For those of you who have beef with his review or think he's bad... At the very least skip to 11:50.. He says an important fact about sport cars and as to why our HOBBY is disappearing.
The biggest reason why automakers are "padding the interior with as much shit as possible to distract you from driving" is because the public wants to be distracted. You can see it from the BRZ/FT86 sales numbers. People who want a pure driving experience are going extinct.
Taking advice or a review from a guy who has a bald head and refers to an frs and an s2000 as piles isn't a review he should probably just go and review mini vans where's he's safe and comfy
I am watching this on March 04, 2020. I see this was posted 5+ years back. Starting an enterprise and sticking to it through the early &/or down days is hard. I'm glad you kept up the good work. I'm also impressed with the quality of your work that far back, as well as the consistency in idiosyncrasies, nuttiness, fun, & quality you have maintained. Cheers man.
OhHeyThereGuy well the question now is should I get a s2k for 10k used 70k miles in it or a frs for 30k zero miles. (I'm rounding up because who likes odd numbers right)
***** well with a brand new frs you also get new warranty, and you will know exactly if the car has been broken in and how it was driven. It's up to you to decide if it's worth it.
The Honda s2000 is literally a dream car for me and this video has helped me set realistic expectations for that car. Thank you for that! When I get this car I will know what to expect!
The most fun and facts packed car review I have watched in a long while! Such a releave from your normal "sugarcoated" car reviews that are everywhere now. You should start reviewing other cars as well. Keep up the good work!
So.....did Tim get killed when he lost control? It looked like a relatively minor impact into a padded barrier. I don't get it and I don't think I'm alone.
stuna101a No thankfully not, Ive seen that video somewhere else where the video continues, for some reason i cant find it rn. Idk why he would make it seem that way lol a rare instance where i didn’t get the joke from this otherwise hilarious channel
I came here because I’m looking at these two cars atm. I gotta say that this is one of the best reviews I’ve watched in a long time. Love the comedy in between and the use of PSO and other game music for the bg. Great job!
@@RingerRacing Yes, that's how I feel, too. Or more precisely, online connection to manufacturer makes me feel violated, stalked and enslaved and electronic helpers and warnings are a neurotic co-driver screeching in your ear.
I've had my S2000 for over 12 years as a daily runner. It still puts a smile on my from the first day I bought it and yes, I drive it like I stole it. 👍😁
I 2nd that statement: 2003 NFR ap1 bought in 2010 11,0xx miles / sold 2018 71,5xx miles daily driver; autoxc; 600 mile trips; back roads; hardpack off-road; V-TEC!!!!!! bbbBBBwwwWWWAAAHHHHHH’!!!!!!!!!! 9k🙏🏽 HONDA IT WAS JUST A DREAM F1 car 🚗
S2000 > FRS. Different classes. Different engineering goals and definately different execution. The Honda S2000 is a top class car with many awards and the engine is a marble of engineering getting it the award of best N/A engine in history by Car and Driver. Let's not forget different generations so the comparison is ridiculous.
Diablo99V The comparison is perfectly legit when you consider that these cars ARE cross shopped against each other. Your conclusion is bang on though, S2K too good.
Savage geese vids are never a let down, always get into all the details some one looking at purchasing a car should know, helped me figure out i want the frs instead, thanks guys😎
I feel like a lot of the things that people criticize the s2k for are reasons that I love mine even more. I don't want my sports car to be easy for everyone. I don't want it to be practical. I want to have to work for all the power up top.. it makes it exciting to me, and actually feels special. Like you said, this car was built specifically to be driven and enjoyed. That's it. And it does that very well.
I'm always left confused because I watch his videos hear his complaints and then get in my car and hit the on ramp and off ramp on the highway at high speeds and feel so much satisfaction. The car doesn't feel as slow as people say it is to me. Maybe because I haven't driven a 60,000 dollar car.. But why would you compare the two anyway? Plus almost car within price range that I race.. I beat.. And none of them have as much soul as mine or look as good. I was given a 2010 Mazda 6 and it had a nice interior with gizmos and gadgets... Gave it back to her and bought my frs because I wanted a car that was fun to drive... Also I think the car looks pretty damn good. And so does everyone else who approaches me daily to ask about it. Videos are entertaining but I just can't relate to any of the problems he has about the car.
chas3wba0 lol, a V6 camry ain't got shit on an 8-6 in the corners. My Spec-V (sentra) is faster in the straight...no where fucking close in the corners. NOT EVEN CLOSE. 8-6 is probably more fun too.
Excellent real review from a car enthusiast's perspective. I will mention that, the DBW system in the 06+ S2000 is fantastic. Having owned both a 05 and an 07 S2000, the time delay between a throttle cable and the S2k DBW system isn't noticeable enough. As for performance vs. an 86 at an auto-x, it's a driver's game. I've seen S2k's beat 86's and vice-versa with no real clear winner. I'd say the two are evenly matched and skill/comfort level with the car is the deciding factor. Keep up the good work with your reviews, guys!
Hey Savagegeese, I'm so happy I saw this video , it has everything, is fun, entertainment and it teaches u alot , by the way is ma funny how Scot is running away. Good video by the way as always...
Such a great video. I found this trying to reference the Drive video on this topic but this was so much better. It was so focused on how much more in depth the information was that the humor caught me completely off guard. So dry and funny, keep it up.
The world would be better place if everybody was telling the truth like you reviewed with all your cars. Another great video and maybe the best video ever created for GT86/FRS/BRZ vs S2000 Great work! Wow I am so impressed once again! Thank you for sharing.
Couldn’t disagree with you more old chap. A chum and a Porsche 997 was amazed how hard he had to work just to keep up with the 86 in the hills. I also thrashed an S 2000 on the roads behind the Nurbergring. It was okay but nothing special. Gimmicky dashboard, full of rattles and very cramped. If you can’t afford an 86/BRZ a secondhand Porsche Boxster with sticky tyres is a better bet IMO
Enjoyed your review and Appreciate your honesty. I must say however, as an owner of an 05 AP2, silverstone at 6'2, 200lbs I fit perfectly and love the seating position.
6:15 It would be a horrible style clash if a fat person could sit in an S2000. Almost a design flaw, violating the spirit, the philosophy of the car. If you got extra pounds and want to drive an S2000, rev high and burn those calories. (In fact, the release of the S2000 might have contributed to public health that way.) And if you're very tall, ... well, then go bald and wear thin clothes or something. Not my problem. I am made for the car. I'm small and couldn't even get fat if I tried. (I rev too high.) Man, watching these S2000 videos is hard for me! They always remind me of how differently my life could have gone if I had not been pressured into misery to not get the car I knew was the best lifelong investment and my automotive spirit animal. I hear about its flaws that would bother me so much in other cars, but not in this one. Oh well, everything happens for a porpoise. I'll just have to wade in sea. 11:30 His first mistake was too eager and nervous steering, second mistake not getting fully off the throttle once the spin announced itself, third mistake to try and countersteer instead of turning the car 180. He pretty much allowed the wild rear to push the front right into the barricades. (And when there are any obstacles nearby (which is bad for a race track), I would never risk it anyway. No stupid lap time on a scoreboard is worth wrecking your S2000.) I wouldn't even have worried about wrecking my S2000, because I would have been so content just pushing it in a straight line and doing some brief nimble maneuvers in ideal conditions. The RWD is always a reminder to not get stupid. ... Even my Corolla I planned to keep forever, and so far it worked, although not as pleasantly as I imagined. *Your sub count reads 404. ... Just like my happiness.*
I think the informative parts of the S2000 half are good. Minus the slightly worse video quality, it seems on par with your newer stuff. On top of that though, the shit talking is what I enjoy the most.
I love your videos. And I own a 2014 Lightning Red BRZ. In Canada the S2000 was over $48,000 CAD before tax. The twins start at $26,670 today before tax. I'm only pointing that out to people outside the USA who might be judging these cars as equals, because they aren't. The S2000 out the door is twice as much money. And this is not even considering inflation. You might as well compare the S2000 to the GTR next. Only food for thought. I love both of these cars with all my heart. I look forward to part two. Thanks for making this video!
Exactly. If we consider price when new, the S2K would be compared to the Audi TT and a Porsche Boxster/Cayman, and would lose handily to the latter. It was never the entry level car the 86 is trying to be.
What do you think about the S15 Silvia Spec R? I know you guys in the States can't get em for another 10 years but they're legal now in Canada. From the numbers it seems like it's a more powerful s2k with the practicality of a FRS.
I was worried by the Mazda 3 review that you were running out of ideas. This video proved me wrong. Can't wait for part two. BTW this video is a lot better and informative than all the professional reviews I've seen. My biggest complaint about the fr-s is the transmission (mine is junk, feels clunky, hard to guide into correct gear, low rpm shifts are just horrible and causes grinding noises sometimes) and the torque is horrible. Any respectable engineer who looked at the stock FR-S torque curve would have gone back to the drawing board after looking at that torque curve.
Haha! Fucking LOL! Mark! Love your videos! I just found you, and your editing and insight (and Mr. Turbo-w-ski!) are fucking crystal clear awesome!!! Subscribed! *Yay for exclamation marks!!!*
@savagegeese: That part was so disturbing without knowing the concept, that I wasnt able to focus on the video few seconds after. Yet, right after that, you put the most important message of the series. which I have missed for the first time, coz my brain was full of 'that impact wasnt that bad, did he really died?' Just a bit of constructive feedback. Also, given the whole sarcastic theme of your videos, its often hard to find the line of where you are guys being serious and when you are taking a piss:) but I guess thats the point:D
I think the mushy stock powerband was deliberate. They wanted an engine that would handle a 50% FI power increase without any major upgrades, but a relatively sedate powerband for all the average Joe drivers out there who won't be doing autocross or any other form of racing. Toyota will probably never release an actual TRD supercharged version of the car, but there may be as nowball's chance in hell of an STI. Probably won't come to the states, though, like most other non-WRX STIs. Nice no-bullshit review. I would have liked to hear more about the stock 86 suspension back-to-back vs the S2000.
Amazing review man. I own a 2004 S2000 and 1994 NSX and totally agree with just about everything you said, including the analog vs modern cars. Any way you can make a bleeped/silenced cussing version of this? I would love to show this to family and friends but the cussing is too much. Thanks!
I had to make the choice about 6 months ago. I went to drive the FR-S and was left pretty disappointed. There was just no balls on the acceleration, I could barely tell it apart from any other compact car. It felt solid on the turns but nothing that made me fall in love with it. Made me feel weird like I was an oddball because every journalist was raving. I then drove the S2000 (AP1, never got to drive the AP2 but I hear it really doesn't feel that different) and the rest is history. The designed 15 year thing is nuts. I wonder how good the car would have been and how much more power they would have squeezed out of the engine with the tech they have now.
17x8 45 with 235 series RS3s. Good balance, but if you start going hard core track better to switch to a 17x9 35 or 17x9 40 if you can find it with 245 tires.
Can't wait for part 2. I was very close to purchasing an frs...until I drove one. The motor is truly horrible stock. These cars shouldn't be focused on the motor, but the frs is so bad that it distracts from what other attributes the car offers. I daily drove a h22a prelude for years and while the frs/brz motor and the h22 make similar figures on paper, on the street they couldn't be more different. The h22 pulls with authority and purpose from every rpm so much harder...and it revs higher....and it sounds better...Oh yeah, and it puts down about 30 more to the wheels than a stock frs/brz...I drove an s2000 and frs in the same week before finding a mr2 spyder for less than 4k that I picked up to hold me over until the ND miata comes out. I still have the urge to buy an s2000 everytime I see one. Incredible cars.
What are your thoughts on Crawfords BRZ? is it worth the money to get 500hp, or should I have thought about it a little harder and should have purchased a better sports car?
+Evan H '06 would be ok, because it has stability control and traction control.... '05... please join the S2000 facebook pages first, so we can take advantage of the partout when you crash it ;)
"when I touch the throttle, this is what happens" -> cable slop xD not to rag on grandpa too much, I like the feel of cable more but the reality is that DBW can be just as fast and it's simply not for emissions sake.
am i the only one who likes that retro looking s2k dash
No
We all love it
I love it
This guys just a douche lol. He was biased from the start against the s2k n forgot it's almost 20 years old
@@kevinbowman3592 He's had four S2000s so I highly doubt he's biased against it. He currently has a yellow AP2 that he modified for track use.
As a 2022 subscriber
Super excited to go back and watch all your older videos
It was strange back then. Had an idea of how to do it. And now its basically revisions of the old concept.
I'm 6'4" and I loved my S2000 for the two years I had it. Lowered the seat by one inch with new seat rails. That helped and I was very comfortable.
For those of you who have beef with his review or think he's bad... At the very least skip to 11:50.. He says an important fact about sport cars and as to why our HOBBY is disappearing.
So true
The biggest reason why automakers are "padding the interior with as much shit as possible to distract you from driving" is because the public wants to be distracted. You can see it from the BRZ/FT86 sales numbers. People who want a pure driving experience are going extinct.
Taking advice or a review from a guy who has a bald head and refers to an frs and an s2000 as piles isn't a review he should probably just go and review mini vans where's he's safe and comfy
of all pictures of a nsx to use..lawl
I am watching this on March 04, 2020. I see this was posted 5+ years back. Starting an enterprise and sticking to it through the early &/or down days is hard. I'm glad you kept up the good work. I'm also impressed with the quality of your work that far back, as well as the consistency in idiosyncrasies, nuttiness, fun, & quality you have maintained. Cheers man.
its rattles, shakes, small size and lack of storage space are all overshadowed BY THAT GODDAMN ENGINE
over a decade older and still... the s2000 is still faster and a better all around sports car.
It was also significantly more expensive, too. Funny how people keep forgetting that part.
OhHeyThereGuy well the question now is should I get a s2k for 10k used 70k miles in it or a frs for 30k zero miles. (I'm rounding up because who likes odd numbers right)
***** well with a brand new frs you also get new warranty, and you will know exactly if the car has been broken in and how it was driven. It's up to you to decide if it's worth it.
you can usually find a well maintain and great condition s2000 for 15k here in california.
Drunk Puto 20k less my bad.
You're honesty and humor make these video my favorite car reviews on youtube. Awesome production quality too. Looking forward to more!
The Honda s2000 is literally a dream car for me and this video has helped me set realistic expectations for that car. Thank you for that! When I get this car I will know what to expect!
You got one yet? S2000 was my dream car too
The most fun and facts packed car review I have watched in a long while! Such a releave from your normal "sugarcoated" car reviews that are everywhere now. You should start reviewing other cars as well. Keep up the good work!
So.....did Tim get killed when he lost control? It looked like a relatively minor impact into a padded barrier. I don't get it and I don't think I'm alone.
stuna101a No thankfully not, Ive seen that video somewhere else where the video continues, for some reason i cant find it rn. Idk why he would make it seem that way lol a rare instance where i didn’t get the joke from this otherwise hilarious channel
I came here because I’m looking at these two cars atm.
I gotta say that this is one of the best reviews I’ve watched in a long time. Love the comedy in between and the use of PSO and other game music for the bg.
Great job!
Awesome review. I love that you are not afraid to say what everyone else is thinking.
Look forward to part deux..
"unmolested driving experience" I love this statement :)
no doubt...pretty much all new cars molest my experience
@@RingerRacing Yes, that's how I feel, too. Or more precisely, online connection to manufacturer makes me feel violated, stalked and enslaved and electronic helpers and warnings are a neurotic co-driver screeching in your ear.
truly appreciated this vid...thanks!
What's the story behind Tim M story? Great review!
Came to the comments looking for an answer to this question.
I didn't even get three minutes in before laughing my ass off and hitting the "Like" button.
I've had my S2000 for over 12 years as a daily runner. It still puts a smile on my from the first day I bought it and yes, I drive it like I stole it. 👍😁
I 2nd that statement: 2003 NFR ap1 bought in 2010 11,0xx miles / sold 2018 71,5xx miles daily driver; autoxc; 600 mile trips; back roads; hardpack off-road; V-TEC!!!!!! bbbBBBwwwWWWAAAHHHHHH’!!!!!!!!!! 9k🙏🏽
HONDA IT WAS JUST A DREAM F1 car 🚗
Can't believe this was 8 years ago
Quality content then, and even better now
Both great cars. Need to realize, MSRP for the s2000 back in 2000 was 34,000. So it did have a higher price point and that is without inflation.
I would get a Mugen made hard top for the S2000, and get rid of the soft top.
S2000 > FRS. Different classes. Different engineering goals and definately different execution. The Honda S2000 is a top class car with many awards and the engine is a marble of engineering getting it the award of best N/A engine in history by Car and Driver. Let's not forget different generations so the comparison is ridiculous.
Diablo99V The comparison is perfectly legit when you consider that these cars ARE cross shopped against each other. Your conclusion is bang on though, S2K too good.
*Marvel, not marble of engineering. lol!
Ryan Wingate marble is correct. Don’t tell me you never heard that term.
@@rps13sr still wrong word used
Anthony Perez it’s the right word. Don’t tell me you never heard of that word in that phrase.
Savage geese vids are never a let down, always get into all the details some one looking at purchasing a car should know, helped me figure out i want the frs instead, thanks guys😎
Excellent review, I was pleasantly surprised!
This is one of the finest reviews I've ever seen. Thank you!
I'm 6"4 no issues I fit with not an inch to spare ....love it !!
Never noticed before but the animated thumbnail for this video is pretty awesome. That is just next level detail.
Seriously disappointed in the lack of information on where to purchase the measuring device used in this video.
You make your own measuring device and use that as a reference.
Didn't you come with one from factory?
This guy is a true, and honest journalist. I have respect
I feel like a lot of the things that people criticize the s2k for are reasons that I love mine even more. I don't want my sports car to be easy for everyone. I don't want it to be practical. I want to have to work for all the power up top.. it makes it exciting to me, and actually feels special. Like you said, this car was built specifically to be driven and enjoyed. That's it. And it does that very well.
I'm always left confused because I watch his videos hear his complaints and then get in my car and hit the on ramp and off ramp on the highway at high speeds and feel so much satisfaction. The car doesn't feel as slow as people say it is to me. Maybe because I haven't driven a 60,000 dollar car.. But why would you compare the two anyway? Plus almost car within price range that I race.. I beat.. And none of them have as much soul as mine or look as good. I was given a 2010 Mazda 6 and it had a nice interior with gizmos and gadgets... Gave it back to her and bought my frs because I wanted a car that was fun to drive... Also I think the car looks pretty damn good. And so does everyone else who approaches me daily to ask about it. Videos are entertaining but I just can't relate to any of the problems he has about the car.
It's partly the curse of having been in too many cars at this point. The car is excellent for what it is.
That's the beauty of the FRS/BRZ. You don't have to pack 300 horses and hit 60 in
chas3wba0 lol, a V6 camry ain't got shit on an 8-6 in the corners. My Spec-V (sentra) is faster in the straight...no where fucking close in the corners. NOT EVEN CLOSE. 8-6 is probably more fun too.
***** m3 really dude drive a f-1 and you will see how slow the m3 is
Rafael Martinez haha, nice.
Where can I find these original videos where tada and the other developers talk about developing the car?
Thanks
Can't wait for the second part. I'm cross shopping a S2000, BRZ, and 370z. Want something I can daily and do HPDEs.
One of the best videos about automotive enthusiasm.
Excellent real review from a car enthusiast's perspective. I will mention that, the DBW system in the 06+ S2000 is fantastic. Having owned both a 05 and an 07 S2000, the time delay between a throttle cable and the S2k DBW system isn't noticeable enough. As for performance vs. an 86 at an auto-x, it's a driver's game. I've seen S2k's beat 86's and vice-versa with no real clear winner. I'd say the two are evenly matched and skill/comfort level with the car is the deciding factor. Keep up the good work with your reviews, guys!
Alan Barrese Thanks for the comments about the DBW.
I can't believe I only found out about this channel today! You have yourself another subscriber! :)
Hey Savagegeese, I'm so happy I saw this video , it has everything, is fun, entertainment and it teaches u alot , by the way is ma funny how Scot is running away. Good video by the way as always...
William Garcia a lot is two worfs
Words
Such a great video. I found this trying to reference the Drive video on this topic but this was so much better. It was so focused on how much more in depth the information was that the humor caught me completely off guard. So dry and funny, keep it up.
xjoseywales Glad you liked this, it was about the most honest thing we have done.
I am obsessed with the s2k makes sense I’ve had an eye for “the brothers”
I enjoyed this. Nice video!
Thanks for the very comprehensive video. Helped me seal my decision that I'm going to be shopping for an S2000.
The world would be better place if everybody was telling the truth like you reviewed with all your cars.
Another great video and maybe the best video ever created for GT86/FRS/BRZ vs S2000
Great work!
Wow I am so impressed once again!
Thank you for sharing.
Gosh it really makes me wanna but an S2k after hearing the creator talk about it’s purpose. Makes me appreciate driving that much more now
Enjoyed this video!
Great video, really informative!
Couldn’t disagree with you more old chap. A chum and a Porsche 997 was amazed how hard he had to work just to keep up with the 86 in the hills. I also thrashed an S 2000 on the roads behind the Nurbergring. It was okay but nothing special. Gimmicky dashboard, full of rattles and very cramped. If you can’t afford an 86/BRZ a secondhand Porsche Boxster with sticky tyres is a better bet IMO
another note, yes the 05, s2000 is most sought for because of the breed between ap1 and ap2. although each new year, the s2000 improve in performance.
Enjoyed your review and Appreciate your honesty. I must say however, as an owner of an 05 AP2, silverstone at 6'2, 200lbs I fit perfectly and love the seating position.
lavere Thanks appreciate it. You are a purest! Most guys your size whine about it.
6:15 It would be a horrible style clash if a fat person could sit in an S2000. Almost a design flaw, violating the spirit, the philosophy of the car.
If you got extra pounds and want to drive an S2000, rev high and burn those calories. (In fact, the release of the S2000 might have contributed to public health that way.)
And if you're very tall, ... well, then go bald and wear thin clothes or something. Not my problem. I am made for the car. I'm small and couldn't even get fat if I tried. (I rev too high.)
Man, watching these S2000 videos is hard for me! They always remind me of how differently my life could have gone if I had not been pressured into misery to not get the car I knew was the best lifelong investment and my automotive spirit animal. I hear about its flaws that would bother me so much in other cars, but not in this one.
Oh well, everything happens for a porpoise. I'll just have to wade in sea.
11:30 His first mistake was too eager and nervous steering, second mistake not getting fully off the throttle once the spin announced itself, third mistake to try and countersteer instead of turning the car 180. He pretty much allowed the wild rear to push the front right into the barricades. (And when there are any obstacles nearby (which is bad for a race track), I would never risk it anyway. No stupid lap time on a scoreboard is worth wrecking your S2000.)
I wouldn't even have worried about wrecking my S2000, because I would have been so content just pushing it in a straight line and doing some brief nimble maneuvers in ideal conditions. The RWD is always a reminder to not get stupid. ... Even my Corolla I planned to keep forever, and so far it worked, although not as pleasantly as I imagined.
*Your sub count reads 404. ... Just like my happiness.*
Revisiting one of your old videos, I don't know why you have so many dislikes here compared to your newer stuff. This is one of my favorites.
+tyronejk I wanted to remake the S2000 portion. This is one of my favorite videos. Dont get the hate.
I think the informative parts of the S2000 half are good. Minus the slightly worse video quality, it seems on par with your newer stuff. On top of that though, the shit talking is what I enjoy the most.
I was laughing my ass off at the one liners.
Phantasy Star 3 music??? Holy crap!!!
great sense of humor guys. 👍👍
i fucking love the old school vibe in this video. I know what im doing for the rest of the week
Funny and informative. great video!
Enjoyed thoroughly
I’m 6’2 and I fit in my S just fine. I do wish the wheel telescoped though.
I love your videos. And I own a 2014 Lightning Red BRZ.
In Canada the S2000 was over $48,000 CAD before tax. The twins start at $26,670 today before tax. I'm only pointing that out to people outside the USA who might be judging these cars as equals, because they aren't. The S2000 out the door is twice as much money. And this is not even considering inflation. You might as well compare the S2000 to the GTR next. Only food for thought.
I love both of these cars with all my heart. I look forward to part two. Thanks for making this video!
Adam Ball same here bought my brz used for thirteen grand lol what kinda of s would youget
Exactly. If we consider price when new, the S2K would be compared to the Audi TT and a Porsche Boxster/Cayman, and would lose handily to the latter. It was never the entry level car the 86 is trying to be.
What do you think about the S15 Silvia Spec R? I know you guys in the States can't get em for another 10 years but they're legal now in Canada. From the numbers it seems like it's a more powerful s2k with the practicality of a FRS.
I was worried by the Mazda 3 review that you were running out of ideas. This video proved me wrong. Can't wait for part two. BTW this video is a lot better and informative than all the professional reviews I've seen. My biggest complaint about the fr-s is the transmission (mine is junk, feels clunky, hard to guide into correct gear, low rpm shifts are just horrible and causes grinding noises sometimes) and the torque is horrible. Any respectable engineer who looked at the stock FR-S torque curve would have gone back to the drawing board after looking at that torque curve.
Great review 👍
Hey man! I've been wondering for awhile, what track do you go to? I'm from the same area (dekalb)
Autobahn and Gingerman. Autobahn being much closer to you.
Hahaha I live in sycamore just gotta throw out that dekalb county love man
jack just passed his driving exam
Just picked up a 2005 berlina black with 106k. I am in heaven.
+1nvd nice choice
+Shaun DYST the black interior was the better choice! Clean!
good review!
Loved this video! I know most of those roads and industrial parking lots. Had many car photo shoots there. 👍
no doubt , subscribed ..props
Bro. WHAT HAPPENED TO TIM M.????
+future62 i wanna know too
+future62 died with his girlfriend from what I know. Please remove that video, its sick...
+Nigo No one died in that car he died after, unrelated.
Haha! Fucking LOL! Mark! Love your videos! I just found you, and your editing and insight (and Mr. Turbo-w-ski!) are fucking crystal clear awesome!!! Subscribed!
*Yay for exclamation marks!!!*
@savagegeese: That part was so disturbing without knowing the concept, that I wasnt able to focus on the video few seconds after. Yet, right after that, you put the most important message of the series. which I have missed for the first time, coz my brain was full of 'that impact wasnt that bad, did he really died?' Just a bit of constructive feedback. Also, given the whole sarcastic theme of your videos, its often hard to find the line of where you are guys being serious and when you are taking a piss:) but I guess thats the point:D
I can tell you are a movie can by your choice of shirts haha. That Total Recall shirt is hilarious!
I got the BRZ and love it (bought the later build and got no problems so far after 5500km). Is there a car like BRZ that has 300 HP?
Cayman
5:25 Chrysler Sebring: "This car is incredible. If I were to buy a convertible -- I'd take this over that hunk of junk (Honda S2000) any day."
I think the mushy stock powerband was deliberate. They wanted an engine that would handle a 50% FI power increase without any major upgrades, but a relatively sedate powerband for all the average Joe drivers out there who won't be doing autocross or any other form of racing. Toyota will probably never release an actual TRD supercharged version of the car, but there may be as nowball's chance in hell of an STI. Probably won't come to the states, though, like most other non-WRX STIs.
Nice no-bullshit review. I would have liked to hear more about the stock 86 suspension back-to-back vs the S2000.
Great review.
Amazing review man. I own a 2004 S2000 and 1994 NSX and totally agree with just about everything you said, including the analog vs modern cars. Any way you can make a bleeped/silenced cussing version of this? I would love to show this to family and friends but the cussing is too much. Thanks!
I had to make the choice about 6 months ago. I went to drive the FR-S and was left pretty disappointed. There was just no balls on the acceleration, I could barely tell it apart from any other compact car. It felt solid on the turns but nothing that made me fall in love with it. Made me feel weird like I was an oddball because every journalist was raving. I then drove the S2000 (AP1, never got to drive the AP2 but I hear it really doesn't feel that different) and the rest is history. The designed 15 year thing is nuts. I wonder how good the car would have been and how much more power they would have squeezed out of the engine with the tech they have now.
Great vid. Been wanting to find out the specs of your RPF1's tho and what tires and specs you used 👍
17x8 45 with 235 series RS3s. Good balance, but if you start going hard core track better to switch to a 17x9 35 or 17x9 40 if you can find it with 245 tires.
Can't wait for part 2. I was very close to purchasing an frs...until I drove one. The motor is truly horrible stock. These cars shouldn't be focused on the motor, but the frs is so bad that it distracts from what other attributes the car offers. I daily drove a h22a prelude for years and while the frs/brz motor and the h22 make similar figures on paper, on the street they couldn't be more different. The h22 pulls with authority and purpose from every rpm so much harder...and it revs higher....and it sounds better...Oh yeah, and it puts down about 30 more to the wheels than a stock frs/brz...I drove an s2000 and frs in the same week before finding a mr2 spyder for less than 4k that I picked up to hold me over until the ND miata comes out. I still have the urge to buy an s2000 everytime I see one. Incredible cars.
What are your thoughts on Crawfords BRZ? is it worth the money to get 500hp, or should I have thought about it a little harder and should have purchased a better sports car?
savagegeese is sincerely one of the best car journalist out there
i like both, but the honda miata looks amazing on the CR version
Love my 04 s2000, doesn't even come close to the frs/brz that I drove around for a bit as well, good review.
How is the oversteer and traction on your s2k, since it doesnt have trac. control
+Evan H I find it to be pretty linear, less snap oversteer than the AP1s but not as "refined" as the 06+, I find the 04-05 probably the 'best'.
Would you recommend a 05/06 as a first car?
+Evan H Any car can be a first car, depends how responsible you are as a human being.
+TofuProductionCinema What I'm trying to say is, how forgiving, easy to drive, and overall driving experience is the car for a teenager
Go forward a few years and Who'd have thought he would have start with one car and end up with the other.
Didn’t know that you and Jack go this far back.
There's a very good condition AP1 for sale not far from where I live, I was so tempted and you made me want to search for an AP2
Any plans for part2?
This week it will be released.
1:43 good call on the booty zoom.
How come he is sweating prefusely towards the end on the driving impression of the BRZ? no air-con?
brask310 Air con and microphones dont like each other.
Who thinks that gauge cluster is bad? I've never heard that before. I love it.
Would you recommend the s2000 for a first car? BTW, it's a 2005 or 2006
+Evan H '06 would be ok, because it has stability control and traction control.... '05... please join the S2000 facebook pages first, so we can take advantage of the partout when you crash it ;)
+Sean Reilly what a dumb ass comment.
+Diablo99V he's just being realistic
LMAO you guys are funny! AF! And you snapped with the Mexican music! I'm subscribed of life now lol 👌👏✌️💥😂😭👍
Favorite reviewer bar none
Who is Tim m.?
"when I touch the throttle, this is what happens" -> cable slop xD
not to rag on grandpa too much, I like the feel of cable more but the reality is that DBW can be just as fast and it's simply not for emissions sake.
Is that Jack the Silverback I see in the 86?
Also most pll don’t know that the S2000 is a front mid engine car meaning the engine is behind the front suspension
savagegeese who is Tim M. Did that crash actually result in a death?
love how they had to put a supercharger on the brz to make it a fair comparison.
Was the driver got killed or the passenger on the Honda S2000 after the driver lost control of the car ?
"fat fuck central" I busted out laughing alone and started tears down my face
the whole into is fire