@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu and everyone has differnt body mechanics for a litany of reasons. You guys identified a few which was really cool and helps to understand moves better. Great podcast!
*Final Conclusion* *S* Arm triangle Arm bar Bow and Arrow choke (Gi) Heel hook Rear naked choke Triangle choke (potential S, iconic but body type issues) *A* Arm in guillotine Calf slicer D’arce choke Kimura (potential S if you include the great grip and tool) Kneebar Loop choke Twister (hard to set up, A because of good submission and badass submission) Von Flu choke (great but situational) Wrist lock (also situational) *B* Anaconda (moved from C to B though) Americana Guillotine Buggy choke Omoplata (potential A, hard to finish but good utility) Toe hold (overshadowed by kneebar) *C* Groin stretch/banana split Bulldog choke Cross collar choke Paper cutter choke Straight ankle lock (overshadowed by heel hook) *D* Bicep slicer Body triangle (good as control, submission works depending on body type) Gi Brabo choke Kesa crush Clock choke Tarikoplata Electric chair Estima lock Gi ezekiel Gogoplata Knee on belly (D-) Scissor lock (D+) Lockdown Mir lock North south choke Peruvian necktie Suloev stretch kneebar TP (No idea what it is, some kind of triangle) *F* Baseball bat choke Boston Crab Can opener Foot lock from back
Greatly appreciate the list. I am a 1 year in white belt. I’ve been told to focus and attack only threeish submissions for the next year to really improve my basics of submissions while nearly 90% of the time defending:). What three would you recommend I focus on? I am 5 10, 40 year old with slightly long arms and average leg length. Thanks in advance.
For the kesa move, it's a chest compression. You crush their chest and they can't breathe. I do it, but I also grab the leg so maybe there are variations.
You are essentially not allowing them to expand their thorax. You need those pressure changes to breathe. So done correctly, the opponent can't breathe in or out.
One of my seniors used to setup the nogi baseball bat choke from side control but instead of going for the choke, they'd go for the sternum crusher with their elbow. Most painful submission I've ever felt.
Yeah thats the Fishermans Basket. It's old school catch wrestling. The idea is every time you breathe out they squeeze down on the sub and it stops you breathing in. It is painful, but its basically a choke.
Tarikoplata is A-Tier for me. Being smaller than most people I roll with, I don’t always have the strength to break their kimura defense. Tarikoplata brings my legs into the equation.
That's really interesting. I need to spend so more time with them. Maybe I gave up too soon making them a part of my game. Glad you're having success with them 👊
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu it is especially useful when folks hunker down to resist the kimura. That’s actually what I want. I usually get them from a top side (dorsal) kimura, but they can be locked up from bottom position (Tarik Hopstock gets them from there often). Gi friction makes them so brutal. Tarik has some good videos on his TH-cam channel.
I agree on the Tarikoplata, definately a strong set up both nogi and gi, for those who are stubborn with the kimura defence. Btw it also works well from the Choi-bar setup entry.
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu You should definitely! You also have Gordon doing it in some competition...Tarikoplata takes strength out of kimura. Works amazing when you have kimura grip and opponent starts turning to turtle, very easy to get from that position.
Nogi/ MMA/ Luta Livre S Arm triangle 11:53 Arm bar 14:40 Heel hook 58:45 Rear naked choke 01:08:23 Triangle choke (potential S, iconic but body type issues) 01:14:58 A Arm in guillotine 5:34 Calf slicer 40:52 D’arce choke/ Brabo choke 53:36 Kimura (potential S if you include the great grip and tool) 59:14 Kneebar 1:00:53 Loop choke 01:03:31 Twister (hard to set up, A because of good submission and badass submission) 01:16:13 Von Flu choke 01:17:09 B Anaconda 4:00 Americana 1:21 Arm out guillotine 10:36 Buggy choke 35:18 Omoplata C Groin stretch/banana split 16:09 Bulldog choke Cross collar choke Paper cutter choke Straight ankle lock (overshadowed by heel hook) D Bicep slicer 21:58 Body triangle (good as control, submission works depending on body type) 23:28 Kesa crush Clock choke Tarikoplata 53:03 Electric chair Estima lock Gogoplata 58:03 Knee on belly (D-) Scissor lock (D+) Lockdown Mir lock 01:04:13 North south choke Peruvian necktie 01:07:09 Suloev stretch kneebar TP (No idea what it is, some kind of triangle) F Baseball bat choke Boston Crab 26:39 Can opener Foot lock from back
Great video! Check out Josh Barnett’s can opener video though. He stacks em up before grabbing the head, then rocks back with head controlled. Makes it way harder to defend than just reaching for their head and trying to use the strength of your arms to crunch their head up.
For me (blue belt), high elbow arm-out guillotine is S tier. I'm a lot smaller than most of the people I roll with, which ends up being a good thing for this style of guillotine: I'm quick enough and have small enough arms to get all the way around the head quickly, and my thin arms/sharp forearms make it an instant tap if I get it fully locked in. It's my #1 submission in nogi by a lot.
Got so hyped watching triangle get S tier, a move being iconic definitely feels important to get the highest ranking. So much BJJ history and culture in the top tier of moves
In my experience: S-Tier: None A-Tier: None B-Tier: None C-Tier: None D-Tier: Cross-Collar Choke, Punch Choke F-Tier: Americana, Kimura Yes, I'm a white belt, why do you ask?
Buggy choke is D tier for me. It's a sick submission that catches a lot of people off guard but it becomes pretty low percentage when people are wise to it. That and the fact it comes from a bad position for you and you need very good mobility to pull it off successfully
Agree, I personally cannot place anything that is so dependent on physical attribute higher than D, mayyyybe low C. You can show anyone an RNC and most can get an arm around a neck and squeeze to finish. Probably like high 90% of people can do it. But a buggy? How many can set them up? Much less finish them like you said.
Dude I feel exactly the same with the body triangle. No one wants to tap to it, and I think "I don't want to rupture this guys spleen or something......" great video.
I literally tried to hold out as long as i could, i was 155 and shredded so I thought i could flex enough to defend but man for about 20 min i thought I’d be shittin blood lol
I didn't even realize until the video that I had the option to tap to that...I just figured it was the natural pain of being in a bad jiu jitsu position...
@@JaeEnnen Professor Jordan may disagree, but I encourage you to tap to pain early as you're learning. Your body is telling you something is wrong. If you're not sure, TAP, then just ask a coach after a roll what was going on.
Surprised at the clock choke being F. I am a whitebelt belt though 😂 but I hit it often on blue belts. I like it because I’ve found it easy to transition to a bow and arrow from it since it’s the same grip and usually they’re panicking about being choked so they move out of turtle and I pull them towards me. Really enjoyed the tier list!
For me the no gi baseball choke is way better. As a relatively fresh blue belt I have tapped whites, blues and even purple belts with it. I've been pretty close with a black belt who defended well and got saved by the bell, but to his defense he basically gave me side mount to work from there. For me it is a sneaky submission I get from top side or from bottom half guard as they pass my guard. For me it is probably B tier.
Nice man I'm glad you're having some success with it. Sometimes what I consider to be niche submissions, work really good for certain people. It's definitely a cool sub!
@@uke_mike You are probably right. I suppose it's good to have a few rare subs you have really mastered in addition to the more common ones so you can surprise your opponent in competition and they won't know what caught them 🙂
Kesa gatame chest compression has a technical name and a colloquial name: diaphragm compression choke, fat man choke. Not a neck crank or a spine crank if done right, and in fact putting excessive pressure on the neck and spine will reduce the amount of force you can push down into their chest.
My gym calls the kesa sub scarf holds or mothers milk. They teach it as chest compression but it's mostly taught when they're talking about generating pressure from that position.
They should smash the arm out guilliotine guy on the walls. Idk if the UFC ruleset does not allow this but I seen people do it in StreetBeefs, it was a kid that didnt even knew how to fight he wont against the Jiu Jitsu guy because he got creative & lifted him and spun & smashed his head against the wooden wall lol.
People who go for can-openers are soulless creatures lol. It is easy to defend but with a bad neck even if you tap early, it can jack you up for a bit. Probably depends how bad your neck is, because all bad necks are not the same.
45:58- this choke affects on your diafragma ufc heavyweight oleinik did them a lot he said that you have to hold it for a while because it needs time to all air get out of your diafragma and you literally have no oxygen to breathe
The trash compactor is a diaphragm choke and is brutal if you have a big guy that knows what he is doing. It feels like all the air is pushed out of you and is held out of you.
Alex as the 'Villian' of your roll for moneyv ideo was a really cool aspect of it. He is very skilled and very fit, and it made me think of your previous videos with him where he made you perform well.
Man, for me the armbar has been one of my least effective submissions. Just can't seem to set it up very well yet. I know it's really one of the best subs out there though and I'll be figuring it out soon.
I always get the arm but they seem to be too far from my body and can easily slip out. Rear naked chokes, guillotines and arm triangles are my best subs
I agree with everything but: Kimura should move from A to a firm S tier. Guillotine should move from B to A tier. Baseball bat choke should move from F to C tier. Especially if you only go for them from top side control or knee on belly. They’re A tier for me and I hit them no gi all the time.
Jordan, you should give Professional Wrestling a try if it looks fun to you! You can always go with a stoic/cool persona if you feel like you wouldn't have the mic skills. It might even be good content for youtube, if you want to record your experience.
I'm a blue belt and started using Americana's again for that first time since early white belt about 2 months ago. I've had a high success rate finishing with it in my rolling and a couple of comps. If you don't telegraph it then I have found you can hit it quick and people just don't expect it.
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu i can see It , but you can set up triangles from everywhere and could be done by pretty much everyone while i think the Twister is quite difficult to set up l, especially for lower belts. So i think the triangle has a step on the Twister , maybe the First One Is an S and the other an A for the cool factor
@@alexpassini7597 the issue with a triangle (from guard) is that if they escape, you get your guard passed in most cases. So it can be a risky one. For that reason I wouldn't put it in the same tier as something like a RNC that has no consequence of failure. I can definitely see why most would put triangles higher than a twister but for me they work so great.
Jordan is the type of guy to say, "I am thinking of joining the airforce. I have never flown a plane before but I see planes moving like berimbolos and so I odon't know I think I can do it."
Hey Jordan, as a white belt sometimes i feel there is an overload of information when i watch bjj content on the internet. Unknowingly i try to make some moves work that i see. Sometimes they do work well but mostly these are moves where i am almost there already and just need to add a few details which is helped by the video. But how to get over this feeling of there are so many moves still there which i have no idea about and i should be knowing them. Any suggestions? Great work on the videos as always.
Pick only 1-2 moves to try out per session and also only pick moves that you feel like fill a weakness in your game. You will get overwhelmed otherwise looking at all the videos but retaining nothing
I would try and focus on one area and a few techniques within it at a time. Practice with a partner if you can and live drill too. And most importantly don't give up on the technique if it's not working. Keep figuring out what adjustments need to be made.
Havent watched the entire video yet, but for me triangle should defenitely on top. So many variations and room for error (I might be biased with my long legs though). Kimura, rnc and armbar should also be s-tier imo. For me personally the north-south choke is the worst, I can never seem to finish this one properly.
45:20 The kesa gatame submission is a wind choke. You put pressure on the opponents chest so they can't breathe. I've had success with it on smaller and same sized opponents. I've also been on the receiving end of it by judokas and it's so demoralizing being crushed.
Bryan Alvarez is a long time black belt instructor under Pedro Sauer, and long time professional wrestler and pro wrestling journalist. So the skills transfer is real, I say do 30 days of pro-wrestling training and put it on TH-cam, you'd probably have a blast.
Nice content Jordan. Any plans on condensing this content down into like a 10minute video? I feel like that would do really well with the algorithm but you probably know more than I do!
Thank you! It would definitely do better in the algorithm being shorter but I felt it was a good opportunity to expose everyone to the podcast, and see me unscripted for once 🙂. Probably in the future I'll make a good well thought out and consise version 👊
Yoo no way a straight ankle lock isn't at least in the B list. Straight ankle is like the Kimura of leg locks, the utility is definitely A tier for me.
If you’re threatening the armbar from top mount the gogoplata is readily available. Pull on the back of their head for pressure and you can even push your other foot under their head. Its just unexpected
Great list. I do disagree strongly on just one, which is the cross-collar choke. This choke is awesome from mount, AWESOME. Super low percentage/hard from guard. But from mount... Superb. Particularly since I watched the Roger Gracie instructions on how to finish it better... I'm not sure either about the Von Flue choke because it's so situational and your opponent has to make a special mistake for you to get it... I do agree that within that situation it's very efficient though ...
I've actually been watching a lot of Roger Gracie since making this video and I agree now. I think A tier is more fitting. There's a couple others I want to change too haha
No love for the nogi baseball bat choke! I get that all the time on white to purple and the odd brown. I only do it from the top ( I don't use my fingers though because it does hurt)
Everyone thought my favourite sub/sweepwas garbage but i put A LOT of time in it, and hit it every night, I think ANY sub can be someone’s personal S tier with enough hours put in!
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Can’t wait to base my entire game around this video
Results may vary depending on body type haha. I need to make a BJJ style for different body types video soon.
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu OMG I hope you do. Ill watch the crap out of that
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu yes pls I’m 6.1 and lanky arms and legs. Would love to know how to utlusise these more
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu and everyone has differnt body mechanics for a litany of reasons. You guys identified a few which was really cool and helps to understand moves better. Great podcast!
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu cool ! can't wait
*Final Conclusion*
*S*
Arm triangle
Arm bar
Bow and Arrow choke (Gi)
Heel hook
Rear naked choke
Triangle choke (potential S, iconic but body type issues)
*A*
Arm in guillotine
Calf slicer
D’arce choke
Kimura (potential S if you include the great grip and tool)
Kneebar
Loop choke
Twister (hard to set up, A because of good submission and badass submission)
Von Flu choke (great but situational)
Wrist lock (also situational)
*B*
Anaconda (moved from C to B though)
Americana
Guillotine
Buggy choke
Omoplata (potential A, hard to finish but good utility)
Toe hold (overshadowed by kneebar)
*C*
Groin stretch/banana split
Bulldog choke
Cross collar choke
Paper cutter choke
Straight ankle lock (overshadowed by heel hook)
*D*
Bicep slicer
Body triangle (good as control, submission works depending on body type)
Gi Brabo choke
Kesa crush
Clock choke
Tarikoplata
Electric chair
Estima lock
Gi ezekiel
Gogoplata
Knee on belly (D-)
Scissor lock (D+)
Lockdown
Mir lock
North south choke
Peruvian necktie
Suloev stretch kneebar
TP (No idea what it is, some kind of triangle)
*F*
Baseball bat choke
Boston Crab
Can opener
Foot lock from back
Thank you so much for this! Looking back at this I would maybe make a few small changes. I'll make a slightly modified list and post it.
Same here, when i see it layed out like that, I’d change a few things too, some of the pics were hard to see when we were looking at them.
You are doing God's work.
Greatly appreciate the list. I am a 1 year in white belt. I’ve been told to focus and attack only threeish submissions for the next year to really improve my basics of submissions while nearly 90% of the time defending:). What three would you recommend I focus on?
I am 5 10, 40 year old with slightly long arms and average leg length. Thanks in advance.
@@rorypine7018 what positions do you normally find yourself in?
Love how you brought the crew on for this one! Uke Mike is always fun to listen to
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holy cow! an hour plus of submission ranking and reviews
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For the kesa move, it's a chest compression. You crush their chest and they can't breathe. I do it, but I also grab the leg so maybe there are variations.
Oh interesting, that makes sense now. I really enjoy hitting them. Just feels good lol
Agreed. It’s like drowning.
I can confirm. Judokas tend to be good at this.
You are essentially not allowing them to expand their thorax. You need those pressure changes to breathe. So done correctly, the opponent can't breathe in or out.
It’s also called a scarfhold
One of my seniors used to setup the nogi baseball bat choke from side control but instead of going for the choke, they'd go for the sternum crusher with their elbow. Most painful submission I've ever felt.
Yeah thats the Fishermans Basket. It's old school catch wrestling. The idea is every time you breathe out they squeeze down on the sub and it stops you breathing in. It is painful, but its basically a choke.
Im only 14 sessions in to No Gi training and studying this is UNBELIEVABLY helpful!!
Thanks Guys 🤜🤛
Tarikoplata is A-Tier for me. Being smaller than most people I roll with, I don’t always have the strength to break their kimura defense. Tarikoplata brings my legs into the equation.
That's really interesting. I need to spend so more time with them. Maybe I gave up too soon making them a part of my game. Glad you're having success with them 👊
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu it is especially useful when folks hunker down to resist the kimura. That’s actually what I want. I usually get them from a top side (dorsal) kimura, but they can be locked up from bottom position (Tarik Hopstock gets them from there often). Gi friction makes them so brutal. Tarik has some good videos on his TH-cam channel.
I agree on the Tarikoplata, definately a strong set up both nogi and gi, for those who are stubborn with the kimura defence.
Btw it also works well from the Choi-bar setup entry.
@@kristofferh2312 yes! Another great entry.
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu You should definitely! You also have Gordon doing it in some competition...Tarikoplata takes strength out of kimura. Works amazing when you have kimura grip and opponent starts turning to turtle, very easy to get from that position.
Had been waiting for this video ever since Jordan mentioned the idea in one of his previous videos
Nogi/ MMA/ Luta Livre
S
Arm triangle 11:53
Arm bar 14:40
Heel hook 58:45
Rear naked choke 01:08:23
Triangle choke (potential S, iconic but body type issues) 01:14:58
A
Arm in guillotine 5:34
Calf slicer 40:52
D’arce choke/ Brabo choke 53:36
Kimura (potential S if you include the great grip and tool) 59:14
Kneebar 1:00:53
Loop choke 01:03:31
Twister (hard to set up, A because of good submission and badass submission) 01:16:13
Von Flu choke 01:17:09
B
Anaconda 4:00
Americana 1:21
Arm out guillotine 10:36
Buggy choke 35:18
Omoplata
C
Groin stretch/banana split 16:09
Bulldog choke
Cross collar choke
Paper cutter choke
Straight ankle lock (overshadowed by heel hook)
D
Bicep slicer 21:58
Body triangle (good as control, submission works depending on body type) 23:28
Kesa crush
Clock choke
Tarikoplata 53:03
Electric chair
Estima lock
Gogoplata 58:03
Knee on belly (D-)
Scissor lock (D+)
Lockdown
Mir lock 01:04:13
North south choke
Peruvian necktie 01:07:09
Suloev stretch kneebar
TP (No idea what it is, some kind of triangle)
F
Baseball bat choke
Boston Crab 26:39
Can opener
Foot lock from back
Legend
It's tepee, like the tent traditionally used by native tribes in the Plains and Prairies!
You are the GOAT
Great video! Check out Josh Barnett’s can opener video though. He stacks em up before grabbing the head, then rocks back with head controlled. Makes it way harder to defend than just reaching for their head and trying to use the strength of your arms to crunch their head up.
For me (blue belt), high elbow arm-out guillotine is S tier. I'm a lot smaller than most of the people I roll with, which ends up being a good thing for this style of guillotine: I'm quick enough and have small enough arms to get all the way around the head quickly, and my thin arms/sharp forearms make it an instant tap if I get it fully locked in. It's my #1 submission in nogi by a lot.
I feel like you get better leverage with guillotine with a figure four lock on the neck
Got so hyped watching triangle get S tier, a move being iconic definitely feels important to get the highest ranking. So much BJJ history and culture in the top tier of moves
I mean it has to be. There's a world of difference between playing in someone's guard that can triangle vs someone that doesn't
"BJJ gets rid of the ego", Jordan at 13:00, "hold my beer".
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I’m glad you said arm in guillotine is S tier. May have to fight you on arm out.
Haha let's see which guillotine style is superior in May 😜
This will be great to watch, love seeing ppl cross promote and everyone wins! Really like your new content!
Double leg is the best takedown, so naturally guillotine is the best submission.
The "kesagatame neck crank" is called a chest compressor. You need to hold the suffocation for like 30 seconds for them to tap
Maybe it’s the camera angle but Jordan’s right arm looks twice the size of his left.😂
I noticed that about my left as well lol
The discussion on the body triangle squeeze is hilarious. "It feels like they might literally die" hahaha jeez..
Haha well Chewwy placed third at ADCC trials as well. A lot higher of an achievement than most coaches :)
Kesa gatame aka scarfold is probably my top submission other than the arm triangle. But I am a 250lb purple belt lol
Man i hate getting caught in those with big dudes lol
This is super cool. As an avid jits guy and gamer, I love this tier list format!
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Agreed. Trying to find the meta.
If i had a nickle for every time i successfully hit an omoplata during a live round, id have 0 nickles.
What about the one where you go north-south and whisper "I love you" in their ear? :)
Haha everyone's favourite. S tier for sure.
Made me laugh out loud😂😂
In my experience:
S-Tier: None
A-Tier: None
B-Tier: None
C-Tier: None
D-Tier: Cross-Collar Choke, Punch Choke
F-Tier: Americana, Kimura
Yes, I'm a white belt, why do you ask?
This made me laugh 😂
Buggy choke is D tier for me. It's a sick submission that catches a lot of people off guard but it becomes pretty low percentage when people are wise to it. That and the fact it comes from a bad position for you and you need very good mobility to pull it off successfully
Agree, I personally cannot place anything that is so dependent on physical attribute higher than D, mayyyybe low C. You can show anyone an RNC and most can get an arm around a neck and squeeze to finish. Probably like high 90% of people can do it.
But a buggy? How many can set them up? Much less finish them like you said.
Exactly! Just stick a knee/elbow in the guts and you’re safe
Can you make a tier list of takedowns please
I wanna see a video like this for guard passes or takedowns!!
Armbar and Twister above Anaconda, Darce? Im rioting lol
Haha I just love twisters so much ❤️
We’re rebels 🤩 lol
Dude I feel exactly the same with the body triangle. No one wants to tap to it, and I think "I don't want to rupture this guys spleen or something......" great video.
Haha people are nuts
I literally tried to hold out as long as i could, i was 155 and shredded so I thought i could flex enough to defend but man for about 20 min i thought I’d be shittin blood lol
I didn't even realize until the video that I had the option to tap to that...I just figured it was the natural pain of being in a bad jiu jitsu position...
@@JaeEnnen Professor Jordan may disagree, but I encourage you to tap to pain early as you're learning. Your body is telling you something is wrong. If you're not sure, TAP, then just ask a coach after a roll what was going on.
It's hard to tell in how much trouble you really are.
Typically I just tap when I'm afraid of spitting out my last meal.
21:39 Jordan has his Bush Junior moment.
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I have tapped so many higher belts with the baseball bat choke. Wow
I think I’ve only ever had 3 ppl try it 3.5 years
Surprised at the clock choke being F. I am a whitebelt belt though 😂 but I hit it often on blue belts. I like it because I’ve found it easy to transition to a bow and arrow from it since it’s the same grip and usually they’re panicking about being choked so they move out of turtle and I pull them towards me. Really enjoyed the tier list!
Thank you! Maybe I just need to spend more time with them. Glad you're having success with them though 👊
Yeah, it is super common to get in judo. Can you trap their far hand in turtle it is really hard to defend
The Bravo choke. Look into it bro
“I’d feel really bad if my body triangle gave someone a colostomy bag, I’d probably stop doing it.” 😂 Jesus Christ I hope so!
Haha would make for a great shirt to both confuse and scare people
I just remember how badly it hurt, like shit your guts out hurt! Lol
For me the no gi baseball choke is way better. As a relatively fresh blue belt I have tapped whites, blues and even purple belts with it. I've been pretty close with a black belt who defended well and got saved by the bell, but to his defense he basically gave me side mount to work from there.
For me it is a sneaky submission I get from top side or from bottom half guard as they pass my guard. For me it is probably B tier.
Nice man I'm glad you're having some success with it. Sometimes what I consider to be niche submissions, work really good for certain people. It's definitely a cool sub!
I think if you put in the hours, any sub could be super successful!
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu Thanks man! So cool to get replies from the creator. Love your content!
@@uke_mike You are probably right. I suppose it's good to have a few rare subs you have really mastered in addition to the more common ones so you can surprise your opponent in competition and they won't know what caught them 🙂
45:00 scarf choke from kesa gatami
Or the soul crusher if you grab under their closet leg and squeeze that also
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Kesa gatame chest compression has a technical name and a colloquial name: diaphragm compression choke, fat man choke. Not a neck crank or a spine crank if done right, and in fact putting excessive pressure on the neck and spine will reduce the amount of force you can push down into their chest.
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Could you make a diagram of the final tier list with the names of each submission? Would love to save that and have it as a reference
There is a list, i believe its the pinned comment, thanks for watching and supporting the show!
My old gym would call that kesa gatame move the "fat man choke"
Haha definitely a good one for the big guys
This was great. Need a take down tier list next!
45:40 Kesa Gatame chest compression.
My gym calls the kesa sub scarf holds or mothers milk. They teach it as chest compression but it's mostly taught when they're talking about generating pressure from that position.
They should smash the arm out guilliotine guy on the walls. Idk if the UFC ruleset does not allow this but I seen people do it in StreetBeefs, it was a kid that didnt even knew how to fight he wont against the Jiu Jitsu guy because he got creative & lifted him and spun & smashed his head against the wooden wall lol.
People who go for can-openers are soulless creatures lol. It is easy to defend but with a bad neck even if you tap early, it can jack you up for a bit. Probably depends how bad your neck is, because all bad necks are not the same.
That's a very good point. Totally agree.
Paper Cutter is badass! B- at least! rofl jk jk
Haha they are pretty bad ass
45:58- this choke affects on your diafragma ufc heavyweight oleinik did them a lot he said that you have to hold it for a while because it needs time to all air get out of your diafragma and you literally have no oxygen to breathe
That makes a lot of sense. Such a cool sub!
The trash compactor is a diaphragm choke and is brutal if you have a big guy that knows what he is doing. It feels like all the air is pushed out of you and is held out of you.
Good point!
Mike is in his late 40s with a history of drug use? Dude looks young af for that
TRT helps for sure and just taking care of himself in general. Definitely looks great!
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu You sure its not just the BJJ?
Thanks man! I'm almost 48, drug addict for 11 years but been clean for almost 4, eat right, trt, healthy living...
Happy birthday 🎂
Thank you!
I love this breakdown a lot! A lot of good insight for a white belt like myself. Also, where can I find a link to the Discord server?
don't you guys think that one gives up position with the armbar?
jordan is so funny in this conversation, idk why but i feel like he is just always laughing and it starts making me laugh because
Haha I was having a great time!
Alex as the 'Villian' of your roll for moneyv ideo was a really cool aspect of it. He is very skilled and very fit, and it made me think of your previous videos with him where he made you perform well.
Jordan can you make a tier list for guards.
Thank you
Will have to make one in the future for sure 👊
Jordan getting offended of being called a brown belt is hilarious 🤣
Gotta get those facts straight lol 😅
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu is a massive compliment to most just goes to show there are levels to BJJ🤣
Having to prove it so someone wastly less experienced than him is weird
I tried (and failed) to find the Talk Jitsu discord.
Man, for me the armbar has been one of my least effective submissions. Just can't seem to set it up very well yet. I know it's really one of the best subs out there though and I'll be figuring it out soon.
I always get the arm but they seem to be too far from my body and can easily slip out. Rear naked chokes, guillotines and arm triangles are my best subs
I used to struggle with armbars. I now hit them all the time. My highest percentage sub.
Fun video idea
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I had a rib f up because of a body triangle
That sucks! At least you don't need a calostomy bag though haha.
We're eating good tonight boys
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can you please please talk about which guards are less useful for mma? And the best ways to get back up without walking in mma?
I agree with everything but:
Kimura should move from A to a firm S tier.
Guillotine should move from B to A tier.
Baseball bat choke should move from F to C tier. Especially if you only go for them from top side control or knee on belly. They’re A tier for me and I hit them no gi all the time.
All good points 🙂
Jordan, you should give Professional Wrestling a try if it looks fun to you! You can always go with a stoic/cool persona if you feel like you wouldn't have the mic skills. It might even be good content for youtube, if you want to record your experience.
Man I really want to. I feel like I need adventure and something new in my life. I think it would be so much fun!
I had no idea the body triangle was a submission, my gym only teaches them as a way to control the back
It's definitely a sub, I thought I was going to die lol
@Uke Mike makes sense, it definitely sucks to be in, love the channel you guys are awesome!
@@tylergossett3133 thank you!!
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Depends on your leg proportions and the other person's torso proportions.
I'm a blue belt and started using Americana's again for that first time since early white belt about 2 months ago. I've had a high success rate finishing with it in my rolling and a couple of comps. If you don't telegraph it then I have found you can hit it quick and people just don't expect it.
If you're one of the heaviest dudes in you entire gym, that don'r count
@@glxblt-sd1ze I'm 74kg (compete at lightweight) and I'm 5"8 my man, so not even kinda big 😁
@@bespokeregent48 nice job man, keep working
@@glxblt-sd1ze Thanks bro 🤙
No baseball choke? As a white belt I put a brown belt to sleep!
Triangle and Twister on the same level 🫤🫤🫤
The twister is probably in my top 3 of subs I hit regularly haha
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu i can see It , but you can set up triangles from everywhere and could be done by pretty much everyone while i think the Twister is quite difficult to set up l, especially for lower belts.
So i think the triangle has a step on the Twister , maybe the First One Is an S and the other an A for the cool factor
@@alexpassini7597 the issue with a triangle (from guard) is that if they escape, you get your guard passed in most cases. So it can be a risky one. For that reason I wouldn't put it in the same tier as something like a RNC that has no consequence of failure. I can definitely see why most would put triangles higher than a twister but for me they work so great.
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Jordan is the type of guy to say, "I am thinking of joining the airforce. I have never flown a plane before but I see planes moving like berimbolos and so I odon't know I think I can do it."
Haha you're 100% right. Self belief 🙌
just to add on to the rear naked choke killing animals: in Brazil we call it "mata-leão" which is like "lion-killer", so yeah lol
guard passes and takedowns tier list pls
Good idea 🙂
awesome video!!
My favorite submission anaconda. Snake fan
All the modified "Plata's" but no omoplata? Just looking at the links anyway
We talk about the omaplata but thanks for pointing it out! Thanks for supporting the podcast!
can you please do this for sweeps or transitions just like everything lmao
You never know! 👊
North South choke is probably my favorite choke most people don't see it coming and it's easy to finish even one arm once you understand how
Some are definitely good at like. Like Marcello Garcia for example but for me I think there's better subs. Glad you have success with it though!
DOPE Video!
Hey Jordan, as a white belt sometimes i feel there is an overload of information when i watch bjj content on the internet. Unknowingly i try to make some moves work that i see. Sometimes they do work well but mostly these are moves where i am almost there already and just need to add a few details which is helped by the video. But how to get over this feeling of there are so many moves still there which i have no idea about and i should be knowing them. Any suggestions?
Great work on the videos as always.
Get good at the basics
Pick only 1-2 moves to try out per session and also only pick moves that you feel like fill a weakness in your game. You will get overwhelmed otherwise looking at all the videos but retaining nothing
My son felt this way. Our coach told him to pick 2 subs and 2 sweeps and chase them for 2 months.
I would try and focus on one area and a few techniques within it at a time. Practice with a partner if you can and live drill too. And most importantly don't give up on the technique if it's not working. Keep figuring out what adjustments need to be made.
Just attempt d'arce chokes until you get them. Disregard all other submissions.
Yes it’s the camel crusher. I love it. Pushing your lat into their rib cage, and pulling in the head and arms so they can’t breathe. One of my favs.
Brilliant video, thank you Jordan. I always struggle to pick which technique to learn next, now it would be a lot easier
Happy to help! Glad you enjoyed it 👊
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you can get an Americana from the setup for an arm triangle too
That's true. I actually love Americanas. They don't get enough love.
Back body triangle ✨ strong long leg gang here but sadly it prevents me from working RNC and other attacks from the back so I stopped doing it
Havent watched the entire video yet, but for me triangle should defenitely on top. So many variations and room for error (I might be biased with my long legs though). Kimura, rnc and armbar should also be s-tier imo. For me personally the north-south choke is the worst, I can never seem to finish this one properly.
I agree on the the north south choke. Super overrated. Triangle is definitely top tier!
Some ppl have mastered NSC like Marcelo, i guess it would depend on your anatomy and hours put in to it.
44:49 The Kesa gatame crusher is like a B tier or even A tier for me, I'm a Super Heavyweight
Perfect submission for your size. Gotta use what you've got!
Jordan? You're tough but you wouldn't be able to handle the road schedule.😂
Haha I realize that now. I watched a documentary on pro wrestling and realized it is not for me 😅
45:20 The kesa gatame submission is a wind choke. You put pressure on the opponents chest so they can't breathe. I've had success with it on smaller and same sized opponents. I've also been on the receiving end of it by judokas and it's so demoralizing being crushed.
Bryan Alvarez is a long time black belt instructor under Pedro Sauer, and long time professional wrestler and pro wrestling journalist. So the skills transfer is real, I say do 30 days of pro-wrestling training and put it on TH-cam, you'd probably have a blast.
Nice content Jordan. Any plans on condensing this content down into like a 10minute video? I feel like that would do really well with the algorithm but you probably know more than I do!
Thank you! It would definitely do better in the algorithm being shorter but I felt it was a good opportunity to expose everyone to the podcast, and see me unscripted for once 🙂. Probably in the future I'll make a good well thought out and consise version 👊
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu thats a good point, I hope it brings more exposure to your podcast
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Hey awesome show guys, keep it up. Can you put a link in the description for the discord?
Awesome video!
As someone who is starting to map out his A game I always wondered how each submission’s functional use rank amongst eachother
Yoo no way a straight ankle lock isn't at least in the B list. Straight ankle is like the Kimura of leg locks, the utility is definitely A tier for me.
Why ankle lock someone when you can heel hook them though?
What about the reverse Omoplata? I think it is missing
banana split is fun to do but if you have decent hip flexibility then its not that bad. electric chair is a lot more effective
I hit the electric chair every night, love it
I love electric chair. I have short, thick legs. Works great for me.
Arm out guillotine transitions to 100%neck crank easily tho
If you’re threatening the armbar from top mount the gogoplata is readily available.
Pull on the back of their head for pressure and you can even push your other foot under their head. Its just unexpected
I'll have to try this!!
@@bryceolsen3527 did you?
The kangaroo didn't die by the choke. Just got choked out. You can see it moving afterwards
Ya good point. We've overlooked it.
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Great list. I do disagree strongly on just one, which is the cross-collar choke. This choke is awesome from mount, AWESOME. Super low percentage/hard from guard. But from mount... Superb. Particularly since I watched the Roger Gracie instructions on how to finish it better...
I'm not sure either about the Von Flue choke because it's so situational and your opponent has to make a special mistake for you to get it... I do agree that within that situation it's very efficient though ...
I've actually been watching a lot of Roger Gracie since making this video and I agree now. I think A tier is more fitting. There's a couple others I want to change too haha
What rating would an inverted triangle get ?
No love for the nogi baseball bat choke! I get that all the time on white to purple and the odd brown. I only do it from the top ( I don't use my fingers though because it does hurt)
Everyone thought my favourite sub/sweepwas garbage but i put A LOT of time in it, and hit it every night, I think ANY sub can be someone’s personal S tier with enough hours put in!
can you do a guard tier list?
I will! 🙂