Loved the video. Now that I’m landing PRs recently I’ve been at your Entry level pro column @150 lbs BW. Kind of nice to put a bracket on things to realize the fruits of all the hard training.
Wow according to this I am exactly where I am supposed to be! Entry level pro and thats almost exactly where my lifts are! I definitely am a bit higher in some but mostly pretty darn close Nice work Chris! Great Video! Nice to have it there in black and white to chase goals! I will be referring back to this in the coming months!
Everyone else too, apparently. It’s a lot of work to try to get accurate data for every weight class and I think you will find the differences are very small until you get into the lighter classes (say, under 75kg/165lbs).
@@ChrisDrummondAW yeah, I'm 160#, and currently running at amateur/entry level numbers... but, i have to assume that a 198#er running those numbers is a totally different story.
@@ChrisDrummondAWhi chris thanks a lot man of this it help a lot , that locked pronation lift in which angle because levan lifted 100kg but when it comes 90degree angle it’s different and also is that lift include front delt or just the arm if you can explain it would be so helpful
This is awesome and great for newbies who want something to shoot for and have no clue what that should be (guilty). Did you compile this by surveying people?
I have a video from a couple months ago doing 11 reps with 80lbs and on my instagram I have a single doing 85 from 2021 but never actually recorded an attempt at 90lbs. I've done it but never recorded it so take that as you will.
Chris, thanks for the coaching videos, you have an analytical approach that makes it easy to understand and follow what you are saying. A quick question: to what extent can / should you account for different weight classes and bone structures to modify these targets (if at all)? I've been in the sport for about 2 years and I'm tall and skinny. I find that my ability to express strength on the table is about where it should be, but some of my training lifts are really low - especially riser - and not for poverty of programming or dedication. I suspect that this might be typical for "ectomorphs" - would appreciate your opinion.
Although this is a hard Reality Check for myself (well in the weak category), i love this Information. Its good to have this Basic guideline of where Someones vagely at. Thanks, Chris! (kind of XD)
Im new to armwrestling so I’ve never done any of these exercises. But I do a ton of wrist work. What’s the standards for dumbbell wrist curls or some other type of wrist curls?
I started august 28th last year when I was 17, 18 now, and since then have been seriously training for arm wrestling. I would say I have extremely good table IQ for my supposed experience level. I’m 165 pounds and I make sure to hold all of my lifts for at least a second or two. I’m lifting 60 over the knuckle rising off of a single pulley system. 100 strict back pressure, and about 80-90 for locked pronation over the thumb… haven’t really tested this one for a max. I do all of my lifts as clean as possible. Hope to get strong soon
Wow, this video finally addressed so many questions I've had for years. Definitely one of the top arm-wrestling videos out there. This 11 minutes video apparently took a lot of time to prepare, brainstorm and categories, Thanks a bunch! One last question tho 😊 Are the weights listed in your Excel sheet referring to the plate weights or the measurements from a crane scale (For exercises performed on a pulley system)?
Enlightening! Wish I'd found this sooner. Just hit 105 on locked pronation, my back pressure is 125, side pressure on a thick handle (need to get/make a wrist wrench) is 90lbs, Need a Mazurenko handle and my rising is like 65lbs. I need some table time to refine these but I think once I can I'm somewhere between entry pro/sub-nat. Gotta spam some rising too...
@@ChrisDrummondAW have you come across anything like this, which is split into weight classes? It would be interesting to get the measurements of top athletes from all weight classes.
@@TuranZeynalliArmWrestling Some people have tried and failed. The fact is the differences across most weight categories is very small and pointless to try to distinguish. Yes there's obviously a trend associated with weight but there's no point in trying do differentiate between the typical 80kg and 85kg armwrestler.
Hi chris, thanks for the video it is very useful, I have a small question: do you think it is possible to get these figures for a different weight category with a proportion calculation? Thanks again and thanks for your efforts!
This is a common question I get from newer armwrestlers. Once you've been pulling for a few years and you've seen the training from both lighter weight guys and heavier guys you start to realize that the gaps between most weight classes are quite small. If you want some anecdotal data showing that, look at the Latvian team. Janis and Sandris are 35kg apart in weight but their lifts aren't that far apart. I don't think it's possible to get really accurate data from one class to the next because of the sample size and variation between individual athletes. That's a humongous effort (if the data even exists) and doesn't provide any meaningful benefit; I mean, what's the point of showing a difference of probably only 2% from one class to the next? The strengths across weight classes are closer than most people think. If you're in a lighter weight class then you can assume a little less than what's written and if you're superheavy you probably should shoot for the higher side of each category but the numbers should be fairly representative for most armwrestlers. I will note that there's a tangible dropoff in strength below 70kg. Guys weighing 55-70kg usually are considerably weaker than similar-tier guys in the 80-110kg range but again, putting numbers to it is difficult.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Thank you for taking the time to respond, I understand that the numbers are not linear. I still consider these as a useful base even if I am indeed in the -60 kg range
It doesn't have to be. Friction is present in every system but it doesn't make or break you. Any halfway-decent system should only be off by a few percent.
I'm going to order the Mazurenko handle called "HANDLE ECCENTRIC "ULTRA GRIP" - what size should I get? They have 40, 50, 60, and 70mm diameter on the website. Thank you so much for this!
@@ChrisDrummondAW I have pretty average hands for my height (about 7.5" from wrist crease to middle fingertip) - what size would you recommend me buy if you could?
Glad I made it to typical amatuer 😂 i only train at home by myself, inconsistently, so thats where I deserve to be. Edit: some days I can do 62.5 lbs rise and I cant explain it
So I’m looking at these and on a 1:1 pulley my side pressure is stronger than my back pressure which I’m guessing is a problem based on these standards any advice?
@@ChrisDrummondAW well based on the standards everyone has stronger back pressure than side pressure I’m assuming my back pressure is a weak spot if mine is the other way around
@@ChrisDrummondAW I checked my pulley i used for back-pressure on a crane scale it turns out it was an issue with a ton of friction being generated so they actually are about the same so nvm
Not that important for straight side pressure where your wrist is already flexed. Very important for movements where the cable is coming towards you. Trust me, I’ve done the same lift with wrenches from 2” to 3.5” and the difference isn’t that much. Very large are impossible to hold and very small are difficult to apply full power without the wrist or grip failing but any mid-sized wrench will do.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Haven't tried a big one with wrest already fully flexed so you're probably right. I can't use big wrenches where you start in neutral because wrist hurts but like you said it's flexed already here.
In the video "side pressure challenge" from voice of armwrestling Ray did 150lbs with wrist wrench . Did he perform the lift the same way you are talking to in this benchmark ?
But how would be the numbers relative to weightclass? With Which weightclass in mind did you create this? For Example, i am in 85 KG weightclass and just began with training. I assume the numbers then where a bit lower?
Lots of people asked this already. Weight class barely matters. There’s a significant dropoff at 70kg but for most classes the lifts or only off by a couple kilos at most at each level.
Definitely not. Bicep strength is poorly correlated to armwrestling ability. Straight backpressure or locked pronation encompass that to a degree but in a much more accurate way.
I need more data but I’m working on it. I only have solid data for Sarah Bäckman and she’s very special of course so generalizing levels based on her is impossible. Luckily, other ladies are starting to train with me and others are more public about their training so hopefully I can get an idea of what they can do too.
@@ChrisDrummondAW thanks 😂 you are right. I can’t explain. We did rise back pressure and posting top roll like your o these videos; i did 15% more than him in all lifts
@@Bartz147 There's also setup, body positioning at the table, using frame (this is huge, a weaker opponent can beat a stronger opponent if frame is used correctly), coordination, wrist flexion, technique, and fingers that can affect the match, breakdown how you got beat, practice should be about finding vulnerabilities then patching the vulnerabilities not always who gets the pin.
Not with a wrist wrench. Here's him failing twice with 142.5 th-cam.com/video/DtndIlreZuQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ToddHutchings although I do believe he's gotten up close to 150 before.
What would you say the numbers would be for cupping with a cone handle with forearm arm flat on table? Kinda like this th-cam.com/video/Ji1LAXBPGM8/w-d-xo.html
If you're 14 years old and 145lbs and you're doing the lifts correctly, then yes that's quite good. That row is for amateur adults who have some training and most adults weigh more than 145lbs so if you're able to do that then you're doing well.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Well I do riser the way you do it and Devon and my max was 55lb. Pronation backpressure is 80lb, I don't know why but my pronation backpressure and basic backpressure is the same and I actually feel more comfortable doing the pronated version. I did the lift from the floor and with a pulley system and got the same numbers. I don't have a wrist wrench but I did do 70lb side pressure with my pulley I don't know if you can count it as the same thing but yeah. Thanks for replying!
When Oleg Zhokh did the eccentric handle his hand was super super weak, he made up for it with crazy back pressure to be one of the best pound for pound pullers ever left handed. This is whats so cool about arm wrestling. th-cam.com/video/eElP98k7icA/w-d-xo.html
Lack of weight classes really hinders the credibility of the table you presented. 50 lbs rising for 145 lbs guy is a normal weight to be lifting while getting some medals. However, 60 lbs normal back pressure in comparison is just ridiculously low, same goes for the thumb pronation and wrist wrench side. I find that your rising is too high for the weak and amateur class.
As I've said in a number of other comments, the differences from one weight class to the next are pretty small and I wouldn't want to break it down by weight class just because the lightest armwrestlers will understandably be weaker than a 198lb or 242lb guy. So, I did mention that pullers in 154lb and below can be a row or even two rows below the standards here because there seems to be a steeper strength dropoff there than in the other weight classes. Making a mention of it in the video is a simpler way to address it. There's a lot more work involved in accurately breaking it down by weight class and if someone else wants to go to the lengths to do that, then by all means, I'm sure the community would appreciate it.
Quite questionable, these lifts do not reflect my level in tournaments and that of the members of my club, they would all be close to your maximum level and in tournaments little is really won.
The lifts themselves don't make you an armwrestler of that level. However if you're saying all your club members are lifting along that top row and they aren't high-level armwrestlers then I have serious doubts about your comment. That top row is very rare so if you have multiple members in your club lifting that (regardless of their success in tournaments) I have a lot of doubt. It's hard to imagine someone with those strengths who can barely win a tournament. If they're not performing the lifts correctly or are only lifting half the weight because of their pulley system then that's a different story. So.... yeah, without proof your comment doesn't mean much. Plenty of high-level armwrestlers have shown their lifts or been measured by Mazurenko and they fit in these categories relatively well. I'd love to see guys in your club with 150lbs of side pressure, 130lb containment on the Mazurenko handle, and 155lbs of pronation fail to win at tournaments.
@@ChrisDrummondAW No brother, you're wrong, I'm from Mexico, in my club we have the current national champion of 95kg, the national champion of 105kg and the second place of 115kg, the place is not clear since I am a super heavyweight and in Mexico there are almost none super heavyweights, in fact in the UALChampionship tournament that was a few weeks ago in California there were several from my club and they finished relatively well in the tournament, one played the final in his weight category against Vrezh, our 95kg champion could not attend And he is our best armwrestler in general, even so, with what they raise and what you say in this table, it represents is not reflected in tournaments of that supposed level. You should make a comparative weight chart based on specific weight categories and lifts, say exactly what variation and in what range of motion because there are many variations and ranges of motion and systems for lifting that weight.
I wholeheartedly disagree. I personally tested isolated rising, and 50lbs is already national champion level at 75kg. You clearly didn't use the right exercises
@AstrorumLucet 100% Isolated rising. One belt around the body and the arm, preventing the use of other muscles. Second belt in the hand, on the nuckles. Completely front to the pulley, same height as the hand, and going back. The most effective rising exercise I have ever found. I have started testing people and the current record is 31kg lift, from a 100kg "pro" puller
@@justaguyfromreddit So, to be clear, you're telling me my numbers are wrong because they don't match up with the numbers you found while testing a completely different exercise? Lol. Thanks for the laugh.
Been a year and after the popularity of devon pronation lift i would say this strength standard is pretty accurate awesome man
Loved the video. Now that I’m landing PRs recently I’ve been at your Entry level pro column @150 lbs BW. Kind of nice to put a bracket on things to realize the fruits of all the hard training.
Wow according to this I am exactly where I am supposed to be! Entry level pro and thats almost exactly where my lifts are! I definitely am a bit higher in some but mostly pretty darn close Nice work Chris! Great Video! Nice to have it there in black and white to chase goals! I will be referring back to this in the coming months!
For the record. Kevin Palko's posting back pressure is 102.5 lbs. His rise is 60 lbs. His side is 110 lbs.
Rise is definitely his biggest vulnerability too, but he protects it pretty well with his setup.
Would love a video on mazurenko lift. Showing the Standardized form and maybe ways to progress there
Link is in the description.
I would like to see this broke down further for weight classes. Thanks for the video
Everyone else too, apparently. It’s a lot of work to try to get accurate data for every weight class and I think you will find the differences are very small until you get into the lighter classes (say, under 75kg/165lbs).
@@ChrisDrummondAW
yeah, I'm 160#, and currently running at amateur/entry level numbers... but, i have to assume that a 198#er running those numbers is a totally different story.
Your eating disorder isn’t an excuse to be weak. Just get insanely strong.
@@squatsgutsandglory6440 what
@@ChrisDrummondAWhi chris thanks a lot man of this it help a lot , that locked pronation lift in which angle because levan lifted 100kg but when it comes 90degree angle it’s different and also is that lift include front delt or just the arm if you can explain it would be so helpful
This is awesome and great for newbies who want something to shoot for and have no clue what that should be (guilty). Did you compile this by surveying people?
Just from observation and my own experience.
Great information! Thank you!
I would love to see a video of you doing your best lifts on this list. Especially the 90lb riser 🧐
I have a video from a couple months ago doing 11 reps with 80lbs and on my instagram I have a single doing 85 from 2021 but never actually recorded an attempt at 90lbs. I've done it but never recorded it so take that as you will.
@@ChrisDrummondAW strong stuff man clean lifts 👌
Chris, thanks for the coaching videos, you have an analytical approach that makes it easy to understand and follow what you are saying.
A quick question: to what extent can / should you account for different weight classes and bone structures to modify these targets (if at all)?
I've been in the sport for about 2 years and I'm tall and skinny. I find that my ability to express strength on the table is about where it should be, but some of my training lifts are really low - especially riser - and not for poverty of programming or dedication.
I suspect that this might be typical for "ectomorphs" - would appreciate your opinion.
Just pondering this more: relatively my containment is strong - perhaps longer ecto fingers help here?
This answered a lot of questions..I had... very good video...
Although this is a hard Reality Check for myself (well in the weak category), i love this Information. Its good to have this Basic guideline of where Someones vagely at. Thanks, Chris! (kind of XD)
Im new to armwrestling so I’ve never done any of these exercises. But I do a ton of wrist work. What’s the standards for dumbbell wrist curls or some other type of wrist curls?
If you can wrist curl at least 100 lbs dumbbell....that is pretty good, at that entry level pro. 125-130 lbs+ is at a very high level.
I started august 28th last year when I was 17, 18 now, and since then have been seriously training for arm wrestling.
I would say I have extremely good table IQ for my supposed experience level.
I’m 165 pounds and I make sure to hold all of my lifts for at least a second or two. I’m lifting 60 over the knuckle rising off of a single pulley system. 100 strict back pressure, and about 80-90 for locked pronation over the thumb… haven’t really tested this one for a max. I do all of my lifts as clean as possible. Hope to get strong soon
That's good you do all your lifts clean as possible. Make sure to stay true to yourself. Any lies or cheat lifts will show up on the table.
You are already strong my dude
Thats strong already fr, bro. Not even sure my back pressure is that high.
This is a huge help in my progression.... I'm all over the board...lol
Wow, this video finally addressed so many questions I've had for years. Definitely one of the top arm-wrestling videos out there.
This 11 minutes video apparently took a lot of time to prepare, brainstorm and categories, Thanks a bunch!
One last question tho 😊 Are the weights listed in your Excel sheet referring to the plate weights or the measurements from a crane scale (For exercises performed on a pulley system)?
Thx for this info great stuff
This is super cool
Enlightening! Wish I'd found this sooner. Just hit 105 on locked pronation, my back pressure is 125, side pressure on a thick handle (need to get/make a wrist wrench) is 90lbs, Need a Mazurenko handle and my rising is like 65lbs. I need some table time to refine these but I think once I can I'm somewhere between entry pro/sub-nat. Gotta spam some rising too...
So is rise a back pressure lift with the strap around the top of hand and posting back pressure is a strap around the center of the hand?
Never mind I checked out your channel and seen how you do all the lifts
Thanks a lot. It's very helpful.
Hi, have a small question: did you consider using a strap in back pressure? Or a handle?
With the last back pressure numbers done by Ermes I would add another level in that category 😂
He’s the best at it right now for sure but there aren’t nearly enough at or near that level for another tier.
Love this type of stuff. How do you break it down by weight categories?
Lots of people already asked that in the comments. I don’t break it down by weight categories.
@@ChrisDrummondAW have you come across anything like this, which is split into weight classes?
It would be interesting to get the measurements of top athletes from all weight classes.
@@TuranZeynalliArmWrestling Some people have tried and failed. The fact is the differences across most weight categories is very small and pointless to try to distinguish. Yes there's obviously a trend associated with weight but there's no point in trying do differentiate between the typical 80kg and 85kg armwrestler.
@Chris Drummond do you have this spreadsheet somewhere I can have the link to?
U need to do for 17 years old
Can you post the excel chart? kilos please.
Link to the spreadsheet? Too blurred to read
If you’re watching with too low resolution then it might be but it’s not blurry in the upload. Either way I don’t have it posted anywhere.
Is this a one max rep? Or are these weights what you are suppose to be working out with?
Its one rep max
Is entry level pro good level to start at?
Hi chris, thanks for the video it is very useful, I have a small question: do you think it is possible to get these figures for a different weight category with a proportion calculation?
Thanks again and thanks for your efforts!
This is a common question I get from newer armwrestlers. Once you've been pulling for a few years and you've seen the training from both lighter weight guys and heavier guys you start to realize that the gaps between most weight classes are quite small. If you want some anecdotal data showing that, look at the Latvian team. Janis and Sandris are 35kg apart in weight but their lifts aren't that far apart.
I don't think it's possible to get really accurate data from one class to the next because of the sample size and variation between individual athletes. That's a humongous effort (if the data even exists) and doesn't provide any meaningful benefit; I mean, what's the point of showing a difference of probably only 2% from one class to the next? The strengths across weight classes are closer than most people think.
If you're in a lighter weight class then you can assume a little less than what's written and if you're superheavy you probably should shoot for the higher side of each category but the numbers should be fairly representative for most armwrestlers.
I will note that there's a tangible dropoff in strength below 70kg. Guys weighing 55-70kg usually are considerably weaker than similar-tier guys in the 80-110kg range but again, putting numbers to it is difficult.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Thank you for taking the time to respond, I understand that the numbers are not linear. I still consider these as a useful base even if I am indeed in the -60 kg range
Wow my rise and side are 2-3 tiers behind the others, just barely not weak
Every single one of these lifts are done on a pulley I'm assuming? Because friction makes it harder compared to lifting it from the floor.
It doesn't have to be. Friction is present in every system but it doesn't make or break you. Any halfway-decent system should only be off by a few percent.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Appreciate the response. From my eperience, 40kg from the flor feels way different compared to the 40kg on the pulley
I'm going to order the Mazurenko handle called "HANDLE ECCENTRIC "ULTRA GRIP" - what size should I get? They have 40, 50, 60, and 70mm diameter on the website. Thank you so much for this!
They have a 40 now? 60 will fit most hands but 70 is the one I always use. I have 50/60/70 and now only use the 70.
@@ChrisDrummondAW I have pretty average hands for my height (about 7.5" from wrist crease to middle fingertip) - what size would you recommend me buy if you could?
@@Ninja4Parkour My hands are basically the same. If you want one then get the big one. They’re ok tools but aren’t necessary.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Oh yeah, I understand. Thanks again for the value you're bringing to the community!
Hello ! Where can we find a link to your Excel sheet plz ?
Thank you very much for your work !
I've never posted it anywhere but here in this video.
I’m at the strong pro level in the 176-198 weight classes.
you got a category for under weak lol i need that one
Glad I made it to typical amatuer 😂 i only train at home by myself, inconsistently, so thats where I deserve to be.
Edit: some days I can do 62.5 lbs rise and I cant explain it
Hey man, I'm a little confused about the numbers. Lets take the amateur posting back pressure for example, is it 80-100lbs or 60-80lbs?
The number is just what’s typical for that class. I didn’t put ranges because that muddies the waters even more.
I’m new to armwrestling movements are there videos you recommend that give a good example of how to do these movements
I'm making one.
So I’m looking at these and on a 1:1 pulley my side pressure is stronger than my back pressure which I’m guessing is a problem based on these standards any advice?
Why would it be a problem?
@@ChrisDrummondAW well based on the standards everyone has stronger back pressure than side pressure I’m assuming my back pressure is a weak spot if mine is the other way around
@@ChrisDrummondAW I checked my pulley i used for back-pressure on a crane scale it turns out it was an issue with a ton of friction being generated so they actually are about the same so nvm
Who did you reach out to for this data?
Hes an experienced armwrestling coach, his own estimation I think
Doesn't say how big the wrist wrench is. That's hugely important. Small diameter wrist wrench much easier.
Not that important for straight side pressure where your wrist is already flexed. Very important for movements where the cable is coming towards you.
Trust me, I’ve done the same lift with wrenches from 2” to 3.5” and the difference isn’t that much. Very large are impossible to hold and very small are difficult to apply full power without the wrist or grip failing but any mid-sized wrench will do.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Haven't tried a big one with wrest already fully flexed so you're probably right.
I can't use big wrenches where you start in neutral because wrist hurts but like you said it's flexed already here.
In the video "side pressure challenge" from voice of armwrestling Ray did 150lbs with wrist wrench
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Did he perform the lift the same way you are talking to in this benchmark ?
basically. i don't know if the claimed weight is accurate and they didn't do full reps, just budges, but the technique was fine.
Thanks
But how would be the numbers relative to weightclass? With Which weightclass in mind did you create this? For Example, i am in 85 KG weightclass and just began with training. I assume the numbers then where a bit lower?
Lots of people asked this already. Weight class barely matters. There’s a significant dropoff at 70kg but for most classes the lifts or only off by a couple kilos at most at each level.
Thanks a lot, Chris. I didnt Check the comment section that time, next time i will do that first if a question comes to mind.:-)
If i have bad small wrists than what is my max level would be? i hope sub-national?
That question is impossible to answer. Don’t limit your expectations of yourself.
@@ChrisDrummondAW big thanks
Chris, should a cupped, bicep half curl be a variable?
Definitely not. Bicep strength is poorly correlated to armwrestling ability. Straight backpressure or locked pronation encompass that to a degree but in a much more accurate way.
Appreciate the speedy reply and advice! Thank you
Can you make one of these for female armwrestlers?
I need more data but I’m working on it. I only have solid data for Sarah Bäckman and she’s very special of course so generalizing levels based on her is impossible. Luckily, other ladies are starting to train with me and others are more public about their training so hopefully I can get an idea of what they can do too.
@@ChrisDrummondAW nice I look forward to the video on it
Hey there, what about women standards for aw?? just curious
I was working on it for a bit with Sarah and Egle but there’s a lot of data I’d have to take to stratify like this.
@@ChrisDrummondAW makes sense. Do you think you will be able to make one in a near future?
Not near, no. You can try to make one though.
I have a question
Today i was tired but tried with a friend all of these.
I lift more than him but later in sparring he beat me.
What do you think?
Without seeing you both do the lifts and armwrestle I haven no idea.
@@ChrisDrummondAW thanks 😂 you are right.
I can’t explain.
We did rise back pressure and posting top roll like your o these videos; i did 15% more than him in all lifts
@@Bartz147 There's also setup, body positioning at the table, using frame (this is huge, a weaker opponent can beat a stronger opponent if frame is used correctly), coordination, wrist flexion, technique, and fingers that can affect the match, breakdown how you got beat, practice should be about finding vulnerabilities then patching the vulnerabilities not always who gets the pin.
Do you know Devon's lifts, or an approximation ?
Roughly 80 with riser, 160+ on pronation. Not sure about the other lifts.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Interesting thank you. I'm surprised about both. I would have said more on risers and less on pronation. 160+ is mind blowing...
İt was great the video 👍 very an interesting topic
The weight for eccentric amateur containment is way off.
Care to elaborate? This was very similar to not only my experience but many of my students and countless other armwrestlers.
How would you compare the Wristmax to the Eccentric Handle and which one do you believe is harder?
Same kind of tool. With a given weight the wristmax will be harder since the force is applied further out on your fingers.
Are these reps or max? Shit I'm weak af damn.
1rm
@@ChrisDrummondAW Awesome videos thank you for the break down.
im 15 years old, i did 37kg rise, im really strong im armwrestling, but im not in world level
That would be really strong for 15. You're sure you did that for rise (over the knuckles) and not for some other lift?
i did correctly
@@ChrisDrummondAW im 110 bw
alright well good for you man time to see what you can do with it
Hutchings is 160+ on side pressure.
Not with a wrist wrench. Here's him failing twice with 142.5 th-cam.com/video/DtndIlreZuQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ToddHutchings although I do believe he's gotten up close to 150 before.
@@ChrisDrummondAW - Awww, yeah, the WR decreases numbers significantly. I was just doing side pressure statics with 90lbs and it felt like 130.
Do you have an email where you can be contacted?
chrisdrummond.aw@gmail.com
What would you say the numbers would be for cupping with a cone handle with forearm arm flat on table? Kinda like this th-cam.com/video/Ji1LAXBPGM8/w-d-xo.html
I intentionally stayed away from estimating lifts like that.
So you're saying that for a 14 year old 145lb "typical amateur" is aight?
If you're 14 years old and 145lbs and you're doing the lifts correctly, then yes that's quite good. That row is for amateur adults who have some training and most adults weigh more than 145lbs so if you're able to do that then you're doing well.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Well I do riser the way you do it and Devon and my max was 55lb. Pronation backpressure is 80lb, I don't know why but my pronation backpressure and basic backpressure is the same and I actually feel more comfortable doing the pronated version. I did the lift from the floor and with a pulley system and got the same numbers. I don't have a wrist wrench but I did do 70lb side pressure with my pulley I don't know if you can count it as the same thing but yeah. Thanks for replying!
When Oleg Zhokh did the eccentric handle his hand was super super weak, he made up for it with crazy back pressure to be one of the best pound for pound pullers ever left handed. This is whats so cool about arm wrestling. th-cam.com/video/eElP98k7icA/w-d-xo.html
Lack of weight classes really hinders the credibility of the table you presented. 50 lbs rising for 145 lbs guy is a normal weight to be lifting while getting some medals. However, 60 lbs normal back pressure in comparison is just ridiculously low, same goes for the thumb pronation and wrist wrench side. I find that your rising is too high for the weak and amateur class.
As I've said in a number of other comments, the differences from one weight class to the next are pretty small and I wouldn't want to break it down by weight class just because the lightest armwrestlers will understandably be weaker than a 198lb or 242lb guy. So, I did mention that pullers in 154lb and below can be a row or even two rows below the standards here because there seems to be a steeper strength dropoff there than in the other weight classes. Making a mention of it in the video is a simpler way to address it. There's a lot more work involved in accurately breaking it down by weight class and if someone else wants to go to the lengths to do that, then by all means, I'm sure the community would appreciate it.
Ima typical amateur!
Quite questionable, these lifts do not reflect my level in tournaments and that of the members of my club, they would all be close to your maximum level and in tournaments little is really won.
The lifts themselves don't make you an armwrestler of that level. However if you're saying all your club members are lifting along that top row and they aren't high-level armwrestlers then I have serious doubts about your comment. That top row is very rare so if you have multiple members in your club lifting that (regardless of their success in tournaments) I have a lot of doubt. It's hard to imagine someone with those strengths who can barely win a tournament. If they're not performing the lifts correctly or are only lifting half the weight because of their pulley system then that's a different story. So.... yeah, without proof your comment doesn't mean much. Plenty of high-level armwrestlers have shown their lifts or been measured by Mazurenko and they fit in these categories relatively well. I'd love to see guys in your club with 150lbs of side pressure, 130lb containment on the Mazurenko handle, and 155lbs of pronation fail to win at tournaments.
@@ChrisDrummondAW No brother, you're wrong, I'm from Mexico, in my club we have the current national champion of 95kg, the national champion of 105kg and the second place of 115kg, the place is not clear since I am a super heavyweight and in Mexico there are almost none super heavyweights, in fact in the UALChampionship tournament that was a few weeks ago in California there were several from my club and they finished relatively well in the tournament, one played the final in his weight category against Vrezh, our 95kg champion could not attend And he is our best armwrestler in general, even so, with what they raise and what you say in this table, it represents is not reflected in tournaments of that supposed level. You should make a comparative weight chart based on specific weight categories and lifts, say exactly what variation and in what range of motion because there are many variations and ranges of motion and systems for lifting that weight.
Bro there’s no way. Those top level lifts are huge. 150+ side pressure is absolutely massive. I seriously doubt some joe blow is doing that.
I wholeheartedly disagree. I personally tested isolated rising, and 50lbs is already national champion level at 75kg.
You clearly didn't use the right exercises
Locked riser or doing it from a dumped wrist position? Because I'm talking about the former.
@AstrorumLucet 100% Isolated rising.
One belt around the body and the arm, preventing the use of other muscles.
Second belt in the hand, on the nuckles.
Completely front to the pulley, same height as the hand, and going back.
The most effective rising exercise I have ever found.
I have started testing people and the current record is 31kg lift, from a 100kg "pro" puller
@@justaguyfromreddit So, to be clear, you're telling me my numbers are wrong because they don't match up with the numbers you found while testing a completely different exercise? Lol. Thanks for the laugh.
@@justaguyfromreddit completely different dude