Ⓕ Best Way For Gluing Wood Together To Get Thick Pieces (ep86)
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 มี.ค. 2018
- More information in the website article - nickferry.com/2018/03/best-wa...
including links to the wood clamps
Sometimes you need to glue boards together to make up thicker stock for table legs, furniture making & turning projects. This is the best way for gluing wood together to get thicker boards. Super simple but effective way to keep all the wood aligned while clamping just by using a parallel clamp and some f style clamps. I find this method a lot easier than using cauls, salt or nails.
Rich's Channel - goo.gl/FYYs7
MORE THAN TH-cam? - Don't miss out! Newsletter sign-up - nickferry.com/signup-for-nick...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Interested in the tools I use to make my projects?
Check out MY TOOLS PAGE - nickferry.com/my-tools-equipm...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My Table Saw Sled:
Article/Video - nickferry.com/2015/07/table-s...
Plans - nickferry.com/product/table-s...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Support the content I make on Patreon -
/ nickferry
or you can check me out on:
My website
www.NickFerry.com
Facebook
/ 398924350249360
Google+
plus.google.com/u/0/101493219...
Instagram
/ nickferrybuilds
#wood #woodworking #woodworkingprojects #woodshop #workshop
Mailing Address:
2221 S Webster Ave.
#119
Green Bay, WI 54301 - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
a lot more woodworking articles, info and plans here - nickferry.com/ - and the article for this video with tool list here - nickferry.com/2018/03/best-way-for-gluing-wood-together-to-get-thick-pieces-ep86/
Amk gabbe Nike
Router gig to flatten plank of wood with twist
Nick Ferry just fyi chemically silica sand, like sand blasting sand, would be better than salt because its inert and salt is a polar molecule that reacts with water.
texasfossilguy water itself is polar and pva glue is water soluble - I personally wouldn't want to use silica sand as to not have a physical separation between the wood pieces to be joined
Dominick612
How many clamps does a woodworker need? Answer: one more than he's got
Exactly!
Amen to that!!
You can never have enough clamps!
Ron Tocknell haha yep, you should see how many clamps are needed when doing a stringer for a geometric staircase... ALOT!
Ron Tocknell I have exactly 220 pieces. Still not enough. Guess you’re right. I need one more.
Man, this is probably one of the biggest things I love about woodworking....I never stop learning. Nice tip Nick. Keep up the great vids.
I agree 100% - finding new ways is one of the best parts!
Yeah: spreading glue with foam rubber rollers ! WHATEVER will they think of next ?
Why do we glue wood together?
Why do we breathe oxygen? 🧐
Well done Nick! It’s the little things that craftsmen know among themselves but aren’t always shared or spoken about. Thanks again Sam
thanks - I'm glad Rich pointed it out because I wouldn't have thought to even show it
Excellent tip. Will come in handy. Thanks Nick.
Glad you found it useful!
Amazing use for my sole parallel clamp. Great tip Nick! First time seeing it.
It is - but of course now you need more parallel clamps
Nick Ferry : parallel clamps are expensive; I use scrap wood as cauls and wax paper.
another great way of doing it - for me this has been quicker - and try packing tape on cauls instead of wax paper - makes positioning a breeze
@LARPin’ 4 the LORD Order them online.
@LARPin’ 4 the LORD I got a similar deal from Home Depot earlier this year on a set of four KRE REVOlution K-Body clamps: two 24" and two 50". Amazing price. You have to wait and watch for discounts to come along. I'll bet we'll see some sales once we come out of our isolation later this year. I've had some Bessey parallel clamps for over a decade, and these new ones are far better. Parallel clamps do what others can't. Nick has shown us a creative use for them!
Thanks Nick! As someone just trying to start out with woodworking, NOTHING is too obvious 🤣 Looking forward to seeing more of your channel 👍
Randomly landed on one of your videos and now going through more. These are really well made and easy to follow. They're great!
thanks man - glad to have you here
If lots know about it, it's not as important as the one who shares it. You just made many more productive and better makers.
Thank You and keep up the great work.
Nicely put - thanks much!
No problem!
I am 75 years young. Have been doing wood working for, at least, 60 years. Part of the joy of working with God’s created products is applying the abilities He has given me in learning some new aspect of this fun hobby. Your video has thought me a very simple gluing trick. Thanks. Glen in Lufkin, Texas.
thanks Glen - every day something can be learned
I am thankful. As I have never seen this process before. When you share knowledge such as this, we can all benefit . I have a tavern table I want to build, and utilizing this clamp up method will ensure as much accuracy well before the final sizing of the wood for the legs. It is the simple things that enrich our skills. I appreciate this video Nick.
that's great - glad Rich convinced me to share it then!
Hi, I was doing exactly that today and found your video just before i started. It worked perfectly. Such a simple Idea, well done
Perfect - that’s great you tried it out and you like it!
If you don't have a parallel clamp you can just use regular clamps with 2 flat wood pieces instead ! great tip thanks for sharing !
This. The wood pieces allow more movement when the actual clamping gets done.
Also instead of one parallel clamp that walks down the join, I just put two on. One each end.
That iswhat ihave done in the past, especially for longer or wider clamping, but realized if I do small parts and then with dowels and clamp finished product I get better results.
Calls right?
Hey Nick, I've been using that technique for a while. The only thing I worry about is clamping the aligning clamping to tight that it restricts the other clamping. Yes it does work well. Makes me start to feel like I'm starting to have confidence when I see things I'm doing that others are not. I still have a long way to go. Thanks. P.S. still waiting on the 2nd half of the Valentine box. My wife's getting impatient.
Thanks - the "squeeze" clamp always overpowers the "alignment" clamp - didn't forget about the box - hope to be back on it soon
Dean Kramasz rosaruirosary
Dean Kramasz ii
This is a great technique! I don’t think I’ve seen this on TH-cam before. I do it like this also, using calls and clamps, and I usually glue up all 4 legs at the same time. Saves time and the number of clamps needed!
Great tip Nick. Your videos are always so useful; I really appreciate them. Keep 'em coming!
thanks much man!
After 40 years of experience, 25 pro you learn to not use sooooooo much glue. Squeeze out is excess glue, do your best to minimize it. Squeeze out is an indicator of plenty of glue but it should simply bubble, slightly, out at the joint line, dripping is way too much and too much trouble to remove. Excess glue is wasteful and further causes slippage when clamping.
Do not use excess glue to fill a gap, add more clamping pressure. Clamping pressure will not starve a joint, contrary to what many think. A thin glue line is a strong glue line/joint.
Try to never glue up stock that is cut to finished width or length.
Lay your clamps on your work surface so that the bars are parallel to the work surface. Lay the pieces to be glued on top of the clamp bars. Let gravity help to keep pieces aligned. You can tweak a little after clamping if there is any slippage. With there proper amount of glue there will be minimal if any slippage.
I appreciate the feedback - I’ve used varying amounts of glue over the years and always came back to preferring to use too much over too little (at least where laminations are concerned) - basically I’d rather have a bit to clean up than risk a void or dry spot
as for the work surface clamping option - I’ve used this clamping method on pieces as long as 22 feet - hard to find a table that long to work from - also, in theater builds I often have to glue up curved handrails and this method is ideal for that as well
Typically I do make my glue ups thicker, wider and longer than finished dimension, as I did in this case - this method merely keeps tolerances tighter cutting down on waste, planing/milling time - in the case of exotics and figured woods, this can be extremely beneficial
I also agree wholeheartedly that glue is not to used to fill gaps - aside from sprung joints, clamping pressure on a panel glueup should be minimal - if it doesn’t come together properly dry, glue and clamps is not the solution and the joint should be reworked
In summation, yes there’s always more than one way to do things - I tend to lean to this method because it’s quick and suitable for a wide array of applications and for me and my experiences the pros outweigh the cons ten fold
Nick Ferry bam! Nicely said, Nick. Lol, also, I could see the huge benefit here to be when doing glue ups over say, 10 feet. Where you are much less likely to mill the width after glue up as running a dozen or more linear feet through a table or band saw is cumbersome to say the least. Great tip and I will be using this method for large future projects. By the way, I’ve never noticed a comment by a person with 40 years experience in woodworking leave a positive comment on a how-to video on TH-cam. I often wonder why they watch how to videos instead of just make them.... Anyway, keep up the great videos man! -Art
@@artiet5982 I’m glad that people are willing to share their experience, and I don’t think Leon’s comment is negative. Yours is.
M M thanks for the input. I was probably in a bad mood that day.
Leon Bridges Yep I agree makes a lot of sense and well explained. Thanks
thanks for the awesome tip..."Oh honey I need to run to Lowes and buy a parallel clamp...lol!"
Tell her you're going out for eggs and bread
Wow, another way to do a glue up. Good instruction and I subscribed just because of your enthusiasm.
well thank you...I mean, thank YOU!!!!
Tried this today . . . AWESOME! Thanks so much for the tip!
So awesome to hear - probably the best thing about these videos is hearing people trying it out and liking it!
That’s a pretty good tip. Good to have in the back pocket of tricks.
thanks Chad - it sure is
Back pocket? This one's going in the small notebook I keep in the shirt pocket! ;) lol
I was thinking add two pieces of scrap wood clamped to either end, but the parallel clamp makes that unnecessary. Huh.
And I see what I'm thinking of is an old idea called a caul. Nothing is ever new, lol.
I'll admit, I was a slippery brad nailer person until now. Great tip!
Thanks - let me know how this works out for you
Slippery Nailer just so happens to be my gay porn stage name!
This video has come up recommended, many times. I've skipped over it, but I also never got to see any other of your videos. Now that I have, glad I did. Subbed.
Great - glad to have you here!
I’m really enjoying your new videos,
keep it up! You content is Valuable!!
Thanks a bunch - just trying to do whatever
Nice video Nick! Thanks for sharing it with us .😎👍JP
As always, thanks for checking it out!
You're very welcome Nick! 😎
Great idea and excellent explanation/demonstration. Extra points for the brayer glue spreader.
Thanks - they do work slick
Thanks buddy and i learned something about woodworking that i am very loved. Carpentry works is the source on how i feed my first child and support my family.
Thanks Nick. Just ordered a pair of parallel clamps. Never seen it, but because of you, Rich and this community, we don’t have to fumble around anymore. Great tip. 😎
Thanks - let me know how you like it when you try it
I've never seen this method before, the parallel clamp usage is a brilliant idea! Thanks for sharing :-)
I dont have any parallel clamps but i do the same thing i would on bigger glue ups i use cauls just for allignment like that then right away remove em for clamping other side for even pressure and to clean up
Sweet - good way of doing it too!
Aye, You're basically using the parallel clamp as a temporary caul. Another big thing is working from one end to the other as opposed to ends first. I think it's great to share stuff like this as not everyone thinks of it.
Cauls can be custom made to fit a glue-up or assembly job. There are plenty of articles and images on the web. I also keep cauls from sticking to the assembly with plastic wrap. Just enough to fit between the caul and the wood plus an inch or two on each side.
Ferndalien or packing tape works good as well
If you don't have parallel clamps, try a straight piece of scrap and normal clamps to distribute the pressure over the whole edge.
Nice technique. One thing to consider is to simply use two K clamps (the parallel clamps) on both ends and just clamp in between with smaller clamps. That way, you can speed things up just a bit, especially if the wood to be laminated are dimensionally identical. No need to continually clamp and unclamp the one parallel clamp going down the length of the wood. Also, if you are not going to be doing a lot of additional dimensional work on the laminated piece, you can drop 3 small dowels/dominos/or biscuits into each piece. This will also allow for glue-ups with near perfect alignment. I know a lot of people do this more for tabletop glue ups, but they can work well with leg glue-ups as well, but the key is to avoid much more additional dimensioning or you might have the alignment dowels/dominos/biscuits show in the final product. Although that might be cool if you intentionally wish to show the internal joinery.
This is a great technique, thanks for sharing.
thank you! I'm always looking for tips like this to improve my skills and quality of work!
you and I both - thanks man!
Final little comment on glue-ups, for larger pieces:
-it's not necessary to do all pieces at one time, so, do them in sets your clamps can handle
-for the final gluing, align your sets against a straight edge, and on a flat surface; it's best if the flat surface is finished or metal (so glue doesn't stick too much)
-lay weights over the joints to keep them under some pressure; I've used cans of paint, heavy tools, whatever is handy
-for lateral force, I use a bottle jack and a couple of 2 x 4's. Remember you're not smoking it down, just even pressure, so the butt of the jack just needs a solid place to rest.
Sorry to do all this with words, a picture would be much easier. It's really pretty simple.
-
Always done this - thanks to my high school shop teacher who taught me a ton. Also - Clamps apply pressure roughly 40-60 degrees from the pressure point so it’s much more efficient to use cauls to thicken the assembly. If the thing is 2” thick like your glue-up you really need a clamp every 2-3” to have even clamping pressure. But add a 2” caul to both sides - voilà a clamp every 6-9” would do the same job. I’m hedging because it depends on the type of clamp used- but you get the idea - use cauls. F and C clamps are the worst bc the pressure point is so small.
good rule of thumb for sure but ultimately clamping pressure force angle is dependent on beam strength of whatever is next to the clamp pad - the more dispersion of force by a caul in many cases is good, it also lessens the actual clamping pressure to an overall surface when dispersed - so either cauls with high pressure clamps or omit the cauls and add more lesser pressure clamps
Useful tip. Nice demonstration. And goes to show that no matter how long you've been doing something, somebody can come along and figure out a better/easier/faster way of doing something. Thanks.
Yup - always a good thing to remember
I’ve been a wood shop teacher for 36 years. Nice tip. Simple and does the trick. Thanks for sharing.
Very cool - glad you liked it - and sounds like you've seen a couple things before!
4:20 - years later, it was actually determined to be the biggest glue-up in the history of woodworking #historymade
Hahaha - I want a trophy then! 🏆
check it with CC before making comments about what someone said.
He said, "This isn't necessarily the biggest glue up in the history of woodworking."
Kinda felt like I watching a cooking show
Maple and glue cake!
Yes! I was watching this and said that same thing to my wife! 😂
Yes. Where's the little bowls of glue to mix in with the wood chips though??
Without any formal training, everything we do in the shop is trial and error. Any info that someone, such as yourself, can give is very useful. Keep up the good work.
well put - the learning and mistakes is just part of the fun
Nice work. I discovered this technique after struggling through several glue-ups. It takes the stress out of it and produces a great result when the clamps come off. I’m glad you shared this. Take care.
Thanks - you take care as well!
Nick: This technique (seems to me) only works if every board is the exact same width. If the boards are slightly off, then I cannot see it working well. The parallel clamp would only touch the widest board.
In that case you wouldn't need to be so exact in the first place - if they slid a little it'd be no big deal
Correct. I end up just aligning one common edge. Glue them up and then hand plane the uneven edge down to dimension. Seems to work. Can't say enough about parallel clamps. Glue ups became a pleasure after I got a set.
The parallel clamp would only touch the widest board, but it would still limit the amount that the narrower boards could slide - which is the intent of the solution.
Nick, truly seems like a great idea. Sometimes it isn’t the earth shattering discoveries that mean as much as the simple ideas that make routine tasks easier. Thanks for the ideas...
You could put wedges or shims for the less wide pieces so that they will all stay close
“Starvation of glue.” That’s a new way to put it. 😆
Always a new way to slice it
Absolutely briliant. So simple yet so effective.
Thanks man, sure is
Very cool technique, thanks for sharing
No problem - thanks
So help me god .. if he pulls out a domino I'm gonna smash this cup against his .... ohh .. that's cool
now that's funny!!!
I have a domino, this comment is hilarious!!!
wforl was 2
That literally made me laugh out loud 😎
LOL
I'm a qualified wood machinist amougst other things. I'll start with I agree that you can't have to much glue, but you can have not enough.
The way I would do it, you don't need to worry about the timber slipping and I would do all 4 legs laminated in one hit.
Say on the lengths of timber you are using, I would lay approx 6 X 900mm sash clamps down. Put all of your glued timbers in. All 4 legs, as they will stay separate without glue between legs. Then lay your other sash clamps on top between your underneath clamps. Then start to tighten each Clamp randomly top and bottom clamps until they bite. And then go over them all again when your happy where they are sitting and do them up nice n tight. All 4 legs done, no hassles.
(And that's without talking about woodgrain directions into the laminating situation.)
I believe I'd have my 4 legs glued and straight while your still lining your timbers up with your lining up clamp and clamping your 2nd leg together. I don't mean to sound rude. It's just the way it is 😜🤔🤣
very well could - always cool hearing how others accomplish the same task differently
Nick Ferry your welcome, I hope it came across clear.
Cheers.
Melbourne, Australia
clear enough for discussion - I see you said you're from Australia, do you have any HNT Gordon tools? I got one of their planes about a year ago and it is top notch
Wow, good for you. First time I've seen it and what a simple solution that works well. Great tip Nick.
thanks - glad you could pick up a new technique
Hi Nick, I just wanted to thank you for all of your videos I am brand new to woodworking and I mean new, my shop is being built and I am in process of gathering my tools. I am a retired nurse I own a small farm in Idaho, and I have been watching as many videos as I can. Your videos have helped me so much, thank you Chris
I appreciate you saying that - you are more than welcome and I’m lucky to be a part of your journey
Not trying to be a jerk, but couldn’t you just do it on both ends and call it good or do you have to work your way down? Great technique though that I will begin using in the future
This way you can correct bent or warped boards too
If you got a bad enough bent/wrap, the boards may start sliding as soon as you remove the "side" clamp. It happened to me once, but to be fair it was 12 feets long 4'' by 8'', and I surely did not have enough and strong enough clamps for the job. A bit of sand did help there.
robert winton - exactly
I usually use a "glue-buck" (like a sawing horse), and I never remove the correcting clamps until a need them another place. Also, regular F-clamps combined with pieces of scrap wood with a piece of adhesive tape works just as good as parallell clamps.
For big glue-ups putting straight boards on the side while glueing can straighten up the pieces and heavily reduce the number of clamps you need.
You should have flattened and jointed your wood before gluing up. If you need clamps to bend wood to bring them into alignment while gluing up - your legs will have a lot of movement down the road due to stress. That wood will want to 'spring' back to where it was before you forced them into alignment with the clamps. Golden rule of woodworking. In our shop we always cut the wood a bit longer to allow for a pin on each end, that will be cut off before the exact sizing of the wood takes place. I believe I even heard you state that your pieces were a bit longer than needed. By the way, this is constructive advice only - not malicious criticism. Love your channel, enjoy watching your videos! mike
Must be an American thing not knowing about that "tip".
Precisely - it's a complete skill to get born somewhere else - I'm glad you had the foresight as an embryo to choose which geographical region of the planet to be birthed in
LOL. PLAY NICE KIDDIES..
Nick I'm new here Thanks for the heart, now go make some sawdust and get off the internet. :-)
PatCat no not an American thing just novices who think by watching TH-cam they can be master carpenters. I love watching these hacks point out the obvious. Notice he talked about his friend who for ten years professionally and ten years before that worked with wood but never saw this. I'm laughing so hard, I'm glad I stumbled onto this video. Then his comment about making sure the glue doesn't touch the one edge as though the thought of wiping it off with a damp rag or sponge never occurred to him. 😂😂
must be an European thing being such a bigot.
I've been doing this since I started woodworking BUT the SALT tip is what I really needed! Thanks.
So simple and yet so effective! Thanks for this man!
No problem
Genius ! Great Idea with the Parallel clamp - I've seen hundred of laminated workbench
videos and everyone just uses clamps across thickness then planes,sands or runs thru
a thickness Planer not worrying to much about being square across top & bottom of
workpiece! After 100's of videos I chose your Joinery Method ( Garden Bench build) for
my workbench & your way of Clamping Up the Workpiece ! Thanks So Much Nick !! : )
Very cool - glad you were able to put the two videos together to come up with a bench!
I haven’t seen it done quite like this, but the amazing thing was that I was actually thinking about how to glue up some legs today and this video popped up in my email!Talk about your perfect timing! Thanks for the video Nick
Perfect timing - I rarely get that one so I'll take it!
Awesome tip which I will be using on my projects! Thank Nick
My pleasure - it’s a time saver
Brilliantly simple. Thank you for showing this.
thanks - glad you liked it!
This was great. I am getting ready to do a project with some glue ups and I was curious on how to get the legs right. Very helpful. I need more clamps!
Thank-you. I was pondering how to glue some together. The parallel clamp use is new for me.
Again, thanks.
No problem, glad I could help - parallel clamps are definitely an investment and they’re not the most versatile but when they do come in to play they’re rather useful - for smaller stuff check out parallel jaw pliers
Thanks Nick! I’m pretty new to woodworking and never thought about this nor have I ever seen anyone else do it.
perfect - then it helped in some way
Thank you for sharing this useful tips
The man is a genius... nice one dear sir. Simple but effective, very nice, thank you.
thanks Steve - I'm glad my buddy convinced me to share it!
THANKS. I am actually just getting into wood working and was looking into how to build up wooden structures... and this randomly showed up. your channel looks amazing!
thanks much - happy woodworking!
Nice, been doing this from beginning , just seems practical as long as all boards same width.
I tried this method of gluing up the fence pieces for your table saw sled plans today and it works AMAZING!!! I can't believe I never thought of gluing up pieces this way. I've tried all the other tricks but this works the best of all and is so easy. Thank you for sharing this tip!
That’s awesome - it’s these little things we pick up along the way - when we understand that, we appreciate the old timers that have been doing this forever and a day
GREAT Tip. Thank you. And your friend was right. Thanks to him also.
Nice technique, thank you.
Thank you!
Wow man thanks for showing this, share and your time. Very appreciated and helpful.
no problem - glad you could get something from it
Great technique Nick! 👍👊
Thanks much buddy!
Wow! Why didn’t I ever think of this. That’s really a good tip. Thanks Nick.
Thanks for checking it out!
I've always used salt... This is really cool and so simple thanks for sharing...
Very nice tip Nick. I’ve actually used this technique for a couple years now and it works perfectly. You never cease to make me laugh! Great job.
Thanks Drew - you know me, always messing around
Every day is a school day!! I love learning new things? Great vid. Thanks.
Much appreciated - I agree!
FANTASTIC tip Nick.
Thanks - glad you liked it!
Thanks very much. I'm a beginner and this helps me a lot.
👍👏👏👏
I’m glad I could help
I am doing so many glue ups this week and this really helped me out with a pretty warped board. Thanks Nick
Awesome - glad you could pick up some ideas!
Nice little demonstration. Everything is new to somebody!
Exactly - thanks
Thanks for the tip Nick. Good to see you posting again.
Thanks Russ!
Great idea ,excellent video thanks for sharing
not a problem - glad you liked it!
Your friend is right, I have never seen this! Awesome! Thank you. Time to get a set of parallel clamps.
Perfect - glad you could pick up a new technique
Great clamping tips, thank-you.
No problem, glad you liked it
Fantastic, love the idea !
Thanks for sharing Nick.
No problem Dennis - glad you liked it
Top-notch tip, thanks for sharing!
Thanks much - glad you liked it
well done,made it look so easy.
thanks - it is pretty straight forward
Great tip. Thanks for sharing.
thanks for checking it out!
Oh, that’s awesome. What a great idea. Thanks!
Great tip. Thanks much.
Great stuff Nick. Looking forward to the build.
Thanks Greg!
Simply awesome tip Nick!!! I always enjoy your vlogs!!! Best always!!!
Thanks much!
Simple, but great. Thanks
Thank you!
Very good idea, I used it for the first time last night and it really works well. I can see why it blew his mind, i had never thought of it in that scenario.
That’s great - I know a few have seen this before but comments like this make me glad I did the video
Been a hobbyist woodworker for 20 yrs and this is the first I've seen this technique. Thanks for sharing Nick. I've used cauls for panels, this is the same principle for legs on a smaller scale.
Yup yup - glad that hear you liked it
Great idea thanks for sharing.
Great glue up tip! Thanks Rich and Nick of course!
thanks for checking it out
Very helpful. Thanks
Expletively good, thanks for sharing. I did something similar but yours is way better.
Awesome - glad you dug it!
Good one Nick! Always love those simple tips that can help out. Even know you may know the tip you may have forgotten it. So it always good to throw it out there. Thank Bro.
much appreciated buddy - I agree
This tip came from heaven. Tomorrow I have a big glue up and this will help pretty much. Just subscribed. Cheers from Australia.
awesome - for once my timing is impeccable - glad to have you here!
Never seen it before, but it makes so much sense. Thanks for sharing, Nick!
no problem Dom - glad you liked it!
Thanks for posting this. I want to make some simple side tables but I have not laminated table legs yet. Your video gives me some guidance to give it a shot.
Great technique! Thanks for posting this video!
👊