Three Notes I wanted to throw in but, didn’t end up including. A)The Kakashi Novel point is actually referencing him thrusting his Kunai not throwing it which bolsters the presented argument. B) I did not think of this but, Tobirama using Tandem could potentially set off the paper bombs hidden away in the water which is funny af. C) Shikimaru probably doesn’t cap out at Tree level ironically and can still pull a W due to having feats such as reacting to Delta’s Kicks, Being in the Battle vs Code, etc. with other techniques like his shadow piercing or just paper bombing Obito. I literally just went into depth about him in the other two vids and didn’t feel as obliged to here as I also had a video on Shikimaru stopping the Nine Tails attack which is 15 minutes on this matchup, so I’d reccomend that if you want a more interesting discussion. You can also argue Shikimaru during his novel is in a perpetual mental debuff adding to the Tree Feat being non idicative.
Quick question, just want to be clear do u think minato clears or no? Obito is marked as well and he's not aware of it bcx he was able to surprise rinnegan obito and states that the mark never disappears and he never taught him that
I'll repost this in every Konan discussion. Konan is slept on as fuck. At 35 years old, and assuming she prepped for the Obito fight since the day of her birth, she canonically creates over 32,595 paper bombs per minute, or more than 543 per SECOND, assuming she started AT BIRTH, which is obviously not when she started. Assuming she started the day she met Madara, then she's able to create roughly 76,061 Paper Bombs per minute, or 1267 per second. Konan might very well be top 3 in the Akatsuki discounting plot.
@@Necromancer4267 "1200 bombs per second" idc what kind of headcanon fighting style you made up for Konan with some calculations, but she never summoned 1300 bombs on someone or something lol. She tried to overwhelm Jiraiya with papers and got negged by base Jiraiya. Her feats except that 1 huge prep feat against Obito is nothing compared to Kisame and Orochimaru. Thinking that they can't beat Konan is crazy. Deidara blows her up too.
@Necromancer4267 what are you smoking. If 1200 paper bombs matter those level every village wouldn't struggle against bijuu but they do. You trying to say any village doesn't have 10k paper bombs in their arsenal. You're wrong
My guess is like this Hidan and Kakuzu: Sage Mode Naruto Deidara and Sasori: 6 Tails Naruto Itachi and Kisame: KCM1 Naruto (Itachi here is not Edo) Pain and Konan: KCM1 Naruto
@@kodoqbesar4301 sage mode Naruto for Hidan and kakuzu may be a little too much. Even if they seem strong with their protagonism in the arc and fighting kakashi they're pretty much bottom of the akatsuki, the Naruto who just learned rasenshuriken/is searching for Sasuke during his fight with Itachi would be enough.
@@GeneFOX70 6 tails naruto got trapped by the chibaku from an exhausted pain, idk what you're smokin' lol. He literally went eight tails to get out of it and stopped by minato
I lowkey wanna see a video about the Akatsuki Civil War, where Obito tell his Eye of the Moon plan to every members of the Akatsuki. Some support his plan, some oppose his plan
swag did the naruto and sasuke swapping fights BEFORE TG and tg stole his idea sooo his copyright plagiaristic thief-like self should be okay with doing that 👍
Thank you for the Tobirama JUSTICE 😂! I don't understand why people think Obito is weaker. Homie has had 16 years to naturally grow. His physical and spiritual energy even if he didn't train would just grow making him stronger with more chakra. But fire ass video! Missed you man 😭
30:14 XD god that killed me! But fir real, I have always assumed that Isobu never broke Yagura out because he hates Yagura that much, so you also saying that feels dope as hell
One thing to note for tobirama’s ap is that edo madara took a massive rasenshuriken to the face and it failed to take hin down but then, with an alive body sage mode and rinnegan he still went out of his way to dodge tobirama’s hiraishin giri, madara the guy that rakes attacks to the chin to flex the on the opp
@@sladehatake5692 hashirama states the jutsu failed to take him down, obviusly any jutsu would fail to take down an edo wich means madara just tanked it
@@aymanriki1018 im talking about right before obito used rinne tensei, when madara was blocked by wood dragon, hashirama even stated he wouldnt be able to use rinnegan to absorb
Worth noting that Minato himself believed that the fight would be over if Obito landed the first hit on him, and this was stated after experiencing the Kamui warp, so it's likely that Minato understood enough what Obito was trying to do to him and still believed that if he was warped he would lose outright, meaning that FTG wouldn't allow him to escape.
@@Reggie2kj He knew it was ST ninjutsu better than FTG. There's literally nothing left to get. Minato knew exactly what it did and knew he would lose to it. Period. Boruto isn't canon.
My dawg stay in the kitchen 🔥 and editing is straight gass too, did Danzo so dirty tho 28:18, but I agree wit everything. Run up that sage toad tho FR.
I fully believe that Tobi's reveal as Obito was not fully planned (or at least multiple seeds were planted and one wasn't fully selected) until nearer to the reveal, and that because of this, Obito's arm vs. Minato is a mistake, but only a retroactive mistake, not a mistake that Kishimoto made out of forgetfulness, but out of lack of complete planning at the time.
@@jasonmoukala8909 The wrong arm gooping off, as TG referenced. Obito's right arm is the Zetsu arm, but against Minato his left arm leaked Zetsu material and fell off.
It was planned, the whole reason his mask is like how it is, is because the creator didn’t want to reveal who is was yet. He knew Obito was Tobi apparently since the beginning
Obito can use ninjutsu while intangible btw. A very important note because its easy for most to assume that he has no way of attacking while kamui is active.
Where is this "tobirama can mark one kunai at a time" coming from. He can mark as many as he wants, his base combat speed is above most in the series so he would have plenty of time to mark when needed. He can and has made multiple marks on things especially as they dont dissappear.
We have no idea how many marks Tobirama can manually place and keep active at a time, there’s no way to actually prove it or evidence to support it so it’s just easier to take the baseline and build from there. I was more so noting that Tobirama has to mark his Kunai 1 by 1 as opposed to Minato having all of his pre marked. We don’t know if his mark was active on Obito while he had 1 his Kunai but, even if I steel man and granted you that it just changes literally nothing about the discussion. We also have no idea how long his marks last for as Minato’s Jutsu formula is just different and may have different properties. Although I agree his base combat speed is high enough to where he wouldn’t struggle with any of this in this fight, it’s more so noting the differences between Minato & Tobirama.
Excellent interpretations. Many people don’t understand that obito wasn’t gonna just go 1v1the village after minato died like he’s pain. It was important to him to gain more experience and Allies and staying a phantom.
Tobirama has a certain ftg ability that minato doesn’t have, honestly idk how it works but it’s flying raijin slice, we see him use it on izuna with his marked kunai, it allows him to teleport to one’s blind spot, but how did he teleport behind madara with it out of nowhere?
Idk why people argue Yellow Mask over Orange. Yellow has chains and Kurama wheras Orange is implied by Minato to be in KCM2 tiers of power. They are worlds apart.
@@ThunderGodTG I respect it though, were all geeks here 🤣 I spent all night calculating the probable ages for every relevant character & the succession of Kage during each Shinobi War for a rewrite that will never see the light of day ☠️
Obito could just use Izanagi and stab Hashirama from behind with black rods and restrict his movements, and absorb his chakra like Madara did in the war. Once those rods are in, he won't be able to move or manipulate his chakra anymore, and once that happens, Obito could practically place him under genjutsu and warp him into his time space.
Hashirama required a BACK full of Rinnegan Rods to restrict his movements and even then he was still initiating Jutsu like the Wood Dragon and Deity Gates on Madara. This also assumes the rods Obito is using are the Rinnegan Rods.
@ThunderGodTG Obito has demonstrated the ability to eject multiple black rods simultaneously he'd have no problem covering Hashirama's entire back with them and even if Hashirama were to initiate some jutsu before completely losing the ability to manipulate his chakra and his movements, none of his jutsus would even touch Obito. Obito would just slip right through it all and wait until the Black Rods took full effect and Obito's black rods are like those of Nagato and Madara's, it all comes from the Gedo Statue.
The block rod didn't disrupt Konan's chakra in the slightest as she could even still knead chakra to stand on water, so it's def just some rod he has or was latched off somewhere. It's only presented he does any of that when he actually has the Rinnegan so I would not argue his rods are the same at all.
@ThunderGodTG Obito stabbed Konan with a regular pipe, not a Black Rod, because the arm he uses to eject the Rods was blown off by her attack. Edited: Black Rods are shown sticking out of Obito's right half during Rins death, and he did not have a Rinnegan at that moment in time. The Black Rod is specifically a Gedo Statue ability not a Rinnegan ability and half of Obito's body comes from the Gedo Statue. Possessing the Rinnegan doesn't automatically give you Black Rods, Sasuke is a perfect example of that.
I think him losing his left arm against Minato is an animation mistake. Why? Because most of the time Obito gets damaged, it's always the white part of his body. In the fight with Minato, it even shows it melting while his back had zero scratches on it. He just jumps away even after being stabbed in the torso, which makes Obito's durability insane. Maybe he needs the white parts for something that we don't know about. Otherwise, he would just let it completely be the same color as his skin. Perhaps over time the Zetsu parts lose something when they turn to Obito's skin color. In conclusion, Obito needs the white Zetsu parts for something, but they seem to be less durable than his actual body. For more proof, this is not the only mistake the animation team has made, so yeah, it's totally possible. also When Obito was in the cave with Madara, the Zetsu parts of his body were very skinny and weak. But over time, they turned into the same shape as his left side. Maybe the Zetsu parts turn into what his original body was like over time, and he doesn't color them or something stupid like that. Obito completely covers his whole body anyway, so there is zero point in coloring it.
@@ThunderGodTG No, no. I only said that for others. Because most people think Lord Second is still Izuna's level. No problems with ya Lord of Thunder, i always enjoy listening to ya. Keep it up. Be real. 👍👏
29:52 🤓my theory is: isobu is just a dumb baby at the time. It died with Rin then when it was revived, it’s like it starts from scratch as a baby again
Guy, kakashi, sakura, neji, etc all got stronger in the 2-3 year time skip. Obito should have gotten insanely stronger 16 long years after fighting minato.
The fact he was close to Minato means he likely just coasted.Hes prob stronger from practicing his ability.But without stronger opponents he wouldnt get insanely stronger.
@@Archer170 obito should have become the new peedster after minato died. It was 16 yrs, not 16 days. He had more potential than many others, he even activated MS young, had hashi cells, could control the ""weakest bijuu (kurama) ""??? 😂 But he turned out to be a failure. I blame kishimooto writing 😞
I actually think obito used izanagi for 1 minute against conan and it reset his kamui timer so he just kamuied through 9 minutes of paper bombs. I have no way of proving this but I think it's a solid theory
32:33 "If we're generous" ??? We saw Tobirama utilize a kunai with a FTG mark on it against Izuna. This is like FTG 2 decades before Minato was born. He already had it on hand apparently. WTH! And even if it wasn't, It doesn't take a second for something to be marked to be even considered a set back during combat in terms of prep time where a FTG seal is concerned. It's short of breathing . Y'all got this thing wrong. This Minato over Tobirama BS got y'all twisted.
Ain’t NO WAY! Not like bro corrected that not even 10 seconds past the timestamp! Finish the vid before you comment shit like that. Nobody brought up Minato vs Tobirama either you just yapping.
i think you should do a video akin to this but with either half kurama or full kurama. and make kurama run a guantlet of actually relevant characters in relation to it through the story.
Yea the skin arm always bothered me but since you mention Hashirama DNA... what if Obito used the Rinnegan's power to summon the King of Hell to repair his arms, his actual arms, and even mix this procedure with Hashirama cells so now his arms and body is stronger and better than before. Now that wouldn't make sense but it feels like it's something Obito would try in an attempt to better use the Rinnegan no less make his Six Paths of Pain out of the Edo Tensei Jinchuriki. It would be FUCKED up because that means White Masked Obito is MORE powerful than we're led on. But that's just an assumption, very unlikely one. Like that's REACHING that he would do something like that... then again, he survived getting the Tailed Beasts extracted out of him no less doing the Rinne Rebirth on Madara, forcefully. BUT AGAIN, it doesn't explain later on with that side of his body still all white when clearly it wasn't... unless he has some Jutsu that disguises his skin color. LIKE... No, that would be stupid! SO... Deidara took a few years of his life to have his eyepatch eye to ignore Sharingan Genjutsu and failed while Konan prepped a paperbomb Jutsu meant to trick the Sharingan. HAHA, that's actually funny! That's a good win for her! I'm glad! Good video. No arguments about each confrontation.
Can you talk about a hypothetical dual sharingan obito against the 4th hokage when he went to get the nine tails. I lean towards obito wining this match if he would’ve had both of his sharingan
Yeah I brought that up in another pocket it’s possible, unless you somehow argue Obito used that to actually test the Izanagi as opposed to him maybe using it later after getting mad Sharingan from the massacre.
People say Kakashi copied thousands of jutsu as a spy which obito he was in most of his life , he should have tons of abilities which he has copied along side others he learned re-animation jutsu from Kabuto , plus forbidden jutsu , his genjutsu is crazy for him to be able to control perfectly jenjuriki.. so Obito will stomp
I do think that people downplay Konan’s power somewhat, but she’s still just nowhere near the level of obito or even several other ataksuki members. Her only hope against obito was catching him off guard with a trap that she set earlier. In an unplanned battle between them konan gets stomped hard.
pretty sure there is nothing even mentioned or hinted at saying her 600bill bombs was prepared before hand. this is a theory that the naruto community heard and simply ran with because the concept of 600bill bombs is kinda unimaginable and if there is someone capable to dropping 600billion bombs on you at will kinda breaks the naruverse. what we do know is that after this jutsu she was drained of all chakra this fact alone confirms the jutsu was was something like a transmutation jutsu completely debunking the she stored 600billion bombs under water "THEORY" . i can confidently say she transmuted ocean into bombs. now you could argue the prep was her choosing the location or learning the ability of turn ocean to paper and how much chakra is required to hold for 10min
Konan literally says she prepared 600 Billion Paper Bombs to kill Obito & ran simulations to kill him she 1000% prepared them in advance. The paper bombs themselves actually have different properties the databook note & can take the form of not only earth but, water. Konan did make them but, there is no evidence to infer she made them all at that specific moment especially if denoting all of them instantly drops her chakra supply to where she can't maintain the Dance of the Shikigami.
It's really weird cause Body Flicker & Other Techniques are also called the same thing which muddies the water further. Now we can find out which is which through looking at the Kanji but like why TF we gotta do all that lmao
Izanagi is so broken i cant see anyone but the first beating obito. Unless they are expecting it thats a free crit obito can get on any of them which would swing the fight to obito with the first maybe able to power through it. Just imagine kamui plus being able to repsawn youre not dodging that hit. Obviously naruto is just gonna fondle him
I feel like we really needed some Hashirama fights. He exists just to oppose Madara but I have no idea how he deals with Kamui, he just wins cause power level yunno. We needed some more variety from him other than survivability, power and some contact or smell-based sealing.
Yeah it’s kinda unfortunate that he’s only really challenged by Madara and just outright above everyone else. Honestly the passive Kamui of nature saves Obito for a little but Hashirama’s overwhelming force of Jutsu + SM for suprise attacks + Wood clones for back coverage make it so he’s either gonna catch Obito when materialized or outright stall out the Kamui timer
@@ThunderGodTG I mean now that you remind me of Sage mode, I can kinda see it hapenning. Cause withough SM or some kind of teleportation I can't see anyone surviving an Obito surprise attack. Even konan had the benefit of prep time.
You glazed over Hashirama so quickly. What if Obito just blitzes Hashirama with a Kamui grab? If Obito can react to Minato’s slicing speed, Obito is surely reacting to anything Hashirama does physically.
Hashirama scales to EMS Madara who is outright superior to the Rinnegan Edo Obito is on par but, weaker than. Coupled with Sage Mode Sensory it’s very unlikely he catches Hashirama off guard as even Minato could sense Obito’s presence the only time he’s grabbed. So Hashirama’s reactions & physicals are just much higher generally + Wood Clones to cover rear spots for Obito’s reemergence from the Kamui Dimension which Obito may not even be able to differentiate from the original Hashirama as only EMS Madara ever could. It’s just a stomp in 14 different directions with the passive Naruto of Kamui making this a conversation at all.
@@ThunderGodTG right. I know Minato reacted to Obito due to being a sensory type, but Obito still grabbed him. Minato has been noted to be extremely fast. Fast enough to go toe-to-toe with the fastest characters in the verse, even without FTG. So Obito actually grabbing Minato is a pretty awesome feat for a younger Obito. Giving Hashirama sage mode does make this a conversation for reaction times, but without SM, I don’t see Hashirama reacting to a blitzing Kamui grab. Wood clones are just clones. They can work as blind spot covers. But you’d still have to disperse them before the attack and have the intel transmit to the original before the grab even happens. That’s a looooong shot. I know Hashirama scales to EMS Madara. But that doesn’t inherently make Hashirama just neg diff Obito because of reputation. Obito is a very overpowered character in this show. I’m just not sure base Hashirama has anything to counter Obito. Sage mode Hashirama is definitely winning though.
It’s just the type of thing where Hashirama either continually presses him with Ninjutsu using up his timer or catches Obito due to a stat disparity when Obito actually materializes which is closer to what happens
Question: I really wonder, as the tailed beasts often have certain chakra natures and kekkei genkai, which does kurama have? I think I read on narutopedia or somethin that its wind and fire (probably reasoned as on the ninetails attack he boasts flame like bursts and during the pain fight vreates tornados...). Bro do you know maybe?
Itachi was insanely ill and nearing blindness near Shippuden so him not being able to control the Kyuubi makes sense as it requires insane amounts of chakra to do as even Obito can only do it for a short while.
@@ThunderGodTG I don't know whether the statement would include him at all as right now is specified and he wouldn't be alive then just like madara. The only proof he can control it is his own word that mangekyo can control kyuubi and the sharingans utmost limit being controlling kyuubi. No direct proof he can control it but nothing against him not controlling it either. You also mentioned one of kaguyas dimensions as super gravity? Is that an accurate translation.? Cause I have heard super gravity can be higher dimensional
This is all assuming you go off the MS controlling the Nine Tails as outright fact as opposed to Uchiha clan mythos passed down by the Uchiha. I have not seen or heard of any alternate translations for the super gravity dimension, and I’ve pretty much know all the main ones for Kaguya, if it was higher dimensional I feel like I would have been exposed to it at some point as that’s pretty crucial for like 4D Naruto.
@@ThunderGodTG True. I haven't seen it for naruto either but super gravity in theoretical physics is considered higher dimensional . I have seen godzilla scalers using this so I remembered.
I actually did have those opinions they just didn't really come out into that recording. If you look at either the Pain or Itachi video done they'll represent that
@@ThunderGodTG Fair enough. What video of yours could I watch to get your take on Tobirama vs Minato? Who do you have winning and how many times out of ten? I put Minato winning like 7-8/10 high-ish difficulty (alive hokage vs alive hokage). I always though Tobirama was weaker than Minato at the things Minato is good at (speed, FTG, sealing, etc), but Tobirama has more chakra and more jutsu. So he's almost like a Minato-Hiruzen hybrid with some senju DNA, haha. Appreciate your content. Keep up the good work!
When you say( and also other creators) how Edo characters like Tobirama in this case is comparable to EMS Sasuke and like KCM 1.5 Naruto, how come y’all never mentioned how the alive versions are stated to be stronger and faster? If we say Edo Tobirama is ~ KCM 1.5 lvl of speed, then alive Tobirama should be much faster. If that’s the case then He would absolutely clear Obito(fought Konan) in speed category
It’s not a quantifiable jump to much at all, they are stronger but, the only follow up is by just a little since they’re almost at FP. It’s kinda a mute point that doesn’t add much to the convo
Sigh, people just don't understand how to powerscale Tsunade. I don't understand why they never include katsuyu in her vs matches when Tsunade's nickname is literally slug princess/queen. Sakura figured out how kamui worked with just one interaction and Tsunade was the one who taught Sakura how to watch her opponent's every move, before, during and after an attack. Tsunade will figure out how kamui work just like Sakura, Katsuyu clone being on Tsunade's shoulder will be there to prevent any chances of Tsunade getting pulled into the kamui dimension as she can just spit acid to prompt his kamui, attack him with her large clone size, try to trap him, etc. (Katsuyu is so versatile!) Tsunade can then follow up on the cooldown time as she is fast enough to do so and one shot him. Even if she does get pulled into the kamui dimension, Katsuyu can still communicate with herself and Tsunade thanks to the byakugou seal regardless of the distance. Katsuyu is also a sensory type and she will find obito's chakra whenever he uses kamui in his dimension to evade another attack from the real world and can just one shot the body part that he dematerializes in the real world into the kamui dimension with her acid. Katsuyu also just nullifies kamui in general as she can split apart immediately and can just reverse summon herself or Tsunade back and vice versa. A Katsuyu clone being on Tsunade's shoulder also means she will be able to sense obito if he tries to sneak up on Tsunade with Kamui thanks to senjutsu. Tsunade also has top tier reactions thanks to being the best medical ninja aside from Sakura. Its possible that Tsunade uses her lightning chakra on herself to enhance her reaction speed as we know she uses it to scramble opponents nervous systems, basically making them immobile. Katsuyu can also be used as a marker as she can split into any size she wants so a mini Katsuyu clone small enough that obito can't see can attach herself to him and basically becomes a tracker for Tsunade and Katsuyu. With that, Tsunade can use offensive medical ninjutsu or send body pathway derangement through that Katsuyu clone and immobilize Obito, securing her victory. Katsuyu/Tsunade are highly resistant/immune to genjutsu thanks to the shared connection with the byakugou seal and Katsuyu in general just being Katsuyu having a hivemind and an independent mind simultaneously. (Katsuyu can break Tsunade out of genjutsu and Tsunade can break Katsuyu out of genjutsu and Katsuyu can break other katsuyu clones out of genjustu. Even though I don't see how Tsunade would be placed under genjustu to begin with thanks to the byakugou seal being the pinnacle of chakra control.) Imma stop here as a lot more can be said so imma reply to any comments that wanna discuss/debate.
the kakashi part you took completely out of context since obito wanted to remove the seal to become the juubi's jinchuuriki and in fact obito is stronger than kakashi even the orange mask
I specifically only reference when Obito references Kakashi hitting him mid phase, which also just draws up blood from Obito. Obito calls back to this later on in his convo with Kakashi, it's obviously not in reference to the bout itself.
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Three Notes I wanted to throw in but, didn’t end up including.
A)The Kakashi Novel point is actually referencing him thrusting his Kunai not throwing it which bolsters the presented argument.
B) I did not think of this but, Tobirama using Tandem could potentially set off the paper bombs hidden away in the water which is funny af.
C) Shikimaru probably doesn’t cap out at Tree level ironically and can still pull a W due to having feats such as reacting to Delta’s Kicks, Being in the Battle vs Code, etc. with other techniques like his shadow piercing or just paper bombing Obito. I literally just went into depth about him in the other two vids and didn’t feel as obliged to here as I also had a video on Shikimaru stopping the Nine Tails attack which is 15 minutes on this matchup, so I’d reccomend that if you want a more interesting discussion. You can also argue Shikimaru during his novel is in a perpetual mental debuff adding to the Tree Feat being non idicative.
Dude don’t be gaslit into believing Shikamaru can deal with Orange Mask Obito 😂
They are in completely different tiers of strength.
Quick question, just want to be clear do u think minato clears or no? Obito is marked as well and he's not aware of it bcx he was able to surprise rinnegan obito and states that the mark never disappears and he never taught him that
@@spartagaming6210 Minato clears
I wonder if Izuna was only equals to Madara in their base sharingan and Mangekyo states but after EMS, Madara shot up to a whole different level.
Nah, Shikamaru’s tree level.
bro has INFINITE ideas
😂😭 ong we def gotta cook on something soon too bro
ive been in this community for 3 years let me tell you one lil secret
TG gets his ideas from NWK and there’s mfs like you to police it
@@ThunderGodTGyou should do thunder bark again
@SunnyGoat-ut5qwI also want more Naruto what ifs
@SunnyGoat-ut5qwwell I mean madara is weaker than kaguya and I don’t think he’s immortal because if he is then he wins if he isn’t I think he loses
Minato: *sees "madara" again*
"HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN"
Wait….so
I get unlimited prep time AND I get To kill a UCHIHA!????
-Tobirama said grinning ear to ear
Ngl that red rinnegan on sasuke looks badass but I’d still prefer the original purple color
Nah it looks crazy sick I agree, and yeah the Red / Purple combo is just “chefs kiss”
I'll repost this in every Konan discussion.
Konan is slept on as fuck. At 35 years old, and assuming she prepped for the Obito fight since the day of her birth, she canonically creates over 32,595 paper bombs per minute, or more than 543 per SECOND, assuming she started AT BIRTH, which is obviously not when she started. Assuming she started the day she met Madara, then she's able to create roughly 76,061 Paper Bombs per minute, or 1267 per second. Konan might very well be top 3 in the Akatsuki discounting plot.
Impressive but Nah. Kisame violates. Deidara wins too. If we count Orochimaru, she gets destroyed by him too. She's top 6 or 5 max imo.
@@The__Deadman Uh no, Kisame, Deidara, and Orochimaru have literally nothing to combat 1200 paper bombs per second.
@@Necromancer4267 "1200 bombs per second" idc what kind of headcanon fighting style you made up for Konan with some calculations, but she never summoned 1300 bombs on someone or something lol. She tried to overwhelm Jiraiya with papers and got negged by base Jiraiya. Her feats except that 1 huge prep feat against Obito is nothing compared to Kisame and Orochimaru. Thinking that they can't beat Konan is crazy. Deidara blows her up too.
@@Necromancer4267 Deidara goes in the sky and c3s him
@Necromancer4267 what are you smoking. If 1200 paper bombs matter those level every village wouldn't struggle against bijuu but they do. You trying to say any village doesn't have 10k paper bombs in their arsenal. You're wrong
I still remember when you were on tiktok debating about naruto, now youre here making videos featuring six and swag on your own yt channel
MY FUCKING GOAT nah that’s a day 1, anyone who was around during that era is just straight up family 🔥✊🏻
Could you do a "what version of naruto could beat each/duo akatsuki"? Like your hokages video.
That’s actually mad interesting I’m gonna throw that on the list
My guess is like this
Hidan and Kakuzu: Sage Mode Naruto
Deidara and Sasori: 6 Tails Naruto
Itachi and Kisame: KCM1 Naruto (Itachi here is not Edo)
Pain and Konan: KCM1 Naruto
@@kodoqbesar4301 sage mode Naruto for Hidan and kakuzu may be a little too much. Even if they seem strong with their protagonism in the arc and fighting kakashi they're pretty much bottom of the akatsuki, the Naruto who just learned rasenshuriken/is searching for Sasuke during his fight with Itachi would be enough.
@@kodoqbesar43016 Tails Naruto destroyed Pain.
@@GeneFOX70 6 tails naruto got trapped by the chibaku from an exhausted pain, idk what you're smokin' lol. He literally went eight tails to get out of it and stopped by minato
I lowkey wanna see a video about the Akatsuki Civil War, where Obito tell his Eye of the Moon plan to every members of the Akatsuki. Some support his plan, some oppose his plan
I believe New Horizons did a vid on that
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Oh yeah you're right thank you it's been quite a while since I watched New Horizons
swag did the naruto and sasuke swapping fights BEFORE TG and tg stole his idea sooo his copyright plagiaristic thief-like self should be okay with doing that 👍
I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious 😅😅
He’s trolling lmao Swag didn’t do that vid, Seth did and he directly credited my first iteration of that vid
Thank you for the Tobirama JUSTICE 😂! I don't understand why people think Obito is weaker. Homie has had 16 years to naturally grow. His physical and spiritual energy even if he didn't train would just grow making him stronger with more chakra. But fire ass video! Missed you man 😭
30:14 XD god that killed me! But fir real, I have always assumed that Isobu never broke Yagura out because he hates Yagura that much, so you also saying that feels dope as hell
Bro HAD to be upset at this mist ain’t no other way
New idea: What if each Hokage had to talk no jutsu Nagato, how many of them fumble the bag
Hashi yes, Kakashi maybe, the rest fail hard.
Kakashi is probably the only one ngl
Hiruzen gets a negative 10/10 here
Tobirama starts flexing, “bring back my village or else I’ll bring back yours.”
@@spit-firetobirama gets low diffd by nagato
One thing to note for tobirama’s ap is that edo madara took a massive rasenshuriken to the face and it failed to take hin down but then, with an alive body sage mode and rinnegan he still went out of his way to dodge tobirama’s hiraishin giri, madara the guy that rakes attacks to the chin to flex the on the opp
It was an edo tho…
@@sladehatake5692 hashirama states the jutsu failed to take him down, obviusly any jutsu would fail to take down an edo wich means madara just tanked it
edo madara absorbed it lol, didnt tank it and he even said its really powerful
@@aymanriki1018 im talking about right before obito used rinne tensei, when madara was blocked by wood dragon, hashirama even stated he wouldnt be able to use rinnegan to absorb
Prep time Tobirama is one of the most dangerous characters in the series.
It's batman ! 😂😂😂
Obito's genjutsu is soo good it took away TG's speach at 30 mins in💀
I was cooked bro
3 Tails is NOT a perfect Jinchuriki, he has perfect control of the Biju, it makes total sense it wouldn't break him out of genjutsu.
Agreed they def are on a transactional basis or he’s just forced the 3 tails into submission by taking chakra from it forcefully
Worth noting that Minato himself believed that the fight would be over if Obito landed the first hit on him, and this was stated after experiencing the Kamui warp, so it's likely that Minato understood enough what Obito was trying to do to him and still believed that if he was warped he would lose outright, meaning that FTG wouldn't allow him to escape.
He prob only thought that because he’d never been Kamui’d before….
I hate to bring it up but Boruto confirms FTG would’ve got him out
@@Reggie2kjnope, kamui is a sealed dimension, those other dimensions aren’t
@@Reggie2kj He knew it was ST ninjutsu better than FTG. There's literally nothing left to get. Minato knew exactly what it did and knew he would lose to it. Period.
Boruto isn't canon.
@@Necromancer42671. ftg gets u out
2. boruto is canon lol “period.”
@@georgemccall-zz4pdIf only your opinion mattered to fact. I might be worried.
Was lowkey waiting for u to post 😂
He just DOES NOT STOP cooking🧑🏾🍳 🗣️
My dawg stay in the kitchen 🔥 and editing is straight gass too, did Danzo so dirty tho 28:18, but I agree wit everything. Run up that sage toad tho FR.
THIS IS CRAZY 😭😂😂 I appreciate that a ton my man ✊🏻🔥 Toad Oil from TG inc coming soon
was not expecting this great way to end the night
Good stuff! Every Hokage vs Konan´s Traps next? 👀
Love the vids bro keep it coming 😮💨🙏
Bro Obitos arm falling off on the wrong side was a confirmed animation error
Nice vid. I think Obito is not “just able to use wood style” as half of his body is made of Hashirama cells, or at least that’s what I gather
Yeah he's more so able to use it post Hashirama Cell insertion obviously before that he can't
Another banger from tg when I thought my day couldn't get any better smh
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I fully believe that Tobi's reveal as Obito was not fully planned (or at least multiple seeds were planted and one wasn't fully selected) until nearer to the reveal, and that because of this, Obito's arm vs. Minato is a mistake, but only a retroactive mistake, not a mistake that Kishimoto made out of forgetfulness, but out of lack of complete planning at the time.
What mistake do you mean
@@jasonmoukala8909 The wrong arm gooping off, as TG referenced. Obito's right arm is the Zetsu arm, but against Minato his left arm leaked Zetsu material and fell off.
It was planned, the whole reason his mask is like how it is, is because the creator didn’t want to reveal who is was yet. He knew Obito was Tobi apparently since the beginning
@@CChrissssssy Putting a character in a mask doesn't in any way indicate you know who you plan for them to be 500 chapters later.
Obito can use ninjutsu while intangible btw. A very important note because its easy for most to assume that he has no way of attacking while kamui is active.
TG just got so many good video ideas
Where is this "tobirama can mark one kunai at a time" coming from. He can mark as many as he wants, his base combat speed is above most in the series so he would have plenty of time to mark when needed. He can and has made multiple marks on things especially as they dont dissappear.
We have no idea how many marks Tobirama can manually place and keep active at a time, there’s no way to actually prove it or evidence to support it so it’s just easier to take the baseline and build from there. I was more so noting that Tobirama has to mark his Kunai 1 by 1 as opposed to Minato having all of his pre marked. We don’t know if his mark was active on Obito while he had 1 his Kunai but, even if I steel man and granted you that it just changes literally nothing about the discussion.
We also have no idea how long his marks last for as Minato’s Jutsu formula is just different and may have different properties. Although I agree his base combat speed is high enough to where he wouldn’t struggle with any of this in this fight, it’s more so noting the differences between Minato & Tobirama.
Obito doesn't use his abilities and so he gets underestimated to think Minato will take him . Obito. Has insane Regen
I always leave a TG video with something I never thought about before. Never thought of Isobu not wanting to break Yagura out before.
Man TG, how do you keep coming up with these cool ideas?
Obito as a kid could react to Minato with insane Regen plus his base Sharingan is insane and your assumption all Sharingan abilities won't work
The goat does not sleap!
I really like hearing people talk good about Konan
Excellent interpretations. Many people don’t understand that obito wasn’t gonna just go 1v1the village after minato died like he’s pain. It was important to him to gain more experience and Allies and staying a phantom.
Awesome video as always ThunderGod!
Title alone told me this video was lit
Tobirama has a certain ftg ability that minato doesn’t have, honestly idk how it works but it’s flying raijin slice, we see him use it on izuna with his marked kunai, it allows him to teleport to one’s blind spot, but how did he teleport behind madara with it out of nowhere?
He used body Flick not ftg
Bros naruto content is unrivaled
Ahhh thank you ✊🏻🙏🏻
THE MF DUDLEY THEME FOR THE INTRO!!👌👌🔥🔥 TG KNOWS A BOP WHEN HE HEARS IT!!😭
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@@ThunderGodTG REAL SHIT😤🙏🏽🔥
Idk why people argue Yellow Mask over Orange. Yellow has chains and Kurama wheras Orange is implied by Minato to be in KCM2 tiers of power. They are worlds apart.
Plus, there are 16 years' worth of growth between the 2 versions. No one mentions this seriously enough
There is a third possibility... in that Obitio put both Jinchuriki and the Tailed Beast under the same Genjutsu.
Which I believe is what actually happened
Everyones favorite character obito and itachi 😭
I love how detailed ya get into the what ifs, just to really lead to....IZANAGI BEATS ALL'EM LOL!
Great Video 🙌
kamui is insanely cracked & I love it
TG IS BACK LETS GOOO
“Ive actually theorized 🤓”. -TG
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Had to check that ASAP
@@ThunderGodTG I respect it though, were all geeks here 🤣
I spent all night calculating the probable ages for every relevant character & the succession of Kage during each Shinobi War for a rewrite that will never see the light of day ☠️
Obito could just use Izanagi and stab Hashirama from behind with black rods and restrict his movements, and absorb his chakra like Madara did in the war. Once those rods are in, he won't be able to move or manipulate his chakra anymore, and once that happens, Obito could practically place him under genjutsu and warp him into his time space.
Hashirama required a BACK full of Rinnegan Rods to restrict his movements and even then he was still initiating Jutsu like the Wood Dragon and Deity Gates on Madara. This also assumes the rods Obito is using are the Rinnegan Rods.
@ThunderGodTG Obito has demonstrated the ability to eject multiple black rods simultaneously he'd have no problem covering Hashirama's entire back with them and even if Hashirama were to initiate some jutsu before completely losing the ability to manipulate his chakra and his movements, none of his jutsus would even touch Obito. Obito would just slip right through it all and wait until the Black Rods took full effect and Obito's black rods are like those of Nagato and Madara's, it all comes from the Gedo Statue.
The block rod didn't disrupt Konan's chakra in the slightest as she could even still knead chakra to stand on water, so it's def just some rod he has or was latched off somewhere. It's only presented he does any of that when he actually has the Rinnegan so I would not argue his rods are the same at all.
@ThunderGodTG Obito stabbed Konan with a regular pipe, not a Black Rod, because the arm he uses to eject the Rods was blown off by her attack.
Edited: Black Rods are shown sticking out of Obito's right half during Rins death, and he did not have a Rinnegan at that moment in time. The Black Rod is specifically a Gedo Statue ability not a Rinnegan ability and half of Obito's body comes from the Gedo Statue. Possessing the Rinnegan doesn't automatically give you Black Rods, Sasuke is a perfect example of that.
lol hashrima no diffs obito
Arm scaling go crazy
Can you do a Video on WHAT IF Each Uchiha in Obito's Position in The Nine Tails Attack?
Yo I like the idea that Ibisu is just extra petty, lol, and Yagura just beat the beast into submission under obitos control 🤣
luh u bro
Luv you too
I think him losing his left arm against Minato is an animation mistake. Why? Because most of the time Obito gets damaged, it's always the white part of his body. In the fight with Minato, it even shows it melting while his back had zero scratches on it. He just jumps away even after being stabbed in the torso, which makes Obito's durability insane. Maybe he needs the white parts for something that we don't know about. Otherwise, he would just let it completely be the same color as his skin. Perhaps over time the Zetsu parts lose something when they turn to Obito's skin color.
In conclusion, Obito needs the white Zetsu parts for something, but they seem to be less durable than his actual body. For more proof, this is not the only mistake the animation team has made, so yeah, it's totally possible. also When Obito was in the cave with Madara, the Zetsu parts of his body were very skinny and weak. But over time, they turned into the same shape as his left side. Maybe the Zetsu parts turn into what his original body was like over time, and he doesn't color them or something stupid like that. Obito completely covers his whole body anyway, so there is zero point in coloring it.
“He won’t teleport to the bottom of the ocean”
Nah he’s gotta check up on Jiraiya bro
Outlandish comment
I believe in Lord Danzo! The Sixth Hokage!!
ok danzo burner
That tobirama & Izuna fight happened long ago, they were younger. Tobirama has gotten stronger since then. 👍
Completely missed the point of that section
@@ThunderGodTG No, no.
I only said that for others. Because most people think Lord Second is still Izuna's level. No problems with ya
Lord of Thunder, i always enjoy listening to ya. Keep it up. Be real. 👍👏
Ahh I see apologies 🙏🏻
TG THE GAWD 🔥🔥🔥
So here the Sauce🗿🗿🗿
Fire vid 🔥🔥.
If obito is not blitzing hashirama, then he is not blitzing tobirama. 👍
Tobiramas defense force has arrived
29:52 🤓my theory is: isobu is just a dumb baby at the time. It died with Rin then when it was revived, it’s like it starts from scratch as a baby again
Konan respect 🔥
Always hate seeing her downplayed bc she got prep time
30:11 bro gave himself the ick lmfaoo 💀
Nah that shit was disgusting had to check that insatntly
Guy, kakashi, sakura, neji, etc all got stronger in the 2-3 year time skip. Obito should have gotten insanely stronger 16 long years after fighting minato.
The fact he was close to Minato means he likely just coasted.Hes prob stronger from practicing his ability.But without stronger opponents he wouldnt get insanely stronger.
@@Archer170 obito should have become the new peedster after minato died. It was 16 yrs, not 16 days.
He had more potential than many others, he even activated MS young, had hashi cells, could control the ""weakest bijuu (kurama) ""??? 😂
But he turned out to be a failure. I blame kishimooto writing 😞
@@kelvinallen9327I'm of the opinion that OM Obito ~ KCM2 Naruto
I was not expecting to hear bullet station from sonic heroes. Great OST.
I actually think obito used izanagi for 1 minute against conan and it reset his kamui timer so he just kamuied through 9 minutes of paper bombs. I have no way of proving this but I think it's a solid theory
32:33
"If we're generous" ???
We saw Tobirama utilize a kunai with a FTG mark on it against Izuna. This is like FTG 2 decades before Minato was born. He already had it on hand apparently. WTH! And even if it wasn't, It doesn't take a second for something to be marked to be even considered a set back during combat in terms of prep time where a FTG seal is concerned. It's short of breathing . Y'all got this thing wrong. This Minato over Tobirama BS got y'all twisted.
Ain’t NO WAY! Not like bro corrected that not even 10 seconds past the timestamp! Finish the vid before you comment shit like that. Nobody brought up Minato vs Tobirama either you just yapping.
i think you should do a video akin to this but with either half kurama or full kurama. and make kurama run a guantlet of actually relevant characters in relation to it through the story.
Yea the skin arm always bothered me but since you mention Hashirama DNA... what if Obito used the Rinnegan's power to summon the King of Hell to repair his arms, his actual arms, and even mix this procedure with Hashirama cells so now his arms and body is stronger and better than before. Now that wouldn't make sense but it feels like it's something Obito would try in an attempt to better use the Rinnegan no less make his Six Paths of Pain out of the Edo Tensei Jinchuriki. It would be FUCKED up because that means White Masked Obito is MORE powerful than we're led on. But that's just an assumption, very unlikely one. Like that's REACHING that he would do something like that... then again, he survived getting the Tailed Beasts extracted out of him no less doing the Rinne Rebirth on Madara, forcefully. BUT AGAIN, it doesn't explain later on with that side of his body still all white when clearly it wasn't... unless he has some Jutsu that disguises his skin color. LIKE... No, that would be stupid!
SO... Deidara took a few years of his life to have his eyepatch eye to ignore Sharingan Genjutsu and failed while Konan prepped a paperbomb Jutsu meant to trick the Sharingan. HAHA, that's actually funny! That's a good win for her! I'm glad!
Good video. No arguments about each confrontation.
Worth noting that Hokage Kakashi’s omnidirectional shinden is arguably one of the best counters for Obito’s Kamui
Can you talk about a hypothetical dual sharingan obito against the 4th hokage when he went to get the nine tails. I lean towards obito wining this match if he would’ve had both of his sharingan
I actually do think YM Obito did have a second sharingan since old man Madara did have one sharingan in the opposite eye socket.
Yeah I brought that up in another pocket it’s possible, unless you somehow argue Obito used that to actually test the Izanagi as opposed to him maybe using it later after getting mad Sharingan from the massacre.
@@ThunderGodTG him using it for a test run would explain why he didn’t use it during the Kyuubi attack.
This is so random but I’m here for it
People say Kakashi copied thousands of jutsu as a spy which obito he was in most of his life , he should have tons of abilities which he has copied along side others he learned re-animation jutsu from Kabuto , plus forbidden jutsu , his genjutsu is crazy for him to be able to control perfectly jenjuriki.. so Obito will stomp
Zetsu also records fights for Obito to watch so you have a point there
You have a point. Zetsu also records fights for Obito to watch, so he must know a ton of jutsu.
You ever consider doing a full video on if Kakashi was instated as Kage either during or after the 5Kage summit.
I do think that people downplay Konan’s power somewhat, but she’s still just nowhere near the level of obito or even several other ataksuki members. Her only hope against obito was catching him off guard with a trap that she set earlier. In an unplanned battle between them konan gets stomped hard.
12:49 Chills
HUH!?!
Put the Sannin here too. Individually with same conditions.
If Shikamaru had the same opportunity as Konan, I'd say he'd prepare for the fight just as well as her, if not better. Dude is like batman
Please do a video about how each generation of kage do against madara PLEASEE OHH PLEASEE
pretty sure there is nothing even mentioned or hinted at saying her 600bill bombs was prepared before hand. this is a theory that the naruto community heard and simply ran with because the concept of 600bill bombs is kinda unimaginable and if there is someone capable to dropping 600billion bombs on you at will kinda breaks the naruverse.
what we do know is that after this jutsu she was drained of all chakra this fact alone confirms the jutsu was was something like a transmutation jutsu completely debunking the she stored 600billion bombs under water "THEORY" . i can confidently say she transmuted ocean into bombs. now you could argue the prep was her choosing the location or learning the ability of turn ocean to paper and how much chakra is required to hold for 10min
Konan literally says she prepared 600 Billion Paper Bombs to kill Obito & ran simulations to kill him she 1000% prepared them in advance. The paper bombs themselves actually have different properties the databook note & can take the form of not only earth but, water.
Konan did make them but, there is no evidence to infer she made them all at that specific moment especially if denoting all of them instantly drops her chakra supply to where she can't maintain the Dance of the Shikigami.
I just hate how teleportation is considered speed in universe, hella nitpicky
It's really weird cause Body Flicker & Other Techniques are also called the same thing which muddies the water further. Now we can find out which is which through looking at the Kanji but like why TF we gotta do all that lmao
Izanagi is so broken i cant see anyone but the first beating obito. Unless they are expecting it thats a free crit obito can get on any of them which would swing the fight to obito with the first maybe able to power through it. Just imagine kamui plus being able to repsawn youre not dodging that hit. Obviously naruto is just gonna fondle him
I feel like we really needed some Hashirama fights. He exists just to oppose Madara but I have no idea how he deals with Kamui, he just wins cause power level yunno. We needed some more variety from him other than survivability, power and some contact or smell-based sealing.
Yeah it’s kinda unfortunate that he’s only really challenged by Madara and just outright above everyone else. Honestly the passive Kamui of nature saves Obito for a little but Hashirama’s overwhelming force of Jutsu + SM for suprise attacks + Wood clones for back coverage make it so he’s either gonna catch Obito when materialized or outright stall out the Kamui timer
@@ThunderGodTG I mean now that you remind me of Sage mode, I can kinda see it hapenning. Cause withough SM or some kind of teleportation I can't see anyone surviving an Obito surprise attack. Even konan had the benefit of prep time.
You glazed over Hashirama so quickly. What if Obito just blitzes Hashirama with a Kamui grab? If Obito can react to Minato’s slicing speed, Obito is surely reacting to anything Hashirama does physically.
Hashirama scales to EMS Madara who is outright superior to the Rinnegan Edo Obito is on par but, weaker than. Coupled with Sage Mode Sensory it’s very unlikely he catches Hashirama off guard as even Minato could sense Obito’s presence the only time he’s grabbed. So Hashirama’s reactions & physicals are just much higher generally + Wood Clones to cover rear spots for Obito’s reemergence from the Kamui Dimension which Obito may not even be able to differentiate from the original Hashirama as only EMS Madara ever could.
It’s just a stomp in 14 different directions with the passive Naruto of Kamui making this a conversation at all.
@@ThunderGodTG right. I know Minato reacted to Obito due to being a sensory type, but Obito still grabbed him. Minato has been noted to be extremely fast. Fast enough to go toe-to-toe with the fastest characters in the verse, even without FTG. So Obito actually grabbing Minato is a pretty awesome feat for a younger Obito. Giving Hashirama sage mode does make this a conversation for reaction times, but without SM, I don’t see Hashirama reacting to a blitzing Kamui grab. Wood clones are just clones. They can work as blind spot covers. But you’d still have to disperse them before the attack and have the intel transmit to the original before the grab even happens. That’s a looooong shot.
I know Hashirama scales to EMS Madara. But that doesn’t inherently make Hashirama just neg diff Obito because of reputation. Obito is a very overpowered character in this show. I’m just not sure base Hashirama has anything to counter Obito. Sage mode Hashirama is definitely winning though.
It’s just the type of thing where Hashirama either continually presses him with Ninjutsu using up his timer or catches Obito due to a stat disparity when Obito actually materializes which is closer to what happens
Question: I really wonder, as the tailed beasts often have certain chakra natures and kekkei genkai, which does kurama have? I think I read on narutopedia or somethin that its wind and fire (probably reasoned as on the ninetails attack he boasts flame like bursts and during the pain fight vreates tornados...). Bro do you know maybe?
Hokage Kakashi isn't winning, no way, no how!
Can you make a what if Minato had his jutsu from the Naruto shippuden movie The Tower. How would things play out
They did Shikamaru dirty in Boruto, he's a shadow of his former self
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Why does it always feel like u done these videos already😭
"Right now, no one control its chakra". Would Itachi even be included in this as he's dead at the end of the third databook?
Itachi was insanely ill and nearing blindness near Shippuden so him not being able to control the Kyuubi makes sense as it requires insane amounts of chakra to do as even Obito can only do it for a short while.
@@ThunderGodTG
I don't know whether the statement would include him at all as right now is specified and he wouldn't be alive then just like madara.
The only proof he can control it is his own word that mangekyo can control kyuubi and the sharingans utmost limit being controlling kyuubi.
No direct proof he can control it but nothing against him not controlling it either.
You also mentioned one of kaguyas dimensions as super gravity? Is that an accurate translation.? Cause I have heard super gravity can be higher dimensional
This is all assuming you go off the MS controlling the Nine Tails as outright fact as opposed to Uchiha clan mythos passed down by the Uchiha.
I have not seen or heard of any alternate translations for the super gravity dimension, and I’ve pretty much know all the main ones for Kaguya, if it was higher dimensional I feel like I would have been exposed to it at some point as that’s pretty crucial for like 4D Naruto.
@@ThunderGodTG
True.
I haven't seen it for naruto either but super gravity in theoretical physics is considered higher dimensional . I have seen godzilla scalers using this so I remembered.
I noticed some of your opinions changed since your colab with Swag. What changed your mind about Tobirama and Hokage Kakashi?
I actually did have those opinions they just didn't really come out into that recording. If you look at either the Pain or Itachi video done they'll represent that
@@ThunderGodTG Fair enough. What video of yours could I watch to get your take on Tobirama vs Minato? Who do you have winning and how many times out of ten?
I put Minato winning like 7-8/10 high-ish difficulty (alive hokage vs alive hokage).
I always though Tobirama was weaker than Minato at the things Minato is good at (speed, FTG, sealing, etc), but Tobirama has more chakra and more jutsu. So he's almost like a Minato-Hiruzen hybrid with some senju DNA, haha.
Appreciate your content. Keep up the good work!
When you say( and also other creators) how Edo characters like Tobirama in this case is comparable to EMS Sasuke and like KCM 1.5 Naruto, how come y’all never mentioned how the alive versions are stated to be stronger and faster? If we say Edo Tobirama is ~ KCM 1.5 lvl of speed, then alive Tobirama should be much faster. If that’s the case then He would absolutely clear Obito(fought Konan) in speed category
It’s not a quantifiable jump to much at all, they are stronger but, the only follow up is by just a little since they’re almost at FP. It’s kinda a mute point that doesn’t add much to the convo
Sigh, people just don't understand how to powerscale Tsunade. I don't understand why they never include katsuyu in her vs matches when Tsunade's nickname is literally slug princess/queen. Sakura figured out how kamui worked with just one interaction and Tsunade was the one who taught Sakura how to watch her opponent's every move, before, during and after an attack. Tsunade will figure out how kamui work just like Sakura, Katsuyu clone being on Tsunade's shoulder will be there to prevent any chances of Tsunade getting pulled into the kamui dimension as she can just spit acid to prompt his kamui, attack him with her large clone size, try to trap him, etc. (Katsuyu is so versatile!) Tsunade can then follow up on the cooldown time as she is fast enough to do so and one shot him. Even if she does get pulled into the kamui dimension, Katsuyu can still communicate with herself and Tsunade thanks to the byakugou seal regardless of the distance. Katsuyu is also a sensory type and she will find obito's chakra whenever he uses kamui in his dimension to evade another attack from the real world and can just one shot the body part that he dematerializes in the real world into the kamui dimension with her acid.
Katsuyu also just nullifies kamui in general as she can split apart immediately and can just reverse summon herself or Tsunade back and vice versa. A Katsuyu clone being on Tsunade's shoulder also means she will be able to sense obito if he tries to sneak up on Tsunade with Kamui thanks to senjutsu. Tsunade also has top tier reactions thanks to being the best medical ninja aside from Sakura. Its possible that Tsunade uses her lightning chakra on herself to enhance her reaction speed as we know she uses it to scramble opponents nervous systems, basically making them immobile. Katsuyu can also be used as a marker as she can split into any size she wants so a mini Katsuyu clone small enough that obito can't see can attach herself to him and basically becomes a tracker for Tsunade and Katsuyu. With that, Tsunade can use offensive medical ninjutsu or send body pathway derangement through that Katsuyu clone and immobilize Obito, securing her victory. Katsuyu/Tsunade are highly resistant/immune to genjutsu thanks to the shared connection with the byakugou seal and Katsuyu in general just being Katsuyu having a hivemind and an independent mind simultaneously. (Katsuyu can break Tsunade out of genjutsu and Tsunade can break Katsuyu out of genjutsu and Katsuyu can break other katsuyu clones out of genjustu. Even though I don't see how Tsunade would be placed under genjustu to begin with thanks to the byakugou seal being the pinnacle of chakra control.) Imma stop here as a lot more can be said so imma reply to any comments that wanna discuss/debate.
Tsunade not gonna let you hit bro
@@ThunderGodTG And I don't wanna hit Tsunade, so your joke is actually kind of sad. Try to power scale the character correctly for once.
the kakashi part you took completely out of context since obito wanted to remove the seal to become the juubi's jinchuuriki and in fact obito is stronger than kakashi even the orange mask
I specifically only reference when Obito references Kakashi hitting him mid phase, which also just draws up blood from Obito. Obito calls back to this later on in his convo with Kakashi, it's obviously not in reference to the bout itself.
Make a video on why rinnegan sage madara solo's the 4 hokage together
What if each Hokage fought guy (7th gate for fairness) in Madara’s position