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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2022
- Expert Level Clinic on How To run the Kennametal Dodeka Mini Shell Mill in Alum, Steel, Stainless, Titanium & Inconel 718. Machine is DOOSAN DNM5700.
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It is amazing how good all those cuts sounded!
Goodmorning Karlo🤙😁
I love seeing your daily comments.
Have a Great Day!
Titan
you can just feel the sturdiness
came here to say the same thing
Even though I have been watching you guys for years I never understood how impressive these types of things were until I started working at a machine shop. That inconel is one hell of a material
Barry's intro was excellent. Man arrived with his morning coffee.
HAHAHA thanks
great video. going seamlessly from jokes to machining info
I love this channel including the high quality of work and video. Thank you for bringing this to us
Another great video as always.
I would like to see cubic inches per minute thrown in there with feeds and speeds just to make it clear how much slower you're having to cut the exotic materials - yes, I can always do the math based on depth of cut and inches per minute, but lots of people won't bother.
These are they shell mills we use at work. We stock different inserts for different materials. They’re so easy to use and leave fantastic finishes.
Love hearing from viewers like you! Thanks for the positive reinforcement!!!
Very informative and at the same time entertaining. Great Vid !!!!!❤
"metal chips bring all the boys to the yard! and my chips are bluer then yours!" *sings* HA! classic!
Hahahaha you get the award for being the first to watch to the end 😂😂
This was a very interesting video however I would’ve liked to seen the Metal after it was cut to see what the surface finish actually look like.
Oh god, that hitmarker sound brought back more memories than I'd like to admit...
We had a similar tool in a old work place, 8 inserts I believe we called it the aluminator. We used it on cast aluminum boxes because of the surface finish requirements.
I love that when you calculate accurate numbers for speed and feeds 🔥🔥♥
I absolutely love machining titanium the chips on the other hand you need a pich fork to get it in the scrap hoper
This is the kinda tooling I want! 1 tool for all materials!
Great engineer is the key-man, he knows the suitable tools for the corresponding material👍
Great shell mill. We scored two of them from the store and could not be more pleased. Works fantastic on a lower powered mill such as we have (Hass TM3P). I would like to see some more videos of you as a turtle please.
Hahahaha well, all I have to do is mess with our media team, and you can be quite sure they will mess with me back. Glad you like the tool, they are pretty awesome!
I like these facemills they seem to be a soft cut even when pushed
That inconel sounded cool! I did some cross milling in a lathe on some B16 pre hardened and you couldn't be more right about keeping your cutter cool and lubricated !
I've been very pleased with the dodeka. Very hard to beat for the money. Barry you are awesome behind the camera. Much more pleasant than titan lol.
Hey thanks JJ. Take it from me, it aint easy to go from being a machinist to playing one on TV. Positive feedback like yours actually helps alot. Buuuuuuut Titan is like 100x more awesome than any of us outsiders might think. He’s like my best friend, and just happens to be my boss. He cracks us up all day, and is the guy that makes all this possible. Plus, he spoils the hell outta us. Cant beat that!
@@barrysetzer I can understand totally. It is actually very challenging to me to verbalize what I am actually doing and why I am doing it when teaching newer machinists. I'm sure he takes care of y'all very well since he has roots on the shop floor and can be relatable. I appreciate his passion but also respect the way you and jesse can put skills into words. Keep it up. Ps the dodeka isnt my favorite as I prefer a positive pocket but gosh dang for the money its hard to beat.
We have the same tool just a little bigger, but we are not even near your speeds and feeds. I am just mind blown what this tool is capable of, gonna try it tomorrow👍🏻
Killer demo!!!!!!!
Thx for adding price info
You're the man Barry!
It would be nice to see the surface finish after each test in your channel
Roughing surface.
Gah damm! That steel cut was about 4x faster than what we usually do... Time to crank it up!
Oh YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT!
Good cuts
Berry Setzer!?
More like
Berry Seltzer with that fancy intro and drink!
Picked up my dodeka shell mill maybe 1.5 months ago from the Titans of Cnc store. Smoking hot deal and love it. That liquid you appeared to be finessing looks like rancid crawfish boil juice lol. What’s in the cup? Love the videos. Much love and gratitude
Lol nitro cold brew
@@barrysetzer videos are always entertaining but still educational. I appreciate you all.
Thanks man! Glad youre pickin up what we’re puttin down!!
Great Video Titan team! I know your teaching, helping and promoting items and I thank you for it. Just one request, after you beat the SH*T out of some inserts/tools, can you guys show them under a microscope to see how they are standing up?
We used one of these made by widia. Ran exclusively AR armour plate. Definitely did not last a lifetime haha.
Worked good while they lasted tho!
The chunk of steel was playing "the purge" tune
ok Barry. Do love the humor :)
I try ;)
Always going faster 🤣🤣 love it
Man I’d love to work in a shop like that
the best your programming the CNC machining I am like this your designing parts from CNC programming my CV has a from this you are job.
Everyone wants to have a coworker / teacher like Barry!
Until they actually have to work with me, just ask Jessie 😂. Thanks though brother, appreciate the positive feedback!
One of my favorite coworkers ever! But instead of sipping nitro fuel we were tearing up jalapeño sausages!
Off topic, but how can I drill/tap a very heat conductive and ductile material like c110 copper? I’m working on a project for the aeronautics club at school.
we've been using a dodeka for awhile with the general purpose, started using it on 316ss but having issues so i check this video out, i found the grade you're using from a supplier, we are only taking a .030 depth of cut so i was gonna start at your feed and speed and go from there, but i checked your site and noticed you dont have that grade anymore and had a more heavy duty one, would you recommend the one from the video or try the other stainless general or heavy duty one from your site?
I ran my new dodeka mini with the .022 chip load 1500 SFM .025 step down and it did ok but the surface finish was not as good as we need. It also hurt the insert a bit. Kennametal has the recommendations at .0055 but that seems to conservative. Anyone have some input for a good finish speed and feed as well as roughing that doesn't hurt the insert? We are running it on a brand new DMG so holding and machine are not the issue. Thanks in advance.
I run kenneatmetal some times, problems of edge failure most of the time.
What's the difference between 15 angle version and 45 angle version of this tool?
2:24 sounds straight out of a horror movie or a boat horn
When do I know to use a wiper insert or not?
I got a 30 degree dodeka, is that bad compared 45 or 60 degree
Love Barry
Why thanks Grego! We love our viewers! ;) Thanks for watching
Barry the goat
Hahahaha wuzzup tzwol! Thanks for watching!
So, why both the integrated cooling from the tool _and_ the external jet of cooling? Chip evacuation? Better cooling? Or just overkill because you didn't turn the external one off?
This machine doesnt have a high pressure thru spindle coolant pump, so I just felt better doubling down on the coolant. Good question man! Thanks for watching!
Try that on a retro fit cnc knee mill !
Great video! Question: How would the cutting parameters (speeds and feeds) change for steel and stainless steel once you turn the coolant on? I am thinking of how to avoid material hardening once the coolant hits.
No change, youre fine at the same parameters with coolant!
@@barrysetzer Oh wow! Thanks!
Austenitic stainless steels do not harden on quenching, although they do work harden quite rapidly which is why you never dwell in a cut or let the tool rub. Work hardening also means that the chips are hard as hell so recutting them is a great way to destroy your tool - chip clearance is extra important when machining stainless steel. 1018 might quench harden under very high cooling rates but that won't happen in a cutting operation. If your parameters are good most of the heat should be going into the chip anyway.
@@purerhodium Thanks for the insight! Material science is not my forte
Ordered this 2 weeks ago got iT yesterday.
Cut my cycle time down 2 min
So how well of a surface finish do these facemills leave behind on a finish pass. We have been looking into new shell mills for our facing/ roughing operations. Also we only have cat40 machines how well would these cutters handle smaller machines?
Good question 11! This video was done on a cat40, but this tool even functions well even in a 30 taper machine, like our Tormachs. As for a finish pass, and possible surface finish, i just might do a video on that in the near future.
I work with a lot of welded inconel 625. What’s the difference between this and 718? Obviously the initial cut through the weld can pose issues but how similar are the materials after that?
625 is much easier to machine than 718. But 718 is not the worst either.
perfect intro
Wait not the same inserts? So it’s like a lot of other shell mills? But i like these mighty edge count ones.
Ceratizit has had some with even more was crazy.
Can we have the same but for lathe?
So...the lesson for today is "plug in the correct feeds and speeds, install the proper inserts in your shell mill, and the machine will do the work." Which all our budding young machinists need to know.
Question though: you used different inserts for aluminum, steel and exotic metals. I'm reading that as the KCSM40 is harder than the KCPH30 and that insert is harder than the KC410M. Is there a reason you couldn't standardize on the hardest insert and run everything with it?
To be perfectly honest, i am not sure how the KCSM40 would perform in aluminum. Im sure it could cut it, but i am unsure how the coating would react with sticky materials. If you end up trying it, please tag me on our FB group……i would be curious to see how they work
@@barrysetzer I don't think there's much chance of me trying it, at least not right now...I work in a sign shop and the most aggressive tool I've got is my 50-watt UV laser cutter. I have definite need for a CNC router to mill aluminum and high density urethane, but space is at a bit of a premium...with the Indigo digital press, 64" roll-to-roll inkjet, 126" roll-to-roll inkjet and 96" flatbed printers, plus all the finishing equipment we use - contour cutter, laminator, Fotoba straight cutter, quite a bit of print binding gear and Fletcher signboard cutter - we've got JUST enough room to turn around in there. Unless I can convince the boss to buy an old grocery store, the router's going to have to take up residence in my garage at home. Do you have any preferences as to CNC routers?
How can this machine vise withstand such immense forces with such a short tension?
Are there any good, informative videos for manual machinists who are getting into cnc machining? Some of the speeds and feeds I see I should be running my CNC mill at make me question everythinggggg after running small knee mills and student lathes for the past 7 years.
Sure! We post videos several times per week, showing what your CNC mill is capable of. If there is something specific, you can just search our channel, and odds are we’ve done it.
I wish I could work with this guy 😂
Hey, you're watching the video and hangin out with me in the comments, while we are both working............so I think that qualifies as "working together." And you get the added bonus of not getting hit by my chips while you work!!!
I wish this guy worked for me :)
@@ChrisSmithCenterline LOL, well, you could say that I work for the entire world of machining, so I suppose that I am therefore also YOUR employee. You just don't have to worry about the insurance costs or HR issues that I cause! Score! Now let's talk about bonuses.........;)
Got to have tools to change
I always enjoy the videos but they are showing these inserts doing like 3 cuts in these materials. Id love to see some videos of running some actual production style parts with these inserts and these speeds and feeds.
Well, its somewhat difficult to do that. Imagine if tomorrow morning we posted a video that said “16 hours of machining 1018 steel at 220 ipm.” Would you watch the entire video? I wouldnt! 😜. But thats why we did 4 cuts here, and then a 5th cut at 40% higher feed.
Heres a good example. I took this high feed mill so far past what most of us thought possible. Let me know if you watch the whole video 😎 th-cam.com/video/VrIer9dylhI/w-d-xo.html
Where's the pipe and the house coat? You need some scotch on the rocks!
😂😂
The second material sounded like the purge horn
Cruise ship horn vs tug boat horn
Incredible. Is it possible that you share the cutting parameters in metric system. Thanks.
Hi there! The metric cutting parameters are in the video graphics, and for the cuts that were 40% faster, you can find the metric cutting data in the description of this video!
@@barrysetzer thanks man. Really appreciate your super fast reply. It's just like your fast cutting of metal.
@@plkrishh Hahaha thanks for watching today's video! And we're always watching the comments ;)
How many inserts on the tool
does this still have one insert lower than the rest or is it diffrent in that aspect?
You mean a wiper insert? I dont think so.
Barry is king
Hey man! Where have you been? Haven't seen you here in a while!
@@barrysetzer i was bizzy on my small cnc 😅 this video is cool 😍
@@zajawamotocykle9256 did you catch this one? It's my favorite.......th-cam.com/video/oTGfVnpq3-8/w-d-xo.html
Pretty soon your going to have one heck of an out take reel with Barry
If you only knew, Paul 😂😂
the link to buy with inserts at $249 is not working.
Was that Ti-6Al-4V? And do you happen to know what the UTS of that piece of Inconel 718 was?
It was 6AL-4V, and sorry, I'm not sure what the UTS of that chunk of inconel was.
@@barrysetzer Nice, thanks! And no worries, I was just curious.
Try 718 Inconel hot-rolled with a scale the nastiest stuff I've ever seen
I remember those days when I used those cute little 40Taper tools.
Me too. Its fun to go back to our roots sometimes. Come hang out with me on the Ibarmia some time, and lets see what HSK100 can do.
3:58 it sounds quite a bit like quagmire
💯
🧐 I say my good man. What bog water are you assaulting your distinguished palate with?
Why thank you for asking good sir, it is the finest in North American Nitro Cold brew.
Good morning Brother😁
Love the video!
Why good morning Titan! Haha thanks!
Wow! The two legends in my comment! Today will be a good day! Have a good one gentlemen!
You as well Sir VonPredator. Thanks for watching bro!
👍
I just noticed that was not a dual contact tool. Charles
I notice you didn't show us the surface finish after the cuts - just because a tool can cut through a material doesn't necessarily mean it can machine it well
ANY TIPS?? i just ran this shellmill for the first time and had some poor tool life????? 2..0" promo dodeka KCPM40 inserts (was told they where the general porpose go to) 3.5" 1018 round bar squaring it up to 3.05"x2.45" 5.5 long. blaser BC20 coolant, tsc on. 2300RPM (1200sfm) 150IPM (0.01304/tooth) 0.08" doc 1.5 woc. haas VF2 20hp 10,000rpm spindle (aka low torque). held securly in vice. I would only get about 5 parts per edge (20cycles). and honestly i was running way past where i should have flipped the insert. (in saying that it was predictable consistnt wear with no sudden failgures which is great)
Hey Brian, Barry at Titans, here. But you already knew that. 😂. So in this video i was using KCPK30 grade as general purpose on the 1018 and 316L.
These are the black inserts, and after this (quick) video they had zero visible signs of wear. Your parameters look good……maybe a little conservative on sfm and feed……
Are you in our FB group? If so, friend request me
@@barrysetzer so maybe my vendor recomended the wrong grade for my application then? looks like you used every grade in the promo sale BUT the one they recomended! :p ill have to buy a few more maybe, may as well at that price i guess. any idea what the KCPM40 inserts are for? i still got alot of edges for a job one day i guess!
@@barrysetzer im not, got a link to it? been meaning to, but a one man garage shop chews alot of time! mind you, so does failing when not asking peers for help... hmmmm.
You used climb cuts for all but the inconel I'm pretty sure and wonder why
Hey Michael, may have been an optical illusion. For all materials, i started toward the operator and worked right to left, climb cutting
Is that actually coffee in that cup or dirty coolant
You'll not find dirty coolant in THIS shop, SIR! HAHAHAHA
Yeah, but can it cut Unobtanium 10-billion ?
I hope that's not a waylube shake Barry 😕
If anyone would drink waylube it would be Barry, that man has machining in his blood 😂
I had to cut back on the waylube, its good for digestion but Dr says its killin my liver.
@@barrysetzer lmao
FEED ME !!!!!
If only my machine shop would invest in these kinds of thing. They give us neiko calipers for fucks sake... Thinking it's about time to find somewhere worth while to work at.
Try it in D2 tool steel pre heat-treated to Rockwell c hardness of 30 lol
RC 30 hahahaha that might as well be aluminum. Now some RC 60 CRES stainless…..
@@barrysetzer Obviously you've never worked with D2 lol .
Oh i have. ALOT.
30 hrc is low. Even 6Al 4V titanium is around 45. I want to see Barry getting after high alloy high hardness steels like CPM S90v at 61hrc or CPM rex121 at 70hrc
Which inconel is that?
718
It bet it can take more in the steel, must have a little more hp left
0:34 Made in Bulgaria? 🤪
Yeah, but what about Spindle Load on every cut?
As you see, we went 40% higher on all cuts just so you knew it was possible. Now simply adjust for your own machines.
Yeah but let's see it do that in Brownie batter... :)
HAHAHAHAHA love this comment. $5 says if I do it dry, I will get comments asking "why no coolant?"
Ok I am confused because the calculations for aluminum for 4000 sfm and .011 per tooth is 7640 RPM not 7000 like said in the video and the feed if .011 is used is 420 ipm not 300 ipm. Did I miss some thing because the math is not adding up?
Ill check it out on monday. If the info is wrong, its MY fault. Ill keep you posted.
Could be i gave the editors feedrate from 6:19. In the end, you can run that tool at 5,000 sfm and .022 per tooth, so feel free to test that 🤪
@@barrysetzer thanks will be trying that tomorrow
Hey Richard, I did take a look at this, and the answer is that my surface footage calculation takes depth of cut into account. The cut diameter of this tool is 3", but as you get deeper, the tool outside diameter is 3.150. So with the insert angled, the deeper your cut, the bigger your tool diameter is.
Thank you Barry that makes sense
What the heck was in that glass? It looked like old banana juice
Also what exactly is the difference between 316 and 316L ?
Done plenty of turning in 316 but not 316L
Only difference is a small amount of carbon and molybdenum content. And its nitro cold brew lol
@@barrysetzer ahh okay thanks barry. so my guess is that its pretty simulare to machine as 316 or am i wrong there ?
@@flikflak24 Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, they are the same material! ;)
@@barrysetzer okay thank you barry
How is everyone so confused about the coffee 🤦🏼♂️
Lol i laughed about that too 😂. Like YO that was just a little humor to start off your tuesday morning, not the focal point of the video 😂😂😂
@@barrysetzer I mean I am a coffee specialist so maybe I had an advantage I donno lol, side note I have one of these mills on it’s way and looking very forward to testing it out . Got the alu inserts
Would love to see MAR249 cut. Shit still makes me twitch
Try that in hard rubber, duh
u don't wanna be changing tools for every job ... something our machinists would love. but seems like tools are too expensive for our manager
Yeah they usually dont understand that the average tool change takes on average 12 minutes (depending on how organized the shop is of course)
@@barrysetzer yeah like we have 3 of the same machine with sometimes just one tool of a type so they have to change it constantly since the machines have VDI30 and the other VDI40 holders ... don't know who thought of that 🤔
@@leonschumann2361 I’d go with your manager thinking of that one
As Titan likes to say, "If the spindle ain't turnin........you ain't EARNIN!" And for the price of this tool, you could literally buy 1 with the aluminum inserts and 1 with the general purpose inserts for all 3 machines, and your return on investment would be around 40 tool changes. In the past, I have worked at shops like this, and usually it helps change their way of thinking by doing a time study on how long the average tool change takes, then showing them how much time/money they could save by eliminating that waste.
This guy is giving Titan a very good run for his money on teaching and presenting. 0/10 on bland
Thanks! Titan and I share a passion for what we do, and also love laughing while we work. Appreciate you bro!
@@barrysetzer you and Titan both score 0/100 on the geekiness scale in front of the camera. You present the facts with fun. You really do front the Titan Brand 💯 without any questions. You should revisit some of the older unwatchable content and redo them yourself.
You may have 12 edges per insert but in reality you cam only use 6 due to wear
It actually depends on depth of cut. At .10 depth you only have 1 edge and 1 radius in contact with the workpiece
@@barrysetzer it is still a good cutter. I have run a 160 dia at feeds in excess of 3m/min