ah... but not correct. Returning a creature IS the cost... which is why you can do some INSANE shenanigans with Ninjutsu... For example in Pauper... you can return multiple creatures to hand with only one ninja... this actually becomes super relevant for recursive value on things like Spellstutter Sprite... you can return 2 unblocked Spellstutters with only 1 ninja in hand.@@liammclin5722
Something I wish could catch on is calling fetching for a shock and having it enter untapped "bolting in" (because 3 Dmg) just like we say "shocking in"
Counter spell is a 2 blue mana spell that is usually cast on the 2nd or 3rd turn. The average mana value of the target of the counter is 2.5 by this logic. So 2.5 divided by 2 is equal to 1.25 or 3.25. Since these aren't whole numbers we have to round down to 3. So counter spell is technically a lightning bolt.
Wow, that was way better than I expected. I love seeing what players make equivalent and taking that to an extreme here, I am now convinced lightning bolt is not a lightning bolt.
Which if no cards are lightning bolts, then we need to reevaluate what exactly is considered a lightning bolt, meaning that lightning bolt is once again a lightning bolt, and we can then use that basis to evaluate other cards to see if they are also lightning bolts
My favorite Lightning Bolt is Worldspine Wurm. It’s 11 mana, but it’s a 15/15, so when I hit my opponent with it, that’s 15 life. Then my opponent plays a removal spell, and between the removal card and its mana cost, that’s like 3 life’s worth. Then, I get 3 5/5 tokens, and I attack with them, so that’s a total of 33 life, 11-mana, 33 life, it’s basically just bolting my opponent 11 times
So if Lightning Bolt is only worth 2 life, it’s a 1 mana spell that takes away 2 life, which is a safe rate to print in standard. Therefore Bolt is perfectly fine to print into standard.
So everything is lightning bolt except lightning bolt, but if lightning bolt isnt lightning bolt, therefore it doesnt exist. Meaning nothing can be lightning bolt, turning lightning bolt back into lightning bolt. Which then makes it so everything but lightning bolt is lightning bolt, but...
I lost 3 minutes and 46 seconds of my life watching this. Since 4 is less than 5, the 3min-46sec rounds down to 3 minutes and we don't round the 6 seconds because double-rounding is sus. So we rounded down to 3 minutes of my life lost watching this. This means I lost 3 life for 1 click which is worth 1 mana when converted. In summary, I came here and lost 3 life for 1 mana which makes this video a Lightning Bolt 👀
They actually aren’t the same because they aren’t lighting bolt. To be the same thing you would have to be the original and everything you said in this video is false.
I think this is how my friends feel when I explain magic to them.
An interesting evolution of the “every effect is kicker (or horsemanship)” argument
Both of these realizations have completely ruined my life and I only play lands now.
Sadly that argument is obviously false. Things like ninjutsu are fundamentally not kicker.
@@rebelresource if you pay the kicker cost the creature can replace an unblocked attacker
@@alexsolomon9665Hope you don’t play MBFCs which basically have kicker
ah... but not correct. Returning a creature IS the cost... which is why you can do some INSANE shenanigans with Ninjutsu... For example in Pauper... you can return multiple creatures to hand with only one ninja... this actually becomes super relevant for recursive value on things like Spellstutter Sprite... you can return 2 unblocked Spellstutters with only 1 ninja in hand.@@liammclin5722
Designers at Wizards let out a collective sigh of relief with the conclusion. Their secret philosophy is safe. For now😂
Lightning Bolt is just an above rate card
Something I wish could catch on is calling fetching for a shock and having it enter untapped "bolting in" (because 3 Dmg) just like we say "shocking in"
Ah yes, the Lightning Bolt Alignment Chart
The mental gymnastics are real with this one
This is just another level of "Every card is just Kicker...
...and Horsemanship"
POV your friend just read The Philosophy of Fire
Still waiting to see how Counterspell is basically just Lightning Bolt. 👀
Counter spell is a 2 blue mana spell that is usually cast on the 2nd or 3rd turn. The average mana value of the target of the counter is 2.5 by this logic. So 2.5 divided by 2 is equal to 1.25 or 3.25. Since these aren't whole numbers we have to round down to 3. So counter spell is technically a lightning bolt.
It’s a lightning bolt that stops lightning bolt for 2 mana.
And this is why logical doesn't always mean correct
Wow, that was way better than I expected. I love seeing what players make equivalent and taking that to an extreme here, I am now convinced lightning bolt is not a lightning bolt.
You are technically correct, which is the BEST kind of correct!
Every card is lightning bolt except lightning bolt which is shock
I feel like I've learned so much, but lost so many brain cells while doing so that it balances out.
This video is amazing.
“Basically” is doing some Atlas level lifting here
But if Lightning Bolt is not Lightning Bolt then that’s a contradiction and then that means all the other cards in Magic aren’t Lightning Bolts either
Now thats what I call... a Shock
@@lancelot717 underrated comment ^^
Which if no cards are lightning bolts, then we need to reevaluate what exactly is considered a lightning bolt, meaning that lightning bolt is once again a lightning bolt, and we can then use that basis to evaluate other cards to see if they are also lightning bolts
This is such an easy explanation of the philosophy of fire, I love it.
Dave always delivers. Love to see it. I would love to see more of these
From the same creators of "Every pokémon move is dig"
Unsure what Dave consumed the day he made this video but we need a breakdown. I need to find a way to reach this level of thought process.
As a Burn player, I could not approve more
Average red player logic
That last one was definitely a Shock.
It's just kicker.
And that’s how you talk yourself out of a sale.
This has the same energy as "the square hole" video. Goblin brain is here for it.
Everything must be a shock
This means if I cast Meddling Mage naming Lightning Bolt the opponent can't play any cards. Except for Lightning Bolt, apparently.
Delver of secrets is the true lightning master.
Casts a lightning bolt every turn.
My favorite Lightning Bolt is Worldspine Wurm. It’s 11 mana, but it’s a 15/15, so when I hit my opponent with it, that’s 15 life. Then my opponent plays a removal spell, and between the removal card and its mana cost, that’s like 3 life’s worth. Then, I get 3 5/5 tokens, and I attack with them, so that’s a total of 33 life, 11-mana, 33 life, it’s basically just bolting my opponent 11 times
Damn, Dave figure out the secret to my Ooops! All Lightning Bolts! deck.
It wasn't even lightning bolt in the first place wow
So that would mean Grizzly Bears is a lightning bolt, therefore Snug is a lightning bolt.
Snug says he can't argue with that logic
I just got back from watching a youtube poop, And now this feels like a youtube poop as well...
8thPlaceDave: Where the Bird Bolts You
The greatest mono-red philosopher in history.
If we examine Treasonous Ogre we can, in fact, confirm that 1 mana = 3 life. The math checks out.
8PD always brings me joy.
I literally can't argue with this guy. My next deck tech video just got so much easier. 😊
Are we also saying that Vegeta and the Digimon are also Lightning Bolts? Because I'm fine with this.
So if Lightning Bolt is only worth 2 life, it’s a 1 mana spell that takes away 2 life, which is a safe rate to print in standard. Therefore Bolt is perfectly fine to print into standard.
That's why people play burn in legacy you just play lightning bolt
Waaaay too much thought went into that preordain logic😂
If Preordain is that logic, then what logic works for Opt?
No, no. He's got a point. The math checks out on this one.
Séance is just lightning bolt because it:
So everything is lightning bolt except lightning bolt, but if lightning bolt isnt lightning bolt, therefore it doesnt exist. Meaning nothing can be lightning bolt, turning lightning bolt back into lightning bolt. Which then makes it so everything but lightning bolt is lightning bolt, but...
Yup, he did the math
Don’t forget and basically everything key word is kicker…
Everything that isn't LBolt is LBolt.
yep. makes perfect sense to me
Is hasep oasis a lightning bolt
Is lightning bolt kicker?
TIL...well, not sure what I learned.
You missed me at thoughtsieze
Finally someone gets it.
what about shock
Also a bolt
@@8thPlaceDave bolt has 3 shock has 2. Elaborate
What if they made phyrexian mana cost 3 life instead of 2?
I cant disagree
The philosophy of fire! (Kinda)
I can dig this.
my mouth dropped as this man somehow connected the dots for the preordain segment. and actually mathed it out. wow, good job
My...god...it's all true
Uhm actually kuz made my steamkin a 2/2 off rip so everything was more like lightning axe
Is Hashep Oasis a Lightning Bolt?
I absolutely loved this video
Modern day philosophy
So Lightning Bolt is Shock, but is Shock a Lightning Bolt?
if you're on the draw, yes, but only if you tape two shocks together
Hahaha, made me chuckle
Nono he got a point
okay blud explan to me how telepathy is a lightning bolt
This is so good
So lightning bolt is a shock ???
The math checks out
Holy shitpost, batman!
Boy Math
Lightning bolt downgrades to shock when on the play
feels like a Peladophobian video
Make sense😅 mtg inception😂 amazing
I lost 3 minutes and 46 seconds of my life watching this.
Since 4 is less than 5, the 3min-46sec rounds down to 3 minutes and we don't round the 6 seconds because double-rounding is sus. So we rounded down to 3 minutes of my life lost watching this. This means I lost 3 life for 1 click which is worth 1 mana when converted.
In summary, I came here and lost 3 life for 1 mana which makes this video a Lightning Bolt 👀
I think I have a learning disability
They actually aren’t the same because they aren’t lighting bolt. To be the same thing you would have to be the original and everything you said in this video is false.
Everything's kicker
FACE IS THE PLACE