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I grew up wresting and highly recommend it if there is a program in school. but if one wants to learn self defense judo is the way to go.
Agreed!💮
Judo doesn't practice self defense.... and no you don't hit people with planets. You don't practice against punches, you don't practice against people without a gi. Honestly, it's easy to just tackle someone anyways. Yes I have a blackbelt in judo and in jiu-jitsu and several years of wrestling. 99% of judokas would be shell shocked getting punched and would lose 75% of their techniques without a gi.
@@doubleb222able I tend to agree with you . If I had only one style for actual combat , it wouldn't be Judo and definitely not BJJ .
@Sean Tierney I would agree if you are talking about "original judo " as Jigoro Kano intended where it is essentially traditional ju jutsu (jiu jitsu) not sport focused kodokhan . Modern Jiu-jitsu (refuse to call it BJJ because well it doesn't make sense) would be my answer if you approach it from Gracie Combatives or JJGF Rickson Gracie's Self Defense Unit (SDU) . Not ibjjf or other sport focused stuff
100%
Wrestling teaches aggression, and ability to ride and stay on top. Judo gives you the reaps and sweeps that are more practical in self defense than risking double legs and hip throws that can give your opponent top position if you fail. Jiujitsu excels in escapes and submissions. Over reliance on guard is a weakness. Guard is a great way to get your head kicked in in a street fight.
Rod L: Yes that’s true you can’t rely on guard too much keep your head kicked in…
But it’s also true did if you’re in a situation where you have no choice but being on the bottom and your credit card you can save your ass three times let alone rate prevention
Sorry for the misspellings rape prevention
Definitely don’t offer the guy credit card that won’t work in a fight probably🤣😅😊
Judo teaches timing too
There is one type of wrestling that teaches BOTH both agression and submission. That is catch wrestling. Wish there were more catch wrestling programs.
I found all three are helpful to make a well-rounded grappler. Wrestling for basics, judo for takedowns, BJJ for the ground. I started wrestling, went to judo, and now learning BJJ.
Good path
Judo for “Exotic Takedowns” and throws
Wrestling for athleticism and aggression
I have the same path, wrestled in highschool, started judo at the end of my college career and later started cross training with bjj. Though with my wrestling style I focused more on throws. I did not like to shoot at all, so judo became a natural path for me. The BJJ helps me tie it all together and gives me something I can do when I'm old and beat up and can't take too many falls anymore.
That's sounds like the most natural, organic and logical progression.
Judo is best. BJJ is a wonderful sport, and great tool, but teaches bad self defense habits. Add it to a strong judo foundation later. Wrestling is great, but most of what it has over Judo can be learned by simply sparring with wrestlers as a judoka, as wrestlers are easy to come by. Judo ages with you better as well, youth is very fleeting.
Great point
i agree with you on this. bjj is so popular but horrible habits for self defense
i agree with this. so many people dont realize. popular isnt always "correct" esp if it develops bad habits.
Judo saved my life when a car hit me while I was on my motorbike. A witness told me that I rolled over the car and landed on my feet. I didn't remember anything since it happens so fast. I was just shocked but no physical injury.
I started at age 4 and done do age 10. Did another year on my 17th year.
It also helped me a lot in fights against others children which used to mock me because of my red hair. I was able to make them submit.
Moral of the story : if you have a kid, guys make him learn judo please !
Thank you very much for sharing
Very good discussion. I started my sons in traditional karate, shito ryu, and judo first. They transitioned over to bjj which had a class on opposite days of our judo. They started wrestling in middle school. Having followed this regime I noticed a very good balancing in their athleticism and ability to prosper not only in each discipline but in character. Being in elementary school at this time of their lives I seen a big difference in my boys confidence and respect for their elders.
Thank you and your guest for sharing,
Namaste
"The greatest enemy of a good plan, is the dream of a perfect plan"
More often than not, taking whatever is available to you within your area is the best place to start. Once you have built basic foundations in the sport centric versions of BJJ, wrestling, or judo, then you can expand upon it by learning the more practical combative (i.e. street/battlefield) aspects.
An option to that end that is sometimes overlooked is forming up small practice/training groups with like minded people in your gym/dojo to cover things that aren't being taught and/or to get quality training partners from other gyms/dojos for the purposes of crosstraining. As an example; I'm a big fan of Catch wrestling & old school (pre-ww2) style Judo however there are VERY few places available to train in either "catch" or defense oriented Judo, so I had to think outside the box in order to continue the journey of learning the proper application of those techniques... which lead to setting up mini-training/seminar groups.
You can do the same with striking arts as well, like learning how to apply old school techniques of BKB, Jujitsu/Judo Atemi-Waza, and Muay Thai
Having your own personal blended style of striking & grappling is more advantageous in my opinion than having a strict ridged adherence to what is taught at the dojo/gym.
[ Just my .02 cents ]
Wisely said. In fitness culture, the gym thats nearby is the gym thats best for u, same for the wife thats nearby - u typically dont have one in another city.
I think sports w good conditioning are key for starting, and i think judokas and wrestlers tend to have better conditioning, though a lot also depends on your gym and your body type.
I feel judo is an amazing grabbling art to start the mma journey. Judo teaches explosiveness, balance, Momentum, break falling, throws, and ground game. A person with judo knowledge can easily transfer and understand wrestling and bjj . Also, Judo is great for self-defense.
The stance doesn't translate at all, the ground game in Judo is light years behind BJJ. All the Judoka with good ground games have been cross training BJJ
@@pcprinciple3774 a lot of judo schools have some bjj practitioners and this will atleast teach some submission defence
@@user-hb7rm8qf1x a lot of judo schools have an extreme arrogance towards BJJ and will simply ignore what the BJJ practitioner does to them
@@pcprinciple3774 i train at a jiu jitsu gym and a judo gym lol
@@pcprinciple3774 two different gyms
Wrestling has the advantage and disadvantage being in schools. Advantages: free. Disadvantage: fewer and fewer schools offer the sport, and coaching / gyms are hard to find for adults.
I was lucky to have gone to a high school that had a Judo program. Of course, that was decades ago.
Wrestling needs a veteran program
@@Chadi It's just really hard to market "wrestling for fun" to adults without it sounding really weird.
Also, I can totally relate to aging out of Judo. Judo after 40 is just not a great idea, at least with hard randori.
Wishing there were more catch wrestling programs. Since freestyle wrestling CAME from catch wrestling. It had both grappling AND submission.
Hi Chadi, that was a really insightful conversation. I was wondering if you could do a deeper breakdown/analysis between the three styles of wrestling mentioned at 7:20 (Greco-Roman, folkstyle and freestyle) and see how they compare to Judo. Peace!
Sure
Great stuff! This type of analysis is what martial artists need to do. We are better off finding out what we have in common so we can see where we came from and where we are going.
Going to start my kids in Judo most likely once things open up. I believe there is also an "age out" in TKD as well based on how sporty it is and how many restrictions it has. After a good bunch of studying older manuals I came to this conclusion and there are simply minimal adult rec/self defense schools around. Sportification is great for the public eye but bad for efficacy.
Awesome to know, good luck
Did Judo when I was 9 and took up Freestyle Wrestling at a Wrestling School nearby. I love having both as my arsenal; as well as Sambo. Although I would like to explore other styles of Wrestling like Greco-Roman and Folkstyle… Currently new to BJJ though.
Great breakdown by Jflo he is one of the few that was very high level competitor at all three disciplines
Great points and breakdown! Thanks👍💮
Thank you Diane
Thank you both for your time I injoy watching this and so did my 9 year old son
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Thank You Chadi -> Liked , Subscribed and always *SHARED* with friends and contacts .
I'm so happy and grateful
You got to interview J-flo? If anyone would be a perfect opinion on this topic it is him. Great work as always Chadi, been lurking but finally subbed
Thank you very much
I did Folk(High School) Wrestling. It is very good for Self-Defense.
This is a good topic, thank you for sharing 😊.
Thank you
You are a very distinguished and have a distinguished view of martial arts. Thank you for all this distinguished and valuable information. You are considered one of the few who possess such experiences and skills.
Thank you very much, it means a lot to me
This is a great topic and question!
Thank you
Became a patreon just to hear the full thing. Keep it up Chadi! Would be curious to hear how does Judo translate into wrestling freestyle/folstyle.
Thank you Ananda, I really appreciate it, Jason Morris is an example of how Judo can translate well to wrestling.
Is there more of this conversation? If so where or when do you plan to release it? Justin is a great representative of the sport of judo. He is spot on on this from beginning to end. Thanks for this. Again another great video Chadi.
The full talk is on Patreon (link in bio) and I'll be uploading clips in the future
I’d say wrestling is the best to start with. It teaches you aggression, to never give up, and teaches you good positioning and control . Not to mention wrestlers are also very fast, athletic, and explosive as well. It’s a great foundation to build your judo / bjj off of . Plus wrestling (at least where I’m from) is a high school and college sport, so it’s free for people to sign up for , rather than having to pay monthly like judo or bjj club.
Only works in the usa. My country holland doesnt even have sport in schools, and wrestling is extremely unpopular here while judo is the most popular sport here
Thanks for this video, god bless you, and also, which one should i do first? Im a complete noob in grappling and i want to find the balance between my striking and grappling, thanks for reading and god bless you
GREAT INTERVIEW !
Thank you
outstanding and objective analysis.
Justin mastered the three, he has the best insight on the matter
Awesome video. I'm learning Combat Sambo, Judo, Wrestling and BJJ (with more emphasis on Sambo/Judo and less on BJJ) as an adult (after spending my youth on striking arts), and I'm looking to go back and forth between Wrestling and Judo in the near future.
My goal is much more MMA focused, so I'm not worried about slow promotions or sport-specific competitions.
I really love grappling now, especially the throwing and clinching game of Sambo/Judo and Wrestling.
Another great video.
I (finally)found a dojo by my home that works with my work schedule and it is close to home.
I bought a judo gi and was going to start just before the COVID outbreak. Now they have gotten back to having classes again. They have Judo and BJJ and have just added wrestling classes as well. This video has encouraged me to really get excited about getting started in martial arts again,...even being a bit older.
Enjoy the journey bro, we still having closed due to covid-19.
Best of luck on your journey
@@Chadi Many thanks: for the encouragement and all the videos for inspiration. 🥋
Chadi, the reason why fundamentally Judo is better to learn, besides the respect and all that, I mean on pure technical issue on what is hardest to learn and develop. And if you don’t learn it, it so exteremly hard to learn as an adult is hands down the sway, the ability to feel the off balance of the opponent and strike. That ability is just so hard to learn as an adult. Wrestling nor BJJ teaches it because it is hard to teach and very counter intuitive to your body, and takes hours of practice to understand it. And if you don’t learn it, you literally know about only 60% of actual grappling. The rest of it is in the sway, without knowing that sway, your basically handicapping yourself to the philosophy of all grappling for that sway is not only in standup but in the ground game. Standup is way harder to learn it because you have no base.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I would also like to add that Judo is generally more fun for (young) kids.
Great insight
My path was a very long journey from Karate, Taekwondo, Krav Maga, BJJ, Wrestling (Greco and Freestyle), MMA,
Now for me i can say the basic is wrestling paired with bjj and striking
My personal style is Greco Roman Wrestling paired with bjj and a more karate like striking method
I've seen a lot of the comments and I agree that wrestling and Judo aren't as friendly in terms of older age and longevity. But I'm wondering, with Judo, if an older student could focus on Sutemi Waza for the standing portion.
Major advantage to wrestling (at least in New Jersey in the US) is the abundance of wrestling clubs and tournaments every weekend. (At least before the gov shut everything down). It’s all about mat time.
That's good for kids
Great video bruv!!! JUDO #1
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wrestling after judo though ideally this would involve your high school offering it since many high-level wrestlers started in high school.
I hate that they turned these self defense arts into sports. They are all watered down versions of themselves
For me the duo, Judo and BJJ for self defense and combat sport. Wrestling also good for maintaining position and control weight in poisition.
Good point
If I could do everything over again then I'd start training wrestling around 5 years old through high school. I feel like you'll build a better fundamental base for future arts, all though it does lack the submissions. I'd pick up Judo around 10-12 years old. I think both wrestling and Judo are more demanding on your body then BJJ and way easier to learn while your young. After getting my back belt and graduating high school then I'd probably transition to BJJ for the rest of my life... I guess hindsides 2020 🤷🏻♂️
Lol I guess it also doesn't really help that there were no wrestling or Judo programs anywhere near me in East Texas as a kid. The only things around were Taekwondo, Karate, Boxing, and MMA.... Thankfully my parents got me into the 2 most useful ones out of the 4 options (boxing and mma)
While I love all 3 I started with BJJ then started wrestling next and Judo lastly. I'd say the best base to start is wrestling
Any thoughts on Sambo/ Combat Sambo as an alternative to BJJ or Wrestling? I know it's not as prominent on the American scene, but if one could manage to find a club, would it be a good idea?
It would be a great idea yes
I thought so as well. I am currently getting into Judo as it would complement my Enshin Karate, mainly since the art uses Judo techniques for its throwing techniques. I found a Judo school that focuses on newaza. Suffice to say I am excited for my judo journey and gladly getting into Sambo a little down the line.
Merci beaucoup très intéressant
De rien
I would learn judo first then wrestling and bjj last
Excellent . BJJ is last on my list . It's one on one and not oriented for actual street fighting with more than one opponent . Judo , Jiu Jitsu and hardcore boxing with no rules . All the best .
@@QuantumMechanic_88 I agree boxing, judo and bjj
@@QuantumMechanic_88 what you doing now???
@@QuantumMechanic_88 any grappling art is focused on more than one opponent, and thinking that judo always gonna make someone knock out is not have any experience in street
@@marcelodiaz5006 Grappling / wrestling / Judo / BJJ etc. .. by their very nature are One on One .
Which is most translatable to a street fight? I mean the of the 3 wrestling subcategories
Start with Jiu-jitsu and now im doing judô too
Must admit coming from a Judo base too, yeah the lack of respect in the arts today is well pretty bad... Iv gotten a little hot under the collar in comments sections of video's because of this. It's frustrating to see given how stunted it is, I do believe this is a community that can do better if it wants too.
I've been there
I'd say for children go judo/wrestling > BJJ but for adults I'd go BJJ > judo/wrestling. Judo/wrestling teach falling, throwing techniques, pinning techniques and escapes, balance, build fitness/strength and are generally well supported for juniors in schools etc. For adult beginners BJJ is closer to ground and involves less falling so has less injury risk, is less kinetically dynamic for unfit/inexperienced adults, teaches submissions which adults are more mature to understand than children and is generally better supported for adult beginners vs Judo/Wrestling. BJJ is good to build strength and accustom adults to grappling who can then go into standing work. Then as you deline athletically, I'd encourage BJJ/newaza focus as far less damaging on the body of older people.
100% agree!!!
Justin knows his stuff
Judo is definitely a better base plus it actually helped me with my hook punches because I got used to throwing punches with hip rotation
Yes jujitsu is ideal sport 4 longevity o player so true ... no wrestling gym would accept me id fail the tryout... but judo n jujitsu got a place on mat 4 old timers
Indeed
Having started with jujitsu then doing judo I feel I should of started with judo the reason why is bjj I just was flooded with information and moves but judo I picked up much faster and I was able to use my opponents weight against them easier in bjj because judo
I started off with bjj first then judo but if I had to start over knowing what I know now I would’ve reversed the order of which art to start.
Judo it’s almost as hard work is wrestling I’m guessing but teaches you awareness and manners and patience potentially love for yourself and others on a level that the others very well may not if you’re in a good judo school. And even though I’ve done jujitsu my whole life which is really judo parts of it. I still know this to be true and isn’t this the most important thing to teach kids so for that reason alone it’s probably good to start with Judo
But it really depends on the school it really depends on the teacher
Great point
Yes of course timing judo that makes sense
Hello Chadi . I want to ask you, does judo or wrestling require very high muscle strength? If yes. What are the most important parts of the body that I should focus on? I hope for an answer
All your body core legs back neck arms
Mostly Legs
@@lastreetobserve8611 Correct .
from my experience, wrestling requires more strength than Judo. since we don't do a lot of pushing, I would say focusing on the core, back, forearms and legs is best (always go for compound movements)
@@joatanpereira4272 squat deadlift lunges pull ups rope climbs are insane for arm drag and sprints
Start with Judo, hands down.
Hardest learning curve.
As a wrestler who practiced with judo guys and then moved to jujitsu.....
1. Judo as a child for the discipline and master structure, seams good to help mold a young mind with self control and humbleness
2. Wrestling in Jr high and high-school will make someone as tough as it gets physically and mentally
3. Then Jujitsu after wrestling is over to transition to the adult version of engaging in physical combative sports
Though I am biased, this seams like the best route for a person to develop themselves.... not just to be an MMA fighter but to get the most out of themselves
Made this list before hearing him talk about it... he pretty much went same route but focused on the art of judo more than the discipline. Great convo
Honestly nobody should focus that much on grappling for self defense, you just need 1, and that 1 is Judo, Judo teaches you to throw the earth at your opponent, and it has submissions/ground game on the same level as BJJ, since of course BJJ came from judo, Judo is all you *need* for self defense grappling, going for wrestling or BJJ or heck multiple grappling arts for self defense is a person choice and not a *mandatory* action if you get what I mean
did justin compete iujitsu competition i agree with justin about the mix of greco and folkstyle he probaly should have done more judoeque in his wrestling matches
I live in Brazil, so I'm fortunate in a sense for it's very easy to find s BJJ academy with pretty good instructors and partners, but I ventured in Judo before BJJ and as I remember, at least here, in the every day context, it's very watered down. It gets very competitive if you get into competition levels, but for the regular folk that only wants to train for health and self defense, I think it's not a good choice. Training partners are very sensitive, often times in their teenage years, instructors are very cautious too... I didn't like, it's a combat sport before anything, some level of struggle and difficult is a must! As far as wrestling goes, it's almost inexistent here. If I could, I would have picked wrestling when I was younger, I was always fascinated by it and would love to train/have trained it in my teens years. So, with that said, in my context: as judo is watered down, wrestling inexistent and BJJ easy to find in a very technical and competitive level, the pick is obvious: BJJ.
Edit: Brazil still has a long way to go in sub/no-gi. It's still hard to find good and structured classes. If that was available, I would definitely go with Submission/No-Gi BJJ.
So: Submission > BJJ > Judo > Wrestling (impossible to find)
I'd start kids with Judo personally
@@Chadi it's actually very common here. most private schools offer judo for boys and ballet for girls around 4 or 5 yo. It's the first phys ed. After some time, other sports are introduced, specially soccer. Phys Ed continues as an obligation, but they can still train judo/ballet/soccer after, if they want. I had a fried that competed with the female national team in Judo and we started together. She kept doing, we all stopped.
Bruno Soarez Rodriguez. That’s a good idea honestly. Judo teaches breakfalls, so when kids do future sports, they’re less likely to get hurt.
I would say that you should do whatever fits you better, Judo to me feels somewhat impractical with the gi and a lot of the takedowns are very complex and when not executed correctly will put you in a bad position. Bbj is too much ground game for me to feel comfortable saying it’s good for self defense, so I naturally gravitated to wrestling which was more basic and can be simplified to just hugging legs and tackling. It’s also quite effective in street fights especially mat returns which is pretty much all you’ll need to know to feel untouchable in a street fight (however legally could get you in a lot of trouble) it also features inside trips and other judo like moves that would certainly help with transitioning to judo. Additionally it doesn’t use a gi so you can practically use the moves at anytime which was a big plus for me. I have always been told wresting is the strongest base in grappling however I do feel judo is maybe less popular in America which is where I’m from. I will also give credit where it is due to judo which features a submission based ground game that is very similar to bbj with takedowns for a standing game.
Granted though I am mentally more of a wrestler than anything else and enjoy the agressive animalistic style it brings, the takedowns feel powerful and explosive and scrambles are way to fun to pass up. I think judo has very flashy takedowns that will have you spinning in the air and hurt very badly when you land and are very sneaky because of the use of leg entanglements from standing positions. Regardless I have really only seen two people in my life get knocked out by grappling and one was a gut wrenching Mat return from a wrestler (concrete return) and one from a judo guy who used a sanigi (the move where you drag the arm over your shoulder and use your hip to bump them up and toss them) into the pavement. Both absolutely disgusting to see in real life but both effective. As a quick side note judo moves are very fusterating to me because there isn’t a clear level change associated with them and often time are performed in bad positions such as back takes.
He mentioned three wrestling styles: freestyle, folkstyle and greco-roman. What about catch wrestling ?
Ok judo does offer better ethics n judo is also big here wrestling is just depending on the coach where judo does have a ethic mojo
I think it depends on what you wanna do, and what your available options are
Good point
Judo actually helps me get better at Japanese jiujitsu
Dear @chadi, My problem is lightly different. I have praticed BJJ for two years as white belt, but the course is quitted for many reasons. The last year I discover Judo and I'm Yellow belt now, but a class mate of my former instructor want to restart the BJJ course. I'm very confused, because I love both Judo and BJJ. I'm also an amateur of 35 years old with family and job. What do you think about? Thanks. :(
Get good at Judo, particularly the stand up and evolve your ne waza and then at brown belt level if you can cross train bjj once a week, twice a week judo and once bjj is plenty for a family man and for good recovery
@@Chadi really thanks a lot. It's a very good advice!
@chadi: ne waza is my best part, but I'm learning a lot of osaekomi waza and turnover. Stand up is hardest, because there are many younger competitors (all brown and black belts). Expecially for kuzushi and kumikata in randori. ;)
First Freestyle wrestling then Judo then BJJ. Judo is by far the hardest to learn in terms of technique. Hence wrestling should to leant first the takedowns are more practical and more successful from a probability standpoint. Also wrestling will teach you how to protect your legs via sprawling and scrambles and how to control the entire body. Judo will teach you counters and enhance your timing. And BJJ will always be the final building block. Also to note most Greco Roman wrestlers grew up doing freestyle and eventually transition over into Greco. You'll develop Greco Roman techniques at a freestyle wrestling academy.
Folkstyle is the best look at all the champions in UFC,Bellator
What about catch wrestling and Japanese saw wrestling
of course, judo... to star and finish. in judo, nor olimpic judo, judo judo, all techniques are allowed.
wrestling for the.mindset and sheer.fitness. then just have fun grappling with a near unlimited.gas.tank
Limitless cardio with an aggressive persona.
Let me see if I understand this answer right:
>Judo is best for kids
>BJJ is best for the elderly
>Judo -> Wrestling-> BJJ is best order for all 3
>Folkstyle Wrestling is best for MMA, Greco-Roman Wrestling 2ed
Look at recent MMA champs. Greco Roman excels because they can do takedowns from a more upright position. Folkstyle wrestlers spend too much time hunched over, and exposing those heads to kicks and knee. Greco Roman transfers to MMA better.
@@Pug351 I was just relaying what the dude being interviewed said. But ya that's definitely true, I think Uncle Chael Sonnen said something similar. Greco also tends to develop very good handfighting.
Still, there's something to the point of the man being interviewed about how Folkstyle trains you to get off the ground or hit a reversal, and how to hold someone down, cover, and control after a takedown.
Yes
Just start.
well i would start with wrestling then judo then luta livre then aikido..:)
I agree, but daito-ryu instead of aikido
@@joatanpereira4272 or shodokan aikido :)
You can specialise in judo's kata too
@@Chadi true
Folks who went from Judo to Wrestling and those who went from Wrestling to Judo, please share your experience and opinions
I'm 25 now and want to learn both of these with striking as well
I know the importance of learning both judo and wrestling, so I want to know which way to go based on your experience and opinions, Judo first and next wrestling or wrestling first then judo?
I'm not considering bjj as I'm more into self defence than sports so I don't consider bjj as effective as the other 2 when it comes to self defence
I have no experience in either of these so I'm completely fresh
If you didn't grow up wrestling, I'd say just start with judo
Here is my take. If you are high-school take Wrestling for at least 2 years. If possible take Jujitsu with that too. I've seen Jujitsu and Wrestling work so well. Rarely seen judo Jujitsu work as great in tournaments because a lot don't allow slams. In the cage from locally. I haven't seen a lot of judo aside leg trips when against the cage. It's tough because I love Judo but it's so hard to use it in the cage unless you out super amount of time into it
Judo has nothing to do with slams,you can do any judo throw in any grappling tournament anywhere.Slams refer to guard slams nothing to do with any art.
I think it's perfectly fine to do judo throws in ibjjf rules, I've seen it
@@scarred10 majority have been seen as illegal and sorry I meant throws not slams. Most people pull guard in tournaments anyway
@@genises200 no throw is illegal in bjj,in fact it allows all the throws banned in judo.Do you even train at all?
@@genises200 all throws are legal under IBJJF, the problem is rule says 'control manner' and your opponent can't land on head (quite logical i think?), but it's hard when you for example go for double leg (it's hard to do 50% instead of full force, unless you do 'shitty' double just to trip him over and control legs->pass the guard). Most ppl sit on butt becasue they don't know how to throw and the sport rule specifics (it's asymetric, one passes the other sweeps/subs), besides hip throws are 'risky' 'cause you can give your back. Slams and suplex are legal in ADCC
Judo is a mix of wrestling and jiu jitsu
Judo is wrestling, humans all over the world use wrestling, because we’re still humans and have the same arms legs & torso’s, judo is the best form of *wrestling* since it focuses on throwing the opponent to the ground with leg sweeps mixed in, and it has ground game like BJJ, Watch wrestlers spar judoka’s in no gi, the judoka’s is next to impossible to take down, and if he goes for the leg sweep wrestler almost always falls, now imagine in a self defense situation where someone is wearing clothing for better grip
Read recently that there are 36 champions with wrestling background, 27 with BJJ - which if true tells a lot. Judo wasn't mentioned, but even if there are any besides Rhonda (at all) there aren't many.
A self defense situation is much much different than mma, also all elite level wrestlers use judo, so it’s shady to not mention that one, for self defense grappling judo by far beats wrestling, and even for cage fighting judo is better than wrestling, look at judoka’s spar wrestlers and you’ll see what I’m talking about,
@@realtruth1448 Hahah! No, wrestling is superior in every way possible. There is one judo champion in the UFC - woman, in the time that women in MMA was new, so the skill level was really low.
It goes the other way around - judokas try to wrestle when exposed to MMA.
In self defence the most important thing is the legality of techniques used. Wrestling is way better in that sense too. BJJ too, since locks and chokes makes you the criminal in most cases.
@@realtruth1448 I can actually remember way more (active or otherwise) karate-based fighters than I can of those who based their style around judo.
Wrestlers are in their own category all together and only one that comes even close is BJJ. And todays BJJ is more like wrestling than it is judo - thanks to ADCC.
I have watched most of the UFC nights in the last 2 to 3 years and I have seen mayby a dozen or so judo throws in there. There are more wrestling takedowns than that in every event.
@@JoriMikke78 you’re delusional, just because nobody in the UFC uses judo, doesn’t mean judo is inferior to UFC GRAPPLING ARTS, with that same logic kickboxing is better than muay thai since the majority of UFC fighters train kickboxing over muay thai
All elite level wrestlers train judo, are you dumb? Daniel cormier & jon jones, both use judo
@@JoriMikke78 khabib, literally out of his own mouth said judo is better than wrestling, lol are you dumb?
if you have access it to, wrestling 100%.
Wrestling will toughen you up for sure
Ground work - takedown - hit - weapons.
Ground work because not all kids can understand the concept of takedown.
As soon as a kid understand , takedown.
Black belt, learn punch & kick etc = hit. Then weapons.
note:
Takedown takes long time to master.
Transition from wrestling to Judo is harder, because the difference in standing.
The real question is . . how to make hard bones in arms & legs when the kids is still only training grapling. As training hard body must be done in early age.
Teach them how to punch & kick only, without tactical knowledge?
Add striking later to compliment grappling
I see many of you dont know nothing of wrestling. Its more than shooting legs for takedown, its throws, tosses, more standup work than you think. And uts more than 3 styles of wrestling, Folk and freestyle are variations of catch wrestling English, Greco-Roman ( self-titled)
For me, it's always the one that's most accessible.
Yes training is better than no training
"the best ability is availability"
I'm close to 50 years old and tried free style wrestling, 🤢🤮 at #3 class 😅
start from freestyle wrestling, learn Judo, and retire with BJJ IMHO
I'm always surprised Judokas don't experiment more with Wrestling, Greco looks like Judo with out the kimono and folk style allows foot sweeps and judo counters for single leg takedowns are class!
It’s a gi. Kimono is a completley different thing, looks more like a really nice bathrobe lol
Good
I vote judo even as a bjj guy
Karo was a judoka
and he used judo in mma and win
Wrong , to start is Jiu jitsu, to learn as a secondary would be wrestling and Judo. To polish it all and ride into the sunset Jiu jitsu.
Don't forget about boxing and kick boxing.
I'd rather be comfortable on my feet before going to the ground
Any guy who has two years of Wrestling and Judo will beat a Jiu-jitsu guy of four years. My Judo Sensei has been saying that for years. He's a 2nd Dan Judo Black Belt and a Blue Belt in BJJ.
Also depends on the rules
Well it depends. I know that Laetitia Blot is trained in judo(4dan), freestyle wrestling, and sambo. And she is doing well in mma. Although she had done sub grappling in the gyms(youtube). And now is training under Nicolas Renier(bjj black belt and Luta Livre black belt). Luta livre is mix of catch wrestling and judo. Just like how she did amateur wrestling and judo.
And yes Luta Livre sounds like lucha libre. LOL. Both were influenced by catch wrestling. But luta livre is made for a real fight.
for me is judo,wrestling to bjj
Of course Chadi would never have a guest on that would answer that question any way other than “Judo”
We get it, you’re biased towards Judo, how many times do you need to beat the same horse?
I missed "Hi this is chadi" 🤐
Judo definately, if everyone started with Judo u would find that Ego and humility is tackled for the rest of your life, and even in Judo compared to other countries, look how humble the Japanese are but they do produce the best Judo as it was intended. And it's easier to transfer than the other way around, great Video.
@@jaymorris3468 agreed !
You'll hear it soon;)
Go to Pula, Croatia. There you can see who begins with MMA and BJJ.
Nice girls - but is this martial arts?
man where's the rest? :)
Full talk is on Patreon, there's clips here available on my channel
Judo . Judo have stand and ground. Bjj is kosen judo
I'd start my kids with judo in the future
Here n America it clear wrestling
Judo is the best
Start with wrestling, pick up judo turn BJJ for life
I'd say Judo, then bjj and wrestling
@@Chadi the problem with wrestling last is there's no real infrastructure for it. At least not in the United states. All the of the wrestling you're going to do will be while you're in school. Club wrestling after college isn't nearly the same. It's not necessarily the art of wrestling, but the intense training and competition schedule that comes along with it in school
He forgot a wrestling style….CACC
IMHO….This is the order for self defense. Judo, BJJ, wrestling and some boxing last.
Good point
respect and morality in general are dictated by your aesthetic appeal.
lmao it's over.
psh, whatever: we all know that CHI fighting is the indestructible art. pew pew pew!
All sucks sambo is the best ❤
It comes from Judo though
@@Chadi well bjj is from judo too but thats dosnt mean judo is better
@@Brucelee-pv6uf All great martarts depends on the athlete