I Was Challenged to a $5,000 Grading Battle! 🤯
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The grading company’s should each have an on-going series where they grade cards and give their explanation like this. It was very informative. I don’t think they should hide the reasons cards get certain grades - I understand if they don’t have to give feedback on every single card b/c of time but monthly specials like this to teach us would be awesome. If SGC does this on on-going basis I will definitely be more likely to go with them over PSA
Great idea!
Same here
Going to get a few graded by them in two Sundays from now
You do know they are private businesses
So do you demand McDonald’s make your food in front of them?
Ultimately 1 person- 1 profession grader- whatever that is - and humans mean human judgement- and opinion. I am betting it all the top graded silvers of these rookies across the board- they gem 10 so much the value will plummet. A Herbert rookie $10,000? How can that go up ?
I will admit I will stick to whatever is selling for more and PSA is clearly selling higher
I love SGC and how their whole operation works, and have supported them for all my submissions. Much more reasonable pricing and quicker turnaround. These guys are monsters in the grading industry.
It was truly amazing shooting this video! Huge thanks to the SCI and SGC teams for organizing all of this. It was a dream come true to be able to give back to the hobby community, so make sure to stay tuned for the sequel!!!
Great work, Cameron!
@@t-pott4504 Thank you, sir!
Thank you SGC for being transparent with your grading process.🙏
The most significant Public Relations event for a card grading company. Illuminating and humanizing the grading process for a segment that views the process with fear and suspicion is brilliant marketing. Putting a more human face to a procedure that can seem arbitrary and unknowable in a "black box" kind of way helped me to choose SGC for grading my collection. Having well-spoken and calm representatives to explain the process really sealed the deal for me. I don't own a tuxedo - but now everyone in my collection rocks one~!
Amazingly insightful! I love the behind the scenes of SGC. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I've run a printing press for the last 20+ years and I loved hearing the registration references 👍I see a lot of high graded cards that are out of register and it really bugs me. SGC gained a lot of respect from me today.
Love to see graders explain grades. Good show. SCI killing it in 2023.
Thanks!!
Those rough cut edges are authenticity indicators. Some cards are cut with a wire from the factory and that’s were those edges come from. This is why you send vintage to SGC, they get it.
Yeah and get a false high grade. I’ve dealt in O Pee Chee vintage hockey cards for 30 years and those were actually cut with wires, it shouldn’t be a free pass to get a high grade where the cards that were actually cut normally with smooth edges should be getting the high grades and premiums. That’s why people prefer SGC for vintage because they give out high grades to cards that are poorly cut or off center because “well that’s typical” I hope they never buy a car that has consistent problems and then try and get their money back from the dealership and have them get told “sorry that’s just how they typically are built”
I love the transparency with SGC. I would love a series with grading companies to see how they feel about cards and give us a run down on what and why certain cards get their grades. It was informative with the old cards cause how common for example the fraying on the edges and such.
Can't wait to see the Palm Beach Haul and the kids' reactions. Great job by SGC
I really like Sgc. Especially vintage cards look great in the tuxedo slab. Their grading as been very consistent when I've used them.
This is a must see for any collector. Different cards are judged on their own merit. If a card came from the factory a certain way that is taken into consideration and the card is graded accordingly. So cool! Cheers!!!
That’s false grading then. A 1979 Ozzie Smith rookie card is usually off center but that shouldn’t be a free pass to a high grade. There are plenty of them out there well centered and why the premium should be attached to an actual high grade card. Same with the Molitor/Trammell rookie in 1978 where a lot of them have the ink smudge.
@@carolinatarheels7903 In the case of your example, I wouldn't think those cards would be given a free pass. Those are cards with problems.
@@don951 that's my point but the Ozzie Smith rookie is notoriously off-center. Based on what SGC is saying then yes it would be okay to get a high grade as that is how they were printed.
Awesome video! Giving us a peek of what SGC really looking into. It seems that they do care more about centering. Looking forward to more of these. It's extremely helpful for grading service selection. Thanks for nice content again.
Wish all of their cards had graders notes
It’s a simple thing like this that will win over the grading community. Well done SGC ! You have my business from now on 💪
That was cool. Love the giving back
Now it's PSA TURN
These grades were ridiculously high compared to what they normally do
Exactly, I’ve gotten cards out of packs that wouldn’t get an SGC 8 and don’t have frayed edges.
@@carolinatarheels7903 you frayed edges are how ALL the cards in the set were cut. 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤔
@@ryanra44 Riiiiggghht. Then my 1956 Topps cards that aren't frayed must be SGC pristine gold labels then
@@carolinatarheels7903 I guess all of mine are over graded by 3-5 points then. I love know it alls
@@ryanra44 pot meet kettle
This is amazing content well done to SCI and SGC
Thanks!
Neither one of these guys need 5k charity the viewers do!
I couldn't agree more, and I'm the dude in the red polo 🤣 That's why we gave it all away to awesome people at the Palm Beach Card Show! Stay tuned for the sequel!
What? They gave it away. This is awesome!
This sways me towards getting my cards graded with these guys
Great transparency
Great video
The best video Geoff has ever done. Cameron challenge Geoff double or nothing. Continue the great work SGC.
Oh man, double or nothing 🤔
Now you got me thinking.
This was fun! And I love SGC!
Great video. Love the incite on the grades, especially the vintage. I wish the vintage I send to SGC would grade this well. LOL
Great Video! Loved the insight
No this is the stuff I like to see. More meaningful than predicting future trends. Thx
more of these types grading of vids pls!
One of your better videos
T206 card looks like Rudolph Hess
Great video - very helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
SGC 🔥 🔥 🔥!!!
Awesome SGC!!
Awesome video very insightful
This is new and Awsome !!!!
Great video!
The Snider fraying you refer to is a rough cut. Not fraying. You need to take that into account because a lot of those old Topps cards came that way.
Yet a lot came cut normally and why that card shouldn’t be anywhere near an 8.
I'd like to see two or more SGC graders grading the same set of cards to see any variances between grades. I often wonder if it's the luck of the draw on what person is doing the grading, or what day the grading takes place. I assume there are pretty rigid standards.
OK, I have a question guys and they slightly touched on it in the beginning of your video. I've been looking at alot of base Panini Prisms lately and it seems Panini has struggled with their centering. My question is when I find that card that has that perfect 50/50 centering on the front but the back has the less then desirable 60/40 what type of deduction would you expect if any? SGC commented that the front obviously get most of the attention. I'm just wondering if I'm wasting my time trying to find that perfectly centered front/back card when it actually might not matter as much as I think it does. Thanks.
Amazing...I could even afford to go to a huge show like that someday!
Nice combover!
That’s a sweet Tim Keefe
I had an immediate emotional attachment to it 🤣 Felt different than any card I've ever held.
@@bigc7_cards Keefe is also in the Goodwin Champs and Allen & Ginter. HOF & Triple Crown winner. OJs are awesome: Non Sports, Cricket, Boxing, and Baseball. Although Cricket is almost impossible to find
SCI with the innovative content!
17:36. Saw that “3” peeking.
This is cool man!
I want to see you do a video with the chasing cardboard guy & kurts card care
Love the Video and learning some from the head graders. my question is, grades are depending on which grader gets them; i see that as a flaw in the system. i would love to see those 2 gentleman grade the exact same cards as you did and compare notes as well. with some of these cards the difference between a 9 and a gm Mint 10 could be thousands. but that all depends on which grader gets those cards. is that serious enough to move to the incoming AI inspection process thats starting to hit the hobby?
Why were they allowed to touch the card with their bare hands
The way Geoff handles cards he should never be allowed near any more raw ones ever again.
I would like to be part of a grading team like SGC. but in my country lol when they are ready to go international to Latin America.
Goofy riggity roo grading battle💀💀💀
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Fun video. Great luck in Palm Beach
Thanks!
Appreciate it!!! Palm Beach Show vid just dropped!
I have always felt that SGC cards are graded very well
Awesome
Sounds like a SGC loan.
Here’s where everyone yells at me for being negative, for me questioning why no gloves? I don’t care how well you wash your hands, could get oil on the card right before encasing, I only use SGC btw…golden hands?! 🤓🤷♂️
Solid video
Makes me consider sending in some of my O-Pee-Chee hockey cards to SGC which always used to come with rough edges (talking about 1970s & 1980s), now that I know that SGC doesn't deduct for that when the set commonly comes that way.
And that’s the problem. People see this now and get false high grades. It’s why Beckett Vintage Grading went in the crapper. They did the same thing and the cards sell for a fraction of an actual BGS or PSA slab.
@@carolinatarheels7903 I definitely get where you are coming from. I was feeling bad for myself for collecting OPC cards all those years, both packs and factory sets, and without fail they had rough edges, every card, every year. For a minute I convinced myself, even before this video, that grading companies should allow for rough edges when every card comes that way from the manufacturer. But then it quickly goes down a slippery slope with sets that are notoriously off-centered or print lines or whatever other imperfections. So I guess I'm back to not grading those cards
Do you think I should grade my bobby Witt jr blue refractor auto?
Excellent video Geoff, very interesting. Let’s see more of these!
Thanks, will do!
So just because prizm has bad centering one year shouldnt mean you should give a card a 10 becuase its better centered than normal. If the product has bad qc then it has bad qc! If its "common" for panini to print trash cards then all panini cards should be graded more lightly? I dont understand this approach
No, what he was saying is that most of 2020 Prizm was off center and doesn’t grade real well. To find a truly centered card was a diamond in the rough, he was giving the card a compliment.
SGC all the way!! Great team!😎
Bro gave that Chase an 8.5 based off two little tiny dots... thank God he's not a card grader
This is an issue though. There is probably many “Cameron” graders in the business. That is why consistency in practice is SO important.
One day One Card grading will be king. I’m holding and waiting for the future.
Great win, Geoff! Great video idea, too! Thanks.
What is your favorite card in your collection?
One of my favorite SCI videos so far!
kids head blew up at 722
Maybe you could partner with jabs family or Stryker breaks?
Well we saw multiple surface issues but we're still going to give it a 10 🤦
Cause either needs $5000… why not give it to a listener
Agreed 100%. Even better, they should have gone to the Palm Beach Card Show right around the corner from SGC and given it all away to kids and amazing people in the hobby! 😉
Stay tuned for the sequel 🙏
I find it wild that "because a lot of cards in this series are quite poor" we don't subtract from it. Are all grading companies so relative to the series? Feels like poorly printed sets should all have low grades ?
You have to consider how they were made -- how they came new from the factory -- and in what era. This is true for other collectibles as well. You wouldn't grade a card made in 1940 the same you would a current modern card. Technology has completely changed. That being said, there are some cards where no perfect card was made according to graders. So, they do seem to adjust if they feel it is still not solid for that era, even if no better card exists. Professional graders really have to know their stuff. And grading is subjective. Cheers!
But they should, that’s the problem with SGC and their vintage grading. “Well we’ll just ignore all of this damage and give it an 8” That’s false grading. You could also make the point that well this card was in a shoe box getting carried around for 10 years because that’s what kids did back in the day. Would you buy a new car that had problems with it and then when you went back to the dealer and told them you wanted your money back and they told you “no, because that’s how they were all built with that flaw” Highly unlikely.
cool video!
Hey SGC need a grader lol also Mr. Willson do you have cards for sale
Just got my 2nd Gold Prizm #6 out of 10 Trae Young Mosaic!!! Beautiful card! My 2nd Gold Prizm, My first was a week ago a Scotty Barnes #4 of 10 his jersey number and autograph, sending it in to PSA its on its way and my Trae Young is right behind it!!!
Geoff you better hand those cards out.
SGC is legit man. PSA who? Lol
Come on Geoff, start adding SGC and BGS cards to your "hot list". Stop only showing pricing for PSA slabs.
The reason we show psa on the weekly top 5 is solely based on sufficient sales volume to generate trend lines.
they just giving out gems over in miami i guess
Literally just someone's opinion.
how much is deducted because geoff didnt know john mcgraws first name
Just goes to prove grading is humanly subjective. I bet any decently nice card has a +/- of 1.5 at the same company depending on who you get as a grader that day .
Absolute joke of a grading company
SGC lapping the field in all categories these days
I’m really not happy with that first 10. A 10 means it’s perfect, with no to highly unnoticeable damages. That card had very obvious defects, so it didn’t deserve a 10
Well that is why I don't understand prices of graded cards, you are relying on another human judgment. You can see just in this video the differences between human judgment!!!
I like SGC except for the 2-10s they have in their grading. 10 Pristine or 10 Gem. if it’s a 10 just put a 10 on the grade. Makes the gem 10 seem like it’s not really 10 since there is a grade higher.
SGC will be the superior grading company in years to come, the values from PSA and SGC are similar I love SGC and I prefer them more than Any other grading company..
SGC 💪🏽📈📈📈
hAHA just joking great job on the video
I thought SGC really graded the vintage cards a lot better than this but after seeing this video it seems like they are just a glorified Beckett Vintage Grading that gives you a high grade because these cards “typically come this way” That’s not a good reason and a false high grade then. There are plenty of high grade PSA vintage cards that are graded strict and not an 8 with fraying on the edges. The whole point of getting a high grade is that you own a card that didn’t get caught in the printing press or towards the end of the run when the blades were getting dull. A damaged card is still a damaged card and this seems like a cheap way to get a high grade. It’s why Beckett Vintage Grading cards sell for a lot less than their actual BGS and PSA counterparts.
No way that Jamarr was given to me by sgc 😮
I did not understand the scoring
First and foremost...
Big props to SGC and Geoff/SCI for this great and informative look into the grading process. This is what the experts call "transparency" in regards to the card grading industry.
I was already a huge SGC/Peter supporter. This just cements my feelings for SGC. Thankyou and keep up the good work.
BTW...
Fukk the haters. Love him or hate him...Geoff is a huge part of the hobby. And that's a good thing.
🤝
Seems like they are not as anal as PSA. They understand that EVERY card is going to have some kind of flaw.
Geoff should’ve went up to 6 points with the Brett, not a 5.5. Added 1 instead of 1.5
I noticed that too
i hope doug grades my cards
hahaha
😮
Sport card investor Im going to the national to meat you with some Tim Tebow cards I will have a Josh Allen jersey
See you there!
Kids wowed by 5k lol
So you have friends at PSA and friends that grade them..🤔
The video is good except it is an advertisement for SGC. It would be amazing if there could be an actual grading summit that all of the companies send their top graders to. They could compare notes and maybe come up with some kind of industry standards. It will never happen but it is nice to dream.
The professional grading world for a particular collectible is pretty small really. It is not uncommon for graders to move from company to company in their career. So, I think they are more similiar than you might be thinking. It is not like there are any secrets. Cheers!
@@don951 you are missing the point. The point is there is no set industry standard of what each grade should be. PSA allows 60/40 front centering for a 10 and other companies would knock that down to a 9.5 or a 9. SGC allows a white corner or two sometimes for a 10 and other companies would call it a 9.5 or a 9. It shouldn’t matter which company you send your card to, it should grade the same but it doesn’t. Most of the big companies don’t tell you why your card graded the way it did. Why is that a secret? They obviously had notes on the card and probably put them in a database.
A lot of people will crack out the card and resubmit the card with a different company (or even the same company) because they felt it should have graded higher.
Another secret, why is it so hard to get a BGS 10 (not a black label) when they use a similar scale to everyone else but everyone else’s 10 rate is substantially higher.
Another secret, Why is the PSA 10 rate on a 1989 Ken Griffey Jr so low when all of the other cards in the set have a significantly higher PSA 10 rate?
Many new sets come out every month, how is each company grading known printing defects? I think a meeting of the minds on a conference call could flesh out that one.
Most of these companies, especially PSA, have no interest in educating the people in the hobby. The ambiguity of the grading scale just helps their bottom line. If everyone graded the same, then the value of the card in any slab would be the same across the board. This would kill PSA’s market share as people would make the decision who to grade with based on factors other than getting the highest resale value. Factors like turn time, customer service, or customer experience, which PSA is bad at, would be key for survival.