SSL Channel Strip Shoot Out PT 2 - Solid State Logic vs BrainWorx BX 4000E

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  • @GatoPaint
    @GatoPaint 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    one thing Plugin Alliance did on their plugin , in comparison to the SSL Native one , is that the Channel Strip from Brainworx its 2 plugins form SSL Native, you get the saturation characteristics and the Channel Strip in just one plugin, and SSL Native sells those two options separately , also the TMT non linear approach of modeling I found it amazing, so just consider those two things, Brainworx its basically 2 plugins from SSL Native in one BX plugin.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching!

    • @gabrielraphaelofficial
      @gabrielraphaelofficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would you not have them separate?
      Their lindel plug is nice, allows you to swap between characteristics withing the plug, maybe SSL will add 4k 9k etc

    • @freddygonzalez889
      @freddygonzalez889 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it's the way around. PA SSL G and E series are 2 separate BX plugins.

  • @allenm
    @allenm 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    plugin alliance is the distributer, brainworx is the manufacturer

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep....thanks for the clarification and for watching!

    • @ezrashanti
      @ezrashanti 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The founder of Brainworx created and owns Plugin Alliance also.

  • @rylieriley
    @rylieriley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You're actually not just rambling, you give a lot of food for thought and I appreciate that. As far as the plugins go, they're both so good that I'd have trouble choosing between them. I guess it would be best to have both.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much for watching! I really appreciate your support! Be sure to check out my website for even more training.
      www.homerecordingmadeeasy.com

  • @felipousismix
    @felipousismix 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The SSL is using the same algorithm of the C200/300 digital consoles inspired by the 9K series consoles while the Brainworx emulates the 4K. Both sound great, thanks for the video.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching!

    • @gabejohnston1556
      @gabejohnston1556 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      VERY important point. The SSL is not emulating the 4000 at all. The Brainworx is specifically emulating the 4000.

    • @gabrielraphaelofficial
      @gabrielraphaelofficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      4k never had decent pres incase anyone got suckered into buying a SSL2 I/O

    • @NoQualmsTheArtist
      @NoQualmsTheArtist 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually it is the 4000 G & E you choose which one by pressing the E button.

    • @mez9767
      @mez9767 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gabrielraphaelofficial much better pre’s than focusrite though

  • @theunspeakablycrass
    @theunspeakablycrass 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    They both sound amazing. However, the fact that you can throw the BX 4000E on every channel and use TMT to randomize all instances to create a slight variation from channel to channel is pinnacle. It creates this amazing depth to your mixes. Brainworx for the win.

  • @ProdByThatGuyFace
    @ProdByThatGuyFace 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just paid 24.99 for the bx SSL. Plugin Alliance has some of the best deals. Also during valentines day SSL had a deal gor the channel strip and the bus compressor for 49.99 so I couldnt pass that up.

  • @WayneDawkinsThePartyMan
    @WayneDawkinsThePartyMan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is wonderful. It actually shows your skill as a mixer because both mixes sound exceptional. What has always been amazing to me is how the first duende plugins actually achieved such a smooth top end. I use to tell myself that the frequency range is higher. However I have tried models of ssl plugs that went higher than 16 k and they didn’t sound as smooth. Limited research will show that the solid state version is really a port and not an emulation. What expert they are to achieve that sound in digital. Simply amazing.
    The waves cla mix hub I welcome because the saturation is driven by the input and not a drive knob. Plus it lays out nicely on a certain control surface. Also with the waves when you adjust input the actual input meters register and shows the increase. It is just hard to resist the obvious though. All plug-in makers say they 100 percent accurately model a gear but never compare their plug-in against that gear live. The beauty of the ssl version is that it is a port and for some reason sounds better without added saturation knobs etc.

  • @ceed3d396
    @ceed3d396 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And right now the (SSL Native Channel Strip2 and SSL Native Bus Compressor2) are on sale. Both together for $49

  • @NoQualmsTheArtist
    @NoQualmsTheArtist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I own both of these and the top end of the SSL Native sounds smoother and more expensive. I originally thought that the TMT would give me an analogue summing effect, but I ended up not actually liking it. I own a lot of PA plugins they are top notch but there is something magical about the SSL Native plugins, there is a clarity and punch and presence that just sounds expensive.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. The SSL Native has a sound that is not quite in the other channel strips

    • @cesargonzalezbueno3359
      @cesargonzalezbueno3359 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with you. I deal with Hip hop, Rap/Trap and Reggaeton and to my ears SSL plugins are a most have for those genres. To me the SSL Fusion are the best and then Plugin Alliance in my opinion.

  • @PaulPaid
    @PaulPaid 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    SSL Hands Down. It was basically 3D compared to the Brainworx.

  • @djorig
    @djorig 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I agree with your description of the difference between the two. I did like the brighter, openness of the BX version.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much for watching! I really appreciate your support! Be sure to check out my website for even more training.
      www.homerecordingmadeeasy.com

  • @zakrahman479
    @zakrahman479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An excellent review. I appreciate the painstaking approach and method. But also, it's now a couple of years later and there's the SSL Native 2, bx_9000 J and Waves redid theirs...so time for another shoot out? haha.
    Thank you for the video.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      nope, no more shoot outs. No reason to do one. People can go demo the plugins for them selfs and do their own shoot out. LOL

  • @dat1beats
    @dat1beats 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Good video. I just got the PA bx Console E for $24.

  • @Harrysound
    @Harrysound 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The SSL bus compressor seemed to be very similar to native instruments one by soft tube. I really like the ssl channel strip but I have the PA one and it might do until there’s a sale. To be Im honest though I’m thinking there’s better channel strips than the 4000e

  • @Tha_Mecca
    @Tha_Mecca 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Plug-in boutique has a sale on the channel strip 2 and bus comp for $49. Also, I love both. BX always comes with the extra features and I love them for it and I agree with you. But idk it’s something about getting SSL channels direct from the source but u can’t go wrong with Brainworx or direct from SSL.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      All the different SSL channel strips out there sound really good.

  • @troystorm3306
    @troystorm3306 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great video David! I really like the mouse pointer when it highlights when you click it, much easier to follow you. Hope you continue to use this more in the future. Sorry you're getting hammered by some trolls. Keep being you and keep up the good work!

  • @doc31648
    @doc31648 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    appreciate this Dave...you are a good man doing this...I have and like both of them; but use the p/a strip most

  • @musicman8942
    @musicman8942 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What doesn't get mentioned (I don't think) is that the SSL programmed plugin is NOT from a 4000 console but their live console. The Brainworx one is from a 4000 console. Heartburn from a lot of people that have the Brainworx one is that the input gain knob adjustments aren't registered in the metering.

  • @Aaezil
    @Aaezil 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those two plugins aren't modeling the same board thought maybe you should mention that. Thanks!

  • @BojanBojovic
    @BojanBojovic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got this BX SSL for 29 bucks. Not sure what to think about its compressor, it needs 10db more input to work the same as Waves original SSL channel. Also not sure how accurate the original Waves SSL was, but MixHub and EV2 compressors still sound very similar with each other while this BX one does not work the same, it has different treshold and knee curves.

  • @nichttuntun3364
    @nichttuntun3364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Brainworx has the typical bx highs and I don't mean that in a too positive way. Luckily you can roll them off.

  • @lastdaysguitar
    @lastdaysguitar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for holding a mirror up to the trolls, man - they get away with way too much!
    I just got the SSL strip and Mixbus plugs because of their recent 90% off Valentines sale - so far I like it a lot especially for drums.

  • @DanielFowlerSr
    @DanielFowlerSr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for this perspective. I just purchased a UAD Quad Satellite and did not understand what it did that was so great compared to what I already have. I have a 14 Core i9 with 128GB Ram and everything works fine in my workflow. You helped me to slightly appreciate the modeling and DSP in the UAD. I really like your method of educating . . .

  • @PurpleMusicProductions
    @PurpleMusicProductions ปีที่แล้ว

    I have to amend my original post. I agree with Dave on this one. The SSL Native sounds better than the other options as I have both and my ears have changed and become more adept in proper listening.

  • @moraesg00
    @moraesg00 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just came here to say that both SSL Native Chanel strip and Bus compressor on special until the 19th of Feb 2021 for 49 dollars !!

  • @ST-fl5fy
    @ST-fl5fy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you ever compared the SSL native which is based on the 9000J vs the brainworx 9000J?

  • @f18studios46
    @f18studios46 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the review. I've been trying to work out which one I should go for personally and I SSL is a strong winner for me too. Thanks again.

  • @winstondejesusofficial
    @winstondejesusofficial 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have a video giving tip on side chain compression? Blessings

  • @theblowupdollsmusic
    @theblowupdollsmusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for taking the time to do this. It sounds like there is about 2 or 4 db more gain on the BX.

  • @n0g4rdd3r9
    @n0g4rdd3r9 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great vid Dave! Keep 'em comin'!
    As pleasing as the SSL Native was on the ears, I'm slightly leaning toward the BX version.
    Con:
    May have to tweak the EQ to cut some of the initial harshness or add some warmth to help shape the overall vibe.
    Pro:
    up to '72' different modelled channels on an SSL desk is amazing. All other companies model '1' channel.
    My verdict:
    BX4000 is expensive for sure, but worth the wait for it to be on sale. Can't afford to let EQing be a setback.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its went on sale last week for $49 and is a STEAL at that price! Thanks so much for watching!

    • @n0g4rdd3r9
      @n0g4rdd3r9 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep...kicking myself for missing the boat. Eyes open!@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy

  • @zinghao131
    @zinghao131 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just got the BX one on sale. I have used the BX Townhouse and the SSL Native Drumstrip and happy with both, so the selling point here was the price. Basically whoever had the offer at the right time won. Few things though about the BX: I tend to use x3 and /3 settings a lot, and I am a bit of a gain person, the TMT is a good addition, ABCD comparison as well, and then there's a fader, not a knob! And, what's not a functionality issue, but a great feature is that you can collapse the BX to half size so I can have, say 8 channels on the screen, and comfortably mix them, by enlarging the one I am tweaking, which is a bit of a game changer!

  • @jameslugo
    @jameslugo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve been demoing them both all not. The ssl just sounds right to me. The bx has a funky hypyness.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey James. I am a long time fan of your channel. Love what you do. Thank you so much for watching. I know you had an SSL console so I trust your opinion on this topic for sure. Have a good one!!

  • @menelik23dedon
    @menelik23dedon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i totally agree with you, the ssl native plugs are very powerful

  • @MittensUK
    @MittensUK 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wanted to say you should really state which plugin you made your original mix settings on. So, did you mix with the SSL to begin with and then duplicate the settings on the Brainworx or visa vesa? i’m happy to see your opinion. the SSL does sound great, but would be interested to see how a mix that begins on the Brainworx ends up comparing on settings duplicated on the SSL. Cheers!

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the feedback. As I say people can demo these plugins as well and decide how they want to set them up, compare them etc. if people want to be very specific then they should do their own experiment. Thanks for watching.

  • @dmo2713
    @dmo2713 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I buy the SSL Channel Strip 1? Or is it discontinued now that the Channel Strip 2 is out? I don't see it on SSL's website.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I dont think you can anymore.

    • @dmo2713
      @dmo2713 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HomeRecordingMadeEasy I emailed ssl’s support team and they said the license is for both the old and the new version. But I don’t think that everyone knows that

  • @matthewbryant2972
    @matthewbryant2972 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You ever compare SSL to the Renaissance plug ins? They still make the renaissance ones right? That set out to be SSL and ended up kinda sounding better... from what I remember in 2006.

  • @Skkyyyyyyyyyyy
    @Skkyyyyyyyyyyy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Listening on my iPhone speakers and you’re right. The Native has more depth to it than the Brainworx. But the difference is in the single digit % range. The differences aren’t great enough to have a CLEAR winner. You can get the same sounds out of either of them. I’d like to see you do a part 3 of this test with the new SSL J channel.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're correct. They all sound great and if tweaked, you can get them very, very close to each other.

  • @Truth565
    @Truth565 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks again for another great comparison. If I listen on headphones, the SSL does have a smoother top end, but the BX is more 3D. It gives more of an impression of a live sound as opposed to a studio recording.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      cool!

    • @Truth565
      @Truth565 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Replying to my own post :-) Listened on my studio monitors Focal Shape 65's today and I hear the same more 3D ness on those too. To my ears, the whole mix just comes more alive on the BX SSL. Maybe it's the TMT modelling that is opening it up.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      excellent! I need to play around more with the PA one myself! thanks for the info

  • @histakes12
    @histakes12 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I seem to notice you are driving the input of the SSL Native. Maybe 4-5db? However, you seem to have raised the “V-Gain” in the bx SSL (which is noise), and not the input. So the bx SSL is receiving a lower level input. But both plugins have the output turned down a bit, but seems like you refuced the Native a little more (prob compensating for increased input). Thank you for the video.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much for watching! I really appreciate your support! Be sure to check out my website for even more training. Also, a brand new home recording podcast is available
      www.homerecordingmadeeasy.com
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  • @iamtorrego
    @iamtorrego 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is my impression that the Brainworx sounds more spacious and clearer, not only brighter. Probably EQ can get the SSL to to that point, but it sound effortlessly on the bx.

  • @jimnorrison8481
    @jimnorrison8481 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Plugin Alliance always has specials. Right now BX 4000E is $49! I paid $149 for it. You review is spot on. I own both of these plugins as well as the UA version. The SSL Channel strip doesn't produce any distortion and that is one reason it sounds cleaner. The BX offers the character and non linearities of the older consoles, including the compressor. The UA version is not in the same league. PA also has the Alpha mastering compressor $49. Anyone reading this, by them both. I've never seen them advertised this low.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank Jim - Thank you for watching.
      www.homerecordingmadeeasy.com

  • @gabrielraphaelofficial
    @gabrielraphaelofficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you think its worth paying Plugin Alliance a subscription for the mega bundle?
    So far I like the idea of Lindel, SSL and mag eq, never tried anything else yet

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it's a good deal if there are 8-10 plugins that you really like and will use.

    • @gabrielraphaelofficial
      @gabrielraphaelofficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HomeRecordingMadeEasyThey are offering the SSL for $40 today, is a single one off plug going to require this plug alliance install manager (seems like waves in a way)

  • @danielkisel5661
    @danielkisel5661 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like the Native one, but I bought Brainworx version for 50 bucks... :)
    You forgot to mention, that Brainworx version has mix knob and highpass filter on the compressor and also switchable E/G style compression which I love, and also now recent version has analog button, so you can turn of the analog flavour If you want to, and also it has 2 types of eg you can click that eq type button where you can choose black or brown knob version

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the information!

    • @johneric7018
      @johneric7018 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good info. I have them both but been a while since I've opens either

  • @richiefamus8778
    @richiefamus8778 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Dave, great video. Question, are you setting the sound up on the SSL first, and then matching the settings on the other plugs? If so, if you got things sounding great using one of the others first, and then matched the settings with the SSL, it's possible that you may like those others better?? The plugin alliance one probably needs to use the channel feature as you said to maybe "overtake" the ssl. At any rate, I like your input on these things. Thanks again sir.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Richie.....yes, I set up the Solid State first to sound the way I wanted and then set the other to the same settings which is not "completely" fair and I realize that. Like I said in the video if I were to just use the PA plugin and dial that one in I think I can get it sounding amazing as well. Also, keep in mind these two plugins are modelling two completely different analog desks so there is that variable as well.

  • @cogbeatz
    @cogbeatz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you so much for another great video. I LOVE Plugin Alliance and reasons why I support them is because 1. they care about their customers, me included 2. they distribute great plugins (believe me most of them are underrated) 3. they offer great deals once you start purchasing plugins from them. I, like many others, have received lots of vouchers and crazy discounts. I bought both the BX Console SSL 4000 E & G for less than a 100 bucks about 3 weeks ago when they were on sale !!! I have all the Channel Strip emulations you've mentioned in this video except for the UAD one and i must say that the BX ones sound so much better to my ears, in my opinion. I use them on every mix. Maybe i will try the UAD someday when i get the UAD stuff 😀 BRAINWORX FOR THE WIN!

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good points and I am happy you found the one you like best. It's all personal preference and in the end, they all have their purpose.

    • @cogbeatz
      @cogbeatz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HomeRecordingMadeEasy You can say that again. Thanks once again

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You got it! Thanks for supporting the channel!

  • @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
    @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    To my NOOB ears, they highs on the Plugin Alliance did feel a bit like much to me.
    If I may ask, Does SSL have Hardware to run their plugins also, or is Universal Audio the only company doing the hardware loading? Sorry, again still learning.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, SSL does not need hardware to run its plugins

    • @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
      @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HomeRecordingMadeEasy I apologize for my lack of clarity.
      What intended to inquire was:
      "Is it possible to offload the SSL Plugin processing to the new SSL2 & SSL2+ Hardware interfaces"?
      BTW thank you for the unending incredible content. You are a source who am coming to learn to be earnest, among many content providers focused on free hardware, software, and networking as priority to their viewers. Therefore, as someone new to all of this, I wanted to convey my appreciation...
      ...And, also wish you a safe, warm, and productive weekend.
      Na zdrowie!

  • @Schilliebillie
    @Schilliebillie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just a simple thank you! I like your dedication.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much for the kind words and for your support

  • @markgriffiths5122
    @markgriffiths5122 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm also trying the SSL Native vs PA - I also find that the SSL sounds nicer at the top end, matching the EQ settings the PA sounds shriller. I also watched your other video with UAD & Waves. I wonder how you set up the EQing in the first place. I set up the SSL first and then matched the settings on the PA. I wonder what have happened if I'd first dialled in the PA - maybe I would have thought the SSL was a bit dull? However, I did back off the HMF gain and it still sounded a bit shrill. Interesting. Thanks for doing this.

  • @farmersuiticles
    @farmersuiticles 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for these. There's a flaw to how you've done the comparison though in that you'd have to do the actual mix with one plug-in and then match the rest, which places them at a disadvantage as you're not actually mixing with them. I suspect you mixed with the Solid State Logic one and then just matched the settings for the rest by numbers rather than ear.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, but its just a comparison to hear the differences. If you want to get down to the "neddy gritty" then I suggest that people go demo these yourself and mix with each of them and see which you like best. Thanks for watching

    • @farmersuiticles
      @farmersuiticles 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HomeRecordingMadeEasy On the plus side I did take out a sub (having bought the Waves ones a week ago lol) and will probably look at your courses as you clearly know what you're talking about. Do you have a SSL specific course?

  • @johnludwig2093
    @johnludwig2093 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid, David. I am one of your loyal, long-time customers, and this is one of your best because you really explain it. Thanks!

  • @TheSupergan
    @TheSupergan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the review but for the people who got doubts about these plugins how a copy can be better than the original coming from SSL? If you want a Ferrari will you buy the original or a copy?

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All these plugins in this video are very good and sound a bit different. It's up to you to decide which you like better and if you feel the Solid State Logic plugins are better than go for it! I love the Solid State Logic stuff. I use them a lot in my productions.

  • @RobertNaik
    @RobertNaik 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. I’d just like to say - The plugin Alliance version is a great deal at 49. If you sign up for there email newsletter they email you deals. That’s how I got it. I’m a musician not a mixing engineer so it’s fine for me. I also have a good bit of other stuff so with this it covers a few mores bases for me like sound toys - slate Vms. Only think is I wish they had a way of just turning this into a view like softube so you could see it as a parameter eq.

  • @ZenoMOD
    @ZenoMOD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I personally think that the Bx Channelstrip gives more 3d depth. especially if TMT is used. with a little more inputgain and thd, the plugin is also really punch. And the brown knob LF EQ is just awesome on kick / bass tracks. For me, the ssl native has now disappeared under a thick layer of dust.

  • @n0g4rdd3r9
    @n0g4rdd3r9 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    14:28 is that a little vodka action you got going on there?

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much for watching! I really appreciate your support! Be sure to check out my website for even more training.
      www.homerecordingmadeeasy.com

  • @graphman8402
    @graphman8402 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    WAVES gui too small in Studio ONE 5. BX and SSL have large gui necessitating a 4k monitor (or two). ONLY BX talks to Studio ONE to allow a concise parameter (non-gui) list to drop down when you hit expand/collapse on the INSERT list. I am really surprised SSL does not, considering it is a $1500 plugin set! OR am I missing a setting in SSL to allow it to have a parameter list show in Studio ONE 5 ???

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Waves does have a resizable GUI if you have version 12 of their plugins.

  • @ST-fl5fy
    @ST-fl5fy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Both are good. Brainworx more radio ready. SSL smoother less punch.

  • @Jonhilsea
    @Jonhilsea 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great videos you've done. Thanks, now I've just signed up for the 5 bucks subscription for the Solid State Logic.

  • @shadowhenge7118
    @shadowhenge7118 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats your opinion on the ssl emulations native instruments has? They're the only ones i have right now (solid series) and am thinking of the brainworx one.

  • @FC-xc3zy
    @FC-xc3zy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good demo. I would wait until they are in sale. I never paid more than $30 for all my SSL stuff

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agreed! They put these on sale a few times during the year

  • @FrancisJoa
    @FrancisJoa 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The SSL Nuende channelstrip is not based on the 4000 E channelstrip. It is based on the SSL digital consoles channelstrip.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know and said that these plugins are not based on the same model console so of course, they will sound a bit different.

  • @ronandemary
    @ronandemary 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video and the intro :-) Did you first plug the SSL and after copy your settings on the bx_ ? If so, maybe it's the difference. Anyway, both seems to be very impressive like you say. I'm gonna have a test. Keep on with your videos, merci beaucoup.

  • @rexweible3747
    @rexweible3747 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with you David the Solid State Logic has it in the bottom end and that is where almost all of us out here need as much help in the bottom end as we can get great job David

  • @GatoPaint
    @GatoPaint 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've found it really hard to move on from the Waves SSL to the Brainworx one hah , something happens to me in the low end since I'm the type of guy who tends to crank up those nobs! that could be the saturation characteristics of the plugin doing its thing, overall I hear something different so maybe I'll produce a track or mix it only using BW's :)

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for watching! If you are a Studio One user check this out!
      www.homerecordingmadeeasy.com/presonus-studio-one-training

  • @bparkpark1764
    @bparkpark1764 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video by the way. I have a question. How are you muting rows of plugins from left to right on Studio One. How do you do that?

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      highlight 1st track.....hold shift key and highlight the last track.....simple. :)

    • @bparkpark1764
      @bparkpark1764 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HomeRecordingMadeEasy Thank you for the response. I have my keyboard set to logic. I will try it after the kids go to school.

  • @LordTheeProducer
    @LordTheeProducer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love your positive energy

  • @karma_moths
    @karma_moths 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Video! - I'm just deciding which SSL strip to get and this was a huge help, cheers.
    To my ears using a pretty decent set up with analytical headphones the Native plugin sounds the most natural and has the most analogue character and depth and highs were a lot smoother than the BX plugin - so I'm gonna go native - just my two cents.
    Just wanted to say that I wouldn't pay too much mind to any stupid or negative comments - you do an excellent and honest job in my opinion, you could do the perfect video and still get those kind of things - If I'm being honest, I thought you perhaps came across as being a bit too affected by it (which will probably just make em worse) and went on a bit too long at the start of the video, I kept wanting you to get on with the comparison a bit sooner - hope you don't mind me saying, all the best.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the kind words and advice Mark.

    • @karma_moths
      @karma_moths 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HomeRecordingMadeEasy Not at all my friend - you've created a great channel here - this video was a huge help to me - many thanks from a new subscriber :)

  • @bennydellinger8182
    @bennydellinger8182 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watch and believe you do great work. Ignore bad comments because a few are what I call "The resident experts".

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Benny.

    • @bennydellinger8182
      @bennydellinger8182 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      By the way, when you get a chance, do a video on CLA Mixhub. I like Waves but some of their plugins suck the life out of a CPU. I have it, but no chance of getting 64 channels, maybe 12 at full speed ahead. At 67, I'm still a sponge for knowledge. :)

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      did you watch this entire video? I think I said at least twice I did a 2 video series on the CLA MixHub....LOL

    • @bennydellinger8182
      @bennydellinger8182 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HomeRecordingMadeEasy 😁 I was focused on the bx demo and that part subliminally passed by😂 I searched but couldn't find it. I understand the MixHub but the CPU hit only makes it an occasional plugin like any other. I think I have a fairly robust pc as most plugins run without issues. If you can guide me to your video on the MixHub, I'd love to watch it. Thanks again for your contributions.

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  • @spbmac
    @spbmac 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m a relatively new subscriber-love your videos! This and your part 1 are fantastic and I found very fascinating! I recently bought bx console n and really do love in particular their TMT tech and the THX dial. I really did want to hear what happens if you pressed the “random all” button (such a cool time saver) to set all the instances to a different random tmt channel and see if that popped the 3D sound out compared to the solid state logic on your song. Either way, keep making great videos! Love it!

  • @PoundSound
    @PoundSound 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job! Thank yo for sharing an honest opinion. Not many do so. There are some good companies about who are happy to provide NFRs even for small channels. Keep up the good work!

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do get offers from plugin companies all the time. Most of them I pass on. If I do get NFR's then I disclose that in the video and that does not sway my opinion one bit.

  • @chrisc7265
    @chrisc7265 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    SSL sounds more professional but the Brainworx has something interesting going for it, feels like the Waves from the other video but less cheap. I'd feel like I'd have to "open" up the SSL mix a bit by adding more and wider stereo effects, but the Brainworx already has that, especially in the mids.

  • @XiyuYang
    @XiyuYang 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really hope bx can implement some kind of control over TMT. It's a good idea, but the variation from channel to channel is WAY wider than what would happen on a well maintained desk, it should be controllable/scalable.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much for watching! I really appreciate your support! Be sure to check out my website for even more training. Also, a brand new home recording podcast is available
      www.homerecordingmadeeasy.com
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  • @equihuaivan
    @equihuaivan 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m also leaning towards the native ssl because of the depth you describe. Although bx ssl e channel is on sale rn for 50$ instead of 250$

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The BX SSL is great as well. You really cant go wrong with any of them

    • @Skkyyyyyyyyyyy
      @Skkyyyyyyyyyyy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If the Native gets you 99% of the way to the real thing. The BX gets you 95%. The differences are so subtle.

  • @mrmorpheus9707
    @mrmorpheus9707 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Solid state logic native is just more 3d..it just is

  • @LightWthoutTheStatic
    @LightWthoutTheStatic 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there any mention of processing power usage between these two?

    • @LightWthoutTheStatic
      @LightWthoutTheStatic 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also with pricing, it's worth noting that PA plugins go on sale pretty frequently as part of how this market works. Today SSL 4000 E is $50.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, I posted this sale on my FB page.....thanks for sharing!!

  • @mcpribs
    @mcpribs 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry you’ve had to deal with jerks hiding behind their keyboards. There is no need/reason for people to act that way. For the rest of us, we appreciate this content, and really, none of us lose with any of these plugins. Thank you!

  • @jorgiewtf
    @jorgiewtf 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this video man. I just got the PA strip for $30 for Black Friday and it’s honestly amazing. I worked with ssl consoles for years and it’s very close. I will see if I can get the ssl brand one on a Christmas sale and real see how much better it is to my ears in person.

  • @danielkisel5661
    @danielkisel5661 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh boy I want that SSL Native Bus compressor !
    Great video btw!

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! I appreciate your support! Be sure to stop by my site for a TON of training
      www.homerecordingmadeeasy.com
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  • @shane2973
    @shane2973 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    what was cool is that both plugins seemed to open up the mix. For me my ears went straight to the expanse of the guitars and I felt as though the BX was a bit more detailed and clear making it sound a smidge wider maybe, maybe bigger, more separate and less muddy. This via youtube so who knows. I think you nailed it saying that with a little bit of dialing you can prob get them to sound closer. I didn't feel as though the bottom was "missing" with the BX, just placed nicely because above it was so clear where the SSL Native seemed almost cloudy in comparison, but again...youtube and I could be way off...overall they both sound good. Cool video...Thanks for doing it

  • @Artek604
    @Artek604 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, thanks!!!
    I got a code from PA and can get the bx_console E at USD49+VAT during the next 24h or so. Would you say that at this price it's a no-brainer to get it? :) The SSL Native is EUR279 and requires physical iLok, so I'm not even looking at that one...

  • @stehil1454
    @stehil1454 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    DAVE! FUCK THE HATERS!!! It's a part of the internet!!! Your vids are awesome, Thank You!!!

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LOL....thanks Steve. Yep, the internet is full of haters. I am lucky to have mostly good people who appreciate the free content.

  • @Drfresh1402
    @Drfresh1402 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s crazy is I have Waves, UAD, slate, Boz, Soundtoys plugins... Plugin Alliance by far has the best sounding and most interesting plugins. I can’t believe you don’t think much of their plugins.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't have a lot of experience with them to be honest. Their channel strips seem to be good but they also have a lot of plugins that are "duds" in my opinion.

    • @najinelson6742
      @najinelson6742 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      PA has some nice ones, but also some weak plugins and you can always find something better than PA, maybe two or three exceptions only, where PA is really very good

  • @geme16862
    @geme16862 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video - thanx!!! Recently I saw a video, where they tested the actual frequencies of pa/bx 4000e. And there is a shift between the numbers of the knobs for the frequencies and the messured (actual) frequencies. For example the highs: the knob was 5k Hz and messured was 7.5k Hz (it varies from the tmt channels). In the high mids: 2k was actual 2.4k. In the low mids: 500Hz was 940Hz. To compare the plugins will be unpossible if not messured physically. Can you tell me your thoughts about this phenomenon!!?? THANX!!!!

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No idea and I was not aware of what you are claiming. If it is true then the plugins will def not sound the same. I tell people who get sooooo emotional about plugins is go try it for yourself and see which one they like. A good mixing engineer can use any of these plugins a still achieve a great mix.

    • @geme16862
      @geme16862 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HomeRecordingMadeEasy Thanks for your reply!!!

  • @PurpleMusicProductions
    @PurpleMusicProductions 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still like the native over the PA although I do like it and would consider or use it however the price difference is outrageous. The UAD and waves do not cut it between these two. If either the native or PA goes on a decent sale then I will jump on board especially coming the waves plugin.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pa stuff goes on sale often through out the year. If you are on their mail list you will get coupons

    • @PurpleMusicProductions
      @PurpleMusicProductions ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@HomeRecordingMadeEasySince my original comment and I obtained both the BX and the SSL Native and my ears and opinion have changed. After use and listening to your review again, I agree with your assessments, the SSL Native sounds better with more lowend, smoother sounding although the BX is brighter but a little harsh on the ears at the top end. The BX is the better option over the Waves and UAD and I love UAD, but can still be objective. Thanks Dave.

  • @AkseliKallunki
    @AkseliKallunki 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the great and insightful video, found what I was looking for 🤘

  • @thegroovehouserecordingstu7851
    @thegroovehouserecordingstu7851 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have all of these plugins. I was told from SSL that their plugins do not have console emulation. the Plugin Alliance does.
    However, I agree that the SSL Plugins sonically have a better 3D sound and more warmth on bottom end and a nice sizzle on the highs, more than the Plugin Alliance.

  • @anneedsall4627
    @anneedsall4627 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great customer service every time

  • @rui5421
    @rui5421 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Plugin alliance has great plugins, great loyalty benefits for customers, and they provide great alternatives to things that are popular in the UAD and Waves ecosystem. I've been turned off from waves and their new upgrade models, so getting great alternatives from PA was nice. UAD resources were also a problem so I'm glad to have two options between SSL and PA for channel strips, that let me free up UAD for other plugins that are more unique to the UAD system.

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your thoughts and for watching!

    • @rui5421
      @rui5421 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HomeRecordingMadeEasy i appreciate your videos. just picked up a few courses from your site!

  • @douglyons4518
    @douglyons4518 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice job David...on both SSL Channel E videos.
    I only have the Waves version (I'm not a UADer). But I am certainly intrigued by the Plugin Alliance strip...especially those cool, unique features. But since I have a hybrid studio (and thus spend too much money on the external hardware gear than I should), I will need to wait for a good sale on the PA product before I can pull the trigger.
    I am going to demo the PA unit soon. I like to look for unpublished side features of plug-ins and try them in unconventional ways (a la David Gnozzi). So I am eager to see if using the PA SSL-E for "V-Gain" only can make this plug-in a good saturator go-to, and how the standard features react to various drive levels.
    Thanks for all that you do for the home recording engineers and enthusiasts.

  • @matthewdeward1984
    @matthewdeward1984 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    right got the g channel for 24, and and alpha compressor:)

  • @PharaohLawLess1
    @PharaohLawLess1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you please include Acustica Audio Sand 3 in the SSL shootout? I'm interested i hearing how it compares to the other

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have no intention to buying more SSL plugins. You can problem demo that for yourself

  • @Questioneverythingx
    @Questioneverythingx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very glad I caught it on sale! Got it for $49 ( Alliance one). I love the layout and the V-gain feature but I don’t think it’s worth the full price, like you said. The one really good thing about alliance that I’ve seen is that they are always having sales on stuff like this.

  • @johnwitsenburg470
    @johnwitsenburg470 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great videos! Thanks for all!!!! (Really on point!)

  • @MrGrobot
    @MrGrobot 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great test, great channel. Thanks!!!

  • @ShazammtheProducer
    @ShazammtheProducer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your videos

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much! I appreciate your support!

    • @ShazammtheProducer
      @ShazammtheProducer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HomeRecordingMadeEasy Bro your channel has helped me out alot Thank you

  • @gabejohnston1556
    @gabejohnston1556 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You missed the 'random channel' buttons. Those tie in directly with the TMT feature. You can automatically choose a different, random channel for EVERY instance running on your DAW. MAJORLY impressive feature, as it is much more like using a real console than the other SSL emulations you've discussed except perhaps the CLA Mixhub).
    Plugin Alliance has changed most of my signal chains since I discovered them (just a few months back). I hope you will look further into what they have on offer, particularly the Brainworx stuff. I think you're missing out on some truly wonderful stuff. They have several subscription options that are more than competitive with Slate, et al.

  • @cahlajthepoetmc9746
    @cahlajthepoetmc9746 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Plugin Alliance is a solid company. They have quality products. You should check out their Metric A|B is you need a solid reference plugin.

  • @TheHithirteen
    @TheHithirteen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate you trying a plugin from a brand that has not been a favorite for you

    • @TheHithirteen
      @TheHithirteen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I paid $29 for the 4000E BrainWorx during one of their multiple day $29 sales - just create a login on their page and you will get the coupon - last day for this code BFD3-2999

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for sharing

  • @Thegideon5148
    @Thegideon5148 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey guys it's now $25, with coupon. The Plugin Alliance version that is..

    • @HomeRecordingMadeEasy
      @HomeRecordingMadeEasy  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much for watching! I really appreciate your support! Be sure to check out my website for even more training.
      www.homerecordingmadeeasy.com

  • @coolrick7139
    @coolrick7139 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    On sale I got the BX for 29 USD

  • @repairmanvcr
    @repairmanvcr 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video, I agree with you that the Native SSL sounds a little bit better. I do have the SSL from Waves and the Plugin Alliance, I also have the ones from iK Multimedia, but I use the ones from Waves and from Plugin Alliance the most.