PSA Sports Card Submission Return!🔥Grading Expert Reveals How To Get PSA GEM MINT 10 Grades💥
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2024
- Geoff just got his PSA submission back in the mail and gives you his reaction to what grades he received on some big cards. Plus, Joe Davis from GotBaseballCards gives his opinion on why some cards didn't receive a gem mint 10.
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I have Michael Jordan cards from the 80-90 what are they worth? And who can help me find out really need to know thanks
@@patrickdozier7202 Download the Sports Card Investor app in the App Store, and see if they are in there.
Do you have a link to the magnifying glass you are using?
The people at psa grade base on their mood, it’s evident in this video,
Spoken just like someone who doesn't know how to grade cards and is bitter at the grades he received lol 😆
Don't they go through two sets of graders prior to confirming?
The worse thing about psa they feel the need to charge more because the value of your card. A card is a card
@@millypoo7713 Sounds like the truth anytime a person is involved theirs ba level of opinion and bias involved in every decision they make .
@@likeasoldier What's an alternative price model then? They charge 1 price no matter the value of the card? That number would be much more than the current cost for cheap cards making them not worth grading. Probably would have to be at least $30 a card, probably closer to $40 or $50. Then they would make less money and people would never be able to get cheaper cards graded.
2007 KD Topps 1957-58 variation undervalued 📈
Love when you have Joe on...he is a great guy and his team does an outstanding job.
Thanks so much!
through January and February of this year, 50% of all cards submitted were valued at $50 or less. FIFTY PERCENT! And of that half of all submissions, 30% of those were valued at $25 or less. This is 100% the reason for the huge backlog.
I heard "there may be" and "could get a away with"... PSA is very subjective. This is why HGA now exists. The owner had over 30 9's from PSA... He broke them open, resubmitted... And got back 20 10's. Looking forward to HGA becoming a bigger force in the market.
I know this is an old post but do you have a source for that story? I’d love to see it. Thanks.
that just shows how hga throws out 10s lmao
Dynamic Grading Services is a good card grading service also. I highly suggest checking them out.
Joe nearly died during the yelling intro, LMAO!!
Yeah that intro getting abit old......
From a collector standpoint, I would buy nice 9's instead of 10's, because there is so little difference in quality between a nice 9 and a 10 that we generally can't see the difference without magnification or tilting the card at an angle under a bright light. :)
Yeah, also especially with modern cards the difference between a 9 and 10 depends on how the grader feels that day. That's why I'm looking forward to AI graders like AGS becoming more popular.
So cringe when people refer to/act like PSA 9s as a major disappointment... Its a mint card.
🤣🤣🤣 I was thinking the same thing. WTF is wrong with some people? Even if u r not keeping it, a profit is a profit.
@Smifnwessn but u r still profiting with a 9. Whoever thinks otherwise is thick in the head if not more🤷🏻 U cannot lose money if u r profitting. This is an example of pure greed. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@@Chris-sl1wh maybe Geoff will donate those PSA 9s to his subscribers so he can get rid of them lol
@Smifnwessn doesn’t matter you are still making profit, collectors/investors have it wrong, making $50 off of a $150 is amazing.
The thing is these cards should all be 10s coming out of the pack. We're basically grading to see how we got screwed by the card companies. Lol
If the naked eye can’t see it, what’s the issue? If you need a x10 magnifier to see flaws. That’s kinda lil over the edge. IMO.
Not every card has to be a 10.
Definitely going through Geoff and Joe when I do my 1st ever PSA submission. 1 of the best on here covering sports cards. Thanks Geoff for your work
Select is so undervalued! In general, I love the design, low pop count - and one day the masses will wake up and realize Select is King and prizm will turn into a frog 🐸. I know from an investment opportunity, psa 9 aren’t as valuable as a 10 - but they’re still incredible cards ! Thanks for the video, Geoff!
Yeah select is way nicer. Prizm so boring looking and centering horrible.
I think optic will he king and select right behind it
I suspect that the grading companies 'grade' the submitter before they grade the card. Dealers get 10's and individuals get 9's. That keeps the collectors going to the dealers and makes the hobby stronger by supporting the dealers.
Sounds like a salty submitter
I only have 30 years or so experience. Probably more like ‘pickled’ than than salty. The graded card market runs like an MLM. There will always be more people at the bottom with slabbed cards that they have more invested in than the card will ever be worth. You can’t beat the house, but it is fun to play.
@@jonathancampbell5523 The answer is to quit using PSA. I have not seen that with the other graders. If enough people do that, the playing field will level out, and a 9 or 9.5, from another grader, will equal the value of PSA 10.
Could test that out on this chanel. Submit cards posing as a random collector. Then resubmit as a dealer. If the grades change then you're right.
Would love to see that video
Geoff 1 of your better videos many thanks
The fact that you are both still guessing on what the flaws are screams for a need for subjectivity, consistency, and transparency. I think PSA is watering down the value of 10s because they seem to give so many. Still curious your thoughts on HGA and the idea of technology to grade?
Nah. Nothing wrong with humans grading. Worked for years. HGA just gives every card a 9.5 lol A.I. too harsh on centering IMO.
They showed that the corners and centering play a big role in why some didn’t gem mint. Problem with a lot of chrome cards, especially Panini ones, is surface damage/print lines. Basically impossible to check surface issue of a card in a slab. Since the surface of the slab itself has scratches.
Vintage Card Curator channel does in depth analysis of PSA controlling POP and a variety of other issues.
AI grading services like AGS does seem be the future, especially with how backed up PSA has been. A faster way to grade lower value cards would be nice.
Hey Geoff, what is the brand of that lighted magnifying glass that Joe is using? Would love to get my hands on one...
gotbaseballcards.com/product/horizon-lighted-10x-magnifier/
@@SportsCardInvestor Thanks man
@@Joshystyle You're welcome!
The truth is. We waste a lot of money in this hobby. Its rare that ppl are ever actually up on what they have invested lol. Ussually they have spent a lot more than they ever make back lol
Would love to hear Joes thoughts on the grading of Jerry Rice rookie cards. They are very inconsistently graded.
Joe is one of the best and most knowledgeable guys in the bussiness!
Yeah if it wasn't for centering would have been even better. I also turn the card on its thin edge to inspect them to ensure those corners are not soft, and the edges, especially on older cards.
I'm surprised people still collect jordan cards since he didn't play for the lakers at the end of his career.
Panini and PSA has ruined the hobby.
"I Submitted thru our good friends Bulk Submission, But didn't get them to do their FREE Pre Screen!" 🤣
I call BULLLLLLLL ISSHHH! They even made sure to put 1 lower grade to sell it! Anyway, Nice PSA return! Wish I could hit even %40 Grade 10 on a Submission! Lol
Yes. Thank you!!! I posted the same thing. I agree
Also having a relationship with the company and it's grader's should be a no no could get favorable grades the grader should never who's cards their grading at all in no form these are submit from so and so and their company .
Soooo...basically you all have no idea why you got 9s or 10s. The only thing I learned from this is 2 dudes esentially saying "we don't know" or "I think". No one knows the reason why PSA feels like doing 10s here or 9s there. Also, let's not act like PSA 9s are garbage. Geez...what have we become?
Exactly!
if you pay for the service and joe sees there’s a problem and sends it back do you get your money back?
Awesome Vid Geoff . You got some fire in your hands there . How do you hold it without burning . 😂 Thanks for sharing . I never submitted any cards to get graded yet . I will check out your service . Seems like a win win . Hoping you deal with Canadian collectors . I smashed the like . POW 👊
Just a suggestion for lighting put a light in the middle above camera to fill it out a little more. Each light on the left and right just feels forced.
I'd like to know Joe Davis' GEM Rate (?) Doesn't look like Joe and Team use Gloves to handle or magnifying glasses to inspect.
I've never used gloves. Really isn't necessary if you know what your doing.
Is it me, or was the actual shape of the Coby White off center? For example, the length of the vertical cut on the bottom right looks longer than the bottom left
All of his die cuts are off, that I've seen anyway.
Your table makes every card look like a red prizm.
I'm baffled at the stagnation that still envelopes the comic book industry graded or not. Graded comics haven't moved much at all...when ridiculous Upper Deck cards of comic book characters exploded....that's backwards to me...you can get so many key graded books for $1,000 still that are so much more important and more rare than new Marvel cards or any $1,000 modern sports card it's insane.
I remember having a Jeremy Maclin Certified rc auto quad materials (I think numbered to 10) with a helmet, jersey patch, cleat, and ball...got a bgs 10 despite the raised areas around the helmet and cleat swatches.
50% PSA 10s on 2019 cards when the card stock and quality control at its best. How would you do grading Rookies of Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Iverson, Duncan when the Quality Control was Dog shit?
50 percent on ultra modern isnt great I usually expect 60 plus percent on my bulk orders which I usually get
2020 and 2021 has had bad quality control.
@@Justin_Time_Delivery still shouldn't be hard to get over 50 percent on any ultra modern submission. I usually get 55 to 65 psa 10s on my bulk orders if your getting less then 50 percent you need to be looking at ur cards better
@@PIP-zf9yb yes as long as you are looking them over. But you shouldn't have to go through 10 pack fresh cards to get 1 that is worth grading. That's bad quality control.
@@Justin_Time_Delivery I've never experienced that with any set lol
Lamelo Ball Prizm Draft Pick Crusade Rookies are on fire!!! Every time I see a listing on Ebay that I like someone scoops it up before I can even hit the Buy it Now Button. I think something big is about to go down...
Just make all cards with curved corners like they did 92” Action Packed and curved die cuts like early bowman refractors
Video starts at 3:00
Geoff, I didn't sell a start up for 8 figures. So, I'm not in the same financial situation as you. How can an average person income wise get into cards? GO GATORS!
I bought a bunch of raw vintage cards off of Joe at the last national. I was the tall guy with the red luggage bags lol was there all four days. Great time and hopefully they will be back in July!
Awesome video thanks. Where would one purchase this specific magnifying glass tool and does it have a special name?
When he says he didn’t do his homework when he gets a 9, what is he saying is the alternative? He can’t modify or clean the card. Would he rather have not sent it in if he knew it wasn’t in 10 range?
Same question 🙋🏽♂️
Is it worth grading cards that you know will not get a 10 grade but a good chance of an 8/9 Grade as long as the value covers your investment?
16:18
The cool thing about your service is you ACTUALLY list the lead times. 👍👍👍
Only checked the corners on the 9s? No mention of centering that was clearly off on a few of the 9s, as well as the text alignment on the back was off as well.
I wonder what makes one a sports card grading expert do they go to a college,trade school , apprentice ship? what are they're qualifications and how do they get the qualifications as a professional card grader?
flip a coin, lads on end = 10 tails =9 heads = 8 rolls off table a 7
So you didn't use your own service to pre-screen them and prep? Then want us to? I'm confused. Good info otherwise.
I submitted these cards last year before we had a partnership for Joe's team to offer free pre-screening.
what tool is he using to check the corners?
Sports card investors are the rock stars of the era now. Haha. Girls used to be like you are the singer for a famous band? OMG. Now it's like you have a jordan rookie? OMG
I got 2 and I still can’t get Laid.
@@gjtucker5829 that's funny!!
Geoff, Joe knew but is too nice to tell you while recording, but LeBron didn’t win a championship in 2019. Otherwise nice card, 1st year laker jersey, and nice video overall, should make this a regular segment.
Hga is the next best thing. I'm done with psa
Good luck with that they are a tiny little.company I love the look of there slab but they are a small time operation
@@bobbywest8460 you are a comedians market is the healthiest it's ever been you must be a troll. Hga is operating out of a small little building they have zero chance of overtaking psa that would take years for them to even compete. They have awesome looking slabs and are selling very well because there are so few of them. Psa is so far ahead of everyone else it's a fight for number 2
hope it works out for you
@@basecardcollector1698 gl.to him lol
@@PIP-zf9yb so what if they are new, so far they have had a great repor and I support the hybrid grading system they are using. Definitely changing up the grading market and I hope they keep doing well. Psa and beckett need to step it up and people need to wake up and stop overpaying for poor grading. Psa is only doing well because people are making money off of the psa 10s and maybe 9s. Realistically I'd rather have a bgs 9.5 then a psa 10. If psa didn't have so much hype they would be where they are now. I hope HGA takes over and becomes the next best thing. I see nothing but good reviews so far.
I guess what I don't understand is why anyone would grade rookies that will obviously never amount to anything- that is what I can't wrap my head around in the industry
How does psa feel about print lines on the back of cards? Not the front
I really question some of these grades. One card is slightly off-center and it gets a 9. Another card is slightly off-center and its a 10.
my question isa why doesnt PSA offer the sub grades like beckett does.. I like knowing why a chard is a 10 or a 9.5
The sticker auto of Kevin Porter Jr at 8:19 pretty much sums it all up about today's cards. Sticker Auto and scribble of his initials (not even an auto). Not even sure he signs this scribble as I compare his "Autos" to his "Autos" which are wildly different...even the scribble isn't consistent. Sad situation of modern cards. On a side note, Joe reminds me of Bill Belichick.
"Look for the dots" while considering centering? Please elaborate guys...sorry for the ignorance
You should take high rez photos of your cards b4 sending them in because what if it was a PSA grader that put corner marks on those cards? They're human and handle them outside of their cases so I'm sure they've caused damage themselves sometimes. I've even seen them catch them inside the bottom stoppers of the slab putting a crease in them. So they're a 10 but now have a crease but they still send them back. PSA has been getting some really bad reputation these last few months with some truly insulting grades with ppl breaking out 4s and 5s of amazing looking card with no surface defects and sending them to other really tough companies and getting 8s and 9.5s back. They REALLY need to get their act together as a lot of people are losing faith in them.
Does SCI offer clean and wipe service before submitting?
Geoff, when you say you didn't do a good enough job checking them, when they get a PSA 9. Do you mean you wouldn't have submitted them if you believed they'd grade a 9?
Isn't there still value in a PSA 9?
This man does not care about his consumers bro. Do your own research and you will be MUCH better off. This whole account is a version of the pyramid scheme. Have you ever noticed how Geoff always tell you his investments strategies after the time period has already passed to use them??? Or have you noticed that he tells his whole channel of thousands of people who he is investing in solely because he’s going to make money off of his viewers buying those same investments. This man is a joke and this channel is the definition of cringe.
Today’s cards are too easy to get 10’s. That’s what made the 80’s and 90’s so much fun. It was tough to find a PSA 10.
What is the magnifying tool that the guy is using? Looking to invest in a nice handheld loop
may we know the name or where can we buy the magnifying tool he used in the episode? TIA
I Believe it’s called a loupe. They’re on Amazon
@@wolfmancollects2265 Thanks brother!
gotbaseballcards.com/product/horizon-lighted-10x-magnifier/
If you would have know those 9's wouldn't be 10's would you still have sent them in for grading? I cannot believe they still can't get the centering right on every card, especially given the prices on a lot of these packs.
Enjoyed the video. Would love to see something similar but with vintage cards if possible
Imagine opening all of that wax behind them
and pulling nothing
PSA gives everything a 10 but they throw in a weak grade to make it seem legit. Good luck waiting 8 months to flip a card for $20
Thats not true at all dude. it depends on the grader. I just got back 8 cards, 7 nines and a 10. the nines could all have gone tens. There is literally nothing wrong with them.
What is that magnifying tool you guys are using?
It is known as a magnifying "glass."
I have dozens of psa 10s that are off centered.. and that have whiting on a back corner... lets just admit we dont know why your card got a 9... instead of ohhhh.... that tiny white dot under a magnifying glass... i mean come on.. honesty first!
I learned nothing from this video.
Yep It's called that good old PSA pop control!
Dude clearly scamming, every card that got a bad Grade, his first response was it's the corner 😂 like c'mon man everytime it's the corner 👎
I wait for the day my daughter wakes up and wants to come home I would leave that minute for a 10 hour drive to get her. I wouldn’t wait 2 hours let alone 2 weeks.
We the adress the psa grading where let me post the cards ?
Did you ever get back your 88 fleer basketball cards???
Question for the grading services. Does Joe and his team do crossovers? And if a card just needs cleaned, is that covered free, or is there a charge for that?
Geoff, great video - one question regarding PSA for which I haven’t gotten a consistent answer to - and have had inconsistent grading results: does the presence of a hologram/sticker on the back of the card (ie Steiner, Fanatics, PsA, Beckett Witnessed or the player’s own respective company) impact the card’s grade? For several months PSA said it would not and I received many 9’s to back that up on vintage cards. In the last couple months the story changed and was told it would dock by a numeric grade and my last batch of cards reflect that too (unfortunately all 8’s). Any insight or thoughts from your PSA experience?
I'm sure it's explained but do I just send the cards to you and you guys prep the cards before they go to psa or do I have to do the prepping before I send to you?
PSA really does have an ugly product. It does no justice to those cards. HGA is such a better product for these new generation of cards,imo.
Everyone needs to watch this before sending in cards. Thanks for posting!
You said kabengele is not known but I know him personaly
Looked like that 9 brandon Clark was off center as well.🤔🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️ Check it again..
They can't even catch obvious alteration, and have given number grades to thousands of altered/recolored cards. The assigned grades mean nothing.
I have a question when I send in my cards can I mixed Pokémon cards with baseball card or just one type of trading cards
Will psa or bgs clean the cards for you.. just wondering
No. They should though if they're encapsulating it.
HGA, Here I come!
Any tips on cards with white borders? Like a 1991 Hoops Michael Jordan base?
How many time return your cards ?
So if you knew these would be 8 or 9 you would not have sent them in ?
You said you can get us better pricing than if we go straight through PSA but your prices are higher than theirs 😂
PSA=Ford BGS=Chevy HGA=Toyota CSG=Tesla
That Lebron select company silver is a sexy $500 card🔥
Hey, Geoff this was a fun video. Did you ever submit all those 88-89 Fleer Jordans and Pippens you pulled from that box last year? Did I miss the reveal on that?
Sometimes the grading is valuable even without getting a 10. the card will be protected from further damage in the future!
Man I'm glad at least I know that print lines will keep a card from Getting a 10 I have a few jalen hurts that go for decent money at a 10 but some have dimples and some have print lines in the back
Mosaic Is Infamous For Printing Lines!
Does anyone know if PSA grades older cards on a different scale the new one? The reason I ask is I see tons of 86 tops traded Barry bonds and anything in that mid to late 80s that grade a 10 but are clearly not 10
Have you heard of the new grading company PSA? They grade with AI and can give very accurate grading with low turn around time, even at the lowest price point.
what magnifying glass was he using?
Joe looks like a cool guy
Rookie mistake, if you are going to send in cards for grading get at least a 5X loupe. If you can see
it`s not centered do not send it. Also I guess Panini cards are your thing for BB, as I didn`t see any other brand.
I have not used grading services in 10 years. Price of boxes are extreme and all the companies have "insert" cards.
What box did you open to get rare cards like these that are number like 1 of only 10 made?
Hi Geoff,
Is it possible to send for grading here from Australia, I get the turn around would be massive but just thought I’d ask, great channel mate🙂
I have a question about putting cards in top loaders before grading. 10 years ago I got some graded from psa and just put them in card savers and that's all they wanted them to be in. Now I see people are putting them in soft sleeves first. I thought psa literally cut the edges of the top loader to get the cards out. It seems to me a bigger chance for damage putting them in soft sleeves first. Any opinion is welcome.