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Your videos got me through my Leukemia. Gave me the hope that one day I’d be back to working in my shop making things. Just wanted to say thanks for all your guidance.
Nothing but positive thoughts!! I’m in the fight with stage 4 colon cancer and newly diagnosed with Leukemia. I agree that these videos are a great mental boost!!
14:38 yeah the issue with hazards is never about _if_ but _when_ . Hence the importance you demonstrate _how_ you deal with the occasion. Thanks for sharing and raising awareness.
I broke a brand new B&B spiral downcut 1/4 shank pattern bit the day after Christmas. Emailed and called with pictures and details and MJ took care of me. He let me use full cost credit to upgrade to a 1/2” upcut which was out of stock when I originally ordered. Great stuff
I've seen more than four years of your TH-cam work, This might be the most useful video you've ever done (from my perspective). Such a wonderful summary of a VERY complex and important subject. Thanks so much, Jonathan. (BTW... I use your superb router plane and Tamar's router jig pretty much every single day when I'm in my shop. You guys are awesome)
Really useful information as always JKM. I bought the router base you did with 3x3 and it's been super useful. I definitely have been running my router too fast, and (surprise!) had a few issues with burn marks in the corners of projects. Also, hats off for being super forthright and admitting when you made a mistake, so we can all learn something. We're all safer and better off as a community when we all see where we've had an oversight, and can then take the steps to correct it. Can't wait to see what you're coming out with this year. In addition to the router base, I also snagged your apron and the stop block you made for crosscut sleds, and they're both stellar and will last a very long time. Cheers man
Great video. I’m going to pay my guys to watch this. It’s VERY important the crew understands these fundamentals. You’re as good as your weakest teammate and I want my guys smart. Thank you for these great videos . .
"And you get all the downsides to an upcut bit and none of the upsides to the downcut portion..." 😵💫 😄 Great video on a topic I haven't seen covered before. Also fantastic that you included the details about the fire and improvemnts to try to prevent but also make it easier to address going forward. Keep being awesome!
I'm a Wood Turner / Cigar Box Guitar maker (190 axes to date). I have a commission for a custom Cigar Box look alike solid body telecaster. I've been reviewing loads of videos on plunge routing, and was a little confused until I saw this. Thank you so much, everything is now clear.
This was an excellent video! Truly explained so many things that went wrong for me the first time few times I used my router. When my father passed, I received all his tools, but he never did wood work. He just tinkered around the house and tried his best to fix everything. So I started on my own, and made mistake after mistake after mistake. I watched Tamara’s videos which led me to you. And your videos have been so helpful. I almost started a few fires in my old garage. Thankful it wasn’t worse. Thank you again for the videos and the lessons! 😊
Thanks for this dude, I was running some Sapele through a 5mm spiral bit on my router table and it worked so well BUT man it grabbed the piece and it moved about 5 inches in a hurry. I thought I needed the Speed to be as high as my router would go so I'll try it again with a slower speed. Appreciate this video very much.
I have always associated router speed with bit diameter. Both the 1617EVS and DCW600 manuals even state it. So, I've never even looked up the recommended speed for anything ½" or smaller. Sure enough, whiteside recommends 18000ish. Thank you for saving me the cost of ruining my bits.
It is so good to have a new video from you. Routers are the tool that most intimidates me, and every time you do a router video, I feel a little more inclined to use it. I had hip surgery a year ago and am just getting back to learning how to build. I can hardly wait to get real use out of the 90 degree tool for making sleds. ❤❤❤❤
JKM, Thank you for this video tutorial. I'm going to have to watch it multiple times to have everything sink in. The most important take-away for me is, slow your router speed down. I recently used my palm router with a compression bit to smooth an edge on a new router table top. These palm routers are capable of insane rpm's. It was by dumb luck that I decided to back off the speed dial to about half speed. It worked flawlessly and now, thanks to your video, I know why. Please keep these coming.
Jonathan, yet another masterclass on router bits! Had a fire recently too... an ember from deep countersink bit dropped though the thru-hole onto the vacuum table... The pull of the vacuum pump turned it from a spark into a fire. Of course, I didn't want to ruin the sheet that was mid-program, so it got a little touchy. I can't imagine getting an ember sucked into the dust collection. That had to be scary.
Great video 🙌 something I learned the other day, is that there are companies that buy old carbide bits as they are recycled to be used to make new bits. In Europe, Germany have a number of these companies 👌
JKM, your videos are very thorough and well explained. I never cared much for routers in the past other than round overs and maybe chamfers mainly because they scared me. Then I bought a CNC and had to learn all about router bits. Geez! There is a whole science to them. Anyway, great video and keep up the amazing work.
Very interesting. I’m no router expert but I have 7 now including the one in my table. That new dewalt shown here is as close to perfect as I can tell. I was never really sold on cordless routers until now. The new 18v Bosch palm router is amazing as well. Especially coupled with the plunge base.
I started a fire in a dust collector at a cabinet shop back in the 80s when I was just starting out when I was told to go rip some face frame material. No one had taught me I needed a rip blade and was using what was on the saw,probably a cross cut. I’ve also seen two fires in two different shops I worked at one day apart from staining rags. Luckily all three fires were contained. A bucket full of water for rags,using the right bit or blade for the task and keeping them sharp and clean. AND a good fire extinguisher.cheers.
I saw the email heading about a fire and immediately thought the worst. Glad it wasn't that bad. I just upgraded from my trusty Craftsman jobsite table saw to a Delta 36-725T2 and realized that before I can use it, I need to upgrade my electrical. Can't wait for spring to roll around to get that project started.
Up cut, down cut blah blah blah...that marking knife!!!! 😍 Great stuff. Been a furniture maker for 15 years and I HATE routers. Have like 12 of them and use them tons but it's the only tool that I'm afraid of every time. Great info here.
Not related but super cool. Love to see your products featured in the trade magazine Woodshop News. Congratulations! This crew here knows you work and are seeking perfection with your products. Be proud and keep “making”.
Mr. Jonathan, I would love to see you work with Mr. Ron Paulk. He recently worked with someone to sell a precut and ready to assemble version of his smart bench design. However from the consumer side it has been difficult to purchase due to shortages and long out of stock times. He also mentioned it was difficult for him initially to offer due to supply of ultralight plywood and a reliable manufacturer with a CNC. Given your experience with CNC work, flat packaged item shipping, your detailed online store front, excellent customer service, and your willingness to collaborate, it would be wonderful to see that joint effort. Thank you for your excellent educational content. I always learn something.
This is definitely falling into the category of safety-what-not-to-do's. I hope you're already planning your mid- to end-journey documenting your dust collection upgrades with those rivets, access doors, etc.
Great video. I bought a spiral flush trim bit and used in my cheap single speed router. The bit broke into three pieces, needless to say I replaced my table and router. Wish I would of seen this before
Im watching this channel about to embark on my first router project-open baffle loudspeakers. Have to rout a few circular holes and a funky shape or two I like channel owner’s name🤣 don’t think we’re related except maybe going back 4000 years to Aaron🤣
@@katzmosestools thanx! Should I get a Bosch colt 1.25 HP, or a DeWalt? I never cheap out on tools. I just ordered some blem PEC squares-cuz I do work in my apartment and squares seem totally essential. Maybe you have a good jig for circle cuts too?
Hey Jonathan, just a recommendation for the 2.25 HP DeWalt router, use the new DeWalt power stack or power pack XR batteries with it to get full power!
That would be pretty cool. Debating selling them for like 75% off because my definition of dull for production bits is probably everyone else’s barely used
While you can set the depth as you describe, my understanding was that you should normally lock the plunge at the full desired depth, then set the depth stop on the deepest turret position. Then you can unlock and back off to the shallower depths for early passes, and the final pass will be at precisely the desired depth. The approach you described limits you to only the turret depths.
Thank you for sharing the knowledge, sir. we all appreciate it, and you may 2025 be the best year for you and your team what should I run my trim router at with a dovetail bit in
I’m glad you’re breaking down the use of the differ types of bits, just starting and was going to get the “25 bit set” from Amazon but now I’ll see which ones I need and get I believe the upcut bit. I have a question if you could help with. My table saw can’t cut a 45 bevel and that’s the main cut I’ve been using for my builds. I want to get a chamfer but big enough to cut a 2X4 since the table saw can’t, not the full board but a smaller pieces which is too small for the table if it could cut, just because it’s too close to the blade. Is there a chamfer bit big enough to cut the 1 1/2” edge? The router I have is a Bosch 2 1/4hp. Really appreciate it!!
Yeah a couple spirals, a 1/8 and 1/4” roundover is about all you need to get started. Re your question: to cut a chamfer that big you’d need a bit so massive I wouldn’t run it on anything but a router table (or cnc I guess). You’d need a bit that was a minimum of 2.33 inches across which probably wouldn’t fit in many tools and need a ton of power/torque to spin. I’d probably look for a table saw upgrade or a safer way to make that cut
May I ask a question Jonothan? I was told by a tool technician that the slackness in a routers turrets will always result in a crooked trench, I guess if the turret lock is not engaged. Is this true? I briefly examined the half inch cordless Dewalt router in Australia and on trying to push heavily on one side at a time found that it had a lot of tilt in its plunge. May I ask what this sloppy plunge does with a plunge routers performance?
It’s funny you say we run the bits too fast. I learned after starting to order through precision bits I was running some of my bits too SLOW haha Lesson I guess? Manufactures have specs on everything. Look at them. Learn them. They will make your bits and lives better haha.
What are the plastic pieces at the base of all your router bits? And to clarify, the names “upcut” and “downcut” are referencing the direction the dust and chips will go from a handheld router and not a router table, correct? So using an upcut bit on a router table is going to pull material down through the table (pulling material towards the shank effectively).
Yeah but they’re still pulling the same way. An upcut cut is an upcut regardless which way it’s pointing. Plastic pieces are just the the packaging that nice router bits come in
@@katzmosestools oh interesting! So if the upcut bit is on a router table, its still going to spit the material up as it cuts it? If you can't tell I don't own a router table yet, so super appreciative of all the killer tips and info that I feel a lot of content creators overlook (the little details make the biggest difference some times). So glad the fire wasn't too damaging on the shop!
How about large carbon dioxide fire extinguishers with right-sized nozzles fitting tightly onto the access ports, so you can quickly displace oxygen from the whole tube? (considering it as an electrical fire, not wood, because of the fan motors and other power tools downhill from the pipe and you don’t want water, powder or foam to clean out from everything afterwards. In theory, using carbon monoxide monitors checking the air in the pipe could alert you to smouldering fires releasing CO gas (need to test the sensitivity of CO monitors and not getting clogged with sawdust in this usage). Normal particle-sensing smoke detectors will give false alarms from sawdust.
Not everyone knows how to run each router bit at the exact rpm and speed. If a novice was going to inadvertently get this wrong, would it be better to have the rpms a little slower or faster?
I buy straight bits because that's what's available locally, I fail to plan most things and don't want to wait for a shipment😂 it's more about availability that price.
Excellent video! Thank you so much for all the valuable information. I would hope that you use an open end collet wrench and not the common “water pump”/“Channellock”/tongue & groove” pliers as you held in your hands at 2:58 in the video to open/close the router collet. These incorrect use tools will leave nasty groove marks on the router collet. Use the correct tool for the for safety and performance issues. Thanks again!
Thank you my friend! I don’t know that you could convince me at a cheap stamped steel wrench (I’ve bent plenty trying to open a tight collet) is better than a properly sized pair of channel locks. I don’t mind a few scratches on the outside of my collet in exchange for not slamming my knuckles into the router base when those wrenches come loose or slip.
I understand the cheap stamped wrench issues and I agree with you 100%. Maybe the use of a fixed properly sized open wrench or adjustable wrench (aka “Crescent”) might be better because of its smooth flat surfaces that won’t tear up the collet. On routers that require 2 wrenches, you might to point out to your viewers the wrench “squeeze” method when using 2 wrenches to either tighten or loosen a router bit in a router collet. When on a collet, top wrench is at 7 o’clock position and bottom wrench at 5 o’clock position and squeeze wrenches to loosen the collet. To tighten the router collet, top wrench is at 5 o’clock position and bottom wrench at 7 o’clock position and squeeze wrenches together for the safest best way to tighten/loosen a router bit in its collet.
No, if it’s our store, it’s in my shop. Meaning if I sell it, I like it so much I use it. Or conversely, I would never sell you something that I haven’t tested and love using.
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Your videos got me through my Leukemia. Gave me the hope that one day I’d be back to working in my shop making things. Just wanted to say thanks for all your guidance.
Man that’s heavy brother! I’m glad you’re finding joy in what we do. It means so much to me. Sending all the positive vibes your way my friend.
Sending you a virtual hug, brother. Keep up the good fight!
Glad you are now in remission. Hopefully CR rather than PR.
❤️
Nothing but positive thoughts!! I’m in the fight with stage 4 colon cancer and newly diagnosed with Leukemia. I agree that these videos are a great mental boost!!
14:38 yeah the issue with hazards is never about _if_ but _when_ . Hence the importance you demonstrate _how_ you deal with the occasion. Thanks for sharing and raising awareness.
Yeah an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure or something like that ha
I broke a brand new B&B spiral downcut 1/4 shank pattern bit the day after Christmas. Emailed and called with pictures and details and MJ took care of me. He let me use full cost credit to upgrade to a 1/2” upcut which was out of stock when I originally ordered. Great stuff
I've seen more than four years of your TH-cam work, This might be the most useful video you've ever done (from my perspective). Such a wonderful summary of a VERY complex and important subject. Thanks so much, Jonathan. (BTW... I use your superb router plane and Tamar's router jig pretty much every single day when I'm in my shop. You guys are awesome)
Just so good to see you doing content again and, it's always relevant and real.
Bits and bits are incredible!
Really are
Really useful information as always JKM. I bought the router base you did with 3x3 and it's been super useful. I definitely have been running my router too fast, and (surprise!) had a few issues with burn marks in the corners of projects.
Also, hats off for being super forthright and admitting when you made a mistake, so we can all learn something. We're all safer and better off as a community when we all see where we've had an oversight, and can then take the steps to correct it. Can't wait to see what you're coming out with this year. In addition to the router base, I also snagged your apron and the stop block you made for crosscut sleds, and they're both stellar and will last a very long time. Cheers man
Jonathan the information is priceless. I love routing and learning from you. Thank you so much.
Very useful post! Thank you very much Jonathan and team!
Great info! I had questions about Downcut bits that I couldn’t find adequate answers to. You solved that problem with this video.
Thanks!
Good content. Clear and concise. Thanks.
Excellent video! Love you explanations.
Great video. I’m going to pay my guys to watch this. It’s VERY important the crew understands these fundamentals. You’re as good as your weakest teammate and I want my guys smart. Thank you for these great videos . .
Glad it's helpful. I've had some rough days and they were caused by someone's lack of router knowledge - gotta stay sharp and safe
@ I hope yall are ok in cali. Not sure if yall were effected but I think four eyes is from LA? I’m praying for yall. God speed
I’m about forty miles north or so. Positive vibes
"And you get all the downsides to an upcut bit and none of the upsides to the downcut portion..." 😵💫 😄
Great video on a topic I haven't seen covered before. Also fantastic that you included the details about the fire and improvemnts to try to prevent but also make it easier to address going forward. Keep being awesome!
Love that you got some value. We really try to make these videos thoughtful
Awesome video, Jonathan. I'll be back and watch it again. Thanks.
Appreciated my friend!
I'm a Wood Turner / Cigar Box Guitar maker (190 axes to date). I have a commission for a custom Cigar Box look alike solid body telecaster. I've been reviewing loads of videos on plunge routing, and was a little confused until I saw this. Thank you so much, everything is now clear.
Thanks for sharing great teaching videos. BTW- the shop apron is awesome!
Great video, glad you were able to catch the fire before it got any worse!
Very good video Jon. I learned a lot about router bits that I was not aware of!
Thank you my friend
Thank you Jonathan, that was a really helpful video! I've bought some spiral bits from your shop and now I know how to get the most out of them.
Awesome! They're good bits, make sure you don't run them too fast!
Thank you Jonathan. These videos are so helpful and greatly appreciated.
You're very welcome!
This was an excellent video! Truly explained so many things that went wrong for me the first time few times I used my router. When my father passed, I received all his tools, but he never did wood work. He just tinkered around the house and tried his best to fix everything. So I started on my own, and made mistake after mistake after mistake. I watched Tamara’s videos which led me to you. And your videos have been so helpful. I almost started a few fires in my old garage. Thankful it wasn’t worse.
Thank you again for the videos and the lessons! 😊
Enjoy the journey and thank you my friend!
Thanks for this dude, I was running some Sapele through a 5mm spiral bit on my router table and it worked so well BUT man it grabbed the piece and it moved about 5 inches in a hurry.
I thought I needed the Speed to be as high as my router would go so I'll try it again with a slower speed.
Appreciate this video very much.
I also always enjoy the fact that you go full nerd on your videos. A lot of nuanced explanations about the how and the why of the various techniques.
I love to nerd out 😜
What a great and informative video. Thanks Jonathan
I have always associated router speed with bit diameter. Both the 1617EVS and DCW600 manuals even state it. So, I've never even looked up the recommended speed for anything ½" or smaller. Sure enough, whiteside recommends 18000ish. Thank you for saving me the cost of ruining my bits.
I know right, this industry is full of terrible advice. Definitely check with the bit manufacturer every time
Thanks Jonathan! Happy New Year!! May you have a Wonderful Successful Year...
You too, my friend! Let's make it a great one!
Lots of great information, as always.
It is so good to have a new video from you. Routers are the tool that most intimidates me, and every time you do a router video, I feel a little more inclined to use it. I had hip surgery a year ago and am just getting back to learning how to build. I can hardly wait to get real use out of the 90 degree tool for making sleds. ❤❤❤❤
Get better my friend. We need you in the shop
Thanks as always for comprehensively educational videos. Quality of videos and examples are truly appreciated.
You’re very welcome my friend
JKM, Thank you for this video tutorial. I'm going to have to watch it multiple times to have everything sink in. The most important take-away for me is, slow your router speed down. I recently used my palm router with a compression bit to smooth an edge on a new router table top. These palm routers are capable of insane rpm's. It was by dumb luck that I decided to back off the speed dial to about half speed. It worked flawlessly and now, thanks to your video, I know why. Please keep these coming.
Keeping this for future reference, thanks!
Thank you for the information on usage and safety of spiral bits. Taking notes
My guy!
Great information Jonathan! Thanks much for the indepth review.
I’m really trying to make these videos as thorough and valuable as possible.
Good stuff, Mr. KM. Thank you for sharing.
I'm glad you found it helpful!
Jonathan, yet another masterclass on router bits! Had a fire recently too... an ember from deep countersink bit dropped though the thru-hole onto the vacuum table... The pull of the vacuum pump turned it from a spark into a fire. Of course, I didn't want to ruin the sheet that was mid-program, so it got a little touchy. I can't imagine getting an ember sucked into the dust collection. That had to be scary.
Yeah it was an hour of fighting every urge I had to sell the fire department. I really didn’t want to have them get water all over my machines though
THANKS FOR THE GREAT VIDEO.
Great video. Very clear and informative. Thank you.
Glad you found it helpful!
Great video 🙌 something I learned the other day, is that there are companies that buy old carbide bits as they are recycled to be used to make new bits. In Europe, Germany have a number of these companies 👌
I enjoyed that. Thank you for sharing 🌞
JKM, your videos are very thorough and well explained. I never cared much for routers in the past other than round overs and maybe chamfers mainly because they scared me. Then I bought a CNC and had to learn all about router bits. Geez! There is a whole science to them. Anyway, great video and keep up the amazing work.
I appreciate you my guy!
Very interesting. I’m no router expert but I have 7 now including the one in my table. That new dewalt shown here is as close to perfect as I can tell. I was never really sold on cordless routers until now. The new 18v Bosch palm router is amazing as well. Especially coupled with the plunge base.
I don’t buy anything with cords anymore. They’re such a beast
@ hahaha, I’m buying a second one. The other one is dedicated to the circle jig
I started a fire in a dust collector at a cabinet shop back in the 80s when I was just starting out when I was told to go rip some face frame material. No one had taught me I needed a rip blade and was using what was on the saw,probably a cross cut. I’ve also seen two fires in two different shops I worked at one day apart from staining rags. Luckily all three fires were contained. A bucket full of water for rags,using the right bit or blade for the task and keeping them sharp and clean. AND a good fire extinguisher.cheers.
Yeah man, it can happen so fast, always be ready
Great info brother.
Thanks my friend!
I saw the email heading about a fire and immediately thought the worst. Glad it wasn't that bad.
I just upgraded from my trusty Craftsman jobsite table saw to a Delta 36-725T2 and realized that before I can use it, I need to upgrade my electrical. Can't wait for spring to roll around to get that project started.
Yeah that’s a good upgrade. Power is important! I have a couple videos on 220/240v outlets
Up cut, down cut blah blah blah...that marking knife!!!! 😍
Great stuff. Been a furniture maker for 15 years and I HATE routers. Have like 12 of them and use them tons but it's the only tool that I'm afraid of every time. Great info here.
I appreciate you my friend
Another excellent video.
I appreciate that
Not related but super cool. Love to see your products featured in the trade magazine Woodshop News. Congratulations! This crew here knows you work and are seeking perfection with your products. Be proud and keep “making”.
I really appreciate it my friend! Do you have a link?
Mr. Jonathan, I would love to see you work with Mr. Ron Paulk. He recently worked with someone to sell a precut and ready to assemble version of his smart bench design. However from the consumer side it has been difficult to purchase due to shortages and long out of stock times. He also mentioned it was difficult for him initially to offer due to supply of ultralight plywood and a reliable manufacturer with a CNC.
Given your experience with CNC work, flat packaged item shipping, your detailed online store front, excellent customer service, and your willingness to collaborate, it would be wonderful to see that joint effort.
Thank you for your excellent educational content. I always learn something.
I’d love to work with Ron. I’ll reach out to
I post info like bits speeds, and such in my shop so it reminds me.
Excellent video sir.
Thank you my friend!
Also, very glad to hear that your shop fire was mitigated and nothing major happened.
Awesome video/info...thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is definitely falling into the category of safety-what-not-to-do's. I hope you're already planning your mid- to end-journey documenting your dust collection upgrades with those rivets, access doors, etc.
Well there goes my theory of only needing the duel up and down cut bit...."Honey, I gotta buy some more router bits !!!"
Tell her Jonathan Katz-Moses says you’re approved 🤣
That new Dewalt 1/2 inch Router is a beast. Too much coin for a weekend warrior like me but kitchen fitters etc must be salivating.
It’s pretty incredible
Btw Iove you guys products man that dovetail alignment bored is the shit! So is the jig
Thank you so much!
What's that marking knife at 17:00, looks super practical!
Thanks for the upload
My pleasure!
Nice.
Thanks great video
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. I bought a spiral flush trim bit and used in my cheap single speed router. The bit broke into three pieces, needless to say I replaced my table and router. Wish I would of seen this before
Yeah that’s a tough lesson but I’m glad you learned it without too much heartache
Im watching this channel about to embark on my first router project-open baffle loudspeakers. Have to rout a few circular holes and a funky shape or two
I like channel owner’s name🤣 don’t think we’re related except maybe going back 4000 years to Aaron🤣
Haha you got this
@@katzmosestools thanx! Should I get a Bosch colt 1.25 HP, or a DeWalt? I never cheap out on tools. I just ordered some blem PEC squares-cuz I do work in my apartment and squares seem totally essential. Maybe you have a good jig for circle cuts too?
Dewalt cheers
thank you
You're welcome my friend
Hey Jonathan, just a recommendation for the 2.25 HP DeWalt router, use the new DeWalt power stack or power pack XR batteries with it to get full power!
I heard that. Definitely going to upgrade!
Any thoughts on those router bits that use carbide inserts like helical cutter heads?
Can all those bits be forge welded into marking knifes?
That would be pretty cool. Debating selling them for like 75% off because my definition of dull for production bits is probably everyone else’s barely used
@katzmosestools i would definitely buy a bunch of the at that price
While you can set the depth as you describe, my understanding was that you should normally lock the plunge at the full desired depth, then set the depth stop on the deepest turret position. Then you can unlock and back off to the shallower depths for early passes, and the final pass will be at precisely the desired depth. The approach you described limits you to only the turret depths.
@8:01 What marking knife is that? Is that a folding marking knife, because I've been looking for one of those.
ive never seen that new bigger dewalt cordless router before. pretty cool. I'm assuming it's compatible with a 1/2 collet too?
Yep! It’s all the same with the standard routers. It’s a beast
Where is the speed chart pdf link shown at 4:27?
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hTRfX_Bw-Gq-MMh_k1sy9G4OdURxKG1kPgQXqQQ6bas/edit
1-7 for router speed. Why don’t they use the actual RPM’s as the numbers? Great vid. Just received as a gift my KM crosscut sled stop!
Right that would actually be smart haha
Long time no see, tks
It’s good to be back, I’ve been busy!
Thank you for sharing the knowledge, sir. we all appreciate it, and you may 2025 be the best year for you and your team what should I run my trim router at with a dovetail bit in
You’ll want to check your bit manufacturer’s recommendations. Thanks so much my friend!!!
I’m glad you’re breaking down the use of the differ types of bits, just starting and was going to get the “25 bit set” from Amazon but now I’ll see which ones I need and get I believe the upcut bit. I have a question if you could help with. My table saw can’t cut a 45 bevel and that’s the main cut I’ve been using for my builds. I want to get a chamfer but big enough to cut a 2X4 since the table saw can’t, not the full board but a smaller pieces which is too small for the table if it could cut, just because it’s too close to the blade. Is there a chamfer bit big enough to cut the 1 1/2” edge? The router I have is a Bosch 2 1/4hp. Really appreciate it!!
Yeah a couple spirals, a 1/8 and 1/4” roundover is about all you need to get started. Re your question: to cut a chamfer that big you’d need a bit so massive I wouldn’t run it on anything but a router table (or cnc I guess). You’d need a bit that was a minimum of 2.33 inches across which probably wouldn’t fit in many tools and need a ton of power/torque to spin. I’d probably look for a table saw upgrade or a safer way to make that cut
@ I’ll wait for the next table saw then, Thanks!!
Does the choice for a upcut or downcut bit change for a handheld router vs a router table? Thanks!
No sir
Much appreciation for the swift response ❤
Where can I get that base for the trim router Johnathan? And it's good to see ya man..
Over at kmtools.com also lined in the pinned comment and description.
Re; screw length. Are you saying bigger is not better? BTW, do you recycle the router bits? Thanks for the content.
Great vid. The sketchiest issue I’ve had is a radius cut with template onto end grain big kickback and tear out. Any ideas what bit to use? Thanks!
I have a whole video on exactly this. You really want that 3/4 in double gearing compression bit from bits and bits
Thanks!
It’s called avoiding router kickback or something like that
Thanks, keep up the great content and products
May I ask a question Jonothan? I was told by a tool technician that the slackness in a routers turrets will always result in a crooked trench, I guess if the turret lock is not engaged. Is this true? I briefly examined the half inch cordless Dewalt router in Australia and on trying to push heavily on one side at a time found that it had a lot of tilt in its plunge. May I ask what this sloppy plunge does with a plunge routers performance?
It’s funny you say we run the bits too fast. I learned after starting to order through precision bits I was running some of my bits too SLOW haha
Lesson I guess? Manufactures have specs on everything. Look at them. Learn them. They will make your bits and lives better haha.
That is so true! The manufacturer knows best!
Container of plywood, didn’t know plywood came in containers haha wild
How do you like the Dewalt DCW620B Router?
Love that thing
If I have a dealt router, can I purchase a plug base for it?
Dewalt
Yes absolutely
What are the plastic pieces at the base of all your router bits?
And to clarify, the names “upcut” and “downcut” are referencing the direction the dust and chips will go from a handheld router and not a router table, correct? So using an upcut bit on a router table is going to pull material down through the table (pulling material towards the shank effectively).
Yeah but they’re still pulling the same way. An upcut cut is an upcut regardless which way it’s pointing. Plastic pieces are just the the packaging that nice router bits come in
@@katzmosestools oh interesting! So if the upcut bit is on a router table, its still going to spit the material up as it cuts it? If you can't tell I don't own a router table yet, so super appreciative of all the killer tips and info that I feel a lot of content creators overlook (the little details make the biggest difference some times). So glad the fire wasn't too damaging on the shop!
God dammit, i’ll subscribe.. just too educational to not to
Just a heads up, your Spanish title translation is still the placeholder text!
Haha where?
It's just the title of the video, it shows for me (phone is in Spanish) as "Consejos de SpiralBitsV2mp4"
Weird. Not sure why because I changed the English version. Thanks my friend
How about large carbon dioxide fire extinguishers with right-sized nozzles fitting tightly onto the access ports, so you can quickly displace oxygen from the whole tube? (considering it as an electrical fire, not wood, because of the fan motors and other power tools downhill from the pipe and you don’t want water, powder or foam to clean out from everything afterwards.
In theory, using carbon monoxide monitors checking the air in the pipe could alert you to smouldering fires releasing CO gas (need to test the sensitivity of CO monitors and not getting clogged with sawdust in this usage).
Normal particle-sensing smoke detectors will give false alarms from sawdust.
Not everyone knows how to run each router bit at the exact rpm and speed. If a novice was going to inadvertently get this wrong, would it be better to have the rpms a little slower or faster?
Slower but all you need to do is look up the manufacturer’s suggested feeds and speeds. Slower RPM means you can move the router slower fyi
What's upcut bit?
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Miss the days you used to build furniture
Ha you and me both but man do I love creating new tools and innovative takes on old tools. Has become such a passion and deep joy for me.
@ youre right.
I buy straight bits because that's what's available locally, I fail to plan most things and don't want to wait for a shipment😂 it's more about availability that price.
My router doesn’t have any speed adjustment.
Excellent video! Thank you so much for all the valuable information. I would hope that you use an open end collet wrench and not the common “water pump”/“Channellock”/tongue & groove” pliers as you held in your hands at 2:58 in the video to open/close the router collet. These incorrect use tools will leave nasty groove marks on the router collet. Use the correct tool for the for safety and performance issues. Thanks again!
Thank you my friend! I don’t know that you could convince me at a cheap stamped steel wrench (I’ve bent plenty trying to open a tight collet) is better than a properly sized pair of channel locks. I don’t mind a few scratches on the outside of my collet in exchange for not slamming my knuckles into the router base when those wrenches come loose or slip.
I understand the cheap stamped wrench issues and I agree with you 100%. Maybe the use of a fixed properly sized open wrench or adjustable wrench (aka “Crescent”) might be better because of its smooth flat surfaces that won’t tear up the collet. On routers that require 2 wrenches, you might to point out to your viewers the wrench “squeeze” method when using 2 wrenches to either tighten or loosen a router bit in a router collet. When on a collet, top wrench is at 7 o’clock position and bottom wrench at 5 o’clock position and squeeze wrenches to loosen the collet. To tighten the router collet, top wrench is at 5 o’clock position and bottom wrench at 7 o’clock position and squeeze wrenches together for the safest best way to tighten/loosen a router bit in its collet.
Maybe we won’t start a fire using our bits wrong now thanks John
My guy
Dangit... JKM shop started the Cali fires didn't it?
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Great video,thank you
Thank you too!
Way to make lemonade out of lemons.
Yeah a scary situation but always good to learn from mistakes
Messed up your tag line at the end. Think you meant to say, if it’s in your shop, it’s in your shop…
No, if it’s our store, it’s in my shop. Meaning if I sell it, I like it so much I use it. Or conversely, I would never sell you something that I haven’t tested and love using.
@ dunno what to tell you, I listen to @offthecut weekly. I like the way they say it better 😂😂
@ I’m just giving you guys a hard time, love what you do. Keep up the good work!
🤣🤣 fair