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- Is the CRF450L worth double the price of the CRF250L? We put my bike and my dads side by side and go through the features that we think are worth extra on the 450L. But can we justify all of the cost? If you enjoyed this video please don't forget to subscribe!
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Would love to see you remake this video comparing/justifying price between the new CRF300L and CRF450RL!
My dad is eyeing that new 300...man I'd love it if he bought it!
The one guy I know of that has one (in Asia) loves it.
I agree. I’m ready to purchase either the 300 or the 450 and would love to see an honest comparison versus the cost of both bikes. While the 450 is better in pretty much every category except for the display, is it really worth almost twice the money?
@@jkabee Not every category, a big take away I got is 250L made with much stronger consideration to the road. A true DS while 450l is pretty much pretty much a dirt bike with turn signals and just the slightest bit of dampening. Based on what I've read about the 300l especially 300l rally seems like it's even more the case now.
Great video. Just bought a 450L. I am so stoked with it! Couldnt be happier with my purchase!
Came back to watch again. Great vid.
great comparison ive been waiting on this video
plenty of educational details for first time biker,
thanks so much.
As always great content keep it up
Wow exactly what I’ve been looking for, complete in-depth comparison and fantastic review, answered a lot of questions. Thank you for the upload my friend, ATB From the UK 🇬🇧👍🏽
I am glad it helped out! They are both great. I am lucky to have access to both
I had a hunch the 250L was the bike for me and your comparison confirmed that. I am closer to your dad in height and age and I have not owned a dirt bike for 40 years, but I have dabbled on friends bikes. I'm a passionate snowmobiler and looking forward to getting back in the game with a summer toy. Thanks again.
It really is an amazing bike. It can go anywhere, runs forever, good mpg, cheap to own....etc You won't regret it
Great summation of facts n figures. Just bought a 2019 CRF250L, absolutely love it. With some small simple upgrades (not even expensive), it's a great bike.
Glad it was helpful! The 250l is an amazing bike for the dollar....and it runs forever!
What upgrade have you
Done to it??
Is the crf250l your first bike?
How much?
KLX 250 IS A CUT ABOVE THE CRF 250
Wow what a awesome channel, definitely the best comparison on the net .
Good work guys .
Thank you! I really appreciate that. This video and the one I recently did on the 450 vs 650 were ones I spent time doing homework on them because I was hoping to make them good tools for everyone for a long time. Especially since Honda doesn’t change stuff often!
Great job. Love the concept of how you made the comparison.
Thank you I am working on a 450l vs 650l video that should be out this weekend. Then we will have looked at all of Honda’s dual sports
Great job! Nice review 👍
Thank you for this video. I needed the comparison
Great Video! I think you took a really good approach and hit it spot on!
Thank you! I really tried to be fair on the different points and how they are different for everyone
Man that was super. Very thorough
Thank you! Just about have my Xr650l comparison ready to go as well
Outstanding diction, factual content, insights and explanations from a guy who’s “just a Dad” (I say this in good spirits) doing this in his garage. Best Honda Dual Sport review video I’ve seen ever. Most videos are a guy dropping meh jokes & Press Release memos while driving a dealer loaner bike for 20 miles wearing a GoPro on his helmet. This effort is solid. Loved your 450 vs 650 comparo too. A newbie finds it impossible to understand the differences based on surfing Honda’s website. Wish you could produce more comparo videos. 😎👍🏼🏍
Thank you! I really enjoyed doing this video and the other one. It was a lot of years of use and experience that I was able to share here. Nothing like actually owning it. Over time I hope to get to move onto some adventure bikes as well. My current bike isn’t going anywhere but I would love to have something heavier for street use. Plus it would be fun to compare them! 😉
great comparison.. great review..
Thank you!
In the market for the 450L and this vid was very helpful.
Great video! Thanks for posting.
Thank you!
Don't forget the Renthal bars on the 450 versus the steelies on the 250. Great video!
Brilliant review, thanks for your time
Thank you!
Great, great review, just what I was looking for, thank you. I think the maintenance cost is a big issue here as many owners will be doing half their riding distance to get to somewhere they can ride off road. Not a criticism just a comment. Again thank you, the best video of its kind I've seen.
Thank you! I have a tendency to over research stuff so since I was lucky enough to get to use both I wanted to try and answer all the questions I would have without getting to ride them. I am working on doing a video comparing my brother in laws 650 to the 450 but the weather keeps dropping so it’s a few weeks out but I am hoping to make that useful as well
Fantastic vid!
Thanks for your break down!
I’d probably put move value to the upgraded suspension, as in what it would cost to upgrade the 250 to the stock 450’s.
That being said I really like the way you did this considering I’m trying to convince myself to spend more lol
Thank you for the video! Great info.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have a 17 CRF250L and I love it. It is my first bike and it does all I want. I would like a little more low end torque, but at my skill level it is not an issue and mine had a sprocket change also. I ride mostly gravel roads and will be on forest roads exploring. Also at 5'9" and 170 it is a good fit, maybe even a bit too tall for me as I have short legs. It's a blast.
Nathan Hammontree Echo your sentiments. At 5’9” and under 150lbs, the bike is everything l need. The (minor) criticisms some people had on the L were corrected by Honda in the 2017 onwards.
We are spoiled for choice these days and always think we want more of everything. The grass is always greener etc. Love the bike as is.
You can regear to get some more torque.
Thoughtful analysis...thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Thanks great and serious report
Great video, good insite.
wow great video.. I just bought a 2020 250 and this put to rest some of my doubts about the difference
That’s a great break down of pricing..
great information great video I subscribed 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Awesome, glad you enjoyed it
I own both also, I picked up my 450 for 9,125$, a vortex ecu and full fmf and the 450 is a monster
How about 250l price u got?
Fantastic breakdown.
Thank you!
Your right suspension makes all the difference. I have the CRF250L, the suspension mods Racetech emulators and springs, Ohlins shock and spring out back did add another $1000.00 but honestly worth the cost. Would I have gone for the CRF450L if it were available in '17? Almost certainly, even at 5ft 8 in. I don't mind the power deficit, I've left that part stock. I love the mileage and service intervals but all in all I would like to have both in the garage. Nice comparison thank you
Great commentary.
Thank you!
Now a video 450L vs 300L!!!😁😁😁
Excellent review and comparison. I still like the 250L better. Long maintenance intervals and reliability, along with decent trail and street manners, and a very good price, do it for me.
I’d love to test the Wr250r but the crf250l is one of the best values on two wheels out there!
@@DadsDomain Yeah I would like to check out a WR250R too, I know they are good bikes, kind of pricey, but the reliability and versatility is there.
Trevor Jameson
Me as well.👍
KLX 250 IS A CUT ABOVE THE CRF 250
amazing videos amazing!
Great review!!
Thank you!
Great work! Exactly the kind of comparison we've needed since launch.
Thanks! I hope it helps people for a few years since Honda probably won’t change anything for awhile
Great job! I'm considering the new CRF300L or RL versus the CRF450RL. Your video was VERY helpful. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I thought that was a fair comparison, well done. It’s like comparing a Formula One race car to a super car - not everyone needs a race car. Like you said, it all depends on the intended use. I used to ride a Yamaha WR450R and now I ride a 2016 Honda CRF250L and I absolutely love it. I have over 15,000 kilometres on it - maintenance has been minimal. I changed the stock rear sprocket with a JT 45 tooth sprocket and it made a MASSIVE difference. I’m merely relaying my experience; I'm not giving advice. With a good set of tires, it is a very capable bike - I ride with Yamaha’s and KTM’s. Perhaps another factor that you could have mentioned, is fuel economy; I get around 60 miles to a gallon of 91 octane.
Really good points. We are changing the gears on my dads soon. We did a mpg test and I got 61 and he got 63. Re doing it later but swapping bikes to see if the rider does much to it
@@DadsDomain - Thank you for the reply. From my research; if you change the front sprocket on the CRF250L from a 14 tooth to a 13 tooth, it wears the swing arm guard and eventually the swing arm far more quickly.
You're the man. Thank you.
No problem!
Thank you for the video ! I have the 2020 CRF- 250 LA . I found the 250 to be top heavy in corners ! Because it doesn't have enough power to come out of the corners is why it feels like this ! Really ' To make it more safe ' I'm going for the back sprocket but just 2 more teeth . Also gonna get power commander for under the seat for better mapping of the fuel , I also changed the big ugly muffler to a FMF end piece ! Now going to get the after market air cleaner so it will allow the bike more air ! Now remember i am going for logging roads & trails w/ my bike & not so much road riding ! I am doing these things to make my bike more playful . And if you feel like you don't want to be so high in the rear ' You can buy a shoter suspension arm & bring the bike down some & then bring your front forks down some too ! I have the anti lock brakes too but i have turned it off & have not tryed it yet . I hope this helps ! Thank you again for making this video ! You can always learn something too from these clips ! Love from Oregon !
Well done. I rode Honda dirt bikes for years and now want to get my son-in-law and grands interested. I will be the mechanic/paramedic/snack carrier for the group and the 250 will be perfect.
Hey we always need help out there! My brother in law crashed once at our ORV park and we were all alone while he had a broken color bone. Thankfully a nurse showed up and made a sling out of my jersey and helped us load and get out of there so I could take him to the hospital!
best review. thank you.
Thank you!
Very good video review - exactly what I was looking for. My decision is likely the CRF250L. Be careful out there. Thanks!
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Glad it was helpful!
I dont consider the 450l a dual sport. I consider it an enduro with turn signals
Jeff: you are spot on and the 450L cannot really be used as an everyday motorbike.
I dont consider the 250L a dualsport. I consider it a streetbike with dirtbike plastics
I feel what you saying Jeff, its a strange bike. I don't really consider it an enduro though. It couldn't compete with real race bred euro enduros. I think of it as more a trail/dual sport hybrid.
@@hrbestalkinme3690 and higher suspension
Loved the video and thank you. Much needed info in there for us first time buyers. By the way there is on for sale right now for $7499 on Craigslist brand new. So they claim.
Great video.
Thanks!
Thank you !
Great video and info.
I am ready to buy me a 250 and just put a desert tank and ride in baja . And not to worry for oil changes and valve adjustments. 450 reminds me of the banshee that i used to have . Lots of money for maintanance.
If you want to rack up the miles the 250 is great for sure
great review. I've been riding HDs for the last 30 years, now I want something fun and light. I'm so used to heavy and slow. The price isn't such an issue for me, but performance. I'm worried a 250 cc is just too small when my last bike was 96ci or close to 1700cc
Thanks for the comparison! The 450 looks really good! But I am probably more for the lower price and take the 250... :D
best comparison we could find
Glad to hear that considering how much content is there is out there!
Nice video! I have the 250L and my work colleague the 450 ... no doubt the 450 Is made really much better! The materials, Aluminium frame , screws and all is really made excellent. The 250 is made simple, Thailand manufactured, but is is a great bike for that price! Low service, flexibel, great HONDA quality and I decided to not change anything but sit, ride and have fun!
Of course the 450 is a competition bike and it is simply better! Still even the 250 can go off-road quite well and I say it’s lesser about the bike than about the rider! I’m a 250L fan and love the dual character!!! And recommend it for all beginners as well.
Great video it’s really detailed!! Thanks
Thank you! We will see if my dad lets me push bike at all this year. However now that I have my springs upgraded it’s going to start being an even bigger difference as I perform a few more upgrades
I liked your comparison, I did basically the same thing at the dealer. I'm glad I choose the 450L as I knew the 250L just wouldn't be enough for me.
I like to be off road way more than on road but like having the option. I have some land out of town and unload the bikes there and can ride to the trails in ten minutes.
I found out as has been mentioned that the tires are only good on the street. Where I ride there's lots of mud and those tires rot.
Getting a new set in a week or two. Also the bike ran like garbage for the 600 mile break in. It would flame out at random any time the throttle went to idle.
Upgraded the exhaust and my ecu is on the way. It could be just me but the seat is hard as a rock. I think i'll be getting one of those too.
My son last year bought a new husky 501, so it's been fun to ride together and compare.
The main difference I see between the two is, the husky is even more of a case where the bike is a race bike with street stuff tacked on. Their turn signals and instrument cluster
are lame. Once he power washed his bike and water got in the cluster and part of that quit working. No locking handlebars, the mirrors are a little large. The clutch seems smoother
than the honda though and I think it's lighter.
I like his suspension better but I haven't touched my as of yet. His also has a wider power band or gearing allowing you to stay in the gear you want longer when trail riding.
On my 450L I have to shift more often than I would like to have the power where I want it. I think I'll get some different sprockets and try that. Though the ecu may help with that.
The husky has quite a bit of vibration compared to the honda, after a long ride from the waist down you feel kinda numb.
After mine stalled in my first video it never did it again after I turned up the idle. And no its not you, the seat is a rock because its the same seat as the 450R. Its great you've gotten to ride the 501, I've been curious about that bike but I never regretted going with Honda. I don't like that we have to change the ECU and exhaust but once done I think its going to be an amazing machine that will last a long time. Until I get to ride something better I'm sticking with the assumption we picked the right bike!
I always find the bikes the magazines trash are the best bikes. The klx 250 kawi is a super comfy ride all day bike that rips on the road a d is decent on trails and it's at home on dirt roads. Modified, it really comes to life. It's a dog when new as it must break in and after several break in oil changes really starts to shine. I'm 64 and traded a 1200 cruiser in for this and it's a freaking blast.
Bert Tompkins Hi Bert, l’ve owned them all from Harleys to Fireblades and found the L a revelation. Had one for 2 years now and can’t see me moving it on.👍🏻
I scooped up a 2014 crf250l for 3300 today with 1400 miles..mint. So stoked.
Excellent, thats a great deal as those miles are nothing for that bike
Yup, great comments and perspective. These two only share that "L", they are as different as you have shown.
The way I see it, the 250L was the answer to modernizing the 230L while using their 250 engine's economy of scale, the 450L is an Enduro at heart which is smog legal. An interesting comparison would be against the KTM Dual Sport... Thanks for the great video.
I'd love to try a KTM dual sport some day. I rode a KTM a long time ago and I just remember it feeling really different. But I know they've changed a lot over the years
glad the piston skirt is longer I prefer reliable power
I have just purchased my second CRF 250L only because the first was so reliable. Compared to the bikes I grew up on, XL 250 and MT 250 the CRF is great. I have been riding for over 50 years and in my youth I would have wanted more, but at 61 it does exactly what I need. I ride in the Philippines and the bike sees off road duty daily in mud and very rocky terrain. All in all a great bike for light to medium off road use.
I think they are a fantastic bike and while the power might be a little low their ability to run forever makes it worth it
Nice video bro'
Thanks!
Nice comparison. Another thing to consider is the 250l is made in Thailand while the 450l is made in Japan. If someone wants something that's got a little more power than the 250l is the wr250r while not having to spend too much money. That's what I have currently and may upgrade to the 450l at some point
I didn’t know that good info. I know they have moved manufacturing of the 650l at least once
Actually the build quality of Honda in Thailand is very good. Honda basically build all motorbikes for the world market in Thailand under 650cc including the Honda Wave at 110cc to and including the twin 500's and 650 4 cylinders.
You should see the price of 250l spares in thailand....they're almost free! I fit a lot of 250l parts on my other bikes, im using a lot on my CR250
Thanks for the vedio! Let's just say I am closer to your dad's age. I had been looking at getting a Honda crf250f. The reason I liked the 250f was how basic it was, air cooled to name one thing. But after seeing your vedio. Why not pay $500 more and get water cooled, what looks to be better shocks and a head light. Plus the fact I can ride it on the street to get to where I want to ride. Only thing I see wanting to change is the rear tail light and lose the metal rack off the rear fender. I am so glad I saw your vedio! It's got me thinking!!
Brad Sizemore Ditto on the age front. I’ve had lots of bikes over the years from Harleys to Fireblades but bought a 2018 L new and have put 6k miles on it. I weigh 150lbs and am 5’9”. I kept the bike totally stock and that suits me just fine. All things considered, the L is a great bike and is a perfect fit for me.
just for the office US clip I give you a thumbs up
Yes! That clip is one of the all time greats
I really don't put the two bikes in the same category other than they are street legal, that's all the "L" signifies. The 250L is a solid reliable platform for everyday commuting with ease of use and friendly power delivery, The 450L is race bred with accomodations to make it street legal. They share no parts or design elements. there are quite a fair amount of parts that are CRF450L only not used on any other bike. That's a lot of tooling and manufacturing cost that will take the sale of a lotta 450Ls' to recoup.
They do have the same tires 😉 but yes you are right. They are completely different
@@DadsDomain yep, you got me on that one ! There are many dual sport categories theses days, The air cooled/damper rod suspension workhorse, The updated/modern water cooled USD forked, and the Enduro/MX derived. There are combinations of each mixed in between, we're pretty lucky to have these options available off the showroom floor.
Add a turbo to the 250 then it’d be perfect
I don't think a Turbo would be much good on an off road bike in reality.
What a great video choice?
Very interesting discussion.
As soon as you told me that the Honda CRF450L requires oil changes at 600, valve adjustment at 1,800 and engine rebuild at 20,000; that means that the Honda CRF450L cannot be used as an everyday motorbike (is purely a second motorbike) while the Honda CRF250L can be used as a working tool/commuter.
Your calculation regarding the US$2,000 for the power doesn't take into consideration the addition oil change costs at every 600 miles.
On the "Miscellaneous" I think only the $100 for the battery would be acceptable.
You did a good discussion convincing yourself that the CRF450L is worth the money and if you have the money to blow, then there is no reason not to buy it.
Totally agree that for a first bike for dual purpose is the CRF250L.
Well the Cr250r and the 500s used to say to rebuild at 8 hours, but reality was a few years. I was just talking to Wilson's in Madera Ca. and they claim 14.5k miles on a customer bike with 0 issues and still running strong.
I just got my new 2019 450l. This is a tall bike and will beat you up if you can't firmly touch the ground flat foot. I'm 5'10" and I get beat up on the trails, mostly on rocky hills with slow speed. No traction with stock enduro tire, she has slammed me to the ground a couple of times. I will buy the 1" lowering link to make it fit me better before any adjustments. Even thou it beats the crap out of me, I love it. Power, power, power = smiling. I'm still very happy. I will be changing tires asap. Most of my riding right now is dirt.
Throttle is on or off, no smoothness off the start you need to clutch most of the time when adding throttle close to a stand still. It's very snappy and again will beat you up. I have stalled it lots when riding tight single track trails that have hills. This is not an motorbike like a crf230, this is closer to a super moto with the wrong tires on it.
Hope this helps.
Thank you for doing your review, I enjoyed it. Keep rocking that bike dad, it'll keep ya feeling young.
I love seeing fathers and sons spending great time together, sharing common interests. All the very best to you both.
Would I buy it again?
Yup sure would.
I have been wondering if I want to get a tall seat for it. Never had one before but people recommend them for 6’2” and over. The vortex will fix the jerky ness of the throttle but for people with a lot of slow going I almost wonder how well a recluse would work? I might get one someday. If even just once to try them out. Glad to hear you are enjoying the bike. It is a great machine!
@@DadsDomain I'm 6'4'' and considering the 450L! Thoughts on a taller seat? Great video, thank you!
Brilliant ! You are bang on at wot you say about the little 250l for your dad and yes it must be fun to have lots more bhp like on the 450l but in england they have ruined peoples hopes of a good honda crf 450l because of the 24 bhp its got ! I would have put up with the service intervals on it ! But i think its still to expensive anyway .
I am hoping people over in England can figure out how to wake it up!
No doubt the 450 components justify the money. However, that still leaves those who want a reliable, low maintenance dual-sport with a 24hp 250 or a carb'd DRz.
The 450L engine is low maintenance, aside from oil change interval, which literaly takes 3 minutes.
G’day mate. Be watching your honest reviews of the Honda CRL250/450Ls. As a fellow returning rider which bike have you found easiest to live with & most enjoyable from a day to day use? As much as I like the power / price point of the 250, I feel I will be wanted for more power after 6-12 months. I have been riding on & off for nearly 40 years. My 12 & 10 year old boys are keen to start riding so was thinking a CRL110R for them?? We will most likely be doing MX track and formed trail riding. Plus I may do a little commuting. Anyway really enjoy your channel and appreciate any recommendations. Cheers Jimmy
I was looking at the 450L for a Supermoto = fun in the canyons and I'd need to lower it enough to fit in the garage section of a Sprinter Camper. Then I found out about the maintenance interval and of course the price. Yeah... for half the money and much less maintenance I think I'll still have plenty of fun on the 250L. I'm getting older, I don't care about getting the front wheel off the ground.
450l is worth every penny !
thank you
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I have a 2014 250l with 5.5k miles and would love to find a 8k deal on the 450l like yours! Nice one!
Thanks, I have no regrets for the price I paid.
My first bike was a 230L and it was lovely. There's no way I'll do that much oil change for a race engine.
I remember seeing a 230 at a dealer but we never road one
@@DadsDomain ...... rode one not road one :)
Something else that needs to be considered for the price (you know Honda considered this) is that it’s the only modern street legal 450 dirt bike from any of the Japanese big four manufacturers. I think if Yamaha were to come out with something similar the price of the 450L would drop a little bit.
I really hope they do. The WR450 is fantastic and there is no reason they couldn’t use that platform
Nice logical approach to pricing out the deltas. FYI-the 250L does have a catalytic converter. I have a 2017 250L and did the stage 1 power upgrade (FMF can, EJK tuner, 1 tooth smaller countershaft sprocket, aftermarket air filter). I also did the complete Racetech suspension upgrade (front spring and valves, new adjustable rear shock). In that I'm 5'6" (on a good day) with only a 30" inseam, any of the alternatives (WR250R, DRZ400, 650 anything...) are just too damn tall for real world comfort and useability by me. I'd be tipping over every darn day. Notwithstanding my past life of max power with an R1 street bike and a YZ456G desert sled back in the day for riding in the Mohave, Anza Borrego, and the national forests north of LA, the CRF250L is just an absolute joy to ride. Sure, it's underpowered and overweight; but it fires up with the touch of a button (every time!), is smooth as silk vibration and shifting wise, and has a great instrument layout with bar tach, digital speedo, and fuel gauge. I ride with a 1.75 gallon Rotopax aftermarket gas tank, which combined with the 2+ gallon stock tank and ~60 miles per gallon, gives me a totally safe fuel supply for those dual sport rides (like the MABDR) where there are some long gaps between available fuel. Lastly, I picked up my bike during winter (here in the Northeast) and both the dealer and Honda were discounting so I got the bike for $3,999. Sure, I pumped several grand into the upgrades, but it was fun learning about the options and installing them, and the seat heights of the alternatives simply precluded me from going with those choices. It's hard to explain why this bike is just so much fun, but it gives me the giggles both on country roads and mild off road like the BDRs. Again, you put together a nice video.
Was the tuner hard to dial in? I've heard it both ways and my dad isn't one to fiddle. He's tempted to do it but he isn't wanting to chase settings to get it right. Its easy to get lost in mods.....but they are fun!
@@DadsDomain EJK tuner was a piece of cake. It's delivered with a totally acceptable baseline setting. After using that for a while, I did some internet research (Thumper Talk) and came up with a change to 2 of the six settings. It took all of 2 minutes to reprogram. It could not be simpler. For what it's worth, here's the EJK stock settings and my updated settings. Main impact is to the idle setting, and it reduces the "popping" sound on throttle off situations. the last three settings establish the transition points. It'll be obvious if you look at the instructions (which are available on the EJK website). By the way, the EJK is strictly additive-you can't make it leaner than stock.
GRN YEL RED GRN/BLU YEL/BLU RED/BLU
Idl/Crz Accel Full Throt
EJK 3 4.5 4.5 5 4.5 4.5
Mine 2.5 4.5 4.5 4 3.5 4.5
Interesting video. You're comparing retail prices of course and we all know that Honda didn't pay anywhere near those numbers......so.....yeah, that's a heck of a mark-up.
Such a great review, I've been looking into getting a dual sport for a while.
Well Im 5.1' do y'all think I could ride a CRF 250l with a lowered seat maybe. Any other shorties having some info about that 🤔
heard its good for small people
I'm 5'4" with hrm maybe 28 inseam on a good day. I rode a CRF230 for a few years no problem. you get used to it. plus, if you drop it it's no big deal. if you want to make sure you can start with a suspension shop to help you lower it a couple of inches. That's what I did when I got my husqvarna.
Nice review. What i think is missing in your evaluation is the cost of maintenance for each. The 250 is a tractor, the 450 is much higher maintenance.
exactly
He mentioned that 450 maintenance cost way more..like oil changes between..
I never really rode a dirt bike (always rode quads) but I wanted to get on the street since I'm 20 with a motorcycle license and I've always wanted to ride trails/tracks on bike.. I'm just going to skip the 250l and jump right on the 450l and go from there (I just feel that I'll get bored of the 250l quickly). This is a huge change for me but I'm just gonna send it.
If you want to have that Off road power feel you're probably used to the 250l would not provide that. The 450l might feel like a bit much at first but you'll get there quickly
I would see the price of the different components of both bikes and then subtract the price of the cheaper one. Difficult to explain... for example: the suspension of the 450 ($3000) and 250L ($1600), so the difference would be $1400
II can tell you one reason the 450 is more expensive.
The 250 is made in Thailand with Thai labor and the 450 is made in Japan with Japanese ;labor which is more expensive.
Yeah, it's made in Japan and still need oil change every 10-15 hours of riding. And get split piston wall and crank case...etc Honda sells whatever overpriced piece of crap in the name of Honda reliability which is total BS. just look at africa twin, it's engine and chassis are as wet robust as toilet paper.
250L is an DualSport.... 450L is an EnduroBike....... Fact
very very nice video and superb comparsion
i drove both bikes and can tell everyone the 450l is not for the street... at higher speeds it gets very nervous, the throttle on/off/on/off behavior sucks on street, offroad its a great bike, superd suspension and very fast.
so please remember this when you decide which bike to buy and testride it !!! dont get blind because only of the power.
for me personaly Honda should have made a real DualSport .. an upgraded 250L with a durable smooth 450 engine thats what the most people was waiting for when they heard about a 450L would come...
The fastest I have taken the bike so far is a little over 65 and I was happy with how it did there. Its a good thing they lengthened it over the 450R. While I haven't ridden one I hear they're nervous at top speeds on a track
Agree. And only $1000 more then the 250L
After swapping the exhaust (which shaves a lot of weight too!), adding a programmer, better breathing air filter and changing the sprocket I LOVE my CRF250l and since I bought it used, I', into it for under $4000...I don't ride super fast tho....each to his/her own
seattle.craigslist.org/sno/mcd/d/mount-vernon-2019-honda-crf450l/7033482199.html prices are coming down....maybe I'll switch up!
I think my dad is getting closer to doing some power mods and the sprocket. I think he would be happy with them
What’s the rebuild cost of the 450l?
In the UK, we get a restricted 450L, so the power is not much different to the 250, although the torque is higher. Still not worth nearly twice the price unless you can get the derestriction kit thrown in for free.
Great review! Where did you purchase your bikes? I’m in the market.
We got them at westside motor sports in Spokane wa
Great informational video. I'm trying to make my mind up on these two bikes. I just can't seem to pick one. I'm 65 years old 6 feet tall 215 pounds. Still have not made up my mind...Also considering the Yamaha WR 250R
I wish I could ride the WR250R to help a little more. I've heard its a little more sporty, and I think taller, than the CRF250l. If you could find a dealer near you willing to let you ride them that would really help.
Get the CRF - 300 L.
I have an old school xr400 great bike sadly no push button, thought about the 250l as it has a doable price but I feel it would be lacking in power for my liking, would love a 450l but at a price of neer 15000 here in aus along with the maintenance the cost is just too much. for the cost of having to kick start il keep my xr and will be riding it long after the 450l has needed an engine rebuild or two. liked the comparison good job, thanks for the vid.
I was looking at bikes all summer. Saw a couple XR400s converted here for street that I was considering. I am glad I got the one I did but that’s a good bike!
The xr400's biggest downfall was the 5 speed transmission. Even the xr250r had 6 speed. And they even had the same ratios. So not easy to use the extra power. Not much good for over 50mph stock. The 250 was screaming at 60mph. 14/43 is nice for the road but (250) tops out around 93mph
I've seen a few with very low klms for 10K.
Is it possible to replace the plastic body and seat on the 250l with the 450l plastic?
As a new rider I think I’m going with the 250
I would definitely recommend it. It’s an amazing first bike but one of the rare ones that’s fun for almost any rider of any skill level.
Great video comparing the two with excellent logic to rationalise the hefty price of the 450 right up until you said "Dampening" which means making something slightly wet, so I'm sure you meant damping. All said and done there is still no justification for the L to be north of 9k
Ha! Honestly until someone calls you out on stuff like that you don't realize how you're saying it 😉
My 2015 250L definitely has a catalytic converter in the stock exhaust.
Yep I got that part wrong
I was considering the 450L but no more. Thanks for the review. It's just not what I am looking for. The 250L is almost it.
Excellent, its so hard to sometimes to give a fair comparison for everyone. Nothing beats seeing them in person but hopefully this takes a lot of research out of it for you!
I have a 450L with Vortex ECU & Yoshimura RS4 full exhaust and I love it, but it was expensive as sh*t. As my first ever bike however, it was rough to get used to. A 250L would've probably suited me better haha
Great methodology! Agree or disagree with the details, but your approach was excellent. Wonder if it would be worth it for Honda to base the CRF250L engine off the CBR300R instead of CBR250R?
I think the 50cc bump would be welcomed
I agree with most of your numbers but the Chassis. I for sure would spend more than $500 to get that gorgeous aluminum chassis on the 450L. More like $1500 I'd say. Good comparison though, thanks.
Ya I really struggled with that part. The good part of the crf250l chassis though is it’s cargo/rider weight limit is a 100lbs higher
The "maintenance intervals" was the 450L deal killer for me.
10K?????????? NO WAY!!! that's freakin insane