Japanese Arcades are on Another Level
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"Like They Just Don't Care" i know you can't resist to say that line Garntz
Lol I thought the use of gloves was so it wasn’t so abrasive when hands rub against plastic. I played a few rhythm games and the hands move faster when bare skin isn’t rubbing against the surface.
yea it’s for that too, as a maimai player i can tell you if you don’t wear gloves you will tear your skin
playing wacca for the first time i was like "do i really need gloves? seriously?" after a song i was like "bro give me those damn gloves my hands are on fire" LOL
@@mug1wara262 Your a MaiMai player too?
@@salaz4947 u too?
@@scarletttruffle7506 Of course Sega and Round 1was my second home in Okinawa Japan.
Joey: Does a video about Japanese arcades
Rhythm Game Community: *We have been summoned*
*Edit: I just edited the way it looked lol
all of the people here that are new to the concept is great
either way for those who havent played any round1 arcades are a great choice if you wanna try the games in america
and if you want to really get into them and arent near them as i am
but a controller and play on pc. its a tad bit expensive but i still recommend it
To everyone who want to enter a japanese arcade, here is a tip from my experience. It is so fking overwhelming. People who usually play there are more than "hey this is fun" level. They are, like, "hardcore serious competitive" level, and you don't want to mess with them. So prepare yourself if you wanna go there and play something.
As long as you're polite and stuff they're still treating the entire arcade as public place. If you're good enough or your username is recognized you might get some greetings from them :p
they're intimidating but most of the rhythm game community is super welcoming and are willing to help new players with setting stuff up, giving tips, etc. as long as you're not yelling at them mid-set or doing something stupid it's fine. just go up and play your set and don't worry about playing with high level players around cause honestly they couldn't care less, they're probably on their phone just waiting to get their next set in lol.
Or Just look for open spaces?
It really helps to know which specific game you wanna try and just focus yourself on that game the entire time
Once you're done, maybe go try the other games
Lol, on my first games in a Tekken arcade machine, I button mash and try to look bad so when someone wants to play against me I disrespect them so bad like picking randomly or real shit-tier character and I perfect at least 2 rounds against them. Some dudes were serious enough to drop a shit ton of cash just to get back at me so it wqs pretty entertaining.
Japanese rhythm games are notoriously hard to get into, so this is a list of all the games they mentioned
beatmania IIDX (7 button +1 DJ)
sound voltex (turn the knobs and stuff)
chunithm (time to put on those gloves)
mai mai (the gloves picture shown)
WACCA (big circle of sensors, also co created by hardcore tano*c)
Nostalgia (the piano one)
Taiko no Tatsujin (taiko drum)
groove coaster (the one with megalovania)
jubeat (the cube where you tap the squares)
DDR
Guitar hero / Rock band
some of these are avaliable in the states (mainly in round 1's but it depends.) and there are many, many more than what i've listed. a lot of them are fun to casually play, or get heavily invested in. Anyway, welcome to rhythm game hell, i hope you enjoy your trip down the rabbit hole.
Edit: comments suggest some other rhythm games, and also some corrections
Pop'n music (9 buttons?!?!?)
Gitadora (rock band but arcade style)
Dancerush stardom (DDR but more fun)
Also
Pump it up (5 panel DDR)
Museca (bemani 5 button game)
Reflec beat (kinda dead bemani game)
Project diva (vocaloid rhythm game series)
That's all the big ones. (I think)
I played jubeat and sound voltex vivid wave already
Difficulty 11 is kinda easy for now
Iidx is 7 button+1, no one considers the scratch as a button, but ya its 7k+1
They didnt even mention popn music which is actually 9 button
Also literally nothing is available in Canada so oh well... in canada we have like, ddr in major cities, if that, which sucks ass
Guitar hero / rock band is an American thing which was inspired by GuitarFreaks/DrumMania, BEMANI series games (DDR, IIDX, SDVX, pop’n, etc) which would then be later turned into what’s now known as GITADORA, which is also spilt into two cabinets (basically a deluxe version of old GFDM with more inputs, larger cabinets, HD etc)
Spending 400 bucks on Astolfo or spending 400 bucks in a Japanese arcade: What is more fun? :-P
How about... spending 800 dollars on both? 🧐🧐
Spending 400$ on Astolfo in Fate Arcade is the ultimate experience
Spending 400$ on gatcha machines
Jazz wait till saber Astolfo was available in NA and watch Gigguk spend double that.
Or even a limited edition version of Astolfo
It’s really stressful when people are watching you play in an arcade. At my local arcade in California, they implemented Japanese rhythm games like nostalgia, groove coaster, etc. I got addicted to groove coaster and picked up the game pretty fast so that I could play the hardest difficulty on any song. I swear there were so many people crowding around me that eventually I wasn’t sure whether I looked like an idiot or people were actually impressed.
Probably both.
1:34 The picture is Beatmania IIDX but I believe Joey was describing Sound Voltex because Sound Voltex 6 buttons and knobs while IIDX has 7 buttons + turntable.
2:40 The picture is Maimai not chunithm
This hurt me
Here comes the rhythm game boys wanting them n-0 data
As a rhythm game player I never judge players that "suck", we all start somewhere!
"like they just dont care".... Just had to know what Gigguk said lol
"That's when the gloves come in _handy"_
I see what you did there Joey.
While Japanese arcades are next level, some of us got a taste of them in the States. Growing up my local arcade (in the 90s) had Japanese cabinets. Then there was Arcade Infinity in Rowland Heights was just Japanese games and now We've even got Round 1 here. While the Round 1 centers here are not as big as the ones I've been to in Japan, we get beer at them here which is a huge plus lol With that said, everytime I visit Japan, I spend A HUGE amount of time in arcades. I love the Gundam VS games, so I go around and hitup different arcades around Japan and see which place I had the most difficulty playing in xD
Oh my god I miss Arcade Infinity...!! I still have their tokens...
Now... I just gotta deal with R1 unless I’m lucky finding indie arcades...
Ah, Have you ever been to Fighting Game locals
I wish Round 1 would bring more of the JP arcade machines to their US locations - namely the idol games though FGO & Azur Lane machines should get imported too.
@@AnimeGamer0 Round One is a step in the right direction, as it's meant to be a step up from local arcades without completely inundating the senses. I mean, their target audience finds UFO catchers mind blowing, they can't throw off the balance too much.
I remember going to this bowling ally and their arcade had a good handful of japanese games such as Virtual-On, F-Zero, and this bus simluator I forgot the name of. And also, I wish there was a Gundam arcade game in the west
Japanese arcades are intimidating as hell...I've played sports in front of thousands of people and have to be the spokesperson for my company but nothing has made me feel more inadequate than walking into a Japanese arcade and seeing some teenage girl absolutely destroying some rhythm game that looks so complicated I wouldn't even know how to start playing it.
I kind of can see Connor getting hooked on arcade fighting/pvp games like some tekken, SF, or GVS
Trash taste and trash taste highlight are both rising real fast, last week i remembered that this channel only had 80k subs, but rn its already around 100k subs
whadya expect lad, its 3 different youtubers with over a mil subs each collaborating for a podcast, its gonna get alot of views and subs
this reminded me of a classmate i had in college where after all our classes ended he would go to the mall arcade just to play ddr for hours.. and i would see him nail the game like S tier... and i would know he was there for so long because he was so sweaty that his shirt was drenched in sweat .. and i was thinking " dude the mall and arcade has an AC but it looked like you just finished working out on a gym. "
and i always thought he was so cool....
Im surprised they didn't mention the vocaloid one, thoes one are insane.
So true! I have Project Diva Arcade: Future Tone on the PS4 and extreme mode is literal hell😂 Even though it is so difficult it’s still so incredible, though, especially its (chef’s kiss) top tier visuals👌✨
Ahhhh intense singing in maimai IS HELL
Maximus Zen I’ll have to watch that now, that sounds so awesome! If you haven’t yet you should definitely watch the Project Diva Future Tone one... imagine having to coordinate not only the speed that you tap the notes with, but also having to sight read whether the button to press is the square, circle, triangle, or x 😂
@@Lemieux_channel I seen it in project diva ( I forgot which one) in psp, it was hell
MaiMai better.
4:32 THAT'S WHERE THE GLOVES COME IN, CONNOR. It's to prevent your fingers from burning due to the friction 😂
Maimai, Chunithm, and WACCA need gloves because of the amount of sliding you have to do
I'm not entirely sure about CHUNITHM. I think you can at least get by without gloves.
Source: I primarily play 11s and 12s and have forgotten my gloves a number of times.
After my first game of Maimai that’s when I went looking for my old gloves I got for a cosplay I mistakenly bought
Sees them talking about Japanese arcades. Me, a fighting game player: They have to talk about one ArcSys game right??? RIGHT!?!?!?!?
ArcSys have arcade machines?
@@Jono997 most Japanese fighting games start out as an arcade release, Then get ported over to console later. This was the thought process until recently at least. P4U2, BBCF, GG Xrd, heck UNIB was arcade only till UNIEL. And countless other indie fighting game companies would initially put their games in arcades to gauge interest and then port them over to console or PC. That was how it was for a long time. ArcSys has only recently bumped that trend with BBTag not even coming out on arcades until I think a year after console release and Strive had a joint console/arcade release because of the console betas and arcade location tests. ArcSys and several other companies used the NesicaXLive platform for their games in arcades. I think it is now outdated and they use something different now but I’m unsure of that.
One of five podcasts that I can watch in their entirety!
love u guys ^*^
What other podcast do you enjoy?
@@ionescustefan295 tbh there is a few in my language that I really like!but in English I like SCP stuff, scary stories by "snarlet" and in the past i liked "BroKen podcasts"
Memory cards r no joke if I even thought of that while in the Philippines in initial D I’d hav a fully decked out gtr by now 😤😭
Arcades are my #1 favorite thing about Japan. That pod-based Gundam battle shit is my jaaaam
I so need to play that
Every time I go to Japan I always hit up the Initial D machines. I think I'v spent easily over 10,000jpy each yearly trip on it alone. I also have every card of course.
deepest regret of my life
Oh shit yeah...they have those Initial D machines in our arcades in Malaysia...i remember me and my father used to play the f out of it😂😂cuz we love the manga/anime and drift
"I Spent $1000 on Fate Arcade "
I've only been to the local arcade once.
It has an entry fee of ~$20 (you have to book in advance) and it's completely free to play anything.
I had played maybe two or three sessions of Groove Coaster before a friend I was there with went up to one of the machines with a NESiCA card and I got curious where he got one of those, and he told me they sell them at the front desk. So I went and bought one so I could save all my progress and get a more personalized experience while playing GC.
Entry fee (as stated above): ~$20
IC card (they have both NESiCA and e-amusent): ~$10 per card
Oh, and the arcade also have Jubeat and Sound Voltex, hence why they also sell e-amusent cards.
In terms of other music games, the arcade also has MaiMai Finale, Dancing Stage SuperNova and Gitadora.
The rest of their games are like flippers, some shooters, racing and fighting games.
Stop giving me more reasons to move to japan!
Shitty work culture, terrible bureaucracy, xenophobia
@@youraveragepasser-by7367 it sounds like a great place to travel to unlike china
Your Average Passer-By worth it
@Mr Doggo fake
Isnt even in top 5
Go check sources
@@bjornthefellhanded815 traveling is great, but think hard before deciding to move there
I played Groovecoaster and about 2 minutes in my brain did a factory reset and I've never been the same since.
The closest thing we got at my local arcade was this mega piano tiles game where you slap giant piano keys to hit falling piano notes to a song. It was pretty fun and no one really played it so I usually spend all day on it getting a shit ton of tickets. I’ve played the PS4 of that taiko game before and it’s v e r y addicting, I’ve played on an actual taiko at school and always wanted to just go really fast on it
Actually just played WACCA for the first time the other day, the closest Round1 (Arcade/Bowling/Karaoke Hybrid) to me had it, super fun game
Same here at game nest still gotta check out the rest of the playlist
I am so excited to hear these guys talking about rhythm games, genuinely my favourite part of Japanese arcades
to trash taste : make a challenge video for rhythm arcade games, please? (i recommend maimai or groove coaster, cause a lot of people said it is for the newcomer of rhythm games)
I spent a lot of hours into the initial d arcade machines. The funny thing was when I actually took the driver license, the game helped me with the new driver fear that I had. I have more confidence behind the wheel thanks to that arcade.
Those memory cards are no joke
MaiMa is the greatest Game from a Japanese arcade. It was shown at 2:42.
I still have my gloves
Next to wacca
@@matthew_natividad Before Wacca
In Victoria, you basically have two options. Go to Melbourne and play there, or give up
I go at least once a month on a 2 hour train ride just to get to these wonderful places where I can play 2-3 hours of rythm games
Assuming there's no crowd
And also assuming you want to play Taiko no Tatsujin, Maimai or that one where you dance on a lit floorboard (not ddr)
Worth it every time
Have any of you three played Project Diva? It was a literal life changing experience for me😂 Especially the visuals, with the fact that all the songs have a music video, either the official one from NicoNico Douga or an entirely new, 3d rendered one for the game. It’s really cool!☺️
About the card connection to the machines in the US, the progress is saved across regions as long as they are connected to their respective network, e.g. if you got a score on jubeat in Japan, that score will be loaded on an eamusement (Bemani’s score hosting system)-connected jubeat machine in the US, same with games like DDR, Sound Voltex, beatmania IIDX and a couple others. Unsure about others though.
Japanese Arcades: Yes. But nothing compares to Galloping Ghost Arcade in Brookfield, Illinois.
Yeah, i just spend almost $150+ just to play 3-5 minute session in WMMT5DX+, Just to get continuous 60 wins in story for all Tachometer for 1 car. And now, i never play the WMMT6R because the price per play is too expensive, even with budget cabinet one.
i really want IDAS 0 Ver.2 in Indonesia, even though it's a hard game to learn.
That circular rhythm game Gigguk mentioned is a ton of fun. I saw a dude playing it at an arcade and he was INCREDIBLE
I WANNA GO TO THEM ARCADES. MY FIGHTING GAME HEART IS CALLING ME
God playing fighting games in a Japanese arcade is the dream (tryna get my third strike in)
I miss arcades so much 😭
Me: **immediately goes and play arcaea because of insecurity**
Same. Especially when all of the arcades are closed now
*Cries due to quarantine*
4:23 reminds me of Regular Show with the synth music battle😮
Meanwhile me:
Really wants to play Dancerush stardom...
I've tried it several times
Once you swallow your pride a bit because you might look a bit silly playing it, you'll absolutely love it.
You also break a bit of sweat playing it too; once you're on the higher levels, you're constantly shuffling and going side to side. It's awesome 🔥
I got to play it this past year at MAGFest in MD, it's just as fun as you imagined it
@@vianhoho19 yeah its hella fun
god it looks so fun wish i played it pre pandemic D:
Man like for real at first i was loving DJMAX technika since i played the mobile version. Man the timing and patterns were so much different. I still loved it.
Since that era is over i now had to move on to sound voltex. Competitive SDVX looks fucking insane especially when does 666 on the hardest level. It's literally a boss song.
I only watch the highlights on TH-cam lmao
Well ofc, where else would you watch them, hanime.tv?
N DiT don’t they stream it somewhere else? It’s called highlights for a reason
Autumn Leaf the entire podcast is on the Trash Taste main channel
@@autumnleaf8907 They upload it to both youtube and spotify, but i think they probably get more views on youtube. The channel is called "Trash Taste", but this is where they post clips from their youtube channel.
Tbh, they should* stream these live. I don't mind some loss of audio quality if it means we can watch and talk live in chat.
The only arcades in America are either show biz type pizza joints (ie. Chuck e Cheese, Dave & Busters, Shakey's, etc.) or burger joints like the one near my house where there's at most 3 or 4 machines. So basically the arcade era died out in my part of the world
Shoutout to Galloping Ghost in Illinois that didn’t die with the other arcades
I mean... even in Japan the arcades they have are still doing well are big name amusement companies like Round1 or Sega. Smaller arcades and mom & pop convenience stores with cab or two are becoming a thing of the past there as well, especially with the added cost and infrastructure needed for newer arcade games.
guess there's no round1 around or even a dave and busters around you? that's where almost all the american rhythm game community get their fix apart from the private owners renting their machines out.
@@dylanracho3536they not have the rarest arcades in stores, but also unreleased ones like rc squared, bandit, beavis and butthead, trog prototype, primal rage 2
1:58
These days, at least in my eyes, the rhythm game community around Australia is steadily growing again with arcades here implementing more rhythm games (DDR, SDVX, IIDX, Nostalgia, MaiMai, GitaDora to name a few)
It's funny because I always wondered why in Japan there wasn't a big gaming scene online. Turns out I was looking in the wrong area and it was all in the arcades. The Sega arcades are next level amazing, blew almost 10,000 yen during my time there.
I used to visit the Round 1 in Denver, CO and it always had the best variety of rhythm games of any arcade I had been to up till then. I couldn't figure out why until I started working there and found out the company is based in Japan. As someone whose been playing rhythm games for almost 20 years, the idea for the cards as a save system for your progress makes so much sense on paper but trying to explain to little Timmy and his mom why they need to pay 3 dollars for a card to "continue playing" is the most frustrating thing. I wish the idea had caught on State-side.
South east asian arcades are like miniature japanese ones
Mostly cause like 90% of the arcade games are imported from japan
Something weird about indonesian arcades specifically though is that, for some reason, they always have like this karaoke section and I have no idea if anyone actually uses them for actual karaoke
Other neat things about south east asian arcades include how one of my local arcades had a 4d movie section and a miniature bumper car section, or one of the big ones in singapore had this massive selection of crane games with stuff like pokemon and hello kitty
(They also imported the bishi bashi arcade game and that game slaps, 10/10 would recommend anyone play the bishi bashi arcade game with friends)
Best arcade games
-Wangan MMT series
-Danz Base
-Mai-Mai
-Groove Coaster
-Dj Max Technika (fkin hard)
-Taiko no Tatsujin
I LOVE arcades, I’m lucky, in my city in the U.K. we have 4 arcades on piers as I live near the sea
10:39 weird flex but ok
There was an arcade in a mall in my hometown, that had 2 DDR machines. Now, I actually love DDR and used to have a DDR pad at home for my PS2. But I'd come to the arcade, and there would be these kids who would get on the machines and dance backwards. Like, they'd jump around, not even looking at the screen, they would be turned away from the screen at some points. And they'd get perfect or near-perfect scores.
How many fucking times do you need to do a song to be able to do it _backwards_ and still pass?
Does trash taste highlights reply to comments?
nope sorry lad, this accounts ran by there editor for trash taste
@@petrolmonkey1973 fake
Ah a good day to watch the highlight about Bemani and Japanese arcade rhythm games.... 😂
KyuuuTeees? Is that getting an Oscar Nomination as well?
Arcades
It works here in the US. A friend of mine visited Japan and played a fuck ton of midnight wangan and when he came back and went to an arcade that had the same game his progress on his bandai card worked and brought over his cars.
Maimai Players: *GLOVE MODE ON*
Legit, I spent almost $20-40 a day in the japanese arcade.. maimai!pink is my jam. i even bought gloves from daiso after 2 days....
No matter where u are or how many years its been, undertale is somewhere out there being mentioned and its keeping the nostalgia strong...love that💯
I've been wanting to try FGO arcade since it's released man, wish I can go to Japan.
I love watching people play rhythm games on TH-cam. I don't know the names in English so I only follow a few small channels, but there all Japanese & so entraining to watch.
"I Spent $1000 on Fate Arcade "
1:32 Joeys actually describing SDVX/Sound Voltex....the image is Beatmania....lols....beatmania is OG tho...
For me, the rhythm game that I think I'm at least good at is Maimai. Tho, playing maimai for hours still hurts my hands even with gloves on and the wrist pain after I finish playing is... can't even explain that.
Especially disappearance of hatsune miku right XD
I can't do any lv 13 or above, that's my limit
10:33
The con would have to go through a lot of legal sht if they were to get actual cabs+readers for a con
For those of you unaware, we have many Round1s in the states now with almost all the games they mentioned.
I'm a pianist and rhythm game player, and the reason why people may "unnecessarily" lift their hands in the air or do weird moves is because it makes your moves flow more naturally, making you feel more immersed in the music and making you perform better. Keeping stiff and just activating the buttons is what you may do when playing first time, but there's no flow in that, and the act of pushing down a button and then lifting it in an undefined manner kind of distracts you from the rhythm. But when you get better and more comfortable with the game, it helps a lot to make it into a kind of dance, bouncing from one note to the next one. Accenting certain notes with unnecessary movements makes it easier to digest and stay in rhythm and put it into your muscle memory.
1:32
he's talking bout two different games here, IIDX and SDVX lmao
For the 6 boutons things , it was sound voltex not the thing you showed x)
Me, a no glove player on WACCA: Ever heard of nails
When they said chunithium and there was a picture of maimai it hurt me so hard
Okay but joeys shirt is everything
when it comes to "feeling like a DJ" beatmania has been a thing for a looong time, also is rhythm games all they talked about?, what about the platformers, fighting games, racing games (intial d intensifies) and shmups? (omg the bullet hell shmups)
Yep rythm
The biggest profit-maker for japanese arcade games are mostly rhythm and racing games, so it make sense for them to talk about it only.
Initial D and Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune is probably the two biggest racing arcade games now
The latter probably has a bigger contribution because it's more widely available AFAIK compared to Initial D
I have a friend who literally just wants to go to Japan (Asia also works for him) for the arcades. It's his life dream
hand over the arcades Trash Taste Podcast
Whenever I go to a Round 1 in the US, I usually hang out at the rhythm games area. I mostly play DDR and SDVX. I sometimes play Dance Rush, and Wacca. Groove Coaster I rarely play, but it's still fun. I might try to get into IIDX at some point. My Round 1 that I go to has only half of the games they have mentioned. Japanese Arcades has all the good stuff.
Good luck getting into IIDX. If you want to get really good at it, then practice for years.
The only arcade in America that is remotely like a Japanese arcade is RoundOne, which also happens to be a Japanese company. Luckily, there are two locations in my area and they have a couple of locations in the USA. They had all the Japanese music rhythm games like Groove Coaster, Sound Voltex, and MUSECA. Even had the tableflip machine they were talking about.
Indeed I'd love to go to Round 1. Now I see is Redemption and other Ticket machine stuff.. (I'm from Burma and I've played several Japanese Arcade games in my local recreation centres)
Played beatmania at one of the state border hotel's arcade on the way to Las Vegas as a kid. It blew my mind
10:00
and now they got Undertale on Taiko too
love playing jubeat
I want to play rhythm games at the arcade with these guys so I can watch their awkward movements
Trash taste arcade tournament arc?
My man joey be wearing a miu iruma shirt, respect
looks like garnt is a supporter of the new netflix show cuties
when i lived in japan,, we could use a mobile phone as a tap card (felica) for these rhythm games (i don't remember but we could use it with ユービト）
Oh yes, Japanese Arcades especially Sound Voltex. A long-term suffering after falling into that rabbit hole.
ROUND 1! Google it if you want to play fully funtioning Japanese arcade machines in America! The profile cards (NESiCA and Konami's e-Amusement) work and are sold there! KEEP ARCADES ALIVE!
Blew 400 bucks on maimai in the summer back than and I dont regret it at all
Waka is the arcade version of a rhythm game on mobile. Its called lanota and its a lot of fun same thing like how you guys describe it but with your fingers.
Jubeat is my absolute fav rhythm game
I've played all of the ones mentioned apart from groove coaster, and I suck at all of them haha I do have some rhythm games though that I love: the hatsune miku ones, deemo and voez
The cube hitting one is called Jubeat
In all these days.... Levi is just sitting there with his sword..... Waiting..... For them drop something on the floor
I hope they went to an arcade after this convo
This whole video I was just thinking about how much I would love to play Taiko no Tatsujin in an actual arcade and then Connor called it out!
DJ Max Technika is my jam, too bad they didn't make it anymore and the servers are dead.
Hey, I bring arcades to cons, actually. I do a con in DC but it's a gaming con so probably not one you went to (I imagine you went to Katsucon). Was hoping to add some rhythm games to my lineup but then this whole "global situation" happened. Got plenty of Japanese machines though.
The cube game you are thinking of is JuBeat, by the way. As for Nesica cards working, probably not, but I know that with like Initial D cards and probably others as well, the data is saved on the card itself so you can use it on machines at cons.
I mean... good luck. Older music game cabs are getting harder and harder to find, and the newer cabs/games need access to their respective 'network' to even work.
@@pkakira88 I know all the right folks to get the hacked versions, though. I wouldn't bother getting one unless I knew it could be played. These things get hacked astronomically fast, it's a pretty safe bet that by the time I can afford it, it's been hacked for years.