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it's good to have people like you in this world, always reflecting everything in a positive way
Reflecting like mel w
It's the true, the moment you realize you suck at league, thats when u get better and climb.
That's why I think Diamond/Low master are the worst players in league, because they reach master, then they think they are really good, but they still trash, and they won't get better because they don't even realize it.
It's all about psychology, mathematics, and not being human and talking to others while playing to compliment them or w/e else.
@peept I'm sorry but league players are the only people that think being top 5 percent of the player base makes you bad. If you're masters or diamond you are good at the game, you're seeking perfection not just being good. That's like saying "yeah he's the worst electrician ever, he's only making 120k a year and works in industrial but he's not the top .5 percent earner so I mean he's the worst." No im not missing the point I get you're trying to call them delusional and say they won't improve cause they think they're good, but they are good so it seems kinda dumb to call them the worst just because they've got an ego they've earned. Now if you're silver or gold or bronze and think you're good yeah you're delusional. Honestly league's ranking system is the most brutal of any game I've played. Leagues ranking system makes siege and other ranking systems look like a joke.
@@peept the real problem with people is that they assume that if someone from low elo says that they play well that automaticlly means that they dont admit mistakes. That might not be true.
If I say I play well and I win my lane nost of the time it can be true just as the fact that my mid lost 0/7 to sylas who is just oneshotting me. If (let's say I play ADC) my support doesnt do anything to stop that sylas (or anyone else) it's not on me anymore if I lose that game.
This is just an example. But if someone is playing well and loses it's not always "you stuck in low elo because you dont admit your mistakes". Sometimes it's: "just play well consistenly enough and you will climb
thank you genuinely for taking the time to gently and non-abrasively explain the cognitive dissonance present in the question given. its a genuine skill to be able to weave such important and useful information into your words without sounding condescending and it shows a deeper respect for the intelligence of the person youre trying to help. it doesnt seem like a lot but this helps people not get beaten down more than they already are
I'd like to add, though. You can't even estimate your elo, unless you play 100 games or more in a season and preferably same patch or with your champ unaffected.
When I couldn't play I was sometimes stuck silver, when I could I easily got into old plat.
Nicest way of saying stop coping and git gud ive ever heard
it's not about being nice it's about explaining something
Idk, i can relate to this viewer of azzapp, i've been emerald almost always, right now im hardstuck gold, not because im playing ever bad (not saying im perfect), but because every game its mission impossible to carry as toplaner if bot lane runs it down, what happens in 50% of my games
@@TheDounazzdo yourself a favor and quit this game. It matches you with terrible teammates that even if you win it never feels good because to carry in league you have to play the most boring way possible. I’m taking my competition itch to more productive things and not sink my life into this trash game (solo q)
@@TheDounazzbro are you really saying you cant carry in gold as an emerald top player? Just stomp your lane and 1v3 sidelane the rest of the game wtf
@@Filip-xx9lj ye i have realized playing carry/side lane champ is the only solution, team fighting or tank champs doesnt work in this elo, im just learning few champs more
Challenger player: Ahh I make so many mistakes I'm so bad!
Low elo player: Omg I'm perfect but can't carry my team. Losers queue!
Hell no the average high elo player is not any better at admitting their mistakes than a low elo player, in some cases its even worse due to an extremely inflated ego
@@AhmedHassan-lv6ldyeah but average gm smokes silvers,, usually,, neither me or my friends can do but after that many year's it must be something wrong with us to not be able 😂😂
@@AhmedHassan-lv6ldNah Ive noticed a pattern watching high elo streamers, they more easily admit their mistakes, even the ones with ego will go through their replays (something low elo players won't do either) and even if they're flaming their team they will usually point alternative actions to avoid an outcome.
@@AhmedHassan-lv6ldi mean this is just not true though? a lot of high elo (master+) players say "my bad" and review their mistakes what they could have done better. the ego inflated ones still do the same thing they just dont want to admit out loud that they made a mistake. (i would know, im low key one of them even if im noy an ass) but they do realize they fucked up when they fuck up and learn from it even the toxic high elo players with ego, even if they dont want to admit it out loud. also i at least know from experience becausew i do have a bit of an ego even if im not an asshole about it, that what truly makes me tilt the most and get pissed off is when i fuck up stupidly. nothing hurts your ego more than fucking up something you know you could do better usually. and if youre tilted enough you might not want to admit out loud that you screwed up. but i do recognize the mistake and learn from it regardless.
no way do u think challenger players are remotely humble or self-deprecating like that lol
I started to play warwick jungle recently alot and started with like 30% win rate. Always taught that my 0/10/1 top or midlane was at fault, but then i started to watch replays and analyze them. Learned what i was doing wrong and now im on 7 game win streak. Jumped up whole division.
Way to go!! Watching your replays puts you way ahead of the average player :) Many people do not like studying and reflection, but that is very helpful when trying to pursue greatness.
@@The23rdGamer Issue with that is, people who want to review their replays they have absolutely no clue what to even look for when looking at the replay.
Me included, I don't review games anymore, because for me it is completely pointless to review a game if I have absolutely no clue wtf am I supposed to do at all
@@SKandSCSVery common issue is that they won't even try watching the replay and complain that they're trying to learn when they're not even doing anything.
When you actually watch stuff back and if you have even the smallest bit of brain you will see what you did wrong in the replay. Even if you don't know what you should improve/do better, you'll at least know what stupid decision to avoid. I see so many bad players that die for no reason. I think dying is the best reason to finally correct your mistakes, you'll see it's very obvious in replay when you die.
Top laners 0-10 because of jungle diff
@ how when im doing a first 2 camps in game and he dies. Then comes back and keeps dying nonstop
There are two reasons for why you get matched with bad players:
-they are bad
-you are worse
Them being bad is not a reason why youre getting matched with bad players.
That first reason makes no sense you just spitting some npc shit for few likes lmao
There are good games, there are great games, but there's also bad and worse games. You'd think playing champions with the highest winrate can give you wins but there are other factors including pick rate, counter picks, lane match-up winrate, synergies, recommended builds, and situational builds.
It's not that easy, low elo has a tons of smurfs and players that want to be stuck in iron who would sell the accounts, but they are smurfs. So in ranked I get matched against players who aren't iron at all. So I quit playing rank entirely. I know I can win my lane , but the disparity of matchmaking is too high. Riot does nothing to fix it. There are many stories about higher elos players stuck in iron and they say it's the hardest division for a reason.
@@truli91 Pure cope. I both boosted to high ranks and deranked accounts to iron in order to sell them. If you are ACTUALLY good at the game, you will win. You just will. Even when you are "unlucky" you will 1v5 in iron. Iron players are literally quadriplegic, and even if you are a victim to people both deranking on your team and boosting on the enemy, it's literally not possible for that to happen every game while also being 50/50 if it's in your favor or not, and all the other games you will win singlehandedly. You just have no perception of how badly you're playing.
Not enough people talk about how important the AMOUNT of games you play a season or split is. Its not enough to play 50-100 games a split/season if your winrate is 53% or smth. Gotta pump those numbers up, stay consistent and keep on actively improving
Yes and no. I create a smurf and go 30-5 and am in diamond lobbies while like Gold 2.
This is exactly what riot- a multi-billion dollar company wants you to do. It wants you to keep playing
Whether or not it’s condescending heavily depends on what the person saying it is intending for it to mean. The specific way it’s phrased betrays said intent. If it’s someone saying “git gud” or “it’s so easy”, it’s easy to tell that the person isn’t trying to help, just insult. But if it’s phrased in a way that points out a potential cause or detail like how Azzapp explained it here, it’s clearly done with the intent to help, even if it might force you to confront a detail about yourself that you might not be ready to hear yet. Unfortunately, if you go on Reddit or Twitter, insults are by far the most common response you’ll get. Not ALL, but most.
That’s why we appreciate you, Azzapp (and the BBC, too)!
The BBC??? Hello???
@@angellopez5315broken by concept
we love BBC in this house ❤
I feel like most people forget that you need to play a lot of games to climb. I made that mistake where I got mad with the first 2 unlucky ranked games and quit ranked for the season. The moment I started to actually play the game I climbed 2 whole ranks just like that. Sample size matters to decrease your bad luck.
If you average less than 100 games a year, you probably won't climb much unless you really have a jump in skill level. There just simply won't be enough games to convince the system that you are a player.
not rly
@@The23rdGamer that's just... untrue
Yeah that’s true, I used to play maybe 15-20 games and stop after hitting gold 1/2. And then I tried to play more, last season I played maybe 30 games and got plat. And still I think it’s not a big amount of games and I can climb higher.
It’s not condescending of them, it’s a fact. It’s not saying “you aren’t playing well for your level of experience or the player you are” it’s saying you aren’t playing well ENOUGH to continuously climb which is just a fact. Like with me I know I play well on Rell and I have fun with that, but nowhere NEAR well enough to be high ranked, just well enough for my standards and what I’m happy with
Yes, the thing about league is, that it isnt enough to be a bit better than you opponents. Lets say you are Plat level player, you might easily reach Gold. But it will still be a grind to get to plat. Or you get decent rng with a winning streak to get to your true skill level.
You just need to be margins better than your opponent to carry
@@melihtopcu97it's matematically enough to consistently be a bit better than your opponent and climb if you play enough games
@Dani_el_Duck league isn't a job though.
@@doublereel-real Enough doesn't mean 8 hours a day every day, I climbed to master while playing less than 200 games each season, granted, it took me a few seasons as I became a better player, but I still reached that eventually, since the MMR stays the same.
@@Iruperu you're absolutely right. But you're probably also an exception. As someone that's been peak gold 1 and put time into vod reviewing and trying to improve the right way across multiple seasons I can confidently say that results aren't guaranteed even if you're doing it the right way. I do believe if I put enough time and effort and put that time and effort in the right places I could climb, I think that's true of virtually everyone. But playing 200 games a season and reaching masters after a few seasons is genuinely impressive and not something most of us can casually achieve.
This lesson applies to more than just league.
Very good advice, before I used to always blame something else for my low rank and I couldn't reach gold for a long time. Then I started to blaming everything on myself, which made me rethink my plays and start improving on my mistakes from that moment on I peaked high emerald and we will see if I can keep it up. Point is this might be the best advice for anyone playing this game. Accept your mistakes, analyze them, understand them and work on fixing them. Your team cant be your excuse every game
Be me.
People tell me I have diamond+ level analysis.
Peak rank lifetime is gold 3 cuz execution of knowledge in match is such a completely different thing from just knowing it
Exactly.
There were 2 times I got into Diamond: Pre-Rework full support Nunu jungle, and pre-nerf Sona Top. Both times champs with no micro, all macro kind of play, and both times abusing something super strong that most players slept on and found boring or outright troll - in Sona's case it blew up 6 months later, unfortunately, or I actually might have carried it all the way to D1, I had 70% winrate when it got gutted.
All other seasons, consistent platin player (before emerald was a thing, emerald after). I got close a few times, and every single time it was something that required very little mechanics but a lot of out-of-the-box thinking - Janna mid, AP trynd, Soraka top, that kind of stuff.
Mostly gated by mechanics, and that means making tons and tons of mistakes, beginning with shoddy CSing - notice how the champs I was good at either CSed with 0 skill required like Janna or outright ignored CSing altogether by design like Sona top. That alone would forever condemn me to sub-diamond play, cause mechanically I just wasn't a good player.
Happens
as a diamond player, my winrate is higher in diamond then in my smurf account I use to play with silver friends. Low elo is so chaotic, the games are just 100% coinflip. Its either you can 1v5 alone to win as samira or aatrox or something like that or your team actually does not troll.
I can not stress enoguh how important the point is he makes in this video. I was quite hardstuck gold for a season with like 500 games when i adopted an extreme of this mentality. I thought to myself theres nothing in this world i can do to influence the clicks of my teammates so I reviewed every single interaction to see what I could have done differently to get a positive outcome. Ofc your teammates will do a ton of mistske but it is an art of league to make plays outcome to your advantage despite that.
Typically if you are having trouble with climbing it is 3 things you're missing while doing the things most people consider to be good:
1. You're missing timers to impact the map by setting up objectives with vision, or roaming to put others ahead
2. You are forgetting to back to buy items losing future pressure by being weaker to do number 1
3. You're struggling with lane assignments to pull aggro to you/ keep lanes pushed in sidelanes to enable number 1 for your team.
This game is purely objective based, even if you have 10 csm you will lose if you dont convert leads into objectives, you can have 7 csm and be 0-3 and still out impact lane opponents to win games, have 20 kill blowouts dont matter of you dont kill the nexus
One thing I'd love to see is people who never played below emerald play ONLY the champ they play in Challenger at Iron elo and climb out of it. It would be really informative as to how you adapt your playstyle depending on the elo.
NB : maybe not iron but silver - plat more likely
even going from platinum to silver you will instantly notice that you can trust your teammates infinitely less. im a jungler and ive made myself a promise that i will never ever lock in an engage tank or ivern in any game below diamond 4. unless that engage tank is skarner because you can 1v9 with skarn
My biggest issue as a diamond ADC player is playing in the gold-plat elos during hard resets.
I’m sure a challenger ADC could win the lobbies, but it’s like playing the game on hard mode when you’re team fundamentally doesn’t understand concepts like team fight formation, priority targets, lockdown, peeling.
Many challenger youtubers do it.
Out of the top of my head: -Alois (toplaner who does "climb till masters" videos in many champs)
-Skillcapped (adc main who teaches a lot of strategies focused on low elo)
Main tips to play low elo:
-Focus on yourself. Don't expect anything from your team, stop judging them.
-If you're ahead, don't risk dying for no reason.
-Expand your lead as much as you can. Gold buy itens, itens win games. Make the decisions that will give you the most gold.
@igorclaudino891 you dont have to say skillcapped just call him what he is - ezreal.
But actually play on a account that has been silver and below for a while not a new account. A friend of mine gets 18lp for win and loses 27lp on loss on bronze
partially true but unlike in fighting games where the onus is entirely on you to improve, league is a team game. and if you're a supportive player (pure tanks, enchanter, current meta assassins), you genuinely need a half decent team to climb. it's less about challenger stuck in silver and more so plat stuck in silver or diamond stuck in emerald. you're definitely not the greatest but also straight up don't have the opportunity to adapt yourself to (relatively) higher level gameplay if you're stuck supporting people without hands (you can create all the tempo in the world but whose to say your team would be able to even recognize it). you don't have the time or experience to brute force climb on an otp nor the desire to slave away playing bruisers (the objectively boring-est class). well, if you're a supportive player, in the current meta, it's honestly just worth taking a break. get your life back on track lol
People have climbed to very high ranks on every role including with the champs you're talking about. Yes, it's a team game which means you can't force a 100% winrate by your skill alone and you WILL lose some games, but the law of averages will make you climb over time, period, if you actually deserve it and outperform your lane counterpart on average, that's just a statistical fact.
Just because someone performed at emerald level in the past does not make them emerald level now, in a different meta and with the general level of skill in the game improving over time.
Bronze 2 right now with about a 60% wr right now. I played ranked a bit last season but I got stuck in the "my team is trash" mindset and stayed in iron. I don't think I'm much better than I was then but my mental is completely different, I don't care about the individual win and am playing purely to have fun. Went from iron 3 to bronze 2 in like 30 games. I'm not some authority figure on climbing ranked but from what I've seen having a strong mental is like 90% of it.
It's all a numbers game. If you win more than you lose, you'll climb.
You can only really carry games if you're way higher than your in game rank or duo queue, otherwise it just takes a lot of consistent gameplay.
He's not even condescending, he is saying it in such a kind way.
In my own experience when i was stuck in emerald i changed 2 things and whoop 75% win rate to dia 1
1. Playing for myself play like the villain and the hero at the same time if that makes sense
2. Never go for any plays if not guaranteed unless you are losing the game and need a hail Mary
3.mute all dont listen to your teams dumb calls
Low elo can hold you back a little, i know from experience, playing in platinum was easier for me than playing in silver.
But still, beign platinum still means being really far away from being decent at the game.
The only mentality you should have in low elo is that you don't win cause you're not good enough to solo carry games, when I said plat was easier I meant that I didn't have to solo carry anymore, at least one member in my team was doing something good enough to enable me/cover my mistakes.
One very noticeable exception that every challenger streamer has mentioned.. the low elo players are unpredictable. Every time i see a challenger climb, they struggle more in silver than anywhere else. >Silver players are like bots.
The mindset should always be what can I do better.
The issue is that statistically, you should climb to the rank you are at the skill level of. The reality is that team MMR balancing and personal winrate balancing make it really hard to just climb to the next rank; you have to be skilled beyond the rank you want to climb to in order to get there in any amount of a timely fashion.
just like what Superliminal said in the game "perception is not reality"
I'm plat. And thats about the most I'd get. I dont have the time to get any better nor the motivation. And I'm happy with it
After watching few of my own matches i was like "you know what , silver is good enough"
When I was low elo I thought I was the near-perfect support. I always had the lowest deaths on the team every game. "This match is definitely not on me," I thought. After all, I'm not the one feeding, right?
After I got some coaching, the scales fell off my eyes. Know why my deaths were so low? I wasn't maintaining parallel with my ADC. I'd play enchanters, sit back and buff/shield them, wouldn't play bushes or consistently walk up to trade. I never roamed. I didn't look at the map much.
The coach I've worked with the longest was brutal and could spend 2 hours analyzing a replay with me. It was agonizing. "Why are you using sweeper here? Everyone should be on the opposite side of the map because (objective) is up." Omg. All of a sudden my "I probably just have a couple things to work on uwu" turned into WOW, I'M A MESS 😂 but I learned I was passively being a menace to my team mates in ways I hadn't considered. So much of this game is about being thoughtful and thinking actively and criticially.
For those wondering, I'm D4 peak. Not the best, but I improve very steadily over the years and I've been enjoying seeing myself get a little better as time goes on. For my support mains out there, practice ADC and jungle every so often. It helps you understand what your ADC and jungler needs and will give you the wisdom needed to make better calls and engages. It's all about empathy and understanding macro.
literally battled with that toxic thought for like 2 years before i was able to climb. It’s literally as easy as if you’re actually that good you will climb
WHAT YOU CAN DO BETTER! Not what others didnt do, KEY WORDS , YOU!
easiest way to go about it is that the same way that there are different ranks and divisions also translates to the people in those. one player HAS to be the strongest Iron II player one player HAS to be the worst Platinum V player
in the end the end of all games comes to macro diff and man advantage
you being good individually is good for your team, but it won't win you the game.
playing for macro and confrontations with man advantage and learning how to close games from a position of strength is the only way to climb solo q
if you have a permanent team you need all that and proper communication: short calls, clear comms and game mentality while playing the game.
honestly, Azzapp is right. Ego kills any climb.
If you feel like you play well on games you loose and play badly on games you win, you need to understand that you are folding to stress. if you are playing badly you already have no hope and no longer feel stressed to push for a win, this translates in making less mistakes and actually trying to help others on your team so they can win for you.
The problem with this mentality is that you can start making more mistakes by thinking you werent playing well when you actually were, like for example: if i had a game where my botlane is 0 20 at 15, and i went put of lane 2 0 with a 40 cs lead, i probably played pbjectively pretty well but will probably lose, of what i take away from that game is that i should try to go 20 0 or 0 20 to compensate for how bad my teammates were that game, im gonna become a worse player in the future, but if i acknowledge that my teammates were garbage, i can keep doing the right things to get better instead of losing it.
People say that the hardest thing to do is to admit your own mistakes, but honestly its much harder to feel/acknowledge that many games are outside of your control and theres very little you can do about it.
Depends from your style of play. Some champs have bigger impact than others specialy support ones that dont do a lot of dmg.
I changed two things in my game and climbed plat 1 to diamond 4, one of them was build, the other one was giving the proper importance to waves and pushing
Real it’s so annoying how often ppl on league are so quick to place the blame on everyone else
Remember you playing well is based off statistics which requires games...lots of games for the percentages to become accurate. The more you play the more you can see where you're at with pros and cons.
Just keep playing. If you’re better than the ones you’re playing with, you WILL climb
Some times its just communication. And some times its pressure. If you can go even in lane but you have so much pressure that you're getting shit done every time youre on the map then youll climb.
The discrepancy comes from there being so much you need to do in league, some of it much more important than the rest. It doesn't matter how well you play the 1v1, if you're not looking at the map and making decisions based on what you see on it. Playing with full attention, constantly thinking about where you should be and what everyone else is/could be doing. But it would be easy to think "oh jungle gap, my team holds me back", when in reality you simply failed to make good decisions which lead to you being gankable in the first place.
I’ve been hard stuck low elo for years, once i mentally prepared myself that im just better and i dont need to panic, i went from silver to plat in 3 weeks with 71% wr and positive kda. Ive been told theres something wrong with me and all that, but its just mentality. Every lane i play i win, sometimes i lose cause of objectives, other wise i win hard and i only played like 25 games this season.
I think the biggest thing is simply Time. You do have to commit to grinding several games a day to actually rank up. You can’t play 3 games a day and realistically expect to both improve and get to the rank you want.
A lot of league is ultimately a knowledge check. So yes it's time, but it's also about how you use that time. If you vod review, watch better players at your champ+position, and approach the game with a perspective of trying to improve on your own gameplay rather than just caring about results, you will get results much faster.
if you are strong you rank up is an objectively undeniable truth that only delusional player stucked in low that would never admit they are bad can refuse to agree on.
You will lose games, you can lose streak, even de-rank, but if you constantly play well and avoid the tilt by focusing on your own gameplay only then you’ll climb guaranteed. Improving is the goal, the rank is the reward
A friend of mine thought he was doing really good but just got the worse teams, he mostly played jax top, and I can see why he thought that considering he usually dominated his lanes.
Problem is, while he was doing good in early, past that his only plan was keep pushing top. Never being careful if the enemy team was here to get him, not caring if the current objective was on the same side of the map... Just permanently pushing.
So while he had a lot of gold, that gold wouldn't be put to any use, and he'd end up giving it right back in the mid game.
Yeah me being unlucky is literally everything about me so thanks for the answer
You can be in iron but actually have a high silver skill level which means it can be difficult for you to 1v9 and climb. And if you are in this position, you have to use your pings and type in chat to direct your team to make the right decision. If you get a pick, ping to start an objective, ping to retreat if your team chases in that instance. You have to tell them what to do because most likely you are the carry and you are with players who are truly iron skill level. If your decision is the right one and you let your team make the wrong decision, you could’ve changed that.
It's a way of living. Its the same as in real life. when something bad happens to you do you find the person who's to blame for it or do you see what you can do about it.
there are two circumstances in which the guy asking the question would be right: you don't play enough games and the system being too slow to put you in the right bracket of players (i.e, growing too fast, getting very unlucky in important games early on), usually after like 20-30 games though they're probably 98% of the way in terms of confidence as to where you should be.
dota 2 had this problem: so in 10 players a game, you could see each player as having 10% of the win rate in terms of their play, so you need to pull the weight worth of 10% win rate.
if you can make your slice of the pie 20%, you've got an effective 60% win rate as a team right?
in dota 2, game average length is like 30mins or so (or was back then), so even at 55% win rate (which is very good), you need to play 20 games to win one games worth of elo/MMR. so that's 10 hours to go up 25 points or so (back then).
so if you wanted to go from 4k MMR to 5k MMR, you had to play 40 hours per 100mmr, 400 hours to go up 1k MMR.
there were players with like 6.5k elo. like if you have 60% win rate on average, you are SIGNIFICANTLY playing against weaker opponents to the point that the system has you in the wrong bracket.
i had 65% win rate on meepo for a while (brag, sorry, i loved those guys), at like 4.5k MMR, the math alone made me quit the game. like the game i figured out how long it would take to get to the MMR i felt i was at (and win rate suggested i was right) just meant stomping opponents for far too long.
people just ended up making brand new smurfs when you've been playing for a while, which saves you significant amounts of time. it's just dumb it was like that for so long, becasue to solve the low recalibration rate, you have to do something that makes the system worse on average for other players (as your new acc has less confidence in your skill level) until you readjust.
then some dumbass at valve added 2x mmr gamble. but you had to pay irl cash for it.
I was boosting in league for about five years. There’s literally nothing that would stop me from pushing through the ranks. If you’re stuck it’s because you’re not playing as good as you think you are.
most people are really good mechanically, if you are bronze the mechanical level is around the same until plat-emerald, it starts skyrocketting there, the thing that dofferentiate is your macro and time spent on the game, in low elo is really hard to climb if you dont play a lot of games, even more if the other thing i mentioned its not your strongest, you probably dont have enough macro to know what to do to carry, even if you are fed because you are good mechanically, you are not carrying by default, but most low elo think that they are carrying because most games they have a good kda and then do nothing with it to impact the game, farming 100 gold kills from the other laner and impacting nothing in the other lanes
"I feel like it's such a condescending statement" man, since when did ego's get so frail that saying something like that makes 'em feel condescended on.
It's also about the number of games, in one of splits of s14 I used to be kinda stuck in gold/silver (RU, right after getting P1 99LP on EUW, where people generally mechanically better, and occasionally playing well vs soloq Diamonds/Masters in Flex) and most of games I was playing good enough to not be there. but the whole team was feeding, botlane diff was the biggest, and I fairly don't have enough time to just push stats through, so I picked akali/viego adc and climbed through this hell (one of viego games I won team score was about 14/46 🤡), where I went back to my lovely toplane, last split got emerald with ~75% wr and pretty balanced games
I see a bunch of ways to fix "losers queue":
- Just play a shit ton of games and statistically get placed where you belong
- Try taking more risk to snowball games, bring chaos to the game with unusual picks/plays, tho they must make sense, I'm not advertising for troll picks (however it's already too long of a comment to describe why akali/viego adc were good picks for me)
- Try switching solo/duo climbing and figure out what works best for you (I think solo generally works better for me, but I enjoy playing with friends, so I go for 50/50 here)
- Never FF (one of the highest benefits of playing duo)
And if it's a skill issue, not an actual "losers queue" I'd recommend to vod review each game and watch AloisNL videos. Btw I think it's a good advice anyway
Challenger players think on how to improve their imperfectness.
Low Elo players think they're already perfect.
The moment you think that you're good, you stop learning and improving. It's weird to say but self-doubt means self-improvement. Honesty with yourself is important in anything that you want to improve at. Displacing all the blame onto others is just full denial of the consequences of your actions.
Simple as that. I literally play troll builds on support and somehow manage to win games due to good mental, having a distance to the game and simply following good fundamentals.
Climbing out of paltinum was way easier than climbing out of gold and silver. People are more competent and know what to do more often than in silver and bronze, which makes those games way more difficult to climb.
I think the main issue with low elo players playing "well", is that they manage to get a good laning phases but dont know how to transform their advantages into a win. The results its that often, this players cant win if their teammates are behind, even if its slightly
Well the "stuck playing well" thing is a thing from emerald onwards, but you'd have huge bad luck.
But for a bronze/silver to be stuck then that means you're doing something wrong.
I do my best to own up to when I make a mistake, but I still frequently have games where I feel like I genuinely couldn't have played better. I'm not gonna pretend I'm perfect but I genuinely can't tell what I did wrong in most games. II can't afford/am not fully comfortable with a coach, and the guides I find are things I'm already applying to my best efforts.
We had this guy on a server who had played the longest out of all of us yet he was hard stuck in low elo. He was convinced his teams were the problem even tho it was insanly clear he was the issue. He played like a dog. No pre emptive action, only reactive. No understanding of builds. No understand of match ups. Tilts like a piece of paper trying to stand up
I treat myself as my teammate since it’s easy to point out what teammates do wrong and flame them instead I flame myself for not playing better
A problem a lot of people lower elo have is they only see KDA. Doesnt matter if you are 3/0/1 if you have no vision score and havent helped your team, you will lose much more often. Something i have always struggled with is vision score and watching the map, im roughly gold skill wise, but my roaming times and vison score is at best silver 4, which holds me back
In that low of an elo vision score actually does not matter. You can be a complete degenerate at rotationing and map awareness and still climb AT LEAST to emerald by just knowing how your champion works and how to pilot it in different situations. By just learning about trade patterns you'll turbo stomp anyone below emerald in any lane.
@thanatos108w I hard disagree. The number of times I have lost lane because I forgot to ward is astronomical. And I'm a top lane main saying this. Jungler ganks, mid lane roams, support ganks, all things that can be avoided by warding and watching your map just a tiny bit. As a jungler it's super important to watch the map even in low elo. It's best to assume below ~plat your teammates are Lee sin irl, so knowing where your opposing jungler is can save games. Yes you can still win games without warding, but id rather climb to gold in like 50 gakes instead of taking hundreds of games because I lose free lp because I'm trying to roll play Lee sin irl
@@scoccerball4170 It's not about agreeing or disagreeing my guy, what i said is a fact. You lost lane an astronomical amount of times by forgetting to ward and shit 'cause you're mechanically gold. Learning and studying the game's macro, all the decisions you can make, and when you can make them, is waaaay too much work if what you want is gaining elo. If you want to really learn the game and climbing is not your priority, go on! Study the game, watch pro vods, try to understand why some things work and why some others doesn't. But if you want to gain elo, dumb down a little bit and try getting barely mechanically decent at like 2 champions while making common sense macro choices(doing next objetive in line, don't fucking up your teams lane assignment, knowing what is a minion wave is and so on) and see the whole magic happening lol.
@thanatos108w I am mechanically decent with a few champs, my issue is I lose track of the map and forget to ward jungle, which can turn a winning lane. I'm not saying low elo players need to watch the whole map (besides maybe junglers), I'm saying they need to have awareness of the sides of their lane where they can be ganked, which can ruin a winning match up easily. My goal isn't necessarily to become masters or anything, but you still need to even low elo do basic level warding to up your win odds for legit free. And when I say I was bad at warding and vision I MEAN IT. I would end 30 minute games with 3-5 vision score. Now I'm better, but I lost a lot of laning phases because I never warded lane entrences
@@scoccerball4170 If you're still in gold, i fear you're not mechanically decent with any champ, but like, warding your lane entrances really does help for free and i did not know you were talking about this basic of a concept, that's something that should be linked to your survival instincts bro, it's like closing your house's door before going to sleep lol
It's been a few years since I didn't touch this game, but back then, as soon as I stopped focusing on getting better in micro/playing my champs better, and started focusing on macro and how and when to apply pressure on the map, I went from silver 5 (back then) to plat 2-1.
And I was still as bad as any other silver in terms of champion mechanics tbh, so yeah, even if you don't have the hands, as long as you have the eyes on the map and the head to know how to use it, you'll climb eventually.
Problem arises when your a emerald 4 player in low plat/high gold… challenger players never account for the fact the skill difference is huge between just these ranks but not big enough for someone to solo 1v9 making the game feel insanely frustrating when your trying your best to win and actually playing well relative to the other players in the match
There is a reason why good Players can have a 40+ winning Streak From Iron to Master Climb
Ive played this game for 15 years now and have stayed around Grandmaster for the past 3 years, I can definitely confirm that no matter what, even if you might actually be playing well, its almost always better to assume that you're not. Even the best of the best in challenger make mistakes, and learn from them every single game
If you're around gold - plat elo, my biggest advice is to soak up as much game knowledge in regards to macro as humanly possible, there are so many players who frantically try to learn every combo, on every "high skill" champion in the game, only to get stomped by someone who backed on the right wave, or pushed correctly.
You cant win all games, there will be losses, there will even be loss streaks, just keep your head high, focus on YOUR play, and change how you have impact, don't fret about how others could change.
Another thing is, unless you are hard smurfing every single game, having 80%+ WR, it takes time. Let's say you play well with solid 60% winrate. It will still take around 80 games to climb one division. With 55% winrate, which is still solid, it's 160 games. That is for a single division. If you want to get from silver to diamond, even with som skills, be prepared for a grind.
Short term you are extremely dependent on your teammates for your rank, long term all these secondary factors become effectively meaningless and your rank is dependent on your own ability. The same fundamental reality that applies to all statistics applies here as well
My advice that helped me to climb is to focus more on macro and decision making. I see a lot of people that say they "play well" because they can play well micro on some champ they play. In reality playing well league is not so much abought playing champ well but playing game well which is in most cases the issue people stuck in plat/lower cant see. Hope it helps
The guy said playing well, there's not enough information to even begin understanding where this guy is at.
The response the chatter received was more of an answer to somebody else, rather than the chatter.
I think a big problem for low elo players is thinking that playin „well“ is the same as having a good kda and that is not true. Even one bigger mistake from a player with a good kda can lose you the entire game
Just remember just because you "think" you are good and shouldn't be in said low rank is just a bad mentality. It is like saying im a Grandmaster player but I am stuck with these Silver and Gold players and don't deserve to be in these ranks because i am so much better than they all are but yet im still here. Don't just take your skill and say you should be in that rank but rather just do what you can and try to win and improve and not all games are 100% winrate either so you will have some days where you can get a 7 win streak and then lose 3 and win the next 5 and so on so dont take losing as a sign of doing bad but take it more as a lesson of what you can do and learn from your mistakes. Some games are not by your fault at times but it cannot be helped you will sometimes just get bad games with players who are misplaying badly or not communicating.
Azzapp is correct in how he sees the game and win rates through probability. Unfortunately losing games you play well in feels terrible. And winning games u play like crap in doesnt feel good. So the only fix is to win every game u play well in which is unlikely in 5v5.
People have to understand that no matter how good you play, if one of your teammate tilts because they got first blooded in lane 5mins in, ur game is most likely toast. I say most likely, because I saw some people actually winning 4v5s and winning the game because their 4 champ comp is just impactful enough.
You are not the exception is basically what I’m taking from this
Another thing in solo queue since everyone is imperfect you should go along the okay plans of your teamates instead of the perfect plan you think of. We dont have voice comms we cant perfectly explain why our pov is a better choice. If 4 people on the team want baron but you know prob only 1 or 2 will survive the fight out of it you might as well commit. Being too safe for your own kda will cause you to lose games
Challenger in silver might be unlikely, but I'd say an actual Gold stuck in Bronze can happen a lot.
People on low elo usually play with high skill ceiling champs and complain about their team thinking they are playing their champs to the fullest (they are not)
"I'm good but I'm stuck in silver" Sounds like skill issue 😂
My main problem is that I know I fucked up. I know I made a mistake. I just don’t know WHAT the mistake was. So I have no way of correcting it for next time.
I understand a lot of things about the game on a theoretical level. I understand the fanta-mentos, what I should and shouldn’t do in a lot of cases (not all, not even most, but in a lot of cases). However applying that knowledge, that understanding, in practice is very difficult for me.
This is why I am stuck in Platinum - Emerald. I am mechanically good enough to brute force my way to these ranks. But I struggle applying my knowledge of macro, so I cannot go past it.
It’s like when I am in the moment, I’m laning, or doing whatever in game, my brain locks part of itself off temporarily , so I can’t use what I know… and as soon as the game is over and I’m not actively playing, I can sit there and point out a ton of mistakes and things I should’ve done but didn’t do.
TLDR:
My mechanical skill allows me to reach Plat-Emerald but my applied macro knowledge is fucking wood 5 I swear.
Practice mindfulness, study your vods, and ask yourself ALOUD what objectives you should take and what’s your win condition. That should dictate where you should be in the map, when to push, what trades to take etc. the rest is match up and composition knowledge which you should have, as for understanding well maybe watching pro play breakdowns and challenger vod reviews might help. Macro is hard but it’s also easy. Rarely is there a game state where the right thing to do macro wise is completely unclear.
Practice one thing at a time, take one macro decision, for example when to rotate for objectives or when to roam etc., and focus on that one aspect in the next few games until it becomes automated and then move on to the next strategy. Im currently silver cause I got a lot of work to do on my gameplay and little time cause of uni but this strategy for me helped me improve very quickly, Im way more confident in lane Im way more confident in roaming as midlaner etc. and I understand wave-management better just by focusing on one thing at a time. You can do it!
Watch replays if you can't see mistakes, I'll watch it with you xd
Love those people who Always complain xD I got from B4 to G4 in 3 or 4 days, (supp main with millio Most played), you just need to play consistent and dont tilt over a bad Game. And beeing positive in Chat helps too actually
I was hardstuck silver 4 but i skyrocketed to plat 3 because i took a break for a few days. in low elo sometimes games are so tilting that you just have to take a break otherwise youre just gonna be hardstuck forever, what i learned from low elo is that your "skill and understanding of the game" is not enough, you have to be tiltproof and youll climb trust me just take a break for a few days and youll always come back better. thats why the only players who climb out of low elo is the players that are NOT addicted to league
Cheat code, play a role that is typically useless in low elo (support) then play hard engage and roam 24/7 so essentially the early game is a 4 v 3 the 4 being you, mid, jng, top. Meanwhile their sona support is just afking in bot lane. Be at grubs when they spawn every single game and spam ping ur jungler to come to objectives. I’m currently 21-6 with mostly poppy support with a 81% win rate and a 100% win rate with my auto fill ekko mid.
I only have 4 games as ekko mis tho
It's like a student 1 or 2 years into studying engineering going "I'm good and passed all my classes so far so why do actual engineers critique me when I say I'm an engineer. Buddy, you don't have your degree yet.
To get good, you must first accept that you are bad.
40% of games you will win 40% you will lose and that 20% depends on you
my problem with ranked was rather simple, i really enjoy toplane but my best role is actually support, theres only so far i can help my adc as a support if they're inting or making bad plays, sometimes i'll offer advice and most cases i get "stfu" as a response, top lane i felt more impactful but i lack a lot of the expertise of managing the waves etc im just a splitpush chad which means i can take a lot of pressure off my team by splitting the enemies up, so i could to an extent "carry" my team as a top laner but as support it would be rough, if my adc would make a mistake, i'd have to waste ulti/flash etc to save them/fix it, and when i didn't have these abilities up for the next fight it'd cause us to lose, but if i hold those abilities for a team fight i'd usually result in rather toxic complaining and spam "?" pings, im far from a high elo player but being stuck in an silver is a real issue for people who aren't master/challenger level, there is a plethora of toxicity and trolling in the bronze/silver elo, not to say it doesn't exist as you climb higher but I wouldn't really know as i've never made it out of the cesspit of low elo, after winning games and losing promo matches because someone decides they're angry they didn't get to play mid and that means standing around watching team mates die, flashing into enemy turrets and giving them kills at lvl 1 etc is acceptable behaviour.
Look at K/D and how it changes when you're good. You might go 15-0 in mid while everyone else loses lane and you trash on an 0-15 Malz. But those kills past 3 gained you almost nothing and you didn't transition the lead to help the rest of your team. Versus the 0-7-0 Sion who helped secure 3 Towers, an Inhib, both sets of Grubs and is constantly drawing pressure to give an advantage on the map. Playing well doesn't just mean winning lane
Generally I agree with you. However, you forget one thing here:
Game count matters.
The idea that if you play well, you will climb is generally true if you look at 1000 games or so.
But if you work a 9-5 job and have hobbies outside of league (like sport or sth) and you play 3-5 games a week, that’s 200 games per season.
With that low amount of games, it’s not that unlikely that you lose more games even if your win chance would be over 50%
If we say you’re good enough to win 60% of the games in that elo (which is likely the difference between mid gold and mid plat id say) you Stimm have about 35% chance that you will only win 50%. (Math is estimates based on binomial tables. If someone has concrete numbers, I’d be happy to stand corrected)
That would mean instead of winning 120/200 you win 100/200, or instead of gaining 1000LP that season you will be on +-0. that’s the difference between emerald 1 and Gold 2.
If you have more games, the chance of having a big percentage difference becomes smaller, so being stuck at 2000 games is very unlikely but in mid-low elo it’s very possible if you don’t play that much.
I think my issue as not-so-good player, is that I have to play disproportionately well to climb quickly (or back to my standard rank) OR play a metric ton of games I simply don’t have time for (20 games week) just to return to my prior rank.
I can consistently play better than most people in my lobbies. But I can’t play well enough to carry myself out with ease, I still need my team mates to do something.
A lot of silver players have pretty good mechanics on the champions they know, this often leads to them thinking they are good at the game.
They just have no idea of the macro and subpar knowledge on other champions, leading to things like them being 10/4 but incapable of carrying
I've gotten pretty unlucky for a decent amount of games now, but soon enough my luck will turn and if I keep losing then with good teammates then I deserve to be stuck P4. it's a matter of time.
I’m pretty sure what he was saying is that even though he plays well there are games that he loses. The problem that the guy seems to be having is that he doesn’t realise what matters is consistency. Yes there will be games that you lose, even when playing perfectly. Lol is a team game, so there will always be games that will end up being unwinnable due to that simple fact, even if you end up playing perfectly. What you need to focus on is consistency, because you will never win 100% of your games even if you are the best player in the world.
for me, I'm not frustrated with that, I'm frustrated with how fast i climb. i am low elo as well, but over the last week i have been climbing constantly. the climb feels very slow, tedious and annoying though, because every single game i absolutely stomp my lane, and the win comes down to how the rest of the game goes. i must admit, that i die a lot and might throw a game or 2, because of getting bored of playing safe and limit testing which i obviously shouldn't. but like i said it just gets boring to play safe when fed over and over. i also think that not only i am not getting bored of being fed almost every game, i think my enemy laners won't have fun playing if they lose so hard every time.
The hardest part of getting good is resizing you are bad.
I actually started to play ranked a little bit this season. I am bronze 2 at the moment and sure there are games where I think I did really really well. In reality it’s confirmation bias I make a dumb play and sure I get a kill or 2 but I really shouldn’t have done that. That’s what low elo really is for the hard stucks. They put the blame on others and think they play well when really we just suck and need to accept that to climb.
In other words, don't main support because no matter how well you play, if one of your other teammates are too far behind or tilted, your contribution to kills, objectives, escapes and vision etc, wont matter because you can't impact the flow of the game alone, unlike them
Its like chess. Securing as many opponent pieces does help win. But it doesn’t mean much if you can’t set-up checkmates.