another fun detail with ginyu is that if Ginyu swaps with another Ginyu both can still use their full movesets (as they have their own Ginyu force to call upon) which is a fun attention to detail
Ok, but don’t the other force members change outfits with Ginyu? So, do the rest of the Ginyu Force keep their original outfits, or are they swapped with the Ginyus?
@@GurrenPrime No, the rest of the Ginyu Force also swap palettes. Which, if you think about it, it sounds like something the Ginyu Force would actually do. "Okay, hold on a moment! Now our uniforms aren't coordinated anymore with the Captain's. Wanna trade? You get ours, we get yours?"
Skullgirl's Valentine's syringes deserve a mention. One of the poisons she can load increases the input delay of the opponent. A very unusual special since most specials don't screw with the opponent on the player side of the equation.
As someone who's played a few fighting games with modding scenes I know of a handful of characters with completely insane moves, like wes in rivals of aether who can pull out a coding interface allowing him to edit the game's variables or code his own moves to use, or diavolo in yomi hustle who can dodge through attacks by deleting time and skipping past the opponent's active frames
does the yomi king crimson actually advance the game state several frames when you use it? because functionally that just sounds like a invulnerable spotdodge or dash, but damn must it be disorientating to be the victim of if it straight-up implements the timeskip, even in a game like yomi
@@hi-i-am-atan it is a full-on timeskip, it skips over however many frames you choose and while its use is primarily just as a fancy dodge it has a few extra uses, you can use it as a fastfall if you're midair, it has a dashing variant that can be used as an anti-zoning tool, and he also has a time skip burst though it's functionally just a counter and only goes off if you try to hit him because it would be busted otherwise. Also yes it is kind of disorienting but that also makes it lore accurate so it's not a big deal
@@hi-i-am-atanit does literally skip the in game frames, meaning you can reaaaaalllyyyyy disorient someone, even if their move is completely safe, the fact it’s just been skipped can super throw them off, it’s great, unfortunately it absolutely destroys replays because the game just doesn’t know what to do with it lmao
@@hunterrock1097Lilith wishes hers was anywhere near as functional as Rise's, much less as damaging. Pretty sure Gloomy Puppet Show is unfortunately the worst super in _Vampire Savior_ as a whole, especially since Lililth needed something good to actually stand out instead of being "flat-chested, worse Morrigan".
Love whenever people talk about Bedman, by far my favorite fighting game character On a related note, if it doesn't get buffed next season, I think Bedman? in Strive would be a great character for the next "Best of low tiers" if you still intend on making them
This is such a hyper specific concept for a video, I love it. Only ever seen the idea of "here's some neat moves in fighting games" one other time with Big Yellow's video on orbs.
I quite like Bone-Crushing Excitement (for those unfamiliar, that's the super Faust got in place of Stimulating Fists of Annihilation in Strive), personally. Considering the new flavor of goober Faust has become and the fact that there's still a lot of fun to be found in shattering your opponent's ankles with a wheelchair, its a pretty reasonable tradeoff in a game that's making such an effort to streamline itself compared to other fighters.
It has the same feel compared to stimulating fists but functionally it's just a normal super, no rng, no backfiring, it's just a really tall hitbox that has a great cinematic super affer
The fingers up the butt thing in Faust's super is kancho. It's way less common these days but it used to be a pretty common prank among young Japanese kids. It's in Naruto a couple times, too. You can think of it as roughly analogous to like, purple nurples or wedgies, i guess.
Shoutouts to Jefailey in Divekick, whose ground Super just pulls out a trophy and looks at it. It’s literally a move used to run out the clock, which is a real threat in Divekick. Ako in DFCI’s entire 214 series reduces your assist’s cooldown, with her EX version almost instantly refreshing the cooldown.
being quite confident in my rhythm game skills, Rise's grab super is awful when playing online - you don't need perfect timing, you need to understand the exact latency at that moment before the note is in the hit window, which is changing every second even if you and your opponent are on wired connections. Labbing Rise throw and Using Rise throw are two different games entirely. Dee jay's sf6 super is very similar, but I've had less issues hitting the full combo
The removal of Ginyu being able to body-change mid-combo is due to a bug I think, something about the priority of moves being messed up. I was gonna mention Lilith's Gloomy Puppet Show from Vampire Savior, but then I realized it's basically a really clunky version of Rise's super. For the longest time though, I straight up had no idea what the super was even supposed to be.
GG is the freakshow of fighting games (and I'm all here for it). One of the things I kinda dislike in Strive is how sorta streamlined most characters feel compared to older games
I'm surprised you didn't mention Lilith's rhythm game super in Darkstalkers. Her super is a lot weirder because there's no visual cue to go off of. You have to memorize the input and the rhythm, so it becomes Simon Says with a tighter window execution.
Kinoko's rock super in Ultra Fight Da Kyanta 2 is probably the most unhinged move I can think of. It causes unblockable rocks to fall from the sky which can hit both players. Sometimes there's a red rock that will insta-kill, and the super even persists between rounds.
Have you considered a "best mid tiers" video? Characters that are overlooked for not being good enough to see consistent competitive play, but not low enough for people to use them to become the next low tier hero, but still interesting on their own right. Right off the bat I can think of Samus in Melee, who is borderline high tier, and has some wacky movement options thanks to her floaty nature and super wavedash, as well as some of the best zoning in the game... which unfortunately means she struggles against most of the top and high tiers in the game, which are primarily rushdown characters that can maneuver around her projectiles, thus her mid tier placement.
As far as a proper mid tier goes, however, there's Luigi, a tier below Samus. If you know anything about Melee, you'd already know how weird Luigi is and how that weirdness is emblematic of his playstyle as an off meta pick.
It's sad the Rise's rhythm game super isn't practical anymore since the PC port balance patch - the startup was increased from 48 frames (already high but there were ways to confirm into it), to 63 frames, making it near-impossible to confirm into and only really accessible in checkmates with scan-state oki against meterless, burstless opponents. That patch also made the execution on the SB version tighter, and since P4AU's rollback implementation was slightly dodgy, it's even harder to do online thanks to the input delay.
Given the only fighting game I've ever put any amount of time into is Final Fantasy Dissidia, I'm going to call out some of the weirder unlockable characters in Dissidia 12, including Gilgamesh who changes what weapon he uses every time he attacks (and they all have different bonuses, except the one that cuts your damage down to nothing) and Feral Chaos ( who is incredibly strong but has to specifically unlock niceties like his super mode, or a health meter that doesn't constantly shrink). Hell, some of the base roster characters are weirdos, Emperor Mateus is so focused on traps and setup tools he has almost no straightforward attacks and Exdeath who is incredibly slow and unwieldy, but if it gets off a counter-attack he just rips you in half.
Interesting ways of adapting Emperor Mateus, a scheming despot who works on trickery and Playing Multiple Long Games simultaneously, and Exdeath, who is a villain who was originally Just A Big Tree prior to becoming sentient
@@hambor12 Mateus' gameplay style fits him to an extent, but Exdeath in Dissidia really fights nothing like how he acts or fights in FF5 (or 14 for that matter).
I think Mariah from the Jojo acrade game deserves a mention. She has a unique zoning play style that asks you to force your opponent to run into your sockets, leveling up the magnetism level which in turns strengthen her special moves. I really lover her 2C, where she throws a knife into the air that flies towards your opponent. Depending on your magnetism level, it range increases.
I'm finally subscribed like I thought I already was. Anyway, a weird & funny move that no one has brought up so far is from the _Akatsuki Blitzkampf_ that people generally now knows exists because Akatsuki himself has gotten around a lot in the past decade. The move in question isn't one of his though but instead one of the character Sai's unblockable glare "grabs". They all curse you with a different status effect, but the C and super versions curse with a "status effect" that literally and only smacks you in the head with a *fish* any time you try jump while it's active. The funniest thing about it is that it's as practical as it is amusing since even though you can block or parry the fish, it *will* spawn right above you and will otherwise occupy you, making jumping almost a non-option for you while you're cursed by it. It's all the stranger because Sai is otherwise represented as a relatively serious if smug spy character in a slick suit, so it would basically be like if Genjuro from _Samurai Shodown_ just randomly had Faust's ass-stabbing super that you showed in this video.
to be fair to guilty gear, fausts "interesting animation" is a real thing called kancho, basically a mean prank in east asia. never had it done to me but allegedly its really painful. its also referenced in naruto with kakashi's "1000 years of death."
I think in Xrd if the opponent gets the angel Faust can burn more meter to change it into a reaper, but that's expensive to do since it costs a YRC worth of meter on top of the 50% for the super in the first place.
One thing that wasn't mentioned, would be one of Jagi's supers from Hokuto no Ken! He makes you pick out how his name is spelled in Kanji. So cool. It even has a followup where they have to do it again, and if they mess up- they get stunned. Now that is a silly move. Even for HNK standards..
Good picks! While he's far less weird than the mentioned I think Yoshimitsu from tekken deserves a mention. He is the most unorthodox character in tekken, with moves that not only put him in weird stances but straight up kills him, like his suicide attacks. Not to mention everything else.
The thing about ginyu body change is the move is actually inherently strong and kinda broken but ginyu players just choose to never use it. This isn’t cause it’s bad it’s because ginyu himself is top tier, and uncommon enough to where most people don’t know how to fight him. So why bother swapping off your top tier knowledge check for a character you probably don’t play? It’ll very rarely see use like if the ginyu is at a huge deficit but usually the oki from his other level 3 is preferred
This video could honestly just be you saying "all arcsys characters" and end it there lol I'd also put tager too. I've never seen a character with a magnetic mechanic. Let alone that it has so many unique interactions based on where you and the opponent are. Jack-O in Xrd. I've never seen a tower defense character in a fighting game before or after her. Her Strive version is more like a traditional puppet character, so I wouldn't include it.
i wish i had any good SNK examples of strange moves. like iroha's SSM where she boinks you to death on camera is Strange but like in the "keep your door locked while you play" way. kyoshiro's Get Ate By A Frog command grab is also weird but a little more understandable imo
The interesting thing with Ginyu's body change, obviously it can be a comeback tool for newer people but the other interesting thing is that Ginyu's Body Change does have an extra benefit if you know how to play common characters or just most the roster in general. Since if you know the other character you can take full advantage of their traits while the opponent is left with a nerfed Ginyu whom they likely aren't used to playing as. So basically if you are a good or well rounded/adaptive player Ginyu's Body Change can end up being even more in your favor.
Faust is actually not the first "random item go" character in a fighting game. That honor belongs to Tesse, from Waku Waku 7. Although it was mostly random projectiles with different properties, and there was a version where she randomly scrolls between her items.
Love your videos dude! One thing I do wished you mention is in Faust’s super in xrd (not sure if it’s like this in +R) that there’s a chance that even if you picked the right cup with the angel you still have a chance to get hit by the super
One of my favorites is Platinum's 5P in BlazBlue. During the animation, she'll make a sign for rock, paper, or scissors, chosen at random. Normally the sign she picks doesn't have any effect on gameplay. But in a mirror match, if two Platinums clash with a 5P, the one that made the winning sign becomes fully invincible for 7 frames. It's such a pointless detail and I love it so much
One of the more common cards Iku takes in her deck in the fighting game hisoutensoku is a super that allows her to treat melee attacks as dodgeable projectiles. There's also a card that does nothing but if you use it 3 times you become invincible for 8 seconds. The fourth usage extends the duration of invincibility, but only if you're already invincible.
Considering you showed a Rhythm Game with "Live On Stage" I'm surprised you didn't mention Lilith's "Gloomy Puppet Show". But hey. Ammo for the next Strange Moves video, right?
Faust's special is called "stimulating fists of annihilation." From this special, we learn that about 1/3 the cast are INTO it, 1/3 the cast don't really feel it or are unbothered, and 1/3 the cast are REALLY into it (I-no, Raven, and Faust himself in particular). And Johnny is in denial.
Surprisingly for someone whose knowledge of the genre may come across as perhaps even terrifyingly eclectic, I can't think of many strange moves in their own right. However, one *great* example comes to mind: the cast of Wonderful World, a GG-esque doujin fighter. My mind went straight to Duna's j.236P - basically think Ky's air fireball but it bounces off the fuckin' floor. For what's probably the best zoning tool in the game, that's not even close to the full extent the game has to offer. For example, Lunathia. You stan Sabe's innocent, sailor-mouthed child or get the fuck out. With her Original Action (think like BlazBlue's Drive,) she can change the range of her S & HS normals alongside most of her specials. This inevitably makes one of the coolest zoners to ever walk God's Green Earth. (Ironic I say that as she's a demon.) Whilst Luna's the coolest example, there's other like Sasari - a pseudo-puppet zoner who summons/commands a miko doll to terrorise you, - Eldio - he can summon apparitions to fake out his movement & attacks for disgusting mixups - or Pale - a 'runaway' character in the sense she only stays away 'cause that's only when her moves will even contact.
surprised you didn't bring up item toss considering that's really the core part of faust's kit (especially considering with bedman, deja vu is also the core part of his kit, idk about the others though) but yeah his supers have always been so stupid i love him 😭 it's nice to see him get brought up in general though!
In terms of random item characters, Faust is certainly the mold that would be followed, but if you want to grasp at straws, there is one character that predates him in this category. Lei-Lei or Hsien-Ko from Vampire Savior/Darkstalkers has an item toss that functions semi-randomised. Her item toss has a set order to it at first glance with even a controlled variation, as hitting this special with different strengthed buttons will yield different items on the queue sometimes. However, the 8th, 11th, 22nd and 26th items in the queue are randomized between about like 6 options, with the queue ending and resetting to the beginning after the 32nd item in the queue (There are alot of duplicates in the queue). Another randomised part of it is that if an item that would be tossed is one already on the sceen, it will be skipped in favor of the next item on the queue, so the random item might have you skip an item by chance. The item pool is rather small compared to a more traditional item character and said items are all damaging projectile attacks. Variations come in different throw-arcs (influenced further by your ability to throw them at an upward, overhead-arc with heavy punch) and for certain items to instantly stun the opponent on hit. Again, compared to the chaos of a character like Faust, it's alot more tame and controlled. However, I think it's an interesting footnote and I find Vsav/Darkstalkers an endlessly fascinating game for it's major role in setting foundations for alot of mechanics in future fighting games, which can be sometimes forgotten in it's modern day obscurity.
Kinda strange you didnt cover Bedman? From strive since its a similar concept to their xrd iteration. Then again, that would make this video have 3 gg characters which would feel bloated so its understandable
Also, bedman? Adds a similar mechanic that makes him super strong specially since it’s like the seals that stay WITH THE BED making it more flexible and harder to miss
I love Risotto's invisibility from Jojo's All-Star Battle R. It makes him immune to all projectiles (that don't use super meter) except specifically those from Narancia and Mariah. Narancia's exception makes sense, because of plot reasons, but Mariah's is REALLY interesting because it actually requires you to understand how their respective Stands work to intuit. Mariah can increase magnetic attraction on target that touches Bastet, and Risotto can do largely the same remotely because of Metallica. Because Risotto's invisibility is a result of him using magnetism on iron sand to reflect light around him, he's constantly manipulating a magnetic field around him so as a result all of Mariah's attacks would be incredibly effective on him because of how she fights. It's a super cool interaction that they didn't need to do, but that's part of why I love All-Star Battle. They really go all out with the character references, it's honestly insanely hype. Actually, fuck, even just Rohan or New Moon Pucci could make a list like this they're both really fucking weird.
I'm just curious, if the Ginyu player gets a KO while swapped, does it kill the opponents character? Or is it a case that you permanently have the swapped character until it's death?
What comes to my mind more than weird moves is weird mechanics/meters exclusive to one character in a game (junpei’s baseball), maybe that can be the base (keh) for a video
In Soul Calibur, Yoshimitsu has a command grab that drains life from the opponent...and another that drains Yoshimitsu's life and gives it to the opponent. Additionally, the Full Moon version Neco Arc Chaos in Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code has a move (EX: Super Electromagnetic Secret Nekoeste: Stamp Relay of Western Japan) that instead of dealing damage, heals the opponent and causes circuit break (makes Meter unusable for a while) at point blank.
I guess Bedman's replay mechanic was what inspired the mechanic of the same name for Abacchio in JJBA: All Star Battle R? That game has some pretty interesting characters, I think it would be cool for you to cover it sometime
For anyone who has problems with rise rhythm game, the game only checks if you click said button at the right time and nothing else before or during so if you set a button to press a b c d at the same time and mash it you'll get a perfect every time
I mean, you've already showcased p4a... Junpei is playing baseball. Not any single move... His whole character. And mvc3 has Phoenix Wright and Frank West.
The weirdest special move kit I can think of goes to Koishi Komeiji in the airborne Touhou fighting games. Yes, "airborne." The fact that you're playing a bullet hell fighting game where you are actively flying around but still using standard 2D fighter mechanics is already weird, but Koishi is a character whose abilities are based on the subconscious, and she has built that into not only her special moves, but also some of her strong attacks. When you use one of them, she'll get a ring rotating around herself of a color related to the move. This move is now something she is subconsciously thinking about doing. Koishi will then stop whatever she is doing and *use* the move if the opponent fulfills a specific condition, without you needing to input the attack. For example, she has an anti air that comes out if the opponent ever moves above her, and she has a fullscreen command grab that will come out if the opponent is ever horizontally level with her and in hitstun or something funky like that (it's been a long time since I've played the game). I seem to recall that she could only load so many of these moves at once, but I don't remember how many. Oh, as an added bonus, her dash is very slow but, if used while on the center line (on the "ground" that you gravitate towards in the air) she turns invisible and reappears behind the opponent. Update: She also has an attack where she sneezes at the enemy with a huge hitbox and decent knockback for zoning, but every second time she tries to use it, she won't sneeze and the hitbox won't come out. So you kind of have to "reload" it.
there's a game called slap happy rhythm busters, and it's a fighter for the ps1 where the gimmick is everyone has a rhythm game super, and ironically they're not that useful since they cost three bars of meter which is better spent elsewhere, even if you are good at rhythm games, but you get a cool cinematic finisher if you land a kill with them. even beyond this gimmick the game has a really nice cell shaded aesthetic, like a somehow brighter and more colourful jet set radio.
In the Touhou fighting games one of the characters Yukari has a rather interesting special… especially if you don’t fullly know the lore b/c in this rather Fantasy looking world Yukari can hit her foes with a FREAKING TRAIN
Oh forgot the best part in the most recent one AOCF… not only does she get this Manic theme that sounds like a Train barreling down the tracks… THE TRAIN ALSO EXPLODES!!!
Surprised there is no mention of Joy Mech Fight on this list, while it is an NES fighting game it does feature some unique and strange moves such as the Sukapon Roll from Sukapon. A Blanka ball style charge move that during it's active time gives you variable options based on the button you press and the timing of the press; examples would be pressing the punch button allows you to perform a jump which conserves the momentum of the roll which goes higher depending on how early you press the punch button, pressing the kick button performs a small hop in place to catch certain jumps and faint an opponent's punish option, and a secret third option where performing half circle back and both the punch and kick buttons performs the "crazy roll" which is a much less mobile hop that deals the most damage out of any move in the game, it's trajectory and damage is completely random but is heavily rewarding if you land it.
Sincerely hope the game can be covered on the channel, for a channel about fighting game talk or oddities a game like Joy Mech Fight could be worth talking about for it's varied roster, inputs system, and it's general mechanics which would make for good content.
Darun Mister from Street Fighter EX2+: Gamble Of Darun. It's his Level 3 Super, it's a multi-grab super done with 360º+ 3 Punches. After it begins, both players are put in this minigame where Darun has to do 360º+P or 360º+K inputs and the opponent has to press either Punch or Kick, to try and guess Darun's input. If they guess correctly, they break out of the grab, even damaging Darun back if they guess on theitr first try. If not, Darun proceeds with the next grab of the sequence, dealing more and more damage on each stage. On the 5th and last stage, if the opponent didn't break out, Darun proceeds to bend their opponent into a pretzel for about 10 seconds, before slamming their head into the ground from the fucking stratosphere for an *INSTANT KILL* What makes it even more interesting is that the last input is not a 360º; it's a secret input not explained either in-game nor in the manual, and is also a completely unique input (Spoiler ahead I guess): . . . Charge Up, Down, Up + punch or kick.
MK11 believe it or not, its called Shifting Sands. Geras has it. It's.. akin to an odd almost false wall on either edge, but for only one launcher it seems. Really weird underused move that can pull the enemy out of hitting you as it drags them to the center, and can actually make Geras plus after getting hit due to the string whiffing halfway through
Idk how well it would fit in but I do think Geras from MK would be a good fit for a video like this. Lots of stuff related to manipulating time - one ability from casual MK11 allowed him to add and subtract time from the round timer. Another (tournament legal) ability replaced his combo breaker with a full rewind out of a combo along with rewinding health to where it was at the point being rewound to. Very interesting character for an NRS game imo
I like playing Ginyu purely because at the end of the day if I hit the body change it doesn’t matter how good I am at Ginyu it matters how good you are at Ginyu
another fun detail with ginyu is that if Ginyu swaps with another Ginyu both can still use their full movesets (as they have their own Ginyu force to call upon) which is a fun attention to detail
Ok, but don’t the other force members change outfits with Ginyu? So, do the rest of the Ginyu Force keep their original outfits, or are they swapped with the Ginyus?
@@GurrenPrime No, the rest of the Ginyu Force also swap palettes. Which, if you think about it, it sounds like something the Ginyu Force would actually do.
"Okay, hold on a moment! Now our uniforms aren't coordinated anymore with the Captain's. Wanna trade? You get ours, we get yours?"
@@dariocarraresi1823 lol
This wasn't always true, beforehand he'd switch and one of them couldn't use their Ginyu force
Skullgirl's Valentine's syringes deserve a mention. One of the poisons she can load increases the input delay of the opponent. A very unusual special since most specials don't screw with the opponent on the player side of the equation.
Hell yeah orange vile
That’s sick (literally)
I know MODOK from MVC3 reversed your inputs. I think Valentine's syringe is worse though. XD
@@johngleeman8347 okay, so it was Modok. I couldn't think of who did that, tried googling "mirrored input" but only got mirror matches.
Delay-based netcode install.
the fact that rise’s super makes you play a completely different p4 spinoff will never not be funny to me.
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As someone who's played a few fighting games with modding scenes I know of a handful of characters with completely insane moves, like wes in rivals of aether who can pull out a coding interface allowing him to edit the game's variables or code his own moves to use, or diavolo in yomi hustle who can dodge through attacks by deleting time and skipping past the opponent's active frames
does the yomi king crimson actually advance the game state several frames when you use it? because functionally that just sounds like a invulnerable spotdodge or dash, but damn must it be disorientating to be the victim of if it straight-up implements the timeskip, even in a game like yomi
@@hi-i-am-atan it is a full-on timeskip, it skips over however many frames you choose and while its use is primarily just as a fancy dodge it has a few extra uses, you can use it as a fastfall if you're midair, it has a dashing variant that can be used as an anti-zoning tool, and he also has a time skip burst though it's functionally just a counter and only goes off if you try to hit him because it would be busted otherwise. Also yes it is kind of disorienting but that also makes it lore accurate so it's not a big deal
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@@hi-i-am-atanit does literally skip the in game frames, meaning you can reaaaaalllyyyyy disorient someone, even if their move is completely safe, the fact it’s just been skipped can super throw them off, it’s great, unfortunately it absolutely destroys replays because the game just doesn’t know what to do with it lmao
shoutouts to Lilith in Darkstalkers forcing the opponent to play DDR
Lilith walked so Risecchi could...also walk
Rise vs Lillith rhytm minigame showdown when?
@@hunterrock1097Lilith wishes hers was anywhere near as functional as Rise's, much less as damaging. Pretty sure Gloomy Puppet Show is unfortunately the worst super in _Vampire Savior_ as a whole, especially since Lililth needed something good to actually stand out instead of being "flat-chested, worse Morrigan".
@@MusicoftheDamned"hey, let's make this super telegraphed as hell, impossible to properly execute after it lands AND cost two bars of meter!"
Re: Faust and Bedman. Sometimes, in Guilty Gear, your main dies and you have to deal with an entirely altered move set.
Love whenever people talk about Bedman, by far my favorite fighting game character
On a related note, if it doesn't get buffed next season, I think Bedman? in Strive would be a great character for the next "Best of low tiers" if you still intend on making them
Same i love him too and i agree a video on best of low tiers with strive bedman especially on his release would be great
Bed man is my favorite character to play in strive. Not the best but he’s just so damn fun and his tools let you really mess with your opponent
This is such a hyper specific concept for a video, I love it.
Only ever seen the idea of "here's some neat moves in fighting games" one other time with Big Yellow's video on orbs.
I quite like Bone-Crushing Excitement (for those unfamiliar, that's the super Faust got in place of Stimulating Fists of Annihilation in Strive), personally. Considering the new flavor of goober Faust has become and the fact that there's still a lot of fun to be found in shattering your opponent's ankles with a wheelchair, its a pretty reasonable tradeoff in a game that's making such an effort to streamline itself compared to other fighters.
It has the same feel compared to stimulating fists but functionally it's just a normal super, no rng, no backfiring, it's just a really tall hitbox that has a great cinematic super affer
I love seeing Bedman coverage. You explained his mechanics super well. Big thumbs up.
The fact that Nage landed that Faust super on Omito, in Grand Finals of EVO Japan 2018, and Omito picked the purple reaper is amazing
That might be the best evo set to ever happen
The fingers up the butt thing in Faust's super is kancho. It's way less common these days but it used to be a pretty common prank among young Japanese kids. It's in Naruto a couple times, too. You can think of it as roughly analogous to like, purple nurples or wedgies, i guess.
Shoutouts to Jefailey in Divekick, whose ground Super just pulls out a trophy and looks at it. It’s literally a move used to run out the clock, which is a real threat in Divekick.
Ako in DFCI’s entire 214 series reduces your assist’s cooldown, with her EX version almost instantly refreshing the cooldown.
Robo-Ky’s entire existence is strange and weird
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i always did think rise was a little weird in p4a, seeing good players use her is a treat though
being quite confident in my rhythm game skills, Rise's grab super is awful when playing online - you don't need perfect timing, you need to understand the exact latency at that moment before the note is in the hit window, which is changing every second even if you and your opponent are on wired connections. Labbing Rise throw and Using Rise throw are two different games entirely. Dee jay's sf6 super is very similar, but I've had less issues hitting the full combo
It's ok with rollback now though right ?
@@Duskia its better, but still not good. I can get a third of the inputs most of the time, but thats still garbage damage
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Struggling with Sunrise Festival? *laughs in modern controls*
The removal of Ginyu being able to body-change mid-combo is due to a bug I think, something about the priority of moves being messed up.
I was gonna mention Lilith's Gloomy Puppet Show from Vampire Savior, but then I realized it's basically a really clunky version of Rise's super. For the longest time though, I straight up had no idea what the super was even supposed to be.
GG is the freakshow of fighting games (and I'm all here for it). One of the things I kinda dislike in Strive is how sorta streamlined most characters feel compared to older games
Strive ruined some characters 😔
@@GraviteH1123 i wouldn't say it ruined, but they're different versions of themselves. I for sure wouldn't wanna have +R Testament again
I'm surprised you didn't mention Lilith's rhythm game super in Darkstalkers.
Her super is a lot weirder because there's no visual cue to go off of. You have to memorize the input and the rhythm, so it becomes Simon Says with a tighter window execution.
Kinoko's rock super in Ultra Fight Da Kyanta 2 is probably the most unhinged move I can think of. It causes unblockable rocks to fall from the sky which can hit both players. Sometimes there's a red rock that will insta-kill, and the super even persists between rounds.
*YOU ARE KINOKO*
Have you considered a "best mid tiers" video? Characters that are overlooked for not being good enough to see consistent competitive play, but not low enough for people to use them to become the next low tier hero, but still interesting on their own right.
Right off the bat I can think of Samus in Melee, who is borderline high tier, and has some wacky movement options thanks to her floaty nature and super wavedash, as well as some of the best zoning in the game... which unfortunately means she struggles against most of the top and high tiers in the game, which are primarily rushdown characters that can maneuver around her projectiles, thus her mid tier placement.
As far as a proper mid tier goes, however, there's Luigi, a tier below Samus. If you know anything about Melee, you'd already know how weird Luigi is and how that weirdness is emblematic of his playstyle as an off meta pick.
8:05 Nope! Not sure if she's the first one, but Lei Lei (aka Hsien-Ko) was way earlier! Way less item variance though.
The Darkstalkers classic of “originating so much cool fighting game stuff.” I think it’s even where the mechanics for Raging Demon come from
It's sad the Rise's rhythm game super isn't practical anymore since the PC port balance patch - the startup was increased from 48 frames (already high but there were ways to confirm into it), to 63 frames, making it near-impossible to confirm into and only really accessible in checkmates with scan-state oki against meterless, burstless opponents. That patch also made the execution on the SB version tighter, and since P4AU's rollback implementation was slightly dodgy, it's even harder to do online thanks to the input delay.
Given the only fighting game I've ever put any amount of time into is Final Fantasy Dissidia, I'm going to call out some of the weirder unlockable characters in Dissidia 12, including Gilgamesh who changes what weapon he uses every time he attacks (and they all have different bonuses, except the one that cuts your damage down to nothing) and Feral Chaos ( who is incredibly strong but has to specifically unlock niceties like his super mode, or a health meter that doesn't constantly shrink). Hell, some of the base roster characters are weirdos, Emperor Mateus is so focused on traps and setup tools he has almost no straightforward attacks and Exdeath who is incredibly slow and unwieldy, but if it gets off a counter-attack he just rips you in half.
Interesting ways of adapting Emperor Mateus, a scheming despot who works on trickery and Playing Multiple Long Games simultaneously, and Exdeath, who is a villain who was originally Just A Big Tree prior to becoming sentient
@@hambor12 Mateus' gameplay style fits him to an extent, but Exdeath in Dissidia really fights nothing like how he acts or fights in FF5 (or 14 for that matter).
@@Omnicrom i'm mostly being facetious for the sake of making the Exdeath is a Tree joke
NEVER CLICKED A VIDEO SO FAST IN MY LIFE, MR MIXTAPE VID WITH 2 OF MY MAINS IN THE THUMBNAIL
I think Mariah from the Jojo acrade game deserves a mention.
She has a unique zoning play style that asks you to force your opponent to run into your sockets, leveling up the magnetism level which in turns strengthen her special moves.
I really lover her 2C, where she throws a knife into the air that flies towards your opponent. Depending on your magnetism level, it range increases.
2C is a sweep, you're thinking of 4B
@curtisplays21 Right, mixed it up, thanks !
I'm finally subscribed like I thought I already was. Anyway, a weird & funny move that no one has brought up so far is from the _Akatsuki Blitzkampf_ that people generally now knows exists because Akatsuki himself has gotten around a lot in the past decade. The move in question isn't one of his though but instead one of the character Sai's unblockable glare "grabs". They all curse you with a different status effect, but the C and super versions curse with a "status effect" that literally and only smacks you in the head with a *fish* any time you try jump while it's active.
The funniest thing about it is that it's as practical as it is amusing since even though you can block or parry the fish, it *will* spawn right above you and will otherwise occupy you, making jumping almost a non-option for you while you're cursed by it. It's all the stranger because Sai is otherwise represented as a relatively serious if smug spy character in a slick suit, so it would basically be like if Genjuro from _Samurai Shodown_ just randomly had Faust's ass-stabbing super that you showed in this video.
Earthquake ripping ass in peoples face stands out for the more serious tone of Samurai Shodown
to be fair to guilty gear, fausts "interesting animation" is a real thing called kancho, basically a mean prank in east asia. never had it done to me but allegedly its really painful. its also referenced in naruto with kakashi's "1000 years of death."
I think in Xrd if the opponent gets the angel Faust can burn more meter to change it into a reaper, but that's expensive to do since it costs a YRC worth of meter on top of the 50% for the super in the first place.
One thing that wasn't mentioned, would be one of Jagi's supers from Hokuto no Ken! He makes you pick out how his name is spelled in Kanji. So cool. It even has a followup where they have to do it again, and if they mess up- they get stunned. Now that is a silly move. Even for HNK standards..
My favorite weird moves Anakaris, Servbot, and Son Son's weird installs in MVC2, and Seth and Rogue's move copying.
8:50, this series is weird. So is Naruto's Kakashi using a thousand years of death.
Good picks! While he's far less weird than the mentioned I think Yoshimitsu from tekken deserves a mention. He is the most unorthodox character in tekken, with moves that not only put him in weird stances but straight up kills him, like his suicide attacks. Not to mention everything else.
The thing about ginyu body change is the move is actually inherently strong and kinda broken but ginyu players just choose to never use it. This isn’t cause it’s bad it’s because ginyu himself is top tier, and uncommon enough to where most people don’t know how to fight him. So why bother swapping off your top tier knowledge check for a character you probably don’t play? It’ll very rarely see use like if the ginyu is at a huge deficit but usually the oki from his other level 3 is preferred
This video could honestly just be you saying "all arcsys characters" and end it there lol
I'd also put tager too. I've never seen a character with a magnetic mechanic. Let alone that it has so many unique interactions based on where you and the opponent are.
Jack-O in Xrd. I've never seen a tower defense character in a fighting game before or after her. Her Strive version is more like a traditional puppet character, so I wouldn't include it.
For Rise’s rhythm super you can press all 4 buttons at once and just focus on the rhythm.
i wish i had any good SNK examples of strange moves. like iroha's SSM where she boinks you to death on camera is Strange but like in the "keep your door locked while you play" way. kyoshiro's Get Ate By A Frog command grab is also weird but a little more understandable imo
That P4A super kinda reminds me of Lilith's Gloomy Puppet Show in VSav. Great video as always!
vsav is the "Simpsons did it" of fighting games 😂
This description of ginyu just got me to install DBZF
The interesting thing with Ginyu's body change, obviously it can be a comeback tool for newer people but the other interesting thing is that Ginyu's Body Change does have an extra benefit if you know how to play common characters or just most the roster in general. Since if you know the other character you can take full advantage of their traits while the opponent is left with a nerfed Ginyu whom they likely aren't used to playing as.
So basically if you are a good or well rounded/adaptive player Ginyu's Body Change can end up being even more in your favor.
I used to play +R a lot with friends and it was always a hype moment whenever someone got caught in Faust's cup shuffle super
Faust is actually not the first "random item go" character in a fighting game. That honor belongs to Tesse, from Waku Waku 7. Although it was mostly random projectiles with different properties, and there was a version where she randomly scrolls between her items.
9:33 "Shame it's not in Strive"... If I had a nickel for every time I've uttered that statement, I'd be a very rich man.
Love your videos dude! One thing I do wished you mention is in Faust’s super in xrd (not sure if it’s like this in +R) that there’s a chance that even if you picked the right cup with the angel you still have a chance to get hit by the super
One of my favorites is Platinum's 5P in BlazBlue. During the animation, she'll make a sign for rock, paper, or scissors, chosen at random. Normally the sign she picks doesn't have any effect on gameplay. But in a mirror match, if two Platinums clash with a 5P, the one that made the winning sign becomes fully invincible for 7 frames. It's such a pointless detail and I love it so much
me waiting so patiently for any mention of zappa
Opening a random video just to hear a song I used to listen to all the time when I was 13 is a really surreal feeling
X-23's stealth mode in Marvel vs Capcom 3
One of the more common cards Iku takes in her deck in the fighting game hisoutensoku is a super that allows her to treat melee attacks as dodgeable projectiles.
There's also a card that does nothing but if you use it 3 times you become invincible for 8 seconds. The fourth usage extends the duration of invincibility, but only if you're already invincible.
Considering you showed a Rhythm Game with "Live On Stage" I'm surprised you didn't mention Lilith's "Gloomy Puppet Show". But hey. Ammo for the next Strange Moves video, right?
Faust's special is called "stimulating fists of annihilation."
From this special, we learn that about 1/3 the cast are INTO it, 1/3 the cast don't really feel it or are unbothered, and 1/3 the cast are REALLY into it (I-no, Raven, and Faust himself in particular).
And Johnny is in denial.
Live on Stage is considered a strange super?
(Looks over at Big Band from Skullgirls)
lilith awkwardly stood in place without a clue in the world of what to so so rise could dance
Faust really used the Titans Years of Death Jutsu effectively and I’m hear for it
Dan taunt super is a classic
Fun fact about faust's super, at least in xrd, even if you actually choose the angle, there is a chance it will just turn into a reaper anyways
Surprisingly for someone whose knowledge of the genre may come across as perhaps even terrifyingly eclectic, I can't think of many strange moves in their own right. However, one *great* example comes to mind: the cast of Wonderful World, a GG-esque doujin fighter.
My mind went straight to Duna's j.236P - basically think Ky's air fireball but it bounces off the fuckin' floor. For what's probably the best zoning tool in the game, that's not even close to the full extent the game has to offer.
For example, Lunathia. You stan Sabe's innocent, sailor-mouthed child or get the fuck out. With her Original Action (think like BlazBlue's Drive,) she can change the range of her S & HS normals alongside most of her specials. This inevitably makes one of the coolest zoners to ever walk God's Green Earth. (Ironic I say that as she's a demon.)
Whilst Luna's the coolest example, there's other like Sasari - a pseudo-puppet zoner who summons/commands a miko doll to terrorise you, - Eldio - he can summon apparitions to fake out his movement & attacks for disgusting mixups - or Pale - a 'runaway' character in the sense she only stays away 'cause that's only when her moves will even contact.
"I see bed man i click"
surprised you didn't bring up item toss considering that's really the core part of faust's kit (especially considering with bedman, deja vu is also the core part of his kit, idk about the others though) but yeah his supers have always been so stupid i love him 😭 it's nice to see him get brought up in general though!
In terms of random item characters, Faust is certainly the mold that would be followed, but if you want to grasp at straws, there is one character that predates him in this category. Lei-Lei or Hsien-Ko from Vampire Savior/Darkstalkers has an item toss that functions semi-randomised. Her item toss has a set order to it at first glance with even a controlled variation, as hitting this special with different strengthed buttons will yield different items on the queue sometimes. However, the 8th, 11th, 22nd and 26th items in the queue are randomized between about like 6 options, with the queue ending and resetting to the beginning after the 32nd item in the queue (There are alot of duplicates in the queue). Another randomised part of it is that if an item that would be tossed is one already on the sceen, it will be skipped in favor of the next item on the queue, so the random item might have you skip an item by chance. The item pool is rather small compared to a more traditional item character and said items are all damaging projectile attacks. Variations come in different throw-arcs (influenced further by your ability to throw them at an upward, overhead-arc with heavy punch) and for certain items to instantly stun the opponent on hit. Again, compared to the chaos of a character like Faust, it's alot more tame and controlled. However, I think it's an interesting footnote and I find Vsav/Darkstalkers an endlessly fascinating game for it's major role in setting foundations for alot of mechanics in future fighting games, which can be sometimes forgotten in it's modern day obscurity.
Kinda strange you didnt cover Bedman? From strive since its a similar concept to their xrd iteration. Then again, that would make this video have 3 gg characters which would feel bloated so its understandable
man you cover such interesting topics and explain them so well
id be so down if you did more videos like this one
Also, bedman? Adds a similar mechanic that makes him super strong specially since it’s like the seals that stay WITH THE BED making it more flexible and harder to miss
I love Risotto's invisibility from Jojo's All-Star Battle R. It makes him immune to all projectiles (that don't use super meter) except specifically those from Narancia and Mariah. Narancia's exception makes sense, because of plot reasons, but Mariah's is REALLY interesting because it actually requires you to understand how their respective Stands work to intuit. Mariah can increase magnetic attraction on target that touches Bastet, and Risotto can do largely the same remotely because of Metallica. Because Risotto's invisibility is a result of him using magnetism on iron sand to reflect light around him, he's constantly manipulating a magnetic field around him so as a result all of Mariah's attacks would be incredibly effective on him because of how she fights. It's a super cool interaction that they didn't need to do, but that's part of why I love All-Star Battle. They really go all out with the character references, it's honestly insanely hype.
Actually, fuck, even just Rohan or New Moon Pucci could make a list like this they're both really fucking weird.
I'm just curious, if the Ginyu player gets a KO while swapped, does it kill the opponents character? Or is it a case that you permanently have the swapped character until it's death?
Alessi in heritage turning his opponent into a child/jojo reference, altering both movesets temporarily
What comes to my mind more than weird moves is weird mechanics/meters exclusive to one character in a game (junpei’s baseball), maybe that can be the base (keh) for a video
In Soul Calibur, Yoshimitsu has a command grab that drains life from the opponent...and another that drains Yoshimitsu's life and gives it to the opponent.
Additionally, the Full Moon version Neco Arc Chaos in Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code has a move (EX: Super Electromagnetic Secret Nekoeste: Stamp Relay of Western Japan) that instead of dealing damage, heals the opponent and causes circuit break (makes Meter unusable for a while) at point blank.
You can’t be most unique, unique means one of a kind
I guess Bedman's replay mechanic was what inspired the mechanic of the same name for Abacchio in JJBA: All Star Battle R? That game has some pretty interesting characters, I think it would be cool for you to cover it sometime
For anyone who has problems with rise rhythm game, the game only checks if you click said button at the right time and nothing else before or during so if you set a button to press a b c d at the same time and mash it you'll get a perfect every time
I mean, you've already showcased p4a...
Junpei is playing baseball. Not any single move... His whole character.
And mvc3 has Phoenix Wright and Frank West.
Shout-out to Mister Acolyte's *insane* Ginyu team mix, he makes it look easy.
Came for sick content
Left for shadow world slander
Good vid tho
The weirdest special move kit I can think of goes to Koishi Komeiji in the airborne Touhou fighting games. Yes, "airborne." The fact that you're playing a bullet hell fighting game where you are actively flying around but still using standard 2D fighter mechanics is already weird, but Koishi is a character whose abilities are based on the subconscious, and she has built that into not only her special moves, but also some of her strong attacks. When you use one of them, she'll get a ring rotating around herself of a color related to the move. This move is now something she is subconsciously thinking about doing. Koishi will then stop whatever she is doing and *use* the move if the opponent fulfills a specific condition, without you needing to input the attack. For example, she has an anti air that comes out if the opponent ever moves above her, and she has a fullscreen command grab that will come out if the opponent is ever horizontally level with her and in hitstun or something funky like that (it's been a long time since I've played the game). I seem to recall that she could only load so many of these moves at once, but I don't remember how many.
Oh, as an added bonus, her dash is very slow but, if used while on the center line (on the "ground" that you gravitate towards in the air) she turns invisible and reappears behind the opponent.
Update: She also has an attack where she sneezes at the enemy with a huge hitbox and decent knockback for zoning, but every second time she tries to use it, she won't sneeze and the hitbox won't come out. So you kind of have to "reload" it.
Lilith’s “Showtime!” Super from Vampire Savior
there's a game called slap happy rhythm busters, and it's a fighter for the ps1 where the gimmick is everyone has a rhythm game super, and ironically they're not that useful since they cost three bars of meter which is better spent elsewhere, even if you are good at rhythm games, but you get a cool cinematic finisher if you land a kill with them.
even beyond this gimmick the game has a really nice cell shaded aesthetic, like a somehow brighter and more colourful jet set radio.
In the Touhou fighting games one of the characters Yukari has a rather interesting special… especially if you don’t fullly know the lore b/c in this rather Fantasy looking world Yukari can hit her foes with a FREAKING TRAIN
Oh forgot the best part in the most recent one AOCF… not only does she get this Manic theme that sounds like a Train barreling down the tracks… THE TRAIN ALSO EXPLODES!!!
Bedman was my favorite new addition to th gg series haven't played strive didnt catch my eye and i love me some GGsince ps1 days
Surprised there is no mention of Joy Mech Fight on this list, while it is an NES fighting game it does feature some unique and strange moves such as the Sukapon Roll from Sukapon. A Blanka ball style charge move that during it's active time gives you variable options based on the button you press and the timing of the press; examples would be pressing the punch button allows you to perform a jump which conserves the momentum of the roll which goes higher depending on how early you press the punch button, pressing the kick button performs a small hop in place to catch certain jumps and faint an opponent's punish option, and a secret third option where performing half circle back and both the punch and kick buttons performs the "crazy roll" which is a much less mobile hop that deals the most damage out of any move in the game, it's trajectory and damage is completely random but is heavily rewarding if you land it.
Sincerely hope the game can be covered on the channel, for a channel about fighting game talk or oddities a game like Joy Mech Fight could be worth talking about for it's varied roster, inputs system, and it's general mechanics which would make for good content.
I used to main Rise because I liked her as a character and because her rhythm game based special move
That was such a pleasant video
I'm not a fighting game guy, but this was very interesting
WOOO BEDMAN WOOOO BEDMAN? AS WELL IN STRIVE WOOOO
Darun Mister from Street Fighter EX2+:
Gamble Of Darun.
It's his Level 3 Super, it's a multi-grab super done with 360º+ 3 Punches.
After it begins, both players are put in this minigame where Darun has to do 360º+P or 360º+K inputs and the opponent has to press either Punch or Kick, to try and guess Darun's input. If they guess correctly, they break out of the grab, even damaging Darun back if they guess on theitr first try. If not, Darun proceeds with the next grab of the sequence, dealing more and more damage on each stage.
On the 5th and last stage, if the opponent didn't break out, Darun proceeds to bend their opponent into a pretzel for about 10 seconds, before slamming their head into the ground from the fucking stratosphere for an *INSTANT KILL*
What makes it even more interesting is that the last input is not a 360º; it's a secret input not explained either in-game nor in the manual, and is also a completely unique input (Spoiler ahead I guess):
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Charge Up, Down, Up + punch or kick.
MK11 believe it or not, its called Shifting Sands. Geras has it. It's.. akin to an odd almost false wall on either edge, but for only one launcher it seems. Really weird underused move that can pull the enemy out of hitting you as it drags them to the center, and can actually make Geras plus after getting hit due to the string whiffing halfway through
lowain going undrafted is mad
I'm surprised you didn't mention Lilith's Gloomy Puppet Show or, well, anything in Skullgirls.
Idk how well it would fit in but I do think Geras from MK would be a good fit for a video like this. Lots of stuff related to manipulating time - one ability from casual MK11 allowed him to add and subtract time from the round timer. Another (tournament legal) ability replaced his combo breaker with a full rewind out of a combo along with rewinding health to where it was at the point being rewound to. Very interesting character for an NRS game imo
Wow more content! Love your vids!
I like playing Ginyu purely because at the end of the day if I hit the body change it doesn’t matter how good I am at Ginyu it matters how good you are at Ginyu
Surprised there was no shoutout to Bedman?'s error 6E, which is fittingly a malfunctioning, fucked-up, barely controllable version of Deja Vu.
I propose the entirety of jumpei’s moveset
One HC of Ruby Heart that makes you throw some knifes and doesn't really do much damage
Holy shit based liquid tension experiment
Hsien-ko has a random throw projectile way before faust
Faust is a two in the stink type of guy huh
rise's rhythm super is actually not the only one of its kind-lilith in vsav/darkstalkers has the same thing!
Bedman my beloved, missed opportunity to talk about te best super in the game though