Wahoo KICKR CLIMB Gradient Simulator: Unboxing, Install, Ride Review.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- Here it is! The unboxing, install, and ride review of the Wahoo KICKR CLIMB Gradient Simulator. First seen at Eurobike 2017, the unit is about so start shipping soon - So here's all the details on what you need to know to get rolling up and down on the first-of-a-kind product on the market.
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GPLama Kickr Climb Preview Video: goo.gl/zJneXR
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Yet another well shot, well produced, informative review, Shane. Great to see the different camera angles and overlays. It really adds to the overall experience. Keep it up!
Shane, you are a legend. The screen shot at 12:46 allowed me to solve the lack of comms from Zwift to the climb. I was using BT but not getting a response. Tried ANT as shown (looked for the FE value) and I'm all hooked up. Your videos have been instrumental in getting me up and cycling with my wahooligan set up. Cheers
Just got mine. Takes a little getting used to but it really makes Zwift even more immersive. Great video as always.
Great Video, really helped! BTW. I just set up my Climber with my KICKR. The rise and drop of the Climber in Zwift Watopia was spot on. I did not feel a lag.
at 13:44 we see the MAMIL in his artificial environment react to the new toy with a spontaneous, genuine, happy-smile going on :D
...now I can't wait 'til mine gets delivered to my LBS!!! I'll be up there before they can hang up the phone when they call to tell me it's arrived. Great vid, Shane; you're always perfectly thorough. Thanks!
Cheers Shane great work as usual
Great video/explanation again Lama. I just got this and really like it. The benefit I'm getting is the diverse set of body position that helps for longer hours of indoor riding.
Excellent review. Not sure I’m going to invest in that though. For those curious how to convert angle to gradient:
Gradient [%] = Tan(Angle[°]) × 100
You look so happy when you go riding :) real love there
Nice review (as always). Thinking about getting one as loving my Kickr trainer and Zwift but keen to add an extra element of realism. Love it how the instruction manual is quickly discarded during the unboxing!
great video as usual Shane!
Comprehensive Lama review, most excellent.
Woah. Look at that awesome bar tape!
Excellent review!
Awesome review. My dream cave just added another component!
Just wanted to say thank you for making this video, it was very helpful
Thorough stuff Shane, really good insight into set up and how the unit performs. Yet to work my way up to even a Kickr yet, though it's firmly on the wish list (probably a Wahoo refurbished gen 1 mind), but perhaps one day I too can play with up and down buttons while riding my bike...
Thanks Shane invaluable info as always , cheers.
Excellent review Shane. Same can not be said of the music choice :) That lag needs to be looked at before release but it's still pretty cool.
Digging your cycling room. Looks so clean. Unfortunately I am not going to have a room that looks like that for a long while. Great review. I think you are getting better and better, but I know it takes a lot of time in post edit to mash all of the videos/audios together. Fantastic job. I am still learning the ropes in the TH-cam world.
I can see this being a good thing for comfort on the saddle as well and moving your contact points around throughout a ride.
Bingo!
Spot on.
Now I won't wear out my front tire after a full winter on the trainer.
1975lap please tell.me that was a joke.
you can buy so many tires for the price of this thing 😂
Perfect excuse to get one lol 😂😂😂
Great video and awesome aero tuck!
I am really looking forward the setup + rocket plate. cannot wait it! Great review.
Fortunately, I am using neo right now. Kickr climb is useless for me currently lol.
Looking forward to other brands (Saris) taking this idea and making climb devices for their respective smart trainers.
2:05 probably the best part of the review.
Excellent as ever, like popping round a mates house to see his latest toy, then trying to work out if you can justify one yourself!! Now where's my piggy bank??
Another great video Shane. Would like to see you re-ride your TT course map you made a video of a few months ago, and see how it compares with the Climb installed.
I like the idea! Stay tuned.
Well done Video!! I am looking forward to the rocker and Climb together.. I think if the rockers become more popular, hopefully The smart trainer manufactures will get smart and build there own rockers..
academyrulz ,integration faces at least one hurdle, that being the US patent owned by Kinetic for the Rock and Roll trainer. Maybe there are ways around it, but I think that patent is one reason we haven't already seen integrated rockers from other trainer builders.
Chad McNeese Kinetic only have a patent.on.their design.of rocker not a rocker trainer perse because a bicycle mount trainer is not a new concept or invention. Look at it like Sram.and WiFi or Shimano and di2, neither tech is truly innovative enough to claim.a sole copy write patent.
Nice one mate, very useful and detailed
Excellent review.
Your full motion teevee mounts need to move with this 😂
Man for that money I think I will get a better riding experience with a rocker plate.... top content as usual Shane! 👍🏼🍻
Looks like fun! Thank's for the review :-)
15 years ago when Computrainer was the hot setup we raced on NetAthlon. (Think 8 bit avatars!) Someone had invented & patented a climbing device that worked with the CTrainer. It was $800 at the time.......I almost bought it.....
Ed Burgess I heard about this and searched, but haven't found any pics or info. I'd love to see it if anyone knows where to find it.
Good work mate. Cheers 👍👍
My kid just said, “that Lama, always opening presents from his grandma” :-)
Then check out the next video.... going live in 3....2.....
Great video!
I hope tacx guys get one built soon.and compatible with the tacx neo
Good on!
I want to ask the following questions:
Why didn't you do a full out sprint?
Why do you use the block for the front wheel?
And is it compatible with other trainers?
BUT I actually read the comments before I ask questions, and seeing as you answered them all 20 times I'll leave you be lol
Great review as always Shane!
G'day Mullens! (Legend multiple Aussie Champion for anyone reading the comments!)
- A full out sprint - I didn't think it was all that important, it's not a power meter or a flywheel/trainer. It's held up fine in sprints in follow up rides. I'll do one on the next video I do on the Climb (likely with the Kickr SNAP).
- I use a front wheel block on static trainers to take the pressure off my hands/arms/arse. Without steering, veering, and the changing centre of gravity you get outside with accelerations/hills, I find it more comfortable to jack the front up a few inches. Just personal preference.
- The Climb is only compatible with the trainers that have full up/down pivots with the rear drops. So at the moment that's the Kickr17/SNAP17. Using this with a trainer where the bike is 'locked in' will eventually grind and wear hangers and dropouts, and people will get all grumpy. I'm sure Wahoo would love to have this compatible with all trainers, it'd x4 their ability to sell more.... but... it just won't work at this point with other trainers.
OH MY GOD you didn't even read my full comment did you..??? lol
But thanks for the in depth reply :)
I read it all! Promise. They were good questions I could summarise for everyone else to read too. :)
Well I was taking the piss with those questions, but I do enjoy your reviews! And I too use a block to take the pressure off my hands, so pro.
As always, great video review. Any info on using it with Tacx NEO .
Not possible. The rear drops don't move and will grind/wear the frame.
Thanks Motti Pikelny! We’re lucky to have a few old bikes to put on a trainer. They have 10-speed drive trains, have short cage derailleurs, and small cassettes. I wanted to replicate 15%+ grades without slipping to
Cool, I want one. Can you do a video showing the "Trainer Difficulty" interactions? Will it move more when you crank it up?
Stay tuned on that one... It's still early days for Zwift (and the others) who are figuring out how to give the best experience with one of these units.
I have watched you from the start and I have to say Cycling maven might get jealous soon as your subs are getting very close to his and might surpass ;-)
He's got a lot more on his plate than to worry about my subs. Looks like baby Mave is almost here. We also do different things, so there's room for everyone. SocialBlade is where you'll get all the trends/stats/history for social channels too.
Shane Miller - GPLama relax I was being silly you both do different things. Just keep making great content and I will keep watching the both of you 😉
Finally...
Woohoo! Now when will the damn thing ship?! I've been waiting (and constantly wearing down my F5 key on Wahoo's website) since Black Friday...
Glad to hear they're making sure to get it right for sure, but good lord am I getting angsty waiting for this thing!
Also glad to see you can change the axle height AND the wheelbase since that changes what angles correspond to what - that was a concern I hadn't seen previously addressed. For a taller ride I know I think it'll only be able to go to about 16%, but I doubt he would complain about ONLY 16% lol.
I'm also curious to see the desk solutions people come up with. Looks like the Wahoo desk works OK-ish, but not as well as before where you could slide it back over top of the hoods, and instead now it looks like you have to just stretch out every time.
Lastly - you said pre-orders are open, but where? On Wahoo's website you can still only sign up for email notifications... www.wahoofitness.com/devices/bike-trainers/kickr-climb-indoor-grade-simulator
As long as the bars clear the desk it's all good. There's a few Aussie retailers who have pre-orders open. I won't plug them here... Google will find them.
Nice. 4K :)
I have a climb and I generally like it. The biggest problem is that Zwift often fails to deliver the gradient info to the unit. I’ve done all kinds of experiments and there’s no rhyme or reason to when it works and when it does not. You often won’t know that anything is wrong until 5 minutes into a Zwift ride because they usually start at 0%. So as soon as you warm up... nothing. You have a $650 front wheel stand. 🤷🏽♂️
Great review! I was curious about any delay.. Wahoo.. if you're reading.
Stay tuned on this one. I believe Zwift are doing some funky testing with road ahead. I’ll be across it and post a follow up.
Hi Shane, thanks for the video, they're always great. I'm looking at the product at the moment. Have you had any information on the belt failing on the unit? Seems to be a bit out there across the net about it. Thanks in advance, and thanks for all the great info you put out.
I’ve seen those posts. It’s up to a Wahoo to reassure people it won’t happen... or they’ll be looked after if it does.
Great video - thanks for posting. So when I tried your "tip" to hold the bars and let the unit swing and settle mine is very stiff (brand new) and doesn't swing freely - any tips/ideas for this, QR too tight perhaps?
It should swing free as it needs to pivot as the bike goes up and down. Not sure what the issue would be without seeing it.
@@gplama Thanks Shane, sorry been crazy busy. Maybe it was just a little stiff out the box, seems to be moving more freely now - thanks
Nice review Shane. Looks like there was more side to side motion using the Climb than when on the trainer block. Was this bothersome and did it have any affect on wattage? Thanks!
Didn't feel any different to me having the Climb on the front compared to a wheel. Only the ups and downs. No impact on power, well, none I could tell with that hour of power.
I'm curious to know how stable it feels when doing sprint type efforts. It looks stable, but if you jump out of the saddle and throw down hard does it feel properly planted?
I didn't rip out any green jersey sprints... but the contact points are the same as a wheel, so the feel is no different.
Hi Shane, I already posted this as a reaction to another Kickr Climb video. (Kickr) Indoor Trainers and ROCKR Plates so far so good, but the climb might turn out to be a problem for a lot of riders using it in the near future. Let me explain this. If you angle your setup into a climbing position, all the load moves back into the saddle. toes and feet get lighter, likewise irl on the road. Sitting in a climb, the steeper you go up, the more load moves back to saddle. Load in the saddle means the spine (esp the lower part with the discs, muscles and nerves, down to the sciatica) has to compensate this kind of load. IRL your bike is able to move in bidirectional positions, left/right and back/forward. Back and forward movement in a climbing position on the Kickr Climb is not possible in almost every setup I saw. So far only the new cycleops rockr plate gives this kind of motion. Unfortunately the risk for getting serious back problems and pain with the Kickr Climb is very high, cause the load for the spine will increase dramatically while climbing in a sitting position. To be honest, I am not sure, why no other orthopedician or physiotherapist came up with this to date. I won't even think about, how untrained riders and beginners in indoor training, with no suitable trained back muscles, will sum up after using the Kickr. Also I find it a little bit strange, that there is Zero health issue warning from Wahoo's side... Just my 2 cents! Beside that, have fun and ride on!
Interesting. I'll be keeping my ear to the ground on the experience people have with the Kickr/Climb combo. I'll have to study this more... off the top of my head I'd say a poor bike fit would be more troublesome than what the Climb does/can do.
I know you should also know some riders (mortly beginners) who turn out to get back problems esp while sitting on hills and when they start into the sport. I agree with you that IRL also bikefit and wrong position is a plausible reason. But it is also a reaction that they put load on there lower back even IRL and being in a perfect position. The question is, does it sum up indoor and how much is it, when the trainer is fixed back-/forward. Have you done some longer climbs so far, meaning by going up let's say Alp d'Zwift which is the longest possible climb? If yes, how did your back managed it? Did you feel any differnece?
I've done Alpe D'Zwift a few times with the Climb. No issues at all, for me.
Great video. Your thoughts on this setup vs. the Tacx Neo? Which would you ride more often on your own time?
Neo is quieter... and requires no calibration if you're using it as a power source. There's a ton of other factors too.... so what I ride and what others should ride are not always the same. Your call.
To get the Climb to move the correct amount in Zwift, you can leave the difficulty at 50%, and just double your wheelbase length on the Wahoo App for Climb Setup.
Yes. Covered in detail here: th-cam.com/video/7AZ_j0HDDeQ/w-d-xo.html
Hi there! Nice video. I love your reviews. Let me know, is kickr climb working on zwift workouts or only on free rides? Thanks
Only SIM mode free rides on Zwift. You can manually adjust it outside of SIM mode (workouts).
Shane any chance of a review of a rocker plate? They look cool and might also add to the ride experience
If I can get one, sure. Not too keen on making one from scratch. I've got a pile of things on my plate at the moment before getting into another DIY.
Shane Miller - GPLama excellent. They sure look interesting. Just a matter of time before there are more people making and selling them. Great potential for long rides. Big bunnings project. More than the bike stand
Great review Shane! I'm interested in getting one for myself. However, I have a few concerns.
At 16:33, when you started jumping out of the saddle, the fork was flexing. Another closer look at 17:10, your frame in general flexed laterally. I understand bike frames do flex, especially when riding on trainers. With the fork mounted, the flex is magnified. I'm concern about prematurely fatigue stressing the frame, especially when the frame has small defects, which could lead to delamination. Any input?
Did you try to all-out sprint on it? If yes, how stable was it?
Keep up the good work!
My take - You'll always deal with flex. It's by design on bikes. If you're ever worried about your bike, then get another one... one you can afford to snap in two and throw away. If you're letting concerns about delamination creep in... and it's having an impact on your training, don't use carbon. Not that I have any issues with using them and trying to snap them in half indoors (haven't yet), but if you're worried nail the issue and spend the time rolling with a smile.
I'm not sure why people are asking about an all out sprint on the unit? I'll do one... but.... I'm not sure for what reason? Contact points are the same. It's stable. It's not a power meter or resistance unit. I'll do one... but only because people are asking. (if it's about jamming the front wheel into the ground, then that's incorrect sprinting form)
Great video Shane, any reason why you use a front wheel mount with the wahoo? I thought you didn’t need to.
Preference. There’s no steering or momentum indoors to take the static pressure off the hands, so I find the block more comfortable. Not needed with the Climb as it is moving around a lot and giving the hands/arms relief.
Cool video. Question - it looked a little unnerving watching it move around. Obviously it’s locked in and the rear axle is locked too but did it feel any different from a wheel when actually in use?
No different at all. Identical contact points, so it's just the same. Although good question - because visually it looks kind of strange.
Compatibility note: we discovered today that the Climb does not work with Trek bikes that have a recess in the fork for a SpeedTrap speed sensor (vs. in the chainstay for a DuoTrap speed/cadence sensor). On those bikes, the forks have a larger-than-normal diameter, which causes them to rub against the housing of the Climb as the it raises and lowers the bike.
Interesting. Thanks for the post Bob.
Hi Shane - great review. So now we are removing front & rear wheel, just thinking whether I should then keep my old steel framed bike permanently setup...or are you better Zwifting on your good bike?
Bike doesn't really matter. As long as the groupset is reliable, the contact points are comfortable, and it's not a bending wet noodle of a frame that'll be horrible to ride.
I just bought this and am very excited to use it. I am struggling with the adapter choices. You don't mention the size you choose that I can understand. I have 700x25 tire size quick release non disk brakes, I see numbers like 12x100 with the Blue sticker and so on. This is my struggle. I. don't know which one is for me
You'll need the QR inserts that look like your front wheel. Page 1 of the manual shows "Adapter A - Quick Release Adapters"
Ultimate set up. What's the all in cost for the entire kickr range you've got?
Is it worth it when specifically training for cycling in the mountains? I mean when cycling uphill your balance shifts and it’s hard to adapt to that when everything near you is flat
Nice Work Shane. I am interested in your experience on the climb in relation to the screen height. Like you, I have a wall mounted TV and I am keen to know if you had any difficulty with neck strain etc when the climb changed gradient. This would probably be at the worst on maximum downward gradients. Is there an optimal height for the screen when using the climb?
I didn't have any dramas with the TV height. You won't be spending a lot of time at any negative gradients, or epic positive ones, so non issue in my books.
Great review Shane what is the weight limit of it please.
Weight Limit - 250lbs (same as KICKR/SNAP)
Curious if they will be able to improve the kickr climb Zwift integration as you mentioned. I thought the Climb just takes the data directly from the Kickr, so Zwift doesn't even know about it. I hope that it can be resolved though! I am looking forward to this.
Shane, with manual mode can one use the climb with other trainers? Great detailed video!
Sure. But it will grind away the rear drops if they don’t pivot.
Great review Shane, looks like a fun bit of kit but what about the supposed physiological benefits of riding at different angles engaging slightly different muscles, would a test with some pedal analysis software reveal anything perhaps?
The pedal stroke would be more influenced by the gradient(resistance) change than the bike angle.
Shane Miller - GPLama Yes good point, so substantiating the claim that it will "engage climbing muscles, and improve pedaling technique" could be tricky. TBH I'm not too fussed if it does or not just would be interesting to try and find out, I think most people are more interested in the extra immersion it brings and the possibility of a less sore arse after a long ride, so we just need you to do the mega pretzel challenge with it now to find out 😀
Great question. I was interested in the answer because I wanted to work on long, seated climb type efforts. This device would probably not help much with that at all, but turning a harder gear at a lower cadence might. So I got the Kura because its high resistance feels exactly like a constant uphill grind, but I feel I do need to prop the front wheel up on blocks to really hit the glutes and hammies like a on a real mountain climb.
Good review 👍... in your opinion which would be a better set up for a more immersive zwift experience.. tacx neo or kickr snap 17 with a climb?? (Both set ups around £1000 uk)
The climb for sure... as it moves more naturally, well, as you'd expect a bike to move on hills. But you're comparing direct drive to wheel-on, so there're two different things.
Llama! Thanks for the review! - I recently crashed and sprained both hands (a small fracture on one of my wrists) I was thinking of getting the climb to set it to max climb so the weight of my body is not so much on the hands while staying seated. Is that something I can achieve w the climb?
Yep. But to be honest a few phone books (if those are a thing any more?) will do the same job for that specific purpose.
With your close relationship to wahoo do you think they will bring out “adaptors” so the climb could be used on say tacx neo etc?
That’s up to Wahoo and Tacx. I don’t see how they can retrofit what it would take to be compatible in such a small space and maintain the required strength a direct drive needs. As for future compatibility with new products....I don’t expect that’s a priority. That’s just business.
KICKR CLIMB is the top. The only thing I don't like is that it's compatible only with KLICKR trainers. I don't want to change my top trainer Elite Drivo to have the climb experience
What's Apl du Zwift like riding with the kickr. Just ordered one.🤘
Hard work! 😅
Missing the major selling point entirely - engagement of different muscles due to the different angle the bike is on during climbs and descents - ergo, better training for the real world as you're building muscles (that wouldn't ordinarily be engaged on a trainer) on the trainer that more closely resemble real-world muscle use. At least, that's what they were touting at Eurobike.
I don't think the delay is fixable with firmware alone, especially with the smoothing. There's a radio delay (seems to always be 1-5s with ANT+, I find BLE is lower at least), a delay for the motor to actually move the bike to the target gradient, and then also a delay to smooth out the change (remember the demo at Eurobike didn't do any smoothing).
The only real fix would be for the app (Zwift) to send gradients ahead of what's on screen and allow the trainer to queue adjustments to happen at the correct time for the hardware. Zwift told me they were working on a delay adjustment 2+ years ago but like many things it still hasn't materialised.
I have been advocating for a "Trainer Delay Offset" function from Zwift for over a year. Needs to be "smart" to account for different approach speeds, but this should happen to remedy the resistance and now grade change delays we get from the trainers (and are essentially impossible to eliminate).
For now I think Zwift should just have a simple offset and anything "smart" should be handled by the trainer firmware. That way the communication between Zwift and the hardware can stick to the standard open ANT+/BLE profiles and any extra features should be configured in the Wahoo, Tacx, etc, apps.
Yes, I'd be happy with a simple 2 second (or whatever is a good average) shift in Zwift sending it early. It wouldn't be "perfect", but it would for sure be better.
Hey Shane!
First things first: thanks for all the good stuff!
Might be a silly question: that Thule-desk in your videos...do you know the model of that? I tried to find something like that everywhere and found nothing. Would be great!
Cheers from Switzerland and have a good one mate
Cheers. It's a Wahoo Kickr desk with a few Thule stickers on it so my optical mouse will work. th-cam.com/video/eHLHnhiw3kk/w-d-xo.html
Shane Miller - GPLama Thank you so much...seems like I could have searched the keywords "Thule desk" for ages :D
@Shane - does the Zwift Trainer Difficultly setting impact the Climb? For example, if you have he Trainer Difficultly setting at 50%, will he Climb simulate half of the in-game gradient?
Yes
Hi Shane, I am coming to this a year later, so did they sort out the lag between Zwift and the climb so there is no delay in the end? Also, have there been any changes regarding ERG mode please? Thanks for the great review as always :)
No major updates I'm aware of sorry.
What size adapters ones for a normal road bike with the quick release?
Does this Climb turn easily, such that you can use it with Zwift’s turning feature? Great review and demo video, thanks!
On a hard surface, yes. It wasn't something it was designed for though.
When I stand on the pedals I usually put a lot of pressure on the handlebar, what are the weight limitations of the climber?
I’m not sure off the top of my head. Wahoo should have that in their website.
Do you know if a new version of the climb is coming out this year?
I doubt it.
Since this unit works from data transmitted from the trainer does the trainer difficulty slider in Zwift affect the climb unit??
Stay tuned on this one.... Zwift are still nailing the exact functionality with this.
You were talking about two settings on the Wahoo Fitness app. (timer 10:30), One was type of bike (axle height), the other you talked about (wheel base), which I don't know other than my height.Can you tell me what setting you were using as I will be using a road bike as well. My climb is coming in August.
KWC by now I am sure you’ve figured it out. The wheelbase is the distance between the front and rear axle. The unit needs that to calculate the height once it receives the grade info. Some bikes are longer than others.
With your collection of trainers, will you be trying other trainers and options with the Kickr Climb? I do hope so
Kickr17 and SNAP17 (the 2nd gen SNAP) are the only trainers to support this as of now (Feb 2018).
Until Wahoo figures out an adapter kit for my Kickr2 this is useless... Plus, I can't see it making much difference in riding, NOT like a rocker plate would... just IMHO. Good review as usual!
Shane Miller - GPLama what are the limitations on using other trainers? The way it pairs directly with the kickr17? So it can't physically pair with a kickr2, plus there's the clearance issue?
Shane I.just checked out a vid on.fit rocker plates, you going to knock a set up with your diy skills ut should be a breeze. Eagerly waiting.
A lot of people are asking about them. I was going to give them a wide berth. I'm here for the people... so stay tuned! ;)
Does it work/pair with other than Wahoo trainers (from Tacx or Elite)?
No
Thanks for a great video [as usual]. Possible to get the shipping box size and weight? I'd have to carry one back to India from the US.
12.3kgs. 30x18x8 inches.
Wow, that was fast. Thanks so much.
They should have put some road feel into it, that would have been fun
And steering in Zwift.
@16:20 it looks like you're well into the steep downhill (negative 13-14%), but the Climb still isn't down as far as it should be? If it's max is -10% ish, shouldn't it be bottomed out there?
The Zwift interaction is a work in progress... stay tuned for exactly what it does vs what's on screen with upcoming releases from Zwift.
That’s an interesting one - in the fe-c gradient data coming from zwift - down gradient values are exactly -0.5 * the up gradient values. Perhaps because the resistance drop off was too severe on the way down when it was 1 to 1. But it needs to be 1 to 1 for the Climb otherwise it would never level back out.
That... makes a lot of sense to what I've felt actually. Always wondered why I could still push downhill so hard in Zwift compared to usually being totally spun out somewhere between 30-40mph IRL. I figured it was just flywheel inertia vs the real thing or whatever. But the fact that during ERG mode or calibrations I could get spun out confused me then.
I feel like they should change that anyways then, but I can see how that'd throw a wrench into things. For one, getting the 100kph achievement would be more difficult (unless turning the trainer difficulty to 0 just causes you to get 0% gradient when going downhill too???), and it would mess with racing times since descending certain slopes would cause more people to be spun out.
hngldr yes, trainer difficulty is a multiplier of 0 to 1.0 * the up AND the down, so 0 is no down slope which gives racers the same advantage that non-interactive trainer users get - MORE resistance going down and less likely to spin out, so more power.
you proberly get this question a million times but im looking for the best high end trainer where noice level is a concern, what would you recommend?
At this point in time, that'd be the Tacx Neo.
Do you recommend using that setup with a carbon frame Shane?
Sure. I don't see any problems with this.
Really like your videos and man you are powerful!
i dont have the money so its not really an issue for me, but i was kinda dissappointed in seeing the speed at which it went up and down. Whats the max gradient it goes up to? It didnt look that steep.
Shane how well would the KICKR Climb work on a rocker plate? Would it be stable enough?
Should be ok.
All that's needed after this is some kind of oculus zwift VR!
Already done.... th-cam.com/video/a3IXQeWis5k/w-d-xo.html
Also, I did not realise knife throwing was one of your talents...
In your honest opinion, which has more training benefit? Tacx NEO road feel or the Kickr Climb?
Radom pop quiz answer - The Climb. But it comes down to how you use either and for what benefit.
How are you using two televisions in your setup? Is there another bike that was pulled out of view for this video, or are you using two screens for one Zwift experience?
Two screens into one PC. I also have a splitter that allows me to run a different system on the 2nd screen if I need (Apple TV, another PC, etc)