I once read the AK-47 silencer manual. The manual was for the armed forces of the People's Republic of Poland. There, too, it was written about the need for special ammunition or a reduction in the amount of gunpowder in a normal cartridge. As far as I remember, a different sight was added to the silencer to be mounted on the weapon. The manual also pointed out that a notebook with the number of shots recorded must be added to each silencer, and when the notebook is not there, the user must visually assess the wear of the rubber. The manual said that a shot with such a silencer sounds like the sound of a dry branch breaking.
I wonder if AK-47 would cycle with subsonic ammo... And if it does, I imagine the clanking of metal parts would be a bit more noticeable than a dry branch breaking (at least in my experience, on an AK-74 the sound of the bolt dropping is quite loud)
@@MrCh0o A very valid point, that's why the communist army, when making a pistol with a silencer, made a lock on the bolt - as long as you pulled the trigger, the bolt couldn't go back, then you had to manually pull it back. I know the MP5 submachine guns also had an option to lock the movement of the mechanism when you fired with a silencer. I have no idea how it was with the AK-47. Maybe they were blocking the bolt handle with some kind of string so that it couldn't go back?
Making the reproductions with the internal threading backwards is a nice touch. You want it to fit in place and look like the original but anybody that has read a book on the subject can easily tell them apart upon examination.
Plus the whole end-user ergonomics deal of most people being used to right-hand threads. Because it's unashamedly a repro you can make some changes to the design to be more useful to the modern customer.
Excellent video. In the emergency procedure of throwing away 2/3 of the gunpowder, it strikes me that the volume thrown away is not replaced by cotton or something similar. Very low charges have pretty random effects from a misfire to a kaboon. Greetings from Argentine Patagonia.
It's possible that they tested this procedure and found it to not be dangerous. There is probably enough powder in it with a 1/3 charge to prevent or mitigate the situation where a detonation would happen.
If I did this I would definitely pack the casing with some fiber. The problem with very low charge weights is that you expose way more surface area of the powder to the primer detonation, whereas if it was a full charge, only what is pressed up against the primer is exposed to the detonation and the flame front travels through at a predetermined rate giving you reliable pressure curves. I used to make some really small gallery loads with .32 S&W using 1 grain of Bullseye and one 0 buck sized pellet (.32 caliber). I always used a sharpened casing to cut card stock plugs of paper that were then jammed into the casing to keep all of the powder to the rear. Never had any problems doing that.
@@bulukacarlos4751 Whatever rifle powder they were using probably behaved drastically different in this situation to the relatively much faster burning pistol powders used in .357.
It was actually used with Nagant revolver as well, its overcomplicated design allowed to use a supressor on it. Probably the only model of the revolver that could be effectively supressed.
Hello Ian! I appreciate your work and hope to meet you if you ever stop by New Hampshire again. I hope that Jim will have you over again to film more of his collection.
I love the Soviet strategy: Make one thing that is ggood enough, and mass produce it. But if there's a way to simplify it, then make it so and mass produce the new cheaper and simple thing.
@@americameinyourmouth9964 they do have i in cyrillic. Just not in Russian. I didnt want to correct him on the i cus it felt too nitpicky. The phonetical representation of the letter is close enough
@@Beyondzworld True in Ukrainian and Belarusian. But Ian just wanted to make a cool looking English version of BraMit by making БяaMiт instead of БраМит.
Famous Russian proverb: "The Best is the enemy of Good Enough" I imagine State Security would not be very happy with soldiers bringing suppressors home...
There are some funny rules and guidelines to follow. Something tells me military equipment is designed to be as simple and easy to figure out as possible. Almost as if you'd want a soldier to be able to pick it up and actually use it.
The silencer was designed by only one brother - Ivan Mitin. He named the silencer "BraMit" (Brothers Mitin) in honor of the executed brother. His first silencer he designed for criminal activities. He dragged his younger brother Vasily into criminal activity. As a result, in 1933 they were arrested (not for the first time). Both were sentenced to death. But since the older brother, Ivan, was a talented designer, his sentence was commuted to 10 years in prison.
About the thumbnail: a pet peeve of mine is when people take scripts like Greek or Russian and use them for aesthetics without doing it properly. For example, the characters used here spell biaamit, not bramit
High power rifle and silencer Normal ammo only benefit hide where shot is fired. Sound is still noticeble. But a bit stealth. Sub sonic is quite silent. Max range 300m. So rifle CQB range only. Fast Fire rate. Barrel heat’s much faster. And accuracy point of impact starts to travel
+1 Ian for having balls and showing the screwing/workings of the suppressor...especially after all the other channels have faced the naz-is at YT over it.
he deleted and reuploaded this video now because of that. "This video is being reposted, because I deleted it proactively to avoid getting a TH-cam strike for showing the attachment of a silencer."
About the subsonic bullet, I was searching for it information after I after I read the PKM manual book made by US intelligence in 1979. It's mentioned as "low velocity bullet" with 40gr of charge. And I was thinking "What's it for" The description of it, as entire green bullet, match a bullet information I found. It has green rim too, and later just the tip and the primer. But the powder charge is just 8gr. Normal 762 rim bullet has 49-50 gr charge. Because of that, I went back to this video. To be honest, I think 1/3 of normal charge sounds right, as 1/3 of the velocity. Both document mentioned the use of 148gr bullet, which is light for Mosin bullet
@@454FatJack I'm gonna tell you that yesterday I found a picture of DP machine gun with suppressor. The gas block is also special, like it connect with the suppresor. I will try to find it again, as it wasn't what I was looking for That, and the PPD-40 with Bramit suppressor, the equivalent of the Erma SMG with suppressor. The Erma SMG with suppressor was used in mid 1942, and Soviet captured some of them.
@@tomhenry897 oh, I probably wouldn't be surprised. I'm just stating that a lot of WW2 era small arms hardware was lost in Finnish swamps, along with their unfortunate owners.
I think, they were not «not interesting souvenirs», but strictly controlled. It was possible to get a license for a hunting rifle in the USSR, but any suppressors were strict off-limit for civilians.
The suppressors were extremely little known. I know that professional hunters make them themselves and no one raised any questions about it - the hunting inspection also did not know what it was.
I think this is a re-upload? Major déjà vu. I'm assuming Ian removed the other video(s) when TH-cam went crazy over silencers and whatnot a while ago and is just now comfortable enough to upload them again.
Love when you do videos on Russian gear, can't wait for you to get access to a KORD, KPV and here's hoping: a GSh-23-2 (you did do a Bofors, seems reasonable). Thank you; quite certain I speak for most of us Eastern Potatoes when I say we love when you review our gear, my friends and I all do. Greetings from a Bulgaro-Russo-Ugrek-Ukrainian :) This was great!
Yes, they would only work with the red side of the force, and since they would be difficult to operate in damp conditions they were mainly used to light cigarettes.
OOPS! First I had this "Wait a sec, I've seen this already. What's up?" and only _then_ I read the video description with explanation on this being a re-upload. All clear now.
Hmmm, Ian, you say that BraMit was used only on Mosin-Nagant rifles. But as far as I know, they were also used on Nagant revolvers, there are even many pictures of them. However, I'm not sure if it was the same silencer pattern, or some special one (I saw at least 3 different versions in the photos, and one of them looks very similar to a regular BraMit without modifications).
This is a good video to ask about sound deflectors/ directors. Such as the “Boom Tube “ made by Little Crow Gunworks. Basically an open piece of pipe screwed to the muzzle directing sound down range. Ever seen any?
I'm surprised the Soviet silencer for the Mosin Nagant was not just a soup can with holes poked in it and stuffed with steel wool. Just imagine if some jabroni slapped this on a Obrez...
The Mitin brothers, unfortunately, came under pressure from that USSR authorities and ended up very badly ... There were good designers ... Alas, their developments are no longer available to us. The kingdom of heaven to them ... Amen!
>There were good designers Ehh, no, one of them was. And it wasn't the "pressure" that killed them, but their affinity for criminal activities such as counterfeiting.
I have a question about bullets and not this particular video. When did hollow point bullets get developed for pistols and rifles and what calibers was introduced first.
Holy crap I saw Cyrillic and tried to read it for a second! Love it when people do that LOL!!!!! It's actually kind of close! you wrote Byaam(letter doesn't exist)t.... Byaamt. LOL. Ok sorry really analyzed a joke.
I once read the AK-47 silencer manual. The manual was for the armed forces of the People's Republic of Poland. There, too, it was written about the need for special ammunition or a reduction in the amount of gunpowder in a normal cartridge. As far as I remember, a different sight was added to the silencer to be mounted on the weapon. The manual also pointed out that a notebook with the number of shots recorded must be added to each silencer, and when the notebook is not there, the user must visually assess the wear of the rubber. The manual said that a shot with such a silencer sounds like the sound of a dry branch breaking.
That's cool
I wonder if AK-47 would cycle with subsonic ammo... And if it does, I imagine the clanking of metal parts would be a bit more noticeable than a dry branch breaking (at least in my experience, on an AK-74 the sound of the bolt dropping is quite loud)
@@MrCh0o technically you can resolve that by holding the charging handle in place .... I'm not recommending trying that
@@MrCh0o A very valid point, that's why the communist army, when making a pistol with a silencer, made a lock on the bolt - as long as you pulled the trigger, the bolt couldn't go back, then you had to manually pull it back. I know the MP5 submachine guns also had an option to lock the movement of the mechanism when you fired with a silencer. I have no idea how it was with the AK-47. Maybe they were blocking the bolt handle with some kind of string so that it couldn't go back?
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Making the reproductions with the internal threading backwards is a nice touch. You want it to fit in place and look like the original but anybody that has read a book on the subject can easily tell them apart upon examination.
@@chrismemphis8062 more likely single point thread cut on a lathe than cut with a tap or die. Much more likely to be on a true axis that way.
@@chrisstephens6673 this.
I’m fascinated with these silencers! Thank you Ian for making such a good content.
That was a smart move by the maker of the reproduction, to switch from left-hand to right-hand threading. Very clearly shows its provenance.
Plus the whole end-user ergonomics deal of most people being used to right-hand threads. Because it's unashamedly a repro you can make some changes to the design to be more useful to the modern customer.
Excellent video. In the emergency procedure of throwing away 2/3 of the gunpowder, it strikes me that the volume thrown away is not replaced by cotton or something similar. Very low charges have pretty random effects from a misfire to a kaboon. Greetings from Argentine Patagonia.
It's possible that they tested this procedure and found it to not be dangerous. There is probably enough powder in it with a 1/3 charge to prevent or mitigate the situation where a detonation would happen.
If I did this I would definitely pack the casing with some fiber. The problem with very low charge weights is that you expose way more surface area of the powder to the primer detonation, whereas if it was a full charge, only what is pressed up against the primer is exposed to the detonation and the flame front travels through at a predetermined rate giving you reliable pressure curves.
I used to make some really small gallery loads with .32 S&W using 1 grain of Bullseye and one 0 buck sized pellet (.32 caliber). I always used a sharpened casing to cut card stock plugs of paper that were then jammed into the casing to keep all of the powder to the rear. Never had any problems doing that.
@@oldscratch3535 Exactly!, I have seen that phenomenon in a 357 Mag and it was Kaboom! Without a wad of fibers of course
@@bulukacarlos4751 Whatever rifle powder they were using probably behaved drastically different in this situation to the relatively much faster burning pistol powders used in .357.
@@JJW3 I don´t know. Maybe, but I have no experience with reduced rifle powder by miself or close shooters.
Ian. You CAN'T use the Cyrillic "B" if you're then also going to use the Cyrillic "Ya" immediately after.
and the Cyrillic R looks like a Latin P.
spent a few seconds trying to figured out what "byadmit" meant
@@memepolice7964 Turns out that "d" is a lowercase A in that shitty typeface. I had to look it up.
БраМит, Слава Рoссиа!… Is that politically incorrect? ❤ 🇺🇦
They don’t have “I” in Cyrillic either so he is just making a stylized english word Бяamit using Cyrillic characters.
Those are pretty cool! I like how they used the existing bayonet style mount rather than a whole new design that requires the barrel to be threaded.
"Yeah just pour some of the powder out, it should be fine."
The Russians were insane.
And they still are. They probably will be for the rest of time.
It actually works. I’ve made subsonic Mosin loads with about 12 grains, but that was pistol powder. Super quiet and no recoil.
Still are
They should at least send a measuring cup so the users know exactly how much powder they must pour out.
Just found this thing for the first time in DayZ and now Ian makes a video about it.
Just great!
Before this series of videos I didn’t know there were suppressors issued on large scale by any national military. Bravo!
I don’t know why these suppressor videos intrigue me so much
Same here!
Thing that make thing that go bang go bang not so much. What is not to like?
@@bobskool the fact that my first hasn’t even cleared it’s jail time yet.
@roughneck2204 that sucks buddy. What can did you get?
Probably because so few of us have ever gotten any real hands on time with one even if we are 2a fans
It was actually used with Nagant revolver as well, its overcomplicated design allowed to use a supressor on it.
Probably the only model of the revolver that could be effectively supressed.
Design used in prison’s neigbour does not hear supper is served.. you are next😂
Ian really pulled a Bramit Gambit with this video.
Hello Ian! I appreciate your work and hope to meet you if you ever stop by New Hampshire again. I hope that Jim will have you over again to film more of his collection.
Like the Sherman, T34, or the sten gun and so many other bits of kit; it's got its flaws but it's good enough.
Thanks for producing another great Episode..!
I wish we could hear it firing just out of curiosity with subsonic 54R
Rob ski channel dealt with it. Amazing effect on both sound and flash reduction.
Thank you , Ian .
🐺
I love the Soviet strategy: Make one thing that is ggood enough, and mass produce it. But if there's a way to simplify it, then make it so and mass produce the new cheaper and simple thing.
Haha silly Ian, thats not Russian R. Russian R is P. The backwards R is pronounced "Ya"
Da!
Да!
They don’t have “I” in Cyrillic either so he is just making a stylized english word Бяamit using Cyrillic characters.
@@americameinyourmouth9964 they do have i in cyrillic. Just not in Russian. I didnt want to correct him on the i cus it felt too nitpicky. The phonetical representation of the letter is close enough
@@Beyondzworld True in Ukrainian and Belarusian. But Ian just wanted to make a cool looking English version of BraMit by making БяaMiт instead of БраМит.
Famous Russian proverb: "The Best is the enemy of Good Enough"
I imagine State Security would not be very happy with soldiers bringing suppressors home...
The ATF: "I was summoned."
“Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good”, is the American saying.
Not to mention that most of civilian gun owners had 32 to 12 gauge smoothbores, that suppressor would be barely useful
Oh no! You broke the unwritten TH-cam rule and attached a silencer!
There are some funny rules and guidelines to follow.
Something tells me military equipment is designed to be as simple and easy to figure out as possible. Almost as if you'd want a soldier to be able to pick it up and actually use it.
Thank you Ian! You are such a great source of information!
Thanks for your perfect video!
Wonderful Valentine's themed post
So they did utilize the locking system on the bayonet for muzzle attachments. Glad to know I wasn't the only one who thought of that.
The silencer was designed by only one brother - Ivan Mitin. He named the silencer "BraMit" (Brothers Mitin) in honor of the executed brother.
His first silencer he designed for criminal activities. He dragged his younger brother Vasily into criminal activity. As a result, in 1933 they were arrested (not for the first time). Both were sentenced to death. But since the older brother, Ivan, was a talented designer, his sentence was commuted to 10 years in prison.
About the thumbnail: a pet peeve of mine is when people take scripts like Greek or Russian and use them for aesthetics without doing it properly. For example, the characters used here spell biaamit, not bramit
They are rare today, because they were war material sent to Soviet satellites since the end of WW II where they were used up.
I've never heard about bramit being used by soviet satellites tbh. However I've heard something about romanians having suppressed M44 carbines
@@SamuraiAkechi Korean War. Vietnam War, Afghanistan. Plus all the pre-Berlin Wall coming down satellites.
1. Who is making the reproductions?
2. When are you doing a range session with one?
My actual first thought upon seeing the thumbnail was, "I didn't know the Soviet issued lightsabers."
I love seeing something on this channel that I've only ever seen before in Tarkov
Need this
The soviet design philosophy: make it simple, make it strong, make it work it , crank them out like cookies.
Oooh looky!! Another Cool bit of kit for my 3 line rifle, now I just have to find one!!! 🤠👍
High power rifle and silencer
Normal ammo only benefit hide where shot is fired. Sound is still noticeble. But a bit stealth.
Sub sonic is quite silent. Max range 300m. So rifle CQB range only.
Fast Fire rate. Barrel heat’s much faster. And accuracy point of impact starts to travel
I thought I had seen this before. Re watched and liked again.
+1 Ian for having balls and showing the screwing/workings of the suppressor...especially after all the other channels have faced the naz-is at YT over it.
demo matt had a video on offtheranch where he talked about it. yt reversed position on it.
@@bermchasin I only watch Offtheranch a bit, didn't realize they reversed it. Good to hear.
he deleted and reuploaded this video now because of that.
"This video is being reposted, because I deleted it proactively to avoid getting a TH-cam strike for showing the attachment of a silencer."
Ah, the famous BYAAMIT is back!
Ottimo video. Grazie maestro
Bramit is the name on behalf of the creators - the inventors of the Mitin brothers. In Russian - brothers through "a". According to this - BrаMit.
The thumbnail of this video says “БяaMit” instead of “БраМит”.
@@americameinyourmouth9964 yeah I was confused is it supposed to be bramit or byamit
A lot of people noticed it but I think Ian just wanted a stylized english word using Cyrillic. Бяamit looks cool.
@@americameinyourmouth9964 yeah make sense я looks a lot more like our R and р lol
In Soviet Russia, sound suppress you.
Cracking suppressor, Bramit!
The thing that makes that silencer even more cooler is that it was pulled out of a swamp.
Ah yes, the "byadmeet"
I once ate some byadmeet; I was on the toilet for hours afterward.
About the subsonic bullet, I was searching for it information after I after I read the PKM manual book made by US intelligence in 1979. It's mentioned as "low velocity bullet" with 40gr of charge. And I was thinking "What's it for"
The description of it, as entire green bullet, match a bullet information I found. It has green rim too, and later just the tip and the primer. But the powder charge is just 8gr. Normal 762 rim bullet has 49-50 gr charge.
Because of that, I went back to this video. To be honest, I think 1/3 of normal charge sounds right, as 1/3 of the velocity. Both document mentioned the use of 148gr bullet, which is light for Mosin bullet
Mg and silencer😂 like rubber boot’s and bikini’s🕺
@@454FatJack I'm gonna tell you that yesterday I found a picture of DP machine gun with suppressor. The gas block is also special, like it connect with the suppresor. I will try to find it again, as it wasn't what I was looking for
That, and the PPD-40 with Bramit suppressor, the equivalent of the Erma SMG with suppressor. The Erma SMG with suppressor was used in mid 1942, and Soviet captured some of them.
"..dug out from a swamp somewhere." - Finland
@@tomhenry897 oh, I probably wouldn't be surprised. I'm just stating that a lot of WW2 era small arms hardware was lost in Finnish swamps, along with their unfortunate owners.
I think, they were not «not interesting souvenirs», but strictly controlled.
It was possible to get a license for a hunting rifle in the USSR, but any suppressors were strict off-limit for civilians.
The suppressors were extremely little known. I know that professional hunters make them themselves and no one raised any questions about it - the hunting inspection also did not know what it was.
Ian you rock!
USSR had a version of Bramit for Nagant revolver, unfortunately I don't have numbers on how many was made.I have a picture of one from museum.
"Technical bureau of the NKVD"... Now there's food for thought...
I think this is a re-upload? Major déjà vu.
I'm assuming Ian removed the other video(s) when TH-cam went crazy over silencers and whatnot a while ago and is just now comfortable enough to upload them again.
Me: Did you post this before?
Ian: Yes.
Me: I see [Keeps watching anyway].
Thank you!!
Makes you wonder how many originals are in a box in some closet of someone's grandfather or great grandfather in Russia...
Thank you.
Love when you do videos on Russian gear, can't wait for you to get access to a KORD, KPV and here's hoping: a GSh-23-2 (you did do a Bofors, seems reasonable). Thank you; quite certain I speak for most of us Eastern Potatoes when I say we love when you review our gear, my friends and I all do. Greetings from a Bulgaro-Russo-Ugrek-Ukrainian :) This was great!
@@ASS_ault After the book translation fiasco, I don't think he wants to.
Interesting , never have seen one before great video
A great very interesting video GJ. Silence is gold.Have a good one. Did the Japanese use silencers during the WW2?
Rewatched and commented for the algorithm!
Good old "byam-t" silencers
Good to see this video back after TH-cam's nonsense
Woke up and decided to poke the bear eh today Ian? 😁
TH-cam caved on that, you can show it again being installed
Nothing more badass than attaching a lightsaber to you gun.
acts as a bayonet :)
even attached to the same place
You just know that somewhere in Appalachia, somebody made a bootleg Bramit using a muffler and rubber gloves/condoms
There is a Milwaukee hole saw attachment for a drill that has the exact slot size as that for going around the front post. Lmao
Gloves are spensive. Just save the old hydraulic and oil filters off your tractor. 😂
that's a sick lightsaber
i didn't know soviets had those
Yes, they would only work with the red side of the force, and since they would be difficult to operate in damp conditions they were mainly used to light cigarettes.
OOPS! First I had this "Wait a sec, I've seen this already. What's up?" and only _then_ I read the video description with explanation on this being a re-upload. All clear now.
Glad I wasn't the only one wondering if I was having an intense case of deja vu or just finally gone off my rocker.
I wonder what a suppressed.Mosin Nagant would sound like?
I humm this was uploaded a long time ago right ?
I’m starting to recall it in my head
Hmmm, Ian, you say that BraMit was used only on Mosin-Nagant rifles. But as far as I know, they were also used on Nagant revolvers, there are even many pictures of them. However, I'm not sure if it was the same silencer pattern, or some special one (I saw at least 3 different versions in the photos, and one of them looks very similar to a regular BraMit without modifications).
This is a good video to ask about sound deflectors/ directors. Such as the “Boom Tube “ made by Little Crow Gunworks. Basically an open piece of pipe screwed to the muzzle directing sound down range.
Ever seen any?
sounds like a flash hider. can only see the flash if your being directly shot at.
Thats not how you spell "bradmit" in cyrilic. You are gonna give people who know a stroke
I'm surprised the Soviet silencer for the Mosin Nagant was not just a soup can with holes poked in it and stuffed with steel wool. Just imagine if some jabroni slapped this on a Obrez...
The Mitin brothers, unfortunately, came under pressure from that USSR authorities and ended up very badly ... There were good designers ... Alas, their developments are no longer available to us. The kingdom of heaven to them ... Amen!
>There were good designers
Ehh, no, one of them was. And it wasn't the "pressure" that killed them, but their affinity for criminal activities such as counterfeiting.
Gromit mug with a gromit silencer on his groza
This is the 2nd time I’ve seen this video posted
Eugh, the thumbnail has the fauxcyrillic again
An artifact of the lost civilization
Wait, you can put silencers on guns? Oh my god, somebody print a new edition of the anarchist cookbook, quick.
I just woke up and the thumbnail looked like a lightsaber.
This video is a matter of state security.
I have a question about bullets and not this particular video. When did hollow point bullets get developed for pistols and rifles and what calibers was introduced first.
Брамит is the actual Cyrillic, you spelled ByadmIt in the thumbnail
Love this in EFT.
NGL I was trying to read Bramit written in faux cyrillic and almost had a stroke
Very cool.
Gromit?!
Wait I've seen this before
*Watches it all the way through anyway*
Screw YT rules and screw antigun paranoids worldwide.
Not to mention that nobody is going to make frontsight-mounted suppressors anymore. I guess.
Sad that it has come to this point.. TH-cam is getting to the heart of who they want to run off from this platform, it is obviously us..
Very interesting !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I too also use all-season rubber......tires.
Didn't I see this exact video a couple of years ago?
ah yes the byadmit, not to be confused with the брамит lol
The text on the thumbnail seems to be saying "byadmit". BraMit is spelled "БраМит" in Cyrillic.
They don’t have “I” in Cyrillic either so he is just making a stylized english word Бяamit using Cyrillic characters.
I think I'm too tired :
I laughed at the idea of a Wallace and Bromit TV show seeing this video...
Ah yes the byadmit
Holy crap I saw Cyrillic and tried to read it for a second! Love it when people do that LOL!!!!! It's actually kind of close! you wrote Byaam(letter doesn't exist)t.... Byaamt. LOL. Ok sorry really analyzed a joke.