Episode 31: The Strange Death of Thomas Merton
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- An interview with Hugh Turley, co-author of the book "The Martyrdom of Thomas Merton: An Investigation." In the more than fifty years since Merton passed, this has been the only investigation of his death ever conducted.
3:46 Hugh's investigative background
8:00 Seeking truth / seeking God
10:45 Co-author Dave Martin and past experience
14:35 Media as propaganda machine
17:45 Merton's final hour
33:45 The story about the shower
36:04 People who first saw Merton's body
38:00 The fan that supposedly electrocuted him
43:28 The Abbey of Gethsemane
56:43 Who was Fr. Francois De Grunne?
1:03:00 John Moffitt, America magazine
1:06:50 More evidence of a cover-up
1:11:46 How the book has been received
1:15:27 International Thomas Merton Society
1:23:39 Two poems by Dave Martin
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Mentioned in this episode:
"The Martyrdom of Thomas Merton: An Investigation"
www.amazon.com/Martyrdom-Thom...
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
dcdave.com/article3/991228.html
Vince Foster Murder Cover-up
www.fbicover-up.com
Dave Martin's website
www.DCDave.com
"The Assassination of James Forrestal," by David Martin
www.amazon.com/Assassination-...
"JFK and The Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters," by James Douglass
www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakabl...
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I am a merchant seaman and this is such a wonderful channel for me to feel grounded in my faith. It is hard out here, but I loved this conversation, I love Our Lady, Our Church. Thank you so much. Father Merton has been my anchor chain for decades. I know in my heart he was murdered. Just like all the other logos. God bless and thank you.
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There are no statutes of limitation on murder, the most serious crime. Calling murder accidental suicide is a great injustice. They need to reopen the investigation. The book is full of religious people who are living in a fantasy form of religion. The positive whitewashes of life are a denial of reality.
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Great interview but Ellen needed to stop constantly interrupting. He is extremely competent it's unnecessary.
I found this a most intriguing interview. I especially enjoyed Ellen's ability to pull out the details❤❤❤
I agree. Good thing that Turley could work around the interruptions without losing his train of thought.
From Ireland, Just happened to stumble upon this podcast Nov 2022. Only 10 mins into talk. Remember reading years ago Thomas Merton's own account of his life.
After his Father's death. His grandparents took him from London over to the States to live with them. The grandfather owned a popular Newspaper. So perhaps the young Thomas learned a lot about how media and politics operate behind the scenes. Just a thought.☘️
This popped up on my stream. Hugh is amazing. Thank you for doing this interview. Help us Lord!
I'm surprised the Abbey in Kentucky did not want the death investigated. That is strange indeed. Surely a search for the truth honours Thomas's life and death.
I am not. there are bodies all over the planet in the wake of Catholicism most never recorded
According to Fr. John Hardon, he was killed by the devil, but he never gave any details. He just hint about it in his lectures.
Yes, it’s hard to accept the simple truth rather than look for demons, because we don’t want to believe that a good person can just die due to a sudden body failure (which happened a lot more often back then), or due to an accident. In this case, the simplest explanation is the most likely: that Fr. Merton died as the result of cardiac failure. There was no “crime scene,” therefore no investigation. Let the man rest.
@@Historian212 well you are right to a certain point, but I do know that Fr. John Hardon was an extremely knowledgeable man, with 37 years of formal education, with many degrees in theology, psychology, spirituality, demonology, sociology and so on. He was a very spiritual and rational person at same time. He was also a very holy and honest teacher, was trusted by everyone. He did not tolerate fools, had access to all of what was going on behind the scenes, in the political world as within the structures of the Catholic Church, he knew Merton personally, and that is why I truly believe in him, not irrationally, but because I know he knew. As a discreet person he never went into any details. But yes, may Fr Merton rest in peace.
It might not. See above.
This is a very important topic to cover. The nature of Merton's death is of course very important in how we assess his life, and what we make of his writings and message. I first came across Merton and read through his autobiography very eagerly in the early 2000's, probably right around 9/11, maybe even before. Learning of how he supposedly died in a meaningless accident, however, really gave me pause about him and I never read much more of any of his books. I know he had a sort of personal crisis towards the end of his days and even had an affair and strayed from his vocation a bit, I believe? Then there was the matter of his antiwar activism -- I was much more 'conservative' in political ideology back then and viewed the Vietnam War in a less unfavorable light than I do now, less as an act of imperialist aggression and somewhat more as a noble, yet failed, cause in the Cold War. So I viewed that aspect of his work somewhat skeptically. I have to say, I found his pacifism and unwillingness to fight in the second world war -- our 'good war' and such a hallowed part of our national mythology -- hard to wrap my mind around and agree with. Again, that he ultimately died in a seemingly random accident on the other side of the world while at a Buddhist interfaith conference... all these things added up to form a somewhat murky picture in my judgment of Merton's actions towards the end of his life.
Two decades later, however, as our interminable wars on 'terror' and national decline reveal the true imperialist aims of our government and its national security state, as the parallels between the Vietnam War and the post-9/11 wars, and the assassinations of the 60's become more and more obvious as to what they reveal, Merton's writings on war and violence now appear more obviously prophetic. If his activism provoked some sort of attention from an intelligence agency, his work and life are all the more vindicated.
what information are you referencing regarding his supposed doubt over his vocation and potentially breaking celibacy??
m.th-cam.com/video/wwV7A8FnBP8/w-d-xo.html
Thomas Merton documentary
You should talk with Mark Shaw, author of Denial of Justice, about the death of Dorothy Kilgallen. She was once the most prominent Catholic reporter and media personality in America who died mysteriously of an “overdose” after expressing her doubts about Oswald and Ruby being invoked in any conspiracy to assassinate JFK, with whom she was personal friends. She is the last and only reporter to interview Ruby after his trial and was found dead shortly thereafter.
I find it beyond heartbreaking to hear this detailed interview. I had a feeling when the stupid fan story came out that Thomas Merton was murdered. I'm really sorry I didn't do more years ago to seek and share the truth myself. This interview and Matthew Fox's revelations show us the outrageous truth in a way that simply can't be denied. Hugh Turley and David Martin as well as Matthew Fox have given us a priceless gift with their labors to surface and share this story. I'm grateful to Ellen Finnigan and Catholics Against Militarism as well, for their part in getting this important truth out.
Martyrdom is a big deal in the Catholic religion. If someone killed Merton for preaching the gospel, you'd think his biggest fans would want to recognize it.
According to Fr John Hardon he was killed by the devil. But he never elaborate about it.
Begs the question. I question whether or not that Merton proclaimed the gospel. He was more of a syncretist for Buddhism.
You have done a great service to all of us especially Thomas Merton you are blessed
Thank you Ellen and C.A.M. for shedding light on dark matters.
The blood of the saints will be avenged by Christ on his return.
We are supposed to love in the meantime. Thank you and God bless you both.
I hope there is another interview with Hugh about his latest book "Thomas Merton's Betrayer's" !
His book is a valuable source of illuminating facts. I appreciate his integrity and am happy to learn that he is a devout Catholic. Thanks again for another excellent interview. 👍👍
Thank you for posting this!!!
Wow! This is a revelation to me. Thanks for this interview. 🙏🏽
Edited - Great interview! Merton was clearly taken out for his anti-war position. Thailand uses only 220 volt electricity. They do not have 110 volt and 220 volt appliances like the US. It would be much easier to electrocute someone in Thailand than in the US. Thank you for this content! I'm going to get the both books on Merton and Forrestal.
Most countries use 220 volts because it is a more efficient household current. 220 is not considered high-voltage but it can give you a good shock. Vacuum cleaners, toasters, fans, lamps, and other appliances are not lethal in other countries with 220 current. The 110 volts used in the USA is less efficient, but Americans have a long history of wasting energy with gas-guzzling cars.
@@hughturley1062 - Great interview. It was deeply moving to learn about Merton's story. I've been to Thailand 3 times in the past three years and am fascinated by its people. There was a similar coverup in David Carradine's death in Bangkok where he was allegedly asphyxiated by hanging - which was the cover-up because the autopsy photos clearly reveal massive head trauma and bleeding. It was not a suicide and it was no accident. It affected me because I went to acting class with his daughter Kansas. So sad. We need more people like you and the host of the show to reveal the truth because our government clearly kills its people for profit. Remember Building Seven... Take care sir.
Bearable Pain Weird, I’m not a Catholic but I’m really fascinated by the Forrestal case which led to Thomas Merton. I will be buying the book. The Forrestal books are on Amazon’s Kindle that’s where I got mine copies
A few days before he died he stated that communism was just like his religious community, just like what Jesus taught. I saw a video of him speaking this. A few days later he's dead.
@@Jamesnebula Poor man that he died suddenly still believing that, when cursory research tells us Karl Marx loathed Catholicism.
Idealists are always restlessly searching for Heaven on Earth - on every continent.
Instead of in a relationship with God, instantly.
A cautionary tale, and why l refuse to idealise him, (of course being idealised is a trial anyway) but learn from his false turns, as l know about those first hand, naturally, learn from lives of saints and sinners is prudent, as we are both at turn.
Here's one that needs more investigation. Katie Lentz was trapped under her car in Missouri 2013. A man came out of nowhere, blessed her and the many rescue workers, saying everything was going to be alright, and then disappeared. It was national news TV and Print) and a police artist (composite) sketch of the "Miracle Angel" was in every story - there were multiple witnesses etc..
Anyway, a few days or week later a Priest (in a follow-up) came out and said it was him. The artist sketch looked nothing like him, in fact it bore a striking resemblance to Thomas Merton! The story has been edited down - since the follow-up story revealing the Priest. The sketch is hard to find now ( ABC news I think shows a brief picture still). But still a lot of unanswered questions - like all the witnesses saying he appeared quickly from nowhere and vanished as quickly. Plus the Priest in the follow-up said he was on his way to Mass and stopped - but the original story said the hi way was blocked 1/4 mile in both directions and they had been cutting for a long time. Working so long that their cutters were getting dull. The "Angel" also said their cutters would start working and soon after a new crew showed up with sharp cutters.
As a Buddhist and deep admirer of Thomas Merton I weep that such a wonderful man could have died in this way but you know they will always kill a manifestation of The Christ. Merton however is just fine (spiritually), but those who plotted to harm him are in deep shit. The law of Karma is irrefutable and the consequences of volitional action will manifest when all conditions ripen, in this this life, the one after that and the one after that. I wouldn't want to be them.
He wasnt "a manifestation of The Christ" it is a shame that you admire Merton and yet don't know that that kind of cultural appropriation of the central figure from creed you neither endorse or understand is Blasphemous!
From the Catholic POV Karma and Reincarnation are heretical and part of the gnostic inversion.
"No man can have 2 masters" is not a verse we can ever just step over.
He had zero interest in the trappings of Buddhism but was somewhat naively exploring "techniques," that were "no longer used in the West", allegedly.
Multiculturalism was the buzzword, Cultural Appropriation the antithesis, was in the future back then.
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He dialogued with a Zen Master after the completion of his The Wisdom of the Desert. Merton sent a copy to Suzuki with the hope that he would comment on Merton's view that the Desert Fathers and the early Zen masters had similar experiences. Nearly ten years later, when Zen and the Birds of Appetite was published, Merton wrote in his postface that "any attempt to handle Zen in theological language is bound to miss the point" calling his final statements "an example of how not to approach Zen." Merton struggled to reconcile the Western and Christian impulse to catalog and put into words every experience with the ideas of "Christian" apophatic theology and the inexplicable nature of the Zen experience.
N.B. In keeping with his idea that non-Christian faiths had much to offer Christianity in experience and perspective and little or nothing in terms of doctrine,
Merton distinguished between Zen Buddhism, an expression of history and culture, and "his Zen" What "Merton meant by Zen Buddhism" was taken from the the Chan version only that began in China and spread to Japan and became Zen, as well as the rituals and institutions that accompanied it" unquote.
Endless Research as a form of procrastination may have made him vulnerable to forgetting his vows?
Practice is Our Amor of God. Practice.
His constant restlessness and dissatisfaction led to his dying "a long way from home" on many levels, and that is very poignant.
A lifetime of searching, and yet, God was solidly behind him all the time.
"The reaction of the monastery is not good." While staying at Gethsemani as a visiting Gyrovague/Postulant I listened to innumerable criticisms from other visiting Catholic lay and clergy how the monks should respond on various subjects and world events, and how they should change to accommodate modern culture. Out of reverence and respect for the Trappist monastic tradition I cannot comment on conversations I've had with some of the monks. However, I can remind Hugh Turley and the like that how monks, under Holy Orders, manage their community is as much their own private concern as how a couple, united in Christ through the Sacrament of Matrimony, handle their own private lives.
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In the interview, mention is made of electricity. In Thailand, standard voltage is 220v, which can easily be fatal. It's twice the 110v which is standard on USA. Of course, one would think that if the fan had a short circuit, it should trigger some type of circuit breaker.
Special place in hell for CIA.
Please revisit an interview with Hugh Turley and cover his new book "Thomas Merton's Betrayers " !
You two worked so well together. I have watched this interview over and over, gaining insight each time.
I'm going to in 2024! Top of the list...
This is such great news !!!!!
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I was surprised to hear about Thomas Merton's death investigation. I have great interest life of Thomas and his spirituality- read his books such as Asian Journey. I am the first person who visited six Catholics monasteries of USA as a part of East - west dialogue program in 1981.
It is easier to see what is really going on in the world if you live outside of mainstream society.
Hey Ellen, thank you for posting this very interesting video. Excellent guest and keep up the great work. Matthew 7: 7.
An investigation will conclude nothing. What matters most is that we live and follow in his footsteps and that of God, with out fear. He lived an amazingly enlightened life, he left a wonderful legacy of beautiful spiritual work and noone can destroy that.
What about the monk viewing Merton’s body getting a shock from the fan and turning it off?
Mr Turly,. I have sent a message to your website outlining why I think that intended or accidental electrocution is highly unlikely. I have had some experience working with circuitry of the type found in Thailand. Keep digging.
I thought it was unusual that Fr Merton died in such a way... He was on Hoover's list of 'Lefty's' ( that definition has changed in 50 years).
I think your premiss is feasible.
-- I laughed when you said " did you have a nice swim? And I think some one has died up stairs".
I heard that Merton and King and Thick Naht Hahn intended to meet up in order to work together. What a powerful triad that would have been! Too powerful, perhaps. Matthew Fox says he received a confession from Merton's assassin. What up with Brother Patrick? Anything known about the fellow?
So, your take is that it was the CIA that murdered Fr. Louis because of his anti-war writings? That makes sense. For a while, I was suspecting that it could have been the Vatican. Merton was among the first Catholic authors to recognize and celebrate the spiritual wisdom of some of the Asian religions, an idea that was not acceptable, at least not when I was a child, when it was taught that Catholicism was the only true religion and following other religions could end you up in hell! I think pioneers like Merton and other features of aggiornamento have produced a kind of civil war in the church, but are necessary if Catholicism is to survive in a world that is making the old worldview look more and more untenable. But then again, the stance of Gethsemani Abbey makes me wonder if my initial suspicion might not be so far off.
Wow. I could not stop listening, what a fascinating insight into this mystery. I have struggled to understand how God could have taken Merton in this fashion (electrocution) and now I have much more to consider.
very interesting.
Merton. a brilliant and original thinker, certainly did not worship at the altar of the religion of Americanism. Mr Turley, and his colleague, have written a very important book.
This is a revelation that you can never trust even the institution or people you consider to put premium on integrity and truth.
Look at the correspondence between Thomas Merton and Ernesto Cardenal. Cardenal had been a monk at Getsemani and had left the abbey to join the struggle against the dictatorship of Somoza in Nicaragua. Merton and Cardenal had talked about the foundation of a new community in the island of Solantiname in Nicaragua. The CIA and the abbey probably had another motive to kill Merton because of his association with Cardenal and their struggle for justice and peace around the world.
Before the photos are "disappeared," get a secret copy and send to tons of people secretly.
If you haven't listened to anything from Bishop Robert Barron, give him a try on TH-cam. He is a good teacher on the faith.
There was a current in the Abbey that was opposed to Merton’s public persona perhaps even jealous. The reason they did not seek the truth is because it didn’t matter. Merton had been stopped that’s all that counts, wether by accident , the CIA or God was inconsequential.
There are to many sudden deaths of famous clergy that has me wondering what really went on. e.g. The pope who suddenly died in his sleep is one. Power and prestige can cause leaders to do strange things. Joan Grieser
Not leaders but leaders’ opponents
Pope John Paul 1 does indeed come to mind.
I love six years in Thailand. It seems like a perfect ordinary destiny. Tragic, but I’m special about it.
solve this by bringing the body back up - do an autopsy and also see if his body is incorrupt, that he is a saint.
2 reasons why he may have been "offed", (murdered) 1. was that he was about to publish against the Vietnam War, and THAT would have been far too much for the Johnson Administration, as Merton was a FAR too important Catholic writer. It would have had a HUGE impact on US Catholics, in a negative way. 2. Another thing I recently discovered is that Merton had written a piece against the French obtaining the nuclear bomb at the time. Gethsemane submitted it to the Abbott General (in France), (was it Gabriel Sortais OCSO) for permission to publish, who absolutely forbad they publish it. The Abbott General WAS in favor of the additional French power, being from an upper-class French family, and knew Merton might try to evade his authority, as his recent (at the time) affair with the famous "M" (the nurse from Louisville), and may even at the time been thinking of leaving his order. Merton had decided before Bangkok to not leave the monastery, and break off his affair. (Best article about it is in the Irish Times, and in the book "Beneath the Mask of Holiness". I used to think it was certainly the US secret services that did it, based on orders from the Johnson Admin .... now I think was the French intelligence service. It would explain how the Fr. de Guerre got involved, who was a "plant" in his monastery.
Can you further explain this statement: "It would have had a HUGE impact on US Catholics, in a negative way."
Greg Hillard gives lectures on Merton's affair with M. He calls Merton's journal entries on it as "cringy". Why should he not be ae to believe that Merton's death could be other than what has been fed to us? Scholars' should always keep an open mind. Guess nhe just wants to to a good soldier and not lose his job!!!
Why no comment on the fact the door was locked from the inside? How could that be if someone did this.
The monks who first entered the room unlocked the door latch from the outside. There was no key needed. The door could be latched and unlatched from the outside.
Why would anyone want to kill Thomas Merton? Was it maybe because of his stance on civil rights? He’s definitely one of my heroes.
The uninteresting info about Vince Foster was off-topic and should have been deleted.
That Monestary reminds me of the one in "Name of the Rose"
The enemies of the TRUTH are the enemies of the people.
Highly proficiant and informative with an angelic face.
its hard to understand~so unfair~why can't we stop the real bad guys~while the bad guys thrive:~(
very good discussion
"The world is full of great criminals with enormous power, and they are in a death struggle with each other. It is a huge gang battle, using well-meaning lawyers and policemen and clergymen as their front, controlling papers, means of communication, and enrolling everybody in their armies." - Thomas Merton
Great quote! Do you have a reference/citation? I'd love to use this.
@@catholicsagainstmilitarism It's attributed to Merton's "Letter to Ernesto Cardenal."
I´m shocked. Never heard about this. What a plot twist for me.
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Thanks for going against the grain on the side of the truth. Give me courage in an age of chicanery.
The Trappist lifestyle is very heart-healthy
Has anyone heard Fr. Richard Rohr's account of speaking at the Abbey and the reaction from the monks upon mentioning Fr. Thomas Merton's name? It was very negative.
Not everyone is a fan of Rohr
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How about Breitbart?
Do you think we can really know at this point in time? And does his death authenticate Merton’s teaching. Can anyone say that Merton was not a syncretist for Buddhism?
Did Merton remain Catholic? What’s his standard with the Catholic Church? Is he orthodox in his belief? I have been told his earlier writings are good but beware of his later writings. I got one of his books and not have read it yet.
His writings up to 1958 are steadfastly Catholic. After that, he goes off on an Eastern tangent from which he never returned.
OMG Brett Cavanaugh supreme court justice named as part of this old boys coverup along with Abbey of Gethsemane, lots of Thai government (then).
His review of Cavanaugh is brutal
Has Thomas Merton ever commented on the problem of evil and suffering ?
Thomas merton should be a saint ?
Merton died on the very same day he has entered the monastery, 30 years later. I always thought that, beside the physical cause, God took him, like, that's enough, you've done your job here on earth. I like him a lot as a spiritual writer, contemplative, but never liked his Liberal views of the Bible (the account of Craation in Genesis as a collection of myths, Evolution instead, etc.).
1968-1941= 27 years. But yeah, it was the same day of the year in both instances.
Was obviously murder. RIP
Assassination is extremely common.
Thanks!
Mr Turly, what do you think happened to Seth Rich?
I take a stab at an answer in the article, "Seth Rich Equals Vince Foster?" at dcdave.com/article5/170525.htm. Here's a quote from the article: "In Rich’s case, by contrast [with Foster], you can start with the motive, which almost screams out at you. He is strongly suspected of being the source of the leaks of the DNC emails to Wikileaks that supposedly did so much damage to the Hillary Clinton campaign. Wikileaks has even published an email from campaign manager John Podesta that says, 'I’m definitely for making an example of a suspected leaker whether or not we have any real basis for it.' That might explain why nothing was taken from Rich in the 'botched robbery.' If you make the murder look too much like it was simply the byproduct of a garden-variety street crime, the intended message would not be sent. That might explain as well why no money was taken from the Starbucks cash registers in the Caity Mahoney killing."
Having watched this I have ,downloaded the book. The theories at least call into question the party line !!
However as a retired psychotherapist let me say that the monk from the Belgian abbey has all the signs of severe psychological problems and his behaviour eg pacing ,running up and down stairs, even his strange behaviour with the two abbots after Merton’s death all add up to a disturbed man and I would suggest he be eliminated from the theory .Just a thought and not a criticism.
Please young lady interrupting is annoying.
"What I require of you is mercy, not sacrifice". Thanks for sharing.
Hugh Turley who is speaking looks like he could be Ken Stars's brother.
This is what the Empire does.
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This is my first time seeing this channel. It is fascinating to watch the body language of the man being interviewed, and who has written a book.... it seems astonishing to me to be led to thinking that this author is quite disapproving that the interviewer actually got to get a copy of his book, AND that this guy, Turley, is openly disgusted that Fr Charles McCarthy would have anything to do with getting this book known to the interviewer. So, at this viewing, I have not listened to the rest of this interview, but, already, I am extremely prejudiced against Turley...... far from either gracious or trustworthy, in my opinion... just my opinion at this early point. Blessings.
I think you might be misinterpreting. Hugh actually published a quote from Fr. McCarthy on the back of his second book.
Where in the world is Hugh Turley? He needs to get on as many TH-cam videos as possible to promote his new book. It picks up where the first one left off. HUGH W H E R E ARE YOU?!?!?!
Going to try to interview him about the new book soon!
Get to the material!! Not a good interview to get curious about TM's death. Vincent Foster! How bout' this truth? Ya'll are boring!
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Nothing to see here. Very likely Merton took a shower, it's extremely hot and sweaty in Bangkok. Cold showers are an absolute necessity. Also the electrics in Asia are notoriously bad and the fan would have had a metal frame. With or without a shower he would have been wet, if not with water then with perspiration. A fall would very likely result in a head injury. With only sheet dividers an intruder would have easily been heard or seen. The showers in those days would not have been noisy power showers but just a fine quiet spray iif not a trickle. This is just a very bad conspiracy theory. Thailand and the Thai people are wonderful. R. I. P Father Merton.
I always thought he was murdered.
Gethsemane didn't welcome you. So not Trappist indeed. #CoverMeWithLies #PietyAcediaDeception
Not impressed by Merton He comes across to me as a weird self focussed person yet putting out the opposite
Do we Love conspiracy theories even More than we Love the truth?...
qreat couraqe....
What do Catholics believe regarding Muslims and Afghanistan?
Muslims worship the One True God, but not in the manner that He wishes and that He has revealed. Afghanistan - regarding the US invasion, unjust. Regarding the country, nothing specific I suppose.
@@johnwachowicz1966 Catholics actually believe Muslims are good people but the Muslim faith is false. We believe it’s origins are from a demonic source.
@@johnwachowicz1966 That must be post Vatican ll modernist rapprochement. because denying and insulting the Trinity and Christ's Sacrifice logically make it a different west arabian god and Jibril NOT Gabriel, (The Jibril that terrified his listener and drove him to near suicide)
Europe was invaded by Muslims 400 times even before the Crusades and the Barbary slave trade, unlike the US, jihad has always been very "real" for us.
The Afghani people have been utterly betrayed, decade after decade imo, but there is no Vatican "line," just vacillating and "words" that's my exasperated opinion, mine alone.
Too much sugar in my coffee...I blame the CIA.
Well, sugar is a killer so I wouldn't put it past them. That's kind of "their thing." ;)
Everyone hás his destiny when he born só no one hás educacional to coment any way at the hour of any death of. Anyone poor repulsable conversation
I am not a Christian. I am a seeker of the truth.
Thank you for this interview, book, also persevering, being seekers of the truth, and providing information about we can all become better seekers of the truth.😊
Not knowing the John 3 passage is a shame. Cut your mass time down and voraciously study the Bible. Not the daily Missal.
Don't spend time kissing the Bible.
Read it thoroughly and in big bites.
The ignorance of scripture is the weakness of Catholics. Reject man-made dogmas.
what is this woman's name? SHE doesn't give it !!
Ellen Finnigan. Nice to meet you, Michael! :)
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Merton, “Accidentally” died in Thailand, a fan used for ventilation in a Buddhist Monastery bath room fell over into Merton’s shower and he was electrocuted. Sorry no drama or conspiracy, ACCIDENTALLY” Bangkok is very hot and humid and Merton may have caused this himself? Merton was among friends and had been warmly invited to visit! The fan would only be used for guests. ✝️
This lady is just annoying, keeps on interrupting the speaker
Why on Earth did Patrick Hart make up the shower story. Presumably no one paid him.
That is a very good question. People make a big mistake when they think that men and women who have chosen a cloistered life of prayer are not vulnerable to the same sins that plague all of mankind. Why do any of us sin? Sometimes it is for nothing more than the approval of others.
Patrick Hart did not have the authority to independently cover-up the murder. If you know that Patrick served and was loyal to Merton's nemesis, Abbot James Fox that may be a clue.
Really glad for this and for this movement. Glad for Vatican II, Pope Francis, and people like Merton. Gives me hope.
This is preposterous nonsense. It’s not a shred of evidence of any of this.
Poor Thomas. Brought so many away from Christ!
If Fr. Louis retained his Faith to the end, and was assassinated, then he is a martyr of the Church. His later writings, however, significantly veered from the Faith. Therefore, if he was a heretic at his death, it was merely murder, not martyrdom. As Henry VI I I early on was considered a Defender of the Faith, yet died outside the Church, the possibility remains with Merton. He was educated enough to know better, yet seemed caught up in the many revolutions of his time. Since he began as a secular protestant (at best), it seems he reverted back to liberalism at the end, falling outside the Church and therefore outside any cause for sainthood. The death (and place of burial) of Archbishop Thuc of Vietnam is also shrouded in mystery. Catholics absolutely need to know what makes Sacraments licit and valid, so all these things are intertwined and very necessary for Salvation. Thank you for bringing this to the attention of Catholics, but as traditionalists know, much more knowledge is still needed to be in Truth, as God wills for us.
What is your support for this idea that he "veered from the faith"? Do you have any of his writings, specifically, to support that (primary sources)? If so, I would be interested in hearing about it / reading it.
You are free to do their research. His early writings are very orthodox, but his later ones are full of modernism. Very disappointing. Many start well but end badly. It appears it happened to Fr. Louis (Merton)
I don't think it's right to say that someone veered from the faith unless you have something to back it up.
His writings back it up. He basically went from Catholic to modernist. Once someone becomes heretical, they are no longer members of the Church. It's very sad, but obvious in his writings. You will have to do your own research. I tried to collect all his works, but lost everything a few years ago. Therefore, I cannot easily pull things off a shelf to quote for you. The Church has doctrinal standards, and once someone leaves the safe ground of Faith, their writings may have only a whiff of heresy, or a stench, as it is commonly described. I will not give an opinion on where Fr. Merton's later ones fell on the spectrum. I will just say that I was disappointed by it, as are many other Catholics.
Again, I don't think it's right to call someone a heretic unless you can produce something to back it up. Just saying "lots of people agree with me" is, I'm afraid, not sufficient.
Merton had angered a lot of people. He wanted to be by himself a lot and could seem to be cold or rude or arrogant to other people. Many were disappointed when they tried to talk with him because he acted aloof. He was very special but certainly wasn't a saint.
That all may be true, but whether he was a saint has no bearing on whether he should have been murdered.
This is a bunch of opportunistic speculation by people who know next to nothing but have opinions about everything. It disrespects Thomas Merton and his legacy. I'm sure they'll make plenty of money off of their book and speaking engagements. This is so shameful.
The book is very well researched. Lots of facts. If you have not read it, you are the one talking about that which you do not know.
Elizabeth, you sound like a CIA liar
Merton! who cares? Google "Thomas Merton's illegitimate daughter". Then Google "Thomas Merton: the hermit who never was, his young lover and mysterious death". Then read Augustine's Confessions for a healthy refresher.
You reference a newspaper article as the source of your scholarship? Really? You are not entitled to an opinion.
What a butt thou art, O Peter!!! smh
A good start would be to cancel your National Inquirer subscription and actually read scholarly works that are based on actual research and objective inquiry, and not depend on gossip and hearsay.
Where does it say Jesus was celibate? Oh he may have had sexual relations ooooohhh well "who cares if he was murdered" and let's disregard all he had to share!!!! Google close minded bigots you may find your name