Which Wood Glue is Best? Let's find out! Showdown with Titebond, Flex Glue, Elmer's & Gorilla.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ม.ค. 2020
- Wood glue comparison showdown comparing Titebond Original, Titebond II, Titebond III, Elmer's Carpenter's Wood Glue, Elmer's Wood Glue MAX, Elmer's All Purpose (Craft), Gorilla Wood Glue, and Flex Glue. Tensile and shear load testing, including performance following continuous water exposure. I bought all of the wood glues tested to ensure an unbiased review. Hope this review helps you pick the wood glue that's best for your projects.
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Thanks for requesting this one and please let me know if there are other brands you'd like tested in the future. Here are the brands tested. Thanks again, Todd
Products Tested In This Video (in no particular order):
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Titebond III: amzn.to/2QezTpB
Elmer's Wood Glue Max: amzn.to/3gk0sUT
Elmer's Craft Glue: amzn.to/32ey5T1
Elmer's Original Wood Glue: amzn.to/3aMhLwF
Gorilla Wood Glue: amzn.to/3hkLdfU
Flex Glue: amzn.to/3l1vtkd
There is an ad on here for a product called Bondic, a u.v. Activated bonding plastic weld glue, it claims to be 50 times stronger bond than anything on the market.. LETS TEST THAT!
How about a review of driveway sealing products?
I would have loved to see liquid nail in with this lineup
I would have liked to see Liquid Nailz, Liquid Nailz Heavy Duty, and Locktite adhesive tested also. It'd be nice to see how they fair against the glues & It'd be great to see if they perform as good as [or better] than the Flex-Seal/glue that was used in this video.
Thanks & thumbs-up 👍😎👍
@@jr1001jr I found where he done a test of construction adhesive. Pretty disappointed in liquid nail now lol
I am a professional carpenter and so I have to add: Titebond smells the best, but Elmers Craft glue tastes the best ;)
Taste is all that matters when the afternoon tummy rumblings come around
Elmers glue taste better with cereal - Ralph Wiggum
Why in the fuck u tasting mfkn woodglue
I love you
Did you do the inhaling taste as well?
“Compressed air did a great job removing saw dust” which brand of air?
this had me laughing
Funny as hell, i demand a showdown!!
Let's test this! LMAO
I believe he went with "mountain breeze" but we all know that basically every brand of air you can buy is just rebranded Nestle air
Today we’ll be testing air from various locations in the USA and see how effective they are in removing saw dust.
Next week:
Does Chinese air clear up your saw dust better than American air.
If only one single politician were as fair, diligent, hard worker and crystal clear explaining the way you do. You are making the world a better place. Please, never stop.
As a chemical engineer who worked with the formulators and chemists at Franklin International(makers of Titebond), they use the best materials on the market and their R/D is up there with other Fortune 500 companies I worked with. Glad to see it holds up in the field haha I need some for a shop table
Thanks for sharing.
Bill Banksey (I think that's how you spell his last name)
Bill was one of, if not, the lead chemist at Franklin.
If I ever had a question posed by an "anal retentive woodworker" about the chemical componentry or science about adhesives - Bill would let me call him at Franklin and I'd pass the phone to the customer.
Bill would keep the guy on the phone going through "the science" all right 😅. Over my 20 year career in the industry Bill and the company he worked for are the clear winners and always will be.
For some reason Titebond and Elmer’s are from the same town.
Pretty sure most of these wood glues would be stronger than the wood with a proper glue joint.
Unfortunately this youtuber didn't test any proper glue joints... wood glue is only stronger than wood on long grain joints. End grain joints or cross grain joints require jointery. In the form of a mortise and tennon, dowels, a domino jointer, etc.
@@brandonhoffman4712 I agree, I would never glue a telephone pole buy it's end grain and expect ultimate performance lol Good test otherwise though
Project farm in a nutshell
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Thank you Sir!
Thank you!! I'm definitely trying hard to help bring valuable videos to those that watch the channel to help save them time and money.
@@ProjectFarm It definitely shows!
@@ProjectFarm we highly appreciate them as well.....true testing similar to what consumer reports used to be. Looking forward to new ones!
Thanks for your video, I watch all of them and have saved money. Keep up the great work!
very accurate
"Elmers just about DESTROYED my crane scale!"
[Patches chain with duct tape before proceeding....]
lol. Thank you!
When the black duct tape comes out, you know he's not playin' around anymore.
😁😁😁
Luckily we already know which duct tape is the best for the job. 😎
I thought all he was doing was covering the gap in the hook so that the scale would be far less inclined to fly off when it pops.
Gorilla glue also works great as hair gel. So it should get bonus points for that.
lol... yeah, that worked out well.
Yeah forsure. I do use that sometimes as well
ROFLMAO!!! Good one!!!
Is that why so many carpenters are bald?
Only the aerosol though!
This was a really great test - confirmed some of my suspicions about the strength of various wood glues. However, as an idea for a followup video... All of the glue joints tested in this video involved glue on end grain. This is a woodworking no-no (but we all do it, sometimes). When we apply glue to end grain, we never get the strongest joints. Conventional wisdom says it is because the end grain wicks most of the moisture out of the glue before it can properly cure - thus making the glue itself weaker than the wood it adheres to. I'm not sure if that is the reason, but end-grain joints are definitely weaker.
Now that you've established which glues are stronger than than others, it would be really fun re-run the experiments with edge-grain to edge-grain joints. According to the claims of most wood glue manufacturers, the wood should fail before the glue does. It would be interesting to see how true that statement is. It would also be interesting to find out just how much stronger ideal woodworking joints are.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
If the wood fails first, you aren't learning the strength of the glue - you are learning the strength of the wood.
@@TheThomure If the wood fails first, you're using a good enough glue. :)
@@SteveMasonCanada that is very much true
@@TheThomure End grain to end grain, use PL3K or a lap joint.
I was half expecting to see you test how the lawn mower engine ran on each glue. >:)
lol. I should have done that! A briggs would probably purr like a kitten on wood glue
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Today we're going to compare Amazon Synthetic Oil vs Titebond 3.
Oh boy, I'm Glued to this episode. I hope others stick around.
lol. Nice!
@@ProjectFarm He really applied that one didnt he?
booooooooooo
oh man, that joke is tacky
Ouch that was bad. Ha!!!!
Another nice thing about Tibebond 3 is the longer open time, for more complex glue ups, and the fact you can use it in lower temp situations, like a cold shop. Nice test.
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
You took the words right out of my mouth! You failed to mention that clamping time is only about 45 minutes.
This is actually the most important aspect to me as I live in Arizona where its hot and dry. Some days it is near impossible to spread out the glue one two small board edges and get them mated together before the glue starts to skin over. That is why I use TB3. However, this testing was interesting and I'm glad to see it is also the strongest (although pretty much any glue is strong enough for woodworking).
I also like that Titebond doesn't glue the cap shut after the first use, unlike Elmer's
Titebond 3 is pretty much all I use. I've heard too many horror stories about people's furniture falling apart due to flooding or fire srinklers... Plus my woodwork often ventures outside, making planters right now.
I want to say this channel is not just a channel. You offer amazing value and a public service.
The ability to see products and decide what you want is invaluable.
Thank you so much.
You are welcome!
This morning I received a delivery from Amazon with Vibratite thread lock, Evaporust, and JB Weld epoxy, all products you’ve tested to which my wife replied “I’m going to write to that farm guy you’ve been watching and ask him to block you from watching his videos”. ☹️. When I showed her the glue test results she responded in relief saying “thank goodness” knowing that I’ve been using Titebond II for over 30 yrs and Titebond III since it was released and always have a gallon of each in the workshop. Many years ago I was using the more expensive and messy West System epoxy for exterior work until Titebond II and III was released. I’ll use Titebond II because it sets faster and reduces my clamping time. Keep up the good work and please ignore any comments from my well meaning wife.
lol. Thank you very much! Titebond II is an A+++ product!
Heck, just do what I did and get rid of the wife, problem solved! 😊 😉
Just kidding...... I don't have a wife!
@@BruceLortzHI damn Bruce, your a genius!
Sounds just like my wife.😂
As a cabinet installer and finish carpenter, I really appreciate this test.
We use Titebond II. I'm honestly shocked by the strength of all these glues.
No kidding, the Elmar’s craft glue was the biggest surprise in how well it performed. Also, was glad to see what a waste of money flex glue was, highest price, worst performer.
@@jamesl9686 yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not intended for this application at all, but good to see
@@SnowManson Yeah, I think all the Flex branded products are junk. I picked up a can of the black Flex Seal when it was only available from mail order just to try it. Yeah, absolute garbage. It didn't even stick onto wood for 6 months before most of it just weathered away .
@@jamesl9686 Their Flex Seal spray is crap as well. Tested some at my house and it didn't last 6 months in the weather.
Kevin Snow marketing the Flex brand does a lot of marketing I laugh at it but others will buy it.
I have spent 20-30 minutes in the wood glue section at the hardware store, andd left more confused. Thank you for laying it out so clearly.
Thank you so much for your time and effort testing these wood glues. Very helpful for my project. Cheers!
Glad it was helpful!
I know I've said it before, but I'll never stop being amazed by the incredible amount of work you put into your videos to help others make the right buying decisions. Thank you!
Thank you very much for the positive feedback! I feel the same way about the amazing videos on your channel. Thanks again!
2 of my absolute favorite “educational” (and extremely entertaining..!!) content channels right here! You 2 are the BEST
I couldn’t agree more. He’s an exceptional gift to our world.
I wholeheartedly agree. Project Farm is the BEST!!! Great job on your videos!!
So I just went to Home Depot to buy wood glue feeling uneasy there wasn't a Project Farm video on which wood glue is best. Came home with Titebond 3 and wouldn't you know it Project Farm made a video about wood glue. Kinda weird feeling but I'm excited that I chose the second best product. Actually my wife did lol. Thanks for your videos, they mean a lot to me!
Nice! Great selection with Titebond 3
Well, you two must have a "titebond". Haha
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@@Jeff-sc1df I hope their song is "Stuck on You" by Lionel Richie. 😂
I was really surprised how well the Elmer's glue did. I always considered them a "kids" glue because we used Elmer's glue in grade school.
One of the interesting things about this test is that all these were end grain joints, which is the weakest way to glue wood. I would love to see a similar test comparing different connection methods. Glued, pocket screws, dry mortise and tenon and glued mortise and tenon.
Thanks for the suggestion.
We did a bunch of different joints in a woodshop experiment over 50 years ago. On any of the joints done properly, and no end to end joints, the wood failed before any of the glues did, including regular old Elmer's. We didn't do any wet testing. The teacher wanted to show us that if we put stuff together correctly, it was strong as hell.
As a woodworker this was very informative and help😢
Thanks! Glad to hear!
I just realized how perfect this channel is. You are the People’s Champion. Doing all the tests so we don’t have to. It’s saving money and also encourages companies to up their game in certain areas. It’s entertaining, informative and educational. Thanks!
Glad to hear!
i don't buy shit now without hitting PF to see if he tested it. i bought a new weed whacker recently and the 1st thing i did was respool it with line he tested. the weedwacker works great and the line he tested, max power twisted i barely use any when trimming my yard.
He is an asset to the free market and an enemy to peddlers!
You make underwriters laboratory look like a small company great video!
My dad built houses for years and used Elmer's wood glue on the subfloor. On the house he was building for himself the backhoe operator put too much dirt instead of gravel and blew out the foundation while I was on the house. The glue held the floor together very well, it made me a believer in Elmer's glue. That was 35 years ago and I'm still here to talk about it.
Wow! Glad the glue held!
Awesome work man thanks for all the time and effort you put in your tests very very well done 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Respect for the amount of effort (the custom jig you welded) and time you put into testing all these glues, thank you!
Thanks and you are welcome!
I’m a 16 year old girl, who does very little woodworking/construction related but I thoroughly enjoy these videos. I really appreciate the amount of time and professionalism you put into these. Keep it up.
Thank you very much!
I have a 4 letter word starting and ending with 't' but I can't remember what it was or why it's in my mind,...
AlucardPawpad ClownWorld this comment have nothing to do with the subject and I love it
I'm blown away of how well most of these glues performed. I had no idea that wood glue would be able to handle weights in the range of thousands of pounds/kilograms! Impressive. Amazing video as always.
Thank you very much! Very impressive strength for sure
Outstanding test. My thanks for continuing to do real world tests that benefit the viewers in determining which products are the best to use. I know these are expensive and time consuming as well. My thanks for helping consumers see the reality of the products being tested and not just advertising made by the companies themselves. Awesome job!!
Thank you!
Thanks for taking the time to do all this. You have really been working hard on all of these tests
You are welcome!
I'm even more impressed with these glues considering all of your tests involved end-grain glue-ups, which are by far the weakest glue joint possible. I'm not sure your test rig could have handled some of these with two faces glued together!
It would be impossible to get good test results without using endgrains. turn the pieces side to side and the test piezes will fail before the glue with any old regular woodglue.
Both of these comments are very important! I was upset that he was gluing endgrain at first, then I thought about where the failure would be if he didn't.
Renax the Many, you are right. In prep for this video, I did some testing and it became a "strongest board" showdown using long grain. The test rig will handle up to 10,000 pounds without a problem.
@@ProjectFarm Would have been worth mentioning in the video, but it's in the comments at least.
Good data for the test is that by gluing the end grain, the glue will have a chance to wick into the grain. Even more so because he used pine. The TBIII should lead the pack in that test since it is the runniest of the bunch. What still amazes me is how strong the joints can still be even with poor fit up (in my experience).
Am I the only one that's amazed that wood glue can hold almost 1000kg in every scenario? That's insane
Thanks for watching.
Have you watched the hot glue video yet? That was the biggest eye opener yet.
I am amazed at how good simple white glue was.
As always - the best DIY testing on TH-cam. Always appreciate the tests - they really help.
Thanks and you are welcome!
It's people like you that help develop enjoyable lives. When I started out wood carving as a teenager, I did so with the intent of making something nice for my grandmother. A small crude figurine of an angel, but in her will, she wished to be buried with it. After that, I started livestreaming Dremel projects, and then became a furniture maker, specializing in desks. Because of my dad died before he could teach me more about carpentry, I had to TH-cam a lot of specifics like voltage differences in power tools, grit on sandpaper, effectiveness of wood glue, etc so the least I could do is take one minute to write out this comment for what clearly took you a long time to do, just to help us out.
Thanks!
Since I started watching your videos, my Home Depot shopping list has changed dramatically.
Thank you. 👍
Nice! Thank you
I just used Titebond III on a table I built, and was extremely impressed. Granted, the only way it'll ever see 5,000 pounds is if my SIL sits on it.
Juice556 assuming you’ve used at least halflap joint, it’s going to be very strong
Great product!
Juice556 , 😂🤣😂
Savage
Just leave the screw in it. It’ll be fine.
Thank you for your test review! I wasn't sure which one to use but you went above and beyond to what I was expecting. Very helpful video indeed 👍
Thanks and you are welcome!
I would like to thank you so much for making this amazing video and taking the time testing out these glues. Impressive results.
Thank you!
When I'm at HD, I always pull up TH-cam to see if you've done an episode on a particular product type. Keep 'em coming! :)
Thank you for the feedback
*100%* I've actually *left the store* due to poor reception in order to see if PF has a video just to head back in and purchase what I need. He's an absolute champion.
I was at Lowe’s yesterday and this video wasn’t up yet, I’m glad the Elmers wood glue did so well so I don’t feel bad about saving a couple bucks over titebond. I think the speaker brackets I made to hold 17lbs speakers won’t have any problems, I did leave the screws in though ;)
I have to admit, the Elmer's Craft Glue impressed me the most.
Surprisingly strong for a craft glue!
Indeed, it punched well above its weight class.
Indeed! Good to know your macaroni artwork won't come apart.
I've watched a few of your reviews now. I commend your organization of subject matter and your efficient delivery of the data coupled with the product. [Many reviewwer tend to drone along; however your 'crisp' and straightforward presentation is quite good] Much obliged! 🤠
Thank you!
So you're telling me that flex glue isn't even as strong as Elmer's craft glue. Lol
I'm pretty sure that flex glue is not at all suited for wood. But I don't know. I don't use it.
Flex glue is likely suited for it's own thing. Since it's flexible it's perhaps far more reliable than the other wood glues where the repair is exposed to vibrations for example.
Dont know about flexing but 5000lbs compared to 800lbs I could care less about flexing, I want the repaired item as close to it's original strength before it broke or was cut as possible.
Yes....for wood. You need different types of adhesives for different materials and flex glue is not meant for joining wood.
@@jwat2396 i dont know if you missed the point, but some applications might benefit from a joint with some give, ive never used flex glue before, but it sounds like it can be used like dampening between joints, i just bought a 3D printer and built an enclosuresure today, adding some legs to it with wood glue vs flex glue would probably make a big difference in vibration and the noise that comes with it, i still wouldnt use it myself, just an idea
Flex glue: We can claim anything we want to sell our products
Also Flex Glue: Oh Damn. Project Farm is testing our products again 😱😱😱
Lol
nerd
Jason82 he tested it in 24 hours of curing, it takes 7 full days to properly cure.
Flex Glue is not supposed to be a wood glue. I expect it would be much better with nonporous materials.
the only thing flex glue is better is it is easier to apply.
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Project Farm,
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Thanks for the appreciative comments!
Very good test overall, although I question the value of the endgrain to endgrain tests since that results in dry joint (you can see that happened in the results) and most woodworkers wouldn't attempt that joint. The sheer test data does seem to support the prior testing and is more real world friendly.
Thanks so much!
They are all being given the same test…it’s relative….
Here’s an idea, the best product to remove limescale since most people don’t have a water softener.
Keep up the great work buddy, the world needs more people like you.
Thank you for the video idea!
Vinegar
@@JoePJack1 Lemon juice and vinegar. :)
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I like this one!
Craft glue: can't hold pompoms to paper
Also craft glue: hold wood together at 1500 lbs
1000subsnovideos i mean, surface area and clamping does a lot for glue.
Did you affix pompoms to paper with drywall screws and wait 24 hours? See there ya go... User error
@@brodycaruso5394 Yes I know, I'm making fun of how when you make a craft something that is 2 grams doesn't stay on but 1500 pounds of force and nothing happens wood is also pooris and soaks some glue up and bonds a lot better then most other materials
@@cdambartman I'ma weld them mf on!
Most glues dont stick to the varieties of plastic that are out there, the pompoms I have ever seen were plastic, I dont know your situation, but the more you know :D
I knew where to go for my answer. Thanks, Project Farm! Always enjoy your videos.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Had my kids’ little wooden rocker fall apart today. I knew exactly who would know what to use to fix it! 🥰🥰 Thanks for being such a thorough tester!
You are so welcome!
It would be great if you had a document with a "Project Farm" seal of approval. It would be super convenient to have a reference to check quickly while at the hardware store. Love the channel, thanks for the amazing videos!
Doug K, agreed
Yes!
A compilation videos of the things covered so far that links to the old ones. Really would be a good idea, since some comments ask things that were covered in older videos.
Yes! That's a no brainer man! You could sell the list for $5. another revenue stream for you and reliable go to source for us!
I agree, it would be like the "UL" approved symbol. Company's must pay for the testing and rating
I always say this: Most useful youtube channel! No bias, just good old testing and laying down the FaCTS. Thank you!
Thank you very much!
What an amazing amount of effort you put into your testing thank you for your efforts every aspect covered 👍
Thanks!
Another excellent video, Todd. Thanks for everything you do. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours!
Thanks! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
So much for using wood glue to repair utility poles.
As a former lineman, I'm kinda sad about that! :)
Elmers craft glue would be an improvement over some of the repairs I’ve seen Verizon do.
But woodglue and screws seems more practical. Most likely you wouldn't remove the screws in that situation
you don't glue endgrain to endgrain if you can avoid it.
The chainsaw left a very rough surface. Using a guide and a very sharp carbide router bit could have made them smooth and flat to .002 in.
As a woodworker, I cringe when I see you gluing end grain to end grain, or even end grain to face grain. Every single woodworking application that has an end grain joint will have some other means of mechanical or integrated reinforcement. End grain wood soaks up glue and doesn't give the best bond. I'd love to see side grain to side grain or face grain to face grain testing.
However, kudos to the consistency in testing and I think this still provides great information.
He was already stressing his equipment with end grain testing, so I think it was a great way to test these glues relative to each other when they are at a disadvantage. I get where you and other commentators are saying that you would love to see it tested this way, but it will just make the numbers bigger and won't really change the relative test results too much.
@@The_Fat_Turtle I think doing face grain would give more repeatable results. It's hard to know how much the end grain is going to wick the glue away from each individual joint.
In side grain to side grain soft pine (and most other woods) - the wood would be weakest link for any brand of PVA glue.
I thought the same thing. However, stressing either a side to side grain or face to face grain glue up would probably just result in the wood breaking somewhere else besides the glue line.
He should redo this test
You would have made a GREAT Mythbuster! All your videos show how well thought out your testing methods are and the results are clear and precise.
Thanks!
I’ve been using Elmers all purpose glue and Wood glue or ever since the 70s I remember working in the furniture factory and they used the furniture glue on all the wood pieces! So I guess it was a good glue the sofas are still standing!
I love the amount of effort PF puts into these tests. I'm always impressed with the ingenuity of the test setups!
Thank you very much!
Same! Its amazing!
It amazes me that glue can hold these types of forces.
Thank you for the feedback
Have you seen construction adhesive? Even cars are being glued together.
And wood glue is not ment to use on endgrain so when used normally its even stronger
@@johnwayne2103 My father works at a sheet metal/construction company. They use something called Lord Glue (metal only) but it's apparently stronger than welding.
I love that you add tests that are just fun to watch at the end. Leaf blower bike is a good example. And the tractor on the beam.
Thanks!
I'm doing a video about fixing a broken guitar neck and I needed this info! Thanks man you're awesome!
Just wanted to say how much I appreciate these tests. Nothing like an unbiased real world test to prove a products worth. Keep em' coming!
Thank you!
I'm just amazed that end grain joints are even holding up at all
Great point. Nearly 6,000 pounds is pretty impressive!
My thoughts exactly, That is why we use spines and mechanical fasteners but hell now I'm wondering if it's even worth it lol
End-grain joints have a bad reputation, but wood is wood and glue is glue. The joint failures are often caused by ignoring wood movement when fastening end grain to edge grain, letting the end grain soak up all the glue so there's little left in the actual joint, or an incorrect assumption that an edge grain and end grain joint failure would look the same.
@@TheSnekkerShow The " bad reputation" to end-grain to end-grain is will deserve exactly for its ability to suck up the glue which is why industries spend millions of dollars on machines that create finger joints for end-grain glue-up, like you said wood is wood and glue is glue but is not always equal. here an interesting clip of such a machine in action, th-cam.com/video/nZv6EWA_hgc/w-d-xo.html
When doing endgrain glue-ups, I like to 'pre-treat' the wood with some water thinned PVA (Titebond, Elmers, etc) glue to seal up the ends so when I actually glue them together, the glue isn't soaked up by the wood and out of the joint. I haven't done any destructive tests such as the ones done here, but anecdotally, the glue joints seem to be much more reliable. I usually use the 'belt and suspenders' technique of zipping a fastener of some sort into them too, if possible.
Lionel here in central California. Great job as usual. You always succeed in giving an unbiased result.
I find it interesting that the glue that brags the most, finished far behind the rest. That's good info by itself.
Keep up the great work.
Thanks, will do!
Definitely the most thorough product comparisons! I love this channel.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Love your testing videos, but there is a slight issue with this one - gluing to end-grain always results in a poor joint. The porous nature of the end-grain soaks up the glue and tends to give a dry joint. Ideally, for bond testing it should be face grain to face grain. Anyway, keep up the great work - love the vids.
Thank you for the constructive feedback
@Lewis yes true but all the poor joints were tested equally.
@@ProjectFarm Yep, definitely. In woodworking, when you can't avoid gluing end-grain, you go to great lengths to pre-soak the end-grain by applying glue, letting it wick in and partially cure, and then repeating as many times as it takes to have it stop wicking in, and only then put the joint together. When you're gluing long-grain to long-grain, none of that is necessary and nearly every adequately-clamped joint will fail at the wood, not at the glue.
That being said, though, I think maybe that's a good argument for doing the test exactly as you did it. Had you glued a bunch of boards long-grain to long-grain and performed the same tests, you would have essentially (probably) been testing not the relative strength of the glue, but the relative strengths of each wood sample.
Lewis Taylor. Correct but with a correct bond, the timber would break before the glue so the test would end up being a wood strength test. I think that making a weaker joint is possibly better for consistency.
@@Peter-976 Agreed that is a valid point - it was like-for-like testing and so certainly has some validity and some useful information. However, due to the glue uptake of the end grain and variable nature of wood and the viscosity of the glues, you could end up with an extra uncontrolled variable which could influence the performance of the glue.
I like how he throws in the flex bond products. All test I've seen has shown that they are overpriced low quality products like most as seen on tv products but people still buy them. Amazing what television "programming" will do.
Amen brother
People are dumb
@Dennis Young Never heard of their products??? You must NEVER watch ANY television then...
Tim Baumann Or not be from tbe US
@@tripplefives1402 its overpriced. Get you some eternabond tape. It is pricey but it's the best self sealing tape there is. Also the zip tape from lowes is 25 bucks for a 90 foot roll and it's better than flex tape. It's made for the zip boards but you can use it for anything. Very uv resistant
Last a long time too. Eternabond has been on my camper roof for 6 years and still plyable and stuck down
Another great video. I’ve always wondered about this. I was surprised at the variance in the same glues.
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I am again amazed at the planning and work required to produce a video like this. Great job!
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as a woodworker i was especially interested in this one....good to know i’m not wasting money on titebond 3.
as usual, hanks for taking the time to do this test and making the video.
It's a great product! Thank you
Project Farm: titebond 3 really is a great product because it tends to hold up outdoors, where glues that are not designed for exterior break down and ruin projects. so you spend a couple bucks more but you’re guaranteed a proper bond that stays, and your not having to rebuild, redo, or repair. it’s aggravating and a waste of time.
i’d rather spend this limited time on this planet doing something that brings joy.
i’ll spend the extra bucks all day long.
i bet your life on that farm, even thou a lot of work, is a real treat to wake up to.
life, joy, and wood glue in the same comment.
When I inquired about the wood glue test, I didn't think you'd do it in less than a week!!! Thanks for doing it. Now I know which one to use to glue my precious Duck walking cane.
Great comparison. Thanks for all the work you put into this content.
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Wow great video. I’ve been using Gorilla the last 6 or 7 years or so with great results on all my outdoor projects. Everything is still holding up like new. I like the way it creeps out in wood and fills up all gaps to seal out the weather. You made me see several other great brands to try as well in the future. Thanks again always love your great videos!!!
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Great test. This one really peaked my interest as a canadian red seal journeyman cabinetmaker. One important thing we learned in school about glue joints is that the weakest joint is end grain to end grain. If end grain joints are used they are stronger if sizes. (Mixing glue and water 50/50 and allowing it to be absorbed into the pores then after a bit of wait time glue as normal) The strongest being edge grain to edge grain. I'd really like to see this test done again with edge grain to edge grain. Also end grain to end grain test would be cool to see again with testing the sizing method mentioned above.
Cheers and keep the videos coming!!
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@TheCheesePlease when doing a science experiment you come up with a hypothesis of what might happen. Your hypothesis is that they will all hold up and the wood would break. My hypothesis is that some of them may hold up but most will still fail. Another possibility is that sizing a joint actually doesn't do anything it could be something that they thought would work for years but actually has zero science behind it to work. So now I think it has to be tested.
I’ve found myself looking on project farms page before I make almost every purchase
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L798pipeliner I agree! I just found myself buying Bosch windshield wipers because of his reviews. I love watching these videos. I am one that is always trying to save a buck but trying to buy the best quality at the same time. These videos speak my language.
@@jarinsmith2202 WHAT? He did one on wiper blades? Holey crap - nice!
@@NiNjaTurtLe697 My recommendation is watch his videos and take notes on the products that impact you the most. That way you don't forget and when the time comes to purchase you don't have to rewatch the videos like me :D
The AA battery test has changed my views on buying batteries!
As always I’m so impressed with Todd’s testing techniques. Add to that, the time spent and concise nature of the videos. The only thing I’d be interested in is the effect of screws, nails and staples. Personally I think a combination of both would be ideal. Thanks, excellent content.
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Don’t call him Todd… he’s projectfarm!!! Yes that’s his real name lol
This was an excellent test. Great job
Project Farm to Consumer Reports: “Hold my beer” 🤣 I come for the tests and stay for the comments!
F....in DITO
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@Dennis Young I'm sure he'd rather you just contribute to his patreon.
I swear this man would get 1st place every time at the science fair
lol. Thank you
I don’t know man, I have a pretty sick volcano.
Meh, the videos are clearly useful to get some comparison between products but they're not very scientific.
Hez the man !
@@iamjimgroth correct, I made this point the other day in a spark plug fuel efficiency video. People seem to not understand statistical significance, In that particular video their wasn't one. Accuracy of measuring devices were the issue in that video. Running "full" tanks of gas with different plugs. There was a variance of 35 seconds max between plugs, if we assume 1 gal per hour, convert to ml then divide by 60 twice we see that 1 second runtime is 1mL of fuel. So 30mL gives 30 second variance, my conclusion was the test was moot, unless he's measuring fuel with a weigh scale after drying the tank fully. He would have to weigh the samples to the hundredths and not lose any to evaporation during testing. Air temp, tank temp, head temp would all play factors. There's are reason testing is done in climate controlled environment a with incredibly precise instruments. Some of these videos prove nothing, others likely do provide results due to overcoming the error.
Thank you. very useful advice. Thanks four your efforts and thorough approach
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Thank you for doing these videos.
The things you test are such every day things. I was using flex for several things, will rethink my ideas. Must have been good marketing i didn't give it a second thought until I saw your video. Thank you for helping me do better quality work for my customers.
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Inspector: You're gonna need hangers there. Me: but I used Elmers Max. Inspector: All good then
lol. Nice!
Best comment I’ve seen.
Elmer's definitely knows how to make glue. At least that was my takeaway from this test.
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@@ProjectFarm thanks for YOUR feedback 🇺🇸🦅
this channel always has a comparison for all the stuff i'm going to buy. helpful! thanks
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Really good review.
I use these products all the time and never really knew which one was the best.
Thanks so much!
I used to work in test and evaluation in a missile guidance lab, and I have to tell you that you do a great job with your test methodology. Thanks for taking the time and going to the trouble of designing repeatable test set-ups. Also, Titebond II is what a lot of folks (including myself) use to repair guitar necks and headstocks. Good to see a test that confirms it's a good choice!
Thank you very much! Great feedback on Titebond. It's a great product!
@Mycel I bought some hide glue once but I've never been able to find it.
Are you an importer/exporter of these repaired guitar necks?
@@BZABuddy In between architecture gigs.
I appreciate the existence of your channel to no end. Thank you for putting so much passion and effort into your tests!
Thank you very much! The positive feedback keeps me going!
I really appreciate the work you put in to these videos. You are a truly talented individual.
When gluing the end-grain of a board, the bond is considered to be quite weak, and this may have contributed toward the massive variance between test samples.
If you do any wood glue comparison in the future, it would be great to see how the glues compare when bonding edge grain together.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
A woodworker never counts on end grain gluing.
Always great content, always surprising results. Thanks!
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I'd be interested to see how these glues perform against construction adhesive.
John Heisz, for example, is notorious for using construction adhesive in place of glue.
Great suggestion! Thank you
He tested that already. The PL 8X tested the best, but I can't remember the numbers. Search his channel, he tested them a few months back.
You can make a lot of assumptions from the construction adhesive video PF did previously. If I'm gluing wood to wood, I'll reach for wood glue.
@@AnomadAlaska that's great for projects, but for construction applications, construction adhesive is a must. Not only is it an adhesive, but it also fills in voids and imperfections in the lumber - which is why it works so well for floor sheathing and stair treads.
My experience with construction adhesive is that they dry out and do not hold after a few years
I love how this guy’s voice sounds like an announcer/commentator throughout the video, it’s a nice thing to hear from the older videos. A little flavor text never hurt anyone
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Project Farm you’re very welcome(: keep it up you’re doing amazing
Great comparisons! Thank you!
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As a home owner. this is probably the MOST important channel on youtube. Love and appreciate your work.
Wow, thank you!
Love everything about this channel, from the quality of the testing to the editing it’s perfect. Would love to see some testing on different brands of ratchet/socket sets if you’re looking to test some tools. Thank you for all the content you put up mate 👌🏻
Thank you very much! Great video idea too!
AvE has done a bit of that, but not as a comparison of different brands. But he does pr a good bit of attention into the methodology.
Recommendation: wood glues and fillers and how well they sand and take a stain. And spread / fill
Thank you for the video idea!
I've been a cabinet maker for 30 years and have never found a wood glue that will take stain. For wood putty , I use Famowood.
@@cabbyhubbyI have had pretty good success just mixing the saw dust from that particular wood species (pile from under the table saw with titebond 1 or 2 or others (not titebond 3, nothing sticks to it like paint or stain). My homemade wood filler will stain darkest though because of the absorbtion with the saw dust. I have stopped using wood fillers because of waste when storing it.
Great, I JUST bought a bottle of TB 2 ! Great test and video as always !
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It's amazing to think that Elmer's Craft glue, which nearly all of us used in elementary school, would take half a ton of load when properly applied. Explains why some of my early "art" projects didn't implode on themselves. 🤣
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Great to see this episode. I was one of the ones that recommended testing carpenter glues. As always, great work!
Thank you for recommending this one!
Thank you for taking the time to do such diligent work on testing, analysing and especially editing this video to such a compact package.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate your videos.
Thanks so much!