The valve is 100% functional. Cut the muffler open and you will see the flow path is different on each side. The path going to the passenger (valve) side bypasses the muffler internally. Put a catless downpipe on the car and the difference with valve open vs closed is VERY dramatic.
The exhaust flap does help out a lot once you add an aftermarket downpipe to the car. In sport mode you’ll definitely hear the exhaust more at highway speeds in sport mode. In normal mode with an aftermarket downpipe the car is silent just like stock. That’s perfect in my opinion. Once you switch to sport mode, there’s a real transformation in sound that the exhaust flap makes possible. So on a stock car, not much difference. Once you start tuning, it’s a good option to have.
Duh. I think most knew about fake exhaust noises coming from the speaker. How do u not know that? This is nothing new. Luckily with my audi I can turn it off.
The inside sound is a gimmick the valve is active as you showed it opens and closes lol.... I am confused as to how you are saying it does nothing? I makes the car Noticably louder! in real life and on camera. No its not a straight pipe but that's not its intent... and yes on Most the exhausts for this car aftermarket companies have made it better by making it straight on the valve side or a smaller muffler. but its 100% active. Also sport mode isn't the exhaust only its sport mode as you said in the beginning from suspension, steering to tune of the car. I get it its TH-cam your likely just saying this for the comments.
phat56pat In real life the valve being open barely makes a difference in sound. I’ve been driving for two weeks now with the valve manually opened. Start up is slightly louder. But normal driving and hard driving. The exhaust tone is identical to the valve being closed. The valve maybe changes the sound 5%. That’s not enough to say it’s functional 🤷🏻♂️
Bros FOURR Speed we have personally done a decibel test and it’s louder. From 92 closed to 97 dB open. And decibels making increases of 5 dB is considerable in sound. Saying it’s a gimmick is false it litterally makes it louder but clicks are clicks I get it.
phat56pat Well driving, the wind/road noise makes it to where I can barely tell a difference 🤷🏻♂️. In my opinion an active valve in an exhaust should make a substantial different. Straight piped vs going through a muffler. If the wind noise makes it to where I have to really concentrate to hear the difference, that’s not functional to me
Bros FOURR Speed well they have to be within legal limits so on on certain countries. The muffler is supposedly straight thru on that side but I don’t believe that. People want a lot that the car is not. Just saying it’s a gimmick is false it does quite a bit. But well done on click bait
The valve is for less sound/air for city driving and for comfort. The sport mode is to stiffen the electric dampers and suspension and to open the valve for better exhaust airflow.
Interesting. However I dynos this car bone stock in sport mode and normal mode. It makes the exact same power. So Toyota just wanted it to have a tad more sound I guess, and maybe it helps make the pops louder in sport mode. I now have a Magnaflow exhaust on it that uses the stock valve. It's amazing! th-cam.com/video/bpBAHvR_Lpg/w-d-xo.html
@@BrosFOURRSpeed what? Why would sport mode make more power? Dude the valve isn’t to make more sound, it’s for more airflow either way it’s going through the muffler so the sound isn’t gonna be any different. All you did in the video was turn off the active sound which is just pumped it sound, sport more turns that up. If you want a louder sound you need to make changes to to exhaust.
I always wondered why the valve was placed AFTER the muffler and NOT before. This confirms my suspicions. Stupid placement and not making any noise difference.
Yeah really. I actually never thought of that aspect. Probably just to make the sound more uniform when the pops happen. I ended up doing a full exhaust using Magnaflow active setup. And that had a real valve. Sounded epic!
Bro.. you could of seen that just because of where the valve is located... if its just going to the tip, then its not bypassing any muffler, just closing airflow still after it came out of the muffler lol
Chompin_C7 True. But you’d think maybe that side of the muffler would just have a straight through pipe with no packing or something. I’d love to cut open the muffler and see if it’s symmetrical
yeah would be interesting to see the design.. maybe a blueprint online somewhere? Would be great if they did it like the c7 corvette or camaros to where it diverted. cuz at this point, why bother with the valves... seems like it blocks lots of aiflow back there lol
@@BrosFOURRSpeed Guys...just think. With the valve closed the air has to flow through the muffler 100% and come out through the other pipe tip. Whereas when the valve is open the air flows through the easiest path which is the tip without the muffler. So it actually does work as it is supposed to, just in a cheap way with the air flowing either in one exhaust tip or the other, not through both
Picking my ex demo 3.0 pro up in the morning 800 miles only in the previous ice grey paint with chrome spokes. Exited and ready to mod the hell out of it. HKS shocks springs Rotiform 3 piece wheels . Exhaust mods with cat and a re map . I work in film action cars and can’t wait to get with my own fast and furious supra.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed So, what you're saying is that the car is not making that noise? It's an engineered sound by the systems computer, and not a real time recording of the sound the car is making, so as to allow the driver to hear the car without the windows down? If so, does the radio need to be on for this happen since the sound is played via the cars speakers?
@@davideugenediaz What I’m showing in the video is, the physical valve is not the reason the car gets louder in sport mode. The endings tuning makes the exhaust louder. And the computer plays an amplified engine/exhaust sound in sport mode through an interior speaker. I turned it off with the BimmerCode App. And with the exhaust valve manuallly stock open or closed. That’s what helped confirm the valve itself isn’t making the louder sound.
I would probably remove the valve completely. Having it closed could possibly be costing you a tiny bit of fuel economy because it restricts the exhaust flow.
I think you should do your own exhaust “aftermarket “ bro and thanks for sharing your views on your experience that helps a lot and now I rather get a covette C8 ❤️✅
*Hearing BMW chimes when you start your car* Toyota! Could you not done anything to make this feel less like it was built by BMW besides putting a Toyota logo on the front hood? Maybe Toyota chimes or infotainment system that was still 100% compatible with the BMW EMU?
You can change the chime! But what’s wrong with a bmw lol? I didn’t mind it at all, bmw has nice interiors, but Toyota did tune the engine and had a hand in that.
You can change the chime! But what’s wrong with a bmw lol? I didn’t mind it at all, bmw has nice interiors, but Toyota did tune the engine and had a hand in that.
If you turn off the fake engine noise, it technically flashes the ECU. Does that mean they will try to deny any warranty work and claim you tuned the car and reverted it back to stock even if you didn’t?
I'm not too sure about that actually. But now my car is fully tuned with full bolt ons. So I'm not too concerned lol. But the dealer would have to prove that any modification I did caused whatever issue first
Calling it as a gimmick is one that i dont agree,because it actualy functional.. The valve moves open and close,meaning that will alter the exhaust gas route,that is functional.. You need to understand that the main function of the valve is to open up another way for the exhaust gas to get out,not to increase the sound it creates. . sport mode is sport mode,not loud mode.. If you ask sport mode to be loud mode i think you need another exhaust system.. And for the final word,its not good to say that it does nothing when its actualy does something. Gread videos as usual anyway. And when will we see the supra get some big power upgrade.
abdi syahrizal But the functionality is so small it hardly makes a difference. 95% of the added sound is either from the tuning in sport mode or the speakers. Valve is like 5% of what you hear. Not enough to call it functional 🤷🏻♂️
So do you like active sound design on or off? Also, you can unplug the active sound design module in the trunk, it's on the drivers side wall. If you make a video unplugging it, I think you'll be the first to video it for the a90. MKV Supra forum confirms it doesn't throw any codes when unplugged.
Bros FOURR Speed what tune did you land on? I’m running a OTS stage 2 off BM3, and have full stainless Magnaflow, catless downpipe and highflow air filter. I wonder if there is a big difference between OTS and custom tune. If I could get 10% more off a custom tune I’d jump on it.
Definitely not. Back pressure doesn't help a car out. My car is not fully straight popes. Much more power and flow wit the tuning. I think it's there to help the pops be louder when in sport mode.
that is the first thing I noticed was the fake vents and I noticed that Toyota does that on some of there other models as well. Like the new Camry. I also noticed that there is a gap on the front panels where it meats the bumper I thought that was a flaw but after looking at four other supra's and they are all like that. But other than that I love the car and definitely getting one at the end of the year when my wife's car is paid off. Good video and a lot good information before I purchase the vehicle. definitely getting rid of the fake exhaust noise coming out of the speakers that you talked about in your other video. Keep the videos coming, very good content.
It would be interesting to hear what Toyota has to say about your comments. I am not fully convinced you are correct since everything else on the car is top notch and like you said why bother if it does nothing. My Corvette has active exhaust and it is not that much louder either, I mean maybe a little but does it change the performance?
Id love to hear their comment too LOL. But the speakers play the vast majority of the engine sounds while in sport mode. Thats a fact since after I turned it off, I barely heard any difference. I think the valve opened in sport mode just make the pops sound louder then if it didn't have a valve. My car now if FBO and tuned with the Magnaflow exhaust. That has a real valve and its night and day difference! th-cam.com/video/bpBAHvR_Lpg/w-d-xo.html
My MK7 GTI has what VW calls a "Soundaktor" which is a device mounted on the upper firewall that actually vibrates the front windshield in order to augment the engine sound during acceleration. It's very obnoxious and the frequency range of the Soundaktor hurt my sensitive ears. Went straight back to the dealer and had them deactivate the Soundaktor system. So much better just to hear the natural and real engine induction and exhaust sounds!!
Wow that's very interesting! Since this video I straight piped the exhaust and tuned it. So now the valve has a function and it's night and day difference. I'll stick with hearing the real sounds then these fake speakers and other artificial means
Sport mode only allows for better throttle response which wouldn't really affect the mpg or gas, but it's how often you are accelerating quickly and all that. I guess technically it could with that better response, but if so, it's minimal and not really a factor.
Regarding fake engine sound through speakers: Car manufacturers do this because the sound is a huge part of the driving pleasure of a car. A quet car will not be as fun or thrilling to drive no matter how fast it is. So why not make cars loud like they did in the good old days? Because there are (lame) restrictions and laws on car emmisions, so much so, that its almost impossible to make a car thats at the same time well sound insulated (so you dont get terrible tire/outdoor/road/wind noises etc) but still hear your own muffler loud and clear at the same time. So they compensate by making the muffler queter, so that it meets regulations, and give you a fake sound through the speakers to make up for it. I propose a revolutionary yet simple solution to this problem. First manufacturers need to be hoest about it, dont try to fool us into thinking the engine/exhaust is louder than it really is. Embrace the truth. Openly say its a nice sounding muffler, but not a loud one, and you get to hear it in all its glory through your cars sound syste. DO give us sound through the speakers BUT the sound must NOT be FAKE. Get a microphone and place it in a strategic place to give you a full and real audio feedback of your car. Simple. Empower the driver. Give us the option to turn it on or off in the cars settings. The ability to increase or decrease volume of the playback, and to EQ the sound to our liking with adjustable bass/mid/treble. No need for FAKE sounds. There are soo many small, sturdy, and cheap microphones that are only about as big as a coin and just as flat. they are cheap and they have superb audio quality. lemme hear real exhaust sounds and glorious pops using a quality mic hooked up to the sound system > completely fake sound through sound system.
Yeah it's cool how they do it. But with my car having a full exhaust, I tuned the sounds off that came through the speakers. Makes the car sound less artificial.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed Similar story here. I have a NISMO sport muffler upgrade. Its is a stock part, not aftermarket. It meets legal requirments. So as you imagine, It sounds absolutely AMAZING, it pops and burbles and has a really deep throaty sound. But being legal/official part, its is not loud. I would love to hear an amplified or miced up playback of the muffler on the sound system. But that is not possible. I can have iether get an artificial sound through the sound system, which doesnt even match or sound the same, or i can turn off the fake car speaker sounds and live with an amazing sounding car, but with now its low volume. i ended up turning it off too.
It's a BMW drivetrain. All BMW's have that valve in one exhaust pipe. So, basically u r using one exhaust pipe when u drive around normal. But if u think that's fake. U see the Camry twin exhaust pipes. One of the exits R completely sealed off. Now what's that about...
It does actually make a difference. You didnt prove anything in this video lol I have active sound disabled and there definitely is a difference in how loud it is.
The difference is from the engine tuning. Not the physical valve opening. In this vid when I have the fake sound disabled and I show the difference in sport mode vs normal mode. There is only the slightest faint sound difference. It's really negligible. Keep the valve physically opened and turn off the fake engine sounds. You'll see the same differences as you'll see with the valve working with the fake engine sound off
@@BrosFOURRSpeed if you look at the internal design of the muffler, when it's closed all exhaust goes through the baffles, when it's open it bypasses the baffles in the muffler. Yes the sport button switches to a different map on the ECU as well. I love your videos but you didn't approach this in the correct way, and in my opinion it's just clickbait trash.
I figured it had to be an active sound system when I had mine in sport mode and a rear approaching emergency vehicle caused a weird bass sounding siren like pulse to come through the speakers. Still love the car though!
I drove it for the first time and it sounded great. But I was upset because it pumped in sound through the speakers :( . The burble is nice but it’s not loud.
Yeah it's dumb it has the fake engine sounds. I ended up tuning my car with a full exhaust. Sounds amazing now! th-cam.com/video/bpBAHvR_Lpg/w-d-xo.html
Do your research or read my comment…. It’s not through the speakers. It’s ports within the cabin. Not through the speakers the music plays out of… listen to how the car sounds outside. Sounds the same as in the cabin silly rabbits. 👍🏽🤣🤣🤣🤣
If you left the valves open after disconnection wouldn’t the only difference be the intensity of the burbles Which clearly shows that the valves actually work because with the valve connected you hear a difference in the loudness ? I’m confused
Dreyy Yeah that’s the only difference with it open. But closed too the sounds isn’t any louder. Just the initial cold start up is a bit more. But normal driving it’s such a small difference, not really a worth wild valve
Can anyone help me with my Supra, it had heaps of pops and crackles when purchased and after 1 month it’s really quiet even in sport mode, Toyota australia think it’s because of the adaptive drive? Any thought to fix it or just use BM3 software to bypass? Cheers
@@BrosFOURRSpeed it still has pops and crackles just very mild now, but a deffanet change from before I purchased car, Toyota think because it was a demo Model, the car had heaps of short and aggressive drives and adapted that drive so made burbles louder more aggressive. But even gst roar start up has gone. I keep thinking I’m going crazy watching all these US Supra vids. I think I’ll get the MST cold air you got that looks great. Was thinking about the BM3 mod.
idk about that. Normal mode has a softer suspicion feel, lighter steering, less throttle response and slower shifts. Sport mode make the engine respond sooner, suspension tightens up, steering gets heavy and transmission shift faster
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I bought a 2018 Vs golf r & it has the exact same valves on the exhaust tips & cockpit fake noises. The pops & bangs are artificial too, something to do with the car still igniting the fuel & air in the chamber while the exhaust port is open when you go off the throttle. They can’t make noisy cars anymore thanks to regulations & at the same time customers demand low wind & road noise so they pipe it in. E.v cars used to be near silent a couple of years ago but they changed the law that they have to make an audible noise, so now they all make a fake sound, like a flying saucer or something.
CarGuy11 I did this test on the highway. The drone difference is negligible with the valve open or closed. The fake engine sound out of the speaks is what makes that ‘drone sound’ while in sport mode. I’ve had the valve disabled and in the open position. Highway cruising is no different 😅
Bros FOURR Speed I have the fake sound disabled & there is a difference when applying throttle to maintain speed. It’s the same way on my C7 with valve open there is some drone on highway.
@@CarGuy11 Yes there is a difference. But its super negligible. The wind/road noise cancels it out in my opinion. For me, I have to concentrate on actually listening to the change. So its like a 5% difference lol. Not enough of a difference to call it an 'active valve'
Keep in mind in this video I showed me disconnecting the valve and manually keeping it open. I'm showing that the physical valve is not what makes the exhaust louder. It is just the engine tuning that makes it louder. Valve itself doesnt even need to be there
its like this on all cars post 2013 because of emissions regulations. they have to fit higher cell cats or more cats in order to comply. btw its considered active if it has valves. Now, go get a decatted downpipe and tell me if it changes. As with the pops, its just dumping fuel in order to make pops. obviously its part of the tuning.
Good afternoon. I know they left a few things out or fake parts for people to tune or as expected modify the vehicle but like you said to go out of their way to place something there that is basically useless gets me too. I'm guessing an armytrix exhaust it's on its way lol. Have a good day and thank you for the video. Learned so much. Toyota is killing me.
I suspected noise may be pumped into the cabin, to some degree, as all cars do this nowadays even GT86 has it. The valve thing not sure how many cars have that. You should get one of those special exhausts you mentioned.
Feel like when you disabled it you could hear the intake noise more. Which for me I'd like and you still get the real pops and bangs. Good content though, keep it up!
Yeah i tuned out the start stop feature with the Bimmer Code app. And ended up doing a full active exhaust with tuning. So I had real sounds when I was done with the car
Do you need to have a certain code reader in order to use bimmer code? I literally just got one a few weeks ago, not trying to get another one but I will if that’s what it takes to get that fake sound out of the cabin lol
You could have just unplugged it when valve was open. That's what I did with my f33. Unplugged it, tapped up both ends, and zip tied the wire so it wasnt hanging. Also I believe with the whole valve situation is that while you're driving in sport or sport plus, the valve opens and closes with depending on the throttle. Btw that intake sounds good!
Everyone already knew this. You are down-playing the car. Sport mode does change the sound of the car, because the exhaust pops like a sports car, and it's slightly louder. Still barely appreciate this though, because I'd disable the sound thing. Probably will make my mp3s sound worse.
Once again, THANK YOU! I HATED the fake (news) sounds it made. Do you notice the stereo sounds better now that it doesn't have to play engine noises AND music at the same time?
What Toyota gives you is a plan to do stuff right. Lets say... You want power... So you change the stock turbo and make the ecu programming And hay... Your sport mode works correctly. Vents? Easy... Just use fake vents and make em real instead of drilling and cutting into the body and have a chance of ruining it. It's not fake.. It's just there incase you made a modification that requires it.
What don’t you understand about it? It attracts people to what they think makes it sound better, generating more desire to buy it, with little engineering effort on BMW/Toyota’s part, meaning lower production cost and higher profit. It worked on you, probably many others, too. And honestly, what’s the big deal anyway? If you like the way it sounds when you drive it, and the speakers help that, who cares what it sounds like outside?
Farah got about the C8 Corvette sound compelled Farah to tweet, "The new Corvette has fake engine noise from the speakers. This is not a driving impression, it is a specification fact, so I can say it." www.autoblog.com/2019/10/07/c8-chevy-corvette-exhaust/
Just showing how the majority of the sound the Supra makes in sport mode is fake. Speakers play engine sound and the engine tuning does the pops. The valve back there makes no sound difference. I like finding this kind of info about my cars out, interesting to me
Have you tried recording the audio from outside (While driving) Because according to what I witnessed with 2020 model there was a difference. Also, Have you tried same car with stock tune ?
How about driving with the windows down? the wind buffeting is so awful there might as well not be windows, toyota truly didn't test this car as much as they claim.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed cool! One thing I’ve always wanted to do to a modern car is remove all the unneeded electrical gubbins (especially the fake pop and bang thing), and maybe even try putting a carb on one. It would be cool, probably wouldn’t work though. Especially a carburettor.
I am enjoying it. But as an automotive TH-camr who wants to share everything about the new Supra with people interested in the car. It was fun to dive into the valve and point out how its pretty much a gimmick. I like knowing everything about my car. Currently I have a real active exhaust and full bolt ons with over 450 HP. So its much different now
To be honest I prefer the induction noise over the exhaust, but that's just me. Totally agree with you on why they would have a fake active exhaust, seems like a waste of time and money. But again that's just me. Nice video. @fgx6t
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I would cause it's made by BMW a German company not Toyota. Like damn it's one thing for Toyota not to make it it's another thing for it to be not a Japanese company which takes away it's whole JDM appeal which is what the supra is classically known as.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed which also proves my point of why modern cars are becoming less and less appealing which is why Ill stick with the 90s and early 2000s cars with an a few exceptions here and there. Which I don't completely blame the car companies I know they're just obeying the rulers of our overbearing authoratian goverment with their ridiculous EPA rules but that's another discussion for another day lol
@@marioandultrachap yeah. It’s still a fantastic car tho! Such a benchmark car to be honest. But Toyota developed the car just as much as BMW. They just didn’t physically build it
@@canadianloon6433 Have you driven a new Supra? Especially one with FBO? Great car and it's a modern version of how Toyota could justify building a low volume sportscar ;)
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I'm not in to racing or handling. I live in Toronto Canada and everything is straight. I do like power from the start and that's why I own a Lexus RCF Decent torque for on-ramp fun. I do totally get your point that it would be a good fun handling machine. The looks are way too busy. Not that my RCF isn't busy but not as busy.
You're truly a bro indeed. I've owned a 2014 c63, naturally aspirator, 2017 c63 s with the same valve opening button concept as the Supra. Both cars had a growl like no other, but the Supra has a sound all of its own. I now own a Supra a91 edition. It sounds just the same outside the car as it does inside. How do I know? I've had it on a dyno and used a decibel meter both inside and outside the care. The outside is definitely louder, but just to be clear the valve opening is about performance on BMWs and not sound. Also, the piping of sound in the cockpit is nothing new for plenty of car companies. Today's turbo engines can lose sound completely at high rates of speed so a lot of companies use the sound to aid the driver in shifting, so it's not a gimmick it's a feature, but you have to be a true enthusiast to understand. Also, who puts red rims on a car.
Actually the valve doesn't add any power. I had my car on the dyno and we did normal mode vs sport mode. They both make the exact same power. I think the valve here is to just help the pops be louder in the stock configuration. My car is now FBO with the Magnaflow active exhaust. Sounds amazing! And I do... I put red wheels on my car. The beautiful thing in life is. You can do what you want with your own car. If you don't like red wheels, then don't do it to your car ;)
@@userseattleregion th-cam.com/video/DJ3BiVcXXcg/w-d-xo.html Intersting. Here's my car stock on the dyno. And here's after adding the downpipe and then tune. th-cam.com/video/smaXu4MmDIA/w-d-xo.html
The "active exhaust" on the Supra is definitely a cheesy gimmick but I doubt most buyers will ever take the time to take a close look at it like you did and will never realize that it's fake. Excellent and informative video!
CarGuy11 Do you have the Bimmer Code App? Because if you have the Active Sound enabled, you’ll hear the drone in sport mode. But it’s fake. Just speaker sound
Darrion Tunstall you can’t really blame Toyota for this. The sound through speaker is called bmw active sound. BMW uses it on allot of their vehicles. And in case you missed it, the mk5 Supra is based on the BMW Z4.
it's interesting that BMW's clear platform came out the same time as the Toyota global architecture platform which was 2015, so I'm pretty sure Toyota had some input in clar platform as both Toyota and BMW co-developed the platform for the z4 and dr supra and was done before 2015 www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/060115/who-are-bmws-main-suppliers.asp and both the z4 and supra are built by Magna International
![เปิดใจ พี่ญา คนรุม หลังทัวร์ลง หนักสุดในชีวิต!! l [Nickynachat]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2-OJZRtclro/mqdefault.jpg)
Like many BMW's, the valve is not not for sound - It is for higher flow rate at high rpm.
Yeah BMW has been doing that for like 2 decades now lol
Drove the car for the first time. Is friking amazing.
Same I’m renting it tomorrow
Not worth the extra price over an m240i
The valve is 100% functional. Cut the muffler open and you will see the flow path is different on each side. The path going to the passenger (valve) side bypasses the muffler internally. Put a catless downpipe on the car and the difference with valve open vs closed is VERY dramatic.
The exhaust flap does help out a lot once you add an aftermarket downpipe to the car. In sport mode you’ll definitely hear the exhaust more at highway speeds in sport mode.
In normal mode with an aftermarket downpipe the car is silent just like stock. That’s perfect in my opinion. Once you switch to sport mode, there’s a real transformation in sound that the exhaust flap makes possible. So on a stock car, not much difference. Once you start tuning, it’s a good option to have.
Ron Henry I can definitely see that!
Can you get a dyno run to see if there really is any difference between valve open and closed?
There is
These flaps are in almost every sports car today. Reason the exist is to reduce noise in the neighborhoods. It's very useful and a great feature.
Duh. I think most knew about fake exhaust noises coming from the speaker.
How do u not know that? This is nothing new. Luckily with my audi I can turn it off.
mastalee I’m used to an old school GTR 🤷🏻♂️
The inside sound is a gimmick the valve is active as you showed it opens and closes lol.... I am confused as to how you are saying it does nothing? I makes the car Noticably louder! in real life and on camera. No its not a straight pipe but that's not its intent... and yes on Most the exhausts for this car aftermarket companies have made it better by making it straight on the valve side or a smaller muffler. but its 100% active. Also sport mode isn't the exhaust only its sport mode as you said in the beginning from suspension, steering to tune of the car. I get it its TH-cam your likely just saying this for the comments.
phat56pat In real life the valve being open barely makes a difference in sound. I’ve been driving for two weeks now with the valve manually opened. Start up is slightly louder. But normal driving and hard driving. The exhaust tone is identical to the valve being closed. The valve maybe changes the sound 5%. That’s not enough to say it’s functional 🤷🏻♂️
Bros FOURR Speed we have personally done a decibel test and it’s louder. From 92 closed to 97 dB open. And decibels making increases of 5 dB is considerable in sound. Saying it’s a gimmick is false it litterally makes it louder but clicks are clicks I get it.
And any difference means it’s functional
phat56pat Well driving, the wind/road noise makes it to where I can barely tell a difference 🤷🏻♂️. In my opinion an active valve in an exhaust should make a substantial different. Straight piped vs going through a muffler. If the wind noise makes it to where I have to really concentrate to hear the difference, that’s not functional to me
Bros FOURR Speed well they have to be within legal limits so on on certain countries. The muffler is supposedly straight thru on that side but I don’t believe that. People want a lot that the car is not. Just saying it’s a gimmick is false it does quite a bit. But well done on click bait
The valve is about moving more air not "sounding cool" #dyno runs with different boost levels if it does nothing then maybe make a legitimate claim
The valve is for less sound/air for city driving and for comfort. The sport mode is to stiffen the electric dampers and suspension and to open the valve for better exhaust airflow.
Interesting. However I dynos this car bone stock in sport mode and normal mode. It makes the exact same power. So Toyota just wanted it to have a tad more sound I guess, and maybe it helps make the pops louder in sport mode. I now have a Magnaflow exhaust on it that uses the stock valve. It's amazing! th-cam.com/video/bpBAHvR_Lpg/w-d-xo.html
@@BrosFOURRSpeed what? Why would sport mode make more power?
Dude the valve isn’t to make more sound, it’s for more airflow either way it’s going through the muffler so the sound isn’t gonna be any different. All you did in the video was turn off the active sound which is just pumped it sound, sport more turns that up. If you want a louder sound you need to make changes to to exhaust.
I always wondered why the valve was placed AFTER the muffler and NOT before. This confirms my suspicions. Stupid placement and not making any noise difference.
Yeah really. I actually never thought of that aspect. Probably just to make the sound more uniform when the pops happen. I ended up doing a full exhaust using Magnaflow active setup. And that had a real valve. Sounded epic!
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I thought you went with AWE, not Magnaflow?
I had the AWE then swapped it for the magnaflow. Magnaflow was an awesome setup since it had a valve system
Bro.. you could of seen that just because of where the valve is located... if its just going to the tip, then its not bypassing any muffler, just closing airflow still after it came out of the muffler lol
Chompin_C7 True. But you’d think maybe that side of the muffler would just have a straight through pipe with no packing or something. I’d love to cut open the muffler and see if it’s symmetrical
yeah would be interesting to see the design.. maybe a blueprint online somewhere? Would be great if they did it like the c7 corvette or camaros to where it diverted. cuz at this point, why bother with the valves... seems like it blocks lots of aiflow back there lol
@@BrosFOURRSpeed Guys...just think. With the valve closed the air has to flow through the muffler 100% and come out through the other pipe tip. Whereas when the valve is open the air flows through the easiest path which is the tip without the muffler. So it actually does work as it is supposed to, just in a cheap way with the air flowing either in one exhaust tip or the other, not through both
Picking my ex demo 3.0 pro up in the morning 800 miles only in the previous ice grey paint with chrome spokes. Exited and ready to mod the hell out of it. HKS shocks springs Rotiform 3 piece wheels . Exhaust mods with cat and a re map . I work in film action cars and can’t wait to get with my own fast and furious supra.
Nice! I just bought a 2023 manual supra. So we're back to having Supra content on the channel!
This is like complaining that your girl is a 9, when you thought she was a 10. 🙄
Umm no not really..
@@BrosFOURRSpeed So, what you're saying is that the car is not making that noise? It's an engineered sound by the systems computer, and not a real time recording of the sound the car is making, so as to allow the driver to hear the car without the windows down? If so, does the radio need to be on for this happen since the sound is played via the cars speakers?
@@davideugenediaz What I’m showing in the video is, the physical valve is not the reason the car gets louder in sport mode. The endings tuning makes the exhaust louder. And the computer plays an amplified engine/exhaust sound in sport mode through an interior speaker. I turned it off with the BimmerCode App. And with the exhaust valve manuallly stock open or closed. That’s what helped confirm the valve itself isn’t making the louder sound.
I would probably remove the valve completely. Having it closed could possibly be costing you a tiny bit of fuel economy because it restricts the exhaust flow.
mpgxsvcd I couldn’t get the spring back in so I ended up leaving the valve manually opened for the last two weeks 😅
Modern luxuries bring modern gimmicks 😂
I think you should do your own exhaust “aftermarket “ bro and thanks for sharing your views on your experience that helps a lot and now I rather get a covette C8 ❤️✅
It probably does something for exhaust flow, why would they go through all the trouble of fitting the valve for it to do nothing.
No clue. But it really doesn't do much. I have a full exhaust on the car now with a tune. Way better then stock! lol
*Hearing BMW chimes when you start your car*
Toyota! Could you not done anything to make this feel less like it was built by BMW besides putting a Toyota logo on the front hood? Maybe Toyota chimes or infotainment system that was still 100% compatible with the BMW EMU?
You can change the chime! But what’s wrong with a bmw lol? I didn’t mind it at all, bmw has nice interiors, but Toyota did tune the engine and had a hand in that.
You can change the chime! But what’s wrong with a bmw lol? I didn’t mind it at all, bmw has nice interiors, but Toyota did tune the engine and had a hand in that.
Literally the most talked about car ever. I think Toyota & BMW should just hire everyone that owns a Supra to work for them.
Iconic for a reason
If you turn off the fake engine noise, it technically flashes the ECU. Does that mean they will try to deny any warranty work and claim you tuned the car and reverted it back to stock even if you didn’t?
I'm not too sure about that actually. But now my car is fully tuned with full bolt ons. So I'm not too concerned lol. But the dealer would have to prove that any modification I did caused whatever issue first
Good sleuthing Brian. That’s just amazing. Thanks for sharing this with everyone! Do love the Supra!
David Nilles Glad you liked it!
Calling it as a gimmick is one that i dont agree,because it actualy functional.. The valve moves open and close,meaning that will alter the exhaust gas route,that is functional.. You need to understand that the main function of the valve is to open up another way for the exhaust gas to get out,not to increase the sound it creates. . sport mode is sport mode,not loud mode.. If you ask sport mode to be loud mode i think you need another exhaust system.. And for the final word,its not good to say that it does nothing when its actualy does something. Gread videos as usual anyway. And when will we see the supra get some big power upgrade.
abdi syahrizal But the functionality is so small it hardly makes a difference. 95% of the added sound is either from the tuning in sport mode or the speakers. Valve is like 5% of what you hear. Not enough to call it functional 🤷🏻♂️
So do you like active sound design on or off? Also, you can unplug the active sound design module in the trunk, it's on the drivers side wall. If you make a video unplugging it, I think you'll be the first to video it for the a90. MKV Supra forum confirms it doesn't throw any codes when unplugged.
I like it off. Just creates a fake drone noise when in sport mode. Currently my car has a full exhaust and tune. So it makes plenty of real sounds lol
Bros FOURR Speed what tune did you land on? I’m running a OTS stage 2 off BM3, and have full stainless Magnaflow, catless downpipe and highflow air filter. I wonder if there is a big difference between OTS and custom tune. If I could get 10% more off a custom tune I’d jump on it.
Is the valve not for backpressure monitoring? Or is it specifically for sound?
Definitely not. Back pressure doesn't help a car out. My car is not fully straight popes. Much more power and flow wit the tuning. I think it's there to help the pops be louder when in sport mode.
Wow! It is some kind of a scheme I see... how much was the mark up for that gimmick?
that is the first thing I noticed was the fake vents and I noticed that Toyota does that on some of there other models as well. Like the new Camry. I also noticed that there is a gap on the front panels where it meats the bumper I thought that was a flaw but after looking at four other supra's and they are all like that. But other than that I love the car and definitely getting one at the end of the year when my wife's car is paid off. Good video and a lot good information before I purchase the vehicle. definitely getting rid of the fake exhaust noise coming out of the speakers that you talked about in your other video. Keep the videos coming, very good content.
You really thought it was more than just adding a second exit to the muffler?
It would be interesting to hear what Toyota has to say about your comments. I am not fully convinced you are correct since everything else on the car is top notch and like you said why bother if it does nothing. My Corvette has active exhaust and it is not that much louder either, I mean maybe a little but does it change the performance?
Id love to hear their comment too LOL. But the speakers play the vast majority of the engine sounds while in sport mode. Thats a fact since after I turned it off, I barely heard any difference. I think the valve opened in sport mode just make the pops sound louder then if it didn't have a valve. My car now if FBO and tuned with the Magnaflow exhaust. That has a real valve and its night and day difference!
th-cam.com/video/bpBAHvR_Lpg/w-d-xo.html
My MK7 GTI has what VW calls a "Soundaktor" which is a device mounted on the upper firewall that actually vibrates the front windshield in order to augment the engine sound during acceleration. It's very obnoxious and the frequency range of the Soundaktor hurt my sensitive ears. Went straight back to the dealer and had them deactivate the Soundaktor system. So much better just to hear the natural and real engine induction and exhaust sounds!!
Wow that's very interesting! Since this video I straight piped the exhaust and tuned it. So now the valve has a function and it's night and day difference. I'll stick with hearing the real sounds then these fake speakers and other artificial means
Dumb question but does Sport Mode consume more gas?
Sport mode only allows for better throttle response which wouldn't really affect the mpg or gas, but it's how often you are accelerating quickly and all that. I guess technically it could with that better response, but if so, it's minimal and not really a factor.
Regarding fake engine sound through speakers:
Car manufacturers do this because the sound is a huge part of the driving pleasure of a car. A quet car will not be as fun or thrilling to drive no matter how fast it is. So why not make cars loud like they did in the good old days?
Because there are (lame) restrictions and laws on car emmisions, so much so, that its almost impossible to make a car thats at the same time well sound insulated (so you dont get terrible tire/outdoor/road/wind noises etc) but still hear your own muffler loud and clear at the same time. So they compensate by making the muffler queter, so that it meets regulations, and give you a fake sound through the speakers to make up for it.
I propose a revolutionary yet simple solution to this problem.
First manufacturers need to be hoest about it, dont try to fool us into thinking the engine/exhaust is louder than it really is. Embrace the truth. Openly say its a nice sounding muffler, but not a loud one, and you get to hear it in all its glory through your cars sound syste.
DO give us sound through the speakers BUT the sound must NOT be FAKE.
Get a microphone and place it in a strategic place to give you a full and real audio feedback of your car. Simple.
Empower the driver. Give us the option to turn it on or off in the cars settings. The ability to increase or decrease volume of the playback, and to EQ the sound to our liking with adjustable bass/mid/treble.
No need for FAKE sounds. There are soo many small, sturdy, and cheap microphones that are only about as big as a coin and just as flat. they are cheap and they have superb audio quality.
lemme hear real exhaust sounds and glorious pops using a quality mic hooked up to the sound system > completely fake sound through sound system.
Yeah it's cool how they do it. But with my car having a full exhaust, I tuned the sounds off that came through the speakers. Makes the car sound less artificial.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed Similar story here. I have a NISMO sport muffler upgrade. Its is a stock part, not aftermarket. It meets legal requirments. So as you imagine, It sounds absolutely AMAZING, it pops and burbles and has a really deep throaty sound. But being legal/official part, its is not loud. I would love to hear an amplified or miced up playback of the muffler on the sound system. But that is not possible. I can have iether get an artificial sound through the sound system, which doesnt even match or sound the same, or i can turn off the fake car speaker sounds and live with an amazing sounding car, but with now its low volume. i ended up turning it off too.
Hey what rims do you have on the Supra? I remember you saying the stock tires fit on them 😃
I ended up having two sets of ESR wheels. Here are those two vids ;)
th-cam.com/video/84rcORQULXc/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/Gtd5FUiESu4/w-d-xo.html
Do you find the way the headlamps have that void in the middle annoying at night?
It's a BMW drivetrain. All BMW's have that valve in one exhaust pipe. So, basically u r using one exhaust pipe when u drive around normal. But if u think that's fake. U see the Camry twin exhaust pipes. One of the exits R completely sealed off. Now what's that about...
Pepper' Smith lol yeah now that’s even worse 🤦🏻♂️😅
It does actually make a difference. You didnt prove anything in this video lol I have active sound disabled and there definitely is a difference in how loud it is.
The difference is from the engine tuning. Not the physical valve opening. In this vid when I have the fake sound disabled and I show the difference in sport mode vs normal mode. There is only the slightest faint sound difference. It's really negligible. Keep the valve physically opened and turn off the fake engine sounds. You'll see the same differences as you'll see with the valve working with the fake engine sound off
@@BrosFOURRSpeed if you look at the internal design of the muffler, when it's closed all exhaust goes through the baffles, when it's open it bypasses the baffles in the muffler. Yes the sport button switches to a different map on the ECU as well. I love your videos but you didn't approach this in the correct way, and in my opinion it's just clickbait trash.
So what. What's your point?
I figured it had to be an active sound system when I had mine in sport mode and a rear approaching emergency vehicle caused a weird bass sounding siren like pulse to come through the speakers. Still love the car though!
I drove it for the first time and it sounded great. But I was upset because it pumped in sound through the speakers :( . The burble is nice but it’s not loud.
Yeah it's dumb it has the fake engine sounds. I ended up tuning my car with a full exhaust. Sounds amazing now! th-cam.com/video/bpBAHvR_Lpg/w-d-xo.html
Do your research or read my comment…. It’s not through the speakers. It’s ports within the cabin. Not through the speakers the music plays out of… listen to how the car sounds outside. Sounds the same as in the cabin silly rabbits. 👍🏽🤣🤣🤣🤣
If you left the valves open after disconnection wouldn’t the only difference be the intensity of the burbles
Which clearly shows that the valves actually work because with the valve connected you hear a difference in the loudness ?
I’m confused
Dreyy Yeah that’s the only difference with it open. But closed too the sounds isn’t any louder. Just the initial cold start up is a bit more. But normal driving it’s such a small difference, not really a worth wild valve
Bros FOURR Speed ohhh okay
Understood
Thanks for clearing that up.
Can anyone help me with my Supra, it had heaps of pops and crackles when purchased and after 1 month it’s really quiet even in sport mode, Toyota australia think it’s because of the adaptive drive? Any thought to fix it or just use BM3 software to bypass? Cheers
Weird. So not more pops in the exhaust even in sport mode? I have my car tuned with ECUtek and its been perfect
@@BrosFOURRSpeed it still has pops and crackles just very mild now, but a deffanet change from before I purchased car, Toyota think because it was a demo Model, the car had heaps of short and aggressive drives and adapted that drive so made burbles louder more aggressive. But even gst roar start up has gone. I keep thinking I’m going crazy watching all these US Supra vids. I think I’ll get the MST cold air you got that looks great. Was thinking about the BM3 mod.
Very interesting. I do not own a Supra, but I love learning about the car
Eco mode or normal mode simply for ticking a sound regulations & emissions regulations box
idk about that. Normal mode has a softer suspicion feel, lighter steering, less throttle response and slower shifts. Sport mode make the engine respond sooner, suspension tightens up, steering gets heavy and transmission shift faster
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I bought a 2018 Vs golf r & it has the exact same valves on the exhaust tips & cockpit fake noises. The pops & bangs are artificial too, something to do with the car still igniting the fuel & air in the chamber while the exhaust port is open when you go off the throttle. They can’t make noisy cars anymore thanks to regulations & at the same time customers demand low wind & road noise so they pipe it in. E.v cars used to be near silent a couple of years ago but they changed the law that they have to make an audible noise, so now they all make a fake sound, like a flying saucer or something.
The valve is there to prevent drone on highway & it does! Everyone knows the pops are from tuning 🤦♂️ Hear the exhaust differences on my channel.
CarGuy11 I did this test on the highway. The drone difference is negligible with the valve open or closed. The fake engine sound out of the speaks is what makes that ‘drone sound’ while in sport mode. I’ve had the valve disabled and in the open position. Highway cruising is no different 😅
Bros FOURR Speed I have the fake sound disabled & there is a difference when applying throttle to maintain speed. It’s the same way on my C7 with valve open there is some drone on highway.
@@CarGuy11 Yes there is a difference. But its super negligible. The wind/road noise cancels it out in my opinion. For me, I have to concentrate on actually listening to the change. So its like a 5% difference lol. Not enough of a difference to call it an 'active valve'
So i put the car into sports mode and valve is still closed? I thought it was supposed to open lol
Keep in mind in this video I showed me disconnecting the valve and manually keeping it open. I'm showing that the physical valve is not what makes the exhaust louder. It is just the engine tuning that makes it louder. Valve itself doesnt even need to be there
You can actually hear the turbo a little more at 3:30 after you turned the sound dynamics off. I’d honestly rather keep it that way!
IG: Autogera
Autogera Yeah I noticed that!!
its like this on all cars post 2013 because of emissions regulations. they have to fit higher cell cats or more cats in order to comply. btw its considered active if it has valves. Now, go get a decatted downpipe and tell me if it changes. As with the pops, its just dumping fuel in order to make pops. obviously its part of the tuning.
Good afternoon. I know they left a few things out or fake parts for people to tune or as expected modify the vehicle but like you said to go out of their way to place something there that is basically useless gets me too. I'm guessing an armytrix exhaust it's on its way lol. Have a good day and thank you for the video. Learned so much. Toyota is killing me.
Great video man! Keep it up! Also, that turbo sounds sexy af. Stock BOV or recirculating?
For a better exhaust note get yourself the acropovic turbo back with valve to change exhaust note
BMW/Toyota should comment.
I suspected noise may be pumped into the cabin, to some degree, as all cars do this nowadays even GT86 has it. The valve thing not sure how many cars have that. You should get one of those special exhausts you mentioned.
Joolz1982 New exhaust is coming 😎
Doesn't the valve block the air flow from the exhaust manifold to the actual exhaust?
Valve is just in the muffler section
It's the cat. Remove it and you get grandma mode and savage mode.
th-cam.com/video/bpBAHvR_Lpg/w-d-xo.html
Heres my car now. FBO!
Feel like when you disabled it you could hear the intake noise more. Which for me I'd like and you still get the real pops and bangs. Good content though, keep it up!
Mason Brown You totally can! The induction noise is definitely more noticeable!
i can see myself taking off that on a new car and the stop start feature which are useless crap.
Yeah i tuned out the start stop feature with the Bimmer Code app. And ended up doing a full active exhaust with tuning. So I had real sounds when I was done with the car
Great video! Keep up the great work.
mpgxsvcd Thanks!
Do you need to have a certain code reader in order to use bimmer code? I literally just got one a few weeks ago, not trying to get another one but I will if that’s what it takes to get that fake sound out of the cabin lol
Michael Richardson th-cam.com/video/bBm3k3F_C4I/w-d-xo.html here’s the vid I made on that!
You could have just unplugged it when valve was open. That's what I did with my f33. Unplugged it, tapped up both ends, and zip tied the wire so it wasnt hanging. Also I believe with the whole valve situation is that while you're driving in sport or sport plus, the valve opens and closes with depending on the throttle.
Btw that intake sounds good!
willie_ beemin Yeah I didn’t think about that lol. I like how deactivating the engine sound actually makes the turbo sounds more noticeable!
@@BrosFOURRSpeed yeah I'm not a big fan of the adaptive engine sound either but I believe alot of car makers have it. I know for sure Lexus has it.
willie_ beemin I like the old school cars like the GTR, all real lol
Not really into the new ones but old ones go 👌
The new ones faster stock 🤷🏼♂️
@@joshware6698 it better be after 30 years
You can actually hear the turbo now!
Yeah I didn't like the fake sounds. Ended up doing a full exhaust and intake and tune. Had it to 450/560 to the wheels and it made so many good noises
The valve should have been before the silencer to make a decent difference, surely...
ah, i see you come to the same conclusion.
David Codrington Yeah they should of had the one side pipe bypass the muffler with the valve. Then it’d do something 😅
Maybe the exhaust valve was forethought for aftermarket tuners
Awesome video, thanks for sharing.
Glad you liked it!
Everyone already knew this. You are down-playing the car.
Sport mode does change the sound of the car, because the exhaust pops like a sports car, and it's slightly louder.
Still barely appreciate this though, because I'd disable the sound thing. Probably will make my mp3s sound worse.
Once again, THANK YOU! I HATED the fake (news) sounds it made.
Do you notice the stereo sounds better now that it doesn't have to play engine noises AND music at the same time?
i change my mind i like the new supra ❤️✌️
Faisal Deutsche Lol it is a great car!
What Toyota gives you is a plan to do stuff right.
Lets say... You want power... So you change the stock turbo and make the ecu programming
And hay... Your sport mode works correctly.
Vents? Easy... Just use fake vents and make em real instead of drilling and cutting into the body and have a chance of ruining it.
It's not fake.. It's just there incase you made a modification that requires it.
mahmod AL-Athamnneh Thays definitely a good way to look at it!
Can you back your stock mugs please
But with an aftermarket down pipe and Exaust the sound is real
Exactly! My car is FBO right now and it absolutely rips!!
@@BrosFOURRSpeed are you using PPF or ceramics protection?
What don’t you understand about it? It attracts people to what they think makes it sound better, generating more desire to buy it, with little engineering effort on BMW/Toyota’s part, meaning lower production cost and higher profit. It worked on you, probably many others, too. And honestly, what’s the big deal anyway? If you like the way it sounds when you drive it, and the speakers help that, who cares what it sounds like outside?
I wish I never watched this video...
lol why? I ended up doing a full Magnaflow exhaust, downpipe and tune. Now the car makes real sounds
When you get the Aftermarket exhaust... it will all be better.
Farah got about the C8 Corvette sound compelled Farah to tweet, "The new Corvette has fake engine noise from the speakers. This is not a driving impression, it is a specification fact, so I can say it." www.autoblog.com/2019/10/07/c8-chevy-corvette-exhaust/
Looking forward to the new exhaust.
Oh yeah!! It's amazing!
I hate that this has happened but at least Maddie was there to cheer you up 😃
kbw rvwhntr Lol Yeah!
I do not see logic in this video.
Just showing how the majority of the sound the Supra makes in sport mode is fake. Speakers play engine sound and the engine tuning does the pops. The valve back there makes no sound difference. I like finding this kind of info about my cars out, interesting to me
Have you tried recording the audio from outside (While driving) Because according to what I witnessed with 2020 model there was a difference. Also, Have you tried same car with stock tune ?
One more thing if the engine make the pops means thats why the 2021 supra pops less. Means the 2020 car was suffocating. Umm what do you think 🧐?
How about driving with the windows down? the wind buffeting is so awful there might as well not be windows, toyota truly didn't test this car as much as they claim.
Vultite th-cam.com/video/ptX6w_3FPgU/w-d-xo.html
I fixed that a while ago. Don’t know how toyota missed that!
Big ouch.
Yeah dumb they use fake aspects. But ended up doing a full exhaust and tuning. So it made plenty of real sounds later on!
@@BrosFOURRSpeed cool!
One thing I’ve always wanted to do to a modern car is remove all the unneeded electrical gubbins (especially the fake pop and bang thing), and maybe even try putting a carb on one. It would be cool, probably wouldn’t work though. Especially a carburettor.
This video has me lost!
Awesome vid Brian 🙂.
Ricky Logan Jr. Thanks!
I wonder what’s BMW/TOYOTA’S excuse for the fake valve... 🤣
Samir Leal Yeah I know 🤦🏻♂️
Bro just enjoy your ride & stop picking it apart. It’s a freaking great ride & everyone loves it.
I am enjoying it. But as an automotive TH-camr who wants to share everything about the new Supra with people interested in the car. It was fun to dive into the valve and point out how its pretty much a gimmick. I like knowing everything about my car. Currently I have a real active exhaust and full bolt ons with over 450 HP. So its much different now
I feel like you’re disappointed on this car.
Rockdaground In the stock exhaust, yes. Everything else, Supra exceeded expectations 🙌🏼
@@BrosFOURRSpeed switch it to HKS exhaust
This is depressing
To be honest I prefer the induction noise over the exhaust, but that's just me. Totally agree with you on why they would have a fake active exhaust, seems like a waste of time and money. But again that's just me. Nice video.
@fgx6t
Yeah I like how with this turned off the turbo sounds come through. Adding a real exhaust will make it sound perfect!
Still rock the Supra in 305🔥🤘🏼
Its not big deal but it bad there it is easier to remove.
I don't hear any sound either in my Tesla 🤣
can totally here the blow off valves around 4 mins
Thivakar saravanamuthu Yeah I think the induction noise is definitely louder! It more noticeable
we GTI owners are used to fake sounds :-)
lol. I like the raw old school cars better i think lol
I wish I could get my 11 minutes and 31 seconds back. This video is a complete waste of time. lol 😂
Many high end sports cars been doing this for years.
joe white Yeah I don’t like that lol. I definitely like the old school cars that are pure better 👌🏼
Wow thats garbage man fake sound disaster
Yeah pretty lame that the vast majority of the sounds are fake. I now have an AWE exhaust. Sounds amazing!
Fake supra fake engine noises. make sense.
I wouldn’t call it a fake Supra, it has a very healthy engine. And it’s not the only modern car that has that.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I would cause it's made by BMW a German company not Toyota. Like damn it's one thing for Toyota not to make it it's another thing for it to be not a Japanese company which takes away it's whole JDM appeal which is what the supra is classically known as.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed which also proves my point of why modern cars are becoming less and less appealing which is why Ill stick with the 90s and early 2000s cars with an a few exceptions here and there. Which I don't completely blame the car companies I know they're just obeying the rulers of our overbearing authoratian goverment with their ridiculous EPA rules but that's another discussion for another day lol
@@marioandultrachap yeah. It’s still a fantastic car tho! Such a benchmark car to be honest. But Toyota developed the car just as much as BMW. They just didn’t physically build it
@@marioandultrachap yeah some new cars are getting a bit numb. Still some good ones tho!
Fake Miata on steroids
Not really lol. It's like a hard top person of a Miata but with a wayyy faster engine. And is a refined car. So it's a big boy version of a Miata
@@BrosFOURRSpeed
Lol still not a Supra
@@canadianloon6433 Have you driven a new Supra? Especially one with FBO? Great car and it's a modern version of how Toyota could justify building a low volume sportscar ;)
@@BrosFOURRSpeed
I'm not in to racing or handling.
I live in Toronto Canada and everything is straight.
I do like power from the start and that's why I own a Lexus RCF
Decent torque for on-ramp fun.
I do totally get your point that it would be a good fun handling machine.
The looks are way too busy.
Not that my RCF isn't busy but not as busy.
You're truly a bro indeed. I've owned a 2014 c63, naturally aspirator, 2017 c63 s with the same valve opening button concept as the Supra. Both cars had a growl like no other, but the Supra has a sound all of its own. I now own a Supra a91 edition. It sounds just the same outside the car as it does inside. How do I know? I've had it on a dyno and used a decibel meter both inside and outside the care. The outside is definitely louder, but just to be clear the valve opening is about performance on BMWs and not sound. Also, the piping of sound in the cockpit is nothing new for plenty of car companies. Today's turbo engines can lose sound completely at high rates of speed so a lot of companies use the sound to aid the driver in shifting, so it's not a gimmick it's a feature, but you have to be a true enthusiast to understand. Also, who puts red rims on a car.
Actually the valve doesn't add any power. I had my car on the dyno and we did normal mode vs sport mode. They both make the exact same power. I think the valve here is to just help the pops be louder in the stock configuration. My car is now FBO with the Magnaflow active exhaust. Sounds amazing!
And I do... I put red wheels on my car. The beautiful thing in life is. You can do what you want with your own car. If you don't like red wheels, then don't do it to your car ;)
@@BrosFOURRSpeed We could keep this going, but my dyno test gave me different results...Good luck with the car.
@@userseattleregion th-cam.com/video/DJ3BiVcXXcg/w-d-xo.html
Intersting. Here's my car stock on the dyno.
And here's after adding the downpipe and then tune. th-cam.com/video/smaXu4MmDIA/w-d-xo.html
The "active exhaust" on the Supra is definitely a cheesy gimmick but I doubt most buyers will ever take the time to take a close look at it like you did and will never realize that it's fake. Excellent and informative video!
Mark Knox It absolutely prevents drone on highway & I’ve made exhaust difference video on my channel.
CarGuy11 Do you have the Bimmer Code App? Because if you have the Active Sound enabled, you’ll hear the drone in sport mode. But it’s fake. Just speaker sound
Mark Knox Yeah you would think ppl buying this car are enthusiasts and would care lol
Bros FOURR Speed I sure do & told you about the fake sound. You were coasting on highway so of course you didn’t hear drone 🤦♂️
CarGuy11 Still if the vast majority of the sound comes from speakers. It’s a fake valve 😅
I think this Is Ridiculous Toyota should be Shame of themself , smh
Darrion Tunstall you can’t really blame Toyota for this. The sound through speaker is called bmw active sound. BMW uses it on allot of their vehicles. And in case you missed it, the mk5 Supra is based on the BMW Z4.
@@electrikoptik ok
Unfortunately it’s a BMW and that is a standard BMW gimmick! Toyota had very little to do with this car except for the clothes it wears.
it's interesting that BMW's clear platform came out the same time as the Toyota global architecture platform which was 2015, so I'm pretty sure Toyota had some input in clar platform as both Toyota and BMW co-developed the platform for the z4 and dr supra and was done before 2015 www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/060115/who-are-bmws-main-suppliers.asp
and both the z4 and supra are built by Magna International