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Super confused how you don't know about this being a horrible look. Please tell me you're not deleting comments cuz I'm sure I'm only echoing what others have said yet I strangely see zero replies to this. If somehow you DIDN'T know then you should prolly check it out seriously, just saying.
When you said it's not all about how your body looks, it's about how your body feels, that applies to your brain. Your brain is part of your body and if it is hating itself..... that is not healthy.
And it’s like the snake eating itself because it’s all connected. If you don’t properly eat, your brain shrinks from malnutrition if it’s severe enough. If you don’t eat any antioxidants or fats your brain power suffers. then your brain becomes even more dysfunctional and the self talk gets worse and worse. Your mood is not stable because you’re not taking care of your body. It’s a snowball effect. not liking your body and mistreating it harms your brain and if you fuel your bad habits with self hatred there’s never gonna be an end goal in sight because you’ll just want to punish yourself more and more and you become more afraid of food and change.
Exactly. Me hating myself led to me overeating, and only when I figured out how to reduce calorie consumption and body fat did I also learn how to love myself. The excess body fat and poor diet contributed heavily to my mental health issues. And I also learned that just because I liked home-cooked meals didn't mean my diet wasn't still poor. Now I eat and cook with intention, and life has become so much better.
yeah, i said in my own comment that these girls wouldn’t speak this way to someone they like. that’s how you talk to someone you hate. that’s how you bully. it’s sad to see, and i really wish our mental healthcare system was better, because the stigma around this shit is just creating a horrible cycle a lot of us will never get out of.
@@stefaniashefer3096I was on tumblr back in those times and tbh tiktok is worse. On tumblr you had to search for that content at least a little bit. Tiktok and instagram reels (especially the latter) throw ED content in random people's "recommended for you" feeds. I have no interest in ED content and yet they showed me that a couple of times.
you would also think he knows losing more than 3 pounds a week is very unhealthy and youre basically lose water weight and muscle tissue. and also that lechtin is essential for our cells
There’s a video from another creator called “Glowing up ruined my life” and it’s raw, sad and amazing. She documents her struggles with the difference between weight loss and being healthy. Worth a watch to see someone’s pov
I would recommend to take that creator’s words with a grain of salt. She’s always talking about things like she’s overcome them and learned from them but she is also young and is currently experiencing life, every change seems to be a revolution in her world. She gained and lost weight twice, that’s all really. Throughout our lives we all have to find a lifestyle that works for us and keeps us happy and healthy, which might mean having all kinds of ups and downs, including weight gain/loss.
@@nia3934 she does portray herself in a certain way, like I wouldn't actually call her content very raw because it is highly curated and the voiceovers scripted, BUT she does talk about an important issue and does make good points, and most of all pretty damn healthy points so it doesn't invalidate what she is saying just because she may not be over all her issues (no one is tbh).
I had anorexia in college and can 100% agree on the fact that telling anorexic people that they look concerningly thin just feeds into their problem. I knew I had anorexia and didn't care and honestly had a little bit of a mean girls attitude about it. People commenting on my concerning appearance made me feel not only successful in becoming thin, but also fed into my attention seeking behavioral cycle where I needed other's concern in order to feel validated. Do not interact with anorexic people about their anorexia. They will get better if they want to when they want to.
If that's the case I can run an entire cities water and waste water plant on my own because my dad and my husband can. Now we should start this as a trend hahaha oh and I'm a lawyer because I did one class in high-school and my cousin is a lawyer
there was a girl in my high school who was like this. we got different answers on a group assignment in physics once and when i pointed out the part she did wrong she got so mad at me. she kept being like “my parents are scientists i know what i’m doing! >:(“ like cool your parents are scientists. you’re still bad at math.
Dog piling anyone on the internet with an eating disorder has NEVER worked historically. Think of Eugenia Cooney or Amberlynn Reid. The bullying and constant comments just makes them dig their heels in harder, when will yall learn this
@@taylorhillard4868Bad examples tbh. People need to be ready for change. Tammy wanted to change. I mean, she went on a weigh loss show. But back then, she wasn't ready to change. Nicocado on the other hand made money from the outrage he caused and still does. He put on a show for money. It was always more about money and fame. Eugenia, wanted to change, tried to change, but has relapsed. It is disrespectful to just say "people who were never going to change, never will" when we talk about mental illnesses like this.
@@xerxestheimmortal1 no, I'm saying that it's not a relevant factor as to whether or not they recover. Amberlynn Reid and Eugenia were never going to get better, regardless of whether or not they were online seeing comments or not. They're not doing what they're doing because they're "digging in thier heels" it's because they don't want to change.
@@taylorhillard4868 would you say that to an alcoholic who has relapsed? Or a shopaholic who hasn't completely changed their ways? Like seriously, making a change requires will, but also a lot more. And food addiction as well as eating disorder are difficult cases. Want, is part one. Then comes why how, when, and doubts, successes, failures, support or lack of it. And then finally, maintenence, which includes all of these.
Some people have no clue how many calories are in foods. Tbh, that may be to their advantage, but still, people should be aware of what goes into their food. cooking and baking has really opened my eyes to what is actually needed to achieve restaurant/bakery quality food
Yeah as someone who's sensitive to sugar, I would take one bite and pass out, but some people are more likely to consume a lot of sugar without instantly feeling sick. I think it's a genetic thing.
A lot of people are desensitized to sugar and have no idea about calories. My dad thought that pralines had like 5-10 kcal each. He was shocked when I told him it's more like 50-100!
i truly TRULY resented BBL culture but f me I didn’t realise how lucky I had it back then as a curvy girl in terms of my body being somewhat accepted 😭
It’s unfortunate that the body “trends” always fluctuates between stick thin and thick but still thin bc unfortunately thin is always in even if it is to the detriment of the person
@@Jade_CraneI only ever seen black dudes with bbl women. That’s why the trend went out honestly.. Most men will look because… it’s there!😂 But Thin and fit will always be in. It’s universal
If I was more on TikTok a few years ago I’d be in a much worse spot in my recovery than I am today. Period. Being kind to yourself is sick as fuck girls I highly recommend it
I’m super into the gym and go because 1. I feel more confident in my appearance 2. Feeling less helpless especially as a woman and 3. I feel better mentally and physically. But I avoid a lot of the gym content on tiktok etc because there are so many unrealistic expectations being set, and I know I’d have to develop unhealthy eating habits to look the way they do. Not all, but a lot of them can really cause a spiral into disordered eating.
years ago, i was obsessed with those WEIAD & gym videos like crazyyy. I’d watch those & all the fear mongering about food groups and whatever stuff to avoid all day and drive myself absolutely nuts. i’m in a much better spot mentally now though (:
I go off and on back into the gym, if i can ask - how do you stay so motivated? i go for maybe 3 weeks straights, see results, and then slowly stop going for a few months and the cycle starts over
I workout only at home but working out ,,simply so‘ is cool but lot of workouts are clickbaits to expect very low body fat% and guess what? Proteins and co doesn’t work instantly so it’s temptation to ⭐️ve your body, faster and ,,smarter‘
omg this!! I started going this year to improve my health / overall mood and when I started looking for tips on how to do exercises correctly etc on instagram my algorithm quicky became diet culture content?? I ended up just removing myself from a lot of it but it is crazy how a lot of gym culture online is so heavy tied to restrictive eating.
When I started gaining large amounts of weight in my adolescence, nobody tried to figure out why. They just told me to go on a diet and lose weight. I had a binge eating disorder and the medication I was on caused weight gain
damn.... its the exact same for me. I never got a formal ED diagnoses, but idk if i can just go see my family doctor and tell her i think i have an ED. I'm a young adult now but i feel like my disorders are worse than before
I feel that even when I have(ONLY restrictive ED) my ED is not valid. I am normalweight and want to look really other way but it‘s not so fast or simple
@@kaitsenpai Idk how anyone saw what he did as anything more than extreme performance art. He set out to prove that people are piggies for horrific content slop, and he did.
Thinfluencers remind me of those alpha male podcasters. Their attitude towards ppl different from them are so ugly and it tells a lot about their character imo
also on the note of body positivity, I agree that it went to an extreme end for a lot of the internet but the answer to that shouldn't be to retaliate in an equally toxic way? I'm personally hoping the pedulum between these things can meet a more neutral point eventually to where we stop caring so much how people look. That's probably asking a lot tho from the internet 😩
@@bawnigan6494I hope body neutrality is the next trend. Loving your body is the best option, but if you can’t do that the next best thing is to accept it the way it is.
@@bawnigan6494”fat activists,” have actively spread disinformation and harassed people over wanting to lose wight or “triggering” them (random tiktok with a thin person eating healthily?)
My problem with Liz Schmidt and her type of influencers is that they are 2.0 versions of 2012-2014 ano-thight gap tumblr girls who were almost openly promoting ED and starvation. As someone who went through all of this and still is haunted all this "Are you hungry or just thirsty?" or beauty in a skinny body is giving me massive flashbacks. The only difference is that instead of smoking, they promote consumption of insane amount of supplements and essential oil
im still on tumblr and i have been for a long time, and ed content never went away honey. its all over, its always been there and it will continue forever because there will always be people who are eating disordered. you can hide it away but its still there.
@@EveRosellAww babes, you think an eating disorder just means not eating literally anything ever? 🥺 + she’s recording you have no idea if she actually ate/eats like that often. But we can have an idea of how she eats by the things she says.
2020-2021 was so healing bc of the body positivity movement being taken seriously. now, bigback this and y2k skinny that, its like all that was for nothing. and consumerism is at an all time high. its ironic.
Honestly 2020 was the start of the downhill turn. It was around then that fat acceptance tried to rewrite history and claim the body positivity movement as thier own. They turned good messages that were meant for normal healthy weight people and tried to argue that they still applied for severely morbidly obese bodies. Once that happened people stopped listening to the advice originally meant to promote healthy sizes. Body positivity was the dam that held back the whole 90s-y2k nonsense for the past decade. Once fat acceptance stole it and turned it into a clown parade, there was nothing left to protect people from the y2k nonsense from returning.
@@taylorhillard4868 no, the whole movement didn't get turned into a clown show, socmed picked out specific people who were saying fringe shit that most of the movement doesn't even agree with, and blasted them everywhere, and the world at large was willing to accept devaluing the entire movement because fatphobia is one of the only prejudices that is largely considered socially acceptable. frankly, 90% of people cannot actually look at a given person and determine whether they are in the medically obese category or the overweight category, and most fat acceptance influencers were not out here posting their exact weight. people were just selecting targets based on who does and doesn't look attractive to them, as if it's their fundamental right to never ever see a person they think is ugly
@@lilaculots 90% of people don't have eyes? Wow. And perhaps that has to do with how class3 and above obesity have become normal in the states. Peoples perceptions of a healthy body have become so skewed that even those who are already dangerously overfat are perceived as being "thin" And yes, it has become a clown parade, even your own comment shows this. Because our eyes are a better metric than the BMI to begin with. Because our eyes can catch exceptions that the quick and dirty screening formula can't. Our eyes can see when we are looking at a lean and muscular bodybuilder who's "class 1 obese" but has less than an inch of pinchable fat. And we can also see with our eyes when there's someone with really thin arms and legs in the healthy bmi range who also has 4 inches of pinchable fat. We can see that even though they are in the normal bmi, they have too little muscle and too much fat, both of which we know to be very unhealthy. This is my point. We know that excess bodyfat is unhealthy. It is an indisputable fact at this point. The research is decades deep and exponentially compounding. It is as close to rock solid as almost anything in science and medicine can be. Yet we still have people who are carrying 2-3 extra people's entire bodyweight trying to say that science is wrong and we shouldn't care about our health.
@taylorhillard4868 yk you didn't have to come up with lies you could've just said you hate fat people and don't see then as human being because one quick little search would tell you that the body positivity movement was started by fat people your hatred is seeping out
A few years ago i was watching mukbangs ONLY for the reason that I was starving myself at that time and it was a way for me to live vicariously through them watching them eat food i wished i could be eating. God am I glad that time is over and I‘m healthy again
I'm in recovery for BED (my one year binge free is the 25th!!!!) and I also have ana, and the difference between how the two disorders are treated is wild, where people come to me with empathy when my anorexia is more obvious, but when I'm struggling with my binging its way more shame based
about "coddling people with eating disorders" i see a lot of people just making fun of anorexics, like joking about their hair fall out, which is fucking disgusting to say about someone who is dying due to a disorder that makes you slowly kill yourself. if you don't want to "coddle" anyone, just fucking ignore them, don't ridicule them
i’m anorexic and i much agree people talking abt ed spaces just draws more people in i think it’s much better just to ignore than to respond (either insults or encouragement)
I have an ED and someone told me just talking about it with them was "traumadumping," despite them not indicating that discussing my symptoms was triggering them. We really have no where to discuss this stuff -- my insurance doesn't consider me sick enough to pay for my treatment.
After I had my daughter I had really bad ppd and had an eating disorder where I just would sit and eat a family pack of oreos every two days, eat fast food everyday and drink ALOT of pop and no healthy food. I gained 70 lbs. Finally I realized what I was doing and started eating healthy and started working out and now I still can't get all the weight off. It's a real thing and effected my overall health so much.❤
i hope ure feeling/doing much better now!! becoming a parent is sometimes so unfathomable to me, its such an enormous change in one's life im wishing u the best, n a healthy body n mind, for u as well as ur family 💫💫
this is completely understandable! sometimes hormones have a huge factor to play in weight loss. if you’re dieting and exercising and staying consistent and you’re still not seeing results, you should get ur levels checked! it’s a slow but steady process. don’t be discouraged, you got this!
@favouro6344 yeah I'm not doing that. I've lost most of the weight, I'm not going to be miserable in the process. I love food and counting calories and weighing your food is an eating disorder also.
@@Concioushippie444 you don't have to do it forever. After 3 months you should know how much you should be eating and over time your body will get used to regular portion sizes. I'm just telling you what worked for me.
The thinness culture of the 2000s and 2010s has honestly messed me up, elementary schoolers bullied you if you were fat. I don’t really know if or what weight is “healthy” and in talking with my doctor it turns out health is much more complicated and fluid than this binary of being fat vs being skinny. There are like soooo many factors weight included. Appreciate the Kiana Docherty clip btw her work is great More importantly though what you say about empathy towards those with binge eating disorders is VERY IMPORTANT. I was a fat kid and my dad believed in the weight watchers logic of “you can eat anything you want so long as it’s within X calorie range” and he’d portion control my meals which usually left me hungry since the food wasn’t nearly as nutritionally valuable or filling. I’d end up overeating or just emotionally eating by accident since I never knew if the next meal would be enough to feel satiated. Our eating habits and views on excercise are formed and warped by our parents AND the broader society/internet, it’s not your fault you’re just doing your best with what you have.
I was a young teenager (13-16) with an ed on tumblr and remember feeling so worthwhile when people said I was "too skinny" (as a compliment). I went from being overweight to underweight in less than a year. I went 10 years with an ed and it's done incredible damage on my gut and nervous system. I am very recovered, but can't eat meat now or my body rejects it/doesn't know how to process it. It does lasting damage and I have to constantly relearn how my body FEELS after eating something because I was so dissociated from what it feels like to eat food. And this decade long struggle with an ed plus recovery time all started because there was a focus on portion control, motivating yourself to work out, and the way you looked and they all equated your worth to other people. I really wish the Internet didn't cling to people who share such harmful habits but it is what it is and we just gotta keep talking about it.
As someone who went from a size 22-24 to a 12 i literally dont even feel good about my body. People talked shit about me for years now all i get are “compliments” like “oh are you on ozempic?” “You look so skinny how did you do it??” “You look so great!” People ive never talked to before come up to me at work and ask about my weightloss. They ask my parents about it even im not a person im just a number on a scale for people.
@@ClayMastah344 They don't give a fuck about you even when you ARE thin. OP's comment kind of exemplifies that; they're not a person even after they've lost weight.
this is so true and I literally went from skinny-fat to very thin because of life and moving more thanks to work, and I didn’t felt like a human being I just felt like a thin being
It's so personally damaging and socially irresponsible to recognise you're "bullying" yourself and to immediately validate it as necessary to an audience. "Really HATE myself but it keeps me skinny ✌🏻🤪" literally that mindset. We learn those things in childhood to cope with situations out of our control - they're a sign we're feeling that way again. That voice isn't you, it's not right about you. You are valued, loved and worthy of love and respect. Harmful language is never helpful, ok or justifiable. Stay safe everyone xx
it made me so sad to see the clip of that girl talking to herself like that... my immediate thought was "oof, her parents probably talked to her like that when she was younger or maybe her bullies at school" :///
one thing i think often gets left out of the mukbang conversation is that a lot of korean people who diet (especially women) often share that *they watch mukbangs to help them diet*, to vicariously experience a meal or some food they're denying themselves during their diet. in the west, mukbangs are seen as being some loneliness cure, which, sure, that can be true but it's also because korea is also a hugely beauty-obsessed society that's still really deep into diet culture, so it's more mainstream for people to be restricting what foods they eat and obsessing over the foods they deny themselves.
BTS member Jimin also talked about doing this. They generally talk a lot about dieting and their weights but at least the guys have the option to get praised for getting muscular. The beauty standard for women in east Asia is basically: as skinny as possible without looking sick.
Would love to see what exactly is Nickocado Avocados social expirement results. What was he conducting by embarrassing himself on TH-cam, harassing Stephanie Soo, and leaking a photo of his inflamed arse 😭
It wasn't a social experiment. He just exploited the situation, he made fetish content, playing it off as a lolcow. he was vegan before all of it, and i've heard a nutritionist/dietician (something like that). He just knew what he was doing and did it with a purpose of $ and views. This is his attempt at coming back without that stuff attached, playing his behavior as some ha ha silly persona "always one step ahead."
@kellygugie7614 100% agreed. He's just acting like it was all just some social experiment to pretend like he had the upperhand in some game when there was nothing to what he did except be super weird and gross.
@@oomay1925my gov/econ teacher did a similar thing where he claimed he did a social experiment just so he wouldn’t have to actually do his job. He barely ever taught class and then one day declared that him not doing his job was actually a social experiment to see if we’d call him out on it and claimed we were all lazy. I straight up told him that I just figured he was useless
ok tbf tho abt the leaked nudes, nick has talked at length abt how it was very emotionally distressing for him and that he has historically kept his OF and mukbang channel separate bc it was an intimate space to him. its pretty dehumanizing to have private photos leaked and then have the whole internet demonizing you for it and making you feel disgusting and subhuman all bc of your conventionality, or lack thereof. unless its been revealed that he leaked it himself but that doesnt justify the way ppl treated him for it or the way we collectively have made nick's body a site of spectacle and ethical posturing.
ice spice and doja was more of a black male gaze and black beauty standards as now their preferences weren't accessible for objectification and sexualisation it wasn't really for body positivity imo.
Truly and genuinely shocking how much the Internet has propped stupid people up enough to give them a voice we all have to hear, god bless you for managing to stomach all this (pun very much intended)
I litterally had to delete tiktok because of how much it was triggering me to dig a deeper hole in my ED(restrictive) while im supposed to be in recovery and made me litterally hope one day id be hospitalized. It was so hard to do especially since i was already addicted to it and everyone around me uses tiktok and see you as a nerd if you dont have it(Im 14). Honestly deleting tiktok was a breath of fresh air, also because of the amount of unrealistic beauty standards there are. Honestly i just think its best for those struggling to just get off social media. Ive never felt better with myself after getting off tiktok.
i’m 21 and i had to delete tik tok because it became too addictive i was on it before it was even called tik tok. i was so addicted that i went back and forth with it for a while before i deleted it for good. don’t let what others think stop you from making good decisions for your mental health. i’m happy that at such a young age you can identify the problem and find a solution for yourself.
I'm glad you're doing better, but you don't need to put a trigger warning over the fact that you simply mentioned ED. You might as well put a trigger warning for your trigger warning because you said "ED" up there also, y'know? Take care of yourself, have healthy habits, things will pan out in the big picture, and that's what really matters!
I deleted tiktok a month ago for the same reason. It was becoming too much and it also affected me, in my late 20s. I found myself reverting to old habits. Glad to be rid of it as well
@@michaelhaydenbell Oh, sorry I didnt realize😭 I thought people would attack me if I didnt put a TW since I've been around pressed people😥 And Thank you🥰❤
Cycles of history repeating themselves. Back in the 90s and early 2000s, fat shaming was the norm and thin was seen as basically the only acceptable way to be and no one was afraid to say it. Sounds like maybe that’s a cycle we’re going back to. I’m not glamorizing it, though. I’ve had body image issues my whole life.
I watched Devil Wears Prada recently,and it was so ridiculous & funny how Anne Hathaway's character was referred to as ' fat' all the time 🤣🤦♀️... like seriously. But I guess it highlighted the crazy distorted beauty standards @the time . These trends on the internet & in society is always one extreme to another. Both are unhealthy & bad. And it confirms it's all about balance and good health, obesity & anorexia are both wrong.
I was literally just talking about companies low balling calories on their packaging today!! I had no idea my whole life that a serving size of Mr noodles (43g 190 cal) was only half of the package 🥲 I used to eat 2 packs and still be hungry. Thankfully I gave up a lot of processed and convenience foods but it irks me that companies can get away with it
Fr I wish they could put calories for the whole thing 😭 I know with chips it’s harder but they’ll put the calorie count for “5 chips” which can be so misleading
@@UhohSofia in most places they put calories per 100 gram, so you kinda have to do a bit of math, but it's leagues better than "per serving" and a serving is some arbitrary thing like "3 bites" they felt will make the numbers look good
Ngl I'm really scared if people going back to toxic thin scares me, but overeating is also big problem. I wish people just stop idolize body type and understand every body is different and move on
this all makes me so sad, because these girls absolutely would NOT (i hope) talk this way to someone they like. the self hatred is so evident, and it makes me so sad that society at large consistently makes people feel this way, and in a way they have no choice but to project that back onto others. i’m plus sized, and no amount of exercise, diet, etc will change that due to medical conditions. i work out and eat right, and it doesn’t change anything about my size, and i even tried wegovy for a bit but had to come off because it made me ridiculously ill. i used to be dramatically underweight before the medical conditions, and the bullying i received on both sides has always been ridiculous, but the worst part is the fact that if i had been either size just FIVE YEARS APART, the bullying probably would’ve decreased dramatically. bodies as a trend is absolutely disgusting, and i hope one day we can all collectively move past it, but damn. damn.
The most important part of this issue is the fact that these influencers are teaching impressionable young people, mostly teen girls, how to have an eating disorder. Those tik toks are literally just video format of pro ana tumblr posts. We can't make these content creators stop, but having this conversation and actually gearing it towards their demographic of impressionable kids and teens is so extremely important. Those anti smoking ads from like +10 years ago that used to scare the shit out of us really worked for a lot of kids when they had those going around, and maybe something like that could help for this. having an honest conversation about how eating disorders can fuck up your body permanently and how your brain works, and dispelling the fake aesthetic control the thinfulencers eating disorders try to promise.
It’s fascinating how both over and under eating are pretty big “trends” (for lack of a better word) right now. I was pretty deep into pro ana/mia tumblr and forms in my teens and the last year I have had a major relapse into my ed. Oddly enough many seem to be relapsing right now. Personally I think this weird mess of food content is because people gained over lockdown and now a couple years later are thinking “okay maybe time to do something”. The cost of food is really high right now too so what can people afford to eat? Watching people over consume what you can’t because of diet or money would explain the uptick in eating content while also seeing a lot of diet an exercise content. Binge eating is also the most common ed type but restrictive types are more visible. The internet is a lot smaller in a way than it was when I was involved in pro ana/mia forms so it seems what used to be kept to the forms is now just being posted on main for everyone to see.
thank you for talking about this! the combination of sugar and fat in food is literally not found in nature. it is so addictive!!!!! and the fact that the us government allows these "foods" to be sold and be advertised to children is disgusting. ultraprocessed foods are the modern day cigarettes.
Healthy will never be out of style. Skinny is different because it can mask itself as healthy but it’s hard to attain health, so people just become skinny and it mimics the beauty standard of health which is biologically wired into us to view as attractive.
that's simply not true it's deeply not biological it's societal. there were times when fat ppl were the beauty standard bc it meant those ppl were rich enough to eat food everyday. society is the one who tells everyone skinny ppl are prettier than fat ppl. yes this has been the trend of the last 3 decades but that is deeply not how beauty standards worked through all of humanity.
People still refer to tumblr as peak ED culture (which was well earned, don’t get me wrong). I still see commentary videos where people treat tumblr like it’s still the epicenter of online pro ana communities. But the last time I stumbled into pro ana tumblr spaces, the top post was one saying how joining those spaces should be a personal choice, and you should never pressure someone into being pro ana because it’s incredibly unhealthy. PRO ANA PAGES were posting about how starvation will always be more unhealthy then eating, even overeating is leagues better then starving yourself. It was a very weird combination of toxic and healthy, like a chain smoker who tells you off for smoking. There’s huge pressure to tag things correctly and use appropriate trigger warnings, and in general tumblr is a much better site at letting you avoid content you don’t want to see. Anyways, I think we’ve gotten to the point that people need to stop thinking about tumblr when they think of ED content, because for awhile now, TikTok has been the epicenter of it. Not only are more young people there, but video content has fundamentally changed how ED culture is online. Additionally, the algorithm of TikTok makes it so much harder to avoid that content. Some people still treat TikTok ED content as tumblr stuff but on a different platform, and I think that’s a mistake to ignore just how different those two sites are, and how that changes the way ED content manifests.
Recently I lost bunch of weight because of side effects of my antidepressants (losing appetite), and gained it again once I got off them and started eating more healthy. I immediately started feeling worse because my body wasn't the "beauty standart" anymore, even though I constantly felt tired and weak when I was on my medication. Now I started to take my antidepressants again and again lost some weight, and now I constantly hear from people that I started to look more pretty and "aesthetic", so its kinda heartbreaking when my sick body on medications is more "beautiful" when my healthy natural body
in 7th grade i struggled with binge eating, but i got better. however, i struggled with body image and hated myself, so i started restricting and ⭐️ving myself in 8th grade until now. now i’ve started binging again but now i restrict a lot on the days i don’t binge. it’s a viscous cycle and had ruined the last of my childhood and beginning of my teenage years. honestly, the internet played the biggest part in it, but has also helped so so much in recovery.
I was inpatient at Stanford and UCLA pediatric ED units for 6 months total when I was 14 in 2008, and had multiple weekly appointments for all of my highschool experience including having to audit half of freshman year. I crashed my first night in, and was told if I wasn't brought in that day, I wouldn't have woken up the next morning. I'd wake up unable to move my arms or legs they were so dead it took laying there tensing my muscles for a couple minutes to even get the pins and needles before I could move and feel them. I relapsed properly the summer before college, was nearly sectioned and nearly couldn't go. I was as deep in the proana culture as it's possible to be. My body will forever look big to me because I remember years of being dangerously underweight, and hearing I looked "healthy" or "better" would send me into a spiral. The calorie calculator in my head still never misses. I only truly started to improve from disordered eating a la orthorexia and restricting when I got pregnant with my eldest at 24, and was told point blank my baby had more risks becuase of my weight and deficiencies. Once I realized I wasn't fainting as much, had more energy, and wasn't getting sick as often, I kept going once he was born and haven't been underweight since. Because it wasn't about me anymore. The damage to my heart is done, though, and I will never be able to exercise and faint regularly still as part of the muscle died. To see this culture start to come back truly worries me. I will always tend toward self-loathing and perfectionism, but I saw 3 people die while in hospital. And more people I knew inpatient have died since then than fully recovered. Every few years something will pop up on fb with a memorial, and I realize how lucky I am. But what they say about it being like an addiction is true, it's always there cropping up when I get stressed and need control. It will always be there, and I will always need to ignore it every day. Seeing this become popular again will only add to that for so many.
The binge eating part just made me cry, because I've been going through binge eating disorder for the past 3 years as an impact from depression & past trauma. It's not as easy as what people said, because it's not only about food, but it's about the mental state where we fight the demon inside our head that kept saying "you're ruined already", "you won't get better".
Liv Schimdt's fans will consistently say "oh you're just fat" or LITERALLY TELL ME TO KMS in extremely graphic ways when I say I disagree with the message she sends, it's so fucked up
This is such a good video honestly, I love how both sides are shown and neither are praised as being better or worse. Overeating and under eating are both unhealthy but it’s nice that the thoughts processes and trauma behind them were considered too 🥰
Crumbl cookies have a very huge amount of sugar, but you can absolutely treat yourself once a while. Also such language is definitely from the hyper thin ana culture. I was around the tumblr times (as a child) and used to say such things without understanding how hurtful it is.
@@alexk7937 to paraphrase, she had said that hitler wasn’ta bad guy(or something like that) and something else about cancer. Look up a video on her, there’s some people on youtube that have done the research.
Electrolytes dont make you full. What is she talking about. Feeling full comes from your stomach expanding and weighing more. Electrolytes have to do with nerves firing and muscle contractions, pH and other stuff. She is clearly full of it. She is right about water. People dont drink even CLOSE to the amount of water that is necessary to function. I swear I rarely meet someone who isnt clearly dehydrated, and also that people if you drink water you will feel like your IQ is going up. Your brain NEEEEEEDS it. Your blood needs it. Your everything needs it. CEEELLLLLLS. But yeah people dont exercise. Find a way to be on your feet doing something physical. You dont gotta go jogging every day. But you need to do something manual that keeps you moving a bit. Work on your yard. Build a shed.
Don't know if you actually take electrolytes, I take them on the weekend since I run and cycle pretty long distances, and from experience it most definitely diminishes my appetite to eat. You're right it doesn't make you full but at least for me it makes it a challenge for me to get through all the protein I need to be consuming in a day without leaving a lot of eating until the end of the day because I simply don't want to eat.
@@phoebecross8514 That's interesting. It might be caused by something else though because you're getting like endorphins and stuff when you're exercising and endorphins don't necessarily make you want to eat. I just remember being in the hospital for a long time and not being able to keep food down. I also had super super low electrolytes so I was like spasming and chucking things for no reason, and and before and after getting infusions of electrolytes I was equally hungry. And it wasn't like I was eating nothing so it's like I could have felt full I guess but yeah the electrolytes didn't fix it.
i legit didn’t realize how dehydrated i was until i got a reusable water bottle and the way i have to keep it on me and carry it 24/7 to stay truly hydrated is crazy. if you’re not carrying a water bottle you’re most likely dehydrated that’s how much water your body needs 😭
I worked as a sleepaway camp counselor this summer and the ways girls would talk about their bodies was so upsetting. The food at the dining hall was really good, so it is normal for people at camp to eat a bit more than they usually do. However, the girls would make so many comments about how they needed to exercise to compensate for the amount of food they were eating. They would say things like, "I had three servings at dinner, so I better go for a run now." or "I have to wake up extra early to work out since I've been eating so much." Of course they would also say "My back is getting so big from being here." Mind you, even though they may have been eating a little bit more than usual, they were certainly not eating excessive amounts of food. My coworkers and I had to explain to them that this mindset is unhealthy and they are allowed eat a bit differently during the three short weeks they are at camp. Additionally it's not like your body can even undergo drastic changes in just 3 weeks.
I've seen kids that are like 10 years old refusing to eat because they fear that they'll get fat. This toxic trend is just throwing fuel to a fire. ED's have existed since forever, but now they seem to be getting even more common especially among kids and young teens and it's terrifying!
1) I wish that people would stop saying that the body positivity movement "failed." It was not a race or a competition with the thin obsessed culture. While yes, people who complain about heavier people who want to lose weight should be addressed, body positivity still had a positive effect on society at large. 2) People with a BED get less respect and more hatred from society at large than someone with annorexia, orthorexia or even bulimia in general, as people assume that it's a problem with an "easy solution."
Finding out Liv Schmidt and KingKrabbyPatfy both went to U of A!!! There is something about Arizona and specifically Tucson I swear. I got SO SMALL at school because everyone was tiny there. The Tucson U of A effect needs to be studied for real
Just to add to the Adele conversation- I agree it’s pretty twisted to chastise someone for losing weight. I also believe people need to think before they praise weight loss too heavily, when we don’t know the why or how. Generally it’s just so weird that we feel entitled to discuss the bodies of people we don’t know?? Or even those we do know, when they haven’t invited the conversation. I feel like we need to de-normalize that lmao.
i do also think many people were just like, expressing a sense of loss over losing important representation in the mainstream, and people turned that into "the fat acceptance movement HATES adele for losing weight!!!1!" (ik there were people lashing out at her which is not acceptable , but i do think some people just felt hurt & expressed it in a bad way rather than actually believing adele owes them anything or that her losing weight means she's fatphobic. obv there are probably some weirdos like that though)
Well-done vid, I really wish I could leave thinspo shit in 2014 Tumblr but as a middle school teacher without Tiktok, I feel like I gotta watch stuff like this to see what my students are inundated with daily :/
While posting pro-ED content is not the answer, I do understand the point you made about how you believe people like Liv Schmidt and kingkrabbypatty are kind of a response to excessively PC culture. There is no room for genuine self-expression anymore, especially in progressive circles. Take body positivity: if you ever expressed that you wanted to lose weight, or wished you were skinny, you were vilified. They denied people-women specifically-their true thoughts and feelings, and shamed them for having them. But you can’t expect someone on the internet saying “love yourself” to suddenly undo all the diet culture brainwashing you’ve been subjected to all your life. The body positivity movement asked for too much too quickly, burned itself out, and only hurt women by policing and censoring them even more in the process. And I feel this way about a lot of things. Even social media platforms are getting worse with forced censoring. We can’t say words like dead, suicide, murder, sex, or even lesbian because those words get flagged as “offensive” or “sexually explicit” when they’re just…normal terminology???? And people are getting sick of having to use stupid, almost insulting synonyms to get around it. I think we’re really burning out on not being able to just talk freely and express ourselves properly. And unfortunately this leads to a swing in the opposite direction, to the other extreme, rather than a healthy middle ground. It’s very frustrating.
It's honestly why I like body neutrality and giving ourselves grace. You don't gotta be positive or love yourself 100% of the time. Faking it doesn't help. But if we can take care of ourselves regardless of if we love or thing positive of our body, then its a huge win. Bc the extreme shame or extreme positivity wo it feeling authentic/real helps noone and is what def makes me cycle in yoyo weight nonsense.
i had a friend with an ed (we dont talk anymore but from what she posts she seems to have gotten a lot better) and she used to constantly ask me how she looked. i hated these conversations because no matter what i said it fueled her ed. if i told her she looked scarily thin it was encouraging to her, if i told her she looks normal she felt insulted and worked even harder to lose weight, and if i refused to answer she took it as confirmation that she was fat. no winning scenario im so glad she's better now
As a 13 year old girl with extremely disordered eating, there is nothing good about binge eating and disordered eating. Thank you for talking abt how bad these trends are.
For me, I eat healthy and exercise but I’m still not very thin. I’m just an average weight, but I’m healthy and I feel amazing in my body which is what really matters. I used to be underweight and unfit, and I felt really bad in my body despite looking the way people expect a ‘healthy’ woman to look. I was tired all the time, I felt weak and had a lot of nutrition deficiencies. I was going through severe depression at the time and didn’t care enough to eat enough food or take care of myself, which is a very difficult situation. When I finally was feeling ok enough to start going for walks, it felt amazing. I started going for jogs after a while, and I was getting hungrier because of the exercise so I started making myself proper meals. I’ve put on weight since then, I’m not as skinny as I was but there is no questioning that I am healthier and happier. Looking skinny doesn’t matter if you are miserable and unhealthy, take care of yourself ladies!
Everyone has a different body type, but being skeleton-skinny or morbidly obese is not a natural body type-it's usually a choice, unless caused by a medical condition, which is rare. People with a healthy relationship with food see it primarily as fuel, occasionally as a treat. These individuals typically stay within their natural weight range without much effort, whether they're on the lower, upper, or middle end of that range. To me, this is what "different body types" mean. In this range, people can improve their physique through exercise, but the key is maintaining a healthy relationship with food and accepting your natural body type. Trying to be super skinny when 5-10 kg more is healthier doesn't make sense.
I am much older than you and I really appreciate how level headed you are. I don't know how you came up in my algorithm but I have been subscribed a while now. Your videos are always high quality and interesting. Thanks ❤
I still want the skinny. Being chubby doesn't look good on me and diabetes runs in my family and I don't wanna make it worst for myself for when I get older eventually.... But being snatched is the best bonus to have as it's how I wanna look and it's all better for my health too.
I'm currently on a weight loss journey, and I've lost about 21lbs in the last 2 and half months, so many people in my family don't like it because I'm much slimmer and not as curvy as I once was. I'm in college and over the last 3 years I gained 30lbs and got to a very curvy body type. I was thick and fine but i was not healthy so this summer I decided to lose weight and i did the calorie deficit and eating in moderation. I've gotten back to the size I was in high school pretty slender and slim. My moms friends wanted to call me a bobble head because of my weightloss. I've also noticed how men look at me now too is different and that that black men don't talk to me at all compared to other races of men because I'm smaller. I feel in the black community we value thickness over health, and people in my life think that I was healthier being as thick as I was at 200lbs even though I had a hard time working out, my clothes were not fitting, and I was constantly inflammed from all the junk I was eating. Since losing weight I feel much lighter obv and I don't hurt as much. I wish black people did not police black women into thinking that we have to always be thick, there are many black women in this world who are skinny and thats fine.
This is part of the reason why I deleted Instagram and TikTok. It’s this problem of general overconsumption. The content is all about extremes, extreme eating (or lack thereof), extreme consumerism (purchasing new clothes, decor, reinventing yourself to fit an ✨aesthetic✨). Like you said content creators feel like they have to go to the extreme to get views. It’s just kind of exhausting and overwhelming to watch…
i really enjoyed the way u presented this -- it can be so difficult to say anything bcos food, body image, and health are so personal with lots of different factors influencing it
You look great! It was cool when you started talking about fitness I was happy and excited for you - because I'm a big gym rat. And god only gave me one body so I'll make it as healthy and fit as I can. And it's fun doing it.
I have BED. I had to diagnose it, then went to a psychiatrist because my go didn’t get it. I would be in locust mode where, if I wasn’t constantly eating, I would be anxious and/or angry until the episode passed. Once it passed, I felt bloated, sick, and ashamed at my “weakness”. I’m now on medication that helps to control it
"Not coddling" someone with an ed? When does anyone do that? Do people realize that bringing ANY attention to a person with an ED's body - good or bad - is going to make them worse!? Omg...
the most disturbing aspect of it all to me is the whole narrative about your worth being linked to how skinny you are etc, plus now i've seen accounts that promote ed push a victim narrative like "y'all bully me cause i'm skinny and you're jaleous but won't admit it" "you're just mad that we're not promoting obesity" like ugh
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this is the equivalent of me going into a starbucks and getting mad at the employee for the prices, or the humanitarian issues. be so fr, people need money to survive and it’s common knowledge that a pretty big chunk of the income content creators generate comes from brand deals.
@moonlitdreams-7266 oh shut uppp no its not at all youtubers taking sponsorships from shitty and sketchy brands is a real problem that they need to stop doing . scentbird lady specifically is insane and actively puts the money she makes from her company back into her crazy ass beliefs . youtubers need to do basic levels of research before accepting any cash grab as tons of classic sponsors (scentbird, hellofresh, betterhelp) are scams or just cash grabs
I do think we should care to an extent if regular healthy people are using Ozempic for weight loss, mostly because there is still a shortage of the drug. It, IMO, should be reserved for those who need it such as diabetics, or even those who are obese due to a ghrelin-related hormonal inbalance.
Yes! It has been linked to deaths as well. I have been told by my PCP that my insurance won't cover it because I am not diabetic. Yet when I was getting screened for endocrine issues, it was the first thing the doctor at the weight loss center suggested. And another time it happened too. It is SO new, no evidence of long term use in the general population, and yet It's viewed as a magic bullet
8:46 most of the time they aren't aware they have disordered eating thoughts. From their perspective, they are in the right, there's no obsession, no excess, that's their normal.
Social media ruined my perception of health so much 😭I know I'm overweight and I need to lose fat but every time I try to do it I always end up doing it only for aesthetic reasons and hating myself and my current body. Really wish I could do fat loss healthily
I do understand why people sort of reject what they perceive as “the body positivity movement going too far” but i really think it’s important for people to see their body as being valid/beautiful regardless of their size. i wish as society we could stop perpetuating that skinny = healthy or beautiful. If you want to lose weight you should do it for your health, not because you want to look “good.”
I agree, but disagree. I look better when I’m slimmer. But my main focus was being healthier tho! You can look how you want but make health the priority:)!
I still believe in the body positivity movement. It's what I live by. Is it perfect? No. Some people who claim to be body-positive shame people with smaller bodies or larger people losing weight, etc which is so wrong. But for the most part the community is good. You deserve to love yourself no matter your size
I definitely binge eat when things at school get tough. I downed a chick-fil-a sandwich with fries after I didn’t do well on my physics test even though I packed my own lunch. I was so mad with myself but it made me feel good in the moment
The whole crumbl thing is honestly why I believe that everyone at least for 1 short period in their lives should count calories. I used to think my eating wasn't that crazy and I work out all the time and couldn't figure out why I wasn't losing weight. I now count calories off and on and it's helped me to really see what I was eating and how big my portions were. It also caused me to look twice when I saw 180 calories for a big a** cookie. Like with my experience I just knew that didn't make sense and so I looked further and saw that it was 4 servings. I still eat crumbl from time to time cause I freaking LOVE their cookies but, I only eat half in one day. I usually wait at least a day before I eat the second half lol.
I’ve struggled with both sides of the ED spectrum most of my adult life. I lost about 50lbs when I entered adulthood and I never felt like I could lose enough. Then during covid I couldn’t stop eating my feelings away. These people starving themselves/eating boxes of cookies at a time is everywhere. I cant imagine what would happen if I wasn’t stable. I’m old enough to be at peace but I now have a daughter and I fear for her image of herself when she gets older. I focus on telling her how beautiful she is no matter what she looks like. I want her to know, that as long as she is healthy, nothing else matters.
This is my first time seeing your channel and you are a very introspective person. I genuinely watched the entire video and enjoyed your take on everything. ❤ I got severely sick earlier this year after I had a surgery for my wisdom teeth. And it caused me to lose nearly 20+ lbs and I felt horrible throughout my entire recovery because I couldn’t eat and had lost a lot of the fat on my body that “looking skinny” didn’t make me feel great at all. I missed just how healthy I looked before that I was in this weird headspace trying to understand someone how had an ED, but ofc I didn’t. Eventually, I regained my appetite after spending weeks working up to it and going on light walks to build my strength again and because I couldn’t stomach any processed food my family made me high protein/fiber meals. Now it’s been months and I’ve gained all my weight back and I’ve been able to treat myself to some fast food and sweets. But I feel much better knowing that I kind of had a “cleanse” from process foods. I would have to agree that both ends of the spectrum are pretty toxic and do nothing for actually addressing mental health and how being fat or skinny does not change that fact that mental health is important. Listening to your body is what saved me… I wish others would do the same.
Those crumble cookies have to be nothing but oil and sugar for that calorie count. Personally my method with sweet stuff is I have to make it at home or only when on vacation. Make it more special and mean something.
They used body positivity during my ed treatment and my mind and body have never been healthier I even lost 120 lbs without trying. I eat healthy all the time not because I want to lose weight but because I want to take care of myself. Now sweet foods don't appeal to me at all because it tastes too sweet.
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Super confused how you don't know about this being a horrible look. Please tell me you're not deleting comments cuz I'm sure I'm only echoing what others have said yet I strangely see zero replies to this. If somehow you DIDN'T know then you should prolly check it out seriously, just saying.
@@michaelhaydenbell yo i literally commented too and now its gone
@@michaelhaydenbell she’s defo deleting them, i said it nicely and not in a hate way, literally said i love her at the end of that comment
@@michaelhaydenbell and her deleting comments def goes against everything she always preaches :/
When you said it's not all about how your body looks, it's about how your body feels, that applies to your brain. Your brain is part of your body and if it is hating itself..... that is not healthy.
Yes!!!!
And it’s like the snake eating itself because it’s all connected. If you don’t properly eat, your brain shrinks from malnutrition if it’s severe enough. If you don’t eat any antioxidants or fats your brain power suffers. then your brain becomes even more dysfunctional and the self talk gets worse and worse. Your mood is not stable because you’re not taking care of your body.
It’s a snowball effect. not liking your body and mistreating it harms your brain and if you fuel your bad habits with self hatred there’s never gonna be an end goal in sight because you’ll just want to punish yourself more and more and you become more afraid of food and change.
Exactly. Me hating myself led to me overeating, and only when I figured out how to reduce calorie consumption and body fat did I also learn how to love myself. The excess body fat and poor diet contributed heavily to my mental health issues. And I also learned that just because I liked home-cooked meals didn't mean my diet wasn't still poor. Now I eat and cook with intention, and life has become so much better.
yeah, i said in my own comment that these girls wouldn’t speak this way to someone they like. that’s how you talk to someone you hate. that’s how you bully.
it’s sad to see, and i really wish our mental healthcare system was better, because the stigma around this shit is just creating a horrible cycle a lot of us will never get out of.
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i’m glad that this is getting talked about!! thank god tiktok wasn’t around when i was a middleschooler with heavily disordered eating
Right!! This content would have made me think I had to try harder at my anorexia.... it's frightening
dude tiktok was around when i was a middlechooler and it was actually so bad for me
If u think tiktok is scary, u haven't been on 2010s ED tumblr obviously 😂😂
@@stefaniashefer3096I was on tumblr back in those times and tbh tiktok is worse. On tumblr you had to search for that content at least a little bit. Tiktok and instagram reels (especially the latter) throw ED content in random people's "recommended for you" feeds. I have no interest in ED content and yet they showed me that a couple of times.
@@stefaniashefer3096 and even before blogs!! ED was a big thing in the early 2000's. I am older that must of you.
“My dad’s a gastrinologist” she says…I don’t believe her, mainly because if her dad were a GI specialist he would be a gastroenterologist…
I noticed this too 😂
you would also think he knows losing more than 3 pounds a week is very unhealthy and youre basically lose water weight and muscle tissue. and also that lechtin is essential for our cells
Well she also brought up "dr" Gundry as a source....so maybe her dad is a "gastrinologist" lol
Lmao right? I've seen enough of them as an IBS girly 😭
@@lheem839no it isn't, lectins are awful for your gut😂
There’s a video from another creator called “Glowing up ruined my life” and it’s raw, sad and amazing. She documents her struggles with the difference between weight loss and being healthy. Worth a watch to see someone’s pov
Alivia
I would recommend to take that creator’s words with a grain of salt. She’s always talking about things like she’s overcome them and learned from them but she is also young and is currently experiencing life, every change seems to be a revolution in her world. She gained and lost weight twice, that’s all really. Throughout our lives we all have to find a lifestyle that works for us and keeps us happy and healthy, which might mean having all kinds of ups and downs, including weight gain/loss.
oh I loved that video. yes. really a great description of what obsession with skinny-ness and societal beauty does to your life and brain.
Shes Alivia d'andrea on youtube
@@nia3934 she does portray herself in a certain way, like I wouldn't actually call her content very raw because it is highly curated and the voiceovers scripted, BUT she does talk about an important issue and does make good points, and most of all pretty damn healthy points so it doesn't invalidate what she is saying just because she may not be over all her issues (no one is tbh).
I had anorexia in college and can 100% agree on the fact that telling anorexic people that they look concerningly thin just feeds into their problem. I knew I had anorexia and didn't care and honestly had a little bit of a mean girls attitude about it. People commenting on my concerning appearance made me feel not only successful in becoming thin, but also fed into my attention seeking behavioral cycle where I needed other's concern in order to feel validated. Do not interact with anorexic people about their anorexia. They will get better if they want to when they want to.
I was in a similar situation. Anorexia is so tough because it’s nearly impossible to help someone you know without feeding into their problem.
amazing insight, thank you!
“I’m an expert because my dad is a doctor”. That’s nice, dear, that you’ve seemingly detached yourself completely from reality.
She even got the specialty wrong 😭
If that's the case I can run an entire cities water and waste water plant on my own because my dad and my husband can. Now we should start this as a trend hahaha oh and I'm a lawyer because I did one class in high-school and my cousin is a lawyer
there was a girl in my high school who was like this. we got different answers on a group assignment in physics once and when i pointed out the part she did wrong she got so mad at me. she kept being like “my parents are scientists i know what i’m doing! >:(“ like cool your parents are scientists. you’re still bad at math.
Dog piling anyone on the internet with an eating disorder has NEVER worked historically. Think of Eugenia Cooney or Amberlynn Reid. The bullying and constant comments just makes them dig their heels in harder, when will yall learn this
Nikocado avocado and Tammy Slaton have. People who were never going to change won't change anyway.
@@taylorhillard4868So, if shaming works on a small minority of people with EDs it's justified?
@@taylorhillard4868Bad examples tbh. People need to be ready for change. Tammy wanted to change. I mean, she went on a weigh loss show. But back then, she wasn't ready to change. Nicocado on the other hand made money from the outrage he caused and still does. He put on a show for money. It was always more about money and fame.
Eugenia, wanted to change, tried to change, but has relapsed. It is disrespectful to just say "people who were never going to change, never will" when we talk about mental illnesses like this.
@@xerxestheimmortal1 no, I'm saying that it's not a relevant factor as to whether or not they recover. Amberlynn Reid and Eugenia were never going to get better, regardless of whether or not they were online seeing comments or not. They're not doing what they're doing because they're "digging in thier heels" it's because they don't want to change.
@@taylorhillard4868 would you say that to an alcoholic who has relapsed? Or a shopaholic who hasn't completely changed their ways? Like seriously, making a change requires will, but also a lot more. And food addiction as well as eating disorder are difficult cases.
Want, is part one. Then comes why how, when, and doubts, successes, failures, support or lack of it. And then finally, maintenence, which includes all of these.
can't believe people really thought an entire crumbl cookie was 180-200 calories.. surely you would take one bite and realize that they're not
Some people have no clue how many calories are in foods. Tbh, that may be to their advantage, but still, people should be aware of what goes into their food. cooking and baking has really opened my eyes to what is actually needed to achieve restaurant/bakery quality food
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Yeah as someone who's sensitive to sugar, I would take one bite and pass out, but some people are more likely to consume a lot of sugar without instantly feeling sick. I think it's a genetic thing.
A lot of people are desensitized to sugar and have no idea about calories. My dad thought that pralines had like 5-10 kcal each. He was shocked when I told him it's more like 50-100!
i truly TRULY resented BBL culture but f me I didn’t realise how lucky I had it back then as a curvy girl in terms of my body being somewhat accepted 😭
It’s unfortunate that the body “trends” always fluctuates between stick thin and thick but still thin bc unfortunately thin is always in even if it is to the detriment of the person
@@Jade_Crane Yeah it sucks.... and also why is it always WOMEN'S bodies that go in and out of fashion.
@@Jade_Crane having boobs and a butt is also ALWAYS in
@@Jade_CraneI only ever seen black dudes with bbl women. That’s why the trend went out honestly.. Most men will look because… it’s there!😂 But Thin and fit will always be in. It’s universal
Yes but they'll never make having a proportionate fupa a trend!
If I was more on TikTok a few years ago I’d be in a much worse spot in my recovery than I am today. Period. Being kind to yourself is sick as fuck girls I highly recommend it
Hell yeah
Best of luck in recovery, you got this!
Same here! Deleted that shitshow 2021.
love that for us. Good luck on ur wayyy. We eating this shit up
I’m super into the gym and go because 1. I feel more confident in my appearance 2. Feeling less helpless especially as a woman and 3. I feel better mentally and physically. But I avoid a lot of the gym content on tiktok etc because there are so many unrealistic expectations being set, and I know I’d have to develop unhealthy eating habits to look the way they do. Not all, but a lot of them can really cause a spiral into disordered eating.
I agree! And it is difficult to not compare yourself to everybody else on the app
years ago, i was obsessed with those WEIAD & gym videos like crazyyy. I’d watch those & all the fear mongering about food groups and whatever stuff to avoid all day and drive myself absolutely nuts. i’m in a much better spot mentally now though (:
I go off and on back into the gym, if i can ask - how do you stay so motivated? i go for maybe 3 weeks straights, see results, and then slowly stop going for a few months and the cycle starts over
I workout only at home but working out ,,simply so‘ is cool but lot of workouts are clickbaits to expect very low body fat% and guess what? Proteins and co doesn’t work instantly so it’s temptation to ⭐️ve your body, faster and ,,smarter‘
omg this!! I started going this year to improve my health / overall mood and when I started looking for tips on how to do exercises correctly etc on instagram my algorithm quicky became diet culture content?? I ended up just removing myself from a lot of it but it is crazy how a lot of gym culture online is so heavy tied to restrictive eating.
When I started gaining large amounts of weight in my adolescence, nobody tried to figure out why. They just told me to go on a diet and lose weight. I had a binge eating disorder and the medication I was on caused weight gain
damn.... its the exact same for me. I never got a formal ED diagnoses, but idk if i can just go see my family doctor and tell her i think i have an ED. I'm a young adult now but i feel like my disorders are worse than before
@@elsa7594can you get access to online therapy? Or at least watch content of people recovering? I wish you the best
I feel that even when I have(ONLY restrictive ED) my ED is not valid. I am normalweight and want to look really other way but it‘s not so fast or simple
How people could ever stand to sit and watch a Nickocado video even as a hate watch is BEYOND me
fr tho!! he’s an attention seeker, he got exactly what he wanted
@@kaitsenpai Idk how anyone saw what he did as anything more than extreme performance art. He set out to prove that people are piggies for horrific content slop, and he did.
Thinfluencers remind me of those alpha male podcasters. Their attitude towards ppl different from them are so ugly and it tells a lot about their character imo
also on the note of body positivity, I agree that it went to an extreme end for a lot of the internet but the answer to that shouldn't be to retaliate in an equally toxic way? I'm personally hoping the pedulum between these things can meet a more neutral point eventually to where we stop caring so much how people look. That's probably asking a lot tho from the internet 😩
Stems from insecurity, just as the alpha males
@@bawnigan6494I hope body neutrality is the next trend. Loving your body is the best option, but if you can’t do that the next best thing is to accept it the way it is.
@@bawnigan6494”fat activists,” have actively spread disinformation and harassed people over wanting to lose wight or “triggering” them (random tiktok with a thin person eating healthily?)
I feel the same way about all the body positivity folks
My problem with Liz Schmidt and her type of influencers is that they are 2.0 versions of 2012-2014 ano-thight gap tumblr girls who were almost openly promoting ED and starvation. As someone who went through all of this and still is haunted all this "Are you hungry or just thirsty?" or beauty in a skinny body is giving me massive flashbacks. The only difference is that instead of smoking, they promote consumption of insane amount of supplements and essential oil
She literally only posted what she eats in a day.
Since when eating moderately became an ED?
im still on tumblr and i have been for a long time, and ed content never went away honey. its all over, its always been there and it will continue forever because there will always be people who are eating disordered. you can hide it away but its still there.
@@EveRosellAww babes, you think an eating disorder just means not eating literally anything ever? 🥺 + she’s recording you have no idea if she actually ate/eats like that often. But we can have an idea of how she eats by the things she says.
@@unsonnopronfondo"you" have no idea either. stop being bitter, it’s ugly and nasty and makes you unappealing. eating healthy is good for you
god forbid someone posts a "what i eat in a day" vid in this generation💀 she’s not doing anything
2020-2021 was so healing bc of the body positivity movement being taken seriously. now, bigback this and y2k skinny that, its like all that was for nothing. and consumerism is at an all time high. its ironic.
Honestly 2020 was the start of the downhill turn. It was around then that fat acceptance tried to rewrite history and claim the body positivity movement as thier own. They turned good messages that were meant for normal healthy weight people and tried to argue that they still applied for severely morbidly obese bodies. Once that happened people stopped listening to the advice originally meant to promote healthy sizes.
Body positivity was the dam that held back the whole 90s-y2k nonsense for the past decade. Once fat acceptance stole it and turned it into a clown parade, there was nothing left to protect people from the y2k nonsense from returning.
@@taylorhillard4868THISS
@@taylorhillard4868 no, the whole movement didn't get turned into a clown show, socmed picked out specific people who were saying fringe shit that most of the movement doesn't even agree with, and blasted them everywhere, and the world at large was willing to accept devaluing the entire movement because fatphobia is one of the only prejudices that is largely considered socially acceptable.
frankly, 90% of people cannot actually look at a given person and determine whether they are in the medically obese category or the overweight category, and most fat acceptance influencers were not out here posting their exact weight.
people were just selecting targets based on who does and doesn't look attractive to them, as if it's their fundamental right to never ever see a person they think is ugly
@@lilaculots 90% of people don't have eyes? Wow. And perhaps that has to do with how class3 and above obesity have become normal in the states. Peoples perceptions of a healthy body have become so skewed that even those who are already dangerously overfat are perceived as being "thin"
And yes, it has become a clown parade, even your own comment shows this. Because our eyes are a better metric than the BMI to begin with. Because our eyes can catch exceptions that the quick and dirty screening formula can't. Our eyes can see when we are looking at a lean and muscular bodybuilder who's "class 1 obese" but has less than an inch of pinchable fat. And we can also see with our eyes when there's someone with really thin arms and legs in the healthy bmi range who also has 4 inches of pinchable fat. We can see that even though they are in the normal bmi, they have too little muscle and too much fat, both of which we know to be very unhealthy.
This is my point. We know that excess bodyfat is unhealthy. It is an indisputable fact at this point. The research is decades deep and exponentially compounding. It is as close to rock solid as almost anything in science and medicine can be. Yet we still have people who are carrying 2-3 extra people's entire bodyweight trying to say that science is wrong and we shouldn't care about our health.
@taylorhillard4868 yk you didn't have to come up with lies you could've just said you hate fat people and don't see then as human being because one quick little search would tell you that the body positivity movement was started by fat people your hatred is seeping out
A few years ago i was watching mukbangs ONLY for the reason that I was starving myself at that time and it was a way for me to live vicariously through them watching them eat food i wished i could be eating. God am I glad that time is over and I‘m healthy again
That’s the exact same reason I would watch them 😔
Keep up the fight, friend!
Same, thank God my relationship with food is the healthiest now
Yes and I must confess-when in last June and July I to that was extreme poor I was kinda angry about people eating and showing it🤷♀️
@@Oderoderuchteyes but I get it, it‘s really a struggle - i was a upset and angry looooot
I'm in recovery for BED (my one year binge free is the 25th!!!!) and I also have ana, and the difference between how the two disorders are treated is wild, where people come to me with empathy when my anorexia is more obvious, but when I'm struggling with my binging its way more shame based
It’s been over a year!!! Well done ❤❤
@@FoxGlove8 It has!! I wore a party hat and put a candle in a little chocolate to celebrate x)
Thanks, had a bad day so this means a lot
well done! im so proud of you
about "coddling people with eating disorders" i see a lot of people just making fun of anorexics, like joking about their hair fall out, which is fucking disgusting to say about someone who is dying due to a disorder that makes you slowly kill yourself. if you don't want to "coddle" anyone, just fucking ignore them, don't ridicule them
i’m anorexic and i much agree
people talking abt ed spaces just draws more people in
i think it’s much better just to ignore than to respond (either insults or encouragement)
I have an ED and someone told me just talking about it with them was "traumadumping," despite them not indicating that discussing my symptoms was triggering them. We really have no where to discuss this stuff -- my insurance doesn't consider me sick enough to pay for my treatment.
I had anorexia and people stopped being friends with me and mocked me for not eating. It was really hurtful and made me feel worse
@@partytime8092 that sucks, i feel so lucky to have friends who are understanding of it
When I struggled with anorexia someone grabbed my wrist and told me I looked like rat
After I had my daughter I had really bad ppd and had an eating disorder where I just would sit and eat a family pack of oreos every two days, eat fast food everyday and drink ALOT of pop and no healthy food. I gained 70 lbs. Finally I realized what I was doing and started eating healthy and started working out and now I still can't get all the weight off. It's a real thing and effected my overall health so much.❤
i hope ure feeling/doing much better now!! becoming a parent is sometimes so unfathomable to me, its such an enormous change in one's life
im wishing u the best, n a healthy body n mind, for u as well as ur family 💫💫
this is completely understandable! sometimes hormones have a huge factor to play in weight loss. if you’re dieting and exercising and staying consistent and you’re still not seeing results, you should get ur levels checked! it’s a slow but steady process. don’t be discouraged, you got this!
Try counting calories and weigh your food
@favouro6344 yeah I'm not doing that. I've lost most of the weight, I'm not going to be miserable in the process. I love food and counting calories and weighing your food is an eating disorder also.
@@Concioushippie444 you don't have to do it forever. After 3 months you should know how much you should be eating and over time your body will get used to regular portion sizes. I'm just telling you what worked for me.
The thinness culture of the 2000s and 2010s has honestly messed me up, elementary schoolers bullied you if you were fat. I don’t really know if or what weight is “healthy” and in talking with my doctor it turns out health is much more complicated and fluid than this binary of being fat vs being skinny. There are like soooo many factors weight included.
Appreciate the Kiana Docherty clip btw her work is great
More importantly though what you say about empathy towards those with binge eating disorders is VERY IMPORTANT. I was a fat kid and my dad believed in the weight watchers logic of “you can eat anything you want so long as it’s within X calorie range” and he’d portion control my meals which usually left me hungry since the food wasn’t nearly as nutritionally valuable or filling. I’d end up overeating or just emotionally eating by accident since I never knew if the next meal would be enough to feel satiated. Our eating habits and views on excercise are formed and warped by our parents AND the broader society/internet, it’s not your fault you’re just doing your best with what you have.
I also had same experience back in school
I was a young teenager (13-16) with an ed on tumblr and remember feeling so worthwhile when people said I was "too skinny" (as a compliment). I went from being overweight to underweight in less than a year. I went 10 years with an ed and it's done incredible damage on my gut and nervous system. I am very recovered, but can't eat meat now or my body rejects it/doesn't know how to process it. It does lasting damage and I have to constantly relearn how my body FEELS after eating something because I was so dissociated from what it feels like to eat food.
And this decade long struggle with an ed plus recovery time all started because there was a focus on portion control, motivating yourself to work out, and the way you looked and they all equated your worth to other people.
I really wish the Internet didn't cling to people who share such harmful habits but it is what it is and we just gotta keep talking about it.
As someone who went from a size 22-24 to a 12 i literally dont even feel good about my body. People talked shit about me for years now all i get are “compliments” like “oh are you on ozempic?” “You look so skinny how did you do it??” “You look so great!” People ive never talked to before come up to me at work and ask about my weightloss. They ask my parents about it even im not a person im just a number on a scale for people.
So many people literally don’t give a fck about you unless you’re thin
@@ClayMastah344 They don't give a fuck about you even when you ARE thin. OP's comment kind of exemplifies that; they're not a person even after they've lost weight.
this is so true and I literally went from skinny-fat to very thin because of life and moving more thanks to work, and I didn’t felt like a human being I just felt like a thin being
It's so personally damaging and socially irresponsible to recognise you're "bullying" yourself and to immediately validate it as necessary to an audience. "Really HATE myself but it keeps me skinny ✌🏻🤪" literally that mindset.
We learn those things in childhood to cope with situations out of our control - they're a sign we're feeling that way again. That voice isn't you, it's not right about you. You are valued, loved and worthy of love and respect. Harmful language is never helpful, ok or justifiable. Stay safe everyone xx
it made me so sad to see the clip of that girl talking to herself like that... my immediate thought was "oof, her parents probably talked to her like that when she was younger or maybe her bullies at school" :///
one thing i think often gets left out of the mukbang conversation is that a lot of korean people who diet (especially women) often share that *they watch mukbangs to help them diet*, to vicariously experience a meal or some food they're denying themselves during their diet.
in the west, mukbangs are seen as being some loneliness cure, which, sure, that can be true but it's also because korea is also a hugely beauty-obsessed society that's still really deep into diet culture, so it's more mainstream for people to be restricting what foods they eat and obsessing over the foods they deny themselves.
This!!! I didn’t even know this was a thing! I have literally been doing this for the past 5 months. It really works if you are already in the mindset
BTS member Jimin also talked about doing this. They generally talk a lot about dieting and their weights but at least the guys have the option to get praised for getting muscular. The beauty standard for women in east Asia is basically: as skinny as possible without looking sick.
Would love to see what exactly is Nickocado Avocados social expirement results. What was he conducting by embarrassing himself on TH-cam, harassing Stephanie Soo, and leaking a photo of his inflamed arse 😭
It wasn't a social experiment. He just exploited the situation, he made fetish content, playing it off as a lolcow. he was vegan before all of it, and i've heard a nutritionist/dietician (something like that). He just knew what he was doing and did it with a purpose of $ and views.
This is his attempt at coming back without that stuff attached, playing his behavior as some ha ha silly persona "always one step ahead."
@kellygugie7614 100% agreed. He's just acting like it was all just some social experiment to pretend like he had the upperhand in some game when there was nothing to what he did except be super weird and gross.
@@oomay1925my gov/econ teacher did a similar thing where he claimed he did a social experiment just so he wouldn’t have to actually do his job. He barely ever taught class and then one day declared that him not doing his job was actually a social experiment to see if we’d call him out on it and claimed we were all lazy. I straight up told him that I just figured he was useless
@@raeganj6744That’s so dumb. Did no one tell him that students are there to study, not be studied?
ok tbf tho abt the leaked nudes, nick has talked at length abt how it was very emotionally distressing for him and that he has historically kept his OF and mukbang channel separate bc it was an intimate space to him. its pretty dehumanizing to have private photos leaked and then have the whole internet demonizing you for it and making you feel disgusting and subhuman all bc of your conventionality, or lack thereof. unless its been revealed that he leaked it himself but that doesnt justify the way ppl treated him for it or the way we collectively have made nick's body a site of spectacle and ethical posturing.
ice spice and doja was more of a black male gaze and black beauty standards as now their preferences weren't accessible for objectification and sexualisation it wasn't really for body positivity imo.
thank you so much for making this video, I've relapsed horribly with my anorexia due to this tiktok content but stuff like this helps keep me sane
I hope you're okay, rooting for you and your recovery 💪
@@ashiechan8444 Thank you
Truly and genuinely shocking how much the Internet has propped stupid people up enough to give them a voice we all have to hear, god bless you for managing to stomach all this (pun very much intended)
I dont really trust anyone online who has the Kardashian tonal quality. The way these influencers speak drives me insane.
I litterally had to delete tiktok because of how much it was triggering me to dig a deeper hole in my ED(restrictive) while im supposed to be in recovery and made me litterally hope one day id be hospitalized. It was so hard to do especially since i was already addicted to it and everyone around me uses tiktok and see you as a nerd if you dont have it(Im 14). Honestly deleting tiktok was a breath of fresh air, also because of the amount of unrealistic beauty standards there are. Honestly i just think its best for those struggling to just get off social media. Ive never felt better with myself after getting off tiktok.
i’m 21 and i had to delete tik tok because it became too addictive i was on it before it was even called tik tok. i was so addicted that i went back and forth with it for a while before i deleted it for good. don’t let what others think stop you from making good decisions for your mental health. i’m happy that at such a young age you can identify the problem and find a solution for yourself.
I'm glad you're doing better, but you don't need to put a trigger warning over the fact that you simply mentioned ED. You might as well put a trigger warning for your trigger warning because you said "ED" up there also, y'know?
Take care of yourself, have healthy habits, things will pan out in the big picture, and that's what really matters!
I deleted tiktok a month ago for the same reason. It was becoming too much and it also affected me, in my late 20s. I found myself reverting to old habits. Glad to be rid of it as well
@@michaelhaydenbell Oh, sorry I didnt realize😭 I thought people would attack me if I didnt put a TW since I've been around pressed people😥 And Thank you🥰❤
Cycles of history repeating themselves. Back in the 90s and early 2000s, fat shaming was the norm and thin was seen as basically the only acceptable way to be and no one was afraid to say it. Sounds like maybe that’s a cycle we’re going back to. I’m not glamorizing it, though. I’ve had body image issues my whole life.
I watched Devil Wears Prada recently,and it was so ridiculous & funny how Anne Hathaway's character was referred to as ' fat' all the time 🤣🤦♀️... like seriously. But I guess it highlighted the crazy distorted beauty standards @the time . These trends on the internet & in society is always one extreme to another. Both are unhealthy & bad. And it confirms it's all about balance and good health, obesity & anorexia are both wrong.
It was always like this
Makes sense. Wide-legged pants are back in style
gonna be honest here, fat shaming NEVER went out of style
I was literally just talking about companies low balling calories on their packaging today!! I had no idea my whole life that a serving size of Mr noodles (43g 190 cal) was only half of the package 🥲 I used to eat 2 packs and still be hungry. Thankfully I gave up a lot of processed and convenience foods but it irks me that companies can get away with it
This comment is what I needed. Thank you
Fr I wish they could put calories for the whole thing 😭 I know with chips it’s harder but they’ll put the calorie count for “5 chips” which can be so misleading
@@UhohSofia in most places they put calories per 100 gram, so you kinda have to do a bit of math, but it's leagues better than "per serving" and a serving is some arbitrary thing like "3 bites" they felt will make the numbers look good
Ngl I'm really scared if people going back to toxic thin scares me, but overeating is also big problem. I wish people just stop idolize body type and understand every body is different and move on
this all makes me so sad, because these girls absolutely would NOT (i hope) talk this way to someone they like. the self hatred is so evident, and it makes me so sad that society at large consistently makes people feel this way, and in a way they have no choice but to project that back onto others.
i’m plus sized, and no amount of exercise, diet, etc will change that due to medical conditions.
i work out and eat right, and it doesn’t change anything about my size, and i even tried wegovy for a bit but had to come off because it made me ridiculously ill.
i used to be dramatically underweight before the medical conditions, and the bullying i received on both sides has always been ridiculous, but the worst part is the fact that if i had been either size just FIVE YEARS APART, the bullying probably would’ve decreased dramatically.
bodies as a trend is absolutely disgusting, and i hope one day we can all collectively move past it, but damn.
damn.
The most important part of this issue is the fact that these influencers are teaching impressionable young people, mostly teen girls, how to have an eating disorder. Those tik toks are literally just video format of pro ana tumblr posts. We can't make these content creators stop, but having this conversation and actually gearing it towards their demographic of impressionable kids and teens is so extremely important.
Those anti smoking ads from like +10 years ago that used to scare the shit out of us really worked for a lot of kids when they had those going around, and maybe something like that could help for this. having an honest conversation about how eating disorders can fuck up your body permanently and how your brain works, and dispelling the fake aesthetic control the thinfulencers eating disorders try to promise.
I honestly think this is better than her lying about eating more 🤷🏻♀️, she’s a woman who wants to be thin, that’s it
we should also have anti-junk food ads too for their damage on our bodies beyond body composition
It’s fascinating how both over and under eating are pretty big “trends” (for lack of a better word) right now. I was pretty deep into pro ana/mia tumblr and forms in my teens and the last year I have had a major relapse into my ed. Oddly enough many seem to be relapsing right now.
Personally I think this weird mess of food content is because people gained over lockdown and now a couple years later are thinking “okay maybe time to do something”. The cost of food is really high right now too so what can people afford to eat? Watching people over consume what you can’t because of diet or money would explain the uptick in eating content while also seeing a lot of diet an exercise content. Binge eating is also the most common ed type but restrictive types are more visible.
The internet is a lot smaller in a way than it was when I was involved in pro ana/mia forms so it seems what used to be kept to the forms is now just being posted on main for everyone to see.
thank you for talking about this! the combination of sugar and fat in food is literally not found in nature. it is so addictive!!!!! and the fact that the us government allows these "foods" to be sold and be advertised to children is disgusting. ultraprocessed foods are the modern day cigarettes.
Healthy will never be out of style. Skinny is different because it can mask itself as healthy but it’s hard to attain health, so people just become skinny and it mimics the beauty standard of health which is biologically wired into us to view as attractive.
that's simply not true it's deeply not biological it's societal.
there were times when fat ppl were the beauty standard bc it meant those ppl were rich enough to eat food everyday.
society is the one who tells everyone skinny ppl are prettier than fat ppl.
yes this has been the trend of the last 3 decades but that is deeply not how beauty standards worked through all of humanity.
People still refer to tumblr as peak ED culture (which was well earned, don’t get me wrong). I still see commentary videos where people treat tumblr like it’s still the epicenter of online pro ana communities. But the last time I stumbled into pro ana tumblr spaces, the top post was one saying how joining those spaces should be a personal choice, and you should never pressure someone into being pro ana because it’s incredibly unhealthy. PRO ANA PAGES were posting about how starvation will always be more unhealthy then eating, even overeating is leagues better then starving yourself. It was a very weird combination of toxic and healthy, like a chain smoker who tells you off for smoking. There’s huge pressure to tag things correctly and use appropriate trigger warnings, and in general tumblr is a much better site at letting you avoid content you don’t want to see.
Anyways, I think we’ve gotten to the point that people need to stop thinking about tumblr when they think of ED content, because for awhile now, TikTok has been the epicenter of it. Not only are more young people there, but video content has fundamentally changed how ED culture is online. Additionally, the algorithm of TikTok makes it so much harder to avoid that content. Some people still treat TikTok ED content as tumblr stuff but on a different platform, and I think that’s a mistake to ignore just how different those two sites are, and how that changes the way ED content manifests.
Recently I lost bunch of weight because of side effects of my antidepressants (losing appetite), and gained it again once I got off them and started eating more healthy. I immediately started feeling worse because my body wasn't the "beauty standart" anymore, even though I constantly felt tired and weak when I was on my medication. Now I started to take my antidepressants again and again lost some weight, and now I constantly hear from people that I started to look more pretty and "aesthetic", so its kinda heartbreaking when my sick body on medications is more "beautiful" when my healthy natural body
Never heard of a “gastrinologist”
Neither did I about leCHtin. But here we are. (I’m sure she is playing a dummy blonde for the comments angery)
in 7th grade i struggled with binge eating, but i got better. however, i struggled with body image and hated myself, so i started restricting and ⭐️ving myself in 8th grade until now. now i’ve started binging again but now i restrict a lot on the days i don’t binge. it’s a viscous cycle and had ruined the last of my childhood and beginning of my teenage years. honestly, the internet played the biggest part in it, but has also helped so so much in recovery.
I was inpatient at Stanford and UCLA pediatric ED units for 6 months total when I was 14 in 2008, and had multiple weekly appointments for all of my highschool experience including having to audit half of freshman year. I crashed my first night in, and was told if I wasn't brought in that day, I wouldn't have woken up the next morning. I'd wake up unable to move my arms or legs they were so dead it took laying there tensing my muscles for a couple minutes to even get the pins and needles before I could move and feel them. I relapsed properly the summer before college, was nearly sectioned and nearly couldn't go. I was as deep in the proana culture as it's possible to be. My body will forever look big to me because I remember years of being dangerously underweight, and hearing I looked "healthy" or "better" would send me into a spiral. The calorie calculator in my head still never misses.
I only truly started to improve from disordered eating a la orthorexia and restricting when I got pregnant with my eldest at 24, and was told point blank my baby had more risks becuase of my weight and deficiencies. Once I realized I wasn't fainting as much, had more energy, and wasn't getting sick as often, I kept going once he was born and haven't been underweight since. Because it wasn't about me anymore. The damage to my heart is done, though, and I will never be able to exercise and faint regularly still as part of the muscle died.
To see this culture start to come back truly worries me. I will always tend toward self-loathing and perfectionism, but I saw 3 people die while in hospital. And more people I knew inpatient have died since then than fully recovered. Every few years something will pop up on fb with a memorial, and I realize how lucky I am. But what they say about it being like an addiction is true, it's always there cropping up when I get stressed and need control. It will always be there, and I will always need to ignore it every day. Seeing this become popular again will only add to that for so many.
The binge eating part just made me cry, because I've been going through binge eating disorder for the past 3 years as an impact from depression & past trauma. It's not as easy as what people said, because it's not only about food, but it's about the mental state where we fight the demon inside our head that kept saying "you're ruined already", "you won't get better".
Liv Schimdt's fans will consistently say "oh you're just fat" or LITERALLY TELL ME TO KMS in extremely graphic ways when I say I disagree with the message she sends, it's so fucked up
This is such a good video honestly, I love how both sides are shown and neither are praised as being better or worse. Overeating and under eating are both unhealthy but it’s nice that the thoughts processes and trauma behind them were considered too 🥰
My god, when she called eating a crumbl cookie “stuffing myself like a cow”… that does not spark joy o.o
Yes I actually cringed when she said that. Yikes!
Well one cookie alone has more calories than one meal should
Crumbl cookies have a very huge amount of sugar, but you can absolutely treat yourself once a while. Also such language is definitely from the hyper thin ana culture. I was around the tumblr times (as a child) and used to say such things without understanding how hurtful it is.
If you can eat crap like that and not feel like a stuffed cow then something is wrong.
@@TheOneTheyCallTim ok best ana
Please look into the founders of Scentbird 😅
wait why?
@@alexk7937 bcuz they're brainwashing promotion company to influence ppl on their life and physical & mental healths
@@alexk7937 to paraphrase, she had said that hitler wasn’ta bad guy(or something like that) and something else about cancer. Look up a video on her, there’s some people on youtube that have done the research.
@@alexk7937They're odd. To put it lightly.
She's a cult leader, look into it there's some people who made videos about her
Electrolytes dont make you full. What is she talking about. Feeling full comes from your stomach expanding and weighing more. Electrolytes have to do with nerves firing and muscle contractions, pH and other stuff. She is clearly full of it.
She is right about water. People dont drink even CLOSE to the amount of water that is necessary to function. I swear I rarely meet someone who isnt clearly dehydrated, and also that people if you drink water you will feel like your IQ is going up. Your brain NEEEEEEDS it. Your blood needs it. Your everything needs it. CEEELLLLLLS.
But yeah people dont exercise. Find a way to be on your feet doing something physical. You dont gotta go jogging every day. But you need to do something manual that keeps you moving a bit. Work on your yard. Build a shed.
Don't know if you actually take electrolytes, I take them on the weekend since I run and cycle pretty long distances, and from experience it most definitely diminishes my appetite to eat. You're right it doesn't make you full but at least for me it makes it a challenge for me to get through all the protein I need to be consuming in a day without leaving a lot of eating until the end of the day because I simply don't want to eat.
@@phoebecross8514 That's interesting. It might be caused by something else though because you're getting like endorphins and stuff when you're exercising and endorphins don't necessarily make you want to eat.
I just remember being in the hospital for a long time and not being able to keep food down. I also had super super low electrolytes so I was like spasming and chucking things for no reason, and and before and after getting infusions of electrolytes I was equally hungry. And it wasn't like I was eating nothing so it's like I could have felt full I guess but yeah the electrolytes didn't fix it.
i legit didn’t realize how dehydrated i was until i got a reusable water bottle and the way i have to keep it on me and carry it 24/7 to stay truly hydrated is crazy. if you’re not carrying a water bottle you’re most likely dehydrated that’s how much water your body needs 😭
Please consider looking into the controvery that the scentbird ceo got into! I was seriously shocked to see that you work with them :(
It was interesting to see a lot of people ignore the slim part of slim thick - it was always for skinny people
I worked as a sleepaway camp counselor this summer and the ways girls would talk about their bodies was so upsetting. The food at the dining hall was really good, so it is normal for people at camp to eat a bit more than they usually do. However, the girls would make so many comments about how they needed to exercise to compensate for the amount of food they were eating. They would say things like, "I had three servings at dinner, so I better go for a run now." or "I have to wake up extra early to work out since I've been eating so much." Of course they would also say "My back is getting so big from being here." Mind you, even though they may have been eating a little bit more than usual, they were certainly not eating excessive amounts of food. My coworkers and I had to explain to them that this mindset is unhealthy and they are allowed eat a bit differently during the three short weeks they are at camp. Additionally it's not like your body can even undergo drastic changes in just 3 weeks.
I've seen kids that are like 10 years old refusing to eat because they fear that they'll get fat. This toxic trend is just throwing fuel to a fire. ED's have existed since forever, but now they seem to be getting even more common especially among kids and young teens and it's terrifying!
Your hair is so pretty!!!
1) I wish that people would stop saying that the body positivity movement "failed." It was not a race or a competition with the thin obsessed culture. While yes, people who complain about heavier people who want to lose weight should be addressed, body positivity still had a positive effect on society at large.
2) People with a BED get less respect and more hatred from society at large than someone with annorexia, orthorexia or even bulimia in general, as people assume that it's a problem with an "easy solution."
Finding out Liv Schmidt and KingKrabbyPatfy both went to U of A!!! There is something about Arizona and specifically Tucson I swear. I got SO SMALL at school because everyone was tiny there. The Tucson U of A effect needs to be studied for real
Any videos I can find on the topic?
I go there now. Yes, SO many girls are super skinny. I use it as motivation though, because I know I’m currently overweight with poor habits.
Nick and videos like that fed my binge eating disorder for years. I hate them for it.
Respectfully, you have to take accountability for the content you consume. Having hate for people who have no control over you is misguided
Just to add to the Adele conversation- I agree it’s pretty twisted to chastise someone for losing weight. I also believe people need to think before they praise weight loss too heavily, when we don’t know the why or how.
Generally it’s just so weird that we feel entitled to discuss the bodies of people we don’t know?? Or even those we do know, when they haven’t invited the conversation. I feel like we need to de-normalize that lmao.
i do also think many people were just like, expressing a sense of loss over losing important representation in the mainstream, and people turned that into "the fat acceptance movement HATES adele for losing weight!!!1!" (ik there were people lashing out at her which is not acceptable , but i do think some people just felt hurt & expressed it in a bad way rather than actually believing adele owes them anything or that her losing weight means she's fatphobic. obv there are probably some weirdos like that though)
Well-done vid, I really wish I could leave thinspo shit in 2014 Tumblr but as a middle school teacher without Tiktok, I feel like I gotta watch stuff like this to see what my students are inundated with daily :/
been waiting for another content creator to discuss this growing issue, your health is *wayy* more important than chasing views y'all
While posting pro-ED content is not the answer, I do understand the point you made about how you believe people like Liv Schmidt and kingkrabbypatty are kind of a response to excessively PC culture.
There is no room for genuine self-expression anymore, especially in progressive circles. Take body positivity: if you ever expressed that you wanted to lose weight, or wished you were skinny, you were vilified. They denied people-women specifically-their true thoughts and feelings, and shamed them for having them. But you can’t expect someone on the internet saying “love yourself” to suddenly undo all the diet culture brainwashing you’ve been subjected to all your life. The body positivity movement asked for too much too quickly, burned itself out, and only hurt women by policing and censoring them even more in the process.
And I feel this way about a lot of things. Even social media platforms are getting worse with forced censoring. We can’t say words like dead, suicide, murder, sex, or even lesbian because those words get flagged as “offensive” or “sexually explicit” when they’re just…normal terminology???? And people are getting sick of having to use stupid, almost insulting synonyms to get around it.
I think we’re really burning out on not being able to just talk freely and express ourselves properly. And unfortunately this leads to a swing in the opposite direction, to the other extreme, rather than a healthy middle ground. It’s very frustrating.
It's honestly why I like body neutrality and giving ourselves grace. You don't gotta be positive or love yourself 100% of the time. Faking it doesn't help. But if we can take care of ourselves regardless of if we love or thing positive of our body, then its a huge win. Bc the extreme shame or extreme positivity wo it feeling authentic/real helps noone and is what def makes me cycle in yoyo weight nonsense.
i had a friend with an ed (we dont talk anymore but from what she posts she seems to have gotten a lot better) and she used to constantly ask me how she looked. i hated these conversations because no matter what i said it fueled her ed. if i told her she looked scarily thin it was encouraging to her, if i told her she looks normal she felt insulted and worked even harder to lose weight, and if i refused to answer she took it as confirmation that she was fat. no winning scenario
im so glad she's better now
As a 13 year old girl with extremely disordered eating, there is nothing good about binge eating and disordered eating. Thank you for talking abt how bad these trends are.
Your hair looks beautiful. You in general have a really great style
For me, I eat healthy and exercise but I’m still not very thin. I’m just an average weight, but I’m healthy and I feel amazing in my body which is what really matters. I used to be underweight and unfit, and I felt really bad in my body despite looking the way people expect a ‘healthy’ woman to look. I was tired all the time, I felt weak and had a lot of nutrition deficiencies. I was going through severe depression at the time and didn’t care enough to eat enough food or take care of myself, which is a very difficult situation. When I finally was feeling ok enough to start going for walks, it felt amazing. I started going for jogs after a while, and I was getting hungrier because of the exercise so I started making myself proper meals. I’ve put on weight since then, I’m not as skinny as I was but there is no questioning that I am healthier and happier. Looking skinny doesn’t matter if you are miserable and unhealthy, take care of yourself ladies!
Congratulations on your good health!!!
this is exactly my case! i’m so proud of you, this makes me feel so much better knowing someone else has been through what i have
Everyone has a different body type, but being skeleton-skinny or morbidly obese is not a natural body type-it's usually a choice, unless caused by a medical condition, which is rare. People with a healthy relationship with food see it primarily as fuel, occasionally as a treat. These individuals typically stay within their natural weight range without much effort, whether they're on the lower, upper, or middle end of that range. To me, this is what "different body types" mean.
In this range, people can improve their physique through exercise, but the key is maintaining a healthy relationship with food and accepting your natural body type. Trying to be super skinny when 5-10 kg more is healthier doesn't make sense.
Being a woman these days is so exhausting 😢 why can’t we just exist. Period
I am much older than you and I really appreciate how level headed you are. I don't know how you came up in my algorithm but I have been subscribed a while now. Your videos are always high quality and interesting. Thanks ❤
I still want the skinny. Being chubby doesn't look good on me and diabetes runs in my family and I don't wanna make it worst for myself for when I get older eventually....
But being snatched is the best bonus to have as it's how I wanna look and it's all better for my health too.
I'm currently on a weight loss journey, and I've lost about 21lbs in the last 2 and half months, so many people in my family don't like it because I'm much slimmer and not as curvy as I once was. I'm in college and over the last 3 years I gained 30lbs and got to a very curvy body type. I was thick and fine but i was not healthy so this summer I decided to lose weight and i did the calorie deficit and eating in moderation. I've gotten back to the size I was in high school pretty slender and slim. My moms friends wanted to call me a bobble head because of my weightloss. I've also noticed how men look at me now too is different and that that black men don't talk to me at all compared to other races of men because I'm smaller. I feel in the black community we value thickness over health, and people in my life think that I was healthier being as thick as I was at 200lbs even though I had a hard time working out, my clothes were not fitting, and I was constantly inflammed from all the junk I was eating. Since losing weight I feel much lighter obv and I don't hurt as much. I wish black people did not police black women into thinking that we have to always be thick, there are many black women in this world who are skinny and thats fine.
This is part of the reason why I deleted Instagram and TikTok. It’s this problem of general overconsumption. The content is all about extremes, extreme eating (or lack thereof), extreme consumerism (purchasing new clothes, decor, reinventing yourself to fit an ✨aesthetic✨). Like you said content creators feel like they have to go to the extreme to get views. It’s just kind of exhausting and overwhelming to watch…
i really enjoyed the way u presented this -- it can be so difficult to say anything bcos food, body image, and health are so personal with lots of different factors influencing it
You look great! It was cool when you started talking about fitness I was happy and excited for you - because I'm a big gym rat. And god only gave me one body so I'll make it as healthy and fit as I can. And it's fun doing it.
another day being grateful that i left that app in 2022
Same did it as a bet at the end of 2022 and never looked back. Turns out not being on TikTok is great for mental wellbeing
I have BED. I had to diagnose it, then went to a psychiatrist because my go didn’t get it. I would be in locust mode where, if I wasn’t constantly eating, I would be anxious and/or angry until the episode passed. Once it passed, I felt bloated, sick, and ashamed at my “weakness”. I’m now on medication that helps to control it
That's how I feel😢
"Not coddling" someone with an ed? When does anyone do that? Do people realize that bringing ANY attention to a person with an ED's body - good or bad - is going to make them worse!? Omg...
the most disturbing aspect of it all to me is the whole narrative about your worth being linked to how skinny you are etc, plus now i've seen accounts that promote ed push a victim narrative like "y'all bully me cause i'm skinny and you're jaleous but won't admit it" "you're just mad that we're not promoting obesity" like ugh
Oh no, not Scentbird 😭 Please look into the founder and her awful, awful behavior
So many creators have scentbird sponsorship and it makes me wince. The founder is horrible
@spicychildofYah The ceo and founder is a big spiritualist who believes and talks about some really awful stuff, like Hitler not being evil, people could heal whatever illnesses they have if they really wanted to, miscarriages being the woman's fault etc.
I mean, that sucks, don't get me wrong. But as long as the company itself/product is not a scam, why would you deprive her of the income.
this is the equivalent of me going into a starbucks and getting mad at the employee for the prices, or the humanitarian issues. be so fr, people need money to survive and it’s common knowledge that a pretty big chunk of the income content creators generate comes from brand deals.
@moonlitdreams-7266 oh shut uppp no its not at all youtubers taking sponsorships from shitty and sketchy brands is a real problem that they need to stop doing . scentbird lady specifically is insane and actively puts the money she makes from her company back into her crazy ass beliefs . youtubers need to do basic levels of research before accepting any cash grab as tons of classic sponsors (scentbird, hellofresh, betterhelp) are scams or just cash grabs
not to mention that its not like ur having one crumbl cookie with 890kcal, its like 6 NEW FLAVORS of crumbl cookies per WEEK🗣🗣🗣 thats just wild
I do think we should care to an extent if regular healthy people are using Ozempic for weight loss, mostly because there is still a shortage of the drug. It, IMO, should be reserved for those who need it such as diabetics, or even those who are obese due to a ghrelin-related hormonal inbalance.
Yes! It has been linked to deaths as well. I have been told by my PCP that my insurance won't cover it because I am not diabetic. Yet when I was getting screened for endocrine issues, it was the first thing the doctor at the weight loss center suggested. And another time it happened too. It is SO new, no evidence of long term use in the general population, and yet It's viewed as a magic bullet
girls wake up a new madisyn video dropped
8:46 most of the time they aren't aware they have disordered eating thoughts. From their perspective, they are in the right, there's no obsession, no excess, that's their normal.
Social media ruined my perception of health so much 😭I know I'm overweight and I need to lose fat but every time I try to do it I always end up doing it only for aesthetic reasons and hating myself and my current body. Really wish I could do fat loss healthily
I do understand why people sort of reject what they perceive as “the body positivity movement going too far” but i really think it’s important for people to see their body as being valid/beautiful regardless of their size. i wish as society we could stop perpetuating that skinny = healthy or beautiful. If you want to lose weight you should do it for your health, not because you want to look “good.”
true. the "skinny = healthy" is not helpful. focus on body composition and levels of abdominal fat, material realities, is better
I agree, but disagree. I look better when I’m slimmer. But my main focus was being healthier tho! You can look how you want but make health the priority:)!
@@lc-do5eo exactly
I’m serious when I say people just lack decorum, respect and etiquette. Just NO education.
I still believe in the body positivity movement. It's what I live by. Is it perfect? No. Some people who claim to be body-positive shame people with smaller bodies or larger people losing weight, etc which is so wrong. But for the most part the community is good. You deserve to love yourself no matter your size
This is unrelated but you are so pretty 😭😭 I love your jewelry and your hair accessories so much
I think we need to learn to stfu about stuff that we legit are not qualified to talk about
I definitely binge eat when things at school get tough. I downed a chick-fil-a sandwich with fries after I didn’t do well on my physics test even though I packed my own lunch. I was so mad with myself but it made me feel good in the moment
The whole crumbl thing is honestly why I believe that everyone at least for 1 short period in their lives should count calories. I used to think my eating wasn't that crazy and I work out all the time and couldn't figure out why I wasn't losing weight. I now count calories off and on and it's helped me to really see what I was eating and how big my portions were. It also caused me to look twice when I saw 180 calories for a big a** cookie. Like with my experience I just knew that didn't make sense and so I looked further and saw that it was 4 servings. I still eat crumbl from time to time cause I freaking LOVE their cookies but, I only eat half in one day. I usually wait at least a day before I eat the second half lol.
I know a lot and nothing about food at the same time bc there is so much information and they all contradict eachother and demonise the other side
I’ve struggled with both sides of the ED spectrum most of my adult life.
I lost about 50lbs when I entered adulthood and I never felt like I could lose enough. Then during covid I couldn’t stop eating my feelings away.
These people starving themselves/eating boxes of cookies at a time is everywhere. I cant imagine what would happen if I wasn’t stable. I’m old enough to be at peace but I now have a daughter and I fear for her image of herself when she gets older. I focus on telling her how beautiful she is no matter what she looks like. I want her to know, that as long as she is healthy, nothing else matters.
love your videos and how you always try to see both sides of an issue.
if anyone needs relief - i think the mukbang w the eggs is actually peaches
I can now sleep well
thank you 😭
This is my first time seeing your channel and you are a very introspective person. I genuinely watched the entire video and enjoyed your take on everything. ❤
I got severely sick earlier this year after I had a surgery for my wisdom teeth. And it caused me to lose nearly 20+ lbs and I felt horrible throughout my entire recovery because I couldn’t eat and had lost a lot of the fat on my body that “looking skinny” didn’t make me feel great at all. I missed just how healthy I looked before that I was in this weird headspace trying to understand someone how had an ED, but ofc I didn’t.
Eventually, I regained my appetite after spending weeks working up to it and going on light walks to build my strength again and because I couldn’t stomach any processed food my family made me high protein/fiber meals. Now it’s been months and I’ve gained all my weight back and I’ve been able to treat myself to some fast food and sweets. But I feel much better knowing that I kind of had a “cleanse” from process foods.
I would have to agree that both ends of the spectrum are pretty toxic and do nothing for actually addressing mental health and how being fat or skinny does not change that fact that mental health is important. Listening to your body is what saved me… I wish others would do the same.
Those crumble cookies have to be nothing but oil and sugar for that calorie count.
Personally my method with sweet stuff is I have to make it at home or only when on vacation. Make it more special and mean something.
They used body positivity during my ed treatment and my mind and body have never been healthier I even lost 120 lbs without trying. I eat healthy all the time not because I want to lose weight but because I want to take care of myself.
Now sweet foods don't appeal to me at all because it tastes too sweet.
ugh the way you talk is so pleasant I love u