Impregnated Against Their Will | Law & Order SVU
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- After a man with Parkinson's conspires to inseminate a woman in a coma, in a shocking turn of events, he appears to not only want the stem cells, but something far more valuable....
Season 4, Episode 8 'Waste': When a trip to the emergency room for a coma patient reveals the woman to be seven weeks pregnant, Detectives Benson (Mariska Hargitay) and Stabler (Christopher Meloni) turn to DNA testing in order to weed out their rapist -- only to have their investigation hampered when the victim's doctor (guest star Bruce Davison) attempts an abortion. JoBeth Williams guest stars as the frantic mother of the rape victim.
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Crazy how he tries to justify impregnating two comatose women with “can’t bare to ask any woman to knowingly carry the burden of being impregnated and needing to abort it.” Impregnating someone without their consent is way worst, and there’s a chance that those in a comatose state can still HEAR AND FEEL their surroundings. At least the women you ask and pay for temporary surrogacy actually consented to it and don’t have their basic human right violated.
You think there were only 2?
Not to mention some cases of coma turned out to be misdiagnosed for lock-in syndrome. Those women would be aware that they were raped/inseminated and were pregnant, but unable to defend themselves in any way.
This scenario - while fictitious - completely violates every principal of biological research on human subjects, starting with the lack of an IRB, an Independent Review Board. An IRB exists to prevent this very thing from happening. The IRB establishes protocols to ensure proper disclosure is given and consent obtained, and to ensure that ethical guidelines are followed and the rights of the subject are protected. The IRB also watches out for conflicts of interest - like the sole source of funding is also the primary (maybe the only) beneficiary of the research. So it’s no surprise that Mr. Rich Guy has this whole enterprise kept super hush hush, with no IRB. The guy who came up with the Tuskegee syphilis project followed the same slimy process - secrecy, no IRB oversight, twisted up ethics based on Utilitarianism and Nietzsche. I’m pretty sure Mengele justified his research in the same grounds. He, also, had no IRB overseeing his research.
I don't know where you're getting this without their consent they're not the ones that gave it their parents gave the consent when they signed the papers which allowed for that to happen which is why the court didn't convict him for that because he broke no law in that regard. It may be morally abhorrent to some to understand that the greater good comes at a cost like most of our medical knowledge being the result of Hitler's regime using their prisoners of war and their own people as science experiments and torturing them. No consent was given for that and yet we still use that knowledge to this day that we gained from the death and suffering of thousands upon thousands of Innocents. One Life to save millions if not billions that kind of cost is a no freaking brainer even if it costs the lives of a thousand.
@@grimmspectrum1547Hitler's regime? Like Dr Mengele who tortured prisoners (not patients)? Somehow you think this is a good example?
Consent is a matter of actively saying yes. NOT passively not being able to say no. This is all abominable
Legal Consent has come a very long way from when this originally aired. I agree, it's despicable but back then and even still today, rich and entitled people are often the worst humanoid-like (cuz they really aren't human and I think if aliens are actually out there they don't want to be associated with them either) to strut this earth.
Not every yes means yes, but every no means no.
Yes. Everything except an enthusiastic yes is a no.
Unless you have a freaking piece of paper which gives consent like the man had at that point words are meaningless when a blanket parental consent was signed. It may be morally abhorrent but it was legally done.
@@grimmspectrum1547 that was for the abortion, not the initial impregnation, that was done without consent.
"What will, she barely had a pulse"
Why dont people on this show ever invoke the 5th
Wny would copaganda want to inform about our rights?
@@Matisaro Why do you need to be informed about your rights? Don't you know them?
It's a show
TV show
@@yanina.korolko no the average person doesn't.
Okay so why not pay for a surrogate and have the mother carry the child full term and give him the umbilical cord if that has all he needs?!
Because there would be no stem cells in the umbilical cord once the baby reaches full term. What he needs is for the cells to grow to a point and then abort the fetus before the fetal stem cells are fully absorbed and no woman wants to carry a baby only for it to be ejected and killed they would never agree to that which is why he got consent forms from the parental guardians signed and it allowed him to perform this procedure under the law within legal rights which is why the court didn't find him guilty of any wrongdoing because he essentially had full consent to do what he did. It may be morally messed up but from a legal standpoint he was green across the board.
@@grimmspectrum1547 Okay, thank you for clarifying
He said “he couldn’t possibly ask any woman to do this” meaning he’s a coward that would rather use girls whom are unconscious.
Idk about the actual medical stuff behind it, but at the end of the episode he filled for custody so he could use the umbilical cord.
@@grimmspectrum1547Then why is he filing for custody to use the umbilical cord?
@@CassidyStarke not sure if calling them a coward is the right term. this episode is probably two decades old. going with a surrogate and aborting a healthy fetus just to extract it's stem cells seems to be similarly dark and morally questionable. at least, they seemed to have found a moral ground with inseminating a comatose woman who can never truly wake up again in hopes of creating a cure for parkinson's disease.
Parkinsons is literally the reason I went into pharmacology. My Grandad was diagnosed before I was born I understand watching someone deteriorate. Still I WOULD NOT condone the insemination of unconsenting individuals for Parkinsons research or for anything else. They'e in a coma, they cant consent. Using their bodies in that way is so dehumanising. Absolutely disgusting I hope they get him
My late father-in-law had Parkinson's and this conduct would have horrified him.
This is why doctors are needed to have a moral code.
They do, it's called the Hippocratic Oath.
Unfortunately, there have been real life cases when the doctor/nurse violated the Hypocratic Oath and committed heinous acts against the patients and their families and friends. All just so they can keep evidence against themselves away from the authorities and go to jail.
need to have and are needed to have doesn’t mean the same thing.
These guys put it well. The oath exists, but not every doctor follows it as well as they should. Or have some interpretation of it that undermines and corrupts the oath.
I do not TRUST DOCTORS ANYMORE!!! THEY WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT GANGSTERS
everytime I hear someone say "It's for the greater good" I instantly dislike the person and have a bad feeling.
The greater good
Stop that!
“The road to hell is paved with the good intentions”
@@TheThursty100 The greater good
@@shellbrook3383"SHUT IT!"
so you want people to die from diseases, for the mentally underdeveloped to gain the full use of their brain, for those missing limbs to gain new ones? all medical advancement is born from tragedy but i bet you dont care about that whenever someone sees a doctor or needs a surgery.
This episode was so infuriating because it was one of the realest ones.
Women (especially women who are not white) have been used and abused by the medical field for hundreds of years. Black and indigenous women are much more likely to die during childbirth due to medical negligence. The man lauded as the father of modern gynecology tortured enslaved black women for his research. Slaves were purposely infected with disease and poisoned to see the effects on the fetus. Bipoc women have been raped and experiemented on for more than 200 years. Thousands of dead babies litter the land. And we all remember Tuskeegee.
And currently, sexual assault in women's nursing homes, inpatient facilities, and hospitals is globally underrepresented. Many women in these places and prison are experimented on to this day. As recently as 2005, there was a Korean scientist who faked the ability to clone humans. He pressured his female staff to undergo dangerous egg retrievals, lying to them about the seriousness of the procedure.
And now it has been revealed that pelvic exams are performed WITHOUT CONSENT during surgeries!!! And med students think they have 'the right because it is their education '!!! Sick all around. Time for the medical industry to be put out of business for good. It's just legalised d*ug pushing and butchery. People need HEALTH CARE.
And then they use the "Greater good" excuse in this one. Greater good for who exactly? Not the Mother. Not the baby.
They do NOT die due to medical negligence. They die due to lack of available care, and money.
@@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676 they DO die from medical negligence. You can go fact check that, or you could just listen to women about their lived experiences.
@@rissagrrarg YOU have to prove it is higher than anywhere else. The simple FACT is that they don't get the care they need. MOSTLY that is because the care is not available at all. I mean really. You complain about the smaller issue, and leave out the monster one. How ridiculous.
So sad women aren't treated with dignity even when so vulnerable in a coma. They wouldn't even dream to do the same thing to a man violating his rights, but they'll violate a woman's rights.
try again. it happens even to dead men. stimulating the prostate to collect the "sample" for artificial insemination.
@@NesendaThere’s a reason women are preferred as morticians. We’re not even safe after life. Yes it happens to men but not nearly as often and even in those cases the perpetrators are almost always men.
You’re not helping others if your methods have the potential to cause trauma for others. The woman still has innate value. Abusing her ability to bring life, is beyond cruel.
The doctor's whole case wouldn't hold water at the ethics board, regardless of legalities. You CANNOT progress science when the test subjects cannot benefit and FULL consent is always required. Even if the doc didn't see jail time, he'd never work in medicine in the USA again.
Unfortunately not the same for the test animals where there is no benefit for them, all in the name of treating/curing human diseases or conditions 😢
This episode is so relevant in today’s current world
But oh boy SVU knows how to make a great episode
90% of law and order episodes are based off real life cases
The title makes me sad because doing something against someone will is just sad
No doubt
This is indeed one of the most haunting Law & Order: SVU episodes. 💔
yes it is :(
Though you are correct, the comatose female had no will - there is a huge difference!
Womp womp, they should fought back
Thank you kindly for informing me about the Nightingale Oath. My mother is a nurse and I didn’t know there was a different oath. So thank you again for giving me the heads up on the cool information. Have a beautiful day!
The brothers Grimm wrote a story called "sleeping beauty"… no, not the Disney version😂
Ya,poor Briar Rose woke up from that sleep and found herself pregnant;I believe with twin boys.
@@natashajagadhish1887 I used a certain word which starts with a P for the male eggplant... and the word of four letters that starts with an R... and my reply to you was promptly erased!!!
Briar Rose … The name was used in several gruesome fairytales. Very male chauvinistic indeed.
In the Grimm version "Dornröschen" the rose bushes kept everyone out for 100 years, people died in the rose bushes trying to get to the castle but no one got to her until the 100 years were up, the prince walked right up to the castle, the roses parted for him with flowers instead of thorns, he kissed her and she and the entire castle woke up and resumed as if nothing had happened, she marries the prince.
In an earlier french version of the tale she knew and loved the father of her child, he was sent away to prove himself when she fell into her slumber from a magic piece of flax, he came back, found her sleeping, raped her, left a ring, she gave birth, the child sucked out the flax from her finger causing her to wake up, she recognised the ring, found him and married him.
The 2 stories don't have a lot in common, the fact that she falls into a magical sleep and the fact that this is caused by her spinning although the brothers Grimm and whoever brought them the story seemed to have had a really poor understanding of spinning and spindles, the old french version has her get a splinter from the fibre, while the Grimm version has her poking herself on a blunt object.
@@l.c.8475 oh dear, that is a much later version of the true grim fairytale
@@yanina.korolko the 17th century italian version where she gets woken up by the twins she gave birth to after being impregnated by a stanger comes between the story from the 14th century where she knew the father and the 19th century brothers Grimm version where the rose bushes protected her.
The 17th century version is the oldest version the Grimm brothers could find at the time and they were insired by the auther to create their own fairytale collection, but the story goes back further and it wasn't always as dark as the 17th century version.
These men were sick.
In the saying in Pet Cemetery, " sometimes death is better." Sometimes with science it's better to not take it too far like this
Is it wrong that I think that the doctor is a depraved monster!?
No
What do you mean “is it wrong” ? You ok?
No
Realistically, would a judge really grant him custody over the grandparents?
Realistically. Money talks, bullshit walks. He can afford the best team of lawyers money can buy. So yes he stands a damned good chance.
@@maiqtheliar789 Just look at OJ Simpsons. Police and a small number of news people in LA knew he was a Wife Beater. When Nicole and Ron where murder OJ was the Sole suspect despite it being announced that he wasn't one. He assembled his dream team, coupled with both Racial Tension, the Rodney King Vertic, and a completely bungled investigation, Kokorin made up a terrific line of bullshit and a Black Man got a White Man's Justice.
If they’re Republican
I mean have you seen the actual situation in some states? R*pist are literally being allowed to apply for custody and visitation rights. Even when the victim is underage.
That's a complicated question. On one hand, he is technically the biological father and has the resources to care for a child. On the other hand, he also has a debilitating disease and is unable to care for himself, shows no actual regard for the child, and impregnated the mother against her will.
The grandparents are stable, loving figures that have the kid's best interests at heart in addition to the resources to provide for the child, plus the kid will have two parental figures instead of one.
The judge will have to weigh the factors against each other. I doubt he'd win full custody, but he probably would be granted parental rights.
"This is different"
Not it isn't, the parents just wish it was.
Whilst I fully disagree with the doctors actions, I do understand the thinking behind it. For medical advancements, there always has to be a guinea pig to be tested on. This is where consent is important. I would 100% donate my body to science if it meant that it could help someone else in the future.
In many states women can be used as guinea pigs without consent. It's legal in many states to perform vaginal exams for the " purpose of teaching students" without consent and it's also not required to have to inform the patient of the exam that took place while they were unconscious
I hate how the cops can't do anything to stop the wealth classes for doing what ever they want.
A court would actually allow a person like Davis Langley to be given custody of the child when hes just gonna toss the baby aside once he gets what he wants ?
Actually that will definitely happened knowing the world we live in.
This is one of the reasons why I have a living will
yooo my mom can binge watch the sht out of SVU but I cant! it's crazy wild sht like THIS episode that makes me lose sleep 😭😭😭
Exactly. I like to watch these 10 min episodes so i can just be prepared for the full episode.
@@MsJonessss yeh that's a great idea! watch these clips to get ready for the really crazy scenes! I like that😁
He has all the money in the world he can pay to house the stem cells instead of taking custody from the family.
They should have asked for a copy of the signed consent form. That is completely allowed.
I’m currently watching my father suffer as he dies from Parkinson’s. This is disgusting. You would have no problem finding agreeable women these days if you advertised. There is a significant part of the population that doesn’t value life in the womb so they would jump at the opportunity to make some cash off of their poor choices.
You sounded so reasonable right up until you blamed women’s “poor choices” for unwanted or unsustainable pregnancies.
@@feuilletonistewoman who are poor are not being forced to bring children into this world, Unless they have been assaulted. But the majority of the population who have children poor, in impoverished situations, no two parents, only one…they’re doing that by choice because of incentives. Mainly from the government. This is what she’s mentioning. So, why not that population participate in giving it up for research for some cash?
They have multiple grounds to take him back to court.
Nobody, regardless of wealth or paternity, has ownership over another person, let alone has the authority to sexually violate them for any reason.
Yeah the blanket consent given for medical testing is believed by the person signing to be medical testing for their condition, not any condition. Like you couldnt trial drugs on them for a condition or disease they dont have, it wouldnt show anything in the results. Due to the contract not being written in a way that explicitely states any and *all* forms of medical trials, for any and all medical illness/disease, up to and including insemination, then you could claim they broke the contract by doing what was not logically assumed by the signer as the stated 'medical trials'.
Both doctors & the elderly father should've been arrested for raping 2 comatose women & the elder sperm donor shouldn't be held custody of the child if he has parkinson's disease if you looked at Michael j fox condition you'd see what I mean about a chronic disease that he can't look after himself let alone a child who needs 24/7 hour watch & feeding
I love this episode cuz of the moral Battles Sacrifice one to save a million even if it’s against her will? Or save one person and leave the others to suffer
So sad but they’re no surprise to what research n being rich can do
A person has a car crash year before, be coma for 12 months before transfer to hospital🏥 to other hospital twist number three
Wait, the Doctors defense is his Dad died of Parkinsons? No one dies of Parkinsons disease. It may cause death secondhand, but in and of itself, it isn't deadly.
Only because it destroys the body and brain, making it vulnerable to other illnesses or injuries that are lethal.
Just like HIV/AIDS doesn’t kill directly, but if the person doesn’t have it, then getting a cold wouldn’t kill them either.
I’m not saying the Dr is in the right, of course not. But to say Parkinson’s doesn’t kill is a bit shortsighted.
So what happened? Thank you for posting half of a video.
Someone please what episode and season is this
Human greed and selfishness to think their life is more important others disgusts me.
I kind of also feel sorry for those unborn babies here. Used as lab rats so this old man could survive.
Not to mention this is a complete perversion of the science. They can get stem cells from him. They don't need to create an entire life to get stem cells. This is just stupid. This is the worst pseudoscience. Mind you, what could you expect from a show Who thinks the hymen shows people are a virgin?
Funny how the detectives are like "you didn't get the parents' consent" doctor hands them a paper and suddenly THAT is when they say consent can't be possible because the mom is distraught.
Her "questioning" of Langley is improper. It's nothing but moral arguments. Defense counsel should have objected.
Can't they just give him the umbilical cord and end things for everyone?
Spoilers please!
Law n Order SVU always knew how to punch you in the face and the gut at the end of an episode
gosh guess they should've gone through with that termination!
Since there are SO many abortions that happen every day, it makes sense to ask the women that abort to just donate the stem cells. Wouldn't that make more sense than doing this? You've got a good shot of someone being willing to consent without harming these vulnerable women.
Very well written episode
That thing?? 👀 👀 Ugh!!
If im ever in a CVS
Please do not let me " live" like that
I remember a debate.
It stated that since so much medical knowledge was gained from inhumane experiments by the Nazi's on concentration camp prisoniers. Was it moral to benefit from this knowledge or did it make us culperble in the original crime.
In matters of medical advancements. It is al too often that things like ethics and morality go out the window when we want something.
‘The needs of many outweigh the needs of the few.’
Spock killed himself to make that sacrifice. The female doctor was not willing to use her own uterus for the all important experiment. The rich guy and the male doctor would not as their kids friends or loved ones to do it but they were all willing to sneakily assault Cima victims. No. It is just wrong. You can kill yourself for the greater good but if you kill someone else that is murder.
Was there a conclusion to this? Did the man get custody?
For me that final was a little terrofic
😂doesn’t 8:11 Elliot know how much horse spunk is worth BIG$$$$$& 😮😊
How I love being a woman😊
Wait... Carmine Falcone?
7:01 but sod the babies murdered tho... typical stereotyping
Can anyone tell me if the pregnancy went to term and who received custody?
Honestly the grandparents probably would get custody, since the doctor was complicit in the assault of the two women, and has no real interest in being a father.
Biology wins against grapists under the lies of the law… especially with lots of money
I have never seen this show but the characters here annoy me SO MUCH. Everyone has to repeat themselves like 10 times before anyone actually listens. Everyone sounds like they are *this* close to punching someone in the face. Everyone acts like everyone else is dumb for not knowing things beforehand. It is so infuriating
Spiloder?
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What would have happened to the babies if those men had won to keep the child?
Monsters
Arthur weasly
So just give him the umbilical cord who cares
3:33 and they ask why Roe v. Wade was overturned...
Cbd bro... weed is literally doing this for many.. 🫠
“She barely had a pulse”
Ok but that’s way worse.
like how can he say that and think that makes it better??
Like I feel like asking for volunteers probably wouldn't be that hard and would be 10,000× less 1) illegal and 2) morally bankrupt than medically assaulting disabled women who have no ability to consent.
Yeah, its like she has no say with her body.
@@SjofnBM1989 With his money the volunteers would do it. People would go to the extremes measure of being paid a big fee. My guess he wasn't planning to provide any money to the women or their families for this.
@@BlackCatFilmProductionsshe doesn't, probably never will again. Being unconscious most likely till the day you die means you cant make choices. So someone will have to make the choices for them. All you can do is hope that the law gives the power over your body to the right people.
There have been many real life cases of coma patients getting pregnant. Even giving birth, if I recall correctly. And, tragically, an unknown number of assaults that did not cause pregnancies to give it away.
So so many disgustingly
A man in Ohio was widely praised for his devoted care of his comatose wife...how he began working from home in order to care for her exclusively. People didn't even blink when he refused the help of female family members in bathing her. But maybe they should have realized how isolated the unconscious woman actually was.
Only when the man's 12 year old told others about her mom's pregnancy...and about her Dad's plea for her(yes, the kid)to pretend that the child was hers...did anyone even begin to ask questions. Never mind what that would have done to the kid's life. And never mind how dad was going to get around the exam issue (plus the kid was a virgin, an issue even if dad was claiming miraculous conception). The man simply didn't want the "shame" of what he had actually done, preferring instead to involve yet another innocent... despicable.
@@teslagirl1Oh god. New relationship fear unlocked.
A huge number. Often at the hands of male nurses. And they get very short sentences.
@@teslagirl1 Something was fishy from the get go. I can only speak of my State and my personal situation. But, it is rare that a comatose person is cared for at home to begin with.
When it became necessary to place my Mother on Hospice, it was discussed if she would come home or go to a care facility. Like a comatose person she required round the clock care. As just myself, I could not physically, or to be honest mentally, do it. Plus all the logistics of medical equipment. Especially is the person is on a breathing machine.
Before my Mom could even be considered to come home, the situation would require evaluation and visits from Hospice, which was a team of three main people and intermittent CNAs. But, they would only be there for short visits to do something specific. An hour or two every few days would be the only help I got.
Anything more would be self paid. Just like for the care facility.
So the husband turning down help is weird. His working from home and getting a full night's sleep would be nearly impossible on his own.
Regardless, my heart went out to that poor woman and her daughter. What a wretched person the husband was. I hope justice was found for her.
Thank you for sharing the story.
"Audrey is in no worse condition now than she was before."
OK, I'm not a medical expert, but I _do_ know pregnancy can have significant risks for _healthy_ women, and as a medical professional he would know this prior to the "procedure". This doctor violated his oath by committing malpractice, and needs to be referred to the board for disciplinary action.
And if memory serves, medical boards are _much_ swifter than bar associations when it comes to revoking licenses.
Oaths aren’t a thing in real life honey. Contracts? Laws? Yes, Oaths? No.
Forced abortion is absolutely leaving her worse.
@@codename495 Oaths inform and are informed by rules of professional conduct, which are codified. So, the oath matters in that it informs people outside the profession as to the general obligations of the professional on a very high level. So, they are a thing. Honey.
@@arianebolt1575No it’s not. I wouldn’t want that monster’s dna in my body.
Healthy pregnancies have NO RISKS on healthy women/or on any
The WHY's are what matters
All you need is logic
Wow he said the woman left the earth a year ago. He doesn’t know that. She could regain consciousness. In fact, she could have been aware the entire time and was wrongly diagnosed as comatose. Also, I’m sure there would have been women who would have been willing to help this man if given full disclosure. He’s talking about his body being a prison already yet these women are imprisoned in their bodies at the moment and at at risk with a pregnancy that they didn’t consent to. There’s a lot of things that could go wrong even in a healthy body pre-pregnancy. At least consenting women would be aware of potential risks.
There's the additional ethical problem of him wanting a child only as a means of improving his own health. So, even if women were willing to help him, any doctor who helped him would be at least a little unethical. With him having custody of the baby, I would hope there would be someone who raises a red flag and an ethics board would review any procedures involving a child being a donor for a legal guardian.
Are you referring to locked in syndrome where they are able to know their surroundings and feel everything but can't do anything so basically a coma but you are conscious the whole time.
@@mikebuncak1271 yes
@@PandoraBear357 yeah. Donor children phenomenon is crazy. Have you seen that movie with Cameron Diaz where the daughter sues her mother because she was born solely to heal her sister?
@@jazzybash1 The movie is My sister's keeper. I believe.
So a) pretty sure a court case showing you illegally impregnated a woman would lead to a custody case that goes to the grandparents and not you. And b) all you want us the umbilical cord why not offer to terminate your rights as a parent and support the grandparents adoption along with a tidy trust fund (since the guy is uber wealthy) settlement in exchange for the umbilical cord? Seems like a no brainer for the skeevy rich guy. I could see the parents balking because they want you prosecuted but that ship has sailed and if you want to at the very least be left alone by these monsters and have a decent future for your grandkid, that seems like the way to go.
I see you beat me to it. He gets the u-cord, they get the baby. If it were me, I would add he needs to set up a $ 10 Million trust fund for the baby, to get when he or she turns 21.
Not sure the guy would wait or could wait 9 more months for the umbilical cord. It would then take awhile to obtain those stem cells, ensure they matched and then the treatment.
@@ursaltydog He sued for custody. Was the idea to get custody and abort the baby so he can get the U-cord?
@@ursaltydog but gaining custody of the child doesn't allow him to access the baby's cord before birth? let alone force birth/force abortion?
@@boredlawyer3382 now here's another question: you get custody of the child. But do you get the cord too? That cord is half the property of the mother. And if the mother is under a POA with her parents as she is no longer competent to care for herself, then it becomes the parent's choice. An umbilical cord is what connects the child to the mother so it could be argued that it is shared property. Also do babies even have rights over property? Or is an umbilical cord even property? This gets very weird very fast. lol!
Stem cells can be obtained by methods other than aborted fetuses. My heart goes out to anyone with Parkinson's, but the foundation of this man's wishful thinking is seriously flawed, needless to say immoral and unethical.
Yes, but the abortion is quicker than waiting for the cord.
@@MNcitwow. That’s some messed up thinking. Abortion is no quicker than getting stems cells from all the babies being born that same day and no one had to murder anyone to do it.
@@hollybrooke322 I mean, he was impregnating comatose women without consent; I think the line to messed up thinking was already crossed. I was pointing out _his_ likely thought process. Along those same lines, I believe he needed stem cells that were partly genetically his.
So many babies are born everyday. There would be lots of cord stem cells to use.
This is true, but most hospitals just dispose of the cord afterwards. Apparently if a mother/ birth giver/ family want to donate it, they have to actively ask. Statistically around 97% of cords are destroyed by medical staff.
It's too bad they didnt really talk about the effects a pregnancy would have when someone is in a coma. It's not just the woman but the fetus aswell. In fact, it's very likely the fetus wouldnt make it to term. It's strange everyone just assumes the pregnancy will have no effect on her and that the baby will be born normally. Realistically that isn't the case. There are many complications and I'll effects to both parties that should be discussed. The mother was acting like it was a normal situation
They also don't consider how traumatic it would be for her if she wakes up and finds out about all that, plus her mother expecting her to love her child.
@@nessyness5447 Well I'm Preet sure she'll never awake and never if she didn't the brain damage would be so severe she probably couldn't comprehend the situation. Not saying that would be certain but in the already unlikely even she did wake up then it'd be very likely she'd be super brain damaged and unable to comprehend most things.
But, I understand your point. Nobody considers the woman or what she would want. They should be considering what their daughter would want to do in that situation but again this idea of a baby seems ridiculous because in reality that baby is not making it to term and even if it does the chances of it not suffering some serious effects are low. Not to mention her, but I think in these cases the grandparents dont care if she dies because in their mind the baby would be her to them. It'd be like another chance at raising their daughter. Because honestly they dont care about the baby either it's the idea of it being a part of their daughter living on...that the baby essentially replaces their daughter. When I say they I mean the mother and that is what she'd do because the episode makes it clear she just hasn't accepted her daughter is gone.
Recently a woman came out of years long coma it was nearly 10 ten years. Her mother kept her on life support in the slim hope she'd wake up. She did but was brain damaged she needs care for life and can not comprehend most things. The mother did it for her selfish desire to hold her daughter and look after her. The mother doesnt mind but she fails to think of the daughters life after she dies, the woman will be put into a facility with nobody who sees her because the mother was a single mother and by the time she dies nobody will be left to look after and visit her brain damaged daughter. It's really sad but people need to seriously consider the wants and wishes of the person in the coma. They need to look past their own desires and realistically see the cost vs. benefit if that loved one ever woke up. Quality of life is important to consider and I'm not saying brain damaged people cant have quality of life but is that what the person would want? I know almost everyone around me would rather be dead than be put in some facility or home if they woke up brian dead. It's not everyone's opinion but I think a vast majority of people would side with that.
As far as the custody, the obvious compromise is Langley gets the umbilical cord, the grandparents get the baby. That's all each wants anyway.
@@feleciawright9316good point
@feleciawright9316 sounds like the jist of it is he couldn't ask a consenting woman to be inseminated knowing it will be terminated. the ridiculous part is that if he needs stem cells that are a perfect genetic match, ONLY his OWN stem cells will do. getting half your DNA from one parent doesn't mean half your cells are an exact copy of your parent's cells, it means ALL of your cells are only a half-match to each parent. so that umbilical cord is useless to him, along with the fetuses themselves.
Langleys too old to raise a kid anyway I think all he wants is the cord
The doctor's a Bene Tleilax, turning women into Axlotl tanks - gotta love a good Dune villain.
On a serious note, the line "She barely had a pulse" was shock inducing... how does he not see that's worse? Oh right, that's what happens when a god complex meets "the greater good".
I’m a doctor, when I was in medical school we had a comatose patient come in pregnant from a hospice….
Wow! So this is more common.
@@MsJonessss unfortunately it is ☹️
X-ray tech here. Many years ago (before ultrasound) I did an abdominal film on a young comatose woman from a long term care facility. Imagine my shock when I was the first to know that she was pregnant. After immediately informing the ER dr, I was close enough to hear her father’s response when he was told. Let’s just say that I wouldn’t have wanted to be the man he suspected because his rage was frightening.
Omg that’s horrific
To hear him try to justify it is appalling. To be so deranged that you openly act like it's perfectly fine and acceptable. No shame. No regret. Wow. And Bruce was great in the role.
Plus this is another example of vulnerable women being used as science experiments
It's legal in a lot of states to perform vaginal exams on women unconscious. " For the sake of teaching students in medical school" permission doesn't need to be granted and nor are there any obligations to tell the patient of the exam
"Abortion goes against everything we believe in"
"This is different, this is our child"
Because of course it is. 1 rule for me another rule for thee
Yup. There's even an old blog post that touches on this if you haven't already read it,it's called The Only Moral Abortion Is My Abortion (or My Daughter's Abortion Is The Only Moral Abortion, in this case) . It's about the stories of abortion clinic workers who have had to perform abortions on the same anti-abortion people who spend all day before and after the procedure outside the clinic calling them baby murderers who are going to Hell. One dr even refused to treat a woman who usually protested at her clinic because, as she pointed out,why would she help someone who thought she was a murderer?
6:09 The man in the background was just sitting but he serves🫦
Also the camera focuses too hard on him
@@marianabobadilla1872😂😂
😅😂
Which one though, there's 2 gentlemen
“Serves”?
"I couldn't ask any woman to knowingly carry that burden." So you'll make a comatose woman unknowingly carry that burden? It scares me that there are probably people like this in the real world.
Biology doesn't always win. The big lawyers and money might, but the fact that the "father" and Dr conspired to impregnate the mother unwillingly, a good judge would find him unfit.
Well what do you know, I just finished watching this episode yesterday and now I see this upload! What a coincidence...was my first time watching too
“An abortion goes against everything we believe in…”
“Yeah, but this is OUR daughter…”
Always the same thing with these prolifers. An abortion is a sin and a crime until it’s their family who gets an unwanted pregnancy to face. A baby they can’t afford or don’t want. There’s a moral exception to be made when it’s their family.
Abortion isn't a sin, babies are trash
It's a freaking tv show! It makes good drama. You have no idea what people do in real life.
In that case, you have to make the hard choice to stick to your values. And adoption is always an option.
It's called hypocrisy, they're anti abortion UNTIL it's them or any of their family members who are pregnant
Womp womp babies are trash
He’s a terrible person for what he’s doing, but it is actually dangerous to have a person in a coma carry children to term. A lot of times, an injury put them under, and carrying a child is basically like reverse jaws of lifing it. It could kill them or guarantee they never wake up.
With Parkinson they’ve already tried a stem cell transplants they tried it on Michael J Fox simply doesn’t work.
Neither did the first C-section. It used to be C-sections almost always resulted in the death of the mother, as well as the infant. Now a days not only is it extremely rare for the mother to die during the procedure, infants can survive outside the womb (with help) as early as 23 weeks. It used to be infants would die if they were even just a few weeks premature.
Medical technology gets better all the time.
Who wants Stabler back on SVU than Organized Crime?
I do
So much time has passed and there's been so many changes. I don't know where Stabler would even fit.
No his time is up. Still a Detective who can’t control his temper but now he’s bald
"She barely had a pulse" Is he serious?
Menstrual blood has better stem cells, apparently
They needed cells that would be a match for the man and I doubt he's menstruating
3:04 dude went from making dinosaurs working for the people from one order😂😂😂😂😂
Of course he didn’t get in any real trouble, he’s rich, and everyone knows the rich can do whatever they want 🤮
bear.
This is why I'm writing a living will. I will never be on a ventilator or any other kind of life support. I will never be a helpless vegetable.
Hire volunteers. Don't victimize defenseless people.
I mean they could’ve opened an abortion clinic too just saying. He also could’ve gotten a surrogate to atleast get the cord out of it
I think the parents should have a say in their own child’s medical opinion and decisions they can’t make it on their own, right. I love Olivia‘s sparkling wit. ❤ Plus, Chandra Wilson first appearance on the show SVU her last appearance was in episode 911 on the same show SVU❤
Reminds me a bit of the original version of the story of Sleeping Beauty
As a healthcare professional this makes me sick that people like this exists in the field.
Bruce Davison is a great actor. I really liked his character Stan Lathem on The Triangle mini-series.
Make a channel like this for criminal minds CSI or Motive