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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
3:52 ObelusB
4:34 Obelus3
6:53 Obelus2
7:38 How to play the approaches
Special thanks to MSCoach, without his engine this video would not have been possible
Here's a link to the solver's page:
davidnhill.github.io/JSMinesw...
Thanks Obelus for sharing your knowledge about the game :)
Obelus' proof: drive.google.com/file/d/1t2MT...
Obelus:
minesweeper.online/player/354...
Me:
minesweeper.online/player/149...
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Even though I know all of these, I will never get bored of a mine buoy video, this is so intuitive and relaxing, will help a lot of new players understand with the clear and concise editing.
I think that the idea of 'patterns' in minesweeper should be extended to guessing situations like this, with common patterns having a solution that you should just know on the spot, for mastery and speed alike.
Hey :) Any feedback is really appreciated!
You can find the proof of the principle in the description down below.
Thanks Obelus for making this possible!
Every video is a bomb 😎 continue the opening series please!
And then things get complicated when "boardstate characteristic #3" isn't satisfied... I learned something about Obelus2 today, great!
Dayummmmm those transitions are lit 🔥
That's the most important thing I learned from MSCoach's engine.
this is the first minesweeper theory video ive ever watched... i really want to start learning minesweeper theory now
(actually, looking in my youtube watch history, i watched a minesweeper video two years ago and another five years ago. point still stands though)
1:28 the bottom right position I was investigating recently, then I saw this video, very good explanation :)
Obelus2
Thats the one :)
Yoooooo epic content as always
YOO NEW MINESWEEPER BUOY VIDEO LETS GOO
Alright now that I got my early comment and actually watched the video, I understood absolutely none that, I'll have to rewatch later.
Mine buoy I would like you to know that this is one of the coolest channels to me, Im similar to scar in that the logic part of minesweeper is my favorite part, and your channel fits perfectly in that category so thank you
I can't tell you why the algorithm sent me here, but I'm glad it did - excellent video :)
I've only ever watched one minesweeper video, about a year ago, and TH-cam suggested this lol. I don't play but cool video.
Choo choo lol
The minesweeper legend is back
:P
Not sure whether I have commented this already somewhere on your videos:
What about if you do not start in the corner but in tile diagonal of the corner?
If it's a 0 you have more information gain than if you clicked the corner.
If it is a 1, you can click the corner to have more guaranteed information gain as only 1/8 risk.
If it is a 2 or more, you start in another corner.
I like this more, since with a corner start even a 1 forces you to go to another corner already.
I haven't worked out the maths behind this yet, but it seems like it might be worth a try.
Unfortunately youll get a 0 only 6,32% of the time that way :)
@@MineBuoy but also a 1 over 32% of which 7/8 guarantee progress (but at the drawback of losing instantly in the other 1/8). But yea, now that I did the maths I see how it is probably worse.
so it is worse?
I think so
I miss the old Mine Buoy
the part where you minesweep is, simply put, obelus
Finally you’re back, this video is 🔥 keep up the drip bro! 😎
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Sir can you include the wondrous background music in the description of your video.
I should have, I dont remember what that was, although I can tell you for sure its all Bach
I feel like I must be missing something; I don't understand how you make the jump from the probabilities being the same to the conclusion of picking the k+1 option tiles or how one would even be able to figure out the chance of progress without brute force. also the ObelusB configuration you never say what the best move is so I'm not really sure how one would progress there
For ObelusB, you'd click the 21% adjacent to the "1", and the 21% adjacent to the "3". If one of them is clear, they both are guaranteed to be.
If there is, say, one way for there to be 5 mines, and one way for there to be 6 mines, the probabilities aren't the same. It's much (~80%) more likely that there are 5 mines than 6. There's actually a way to calculate it which isn't too hard, but it would take a few paragraphs to explain.
Oh, and objectively figuring out chance of progress does require some brute force, but the basic principle is pretty simple: you want to have the highest chance of having 0 unknown mines adjacent to the cell you click (or, at least 1 of the cells you click). In lieu of that, you want the highest chance of revealing a safe-ish cell which can give a high chance of progress. That's where the brute force calculation comes in.
I have no idea how you managed to figure any of this out
I always play minesweeper just for fun and to exercise my logical thinking...
But this shows me I have a long way to go.
And frankly, it scares me. In the "oh god being efficient is gonna need a lot of number crunching. do i wanna be that efficient? brain says yes. it also says no because it will no longer be fun to me" kind of way.
It's like sudoku all over again man.
Just play with the level of depth that you enjoy most. There's still stuff I have to learn that I'm putting off for the time being :)
It shares the sort of speed characteristics of sudoku perhaps, but this sort of percentage grabbing feels like a whole different kind of effeciency. As far as speed, I think of it more about fluency than effeciency, like the growing is a process of making the lessons learned feel lighter and more intuitive, easing the cognitive burden. Like bullet chess or clash royale, there's this "how am I gonna jump through all these hoops" moment, but it's like, you don't wanna be jumping, you wanna just fly through the air.
@@MineBuoy yeah. that's probably how I'm gonna do it. thanks for the advice dude.
0:26 wdym Rank 7 in the world is noob 💀. Great video as always, as feedback I suggest you make more simpler videos. Although these kinds of videos are so fascinating and would love to see more of them, the common Minesweeper player that plays in his free time will memorize positions and learn calculations, but rather use very simple methods that requires no calculating maybe just memorizing 1 or 2 general tricks. Other then that there is also the idea of making gameplay videos, just playing while explaining some stuff here and there, it really encourages people to play themselves . There is also streaming on TH-cam if you have time, streaming while playing, it attracts people and makes them wanna play the game themselves and see how they do in it.
A bit tall lol but hope it's useful.
I might give heavily edited gameplay videos a try in the future...something like road to mastery world record. But I dont know about tge streaming :P. Thank you :)
now i wonder if thats even possible now lol
57 with no hints is just crazy
Holy maccheroni! 57 with no hints is insane :0
The evaluation you use in these videos seems slightly flawed to me. If you hit a mine that's a guaranteed loss, whereas progress is likely to lead to other guesses - it's only a chance at winning. It seems to me that a guess with less chance of both progress and losing would be better than one with the same slope but more proportionally more chance of both. Even without outright progress "cheaper" guesses will likely clarify the situation. This is rarely relevant for the moves you are comparing, but it could swing things for some moves. I'm going off of intuition here, so I could easily be missing something.
You are right! That is something I consider in the video about breaking 50/50s. If 2 approaches follow similar trajectories but one of them risks a little at a time while the other risks everyting at once the first one is better. That being said if the slope is too much in tge risky move then risking less is hard to justify, like in obelus2. You are right in what you are saying, tho. Calculating progress/risk is not the only thing one should take into account. I just try to mention that only in situations that have another big important factor (like "the breaker" in the 50/50 video :)
How do you still consider yourself a noob when you're #7???
Well it was a bit of an hyperbole :) Tho I still consider my ranking to be partly due to the help of hints :P
@@MineBuoy Dude, my skill level is so low, I wouldn't even make that list, lol. But yeah, I think I get what you mean about the hints thing.
It's the student mentality. "oh wow, I should really study this, there's so much more here I don't know" is a healthy mindset, and it flows a lot more easily from "I'm such a noob" than "I'm such a pro"
@@jkid1134 Arrogance stunts your growth
@@jkid1134 With minesweeper I'm always like 'oh I need to learn how to do this situation more consistently' or 'oh I need to practise lookahead' and then forget to look back at how far I've come. having this mentality is good for learning but it can be very draining when you keep thinking you can go further even when the point you've already reached is something you would've considered impossible a year ago; I think its good to be a little proud of your achievements sometimes.