks -- what PSA is calling "flow lines -- in them. Is this a big deal? Will PSA do anything about it?
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What do you think PSA will do? What SHOULD they do?
Get busy fixing this and regrade the cards for free or give the customer their money back. Nobody wants a slab like that
great video i love your objectivity
@@tomharrison6607 thanks Tom!
Yea this is a big issue, might take some time but I think they’ll figure it out
Buyers market. So I believe we should be watching out for who is the number two grader that can become our new number one?
Also, I bought some used graded cards which come with some scratches from use. I wanted to re-case some of them. They are all PSA, should I re case with another company? Cause like you said the slab should also look impeccable.
Thanks Tom
New subscriber here.
I think that PSA should re-holder all the cards. It’s not right to have to pay to have a card graded, pay shipping fees, and be provided a low quality holder. The flow lines excuse is not a good marketing call IMO..
If only we could get CGC slabs with SGC consistency and customer service and PSA set registry and resale value 😅
Yes! The perfect grader
I agree it's a quality issue, but PSA feels that they're so big and dominant that they won't admit they have screwed up. They should take the high road, admit it and make good on it.
Nfts…
So wait ..... PSA letter says this is the way it is .....nothing is wrong. Then the CEO says we are doing something. Complete BS.
Just say no to psa 😂
What's the point of a high grade card if you can't view your card without these distractions? PSA needs to re-holder these cards at their own expense!
We as collectors need to stop feeding the beast...I'll take the resale loss and use SGC
Hey, they're creating a new market. Once you get your card graded, you send it back to PSA to get the card AND the holder slabbed and graded. Genius.
Imagine spending $5k on a perfect card and getting a terrible slab back.
Well I can’t imagine spending $5k on a card 😂
I think it's ridiculous that supposedly years of upgrading the slab, that the "new standard" would have so many slabs with these markings in the plastic. PSA needs to correct this ASAP and do all they can to re-slab any and all with this problem. How on earth did they not ever catch this problem before going forward with it? And if they did know about it and thought the collectors wouldn't care, that's perhaps an even a bigger concern.
I’m not going to submit any cards to PSA until there’s a resolution.
Thanks for the info. I have about 30 cards ready to go for PSA. Probably going to hold off until get further info from PSA. Can't sell defected slab at a show.
Yep, I’d do the same
Definitely seems like this is something PSA needs to fix. As silly as it may sound, I could definitely see collectors ditching PSA over this.
PSA is merely assisting those to help in giving a Starter point to cracking the slab for resubmittal! 😂
Sorry to hear about the health problem. 💪 🙏
Thank you! Nothing terribly serious.
Good to hear @@JunkWaxHero
PSA hates their customers, check out their BBB reviews! Shouldn’t be this hard.
Agreed on the appearance issue on new PSA slabs being an issue. I would rather have an older PSA slab and slab mag protection on top of old PSA slabs than the new PSA slabs. I hope PSA fixes the appearance issue soon.
Thank you for letting me know about this issue with cracks in the plastic with PSA. I was about to send baseball cards to get graded by PSA, and now I am delaying getting my cards graded until this problem gets solved by PSA. You would think PSA would be a lot more professional than just telling customers, who have cracks in the plastic after submitting their cards to PSA, "Too bad, you are out of luck."
Wonder if it took PSA 3 yrs to airbrush that out. Just make a slab that can’t be cracked, change the color of the label and make the grades available for review.
Complete deal breaker. I will happily utilize SGC over PSA.
Just got an Ebay purchase in a new slab, and it has this. Wasn't extremely noticeable because card has a white border. PSA def needs to fix this.
I just got an order back last week (20 cards). About 5 have the inner crack. I actually noticed it pretty immediately. I think an important factor is where the cracks are. It’s not like it is somewhere on an outside corner. It’s directly over top of the card. I mean, there shouldn’t be any hairline cracks anywhere. But for it to be over top of the card is extra bad.
Exactly! Thanks for sharing.
Merely proof, grading companies such as PSA are just another industry boiler room grift.....completely worthless and unnecessary.
tag is the only answer... tag would halt all the cracking and poor pop reports too
@@thehighvibe5528Flippers don't want AI grading .... They want 10's to flip and anything else is a failure.
Follow the $$. For collectors ..... TalAG may be a nice solution.....not for resale or flipperoos.
What? Another issue with A Grading company!?😂😢
This is a problem. I submit to PSA and it’s not cheap and have no issue up charging. I don’t want flaws in my slabs. The materials are the cheapest part of the equation. They need to be flawless.
Agreed
I bought some PennySleevers supplies just to check out the quality. They're OK, they're fine. But so are my supplies made by other companies such as Vault X. I do receive janky, ill-fitting sleeves when I buy cards online, but I promptly replace them with my own sleeves. PennySleevers are good, about the same as other well-fitting products.That's as enthusiastic as I get without being paid. 😂 Hey Vault X, are you listening?
How was the price compared to the other good ones?
I won’t submit unless they fix it.
Yeah I would’ve waited too
@@JunkWaxHero ya, it’s a visual media and has to be enjoyed without cracks in front of the card. I’m not a complainer at all, but that is just unacceptable.
I've been consistently sending in 2-3 submissions a month and noticed this "illusion" on several cards each order as they slowly rolled out their new slabs in the recent months and really didn't think much about it but noticed them immediately. Obviously once they make this new slab change permanent in the future and the uptick of slabs having this "illusion" should immediately draw cause for concern as a buyer beware issue.
Yep
It’s embarrassing. Just got an 18 card order and 15-16 of the slabs have the flow line. Not submitting again until they fix it. Had another slab damaged and another that got a PSA 10 and the inside of the slab or card has scuffs all across the top.
Great analogy with the picture frame. They definitely need to make it right with every slab that went out the door like that and figure out the issue asap. Good to hear Nat replied!
Totally agree
Now something else to look for in a listing… PSA IDs in the +90000000s in the 1LR+ slabs. I recently purchased a card in one, without paying attention to the indicators. Luckily it’s a bowman sapphire card so the “flow” looks like it’s part of the cracked ice/atomic effect of the card. Way to go PSA 😂.
I will definitely be waiting to submit anything to PSA until this runs its course.
I just got a PSA order in the mail yesterday and honestly didnt even notice this. But ever slab has it. 29 card order.
Wowwww
It’s a flaw. If you know about heat ejection molding you will know!
Just keep the original slab and reduce the grading fees by 50%
I have an order from PSA on it's way back in the mail. I looked at the uploaded images they took, in those the slabs look fine. I'll look at them when they arrive.
Let me know!
We need a Mike Baker "Gold" MBA sticker on clean/no-flaw PSA slabs. How much $ is that Mike??
Not a good look for PSA. More research needed.
Yep, 3 years of testing and something went wrong after?
All the best with your health, Mike
Thank you!
I don’t grade cards. That plastic would annoy the hell out of if I did though.
I have two submissions in at PSA, vintage and modern. If I receive any slabs with these defects and PSA doesn’t make it right, I’m done with them. I’m not the biggest fan of SCG slabs but you have to vote with your money. Just sux that now if I do go with SCG, Collectors gets that as well. Unbelievable!
That would definitely bother me. I didn’t see it on any of my new slabs I just got back. Great video Mike 👊
Good to hear!
I also posted in that group. If you zoom in, you can see the the 'flaw' reflecting off of the card, so you know you it's not on the card. However, it doesn't bother me at all. I've received two orders back in the new slabs and I noticed it right away.
Really interesting that it doesn’t bother you!
People love to shit on PSA (I don't personally have an opinion other than it's bad that they're essentially a monopoly), but it's refreshing to see Turner responding to your questions.
Yeah he’s surprisingly good about that
I remember when Coke changed their formula back in the 80’s. 🤔🙄 (Can’t wait to see how your cards look when they come back. I know you are going to share with us.)
You know it
When you crack it is it rubbery ,i cracked some a year ago and they were
It's like most anything else: Ready, fire, aim.
“Best in class debut… total clarity…. no illusions… over three years of prototyping… just facts…”. It appears that Ryan Hoge never involved himself in the beta review, and that the person who wrote his script just wanted to embarrass him! This is a big deal bc it’s all about the visual attractiveness of the card and this flaw certainly causes uncertainty.
Hope everything is ok after the Drs appointment
Thanks! I’ll survive
Yes, it is a flaw in the structure of the tooling and it would bother me
"Badges?!?!.. we don't need no stinkin' badges!!!"(latest YT come on for subscribing)... good luck with the surgery... and always, always "put a bag on your slab"... seriously, it's always interesting to see what comes out of corporate customer service depts until 'approved responses' are cooked-up... thanks for holding PSA's feet to the fire!..
Thanks Ken!
I wonder how many eBay sales are returned due to "damaged" holders?
Good call!
This is certainly something they should have caught at the pilot scale. This is what I do for a living take prototypes or lab scale processes and do testing in order to head off potential problems before large scale production.
Sounds like an interesting job!
@@JunkWaxHero at times, but like most other jobs if they paid whether I showed up or not I'd stay home.
🤣
The editing in this video was awesome! You had me cracking up! I really hope your doctors visit goes well, take care of yourself!
Thanks Theo! I’m going to survive!
So I watched this video yesterday and had more than enough time to think about it.
This is an embarrassment for PSA. It’s bad enough their grading is inconsistent & strict (prob due to their card guarantee ) now the eye appeal of their new slabs can now also be inconsistent 🤦.
Something tells me PSA decided to release the new slabs earlier than desired to combat “issues” mentioned in that recent fbi release
What issues?
@@JunkWaxHero some believe PSA pushed up the new slab implementation to coincide w/ being mentioned in the FBI investigation. www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/operators-nationwide-sports-and-pokemon-trading-card-fraud-arrested
I just got 12 cards reholdered. Half of them have the small crack.
I have a few orders due in the next few weeks. I’ll send pics if they have this issue
Oh don't you all know?....THIS is the way to tell a REAL slab versus a FAKED Chinese slab...... It's a security and authenticity indicator.
I worked at a company once where they had to create software. The customers would complain about the software. The company used to tell them, "Oh...that's NOT a problem....THAT'S A FEATURE."
True story...
Lol
We need a slab grading company.
Just more reasons to keep your cards raw.
Add it to the list
3 years in the making 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The consistent problem + inconsistent feedback from PSA is a bad look. It makes PSA's customer service reps seem like they're either just guessing or that they're (worst case) being disingenuous. To respond to customers like it's normal and we should just accept it, is unacceptable. It's gaslighting (I hate that term, but it's accurate). I trust Nat when he says they'll do something about it.
Yes, exactly
@@JunkWaxHeroI realized I didn't answer your original question. PSA should pay reholder, shipping, & insurance costs for ANY card within 30 days of receipt. (within reason)
Just a card collector here , i got good eyes keep those slabs outta my 52 year old collection
I’d say it’s a big deal. It’s always something with PSA. They blew it and are trying to spin it, pretty clearly, you wouldn’t need to be a PR person to tell that for sure haha. The CGC slabs are what PSA had to be concerned about, I would say; they’re great, no flaws, incredibly clear. CGC is also not going anywhere based on the nature of the whole organization’s depth in grading. If CGC invested in the brand, over time, they could chip away at marketshare. That’s maybe why SGC was purchased, to consolidate marketshare. I’m enthusiastic about CGC so I may be overstating, but if there were not a TRUE state of the art slab like CGC on the market, PSA would not have taken this step, IMHO.
Interesting take!
@@JunkWaxHerothanks! I worked in brand marketing for a decade and a half and learned a lot about how much a market share leader brand is oriented around up and coming competitors and just see a lot of that market share orientation when it comes to “big moves” by the various brands.
Great video. PSA are getting worse by the day.
Nfts. Bypass psa 😂
Hi Mike. I have only been submitting cards to SGC. I hope they do not try to upgrade their slabs. You will have to do a video on the cards you submitted to PSA when they return.
Thanks Jim! I definitely will. Anything good from SGC recently?
@@JunkWaxHero Hi Mike. I got (7) on a 68 Topps Clemente, 71 Topps Seaver and 72 Kelloggs Clemente. I also got a (6) on a Santo rookie.
@@jimfalkler9361 nice return!
True professional company! Right?
The crack or whatever it is, is bad. That being said people are fetishising their cards a bit too much. Sometimes it's downright creepy.
Well then...I'm definitely going to wait on sending in my Mahomes, Pele, and Witt Jr autos until further notice.
Pele auto?! Wow!
@@JunkWaxHero yes! Leaf Art of Sport /4
Great video alerting us to this flow line PSA slab issue. Unfortunately, I just got a nice Stadium Club SP in a PSA 10 I’ve been hunting. And yeah, it has a flow line. Not happy. I’m also sitting on 200 cards I was about to submit. I want to know this is fixed before half of them come back that way. Anything since Nat told you they were looking into it? Thanks.
Just what I added in my newsletter on Monday, which is that they don’t have a plan
@@JunkWaxHero thanks, that’s really a shame. Let’s hope it was a QC issue on some early batches. And it works itself out as we go. Maybe I’ll send in 25 or so and see what happens.
Huge deal although I have one and dont see anything I am going to go back and look even closer.
Let me know!
Hello, do I need a PSA membership to get a photo encapsulated?
I don’t know. You should ask PSA
Cracks in the plastic? 😂 I believe these are tiny plastics that hold the cards in place. It caught me off guard at first.
Did you watch the video? PSA explains what they are. They’re not tiny plastics holding the cards in place.
At least that would make the slabs harder to counterfeit.
lol
Take care of yourself, amigo!!
Thanks Kin!
Great chance for SGC to start marketing their materials, regardless if they’re actually superior.
Yeah I’m curious how that works now that they’re owned by the same company.
@@JunkWaxHero oh crap, I forgot about that!😂🤷🏼♂️
Collectors Universe monopoly owns SGC. Good luck with that
@@chrisc4264 designing my “ I lived through the Junk Slab Era, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt” T-Shirt, now.🤣😂
PSA gonna say those cracks are used to identify fake cases
Oh it's the new version of "Newton rings" lol.... they won't give a shit.
i once had a dale hawerchuk rookie o-pee-chee sticker psa 9 which sold for about 50 us and the guy sent it back because of the wet look and months later i see this newton rings stuff good luck trying to resell it should i explain about the newton rings in the description lol
@@tomharrison6607 I won a Shohei Ohtani giveaway from PSA a few months back, got the card and it had newton rings right in the middle of the slab, plus the slab was scratched to high hell, I was able to clean up the slab with plastix and found an Ohtani collector, I took about a $100-$125 loss because I really didn't want to eBay or auction it, I found a collector who knew about the Newton rings and we made an agreement, still sucks... But yeah.. I've personally never used PSA to grade and won't anytime soon.
Wow....I always knew this company was a piece of shit scam company..NOW, it's been verified. Thanks for the warning.
I remember one dealer told me, "Oh...I NEVER send ANYTHING into PSA...I let all the other dolts do that....and THEN I buy their cards....."
True story...
They should have learned from Coca Cola, ie New Coke . Don't mess up a good thing. Was anyone really complaining about the old slabs ?
Total $hit, haha, you can’t roll out some new slab that has these issues and claim 3 years of development lol. I hope you are well and all goes well with the Doc!
Thanks man! Hope to see you next month!
TAG TAG TAG!!!!
So what happened? Been 2 weeks
They have no plan and have done nothing
mavs in 7
Celtics in 5
@@JunkWaxHero Hope so. Like I said before... don't want the flippers to win lol. Mavs pressed the pause button on ''baby Jordan'' Ant Edwards. So, I consider that a W.
The biggest surprise, in game 1, Kristaps Porzingis. Played like a man possessed. The thing about Boston, is they have multiple players, who can step up to win games on both ends of the court. And even though, it was just one game. They seem to match up well with Dallas. So, if Dallas loses this series. Luka and Kyrie's inefficiency on defense would be a big reason.
Wait a minute so now in addition to upcharge extortion, and crappy customer service, we get a new made in China Dollar General level slab? Well sign me up😂 Sure glad I no longer grade at all.
We love bgs beckett
PSA - please send again
Just go back to the old slab, for God's sake!
TAG is better than psa in every way literally every single way
PSA should just go out of business!!! They are the worst! I wouldn't use PSA if it was free!
PSA is best. Just deal with it. Everything has ups and down but nothing holds more value then PSA.
So we should ignore their flaws?
Beckett are the best of a bad bunch
These aren’t cracks! They are a tiny hairlike piece of plastic psa is using to keep the card from moving around in the slab.
Sorry, that’s not true. PSA has confirmed that they are cracks. Did you watch the video?
I don't need some stoonad telling me this card is a good looking card or telling me that this great looking card isn't also good. bwahahahahahaha. You might as well be a judge for pairs ice skating in the Olympics.
Made in China ????
never get my cards graded heard somany bad things about psa threw the years dont see why everyone is going to them I think its time to get that psa tramp stamp off youre backss and start grading some were else
Add another reason not to use PSA. Those slabs look terrible anyway.