Could you imagine being a tiny artist with no following, having a big record label come to your door and say "We're going to make you a star but you need to go get some face tats so we can sell you", then your numbers don't work and two months later they are like "Well, it didn't work out. You better go get a 9 to 5 job. Good luck with those face tats"
Your just mad your parents are unlikable, if someone gave my kid a job because they thought I was loyal or talented, if be happy. Don't pretend you wouldn't, you're just not likeable.
@@aresjerry - but most cases of nepotism isnt like that tho??? most of the time its rich people paying their kids into prestigious universities (when oftentimes their grades are wayyy below the average) or celebrities using their status to let their relatives into whatever industry they're in, even if that relative's skill level is honestly subpar. more often than not, nepotism isnt about the parents' integrity and loyalty or whatever, its about paying their way to the top 🤷
@l.u.n.e you're preconceived notion that being smart, or there is a value to it is immature. You don't need to be smart to be successful. What do grades have to do with anything except an appeal to authority?
@Beach Life that’s why I said, “if I hadn’t been alive 10 years ago.” Since I WAS alive then, I know where he came from. But if I was new to life right now and I saw MGK for the first time, I’d be like, “that guy’s a plant.”
She was 20 at the time not some 40 year old mom. She gives off tumblr 2016 emo girl which i assume is what they going for it honestly seems like she was desperate to be seen. he sniffed her out told her he could make her a star if she did all this shit and of course, dropped her the moment it didn't work.
The 3 Golden Rules: 1 - Never ask a woman her age. 2 - Never ask a man how much they make. 3 - Never ask an indie/new artist why their parents are blue on Wikipedia.
@@ethanmaiville1754having a text be blue on wikipedia means it's hyperlinked; meaning if you click the blue word, you'll be led to another wikipedia page focused on the subject of the word you just clicked. you'd have to be a significant person (whether through business or industry fame; the common denominator being wealthiness) to have a wikipedia page of your own. the average indie artist with an authentic personality and upbringing usually wouldn't have a significant wealthy parent who may very well have helped their child financially in order to be succesful. so basically, if you see that the parents of an indie/self-made artist has their own wikipedia page, that hints at that indie artist actually being privileged and inauthentic as an "individual" artist.
The guy that "created" baby goth is the epitome of the industry. He said "face tats are cool, so we gave her face tats". It's typical of the music industry to see something happening and then create more of that instead of being original.
a common theme with these artists is that they’re pumped out checking off every trend of the time, but these labels create their image so “perfectly” that these artists come off as caricatures of their fellow peers in their genre.
@@donotreply7517 you can tell how out of touch these labels are too because who tf really thought that making a lil pump clone would be sustainable lmaooo
Well the thing is…they actually surprisingly weren’t industry plants. Anthony Fantano interviewed the lead singer at one point and she actually cleared things up…and she surprisingly also has a decent (or at least leagues better than Trampstamps) solo career
I’m in my 50s and had been in the music industry for a couple decades. Stuff like this has been going on forever. Nowadays a band with enough money can pay their way onto a big tour anytime. What’s sad is that some of these don’t care about making music they just want to be famous.
I’m an old guy. I stumbled on this video. I am not familiar with Jumex’s music but the fact that he’s got his microphone backwards and pointed at the ceiling says a lot.
@@Ob1tuber it was pointed directly at his face though. I noticed in Don’t Worry Darling, Harry Styles’ mic was pointed at the floor too. I catch it a lot on TV and Movies.
It isn't just people that are "planted" by major labels. It could be as simple as coming from a wealthy background with connections, yet passing yourself off as independent or self-made.
The babygoth one sounds sad, despite what that guy said she DID have personality and creativity. It just wasn't going along with mainstream trends so they made her change :(
@@fairy6126 "made her", she sold herself completely and did it by her own choice. From trying to make pop to hiding her family and showing boob on OF...
They didn't make her do anything, she was an adult who went along with everything they asked her to do like an idiot and now she failed. Could've easily said no but she chose to chase fame rather than have a real job
In 2004, there was an industry plant in the UK so blatant that some questioned if it was actually done as money laundering. That being the group 3 Of A Kind and their song Babycakes, which got to Number 1 despite no prior promotion, the group featured in the video having had nothing to do with the song, and the actual song's producer stating that it was simply an old demo she didn't think much of but got played on pirate radio. To this day it's the only Number 1 single I am aware of that was a group's only release.
The plant I find absolutely terrifying is Clairo, how she used to act like this simple quirky girl doing some silly music in her bedroom but actually his father is highly connected with huge powerful companies? How can you even fake that and think it is normal
I used to be really good friends with Bria, and I watched her sing on instagram for years. After she started getting big, she kinda dropped her friends, and didn’t talk to us ever again after years of friendship 😕
People really underestimate what people will do for money. If you took 100 random people offered them 20 million dollars a piece to move away and cut contact with everyone they currently know. Most of them would do it and a lot of them would probably do it, would do it for far less and the ones that didn't have a number, that just wasn't it. Her old relationships were a liability to her new image and the wealth she could potentially earn.
@@tsdobbi I don't understand why people say this like its a bad thing, If you didn't take the 20 million dollars and move away you'd be an idiot, and people who are really your friends and family would literally want you to take the deal, if my best friend was offered that deal id support him taking it dude would be fucking set for life and can do whatever he wants for his future id be a selfish asshole if I told him to not take the money because "omg id miss you so much though"
@@TheodoreHoesevelt you don't even know me. Maybe try to reflect on yourself to see why you felt the need to say something like this to a complete stranger. 🤷🏻♀️
Baby Goth is from my area (DFW). She was never a part of our scene whatsoever. I heard her sing live twice and it was REALLY bad. There’s so many artists from here that deserved it more than she did.
The most successful industry plant imo is JLo. Her most popular songs each have some sort of controversy like plagiarism, stealing songs or keeping demo vocals and playing it up as hers. Being aligned with Tony Motolla and later Diddy helped her a lot. The fact that she's made it this far and gets celebrated as a 'legend' still fascinates me.
Rebecca Black seems very wholesome in comparison to most of these stories. At least she was doing her own autotune pop fluff thing! I always think of the evolution of Poppy when I think about plants.
Are you calling Rebecca Black an industry plant? She's not even close. The guy who did her song ran a company where rich parents could pay for their kids to live out their pop star fantasy with their own song and music video. It wasn't industry backed, it wasn't supposed to do well, it was just a fun experience for kids that went sideways.
I love how this video clarified the definitions of “industry plant” and made me quickly realize that literally every Kpop group can be considered as industry plants
They’re not industry plants at all. None of the big groups claim to be self made. And anyone that follows KPOP and the industry know they’re not self made.
These KPOP companies literally hold competitions (which are aired on TV) to pick people for their next group and advertise the heck out of their debut. If there is a polar opposite of industry plants it would be the KPOP industry.
Every artist ever is an industry plant from Elvis to Katy Perry it’s just that they actually had something interesting about them and they weren’t necessarily forced in a shady way.
The way that guy talked about baby goth, and i assume the way others talked about the artists is so heart breaking. Turning art, into a money making ploy
I saw Smilez live in 2019 opening for Lil Pump and Lil Skies (back then he was going by the name Jack Bruno) Before the show while we were waiting in line, some woman was handing out Green drawstring bags that had his name on them, trying to do some promo, I asked her who she was, and she said she was his manager and started talking about him for a couple mins to me to promote his set. I was a bit interested to see his performance, and at first it seemed like he might have some charisma, but it became clear he was fucken drunk lol and put on a really sloppy performance that the crowd was not into. By the end of his set, nobody wanted to hear his last couple songs and were really over it.
I saw him open for Juice WRLD and Cordae back in 2018 or so, he was off some kinda substance and I yelled “who the fuck are you” and he stared me down 💀 funniest part is I genuinely didn’t know who he was, cuz the openers were Lil Mosey and some other rap duo who’s name I’ve forgotten, but both those acts were on the lineup before the show. Jack Bruno wasn’t. I’d bet bread that he paid to open for the tour last second.
Nothing is worse than the Trampstamps... Truly an insane progression, and perfectly embodies an industry plant with some of the biggest backlash from the communities they attempted to emulate
@@kingal7832 good for you, but his come up is very strange how he went from the classmates to working on yeezus and with mike dean, kanye, t.i. In like 2 years
What happened to Baby Goth is actually so fucking sad. Hearing that a young artist gave into that type of pressure and went to the lengths of hiding her own family and getting permanent face tattoos just to "look good when she walks into the office" is fucking heartbreaking. *EDIT: People keep leaving comments about how she deserved it like that's gonna get them any attention. I'm not responding to your bitter ass so keep throwing those comments into the void*
@@brianbadonde9251 It's true, I want you to know every bad decision you've ever made and regret I am personally laughing at you for, and nobody should ever feel any sympathy for you and if you don't like it boohoo
Thats the choice she made, no one forced her. Might be hard getting a normal job now though. They can remove that trash off your face with lazers anyways lol
holy shit that guy. i still remember how he faked a live stream to proof he actually have a twin brother, sitting on the both sides of a couch and cutting the video to make it look like theres two of them
As someone who wrote a lot of music and played a lot of shows when I was in late high school… this shit could have happened to any of us.. only difference was we were a group..we didn’t have the tools to make music alone..I can’t imagine the pressure of doing that shit all alone and how much easier it is to get taken advantage of..
My story is more complicated , but I’ll tell u anything u wanna know, I’ve been doing music for a long time, many ups and downs one thing thats never died is my passion for music and my work ethic. Right now I’m self producing (in pro tools) writing, engineering an album, directing, editing, coloring my own videos. Just wanted to paint more of the picture
Industry plants aren't bad to me as long as they are talented. Lying about being independent is the only corny thing about it. Some artist don't claim to NOT be with a label or agency. They just drop. Nothing wrong with that. If the music good it doesn't matter.
Billie Ellish SWEARSSSS she had no help, yet her mother is a vocal coach for many singers, and even made music, and her dad is in many movies and shows. Deep family ties in Hollywood.
Empty corporate notes and words isn't music and why art is dead. I don't think you get it yet but this whole scheme and industry just milks money from kids who go 100% into any fad they are told
@TheSkyrux holy $hit are you that dumb? Don't answer I know you are. Did you just learn that from your word-a-day calendar. You do comprehend that the "gatekeeper" are the one who cherry picking these controllable losers and blocking out talented artists but you generations sellouts can't even play instruments. It's not like musicians have been singing about this exact problem since the 70s
From what I remember reading it's a play on the Mexican drink and him being half Jewish half Latino . Not sure if that's entirely true tho but that's what I read somewhere back in like 2020 when I stumbled across his music he has a song called drugs that's pretty good
@@aaroncarter8471 I just Googled him. I literally can’t believe I am admitting to this since I literally just heard of him for the first time and have no interest in finding out what his music is like. BUT, he is just a white kid from the countryside of Illinois named Mark. He isnt Jewish at all and frankly, I doubt he is even Mexican but clearly has an ethnically ambiguous appearance so idk. He named himself after the drink, Jumex ( which is pronounced Humex). As far as the jew/mex thing, its pretty low hanging fruit where jokes are concerned and my friends and I made the same ones 20+ years ago in high school while drinking the stuff by the gallon.
K maybe don't become so fake that even people that know nothing about you can smell it a mile away then. The only problem lying therein is that she shouldn't be ALONE in getting hate for it, because there's a shit ton more fake ass "artists" out there, and they should all be called out equally if they're exposed.
@@KappaGammaTveveryone calls bs on facts that are totally believable. like this isn’t hard to believe at all also he’s an anon on the internet what does he have to gain with lying about this?
You forgot the king of industry plants, or more likely you're far too young to know who they are. This is also going to make me sound super old considering that I know who they are, but the industry plants I am referring to was a Dance-pop, R&B, New Jack Swing, Funk, Hip Hop duo by the name of, "Milli Vanilli". Their whole aesthetic was constructed by the label, but the biggest problem was that they actually had no musical talent & were in fact just lip syncing songs created by actually talented song writers with good voices. They were exposed during a concert when they're music they were lip-syncing to started to skip. It was a pretty huge controversy with in the music industry back then & they went from some of the biggest stars to shunned frauds whom were essentially forced into exile. Does anyone else recall Milli Vanilli? Or am I just the oldest fart amongst the crowd here?
So from my understanding an industry plant is a musician that is popular not for have good music but because it was paid to be popular. Prince the singer once said while you may sell a lot of albums it doesn't mean you are a good musician. I believe he was referring to artist and their label pay for the number one spot on the charts. Thanks for the video.
I think it’s because raw personality is pretty hard to sell to a group of people, people have to be *attracted* to a personality and a character, not sold one. but selling a *manufactured identity* is easy, anyone who can play the role can have their identity sold to a specific subset of people. like take chappell roan (who got dropped by her lable before rise and fall of a midwest princess), her personality arguably shines through her music and that’s why a lot of people are attracted to her, yes, she did benefit from virality, but her fans stuck after because of her personality. went on a bit of a tangent at the end but I hope you got what I mean 😭
I dont understand how these industry plants are always mediocre and dont sound that great when there's a bunch of really good artists out there who are making good music on their own that would be better choices for the labels to make much more money from and/or not lose it.
It’s easier to control an artist and sign them to crappy contracts. Labels also will use that artist to push out the one with true talent that rejected the offer said plant signed up for. Mariah Carey and Jennifer Lopez take the top spot of these tactics.
It honestly all comes down to good music and actual talent. That's the only thing that will give an artist longevity. They need to be made for this. Cash grabs will just continue to come and go. It's ok for a talented artist to get help from labels and market executives in order to stand out or be more marketable. But if the music isn't good. It will eventually fail.
Smilez is definitely a rich parent situation. I LOVED Drive A back in the day. Saw them 3 times, I believe. They were great! Their album World in Shambles is super good. It was released on a label called Dead Conflict Records....which ONLY has Drive A releases in their catalog. And address listed for DCR is for a home in Malibu that belongs to his parents. So, they started a record company to release their albums. Which is how I assume they got on the tours they were on, as well. Such a crazy "career" he has had. A guy in the band named Jason Nott is in his own band now called Beachwood Coyotes. They're not bad. They should have stuck with Drive A, they were getting fairly popular there for a minute.
While I agree that the quality of the music matters most at the end of the day, the biggest problem I have with industry plants is that so many mediocre "artists" are propped up by these labels and marketed so heavily that they end up taking opportunity from real, authentic, better artists who remain underground and never see mainstream success. I guess daddy's money will always speak louder than fresh ideas.
Because at the end of the day they don't want genuine artists taking ACTUAL risks and challenging things. They want puppets. Puppets they can mold into whatever they want, even if that's to have them play the part of a risk-taking, boundary-pushing, groundbreaking artist...so long as you only push the boundaries they are ok with.
I went to school with Icy Narco and he was actually really chill but didn't try at all in school. He just was always saying he was going to be a rapper but when he starting getting popular he unfollowed everyone from school on ig so a lot of people from our school never liked him lmfao.
HOLY SHIT! I didn't know who smilez was! I saw Drive A over ten years ago opening for escape the fate. That band was actually really good! They fell off and then I never knew what happened to them!
I was working in a recording studio in 2013 and Jack from Smilez came in for a few days with his band Raw Fabrics recording their album. Seemed like a guy just having fun and trying to get his indie rock band off the ground, he was ripping some guitar solos and I remember them having a cool sound and knowing their way around the gear. It's so wild to see this video after not hearing about this guy for 10 years!!!
Sad about baby goth. I talked to her in her comments a bit on Tiktok and she had said she’s been battling issues with the people she had signed with and can’t say much until the court stuff is final. I think she’s super sweet💚
These "plants" are made to look and sound terrible on purpose. That way the real industry plants can make it in no issue by comparison. Its no wonder they all look over the top.
i used to have a jumex fanpage nd we had an active groupchat with his gf she was really nice but he treated her so bad. one time he posted something saying “my ex is a whore” nd we were talking it nd she told us he was doing hard drugs nd talking to girls our age(we were like 12-13 at the time) she also tried to get us to buy his merch im glad we didnt tho lol
I remember back in the day people in my high school were calling lil xan an industry plant and my response was always “nahhh he’s just a lost kid with bad lyrics and a overwhelming drug habit” 😂 look at him now
That kid made me hate modern rap. Just the whole concept. Then I saw him get jumped for talking crap about 2pac, finding out his dad's a crackhead, and his manager caring more about himself than him. Now I feel really bad for him
Haha that was a great add for you shirts!😂 I've been watching you since the "The JuiceWRLD tweet" video and it's been great to see you grow!😊 You had your own vibe/flavour in your videos already back in the JuiceWRLD tweet video, but now it seems you've found your own lane/flavour even more in these videos!😄 Keep it up! I've never heard of this dude Smiles, but I'd love it if you would make an in-depth video on him like you said you might and I think other people who watch your videos would like that too. Kind of an interesting industry plant case if it's dad paying for the promotion instead of a label.
Ice Spice gives me "Industry Plant" energy, but she's so charismatic that I don't really mind it; her music isn't that bad either. She's got potential, and she also seems like a very chill and sweet person 😭❤️
I don’t think she is an industry plant(could be wrong.) I DO think that weekend she went to meet Drake it changed the entire trajectory of her career from one-hit-wonder to future superstar!
@@justofon agreed, people that listen to her or something like glorilla are people that loot Target and Ulta stores and contribute nothing of value to society /rant
There’s a country singer I think falls in this category. There was this kid named Tucker Betherd in 2016 that got on the radio and opened for major country singers for a bit. Eric church, one of the most popular country singers in the nation, sang a song ‘Homeboy’ written by tuckers dad. Pretty much the only thing I remember was that his dad wrote a big song
Rihanna is probably the most famous example of an industry plant. She didn’t do music, didn’t sing, but someone with Jay Z, while he was president at Def Jam in need of new artists, spotted her on a beach and liked her look. They gave her vocal training, dance training, artist development and put her out. As recently as her third album-based on an old NPR doc I listened to on her-every song, vocal melody, beat, fashion choice, video concept, single, album concept … was chosen, created, and put together by the label and producers and songwriters. She was as much of a puppet that has ever existed in the music industry. The main songwriter who did her songs even made all the specific vocal inflections on the demo that Rihanna would mimic-Ester Dean, who also kind of sounds like her btw Not hating, just stating the facts. I’m sure this is more common than people know. It’s basically not much different than an A&R developing local band or solo act in the past: signing them, getting them studio time, helping them “come out” in hopes that they catch on. That’s just how the business works. It’s just in the case of someone like Rihanna, it appears that having a “look” was the main priority. Jay also probably had insight on how to build an someone into a singer by being married to Beyoncé, who didn’t appear to have a lot of natural talent based on her earlier performing clips, but DID have the drive to get the professional coaching and development to work on her act.
"Beyoncé, who didn’t appear to have a lot of natural talent based on her earlier performing clips," Beyonce literally was the STAR of Destiny's Child. So, I'll have to disagree with you, saying she doesn't have a lot of natural talent. Please sksksk.
Just about 100% of rap groups are industry plants... you'd be harder pressed to find ONE that isn't... Wu-Tang Clan??? One of the only ones I can think of right now. EVERY rap group HAS to be an industry plant as none of them have any musical talent and need help with EVERYTHING, they can't make the tracks, can't record, can't do anything but say "bix nood" into a microphone... and a lot of the time they have problems with that. There is footage of DMX in a studio pissed off that the producer is asking him to actually do lines to HIS song, he's like... "BUT WHY YOU CAN'T JUST PIECE TOGETHER THE ONES I DID EARLIER????"
my frustration with that entire subgenre is perfectly personified by that one snl skit with pete and timothee DROP THAT YEET SKRT THAT YEET YOU NEVER LOVED ME MOM 😂
Jumex… Jumex is a trademarked name of a COMPANY IN MEXICO, THEY SELL JUICES!!!! This is hilarious to me, oh my god, I legit thought you were talking about them and was like “when? When did they try to make their own Hannah Montana? I didn’t know”
Baby Goth was one of those artists that came out from that portal with mumble trap rappers that came out of nowhere in 2018. She was like mixed female version with lil xanax and 6ix9ine. I remember her first solo song but it didn't aged well just like this era that ended quickly and trends has been changed.
Garbage was my favorite industry plant. Basically a bunch of producers, they hired a singer, and they made a fortune. Lorde is another, she responded to an ad and they told her how to look and what to do.
I think what differentiates these artists is that the music actually had real substance and personality to it. Shirley Manson may have been a randomish hire, but she could still sing and be her authentic self
I love both, but are they really plants? It's normal for A&R people scouting you to tell you how to look and sound. I know this first hand, the dude even convinced us to change the structure of a song so it would be more poppy. I think it can appear that an artist is a plant when really they are just agreeing to whatever the label is telling them to do.
Some other interesting industry plants are Clever, 645ar, and Mario Judah. I also feel like Tom Macdonald has some kind of industry connection he’s hiding
My take on the definition of industry plant is that if an artists' presence is more greatly attributed to the label rather than their true popularity, than they are a plant. Of course an artist can move in and out of this definition as their label support and true support changes over time.
7:03 I gotta disagree. This is a common thing said with industry plants. "Oh if the music is good who cares?" Well this is actually bad for music as a whole. Because what it tells labels is that instead of finding good artists who have a solid foundation of music and help take them to the next level they can just find some bland person and invest money into them to hope they make more money. So therefore instead of artists who have great potential being pushed, we will only have a bunch of artists we will get sick of quickly because they were not here to make good music, but just to return an investment. People complain about the influx of face tattoo SoundCloud artists that occurred from 2015 to mid 2018 and don't realize that saying "who cares as long as the music is good" was the reason a lot of these industry plants got pushed in the first place.
Thanks for talking about smilez because for a while there I thought he was being planted by a major label but it just turned out to be rich family. An industry plant or at least someone attempting to plant themselves that you should talk about is ghostluvme, his music is pretty terrible but he seems to have unlimited funding linking up with rappers like Future, Lil Uzi, Trippie Redd, in studio sessions with actually famous people, consistently paying for promo/ads, tried to do some digging myself but I can't find how he's funding this
I think the key to an industry plant isn’t just that they don’t talk about their label, but that they are in some way actively obscuring the degree of backing they have from industry sources.
This video was interesting for me, being from a previous generation where the definitions for "industry plant" was a little bit different. I'm not into any of this music myself that is discussed here, but it is still interesting to learn about.
i had said sum abt him bein a wannabe punk once n he decided to join my ig lives and harass me n get all pissed for no reason. ntm a guy ik was connected to him n he jus wasnt a nice person at all
@@h3avenscent news flash: she just started like 2 years ago and already has collabs with some of the biggest artists. she literally raps about what every other female rapper raps about and some of them have been in the game for a decade with no good collabs. if anyone doesn't know what the term means, its you. :)
I saw Drive A here in SC back in the day at a festival type of show. I always wondered what happened to them, they had great energy and were willing to talk and hang with everyone.
Rewatcher here! I am glad that you mentioned Progresss. His primary content was exposing industry plants for a bit and it was incredibly entertaining to watch.
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If I watch it 2x speed does it still count the same for you lol
@@devanteatkinson5749 no 2x speed is worse for me lol
@@devanteatkinson5749 watch it slower
Could you imagine being a tiny artist with no following, having a big record label come to your door and say "We're going to make you a star but you need to go get some face tats so we can sell you", then your numbers don't work and two months later they are like "Well, it didn't work out. You better go get a 9 to 5 job. Good luck with those face tats"
Ong bro is fucked ☠️😭
Sheesh😂😂
“she wasn’t cool, so we gave her a cool name” yeah sure when i hear the name baby goth i think holy shit thats the coolest name ive ever heard
Seriously 😭😭
I thought bro said “Baby God” at first…. I thought that name was fire
Calling her baby goth and she doesn’t even make goth music feels weird to me idk
😂😂 Forreal
The entitlement is crazy I hope shes okay now!
I think people say “industry plant” a lot of the time when they really mean “nepo baby”
Your just mad your parents are unlikable, if someone gave my kid a job because they thought I was loyal or talented, if be happy. Don't pretend you wouldn't, you're just not likeable.
@@aresjerry - but most cases of nepotism isnt like that tho??? most of the time its rich people paying their kids into prestigious universities (when oftentimes their grades are wayyy below the average) or celebrities using their status to let their relatives into whatever industry they're in, even if that relative's skill level is honestly subpar. more often than not, nepotism isnt about the parents' integrity and loyalty or whatever, its about paying their way to the top 🤷
@l.u.n.e you're preconceived notion that being smart, or there is a value to it is immature. You don't need to be smart to be successful. What do grades have to do with anything except an appeal to authority?
@@aresjerry - that... was not at all what my comment's point was. i'm actually inclined to believe you're a troll lmfao
Literally the same thing. Most of these people are spoiled rich kids who have never experienced consequences in their lives.
If I hadn’t been alive 10 years ago, I would swear the MGK is an industry plant.
@Beach Life that’s why I said, “if I hadn’t been alive 10 years ago.” Since I WAS alive then, I know where he came from. But if I was new to life right now and I saw MGK for the first time, I’d be like, “that guy’s a plant.”
MGKs mixtape Lace Up from 10-11 years ago was kinda fire
@@drexyspivey est for life is still a banga f knows what happened to him haha
He move like one. Post Malone too
@Beach Life illiteracy moment
the babygoth story is hilarious to me
so essentially a producer tried to make someone's Mom an edgy goth singer
She was 20 at the time not some 40 year old mom. She gives off tumblr 2016 emo girl which i assume is what they going for it honestly seems like she was desperate to be seen. he sniffed her out told her he could make her a star if she did all this shit and of course, dropped her the moment it didn't work.
@@zoommiesbayyeah teen moms tend to be degenerates
@zoommiesbay
6:01 she had kids at the time thus making her the definition of someone's mom.
But yeah you're right
Someone’s mom? She’s only like 30
*a producer tried to make someone’s MILF an edgy goth singer
The 3 Golden Rules:
1 - Never ask a woman her age.
2 - Never ask a man how much they make.
3 - Never ask an indie/new artist why their parents are blue on Wikipedia.
It took me a few seconds to figure out what do you mean by your parents being blue on Wikipedia 😭😭😭😭
Not new anymore, but Billie Eillish
@@Save0urSistersI don’t understand
@@ethanmaiville1754prob a reference to nepo babies. Their daddies are fanous and or got enough money to have a wiki page on their own
@@ethanmaiville1754having a text be blue on wikipedia means it's hyperlinked; meaning if you click the blue word, you'll be led to another wikipedia page focused on the subject of the word you just clicked.
you'd have to be a significant person (whether through business or industry fame; the common denominator being wealthiness) to have a wikipedia page of your own. the average indie artist with an authentic personality and upbringing usually wouldn't have a significant wealthy parent who may very well have helped their child financially in order to be succesful.
so basically, if you see that the parents of an indie/self-made artist has their own wikipedia page, that hints at that indie artist actually being privileged and inauthentic as an "individual" artist.
The guy that "created" baby goth is the epitome of the industry. He said "face tats are cool, so we gave her face tats". It's typical of the music industry to see something happening and then create more of that instead of being original.
baby goth has good music though.
Call me strange. I play instruments. The only hip hop I like is old school hip hop. I can't with hip hop today.
makes me sad because she's so talented, they should've just let her be her :(
@@Skoopyghost sadly nobody cares
@@Skoopyghost Old head
a common theme with these artists is that they’re pumped out checking off every trend of the time, but these labels create their image so “perfectly” that these artists come off as caricatures of their fellow peers in their genre.
Spot on
@@donotreply7517 you can tell how out of touch these labels are too because who tf really thought that making a lil pump clone would be sustainable lmaooo
@@sabdream444nah tbh at the time anyone would think that. He was rlly doing big things it made sense at the time
well said bro
Great take!
Maybe it’s because of how invested I was in the drama, but I’m surprised TRAMPSTAMPS wasn’t included. To me they are the face of industry plants.
Them being memed into submission on tumblr is interesting enough to talk about.
Well the thing is…they actually surprisingly weren’t industry plants. Anthony Fantano interviewed the lead singer at one point and she actually cleared things up…and she surprisingly also has a decent (or at least leagues better than Trampstamps) solo career
@@theotherjared9824bug ass
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Jumex is literally a Mexican juice brand. Been around since 1961. Thick super sweet juice. Always drank the mango nectar growing up
Yep?
Jumex Is literally just Jugos Mexicanos
Right I was thinking I have some mango cans in the fridge 😂
It's so good as a margarita mixer
Shits delicious, man!
I’m in my 50s and had been in the music industry for a couple decades. Stuff like this has been going on forever. Nowadays a band with enough money can pay their way onto a big tour anytime. What’s sad is that some of these don’t care about making music they just want to be famous.
It's even easier for the fans to see it now tho. It's easy to tell if they don't have an organic fan base and they're faking the funk
@@nonamesinenominezuby for example
why tf you watching this shit you’re 50 go outside dad
The Monkees??
What do you do in the music industry? By default I don’t believe anything said by an alt account with no profile pic.
I’m an old guy. I stumbled on this video. I am not familiar with Jumex’s music but the fact that he’s got his microphone backwards and pointed at the ceiling says a lot.
That's something someone would do on purpose because they can't physically say what they're forced to do
Lemmy kind of did the same thing, but his mic stand was just high, so that he could stare directly at god
@@Ob1tuber it was pointed directly at his face though. I noticed in Don’t Worry Darling, Harry Styles’ mic was pointed at the floor too. I catch it a lot on TV and Movies.
It isn't just people that are "planted" by major labels. It could be as simple as coming from a wealthy background with connections, yet passing yourself off as independent or self-made.
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The Strokes are my favorite industry plants.
Like Taylor Swift.. her dad paid big bucks for her to be the opener for Rascal Flatts world tour way back before anybody had ever heard of her..
*cough cough* Billie Eilish
Most of them.
The babygoth one sounds sad, despite what that guy said she DID have personality and creativity. It just wasn't going along with mainstream trends so they made her change :(
and made her get face tattoos ;(
@@fairy6126 "made her", she sold herself completely and did it by her own choice. From trying to make pop to hiding her family and showing boob on OF...
They didn't make her do anything, she was an adult who went along with everything they asked her to do like an idiot and now she failed. Could've easily said no but she chose to chase fame rather than have a real job
@@brianbadonde9251 you'd be surprised how many will be enticed by money. It's a very easy tactic to get people to do whatever you want them to do.
@@redfrog1628 not surprised at all, it's just dumb. She probably didn't end up making much money anyways, labels always screw over artists
In 2004, there was an industry plant in the UK so blatant that some questioned if it was actually done as money laundering. That being the group 3 Of A Kind and their song Babycakes, which got to Number 1 despite no prior promotion, the group featured in the video having had nothing to do with the song, and the actual song's producer stating that it was simply an old demo she didn't think much of but got played on pirate radio. To this day it's the only Number 1 single I am aware of that was a group's only release.
The plant I find absolutely terrifying is Clairo, how she used to act like this simple quirky girl doing some silly music in her bedroom but actually his father is highly connected with huge powerful companies? How can you even fake that and think it is normal
lmaoooo the fact you're terrified of someone you don't even know 🤡🤣
@@cryptogofer3080 what
@@cryptogofer3080 bruh you have no reading comprehension. It's the concept that terrifies him
@@cryptogofer3080 Take those clown shoes off, you're not at work.
@@cryptogofer3080what’s it like being 12? it’s been so long for me, but you took me right back.
I used to be really good friends with Bria, and I watched her sing on instagram for years. After she started getting big, she kinda dropped her friends, and didn’t talk to us ever again after years of friendship 😕
People really underestimate what people will do for money. If you took 100 random people offered them 20 million dollars a piece to move away and cut contact with everyone they currently know. Most of them would do it and a lot of them would probably do it, would do it for far less and the ones that didn't have a number, that just wasn't it.
Her old relationships were a liability to her new image and the wealth she could potentially earn.
@@tsdobbi I don't understand why people say this like its a bad thing, If you didn't take the 20 million dollars and move away you'd be an idiot, and people who are really your friends and family would literally want you to take the deal, if my best friend was offered that deal id support him taking it dude would be fucking set for life and can do whatever he wants for his future id be a selfish asshole if I told him to not take the money because "omg id miss you so much though"
You were sh*tty to her that one time.
@@TheodoreHoesevelt you don't even know me. Maybe try to reflect on yourself to see why you felt the need to say something like this to a complete stranger. 🤷🏻♀️
@@oMilkTeaaTTV wouldn't you like to know
Baby Goth is from my area (DFW). She was never a part of our scene whatsoever. I heard her sing live twice and it was REALLY bad. There’s so many artists from here that deserved it more than she did.
It is what it is...
Never heard of her and I live in Dallas as well lol
She actually has a pretty good voice
The enigmatic Tara Gilesbie mentioned living in “dubya”. There is a non-zero chance that Bria Bueno was “Tara”
No one "deserves" success.
The most successful industry plant imo is JLo. Her most popular songs each have some sort of controversy like plagiarism, stealing songs or keeping demo vocals and playing it up as hers. Being aligned with Tony Motolla and later Diddy helped her a lot. The fact that she's made it this far and gets celebrated as a 'legend' still fascinates me.
@@erinwilliams1485 Shakira outperformed her in every way, she needs to get her head out of her ass
I don't know her
@@giannidescalzo2101 Jeniffer Lopez
@@erinwilliams1485 the audacity is astronomical 😂
She also like tacos and burritos
Rebecca Black seems very wholesome in comparison to most of these stories. At least she was doing her own autotune pop fluff thing! I always think of the evolution of Poppy when I think about plants.
Are you calling Rebecca Black an industry plant? She's not even close. The guy who did her song ran a company where rich parents could pay for their kids to live out their pop star fantasy with their own song and music video. It wasn't industry backed, it wasn't supposed to do well, it was just a fun experience for kids that went sideways.
I love how this video clarified the definitions of “industry plant” and made me quickly realize that literally every Kpop group can be considered as industry plants
There is no consideration, they are all industry plants hahaha
They’re not industry plants at all. None of the big groups claim to be self made. And anyone that follows KPOP and the industry know they’re not self made.
These KPOP companies literally hold competitions (which are aired on TV) to pick people for their next group and advertise the heck out of their debut. If there is a polar opposite of industry plants it would be the KPOP industry.
Every artist ever is an industry plant from Elvis to Katy Perry it’s just that they actually had something interesting about them and they weren’t necessarily forced in a shady way.
huh. that's why i don't like them lol, i never was able to put it into words but i just cannot stand that polished image
The way that guy talked about baby goth, and i assume the way others talked about the artists is so heart breaking. Turning art, into a money making ploy
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I saw Smilez live in 2019 opening for Lil Pump and Lil Skies (back then he was going by the name Jack Bruno)
Before the show while we were waiting in line, some woman was handing out Green drawstring bags that had his name on them, trying to do some promo, I asked her who she was, and she said she was his manager and started talking about him for a couple mins to me to promote his set.
I was a bit interested to see his performance, and at first it seemed like he might have some charisma, but it became clear he was fucken drunk lol and put on a really sloppy performance that the crowd was not into. By the end of his set, nobody wanted to hear his last couple songs and were really over it.
Yikessss
I saw him open for Juice WRLD and Cordae back in 2018 or so, he was off some kinda substance and I yelled “who the fuck are you” and he stared me down 💀 funniest part is I genuinely didn’t know who he was, cuz the openers were Lil Mosey and some other rap duo who’s name I’ve forgotten, but both those acts were on the lineup before the show. Jack Bruno wasn’t. I’d bet bread that he paid to open for the tour last second.
Nothing is worse than the Trampstamps... Truly an insane progression, and perfectly embodies an industry plant with some of the biggest backlash from the communities they attempted to emulate
I need that Travis Scott /Billie Eilish industry plant package. I wanna be so good at music nobody cares about the origin story 😂
Travis being a Industry plant isn’t talked about enough
NAH FR I got hella shit for this exact same comment when he first posted 😂😂😂😂
I've listened to Travis since he was making music out of his car before owl pharaoh dropped....planted where? It took him years and years to get big
@@kingal7832 good for you, but his come up is very strange how he went from the classmates to working on yeezus and with mike dean, kanye, t.i. In like 2 years
@@edvinlemming7311Ok chief keef got the kanye approval he wasn’t a plant
What happened to Baby Goth is actually so fucking sad. Hearing that a young artist gave into that type of pressure and went to the lengths of hiding her own family and getting permanent face tattoos just to "look good when she walks into the office" is fucking heartbreaking.
*EDIT: People keep leaving comments about how she deserved it like that's gonna get them any attention. I'm not responding to your bitter ass so keep throwing those comments into the void*
Well, she's an adult who made a decision for herself so boohoo
You mean to tell me actions have consequences?
@@brianbadonde9251 It's true, I want you to know every bad decision you've ever made and regret I am personally laughing at you for, and nobody should ever feel any sympathy for you and if you don't like it boohoo
The music industry is a superficial monster.
@@Toastybees sounds good
Jumax doing a song that is basically the rick and morty “help me out this is not a dance” is hilarious
Wait that baby goth situation actually sounds fucked, she had to get face tats for her career and they barely helped her??
Thats the choice she made, no one forced her. Might be hard getting a normal job now though. They can remove that trash off your face with lazers anyways lol
her only fans is good tho (not that I've paid, the leaked shit that ive seen)
@@xeonn99 bro she has kids. Just pay for the of
@@linguineimpasta i'm not the one who spreaded her legs, sorry bro you go ahead and feed her children.
@@linguineimpastahell no
the fact kid buu isn’t on here is insane😂
The songs he dropping getting worse😂😂😂
holy shit that guy. i still remember how he faked a live stream to proof he actually have a twin brother, sitting on the both sides of a couch and cutting the video to make it look like theres two of them
Lol because he thinks he slaps
@chimney6046 omg yes thats even fucking worse
Naw Iaan Dior
As someone who wrote a lot of music and played a lot of shows when I was in late high school… this shit could have happened to any of us.. only difference was we were a group..we didn’t have the tools to make music alone..I can’t imagine the pressure of doing that shit all alone and how much easier it is to get taken advantage of..
My story is more complicated , but I’ll tell u anything u wanna know, I’ve been doing music for a long time, many ups and downs one thing thats never died is my passion for music and my work ethic. Right now I’m self producing (in pro tools) writing, engineering an album, directing, editing, coloring my own videos. Just wanted to paint more of the picture
Nice
Too bad no one cares
@@gouynipple522I do, the music industry is very interesting.
Sure
@@gouynipple522 What a rude out of pocket comment for no good reason. Be gone with yourself, scalllywag scumbag.
Industry plants aren't bad to me as long as they are talented. Lying about being independent is the only corny thing about it. Some artist don't claim to NOT be with a label or agency. They just drop. Nothing wrong with that. If the music good it doesn't matter.
Billie Ellish SWEARSSSS she had no help, yet her mother is a vocal coach for many singers, and even made music, and her dad is in many movies and shows. Deep family ties in Hollywood.
Empty corporate notes and words isn't music and why art is dead. I don't think you get it yet but this whole scheme and industry just milks money from kids who go 100% into any fad they are told
@@rufusblue8044 Are you trying to gate keep music? wtf lmao
@TheSkyrux holy $hit are you that dumb? Don't answer I know you are. Did you just learn that from your word-a-day calendar. You do comprehend that the "gatekeeper" are the one who cherry picking these controllable losers and blocking out talented artists but you generations sellouts can't even play instruments. It's not like musicians have been singing about this exact problem since the 70s
@@luisgrimaldo7011 that’s not being a plant though. That means that talent and good connections lie in her family.
Christ the Drive A frontman turned rapper reveal hit me like a truck. I loved Drive A so much and always wondered what the hell happened to them
Only OGs know this is a reupload
Yeah
Fr lmao
Ogs? Bruh
Though I was high 😭
@@miranda2smoke794 you know you are. Same bud
i've always wondered where jumex took his name from cause jumex is like a Mexican juice maker company, they specialize in juices and concentrates,
It was obvious since hes a latino lol
Jumex fucking SLAPS. The juice, not the “artist”. Lol
From what I remember reading it's a play on the Mexican drink and him being half Jewish half Latino . Not sure if that's entirely true tho but that's what I read somewhere back in like 2020 when I stumbled across his music he has a song called drugs that's pretty good
@@aaroncarter8471 I just Googled him. I literally can’t believe I am admitting to this since I literally just heard of him for the first time and have no interest in finding out what his music is like. BUT, he is just a white kid from the countryside of Illinois named Mark. He isnt Jewish at all and frankly, I doubt he is even Mexican but clearly has an ethnically ambiguous appearance so idk. He named himself after the drink, Jumex ( which is pronounced Humex). As far as the jew/mex thing, its pretty low hanging fruit where jokes are concerned and my friends and I made the same ones 20+ years ago in high school while drinking the stuff by the gallon.
@@brandonbaty2291 😂😂Exactly!! Whenever I visit Texas I stock up on that mango one.
Bro forreal said he taught SPONGEBOB how to play the Clarinet.. then Strummed like he was playing a guitar... Bros definitely Restarted
I remember collabing with baby goth over 4 years ago I still got the dms she’s very sweet and supportive , she doesn’t deserve hate at all
Same she and I are mutuals and she’s so sweet.
Lies
K maybe don't become so fake that even people that know nothing about you can smell it a mile away then. The only problem lying therein is that she shouldn't be ALONE in getting hate for it, because there's a shit ton more fake ass "artists" out there, and they should all be called out equally if they're exposed.
Post them
@@KappaGammaTveveryone calls bs on facts that are totally believable. like this isn’t hard to believe at all also he’s an anon on the internet what does he have to gain with lying about this?
You forgot the king of industry plants, or more likely you're far too young to know who they are. This is also going to make me sound super old considering that I know who they are, but the industry plants I am referring to was a Dance-pop, R&B, New Jack Swing, Funk, Hip Hop duo by the name of, "Milli Vanilli". Their whole aesthetic was constructed by the label, but the biggest problem was that they actually had no musical talent & were in fact just lip syncing songs created by actually talented song writers with good voices. They were exposed during a concert when they're music they were lip-syncing to started to skip. It was a pretty huge controversy with in the music industry back then & they went from some of the biggest stars to shunned frauds whom were essentially forced into exile. Does anyone else recall Milli Vanilli? Or am I just the oldest fart amongst the crowd here?
Ohhh yeah I remember
It would be wierd if they didn't come up with this topic.
i remember my mom talking to me about this! i heard one of their songs and she told me how wild it was firstly seeing it happen
Milli Vanilli is a sad story for Rob & Fab and the real singers. Their producer clearly hadn't thought through his plan.
GIRL YOU KNOW ITS TRUE!
So from my understanding an industry plant is a musician that is popular not for have good music but because it was paid to be popular. Prince the singer once said while you may sell a lot of albums it doesn't mean you are a good musician. I believe he was referring to artist and their label pay for the number one spot on the charts. Thanks for the video.
It's kind of uncanny how hollow these industry plants are. I don't know why the record companies don't pick people with more personality.
Because they’d say no
@@jacksonconstantine5740 Travis Scott didn't say no. He's an industry with more personality than the artist in this video.
@@jasonboudreaux1930 exception to the rule
I think it’s because raw personality is pretty hard to sell to a group of people, people have to be *attracted* to a personality and a character, not sold one. but selling a *manufactured identity* is easy, anyone who can play the role can have their identity sold to a specific subset of people.
like take chappell roan (who got dropped by her lable before rise and fall of a midwest princess), her personality arguably shines through her music and that’s why a lot of people are attracted to her, yes, she did benefit from virality, but her fans stuck after because of her personality.
went on a bit of a tangent at the end but I hope you got what I mean 😭
I'm not that clued up on the music industry but I always find your videos both interesting and entertaining! Good sh!t
let me clue you up.
you either make music or you do not make music.
hope that helped and saved you 20 minutes of being a tool.
Definitely he should continue. Maybe he should do a ice spice video?
I dont understand how these industry plants are always mediocre and dont sound that great when there's a bunch of really good artists out there who are making good music on their own that would be better choices for the labels to make much more money from and/or not lose it.
It’s easier to control an artist and sign them to crappy contracts. Labels also will use that artist to push out the one with true talent that rejected the offer said plant signed up for. Mariah Carey and Jennifer Lopez take the top spot of these tactics.
Jumex is such a plant that I only heard about him in a video about industry plants that someone did about 4 or more years ago.
We got you, this should have been huge, bro got a gift for research and a great visual edits
thank u 🙏
Damn !!!’calling that girl a potato with no personality is foul
It honestly all comes down to good music and actual talent. That's the only thing that will give an artist longevity. They need to be made for this. Cash grabs will just continue to come and go. It's ok for a talented artist to get help from labels and market executives in order to stand out or be more marketable. But if the music isn't good. It will eventually fail.
Smilez is definitely a rich parent situation. I LOVED Drive A back in the day. Saw them 3 times, I believe. They were great! Their album World in Shambles is super good. It was released on a label called Dead Conflict Records....which ONLY has Drive A releases in their catalog. And address listed for DCR is for a home in Malibu that belongs to his parents. So, they started a record company to release their albums. Which is how I assume they got on the tours they were on, as well. Such a crazy "career" he has had. A guy in the band named Jason Nott is in his own band now called Beachwood Coyotes. They're not bad. They should have stuck with Drive A, they were getting fairly popular there for a minute.
Honestly glad to see someone else recognize how good Drive A was.
I can verify all of this 100%
While I agree that the quality of the music matters most at the end of the day, the biggest problem I have with industry plants is that so many mediocre "artists" are propped up by these labels and marketed so heavily that they end up taking opportunity from real, authentic, better artists who remain underground and never see mainstream success. I guess daddy's money will always speak louder than fresh ideas.
In the end the underground artists Win because the views stop with the plants but the authentic artists still getting views
Because at the end of the day they don't want genuine artists taking ACTUAL risks and challenging things. They want puppets. Puppets they can mold into whatever they want, even if that's to have them play the part of a risk-taking, boundary-pushing, groundbreaking artist...so long as you only push the boundaries they are ok with.
Blud just described capitalism
I went to school with Icy Narco and he was actually really chill but didn't try at all in school. He just was always saying he was going to be a rapper but when he starting getting popular he unfollowed everyone from school on ig so a lot of people from our school never liked him lmfao.
HOLY SHIT! I didn't know who smilez was! I saw Drive A over ten years ago opening for escape the fate. That band was actually really good! They fell off and then I never knew what happened to them!
I was working in a recording studio in 2013 and Jack from Smilez came in for a few days with his band Raw Fabrics recording their album. Seemed like a guy just having fun and trying to get his indie rock band off the ground, he was ripping some guitar solos and I remember them having a cool sound and knowing their way around the gear. It's so wild to see this video after not hearing about this guy for 10 years!!!
hey idk if u remember me but i been here for a real real long time. its so good to see that you got big
Sad about baby goth. I talked to her in her comments a bit on Tiktok and she had said she’s been battling issues with the people she had signed with and can’t say much until the court stuff is final. I think she’s super sweet💚
You talked to someone who runs her socials... Don't be so gullible.
Lmao that generation is so fuked
@@dijonvon4378 Does someone run her socials?
@@dijonvon4378whoops
It’s not sad, she sold her soul, art and integrity. Deserved tbh
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These "plants" are made to look and sound terrible on purpose. That way the real industry plants can make it in no issue by comparison. Its no wonder they all look over the top.
i used to have a jumex fanpage nd we had an active groupchat with his gf she was really nice but he treated her so bad. one time he posted something saying “my ex is a whore” nd we were talking it nd she told us he was doing hard drugs nd talking to girls our age(we were like 12-13 at the time) she also tried to get us to buy his merch im glad we didnt tho lol
WHAT
Dope rewatch. Still think we need a video on successful plants like Oliver Tree, Travis Scott, etc!
lotta ppl asking ill probs do it in a month or so!
Oliver tree not really a plant lol
@@rabidhog4912 he is☠️
Le flame a plant? Put the dope down
Lil Nas X too
I have no idea who any of these people are yet here I am watching this.
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This is why the SoundCloud rap scene died, because of gentrification
I remember back in the day people in my high school were calling lil xan an industry plant and my response was always “nahhh he’s just a lost kid with bad lyrics and a overwhelming drug habit” 😂 look at him now
That kid made me hate modern rap. Just the whole concept. Then I saw him get jumped for talking crap about 2pac, finding out his dad's a crackhead, and his manager caring more about himself than him. Now I feel really bad for him
Your definition was very concise and narrow the other two definitions were pretty broad. That’s a good definition for industry plant.
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I've never heard of this dude Smiles, but I'd love it if you would make an in-depth video on him like you said you might and I think other people who watch your videos would like that too. Kind of an interesting industry plant case if it's dad paying for the promotion instead of a label.
thank u! def considering doing a full vid on him
Ice Spice gives me "Industry Plant" energy, but she's so charismatic that I don't really mind it; her music isn't that bad either. She's got potential, and she also seems like a very chill and sweet person 😭❤️
I don’t think she is an industry plant(could be wrong.) I DO think that weekend she went to meet Drake it changed the entire trajectory of her career from one-hit-wonder to future superstar!
Grown ass woman did a 3 day play date with a child for clout lmaoooooooo
Her music is bad
@@justofon agreed, people that listen to her or something like glorilla are people that loot Target and Ulta stores and contribute nothing of value to society /rant
she has a big booty and tiddies
Surely I can't be the only one who noticed at 4:24 he's "singing" into the top part of that mic. That screams to me "I have no clue what I'm doing."
There’s a country singer I think falls in this category. There was this kid named Tucker Betherd in 2016 that got on the radio and opened for major country singers for a bit. Eric church, one of the most popular country singers in the nation, sang a song ‘Homeboy’ written by tuckers dad. Pretty much the only thing I remember was that his dad wrote a big song
Rihanna is probably the most famous example of an industry plant. She didn’t do music, didn’t sing, but someone with Jay Z, while he was president at Def Jam in need of new artists, spotted her on a beach and liked her look. They gave her vocal training, dance training, artist development and put her out.
As recently as her third album-based on an old NPR doc I listened to on her-every song, vocal melody, beat, fashion choice, video concept, single, album concept … was chosen, created, and put together by the label and producers and songwriters. She was as much of a puppet that has ever existed in the music industry. The main songwriter who did her songs even made all the specific vocal inflections on the demo that Rihanna would mimic-Ester Dean, who also kind of sounds like her btw
Not hating, just stating the facts. I’m sure this is more common than people know.
It’s basically not much different than an A&R developing local band or solo act in the past: signing them, getting them studio time, helping them “come out” in hopes that they catch on. That’s just how the business works.
It’s just in the case of someone like Rihanna, it appears that having a “look” was the main priority.
Jay also probably had insight on how to build an someone into a singer by being married to Beyoncé, who didn’t appear to have a lot of natural talent based on her earlier performing clips, but DID have the drive to get the professional coaching and development to work on her act.
Yea alot of it is facts, but end of the day, Rihanna is not mediocre, her longevity/star is more than a trend
To say Beyoncé and Rihanna had no talent and it was all vocal lessons and all this “other stuff” is hilarious 😂😂
"Beyoncé, who didn’t appear to have a lot of natural talent based on her earlier performing clips,"
Beyonce literally was the STAR of Destiny's Child. So, I'll have to disagree with you, saying she doesn't have a lot of natural talent. Please sksksk.
Woah sir Beyonce literally been singing since she was a little girl backtrack a little bit
Just about 100% of rap groups are industry plants... you'd be harder pressed to find ONE that isn't... Wu-Tang Clan??? One of the only ones I can think of right now. EVERY rap group HAS to be an industry plant as none of them have any musical talent and need help with EVERYTHING, they can't make the tracks, can't record, can't do anything but say "bix nood" into a microphone... and a lot of the time they have problems with that. There is footage of DMX in a studio pissed off that the producer is asking him to actually do lines to HIS song, he's like... "BUT WHY YOU CAN'T JUST PIECE TOGETHER THE ONES I DID EARLIER????"
my frustration with that entire subgenre is perfectly personified by that one snl skit with pete and timothee
DROP THAT YEET SKRT THAT YEET YOU NEVER LOVED ME MOM 😂
Jumex… Jumex is a trademarked name of a COMPANY IN MEXICO, THEY SELL JUICES!!!! This is hilarious to me, oh my god, I legit thought you were talking about them and was like “when? When did they try to make their own Hannah Montana? I didn’t know”
Billy Eilish is who I think of when I hear the term.
Baby Goth was one of those artists that came out from that portal with mumble trap rappers that came out of nowhere in 2018. She was like mixed female version with lil xanax and 6ix9ine. I remember her first solo song but it didn't aged well just like this era that ended quickly and trends has been changed.
Garbage was my favorite industry plant. Basically a bunch of producers, they hired a singer, and they made a fortune. Lorde is another, she responded to an ad and they told her how to look and what to do.
I think what differentiates these artists is that the music actually had real substance and personality to it. Shirley Manson may have been a randomish hire, but she could still sing and be her authentic self
Sex pistols as well.
I love both, but are they really plants? It's normal for A&R people scouting you to tell you how to look and sound. I know this first hand, the dude even convinced us to change the structure of a song so it would be more poppy. I think it can appear that an artist is a plant when really they are just agreeing to whatever the label is telling them to do.
This makes her Reddit post make so much more sense
Some other interesting industry plants are Clever, 645ar, and Mario Judah. I also feel like Tom Macdonald has some kind of industry connection he’s hiding
TmacD is just to provoke left vs right
Clever is great tho lol glad hes not all over mainstream
Mario Judah?
645AR is at least funny.
Tom Mac defo an industry plant. He is basically everything the industry would think the public would think an independent artist acts like
My take on the definition of industry plant is that if an artists' presence is more greatly attributed to the label rather than their true popularity, than they are a plant. Of course an artist can move in and out of this definition as their label support and true support changes over time.
7:03 I gotta disagree. This is a common thing said with industry plants. "Oh if the music is good who cares?" Well this is actually bad for music as a whole. Because what it tells labels is that instead of finding good artists who have a solid foundation of music and help take them to the next level they can just find some bland person and invest money into them to hope they make more money. So therefore instead of artists who have great potential being pushed, we will only have a bunch of artists we will get sick of quickly because they were not here to make good music, but just to return an investment. People complain about the influx of face tattoo SoundCloud artists that occurred from 2015 to mid 2018 and don't realize that saying "who cares as long as the music is good" was the reason a lot of these industry plants got pushed in the first place.
Rewatched the whole video . I'm team matty . These videos are important to culture and matty is precious and important to the culture
What's wild is I've never heard of any of these kids.
Thanks for talking about smilez because for a while there I thought he was being planted by a major label but it just turned out to be rich family. An industry plant or at least someone attempting to plant themselves that you should talk about is ghostluvme, his music is pretty terrible but he seems to have unlimited funding linking up with rappers like Future, Lil Uzi, Trippie Redd, in studio sessions with actually famous people, consistently paying for promo/ads, tried to do some digging myself but I can't find how he's funding this
I thought the same thing! Randomly doing songs w Uzi lol
Jumex isn't really emo, he's more of an e-kid. Actual emo would be bands like My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, Paramore, and Panic At The Disco.
I think the key to an industry plant isn’t just that they don’t talk about their label, but that they are in some way actively obscuring the degree of backing they have from industry sources.
Smilez isn't a plant ☘️ He's just a rich person with too much time and money on his hands
Thought I had watched this at work yesterday lol. Watching it again cause you did a great job as usual.👍🏽
thanks!
The Babygoth story is a bit sad. Getting face tats with a whole family.
This video was interesting for me, being from a previous generation where the definitions for "industry plant" was a little bit different. I'm not into any of this music myself that is discussed here, but it is still interesting to learn about.
jumex's videos all say directed by him now, in the title. hmm. that is so wild. i hadnt heard of him before this video anyway.
Jumex still makes me sad. He had artistic vision but his first impressions really ruined it for him. I honestly hope the best for him .
He’s not really a good person. We talked before and he was really rude and prideful it’s sad to see ngl cause he was the reason I made music
i had said sum abt him bein a wannabe punk once n he decided to join my ig lives and harass me n get all pissed for no reason. ntm a guy ik was connected to him n he jus wasnt a nice person at all
@@SpacieKid you insulted him first tho 😅
@@lovezaex that sucks bc I’ve had so many conversations w him and it’s always been very sweet and genuine and we’ve discussed real issues
@@NAofficialmusic 🤣🤣🤣
Seems like Ice Spice is the main industry plant that's doing well right now.
Bruh I agree
Put money she will be the next cardi b
y'all will throw this term everywhere even more know, still not knowing what is actually means
@@h3avenscent news flash: she just started like 2 years ago and already has collabs with some of the biggest artists. she literally raps about what every other female rapper raps about and some of them have been in the game for a decade with no good collabs. if anyone doesn't know what the term means, its you. :)
I didn't realize people actually listen to ice spice I just thought she was funny asf and the memes were the reason she's popular
she made music and wasn't doing too bad before all her fame
There's plenty of big media TH-cam plants too. The Merrell Twins, Tyler Oakley and iJustine come very readily to mind.
I saw Drive A here in SC back in the day at a festival type of show. I always wondered what happened to them, they had great energy and were willing to talk and hang with everyone.
When I hear "Industry Plant" I think of someone whose whole image and sound is manufactured by a record label. But thats just me.
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"flexing but emotional" 💀
I like this definition. It's describes a phenomena I've observed in the R&B music industry
Yeah it's pretty good. I always thought of that episode of Simpsons where bart's band gets recruited by the navy 😆
@@josflorida5346 😂😂😂
Just found your channel, I'm gonna be watching all your old videos you're a hell of a good music journalist
could you make a video about "industry plants that succeeded"?
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@@cristiancepeda_yt is he really an industry plant?
@@Mo-xj8sx he got an album called industry plant bro comeon 😂
Travis scott lol
@@Luzion I’ve only heard like 2 of his songs back in 2019 when they made fortnite montages with them, cool to know he was an industry plant
Rewatcher here! I am glad that you mentioned Progresss. His primary content was exposing industry plants for a bit and it was incredibly entertaining to watch.
I forgot the band Drive A existed lmao. Thats a memory from my depths...
Your videos are dope and informative. Keep up the good work.
The Smilez situation is VERY common. I’d say a good 20% of popular “Artists” are in the business through the same methods. If not more ! Just FACTS
Getting a face tat when you don’t have at least 7 figures in the bank is the dumbest of the dumbest moves.
i remember listening to Jumex back at 2019.
damn.. time sure files