Will you please stop spamming every panigale and hp4 vid with the same shitty comments. You must be really insecure if you constantly need to tell everyone that you have these bikes.
To end all arguments, here it is. All things equal the bike rider will always be faster driving the car than the car driver will be riding the bike! It takes some skill to drive a car that fast, it takes more skill/technique and about 10 times more courage to ride a bike that fast. Bike/rider wins this test on all fronts.
dave175a chances are 99% of bikers have driven a car probably more than a couple times chances are they went fast a few times, but not everybody has ever ridden a bike or know the first thing about going fast, little unfair to say the bike is more skilled, tiger woods is probably a better basketball player than Lebron is a golfer does that make him more skilled? just saying going fast in a car isn't as easy as people make it sound, agree you have to be a little more fearless on a bike, crash at 150mph dangers starts to become more equal for car and bike.
Thats bollocks, tecnically car is far more complete than a bike, basically bike is half a car, and depends on the agility of the rider honed over yrs of riding just like a gymnast, and if what yu are saying is true the entire moto gp wuld be competing in a much higher profile F1 or and other auto series but they are not, and many hve tried a hand at car racing and failed miserably, ( Casey stoner, carl fogarty ,wayne gardner, kevin schwantz) only Vale could hold a candle to the professional race and rally drivers.
While a bike has more torque, the car has much more ground contact with 4 wheels. So, the more curves the more the car will usually gain on the bike. Being able to have the double or more ground contact helps putting power to traction. Bike's achille wheel remains ground contact, which is about one postcard size.
Plus nothing beats the knee-down action and the gyroscopic effect you feel when trying to force a bike into a narrow line around a corner... was a car fan myself, but nowadays I can't wait to get on my bike and hit the next trackday!
+Tom Salmon Scooters could be classed as rear-engined and Yamaha made a two-wheel drive MX bike. And Ohlins made a two-wheel drive R1, but I put it down to being a bike channel, so they got confused :D
Great video. The two vehicles are beautiful and in term of pleasure I think it's quite the same. Speed and power are nothing without control and technic, so the more important is to have thrills with what you have.
You're guessing wrong I'm riding a motorcycle for 2 years now. Stop this stupid argue about 2 wheels > 4, this is not a matter of having more pleasure. It's only a matter to have pure pleasure with a car or a motorcycle.
I think this all comes down to which your regular owner would be faster in. Most people are able to coax more performance out of a supercar than a superbike and pretty much everybody would feel safer pushing the envelope in a car.
True but what about price? Most people can't afford a 12c where most people can afford a superbike. Even if you count riding gear you're looking at around £15k for most superbikes. Doesn't matter if your regular owner is Schumacher - they're not getting more pace out of a car of that price even if they're only half trying on the bike.
***** I completely understand and for this test it doesn't matter but there should always be the caveat that the car is out of most people's realistic price range. Just trying to add a little relevancy. As for most bikers not being able to get over 30% - I'm sorry but there are a lot more car drivers who don't know what their car is capable of. Even if we take that 30% and allow a car to run way more - maybe 60% (which is unrealistic but I'll play to your idea), in that price bracket you're talking about cars like a Fiesta ST - even that is way more than most superbikes. With that kind of competition the biker doesn't need to get the most from it because it's so much more capable in the first place.
And if you're not nutz, always a fair bit more in reserve for self preservation if on a bike. I had a race with a Golf R and got smoked on my bike on an unfamiliar stretch of real tight narrow twists. I ended up following him for a while and he headed to a road I knew a little better and I was all over his rear.
its much harder to get fast on the bike there alot of physical and mental limitation as well as fear of leaning the bike put 2 relatively new rider and driver on superbike and supercar most people will go faster on a supercar i have both and i can tell you i can get with 5 seconds of a gt3 racing driver with the same level of car but im at least 10 seconds of the pace of sbk rider on similar bike on a gp track and i have been riding for at least 10 years in advance group.
I think in future, these tests should be done on multiple tracks. I also wonder out of curiousity if given time to adjust all the suspension on car and bike, just how much difference they can make in lap times. I wonder if you google the lap times from proper race series how it compaires to these times.
Short technical track with alot of low speed corners favors the car long big gp track that have alot of straights and fast corners favor the bike unless you have 1000hp super car with semi slicks and proper aero like the new zr1/sf90xx or senna where it will most likely beat the bike in pretty much any track but to even have a chance with the bike you need at least a gt3rs level of car to take on today modern crop of 210+ superbike with winglets.
I'm into fast bikes and cars, I love em both. It's a whole lot closer than it used to be. Cars have made huge leaps in power and the ability to get it to the ground. Tires have evolved with them. Just 10 years ago, a 750 Super Sport ( or a 600 on a shorter course) would have handed the car it's ass. Great Video.
Yup - anyone with an ounce of talent can go reasonably quick in a car. It's far far easier than on a bike because small mistakes don't matter. A small mistake on a bike has big consequences.
Just another Bike vs. Car vid, my experience has always been "not even" close.........All the Corvettes, Mustangs are not even remotely close...chances are you'll never see a McClaren, maybe a newer Vette or Lambo, or Ferrari....still No Contest, I just rocket away on the first straightaway & they usually just give up. Best "race" to date was a Turbo Carrera Porsche 911.........that WAS fun, he pulled off afterwards to chat..he enjoyed it as much as I did! Still pulled hard away on the straights....
@@Hankblue An F1 racecar on the street?,...will never happen...My street-bike on a track?,...will never happen, it doesn't belong on the track, looking at it, it has this thing called a license plate.
@@AndieBlack13 Plenty of people take their street bikes to track mate, and none of that changes what I said. If you wanna compare the fastest car to the fastest bike, the fastest car will win every time.
@@Hankblue Yes, F1 race-cars are literally in a class of their own...as an F1 car goes faster, the aero down-force increases, GAINING traction, a fully unique effect. Given this traction advantage, especially in the corners, a bike has no chance.
In the Ducati 848cc Challenge, which is pretty much a stock bike racing competition the bike set laptimes of 1 .33.6. So you don't really need the 1199 ball fryer to spank an MP4
Any car without downforce will have a really hard time beating a bike around a track. Friction is not a function of area of contact. So, a bike can theoretically have as much mechanical grip as a car. Also a good portion of a motorcycle's weight (i.e. the rider) is always in the right place, changing the weight distribution to better suit braking, cornering or accelerating, whatever the bike is doing at that moment. However, when you start adding downforce of the order of 3 times the weight of a car (say F1), bikes just can't keep up. That was the technical part. My heart says, no car can ever come close to the thrill of riding a motorcycle. For me, its the next most thrilling thing to do after gliding close to the ground in a wing-suit.
Awesome rider. Sutcliffe's pedaling is pretty impressive as well. Gotta love Autocar's lack of bias in these tests unlike Top Gear where Clarkson's rabid hatred of all things biking is always heavily biased for the car.
Cadwell is biased for cars. Tight and very twisty in places. Donnington is fast and flowing with a long straight under the Dunlop Bridge. The difference between these two vehicles at any rate would be larger. Also, much over five laps of hard driving and the McLaren would suffer serious brake fade - most road going cars do eventually.
bladeboy2041 While there may be car races at Cadwell, it is far from a car circuit. At Donnington the McLaren wouldn't stand a chance. The bike would just walk away.
Well, I suggest that when you managed to get the P1 for this test, try to get an HP4 to compete with! Being a biker myself and have had studied both monsters, I'd put my bet on the P1!! Great video by the way!
DaGhostTV : O, please. I lived long enough to see the supercar term being created and to know those nitwits of Top Gear sort of invented the hypercar word. Before we get caught up in semantics ... car < sportscar < supercar. That's enough. Not : car < ultimate car < sportscar < ultimate sportscar < supercar < ultimate supercar < hypercar < ultimate hypercar < next lingo invented by teens < ULTIMATE lingo invented by teens. The fastest they could build in the 80s was called a supercar ... the fastest we build now still is a supercar for the single reason that buyers would never call them hypercars for fear of undoing their style and sounding adolescent.
If you're gonna pitch a bike against a P1, don't go with a Panigale S. You'll need an R version for that. Or even better, go with a BMW HP4. That thing actually puts out as much power as it says it does. Panigales put out 170-ish on dynos...
Idiot... HP numbers are given in the form of crank horsepower... Dyno's indicate an approximation of what power is making it to the wheels... No system in the world puts 100% power down... there are always drivetrain losses.
These sort of comparisons are only "sort of" interesting. I love bikes and all thing about them BUT whereas any Wally (or Wilma) can drive a car real real fast, to put in a comparable performance riding a bike it takes a very specialized and finely honed skill.
Riding a bike well is an art. There's simply no other way to put it. Any moron can drive a car fast, even around corners. Whereas a moron jumping onto a bike trying to out-corner somebody experienced even if that person has a much faster bike will end up flat on their ass.
Ian Dickinson Yes generally. But driving a car well is an art too. Any moron can drive a car, or ride a bike, fast in a straight line, but come to the twisty bits and both will be off the track. However, It does take a bit more practice on the bike for the twisty bits.
Ive read through some of the comments and i just love how its full of people arguing. Both the car and bike are exotica and both could be classed as works of art. Its only personal opinion that separates things. i have both a car and a bike and while you'll not find a car thats as exciting as a bike you'll not find a bike that was liveable as a car. Its all opinion what you favour most
Obviously the lighter one is faster on the more straight runs, and the one with more rubber on the ground (4 tires) is gonna be faster in the tight corners.
Hey if the McLaren got a set of sticky tires, the Duke should of got something as well. How about a full race exhaust or something. Lets be fare here eh.
Also, how about removing that massive numberplate..tell me that isn't creating drag on the Ducati. As you said above...slicks/full exhaust. Loaded bike vs loaded car.
The ducati can be faster or slower depending on the rider. Rider plays a really big role when racing against these exotic cars. I believe the bike will always win and it does not have to be a ducati. It could be any liter bike but with a rider who know how to push the bike to its limits.
I have a Ducati superbike, and a collection of Porsches. I get the bike out so infrequently, it's always on a battery maintainer, and each time I ride it it costs about $300. I feel deathly afraid while riding the bike, even at reasonable speeds, but I very seldom get scared in my cars, even the supercharged 911 full-on, road-legal race car.
Why is bikers need to hate on car driver?i see this as some kind of insecurity from bikers,soo much that they need to think they are better than others
Since this was done in Cardwell Park I would have liked to have seen the panigale fly twenty meters over the mountain crest, the way Josh brooks does it on his Tyko Suzuki, he always averages laptimes of 1.27.seconds. The panigale S will do 6 seconds quicker you just need a top competitive rider.
I won't say who is faster on the track, cars or bikes. But, to get a car of that performance level you need hundreds of thousands of any currency. On the other hand, most people can afford to buy that Ducati, $20,000 - $30,000 depending on options and location. You would also have enough left over, compared to the McLaren, price to buy some lessons to learn to ride it that fast.
At least this time the track was dry and there were no wet leaves on it. But why oh why Cadwell Park ! It just has to be the most unsuitable and difficult track in the country for a long legged bike.
i called Flo for a price quote for car insurance for a McLaren C12 and her reply was, "Holy smokes, u better call gekko. We at a Progressive cant insure.
This is so awesome... Thing about bikes is that everybody can afford them. You get the same performance than million dollars cars but at a price tag that the average joe can afford. That is why bikes are so amazing. $20k bike vs $178k car and the bike still won. That's an awesome performance to money ratio. Truly amazing! Both awesome machines though! Good day!
yeah but bike are hard to ride coming from a person who owns both my ducati v4 is alot harder to ride then c43 amg in fact my times on track are quite similar i was able to clock my c43 at 1:21 seconds and my v4 speicale at 1:14 seconds at bira circuit mind you that im avid fan of bike riding while car is more of status symbol to me it only took me about a few track day to get my c43 to that time while it took me years to hit 1:15 on my v4 in fact my first time on the v4 its near 1:35 even i did better on my c43 on the first timed lap i did a 1:33 even now i was not able to extract the full potential of my bike in fact my bike should be able to do a sub 1min at bira because troy baylis did a 1:03 at bira with a 1199s and my v4 speciale is so much better it takes alot to be able to ride fast on a superbike alot more scrafice and effort in cars all you need to do is get the lines rite the breaking point down and the steering in sync with the trottle on a bike you have to all that and also move around the bike from left to right brace for braking and tuck on the straight its alot more physical im completely and physically depleted after a long 10 lap stint on v4 while i can ride almost all day in the car im not trying to compare the c43 and the v4 the v4 will easily rape the c43 if given the rite rider but that the thing about bikes very few can ride them well
Yah brother I feel you man just get a old used Honda Civic or a used Mazda Miata put a few superchargers and turbochargers in it nitrous it out and you have something just as good without spending the money.
+John McPaple Then you get something just as good only in a straight line. The same goes for that overpowered bike you mentioned earlier. The Ducati would still beat it around the track.
I have lapped a Triumph Daytona 675 round Cadwell in 1:37 with the chicane after Mansfield which costs 2 - 3 seconds. That Duke could do 1:30 ridden absolutely flat out with no chicane. I'm sure the car could lap quicker too although probably not to the same extent.
zlyable Tourist Trophy on the PS2 way back in (I think) about 2002 was the best "serious" riding simulation. Personally I wished it was set on public roads with 15 opponents per race who you could hit with chains & metal pipes...... When was the last incarnation of Road Rash? Speed Kings was a hell of a motorcycle game also on PS2.
Completely agree, I've been waiting for a decent bikes game for years now. With street bikes I mean, not motogp. R1, GSXR, ZX10, CBR, S1000RR, Panigale ... etc. Project Gotham racing had some bikes, even though it was not simulation it was really fun, but not enough ... :) And the official superbike games are quite poor... Bad graphics, bad sounds, okish handling ...
Basti SGS dont know if anyone has seen but milestone makers of the most recent Motogp games is making a game called ride which Looks promising and there is a simulator game on pc called GP bikes with allot of mods with moto2/3 and some not all Motogp 500cc supersport and superbike ect the highway drawback to that game is no ai only online so to learn to race is difficult
I wonder if the P1 will beat the Pagani Hyuraha (Whatever its called) on topgear. Im guessing it will put a 1.13. The MP4-12c is 4th on the leaderboard at 1.16.2
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I find it funny that bikers always have a container of apple juice.
+Pickled Onion Think you'll find that's the Front Brake Reservoir ;)
NO, its apple juice! 0_0
I was just kidding. :)
+Pickled Onion I guessed but for anyone who thought you were serious I thought I'd just point it out :D Do you ride?
+Pickled Onion LMAO. so that is why my front brake is always so spongy. brilliant :)
+Pickled Onion i thought it was a urine sample
This video makes me love my Panigale R more...I didn't think that was possible.
you are a lucky man.ducati put in all their engineering might into the latest line of Panigale.Now the Superleggera R....!!
I agree Sir!
Will you please stop spamming every panigale and hp4 vid with the same shitty comments. You must be really insecure if you constantly need to tell everyone that you have these bikes.
Please stop trolling me! I blocked your lame ass from my channel so now you're commenting on my posts. Get a life!
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I didn't even notice cuz I havent been trying to go on your channel. Just stop trying to show off on TH-cam. Its really sad
Those Tricolore Ducatis are beautiful.
mickster boone Mine is all black but I really like the tri too
mickster boone I still love my Tricolore, but I have the full Termignoni system on mine, not the slip ons. Even faster than this one on this vid.
Try the Panigale 1299R FE
To end all arguments, here it is. All things equal the bike rider will always be faster driving the car than the car driver will be riding the bike! It takes some skill to drive a car that fast, it takes more skill/technique and about 10 times more courage to ride a bike that fast.
Bike/rider wins this test on all fronts.
Interesting angle!
True
dave175a chances are 99% of bikers have driven a car probably more than a couple times chances are they went fast a few times, but not everybody has ever ridden a bike or know the first thing about going fast, little unfair to say the bike is more skilled, tiger woods is probably a better basketball player than Lebron is a golfer does that make him more skilled? just saying going fast in a car isn't as easy as people make it sound, agree you have to be a little more fearless on a bike, crash at 150mph dangers starts to become more equal for car and bike.
MrFred1075 it takes alot more skill to ride a bike than to simply turn the wheel inside a safe snug little car.
Thats bollocks, tecnically car is far more complete than a bike, basically bike is half a car, and depends on the agility of the rider honed over yrs of riding just like a gymnast, and if what yu are saying is true
the entire moto gp wuld be competing in a much higher profile F1 or and other auto series but they are not, and many hve tried a hand at car racing and failed miserably, ( Casey stoner, carl fogarty ,wayne gardner, kevin schwantz) only Vale could hold a candle to the professional race and rally drivers.
Cars move your body.
Bikes move your soul.
kennyhfc71 Curry moves your bowels.
+Pickled Onion ... Dammit I can't think of anything else.
+Antonius Tyaswidyono Pickfords moves your furniture.
+Pickled Onion XDD LOL LOL
+kennyhfc71 Bar Refaeli moves your pocket rocket.
Cars might be nice but I LOVE bikes. The sound and speed are so amazing.
If Sara says that... Who can disagree??? Not me
Not faster than a car jaha
While a bike has more torque, the car has much more ground contact with 4 wheels. So, the more curves the more the car will usually gain on the bike. Being able to have the double or more ground contact helps putting power to traction.
Bike's achille wheel remains ground contact, which is about one postcard size.
Plus nothing beats the knee-down action and the gyroscopic effect you feel when trying to force a bike into a narrow line around a corner... was a car fan myself, but nowadays I can't wait to get on my bike and hit the next trackday!
why did they state the ducati was mid engine, rear wheel drive? i was unaware bikes came in any other layout...
ural bikes have 2 wheel drive option
+Tom Salmon Scooters could be classed as rear-engined and Yamaha made a two-wheel drive MX bike. And Ohlins made a two-wheel drive R1, but I put it down to being a bike channel, so they got confused :D
+Tom Salmon 100% agree but they said that cuz not al pepole know's how a bike work
Both motoring journalists, so pilots for the two vehicles seems pretty fair.
Cheers at 01:48
Not a single British test without tea in the brake reservoir.
Great video. The two vehicles are beautiful and in term of pleasure I think it's quite the same. Speed and power are nothing without control and technic, so the more important is to have thrills with what you have.
I'm guessing you haven't tried a motorcycle yet. 2 wheels > 4 when it comes to involvement, excitement, and feeling.
You're guessing wrong I'm riding a motorcycle for 2 years now.
Stop this stupid argue about 2 wheels > 4, this is not a matter of having more pleasure. It's only a matter to have pure pleasure with a car or a motorcycle.
I can respect that. Guess I'm just a hedonist.
All good fun guys, but lets face it any car (supercar, whatever) is like a mini retirement home compared to a bike, errr....fact!
true dude.
those that say different have never riden a 200 bhp bike
i got a mustang gt and a zx12r...the bike is on another planet performance wise
Fighter jets
Cadwell Park looks like a very nice circuit!
seems a little hard to believe that guy is driving a mclaren so hard around a circuit without proper safety gear [fire suit or at least a helmet]
yeah until he crashes at 150mph and is trapped inside a burning car...then everyone will agree with me
Yeah but the biker doesn't even have seat belts! So I guess they're even there:-))
ianrkav Having seatbelts on a Motorcycle???? Are you crazy?
starciller99 Yes I'm crazy lol :-)
ianrkav Alright, just checking! XD
I think this all comes down to which your regular owner would be faster in. Most people are able to coax more performance out of a supercar than a superbike and pretty much everybody would feel safer pushing the envelope in a car.
True but what about price? Most people can't afford a 12c where most people can afford a superbike. Even if you count riding gear you're looking at around £15k for most superbikes. Doesn't matter if your regular owner is Schumacher - they're not getting more pace out of a car of that price even if they're only half trying on the bike.
***** I completely understand and for this test it doesn't matter but there should always be the caveat that the car is out of most people's realistic price range. Just trying to add a little relevancy. As for most bikers not being able to get over 30% - I'm sorry but there are a lot more car drivers who don't know what their car is capable of. Even if we take that 30% and allow a car to run way more - maybe 60% (which is unrealistic but I'll play to your idea), in that price bracket you're talking about cars like a Fiesta ST - even that is way more than most superbikes. With that kind of competition the biker doesn't need to get the most from it because it's so much more capable in the first place.
And if you're not nutz, always a fair bit more in reserve for self preservation if on a bike.
I had a race with a Golf R and got smoked on my bike on an unfamiliar stretch of real tight narrow twists. I ended up following him for a while and he headed to a road I knew a little better and I was all over his rear.
its much harder to get fast on the bike there alot of physical and mental limitation as well as fear of leaning the bike put 2 relatively new rider and driver on superbike and supercar most people will go faster on a supercar i have both and i can tell you i can get with 5 seconds of a gt3 racing driver with the same level of car but im at least 10 seconds of the pace of sbk rider on similar bike on a gp track and i have been riding for at least 10 years in advance group.
I think in future, these tests should be done on multiple tracks. I also wonder out of curiousity if given time to adjust all the suspension on car and bike, just how much difference they can make in lap times. I wonder if you google the lap times from proper race series how it compaires to these times.
Short technical track with alot of low speed corners favors the car long big gp track that have alot of straights and fast corners favor the bike unless you have 1000hp super car with semi slicks and proper aero like the new zr1/sf90xx or senna where it will most likely beat the bike in pretty much any track but to even have a chance with the bike you need at least a gt3rs level of car to take on today modern crop of 210+ superbike with winglets.
next one use the mclaren f1, way quicker than any of these modern day mclarens that are been made for the roads.
That tri-color looks awesome.
If you bring in the P1, you're going to need the HP4.
Looking forward to the P1 vs Duc 1299.
both these guys are great drivers.
Another brilliant video Autocar - keep them coming. Would argue that a bit more video length. Is required.
Watching this in 2019 and marveling at the Ducati's price tag 5 years ago
ignore all of these "i would have done it better", or i would have used "some thing els" people.. this was an amazing video! :)
I'm into fast bikes and cars, I love em both. It's a whole lot closer than it used to be. Cars have made huge leaps in power and the ability to get it to the ground. Tires have evolved with them. Just 10 years ago, a 750 Super Sport ( or a 600 on a shorter course) would have handed the car it's ass. Great Video.
Now that's a proper video.
love this comparisons
i would love to see a full onboard lap of the ducati and mclaren
2:04 lol look at his cup of tea in the cup holder.
This was totally awesome! Those guys have some guts.
Takes no skill to go fast in a car. Takes balls and skill to go fast on a bike.
The first part is a damned lie...
Use a pedal, turn the wheel. Not hard.
***** Sorry, didn't realize I was speaking to an F1 driver whom Schumacher pales in comparison to. You obviously know what you're talking about...
CoolCucumbersGaming Doesn't take Neil Armstrong to understand it's not rocket science either.
Yup - anyone with an ounce of talent can go reasonably quick in a car. It's far far easier than on a bike because small mistakes don't matter. A small mistake on a bike has big consequences.
Nice to see that they did this on a dry day for a change, and a slightly warmer one at that.
However, four wheels, of course, ultimately faster. Radical SLR or anything that is light and generates downforce
Just another Bike vs. Car vid, my experience has always been "not even" close.........All the Corvettes, Mustangs are not even remotely close...chances are you'll never see a McClaren, maybe a newer Vette or Lambo, or Ferrari....still No Contest, I just rocket away on the first straightaway & they usually just give up. Best "race" to date was a Turbo Carrera Porsche 911.........that WAS fun, he pulled off afterwards to chat..he enjoyed it as much as I did! Still pulled hard away on the straights....
Get on the track vs a formula one car, you'll get your butt handed to you
@@Hankblue An F1 racecar on the street?,...will never happen...My street-bike on a track?,...will never happen, it doesn't belong on the track, looking at it, it has this thing called a license plate.
@@AndieBlack13 Plenty of people take their street bikes to track mate, and none of that changes what I said. If you wanna compare the fastest car to the fastest bike, the fastest car will win every time.
@@Hankblue Yes, F1 race-cars are literally in a class of their own...as an F1 car goes faster, the aero down-force increases, GAINING traction, a fully unique effect. Given this traction advantage, especially in the corners, a bike has no chance.
In the Ducati 848cc Challenge, which is pretty much a stock bike racing competition the bike set laptimes of 1 .33.6.
So you don't really need the 1199 ball fryer to spank an MP4
Man both drivers are hustling hard !!
I'd like to the see the new 1299s up against the P1. That will be close... the P1 is a monster for sure.
Great video. Do this exact same match up on more tracks, please!
Nice. But you should of showed us the complete laps for each one.
Any car without downforce will have a really hard time beating a bike around a track. Friction is not a function of area of contact. So, a bike can theoretically have as much mechanical grip as a car. Also a good portion of a motorcycle's weight (i.e. the rider) is always in the right place, changing the weight distribution to better suit braking, cornering or accelerating, whatever the bike is doing at that moment. However, when you start adding downforce of the order of 3 times the weight of a car (say F1), bikes just can't keep up.
That was the technical part. My heart says, no car can ever come close to the thrill of riding a motorcycle. For me, its the next most thrilling thing to do after gliding close to the ground in a wing-suit.
Nice vid keep up the good work
Awesome rider. Sutcliffe's pedaling is pretty impressive as well.
Gotta love Autocar's lack of bias in these tests unlike Top Gear where Clarkson's rabid hatred of all things biking is always heavily biased for the car.
Now do it on a track that is biased for car and bike like Donington
Cadwell is biased for cars. Tight and very twisty in places. Donnington is fast and flowing with a long straight under the Dunlop Bridge. The difference between these two vehicles at any rate would be larger. Also, much over five laps of hard driving and the McLaren would suffer serious brake fade - most road going cars do eventually.
bladeboy2041 While there may be car races at Cadwell, it is far from a car circuit. At Donnington the McLaren wouldn't stand a chance. The bike would just walk away.
McLaren P1 vs Ducati Superleggera next please. I enjoy these videos.
Great vid, both amazing machines!
You steer a Car you ride a Bike
I would love to see a 2014 yzf r1 vs a gt-r under 2 top pilots. hope u guys can make more reviews of cars vs bikes.
They’re both equally impressive.
Two masterpieces in their own right.
it's always easy to say this but I think he could have pushed it a lot harder in the corners
when following the bike yes, but on his timed lap he seemed to be on the limit of traction
Well, I suggest that when you managed to get the P1 for this test, try to get an HP4 to compete with! Being a biker myself and have had studied both monsters, I'd put my bet on the P1!!
Great video by the way!
Ultimate supercar? Why not the 918 or the P1 then?
Nice fight but not ultimate.
Yeah, but they also didnt test the 1199 "R", or the even faster 1199 Superleggera...
I thought it was a good match up.
918 and p1 are not supercars they are hypercars
I'd say that other than what DaGhostTV said, they're not publicly available yet.
Dylan Kugel That would be a good follow-up test: 1199 R or Superleggera vs P1 or 918 Spyder with Weissach Pack!
DaGhostTV : O, please. I lived long enough to see the supercar term being created and to know those nitwits of Top Gear sort of invented the hypercar word. Before we get caught up in semantics ... car < sportscar < supercar. That's enough.
Not : car < ultimate car < sportscar < ultimate sportscar < supercar < ultimate supercar < hypercar < ultimate hypercar < next lingo invented by teens < ULTIMATE lingo invented by teens.
The fastest they could build in the 80s was called a supercar ... the fastest we build now still is a supercar for the single reason that buyers would never call them hypercars for fear of undoing their style and sounding adolescent.
i love duc's. i dont think they'd have anything on a p1 though. the price difference vs performance difference is a still a win for the bike
That Duc looks really good.
Takes way more skill to ride the bike than the car.
If you're gonna pitch a bike against a P1, don't go with a Panigale S. You'll need an R version for that. Or even better, go with a BMW HP4. That thing actually puts out as much power as it says it does. Panigales put out 170-ish on dynos...
Yep it does the usual Italian thing when it comes to HP, just a straight forward lie. :)
Idiot... HP numbers are given in the form of crank horsepower... Dyno's indicate an approximation of what power is making it to the wheels... No system in the world puts 100% power down... there are always drivetrain losses.
I know about that, you asswipe. The thing is, Ducatis are ALWAYS further from the given numbers, than BMWs are. FACT!
Robertas Bukantis tool, 190 plus for the duke at the wheel
Barry Mcdonald If you're saying that the Duke is faster than the HP4 you are mistaken.
Could do a video and test on mclaren p1 vs DMW s 1000 rr hp4
Now that would be a test to watch out.
These sort of comparisons are only "sort of" interesting. I love bikes and all thing about them BUT whereas any Wally (or Wilma) can drive a car real real fast, to put in a comparable performance riding a bike it takes a very specialized and finely honed skill.
Riding a bike well is an art. There's simply no other way to put it. Any moron can drive a car fast, even around corners. Whereas a moron jumping onto a bike trying to out-corner somebody experienced even if that person has a much faster bike will end up flat on their ass.
Ian Dickinson Yes generally. But driving a car well is an art too. Any moron can drive a car, or ride a bike, fast in a straight line, but come to the twisty bits and both will be off the track. However, It does take a bit more practice on the bike for the twisty bits.
As awesome as supercars are, unless something has gone horribly wrong, you can't drag your knee
Next time, do it in the rain.
Let the bike be king of the hill. Just give me a maclaren to drive...
Ive read through some of the comments and i just love how its full of people arguing. Both the car and bike are exotica and both could be classed as works of art. Its only personal opinion that separates things. i have both a car and a bike and while you'll not find a car thats as exciting as a bike you'll not find a bike that was liveable as a car. Its all opinion what you favour most
Great riding 👏🏼👏🏼
Lol i'm sorry my £20,000 sports bike beat your £175,000 super car. Hahaha
Cadwell Park is one of the twistiest and hardest tracks for bikes.
Obviously the lighter one is faster on the more straight runs, and the one with more rubber on the ground (4 tires) is gonna be faster in the tight corners.
Hey if the McLaren got a set of sticky tires, the Duke should of got something as well. How about a full race exhaust or something. Lets be fare here eh.
The Duc? The Duke is made by KTM.
Also, how about removing that massive numberplate..tell me that isn't creating drag on the Ducati. As you said above...slicks/full exhaust. Loaded bike vs loaded car.
1tokeover Just as a pointer...back in the 70s we use to call Ducati's "DUKES" Not DUCs....before the new KTM was even a sperm!
The ducati can be faster or slower depending on the rider. Rider plays a really big role when racing against these exotic cars. I believe the bike will always win and it does not have to be a ducati. It could be any liter bike but with a rider who know how to push the bike to its limits.
That's the power of electronically assisted bikes
Why you didn't hit the aero button? You can corner faster and got more brake point
I have a Ducati superbike, and a collection of Porsches. I get the bike out so infrequently, it's always on a battery maintainer, and each time I ride it it costs about $300.
I feel deathly afraid while riding the bike, even at reasonable speeds, but I very seldom get scared in my cars, even the supercharged 911 full-on, road-legal race car.
Why is bikers need to hate on car driver?i see this as some kind of insecurity from bikers,soo much that they need to think they are better than others
*****
I'd rather push my bike then drive a car
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I'd rather push my bike then drive a car
+TEH KOTAK because deep down, they know that ALL records are held by cars.
+Jim Hinson xactly
Bike= King of the hill (with that last scene)
Notice at 4:22 he looks at the speedo? Clearly out of his comfort zone pushing that car very well.
Why not the S1000RR HP4?
Can someone explain what you have against the japaneese bikes. I mean, is the ducati relly faster than a Suzuki GSX-R1000 or a Kawasaki Ninja?
Next video should be a Porsche 918 Spyder vs Bmw S1000rr HP4!
Cadwell Park is such an awesome track.
Why isn't MotoGP going there?
Since this was done in Cardwell Park I would have liked to have seen the panigale fly twenty meters over the mountain crest, the way Josh brooks does it on his Tyko Suzuki, he always averages laptimes of 1.27.seconds. The panigale S will do 6 seconds quicker you just need a top competitive rider.
Radical SR8: 1:22.5. Find me a bike that'll do that. The Mclaren's just a big comfy daily driver with stereo, air con, electric seats etc.
Awesome, because these fight are impredictable :D
I think based on price, they should have used the Ducati Desmosedici.
I won't say who is faster on the track, cars or bikes. But, to get a car of that performance level you need hundreds of thousands of any currency. On the other hand, most people can afford to buy that Ducati, $20,000 - $30,000 depending on options and location. You would also have enough left over, compared to the McLaren, price to buy some lessons to learn to ride it that fast.
Great Vid!
FERRARI FXX K vs DUCATI DESMOSEDICI RR
ultimate hypercar vs hyperbike showdown.
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The lad on the bike was fast & the car driver was good, but how would things pan out with a super bike rider & a touring car driver ?. Good vid. 👍
how big is the price difference?
At least this time the track was dry and there were no wet leaves on it. But why oh why Cadwell Park ! It just has to be the most unsuitable and difficult track in the country for a long legged bike.
i called Flo for a price quote for car insurance for a McLaren C12 and her reply was, "Holy smokes, u better call gekko. We at a Progressive cant insure.
Cracking video Autocar, well done.
This is so awesome... Thing about bikes is that everybody can afford them. You get the same performance than million dollars cars but at a price tag that the average joe can afford. That is why bikes are so amazing. $20k bike vs $178k car and the bike still won. That's an awesome performance to money ratio. Truly amazing! Both awesome machines though! Good day!
yeah but bike are hard to ride coming from a person who owns both my ducati v4 is alot harder to ride then c43 amg in fact my times on track are quite similar i was able to clock my c43 at 1:21 seconds and my v4 speicale at 1:14 seconds at bira circuit mind you that im avid fan of bike riding while car is more of status symbol to me it only took me about a few track day to get my c43 to that time while it took me years to hit 1:15 on my v4 in fact my first time on the v4 its near 1:35 even i did better on my c43 on the first timed lap i did a 1:33 even now i was not able to extract the full potential of my bike in fact my bike should be able to do a sub 1min at bira because troy baylis did a 1:03 at bira with a 1199s and my v4 speciale is so much better it takes alot to be able to ride fast on a superbike alot more scrafice and effort in cars all you need to do is get the lines rite the breaking point down and the steering in sync with the trottle on a bike you have to all that and also move around the bike from left to right brace for braking and tuck on the straight its alot more physical im completely and physically depleted after a long 10 lap stint on v4 while i can ride almost all day in the car im not trying to compare the c43 and the v4 the v4 will easily rape the c43 if given the rite rider but that the thing about bikes very few can ride them well
You’re saying “bikes take more skill to ride fast” as if that’s a bad thing...
Yeah, but that rider has tons of skill/experience too
Man I am in love with that bike. I want one NOW
would have been okay except for the fact the the car driver's face looked like he was about to dump waste on a toilet bowl 😸
Let's see the P1 vs HP4!
i wouldn't pick the bike or the car to have because i wouldn't be able to afford the maintenance costs lol
Yah brother I feel you man just get a old used Honda Civic or a used Mazda Miata put a few superchargers and turbochargers in it nitrous it out and you have something just as good without spending the money.
+John McPaple Then you get something just as good only in a straight line.
The same goes for that overpowered bike you mentioned earlier.
The Ducati would still beat it around the track.
I have lapped a Triumph Daytona 675 round Cadwell in 1:37 with the chicane after Mansfield which costs 2 - 3 seconds. That Duke could do 1:30 ridden absolutely flat out with no chicane. I'm sure the car could lap quicker too although probably not to the same extent.
When are they going to put bike in Gran Tourismo???? Like ...duh!
This, there arent any bike games out now, it SUCKS!!!
zlyable Tourist Trophy on the PS2 way back in (I think) about 2002 was the best "serious" riding simulation. Personally I wished it was set on public roads with 15 opponents per race who you could hit with chains & metal pipes...... When was the last incarnation of Road Rash? Speed Kings was a hell of a motorcycle game also on PS2.
Completely agree, I've been waiting for a decent bikes game for years now. With street bikes I mean, not motogp. R1, GSXR, ZX10, CBR, S1000RR, Panigale ... etc. Project Gotham racing had some bikes, even though it was not simulation it was really fun, but not enough ... :) And the official superbike games are quite poor... Bad graphics, bad sounds, okish handling ...
Basti SGS dont know if anyone has seen but milestone makers of the most recent Motogp games is making a game called ride which Looks promising and there is a simulator game on pc called GP bikes with allot of mods with moto2/3 and some not all Motogp 500cc supersport and superbike ect the highway drawback to that game is no ai only online so to learn to race is difficult
Too bad they placed a professional rider against a mediocre driver...
I wonder if the P1 will beat the Pagani Hyuraha (Whatever its called) on topgear. Im guessing it will put a 1.13. The MP4-12c is 4th on the leaderboard at 1.16.2
i love both is that a problem?
Yes
P1 vs S1000RR Next time please :)
If they're gonna bring in the P1 then it's gonna have to go against the H2R. Track car vs. Track bike. Only fair that way
Next time they need a proper bike like the HP4
The whole race looked like that red car was stuck behind the red/white bicycle