Amazing that the echo was so clear. You would think that the rough surface of the moon would scatter the signal and create different returns from the various surface elevations would distort her voice.
The radio waves are scattered when they hit the moon. But the waves that are sent in odd directions don't come back to the receiver, they just go out into space. And those don't bounce off something else.
And if they do, the Moon diameter is just 1/100 of the distance between Earth and Moon. When the signal is reflected from south to north, it will only cause a very weak 11 millisecond echo on the signal.
This is fantastic - I think the clearest example of voice moonbounce echo I've seen recorded. Please may I use a clip of a few seconds for a TH-cam video on moonbounce to help explain the principle? I would attribute and link.
Very interesting, but I can't hear myself yet, since the 144 MHz setup is a very weak 2X9H and about 100 watts. 3 radio communications on this setup through the moon have already been carried out UA3PTW, I2FAK and RK3FG.
I can detect my own echos using a 6 element yagi and 1kW on 6m. Earlier I had 4 * 18 and a kW on 2m, which worked really well on CW EME. At best I had audible echos using only 40W from JX7DFA. You would benefit greatly from a few dB more antenna gain. Also, make sure you test when the moon is low (0-15 degrees) for extra ground gain.
What antenna are they using and how much dBD gain does it has? Amazing how strong the signal comes back! That must be a very big antenna with lots of gain. What is the QRG ? How much Watt ERP and how much RF pwr into the antenna?
PI9CAM is operating from the 25 m Dish of the Dwingeloo observatory. The callsign refers to Lex Muller PA0CAM, the late chief engineer and main scientist of this astronomic instrument. This magnificent instrument was built in 1956, and was at that time the only fully rotatable radio telescope of that size in the world. In 2013 the complete restauration of the dish was finished and it is now in 'like new' state and fully operational. Dish and housing weigh 120.000 kg. F/D of the dish is 0.5. We will activate PI9CAM on EME as much as we can. Operations will be announced on moon-net. If you QSL directly, a small contribution is well appreciated!
Well that's rather incredible. I worked in the NL on the first WiFi cards - great engineers and fine people in general, but rather cold in the winter. I can do moon bounce but nothing like that - must be using a large dish.
225,706 miles or 451.412 miles round trip EME.OR 726,477Km, given the speed of light 299792458m/S them the time is about 413mS,or slightly shy of half a second shown in the video. Hence the moon is where it should be .
It's actually about 1.3 seconds and it would be from the beginning of her transmission and not from when she unkeyed the microphone. The moon doesn't buffer the echo. :)
@@HilkoHof Yep, a nice experiment using a tiny 100 Watt Kenwood TS-2000 amateur shortwave-tranceiver, which is connected to a HUGE 25 meter diameter parabolic scientific Radio Telescope (located in Dwingelo, in the north of the Netherlands) which is pointed to the moon, beams about 1.2 Kw of RF energy towards the moon-surface, of which a tiny part is reflected back into the 25m antenna.
From about 400,000 km, a very very very small variation of the magnetic field, or electric micro micro volts reaches that receiver, but enough to transfer that sound
I find it interesting that the echo doesn't start until after she unkeys the mike, especially on her longer transmissions and the delay after unkeying seems constant no matter how long she talks. As said in the 1960's show Laugh-In, "Very interesting..." The echo should have already been back before she unkeyed so she would have only heard the last part of her transmission. I've echoed my CW call from the moon at 10wpm and only heard the tail end of the echo because the signal was already back before the end of my transmission.
Except you could probably disprove this by loading it into an audio editor and timing the echo. Some of her overs are longer than others, but the echo time is constant. Check the very last over when she gives the callsign.
wb5rue - Your CW call at 10 wpm is definitely taking longer than 2.3 seconds to complete. I've timed it at almost 6 seconds at that speed. So you _will_ only hear the tail end of your callsign.
To all FE commenters I’d love to know what the speed of light is on your flat earth? Amateur radio ops ,myself a G6 callsign among them ,know the speed of light 299792458m/s , if we didn’t ,no antenna we build would resonate at its fundamental frequency . We know the metre is 1/c, we know the second = 9,192,631,770 cycles of the radiation produced by the transition between two hyperfine levels of the cesium 133 atom., what more information do you need to calculate the distance between the Earth and Moon?
Yeah you're right! It's the rule of Scharsnarzleblarvle that says that no antenna we build will resonate at its fundamental frequency. There are qlincotorquilate velocity factors from quantum mechanic energy fields and quitschqorqualate fields that are influencing gravity neqirqyulating energy. It's common knowledge.
@@bren42069 PI9CAM 25m dish and 1296MHz. Antenna gain is 47dB and beamwidth is 0.5 degrees, so it has illumination on the whole moon's surface withs is 0.5 degrees wide). Actually, you can get even cleaner signals back if you have an even bigger dish because then you will be using just a portion of the surface, so it will be less fading.
There is a reason for the regulations not allowing music, and that is that if someone were to broadcast (for example) one or more complete songs, they would be both hogging the frequency and using copyrighted material. She is only singing two or three verses for a few seconds. That is hardly a criminal offense.
@@sergiomatiauda2237 It's also worth noting that this observatory is in the Netherlands so I'm not really sure what this guy thinks the FCC's rules have got to do with anything lol.
some amateurs see the rules as, well... flexible. You hear them on the bands everyday. When she's not bouncing Karaoke off the moon you can hear her on 40M, hola, hola, HOOOOOOOOLA.
WSJT operation on 144 MHz typically takes place between 144.100 and 144.150 MHz. Moonbounce via SSB: For stations with very high gain antennas and high power levels, it can be possible to use single sideband.
The frequency spectrum is historically divided into bands for various use cases and the naming depends on the wavelength of the radio waves. E.g. The 20m band is 14MHz, and a dipole antenna is 2 x 5m. The 10m band is 28MHz and a dipole is 2 x 2,5m. In the early days of radio, amateur radio operators were given ALL frequencies above 2MHz. These were "useless" for broadcast at the time. Still, amateur radio has a lot of frequency bands probably thanks to the early days were we owned most frequencies :) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum
Wat mij betreft mag dit signaal als eerste opgevangen worden door ander leven op andere planeten......... ik zou dan meteen koers zetten naar onze aarde om daar meer te willen horen.
Ik heb eind jaren '90 een EME avond bijgewoond in Thorn, insiders weten dan genoeg. Zo mooi! 1.2 kW in een 9 meter schotel :) Heb daar nog ergens video-opnames van bedenk ik me net.
@@gertebert Ik was er niet helemaal bij, sorry 😅 1200 Watt ERP is niet zo veel om een afstand EME te overbruggen van 770.000km. Waar ik even overheen las was de schotel van 9 meter die op (ik neem aan) 1296 MHz een gain moet hebben van om en nabij de 40dBi waardoor het geen 1200W ERP is maar 10 MegaWatt ERP 🙂 Foutje, bedankt.
@@hugoromeyn4582 Geeft niets en je rekensom klopt! 23cm inderdaad. Eindtrap was een YL1050 naar ontwerp van DL9DBL. Zo mooi! Alleen de gloeistroom van die buis is al 25 Ampère..... :)
I hate to be a wet rag but music and/or singing isn't allowed on Amateur radio frequencies. The band spacing is so tight that the dynamic range of singing/music takes the transmission outside the intended band space to splatter on adjacent bands/channels. I'm not sure about the radio rules in the Netherlands but in the US it's a major no-no.
Deploracle - Singing is allowed, so long as it’s not copyright material or a professional recording. There is nothing which specifically forbids all sorts of singing. And in any case, she was not causing interference to any other service on that frequency. The rules do say that bandwidth should be kept within reasonable limits, but those limits depend upon the mode of transmission. Amateur fast scan television, for example, is several MHz in bandwidth, whereas CW will be 300 Hz or less, depending upon sending speed. RTTY needs a couple of kHz, and SSB voice requires about 3kHz. The OP mentioned FM, which requires more bandwidth, even for NBFM or PM. Channel spacing for NBFM on 2 metres is 12.5 kHz, so singing is possible even in that mode. The bandwidth of that received audio signal is not wide. Probably not much more than 3.5 kHz, but you can check it with a spectrum analyser to confirm the statement.
It's got nothing whatsoever to do with music "going outside the intended band space". Rather, it has to do with the fact that commercial broadcasters don't want competition from amateur radio for "entertainment" and the money they make from it. Same reason hams aren't allowed to make money from their activity, for any reason, including competing with for-profit telephone services. It's all about the moolah, otherwise nobody would care.
@@kenlogsdon7095 Sorry but, it has everything to do with it. A licensed amateur is prohibited from transmitting outside of their assigned band space. Music can have a wide dynamic range, which may put parts of the transmitted signal (using Frequency Modulation (FM)) onto areas of the spectrum they are not licensed for. Besides ... who is going to listen to scratchy ham bands for a low power, low quality music station? Who wants to make a completely public phone call? No one. Phone patches were a thing before mobile phones, intended for hams to use in an emergency. Why can't hams make money using amateur radio frequencies? Because they only pay $1 a year for the privilege of using the band space.
She's got a lovely voice. And someone wants to complain?! ALL sound is like a music to me. I have to mentally translate sounds into musical intonation and translate that to speech. 10KHz, 9KHz, 8KHz whistling in my head makes it that way. Slightly clipped speech is actually way more intelligible than soft spoken vowel based words perfectly clear audio with a noise at around the same level. I will hear your voice, know who you are, but not understanding a single word you may have spoken during the same level ambient noise.
No contact. There is nobody on the moon... It's just the echo of a radiosignal that you hear coming back from the moon-surface. Similar to shouting in a mountainous area, and you will hear your (audio) echo back after some seconds.
Is it legal to sing on amateur radio? May not be in the licence to not do it. It's supposed to be for communication with others and self training in radio, not a music hall act. Singing and talking to herself. What a waste of radio gear.
The (amateurband) signal is transmitted from a small amateur tranceiver, BUT is is connected to a HUGE radiotelescope antenna in the north in the Netherlands: The Dwingelo Radio Telescope (se: www.camras.nl/en/)
CharlesFockaert Charles do you even know what EME is? Or how far a radio wave can transmit? Do you understand that Voyager which has sent information back to earth uses radio frequency to send the telemetry back to Earth. You really don't think that the Earth and the moon are separated almost a quarter of a million miles? Are you really that ignorant or are you just trolling I hopefully think that you're just trolling
CharlesFockaert Charles fuckwit more like. Isn't it sad... this video eats away at your own beliefs and starts to show how science erodes the religious dogma and indoctrination.. And don't you just hate it.
Electronics and radio that person did not mention anything about religion so why are you mentioning religion? That's just a fucking moron that does not believe that the Moon is about 240,000 miles away but that does not have to do anything with religion actually mentioning religion could show another thing otherwise.
As amazing as moon bounce is, can we take a moment to acknowledge her beautiful singing voice?
Amazing that the echo was so clear. You would think that the rough surface of the moon would scatter the signal and create different returns from the various surface elevations would distort her voice.
Radio waves are radio waves (for the most part). So, no. This is exactly as expected
The radio waves are scattered when they hit the moon. But the waves that are sent in odd directions don't come back to the receiver, they just go out into space. And those don't bounce off something else.
And if they do, the Moon diameter is just 1/100 of the distance between Earth and Moon. When the signal is reflected from south to north, it will only cause a very weak 11 millisecond echo on the signal.
This is fantastic - I think the clearest example of voice moonbounce echo I've seen recorded. Please may I use a clip of a few seconds for a TH-cam video on moonbounce to help explain the principle? I would attribute and link.
Wow, technology is amazing! Hard to believe earth-moon-earth communication was developed in the 1940's
hjk3019 and used by hams from 1956
Domen Gregorčič most EME is digital, eg ft8
that's how I mimic us reptilians :)))
Would love to see their antenna setup, and what band they are on
Google "Dwingeloo Radio Observatory". They were operating on the 23 cm band.
What is this buy radiotrasnitter to do this
Appears to be 1296 Mhz ssb.
That has got to be one helluva transmitter and dish.
Very entertaining hearing the delay.
The dish is 25 meters diameter. An obsolete radiotelescope in Dwingeloo the netherlands. Now operated by radioamateurs as CAMRAS
Very interesting, but I can't hear myself yet, since the 144 MHz setup is a very weak 2X9H and about 100 watts. 3 radio communications on this setup through the moon have already been carried out UA3PTW, I2FAK and RK3FG.
I can detect my own echos using a 6 element yagi and 1kW on 6m. Earlier I had 4 * 18 and a kW on 2m, which worked really well on CW EME. At best I had audible echos using only 40W from JX7DFA.
You would benefit greatly from a few dB more antenna gain. Also, make sure you test when the moon is low (0-15 degrees) for extra ground gain.
Bouncing off the moon! Amazing
What antenna are they using and how much dBD gain does it has? Amazing how strong the signal comes back! That must be a very big antenna with lots of gain. What is the QRG ? How much Watt ERP and how much RF pwr into the antenna?
from what i read in the comments, they are using a 30ft dish on 1296MHz and outputting roughly 1.2kW erp
PI9CAM is operating from the 25 m Dish of the Dwingeloo observatory. The callsign refers to Lex Muller PA0CAM, the late chief engineer and main scientist of this astronomic instrument.
This magnificent instrument was built in 1956, and was at that time the only fully rotatable radio telescope of that size in the world.
In 2013 the complete restauration of the dish was finished and it is now in 'like new' state and fully operational.
Dish and housing weigh 120.000 kg. F/D of the dish is 0.5.
We will activate PI9CAM on EME as much as we can. Operations will be announced on moon-net.
If you QSL directly, a small contribution is well appreciated!
Well that's rather incredible. I worked in the NL on the first WiFi cards - great engineers and fine people in general, but rather cold in the winter. I can do moon bounce but nothing like that - must be using a large dish.
how do you mean wifi cards
@@glennbreukelman8241 I'd assume he means wifi adapters
Great choice of song 👍
This is really cool stuff. Thank you for posting this.
Was the rig barefoot or did you have an amp? SSB?
She's using a 25 meter dish. QRP would do it with a 25 meter dish, send and receive.
225,706 miles or 451.412 miles round trip EME.OR 726,477Km, given the speed of light 299792458m/S them the time is about 413mS,or slightly shy of half a second shown in the video. Hence the moon is where it should be .
It's actually about 1.3 seconds and it would be from the beginning of her transmission and not from when she unkeyed the microphone. The moon doesn't buffer the echo. :)
I don't understand..can any one tell me what is going on
The song she is singing is sending to the moon with a 25 meter dish en after 2,5 sec is it coming back from the moon
@@HilkoHof Yep, a nice experiment using a tiny 100 Watt Kenwood TS-2000 amateur shortwave-tranceiver, which is connected to a HUGE 25 meter diameter parabolic scientific Radio Telescope (located in Dwingelo, in the north of the Netherlands) which is pointed to the moon, beams about 1.2 Kw of RF energy towards the moon-surface, of which a tiny part is reflected back into the 25m antenna.
Proving how far away the moon is.
From about 400,000 km, a very very very small variation of the magnetic field, or electric micro micro volts reaches that receiver, but enough to transfer that sound
How to get to and from the moon without leaving home 😅
how do you do that? is that HF? or VHF?
1296 mhz
I find it interesting that the echo doesn't start until after she unkeys the mike, especially on her longer transmissions and the delay after unkeying seems constant no matter how long she talks. As said in the 1960's show Laugh-In, "Very interesting..." The echo should have already been back before she unkeyed so she would have only heard the last part of her transmission. I've echoed my CW call from the moon at 10wpm and only heard the tail end of the echo because the signal was already back before the end of my transmission.
Thats why she speaks no longer than ~4 seconds ;)
Very good observation. It's clearly fake.
Except you could probably disprove this by loading it into an audio editor and timing the echo. Some of her overs are longer than others, but the echo time is constant. Check the very last over when she gives the callsign.
wb5rue - Your CW call at 10 wpm is definitely taking longer than 2.3 seconds to complete. I've timed it at almost 6 seconds at that speed. So you _will_ only hear the tail end of your callsign.
@@Flagrazi You're clearly not correct.
I like your Kenwood TS-2000. I have the same radio bought it brand new many years ago. Kc7lgt USA.
To all FE commenters
I’d love to know what the speed of light is on your flat earth?
Amateur radio ops ,myself a G6 callsign among them ,know the speed of light 299792458m/s ,
if we didn’t ,no antenna we build would resonate at its fundamental frequency .
We know the metre is 1/c,
we know the second = 9,192,631,770 cycles of the radiation produced by the transition between two hyperfine levels of the cesium 133 atom.,
what more information do you need to calculate the distance between the Earth and Moon?
How do you calculate refraction or retardation of the EM signal?
Yeah you're right! It's the rule of Scharsnarzleblarvle that says that no antenna we build will resonate at its fundamental frequency. There are qlincotorquilate velocity factors from quantum mechanic energy fields and quitschqorqualate fields that are influencing gravity neqirqyulating energy. It's common knowledge.
flat earthers beleive the moon echos are caused by a parrot strapped to a baofeng flying above the dish
Old radio ham trick. Still quite impressive. I assume a pretty powerful transmitter is required.
One guy said it's a 30ft dish and 1.2kW. I wonder what frequency
@@bren42069 PI9CAM 25m dish and 1296MHz. Antenna gain is 47dB and beamwidth is 0.5 degrees, so it has illumination on the whole moon's surface withs is 0.5 degrees wide).
Actually, you can get even cleaner signals back if you have an even bigger dish because then you will be using just a portion of the surface, so it will be less fading.
@@bren42069 Daily
What do you have against whisky?😉
Very hot video. beautiful voice !!!.congrats...Valter IK1FJI
FCC say cannot sing song or music in the ham frequency band ? 🎶🎵🔊👽
There is a reason for the regulations not allowing music, and that is that if someone were to broadcast (for example) one or more complete songs, they would be both hogging the frequency and using copyrighted material. She is only singing two or three verses for a few seconds. That is hardly a criminal offense.
@@sergiomatiauda2237 It's also worth noting that this observatory is in the Netherlands so I'm not really sure what this guy thinks the FCC's rules have got to do with anything lol.
По моему пение лучше отражается от поверхности Луны ! ))
Is this true?
Find a ham near you that works EME and find out.
Literally spent $10,000 on transmission equipment just for this singing woman who wants to hear herself through the moon)))
No risk about 1000
Amp maybe 1000 more
Antenna was free
Why are you being such a dick lol
music is not allowed on amateur radio
some amateurs see the rules as, well... flexible. You hear them on the bands everyday. When she's not bouncing Karaoke off the moon you can hear her on 40M, hola, hola, HOOOOOOOOLA.
what is a band ????
WSJT operation on 144 MHz typically takes place between 144.100 and 144.150 MHz. Moonbounce via SSB: For stations with very high gain antennas and high power levels, it can be possible to use single sideband.
The frequency spectrum is historically divided into bands for various use cases and the naming depends on the wavelength of the radio waves.
E.g. The 20m band is 14MHz, and a dipole antenna is 2 x 5m. The 10m band is 28MHz and a dipole is 2 x 2,5m.
In the early days of radio, amateur radio operators were given ALL frequencies above 2MHz. These were "useless" for broadcast at the time. Still, amateur radio has a lot of frequency bands probably thanks to the early days were we owned most frequencies :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum
I would say 1296
Ts2000 has optional 23 cm
wo ist diese funkstelle in PA freudliche frage von dg1xt thomas
Dwingeloo, Drenthe.
Wat mij betreft mag dit signaal als eerste opgevangen worden door ander leven op andere planeten......... ik zou dan meteen koers zetten naar onze aarde om daar meer te willen horen.
super, moje marzenie, nadać do gwiazd
Ik heb eind jaren '90 een EME avond bijgewoond in Thorn, insiders weten dan genoeg. Zo mooi! 1.2 kW in een 9 meter schotel :)
Heb daar nog ergens video-opnames van bedenk ik me net.
1200 Watt slechts? Wow!
@@hugoromeyn4582 Slechts?
@@gertebert Ik was er niet helemaal bij, sorry 😅 1200 Watt ERP is niet zo veel om een afstand EME te overbruggen van 770.000km. Waar ik even overheen las was de schotel van 9 meter die op (ik neem aan) 1296 MHz een gain moet hebben van om en nabij de 40dBi waardoor het geen 1200W ERP is maar 10 MegaWatt ERP 🙂 Foutje, bedankt.
@@hugoromeyn4582 Geeft niets en je rekensom klopt! 23cm inderdaad.
Eindtrap was een YL1050 naar ontwerp van DL9DBL. Zo mooi! Alleen de gloeistroom van die buis is al 25 Ampère..... :)
Delightful and Beautiful
Why? Because she's a woman? If this was a guy using EME to hear his own karaoke, you would (rightfully) be telling him that it's not allowed.
I hate to be a wet rag but music and/or singing isn't allowed on Amateur radio frequencies. The band spacing is so tight that the dynamic range of singing/music takes the transmission outside the intended band space to splatter on adjacent bands/channels. I'm not sure about the radio rules in the Netherlands but in the US it's a major no-no.
Typical channel width of HAM radio here in Europe is 10 kHz , FM modulated. As long as the audio is not over modulated, everything is all right.
Deploracle - Singing is allowed, so long as it’s not copyright material or a professional recording. There is nothing which specifically forbids all sorts of singing. And in any case, she was not causing interference to any other service on that frequency. The rules do say that bandwidth should be kept within reasonable limits, but those limits depend upon the mode of transmission. Amateur fast scan television, for example, is several MHz in bandwidth, whereas CW will be 300 Hz or less, depending upon sending speed. RTTY needs a couple of kHz, and SSB voice requires about 3kHz. The OP mentioned FM, which requires more bandwidth, even for NBFM or PM. Channel spacing for NBFM on 2 metres is 12.5 kHz, so singing is possible even in that mode. The bandwidth of that received audio signal is not wide. Probably not much more than 3.5 kHz, but you can check it with a spectrum analyser to confirm the statement.
NL is a free country.... Just come over and see for yourself... Very welcome!!
It's got nothing whatsoever to do with music "going outside the intended band space". Rather, it has to do with the fact that commercial broadcasters don't want competition from amateur radio for "entertainment" and the money they make from it. Same reason hams aren't allowed to make money from their activity, for any reason, including competing with for-profit telephone services. It's all about the moolah, otherwise nobody would care.
@@kenlogsdon7095 Sorry but, it has everything to do with it. A licensed amateur is prohibited from transmitting outside of their assigned band space. Music can have a wide dynamic range, which may put parts of the transmitted signal (using Frequency Modulation (FM)) onto areas of the spectrum they are not licensed for.
Besides ... who is going to listen to scratchy ham bands for a low power, low quality music station? Who wants to make a completely public phone call? No one.
Phone patches were a thing before mobile phones, intended for hams to use in an emergency.
Why can't hams make money using amateur radio frequencies? Because they only pay $1 a year for the privilege of using the band space.
SPETTACOLARE
Isn't singing against the rules?
Shouldnt be a big deal for demonstrational purposes.
"Some make rules, some obey, but the rules are for the fools is what I say!"
In the US yes, apparently not where this was done.
and no dancing either!
cool
ok the EME bounce was way much faster response than President Nixon talking to Apollo 11 so, eme isn’t accurate.
What do you mean? They weren't echoing Nixon's voice during the Apollo 11 call.
Metric system in NL.
👍🤝
Love it
She's got a lovely voice. And someone wants to complain?! ALL sound is like a music to me. I have to mentally translate sounds into musical intonation and translate that to speech. 10KHz, 9KHz, 8KHz whistling in my head makes it that way. Slightly clipped speech is actually way more intelligible than soft spoken vowel based words perfectly clear audio with a noise at around the same level. I will hear your voice, know who you are, but not understanding a single word you may have spoken during the same level ambient noise.
Perfect woman )))
She is 57 in this video. She's a singer.
The moon is plasma try again lol
Says the flerf who has never looked at it, or anything else, through a telescope in your life.
this is a reali contact to the moon ????
No contact. There is nobody on the moon... It's just the echo of a radiosignal that you hear coming back from the moon-surface. Similar to shouting in a mountainous area, and you will hear your (audio) echo back after some seconds.
Moon Men can't understand English so just mimicking back what they hear.
Awesome
Is it legal to sing on amateur radio? May not be in the licence to not do it.
It's supposed to be for communication with others and self training in radio, not a music hall act. Singing and talking to herself. What a waste of radio gear.
echo my echo
Un eremita
The (amateurband) signal is transmitted from a small amateur tranceiver, BUT is is connected to a HUGE radiotelescope antenna in the north in the Netherlands: The Dwingelo Radio Telescope (se: www.camras.nl/en/)
супер !!! de ua0zgx
haha
EME DX
Evidence the moon is not 240,000 miles away, isn't it?
CharlesFockaert about 225 at the moment
Are you really that stupid, Charles?
CharlesFockaert Charles do you even know what EME is? Or how far a radio wave can transmit? Do you understand that Voyager which has sent information back to earth uses radio frequency to send the telemetry back to Earth. You really don't think that the Earth and the moon are separated almost a quarter of a million miles? Are you really that ignorant or are you just trolling I hopefully think that you're just trolling
CharlesFockaert Charles fuckwit more like. Isn't it sad... this video eats away at your own beliefs and starts to show how science erodes the religious dogma and indoctrination.. And don't you just hate it.
Electronics and radio that person did not mention anything about religion so why are you mentioning religion? That's just a fucking moron that does not believe that the Moon is about 240,000 miles away but that does not have to do anything with religion actually mentioning religion could show another thing otherwise.
It's bullshit. Should take longer
Allan Nowak actually a bit shorter but it also depends on a lot of other factors
Nice! You made my day)