Why is this airline BANNED in Europe? Flying the AIR MANAS A220
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- Air Manas are the first (and so far only) operator of the Airbus A220 in Central Asia. But why are they still banned from flying in Europe?
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The EU ban is for "All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Kyrgyzstan" - which typically means they don't trust the aviation regulator to actually regulate.
FAA gets nervous...
Money in the right pocket and the planes got Ok on checks
@@brentsummers7377 So? The FAA doesn't regulate aviation in the EU...
I wouldn't trust anything from that part either. especially Turks.
@@maxfactor4209 All airlines from Sudan and two from Iran (one partially, one fully) are banned too.
A few years ago, I did the trip from Bishkek to Osh on a taxi with two friends. It took 11 hours, cost us a grand total of $80 and allowed us to enjoy the spectacular landscapes, ranging from mountain passes to a beautiful lake in a very hot and dry area of the country.
The ban is there for a very good reason, which is a systematic and willful failure to enforce mandatory regulations. The aircraft might be new and in top condition now..the question is how it will be in a few years when the typically very relaxed approach to maintennance and safety bulletins has had a chance to take effect.
this. people can call racism or whatever they want, but like when i fly a battered-down a320 that is rocking so hard while rolling in a calm wind situation that the engines are close to hitting the ground, no autopilot the entire 2hr flight, full flaps while still crusing altitude... like no. especially the last one. i thanked the designers of those airplanes so many times, cause it was surely not the maintenance guys who kept it going. i'm undecided on the crew, i'll never know how much of it was due to their lack of training and how much was bad maintenance. (this was with some small air asia subsidiary, so definitely not the worst you can get, but also not great by any means.)
Bullshit. Most current Kyrgyzstan airlines fly very old MD80/A320/RJ85/B733s and they’ve never had a serious accident outside of some hard landings. Also, this airline belongs to the Turkish Airlines.
This is like th EU being racist and ignorant as usual.
@@bryanm.4869 Yes, I agree. And I’m British.
Politics is also a reason when it comes to the EU. It's funny how all Russian carriers became unsafe overnight 😂
Good to see some things are looking up - Kyrgyzstan has so much potential. I think the EU ban had more to do with ground/security infrastructure than the domestic airlines
Yes, exactly. The problem is likely to be due to sloppy government control, so that when a spot check took place at a western airport of a Kyrgyz airliner, it failed. Once that happened too often, the whole country was banned. Then it was a case of "give a dog a bad name".
Yea I agree. None of the current Kyrgyzstan Airlines have had a fatality.
@@albertabound5124 yet...
@@4551-c7b One could think that u r looking forward for it to happen... meh
We were supposed to do this flight together... thanks to covid! Great Video as always 😊
Omg yes my two favourite aviation enthusiasts! This needs to happen one day 🤞🏼🤞🏼
YES!!!! DO IT TOGETHER - ALL THE FLIGHTS> THAT WOULD BE AWESOME
Oof
How was this message posted 5 days ago? 🤷♂️TH-cam errors again?
No Josh Cahill is too negative
He’s the one TH-camr on TH-cam who has to find a problem everything
I'm agreed with you about the Airbus A220, it's a fantastic jet to fly. It's not a DC9/717/MD but it's about as good as it gets in the modern era. great seat configuration.
Nice to see your fellow passengers utilising the old "Chin hammock".
they all know its all fake political hype 👍😁
@@JK-dv3qe yh fuck the old and vulnerable people
Thank you Noel for show a nice country like this !! I was there in 2009 and was amazing
I was their a month ago. Bishkek is such a lovely place.
The design of the cabin ... with those posh orange seats ... is stunning.
Ah yes, when the domestic departure check-in is in the INTERNATIONAL area...
*LOGIC 100*
Hello, Beloved Supreme Leader!
Are you for real
The A220 looks fantastic. It gives me good vibes and I have a feeling that this aircraft is as safe as you can get in kyrgyzstan.
Love the A220. Based in GVA, I get to fly it often. However, I find it unusually loud if you sit over wing or just behind the engines. Best is to sit up front or at the very back.
It's definitely more dangerous on the ground than in the air. Glad you avoided the scolding by Rachel for the loss of the card. 😂
Great video! The A220 is my favourite regional jets - such a capable little aircraft!
And pretty! Looks like a baby 787
The 3:2 seat configuration reminds me of my Fokker 100 days.
8:20 my gosh the mum and the baby behind you, that was so adorable
It's not the aircraft you have to worry about, it's the Nimrods in the maintenance department.
I wonder if the ban was more infrastructure related. Most current Kyrgyzstan airlines fly very old MD80/A320/RJ85/B733s and they’ve never had a serious accident outside of some hard landings.
It's the entirety of the system. Can you buy your license, are the pilots properly type qualified, are they well practiced in CRM. It's easy to fly modern planes when nothing goes wrong. But when an engine fails during takeoff, will the pilots properly manage it? Air Manus may have all the programs in place, but who is auditing the performance of the processes? That's what gets your country banned. The US recently restricted Mexican carriers for regulation deficiencies, not a ban, but embarrassing.
i thought the Nimrod was retired years ago
✈️ Noel, you should plan a flight from Riga with AirBaltics Airbus A220-300 a.k.a CS300, and compare the flight with the inaugural flight witch you took 4.5y ago 😊 And also it would be an 'quality' update because, back in the day video was 360p and without any stabilization.
So this is how you bring your own IFE, Kyrgyz style @ 16:30.
Excellent video. Here in Canada I fly I on the A220-300, 2-3 times per month. It truly is a dream regional airplane. Thanks for sharing
Air Austral the other day took delivery of their first A220-300 from Montréal and flew it to Paris Charles de Gaulle from New Brunswick Canada over Ireland and the UK.
One of the things regulators look at now is operational procedures and training. Specifically Crew Resource Management(CRM).
CRM goes into how flight crews interact. Do older experienced pilots rule the cockpit by intimidation or does the younger 1st officer have the ability thru training to raise questions in a difficult situation.
It is one of the reasons for a two person crew on the flight deck. In any number of aircraft incidents a co pilot quite literally sat on his hands as a senior pilot made deadly errors. The list is long of cases.
Many times a carrier and regulatory authority had to fight with cultural norms to make improvements.
In the US it has resulted in a period of over ten years without any passenger fatalities. It includes things like the USAir ditching in the Hudson River with no fatalities, in freezing cold temperatures.
The A220/ 320 Neo really are beautiful commercial aircraft Esp love those P&W geared turbofan engines w/ that odd 'howl' pre spool up Super quiet!
16:52 you got me Noel. I thought you were on take off and that turn made my stomach drop.
The EU doesent trust that the Kyrgys Aviation people will actually Regulate the Airlines properly, and enforce safety standards even if the individual company is doing great. Air Manas Might get an Exception like certain other countries airlines have gotten before despite the Ban on the countrys airlines.
Bet that taxi driver believes he's living in a Fast & Furious movie
I've been to Kyrgyzstan twice and I thought the driver seemed fairly calm compared to others I've seen 😂
I had a Taxi driver like that. Driving 120. Beeping at everyone that was driving slow in front of him. 😅😅
Love the description of the cab ride 😂
14:39 Feels patriotic seeing "Champion KENYA" 🇰🇪 signage at the airport.
Great vlog as always! If you still want to fly the MD-80, contact DAT, Danish Air Transport. They still have ONE MD-83 flying. OY-RUE. The last time I saw it on TV it was flying the danes home from England after fotball exit. I will do a deal with you. Ask how much the need to let us charter the plane, and we can rent it for a few hours…
I really enjoyed your review Noel. Will pass it to my friend who works for Air Manas. And many thanks for your kind words about my homeland.
I had a brief visit to Manas in 2012. Your country is beautiful, and I definitely want to go back as a tourist.
Realy nice video great rewieving 8:22 that melody made me so happy that i cried.🙂
Love these videos on different airlines and areas!
Great video as always! The livery is very Swiss. From instance you could be forgiven to think it was one of their A220. Air fares definitely seem to be very cheap in that part of the world. ✈️
Love the turquoise acoustic engine liner colour
14:36 Love the woman checking in holding a framed painting. 😂
20:57 nearly the end headed into the terminal a guy had hand carried a small desktop with him on the flight. Fun stuff.
Looks like you need a curve card sponsorship deal Noel 😉 - have had the exact same happen to me in regards to foreign atms swallowing my card. I wasn't quite as lucky as you getting mine back, the Thai bank just said, get a new one aha.
Ho Noel,
A great little video, looking at check in and the chaos, you still see that in the UK.
Excellent Amigo, hello from Dublin Ireland and God bless you on all your travels.
Look what the A220 did to Air Baltic, its amazing. It can transform an entire airline massively. It’s good to maintain, hyper efficient, very safe, great payload, good range, great comfort. It’s an amazing plane by bombardier. Great that Airbus did the merge with bombardier.
They did nothing to that company what are you talkin about
I have made one flight on the A220 from MAN-ZRH and was very impressed indeed with what I found. Really comfortable and nicely finished inside and those overhead bins are Huuuuge
Airbus practically stole the Bombardier CSeries project.
I was just in Bishkek again (lived there a few years back) and booked the TezJet RJ85 because I’d only ever been on the 100 before! I didn’t know manas was even operating anymore because Kyrgyz airlines come and go so quickly 😂 this made me happy to see a bit of real Kyrgyz life seen by another foreigner and shown to the world, thanks Noel and sorry I couldn’t see y’a in Bishkek!
18:17 lovely music and amazing scenery😍❤️❤️❤️❤️
Another great video. Keep up the good work Noel!
A new aircraft does not mean good regulatory oversight…
Awesome plane with the 2-3 seats the huge toilet at the back!
Brings back memories of flying out of Manas, checking in is so disorganised and last minute......you realise how orderly other airports are!
That difficult ATM seems unusual to me, too! I am surprised and pleased you were able to get them to help you retrieve your card. Actually, very surprised!
7:35 A decent amount of leg room lol. Props to you keep up the vids.
The a220 looks really good
I would love to fly on it
great video as always .you mentioned your taxi driver trying to break speed records.remember mine doing 98 miles an hour going to IST istanbul airport.glad your last taxi driver was'nt so fast as your were not wearing your seat belt.rachel will probably give you a bollocking for that and not the credit card.
I do wonder sometimes how some airlines manage to remain banned and others with quite questionable practices are allowed to continue operating. Thanks for the video, Noel.
Sometimes it's only because of country of operations.
It’s political and xenophobia.
@@thetraveller334 Lol, it’s known that such countries are seriously corrupt from government to corporations, including lax safety checks and often fraud when it comes to pilot experience. EU is right to ban such airliners who pose danger here.
@@SR-ur7yl and none of the Countries in the EU is corrupt?
@@thetraveller334 not xenophobic but political. For example, North Korean airline companies are banned from flying North America and the EU due to being a state own entity and also because of lax inspection.
Travelled to Kyrgyzstan for 20 years for work on a regular monthly rotation. Very different airport. In 1995,1996 when started there. Manas was interesting experience.Hotels were very interesting. No ATM’s back then.
Excellent views when not blocked by clouds.
Great video! You're the best!
All because a plane is new, doesn't mean it is safe to fly. How it is being maintained, and flown is very important to safety.
I thought it was a Swiss International very similar scheme! I have been on CS100 and CS300 great aircraft to fly. 👍😊
Great video as always, glad you got your card back
I’m still waiting on Delta to get the 220 flying more often.
At SFO there are a few domestic airlines that check in at the international terminal, even for domestic flights. I want to say it was Virgin (before being acquired by Alaska) and a few others.
Such a great video! To be honest I would probably do what you have done Noel and fly on both the old and modern planes! I have still not flown on the A220 yet but I really want to 😊
The 220 is a C series at core
16:29 Desktop CPU hand baggage 🙂🖥
16:48 ScareCrow
Great pickup!! Significantly improved my enjoyment of an already good video!
@@melglobus thank you
Beating the babushkas might be frowned upon in that part of the world Noel 😂😂😂
Very smooth landing I must say on the first flight
I'm new to your channel and its brilliant content mate 👌 well done
Welcome aboard!
Fair point about blanket EU ban on Kyrg airlines. However thanks to Brexit there is absolutely nothing that UK can do to influence EU to change this policy.
I had a similar experience with the check in at FRU. Confusing! The new A 220 is a great improvement over the old 737-700 I flew the last time I went to Osh. Thanks for the video!
Safety is about maintenance regimes not how new and shiny a plane is!
i loved the flight i enjoy flying with you all the time i also love the country brings back a long lost feeling deja vu you can say greetings from the netherlands
Its not usually the aircraft which are banned. Its the pilots themselves. Many of these country's have been found to have pilots without licences etc
Noel Lovely report.Could you tell me in your point view ( passenger) what's makes A220 better than Embraer E2?
To be honest I’ve only flown the E2 once. It’s a nice plane, but I flew it with an airline that crammed in a lot of seats (Widerøe), so it’s not a fair comparison. I’d love to try it with an airline that gives you a bit more space.
@@noelphilips I've seen this report it was a Norwegian carrier.Maybe you should try KLM.Thanks for the answer, I am a great fan of your channel
Forget the quality of the aircraft - it’s the national aviation regulators and maintenance standards that the EU are worried about.
Great Video Noel, Air Manas seems a joy to fly, especially onboard the A220
My Taxi driver in Bishkek was Zooming like Noel's one was as well. Driving at like 120. 😅😅
And Beeping at peopls that were driving to slow. 😅😅
Always a pleasure watching your videos , very informative with a funny twist . Keep up the good work Noel and hope to see you one day here in Perth , Western Australia and join me for a flight on my electric hydrofoils .
Definitely the A220 for me, what a beautiful plane x
Great Video! Watching from the departure lounge at Edinburgh Airport 😊
Can I please ask what the music was during the end when you were explaining the old planes for geeks and new planes for regular fliers?
Why is there no A220 in Europe? Three years ago, I flew this plane (although then it was called CS300) from Riga to Amsterdam and back from Riga to Moscow.. It was the first A220 of "Air Baltic"
Swiss flies 30 A220's and Air France is set to receive their first at the end of September!
The Bombardier CSeries is not a regional airliner. Its range is similar to A320neo.
heard you radio5live while watching your helsinki to gatwick trip
01:33 "They couldn't have just given it to me at the hotel."
They are not allowed to give retrieved cards back to people, but even if the card was given to you, you would not be able to use it, because any swallowed card becomes inactivated to prevent fraud. So in any case, you would have to go to the bank and fill all paper work to activate your card.
yeah, the only lucky constellation is when eg. it's an ATM attached to a branch of a bank, with that branch open at the time. in that case if they feel like it and you have a good story they can retrieve it for you right then and there. if they're not open, forget it.
Great video! How do you attach the camera to the window for these beautifull time laps shots? :)
Wait considering we’re not in the EU anymore, are Kyrgyz airlines still banned for us?
yes, they can't fly over EU airspace, not just land in it
@@Tanzadog1 oh yeah fair I didn’t think of that
@@Tanzadog1 it’s so fuck up
Keep up the great videos 🌏
Thanks, will do!
Bangkok air have great Air con,Hopefully get back to Koh Samui soon.. Have you been on Bangkok air ?, nice wee flight to Samui take under 1hr.. Great videos keep up the good work.
What a shame that this airline alongside other Kyrgyzstani airlines are banned in Europe! So how are you gonna back to the UK when it's time to go home? But anyway, you're one of the best aviation TH-camrs! You deserve to stay in TH-cam for many more years to come!
Probably fly on an airline that isn't from Kyrgzystan
@@FoxyRhino I know, but the real question is which airline? I know that at the end of his Nepal trip, Noel flew on Etihad from Kathmandu to Manchester via Abu Dhabi, then at the end of his few days trip in Africa last time, he flew back to Manchester via Doha, so maybe let's see this time. Maybe he'll fly on Aeroflot again, but he's so adventurous these days, so something tells me that he'll fly back home on a different airline again.
fly on a non Kyrgyzstani airline
Hi
You genuinely make amazing videos and the reviews are very informative, covering just the right amount of information coupled up with the uncanny humour. I hope you visit Lahore, Pakistan someday and I can take you around the city. Great content, I watch all your videos ever since you had 20k subscribers.
Cheers Noel!
Airbus, wich you flew firstly was to be delivered to Red Wings, and after 2 years Air Manas took this plane.
"new planes improve safety standards"
737MAX: sweating neverously
GREAT VIDEO NOEL I LOVE IT
Great video 🛫✈️
WHAT AN AMAZING LIFE YOU ARE LIVING! My wife won't let me do this even once.
why does your wife control what you do?
I enjoyed the video!
Love the content!
I'd take the A220 for the experience since it is a pretty rare short haul variant. I've never flown one
Great a220! Write the European aviation administration an email and show them the vid
Airbus got a super bargain buying the A220 (CS100) from bombardier. It is a fantastic aircraft.
The question is..what will happen when it requires more maintenance? Will the same standards remain?
love these oddball airlines, and the content not just about the flights, THANKS
Great video