McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder | evo TRACK BATTLE
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- The McLaren P1 and Porsche 918 Spyder are two of the quickest supercars on the planet. But which is the fastest around the spectacular Anglesey Circuit? evo's Jethro Bovingdon attaches the Vbox timing kit and finds out....
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why did the 918 have the roof off?? put the roof on, make it fair. thats coming from a mclaren fan
Full WS pack has no A/C. I'm pretty sure it's gets hot in car on track. Panels also reduce weight on 918.
excuses are flying in lol
Motor Trend ran the 2 cars around Laguna Seca and the 918 was faster. The Gran Tour also ran the 2 plus a La Ferrari and the 918 was fastest around the track.
@@jeffwill4923 God I'm itching to reply to this 6 year old comment. Anyways
No, it's not about the weight. It's about the aerodynamics. The wind flow will be disturbed when the roof is removed creating drag behind qnd in turn slowing it down
@@mariinito8398 it had to be done. Thank you.
918 takes this, no problem at all.
Considering the fact that 918 is so much more luxurious inside, instead of being completely bare and stripped out like the P1, it's better equipped, probably far more comfortable and refined on the road, far more usable in various weather conditions and on actual roads with bumps, surface changes and camber changes, and let's not mention infinitely more fuel efficient and green, it's a much better technical achievement than the P1, and I don't care whatever anyone says, that is a fact, if you don't agree, you're wrong.
As far as the lap goes...even though it's pretty irrelevant, put the same sticky tires to the 918, and it will probably beat the P1 again.
In any case....regardless of lap times.... we are talking about less power on the 918, much more weight, stock tires that the car comes with and are perfectly usable on the road, and it's road legal in the setup that was used for the lap. P1 is much lighter, more powerful, far less efficient, far more track focused overall, it had stickier tires than 918, they probably tweaked the setup in Mclaren to make it faster on this track before sending the new car, I bet you my both arms and both legs they did, AND the aerodynamic track setup on it is actually road ILLEGAL. So, the lap time, even the slower one, is done with a car that is technically unsuable on the road, which means it wont be as capable on the road as it is on the track (not that it needs to be, but still, a win for 918).
Oh, and it's also more expensive than 918.
So...how is it not a clear win for the 918?
Completely agree - also remember that due to the P1's regen system it's very likely that it's unable to make its max power go nearly as far as the 918, which was one of the reasons thrown around as to why McLaren were so shy about their Nurburgring lap time because it couldn't last full lap....I also wonder about 918's time with the roof up instead of down, must make a difference.
Joe Weaver The timed lap was obviously made with the roof on..
As much as I don't want to agree with you- you're absolutely right. I guess people already have this perception that based on the looks and all the weight saving measures; the P1 would easily destroy the 918 on the track but it's obvious that it doesn't.
kapquarfa I think the P1 is more capable, on this track the difference was this small because (like they mentioned) the track is pretty short, so the 4wd of the Porsche helps alot with traction and the Aero of the P1 doesn't really comes into effect. Don't understand me wrong, both are amazing cars.
Schleberger Roof was OFF ! Hahahaha
The fair comparison ends at 11:46. After that it's just McLaren giving it another shot with much stickier times because they can't live with the 918 being faster. With the standart tires the cars are shipped with the 918 was fester even though his roof wasn't up. Massive achievement for the 918 because it's heavier and less powerfull.
On a circuit this slow, it'd make about as much difference as you spending 3 years at Oxford or Cambridge . It's the tyres, EVERYBODY knows the standard rubber on the Mclaren is like fitting it with crossplys compared to the Michelins.
the p zero on the second test are comparible to the michelin pilot sport cup 2, the tire before was a trash tire compared to the michelins
"Mclaren have used hybrid technology to live it up, a supercar today. Porsche have used hybrid technology to save the supercar for tomorrow!" - Richard Hammond
On that time he was supporting to 918, P1 is still had best hybrid system.
@@mohammedmazin4675 No, I don't think so. The 918 has the cleverest hybrid system among the three. It has better power regeneration capability, better power delivery, And the 918 is the most effecient of the lot.
Also it is the fastest while being heavier, and less powerful. So, i think the 918 has the best power unit.
@@ksp3324 😂🤣
@@mohammedmazin4675 bullshit , porche is very underrated in terms of driving , P1 is more popular because of advertising , and 918 is more drivable on roads than P1 , and it also has 4wd and rear wheel steering , p1 just has more horsepower and a little better looking
@@ksp3324 best power to weight when it has the least power and is the heaviest ??💀💀💀💀💀
people dont understand cars are not about who is faster its about the felling when you drive it
if you have money to spend on a 918 you may have the 800k more to spend on a p1 this its no a mustang camaro discussion
+overkonark u need to understand that we r not pro-driver and we won't ever get to drive these cars so...feeling what?? numbers speak out...style, engine engineering and lap timing...all what we can know, from what we can read and see on internet...and what we could see was that only the 918 and the Aventador SV pubblished their time, P1 didn't but simply claimed a below-7mins lap time...why not posting them? indeed it is proved it was slower than 918, despite what they claimed to be the fastest Hypercar...well they proved to be slow compared to the other Hypercar...about the feeling...how ever can I/you get to know that??
okey if you never gonna drive one of those why are you coment? just go and do another shit
owners of p1's just drive on public roads maybe 3 or 4 time a year on a track and they cant drive fast enough soo what its the point?
+overkonark you still don^'t understand...P1 is SLOWER and MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE...can you get it?
until I don't see a official lap time around the nurburgring of the P1 the 918 remains faster on a track
Ditto.
Maybe they lost of the piece of paper on which the time was noted.. LOL..
Sriram Rao
yeah lol .. I have to admire porsche for just setting a time and be like "here you go beat this" .. and what you know.. Mclaren and ferrari probably still trying to beat that time
hultii maybe..
Race mode is not street legal, because the headlamps are to low...
so its not legal to drive on the Nürburgring Nordschleife.
So no official lap time. Easy...
918 WON....
Fairly obvious considering, it has more technology and traction. THE END
The P1 just took the edge when it had different tires. Put race tires in the 918 and the story changes once again. I am a fan of the P1, but the 918 is a superior track vehicle.
Sure doesn't sound like your a fan of the P1 when you have no back up argument for it.
***** denial, denial, denial ... 918 is the game changer, not the P1 ... and you will see this in future super car development, where the 918 is clearly the predecessor of a whole new generation. It's relevant like no other!
The 918 is a cabrio, they didn't even bother to use the roof, to make the car more aerodynamic. The P1 is just outclassed.
wolf bia Both the P1 and 918 bring new cards to the table in their own ways. There will really be no clear winner. It will all come down to opinion
One word : Regera!
Absolutely magnificent video EVO. Enjoyed every bit! The P1 is faster, but for the sake of engine sound, I'd take the 918 ANY DAY.
Immense
A few weeks later McLaren came up with another P1 powered by a F-18 super hornet jet engine. It stombed the previous time by 40 seconds.
Elaine Costa lol, I love your comment
Why not a rematch? Both get sticky tires a little bit of tweaking for the track and a professional racing driver that is neither british nor german. And then do a lap with the P1 in race mode and one with street legal settings
Yeah! ...that will be interesting to see difference between race mode and street legal!
honestly, I think would not be more than 0.5 sec on that lap.
You and I Pofan 0.5 sec is a lot on a track that small!
The presenter said that even with some tire pressure adjusting, they could get a better time with the 918, but they didn't try it because it was already faster than the McLaren. Then McLaren just shows up with another car and new tires.
The 918 is using sticky tires. Evo didn't mention it, both are using R compound tires. The 918 uses pilot sport cup 2's from Michelin, and the P1 uses Trofeo R's from Pirelli. They're equally matched. The Trofeo R tires are optional on the P1, that's why they put it in parentheses. . . But what's interesting is that this 918 was using the performance package, which is also optional, yet evo didn't put that in parentheses. Seems a little biased to me.
Maxawe Some The 918 was only one second slower.
How important is that one second.
Both cars .went much faster then anyone should want to go so one second faster means nothing.
There was no need .to see if it can go any faster
It was fast enough.
Oh man that is a sad day for McLaren. Now I see why they are hiding their 'Ring time for sure. Twas slower than a car that is heavier, and less powerful and wasn't at all going for right out pace.
it was faster with the proper tyres, AND he didn't use the buttons on the steering wheel
Rodrigo Pinto The P1? R compound tires aren't proper tires. As for the buttons on the wheel, those deploy automatically.
Rodrigo Pinto 918 beat the P1 with the same tires, and the P1 isn't street legal with the suspension setting they used.
spineboy Pirelli Corsas and MPSC2 are hardly the same tires, Pirelli Trofeos are more comparable to MPSC2. Eventually Porsche will probably come back with better compound tires and this race will go on forever.
Didn't you see the rest of the video, McLaren gave them some new tyres and it hammered the Porsche round the track.
Excellent video, guys.
I think what we've learnt is, if you want the fastest car, give it the stickiest rubber and a factory race support team.
So you let McLaren deliver a 'Special' car with new tires. Wow, That is some fair test. Let Porsche deliver 'another' car.
Both P1's were prototypes/mules before being converted. Nothing special about either car. They have been in many reviews and tests. Mileage is much higher to the 918 because this issue.
WARDofLORE Porsche don't care. They have an official 'ring time. Something the other 2 hybrid hypercars don't.
Khalid Ansari the havier, less powerful and cheaper german apple kicked the rotten british apple's ass...and you know what? tastes way nicer :)
Khalid Ansari indeed 918 is by far a better car...more torque and more effective to translate the power on the ground...
WARDofLORE Nothing is wrong with sending another car with Trofeo tires. But its funny how they took 3 weeks to send the other car. I'm sure they tuned it especially for Angelssey.
918 is still the winner here. They drove the laptimes with the top off on the 918 but they shit themselves because of the p1's tires? Conspiracy theory: they wanted a british car on top of the leaderboard.
Haha.
+Adrian Alfano P1 is still faster on any other track. Chris Harris just released a film with the Holy trinity ;)
+TobRacer sure, that's why McLaren won't release a laptime of the P1 on the Nürburgring ;) Also if you see Chris' video, again, Ferrari and Mc had huge teams there which adjusted things on the cars and told him how to drive it. Porsche had pretty much one guy there. Had they given him proper instructions, the Porsche had won once again, Even considering that Portimao is a very fast track with many flat-out sections and almost no curves or complex turns where the 918's superior handling would come to great importance.
+TobRacer In addition, watch HYPER 5 by salomondrin. There they tested P1 vs 918 vs LaFerrari vs Veyron SS vs Huayra and (SPOILER ALERT) the 918 won both quarter mile and around the track while the P1 came 3rd in both categories :D
+Adrian Alfano You have to understand that these two excel in different categories. The longer a Drag Race goes on, the more the P1 outclasses the 918. However, around a track, you will rarely find one with enough high speed straights for the P1 to stand a chance if the 918 takes at least a tenth in every single corner. The 918 is a Track Car, which is why they often don't even bother optimizing it in such tests: They know its performance on its own will speak for itself. McLaren always seem to react to the 918, better tires, changes in pressure, reruns in better conditions, the P1 can beat a 918, but only at optimal conditions. Still, they say the P1 went around the Nürburgring in under 7 minutes, so on 420 seconds, it can't have been more than a second slower than the 918, which won't find a track it feels more at home. If I were McLaren, I'd release a 6:59 with pride, not fiddle for the last 2 seconds because you can't accept that your car isn't meant to go around corners at the same speed. After all, it is then again faster in a straight line.
To be honest, i prefer the P1. I just love that twin turbo v8 sound. And the looks are so... Otherworldly in a way... Like a concept car off the paper (kinda like the i8). Although I also like the 918 it just looks like a Boxster and a Carrera GT had a child. Both amazing works of art but if I were given a choice I'd be taking a P1 please.
P1 is futuristic, over the top, and somewhat ugly. 918 looks futuristic as well, but also sleek, curvy and elegant. Give me a 918 over P1 anyday :)
Shayne B To each their own my friend.
Yes but more ppl agree with me :)
Shayne B Doesn't make it any less of an opinion :D
Nikorasu I think the main thing that kills the Mclaren for me (all Mclarens in fact) is how basic and boring the interiors are. The recently introduced a bespoke program so you can basically do w/e it is you want with the interior now, but that bland black interior.... Yuck. Nothing about it looks special. I have recently gotten over the "carbon fiber is cool" phase, just because it has exposed carbon all over doesn't mean it looks nice, or expensive. 918, Huayra, even LaFerrari with its stripped out look all manage to look head and shoulders better than the P1. And yeah the V8 sounds decent but on the interior where your gonna be driving it, you barely hear the V8, like he says, you get more of the turbo whine etc. On top of that, if you were to race a 918 spider over a period of 10 minutes you would eventually lose and be overtaken as the electric motors for the P1 can't even last a full lap at the nurburgring, let alone at a track day where you put in 10-20 laps.
That last scene where he was drifting the P1 looked amazing! What a shot!
Could be the shot of the year. Many have already said it. I does leave you speechless to some degree.
As they say, HOLY SMOKES!!!!
918 is the king of our era
p1 is faaasssterrr
Sergey Popov *Koenigsegg One:1 is the king of our era
They've only built 1 or 2 of those cars, and are planning on 6 more. It is not a hybrid. the 918 is faster 0-60, and 0-200KPH by half a second. So, not really
spineboy The Koenigsegg would still beat it on any track due to its 1:1 horsepower to weight ratio.
Davis McKinney waiting on track times, until then, just speculation
The scenes of the P1 drifting while blowing an amazing exhaust jet flame, priceless!
it seems like Porsche just send reviewers the ordinary retail version and McLaren send them a track adjusted version. And if McLaren isn't satisfied with the result, they deliver an readjusted version.
Elaine Costa nobody wrings performance out of a car like Porsche.....
Instead of understanding how McLaren has forced Porche to stay on its toes and on top of its game...and how McLaren considers the 918 to be the gold standard and what they are shooting for...they take sides and get divisive. Perhaps if Porche would have sent some support with the 918 they could change tires like McLaren did huh?
Maybe next time these arrogant engineers will take McLaren more seriously because they will do whatever it takes to beat the 918. Competition is good. SO COMPETE PORCHE!
How so? It had corsas instead of trofeo r and it was a an abused car, the left bank of the engine wasn't even working that well, cup 2 alone are 0.5 to 1 second per minute of track, trofeo r are 0.8 to 1.3 seconds per minute. So that alone should give you the difference on ability.
How putting a set of comparable tyres is that heavily adjusting a car, the P1 was quicker end of.
@@stuarth4296 whats a porch?
The Porsche is 140kg heavier, it has 30 or so less horsepower, it costs less then the P1. And it drove the lap with the roof off, so losing a bit of downforce there. The P1 is great don´t get me wrong about that but the car is good on a straight line and on track. That´s it. The Porsche is much more better. It sounds better, it has a proper interior and a nice one too, has a nearly 20 mile electric only range (P1: 7 miles) It´a better car on the road and not as jerky like the P1. It is nicer to drive, it accelerates from 0-100 km/h quicker, and it holds the Nurburgring record 6:57. McLaren are such babies for not telling the official lap times. But in summer there will be a new record around the Nurburgring. The Koenigsegg One:1 :)
Great points on all issues but I do disagree with some details. 918 is slightly heavier for several reasons. Regardless of what is said 918 isn't down on any power. The extra torque makes up for the claimed 140kg. Driver has panels off weight is slightly down. Full WS pack does remove the A/C and stereo which maybe model in video.
HL mode puts it even with P1 easily. Race mode may have 918 less hp then P1 still torque is higher in either mode. P1 does need aftermarket tires on track. No diff with this kind of power can be difficult to control. Traction control/ESP does help but better tires are needed to get to the limits.
This better talk is all subjective. 918 sounds very similar to 458/ Speciale. Interior should be better but seats positions aren't comfortable to most. Videos and some reviews say of too up right.
918 is 4WD so driving on road will be a little more balanced. Top Gear did say with computers off, 918 becomes a handful.
the porsche is 240 KG not 140..
You also forgot about one thing... All Wheel Drive.
The 140kg is right if you take off roof panels. P1 and LaFerrari are much heavier then quoted. Both were are over 1497kg in the weights I saw from owners.In their basic specs 140kg is still a good quote.It just depends on how each is optioned. The weights of each will vary. The P1 Carbon is the lightest P1. The weight claim doesn't apply to it.The 140kg difference is the complete WS pack.
Most have said 918 is the stiffest in most softest setting on street of the hybrids.In Top Gear review 918 did have issues in the hills with P1 and LaFerrari. 918 is the most well rounded of the 3 but isn't perfect on street.
Top Gear and others have said the same of 918 without electronics. I have a very nice review to back this up.
It seems all that torque does overwhelms the chassis.
www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-comparison-tests/features/a25128/legends-the-porsche-962-and-918-face-off-at-indy/
The Agera R will beat the fastest lap time for a production car in the nurburgring then Agera One:1 and then by the Regera!
There is nothing more painfull than to see P1 fans argue its faster than the 918 even though all the evidence pointing the other way. When they have to go so low as to pretend McLaren actually was faster than its arch rival the 918 around the ring, but for some mystical reason is the first auto company in history to wanna keep it secret by not revealing its time, well, then you know its full blown denial going on.
I can understand it though, the P1 is the most hyped car in a decade, so it must be infuriating that the Porsche just quietly releases a better car.
I somehow don't think McLaren will be infuriated.
They sold every single car for way over base price before the car was even launched.
Porsche are offering a discount on the 918.
We have to be very honest with both cars. Porsche bench marked the P1 with all these updates and tuning. The Mclaren models in video have yet to see any major tuning since built. 918 started under 800hp when first developed. Now we at near P1 hp. Even LaFerrari was in development far longer the P1. Hopefully Porsche keeps pushing Mclaren to update this P1. If they do just another thing to argue about. Mclaren P1 GTR program will last for 2 years. So please expect something new from Mclaren on this normal P1.
This Ring argument is endless. I can see why they aren't releasing their time. Knowing Porsche they'll tune a 918 to beat this time like Nissan. Mclaren did report a higher top end speed on last strait. Just on that note, How is 918 faster at the Ring??? NISMO vs 918 video says the Porsche is slower. No top end speed was reported but the video says a lot at the end.
www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/mclaren-p1-nurburgring-lap-time-video-2013-12-05
I'm a huge mclaren fan but I know the porsh is faster mainly because of its four wheel drive and possibly better electric engine but I'd still have the P1 because it looks like a hyper car, don't get me wrong the porsh is amazing but it doesn't look extravagant enough for and as for the Ferrari I wouldn't touch and that's not the cars fault but the picky, babyish terrible people who run the company! They are the 3 best hybrid cars out there and the difference between the 3 is minimal so it comes down to preference! I bet just through Ferraris actions on a number of these types of videos and not just with there flag ship model they have lost respect and customers! Typical touchy silly Italians!!!
@@martyndyson9501 whats a porsh?
@@M3Conv Who told you that info, all the 918 spyders were sold immediately after Porsche announced it, and the average price of 918 right now is about 2 million dollars; thats a 100% increase from the base price.
why did you have the roof off on the porsche 918s lap time? and why didn't it get a second lap with the roof on?
I was wondering about this as well, not only a second lap with the roof on, but a third as well with the roof on and similar Trofeo tires. I mean if I owned one, I would probably drive and race with the roof off whenever possible, but I would love to see how the aerodynamics of the 918 are being affected with it off. Did they do this purposefully because McLaren was present and they knew it would slow down the 918 a bit? Makes you wonder.
For lols.
1xtra299 The Trofeo R and Sport Cup 2 are very similar tires.
fanofb44
Not true.
Not even close.
There's about a 2 sec difference on a 1.5 mi track.
And the 918 Pilot cups are not even the ones you're thinking of. There eco tires.
Plus, Evo cheated and purposeful held back their initial results (where the 918 was 1.5 secs after eventually) to help McLaren safe face.
MSL525
Heres Pirelli describing the Trofeo R:
www.pirelli.com/tyre/gb/en/car/sheet-motorsport/pzero_trofeo_r.html?url=%3Fsubtype%3DMOTORSPORT%26category%3DTRACK%2BDAYS
Heres Michelin describing the Pilot Sport Cup 2:
www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-sport-cup-2#tab-tyres-benefits
Heres Pirelli describing the Corsa's:
www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-gb/car/find-your-tyres/products-sheet/pzero-corsa-system#/overview
The Trofeo's and Cup's sound pretty similar to me. And they have similar tread patterns. The Corsa's are much more conventional.
The last shot is soooo good, P1 decimating its tires with awesome display of power. Epic!
That slide at the end! The definition of BRUTAL!!
I would have the P1 any day over the 918. Such style and race like appearance. Drift ability at any speed. Super cool car.
Thanks to modern 1080p streaming capabilities, I've been constantly taking screenshots during the video. The videography is just sublime, no other word comes to mind, absolutely stunning beyond belief.
I've got goosebumps, 2 of the greatest cars on the road today, and with videography the likes of evo, a match that is award deserving, jalopnik ought to feature evo videos in their film festival.
I've seen everything now and my life is complete. Thank you so much evo and Jethro!, thank you!, thank you!, thank you!.
And to all the people here argueing whether the 918 is better than the P1 or the other way around; fuck you.
I know the 918 isnt as radical looking, but i like its looks better. Somehow the P1 looks like a Mazda supercar prototype or something. It looks a bit cheap (i'm talking strickly about design). And on top of that, the Porsche interior is top notch. They made it simple and light in weight, but it still looks like a proper, expensive interior..
Each to their own man but no shadow of a doubt if I shat money the P1 for me all day long
***** No need to be like that. To each his own and all that.
503cartel Doesn't look very good on the road. A bit kit-car when it's not sitting low.
Malc180s never seen one on the road but personally In design id take a gt3 over the 918..I dont like it one bit but it comes to personal preference man
***** absolutely man no right or wrong answers, and ye they sound and look sick
The sound of that p1 at 12:17...makes me cry tears of joy.
the 918 arrived on the track with no technical support and no spare tyres but still pipped the P1
That last shot of the P1 is the best automotive videoclip of 2014, no doubt!
In the end, as Jethro said...the P1 is maybe slightly better on the track, and the 918 is better on the road, but these cars are absolutely astonishing :)
Which seems to be exactly what both cars were aiming for overall.
That was just to appease McLaren. He was obviously having way more fun in 918.
If I had to chose to live with one of them and the LaFerrari, I would take the 918. It looks like a car you could drive every day
Mario Mucko well the 918 set a 6:57 on the nurburging and mclaren refuse to release the p1 time, it's fair to say it's probably slower and they are ashamed
***** not only that. According to Car & Driver
"And in case you missed it, the 918 Spyder is the first production car ever to break the seven-minute barrier at the Nürburgring. Not only that, but Porsche’s drivers say they were told to exercise caution and insist they could do better than the 6:57 they stamped into the record books."
There is more to come from Porsche if need be!
AND STILL THE UNDEFEATED, UNDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD PORSCHE 918 SPYDERRRRRRRRRRRRR.
+Ali Franklin LOL,you maybe off on some of your comments but the heavyweight is so true.
I see you haven't been around lately. In Chris Harris big test at Algarve the title went home to another car. Just recently the new ACR was faster on 2 tracks 918 had set laps record on. At Balocco last yr 918 couldn't top the lowly Huracan.
918 is a great car no one can't that, just claiming undisputed is really pushing it.
Jeffrey Williams Lol I know, I was just talking about the 918 compared to the P1 and LaFerrari
P1 beat it around Nunburg for like 20 secs LOL
GrabuljA TV They haven't released lap times because they fake ass bitches!
Ali Franklin Google it and find out ;)
it s that simple: if the p1 was faster than the 918 it would have an official nürburgring lap time.
Makes me laugh how mclaren come back with sticky tyres. Let porsche come back with some. See what happens. Still prefer the porsche. Mclaren looks like a kit car.
GaryDoctor1 Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2's are "sticky tires" both Pirelli Trofeos and MPSC2 are track oriented competition tires, so this was a fair comparison, definitely more fair than MPSC2 vs Pirelli Corsas.
CardiacAttack
No. The Pilot Sport Cup 2 are the exact equivalent to the Pirelli Pzero corsa, the Trofeos are more hardcore and semi slick, and that's not the only problem, the P1 came in with several engineers for setting several set of tires more hours of track time.... where as the porsche came in with just it one set of tires and no one, and managed to beat the P1 without it ROOF!!! the Porsche is the superior car both on road and in track, , of course there would be tracks in which the P1 would be faster but not many
InitialDAmine Jethro specifically mentioned in the video that neither Porsche or McLaren came to the track with any engineers, multiple sets of tires, and they didn't spend hours lapping the car. Ferrari came with engineers, multiple sets of tires, a racing driver, and lapped the car for 2 days when they were testing the 458 Speciale. That is what Jethro was referring to.
Pirelli Corsas are equivalent to the regular Pilot Sport Cups not Pilot Sport Cup 2s. Pilot Sport Cup 2s and Trofeos are both semi slick, dry weather, track oriented tires. The only reason McLaren decided to offer Trofeos is because their customers wanted them because the car was limited by the Corsas.
***** You need to watch the video again then because you completely misheard what Jethro said. He specifically mentioned that Porsche and McLaren didn't come with any engineers, drivers, etc. McLaren started offering Trofeos due to customer demand not because of a TH-cam video.
CardiacAttack Actually, the trofeo seems to be the grippier tire and by quite some margin... On the ferrari forums someone tried both and found the trofeos to be 1.5-2s faster on a 1min lap (ferrari 430 scuderia).
The 918 is half the price, double the tech probably with a much more hybrid powertrains, much more efficient, useable, all wheel drive and allwheel steering for all kinds of weather. It has recorded a record lap on the ring and has a much nicer interior than the p1.
£886K for the P1 compared to £712K for the Porsche + Wiessach pack is hardly half the price is it?
The 918 with the package is 930k while the p1 is 1.15m thats still a 220k difference in price i can get a 12c and a 918 for the price
If you managed to get your hands on a P1 you would have made a lot more than 220k profit. they were sold out they before they went on sale.
Porsche are still struggling selling all their 918's.
The most amazing thing about the P1 is that it actually uses the thinnest tires out of LaFerrari & 918. Although personally, I'd have the 918 as a car to drive on road, it just makes more sense. Which leaves the P1 as a track toy.
Michelin Pilot Cup 2 are the stickiest tires Michelin makes, only make sense to have the P1 to be on Pirelli Trofeo Rs, which are also Pirelli's stickest road tyres. Camaro Z/28 uses Trofeo Rs, it's completely street legal. Those who think otherwise need to learn about tyres.
Now all that's left is LaFerrari
And then the insane One:1 or what I'm calling it, The Megawatt
The Trofeo R are track tires and the Pilot sport cup2 are road legal tires..
Trofeo Rs are road legal track day tires just like the Pilot Spot Cup 2...
Those Trofeo R are also used on the Camaro Z/28.
All of them are street legal.
I can't wait to see the ONE. The power to weight ratio and aero is going to be insane
Who would wanna have Pirelli tires on there car, just look at the tires on F1 past seasons, Pirelli tires sux
Vanila Kung
I blame Bernie for that
The Porsche has no roof too! See what happens with IDENTICAL tyres, that'll give everyone a better idea of the performance =D
Exactly
No roof, the P1 had extra sets of tires while the 918 had one, and the P1 in race mode is not street legal (and it still lost round 1). This leads me to believe that McLaren is all hype no show. Still waiting on the nurburgring time..
Another win for the 918.
Brilliant video. I love Jethro, he has a deep passion for cars and is very good at descirbing what's it like to drive these amazing machines.
you had the roof off on the 918 for lap time...? the 918 is definitely faster than the p1. put the rough back on!
+Andrew Burke It's faster with the roof off, as tested.
+Team Spintop impossible, it's not faster for sure.
+Bernardo Bonixe tell that to Porsche
lmao! Dumbass
with the roof on it's defenitily faster, because the aerodynamica would be fucked if it's off.. even with your window wide open it would be slower, and costs more gasoline..
4:35 omg such a beast!
You can see by his face that he enjoyed the 918 more.
Just love the shot at the end - the monster all crossed up, billowing smoke and firing bits of shredded tyre at the cameraman. He'd be picking rubber out of his grin for hours :)
Simply the best automotive journalism in the world. Subscribed to the magazine since its launch and would never read another. My vote is more video content.
If only the 918 sounded like the Carrera GT.
yeah V10 with the exshaust behind your head will make some penis erectile disfunction madness(wtf lololol)!!!!!!
A 5.0L V10 would have gave this 918 a sound/song to be remembered. Still love what Porsche has done but sound out back is inline with a 458.
At least, its better than cheater mc sound
This is by far the best one single review video I have ever seen!
They're both wonderful, but I feel like the real enthusiast would like the P1 more. It's more attractive because of it's simplistic approach. RWD, not much to distract you in the interior, & just pure driver-focused bliss. It's not the "all-rounder", and for me that's a good thing!
... But, to each their own. Some like the 918 because it accomplishes more being the all-rounder, it's just not for me.
The reason why McLaren hasn't released the Nurburgring lap times of the P1 is because the P1 can't complete a single lap without stopping. I saw it on Chris Harris interview.
I don't recall him ever stopping
rs san LOL!! It can't complete a lap on a set of batteries bro , nothing to do with stopping , also they did say the P1 does it in less than 7 min ..
I love the P1 not just because of its mind bending speed, relentless cornering ability and lead anchor brakes; it's the look of it.
Looks like it has come from Star Wars thanks to that aero.
Form follows function.
Motor Trend also did a VS of these 2 cars and the 918 came out the winner, again...
Mark Speed6 Funny how the P1 is invited again like here. I guess we already know the results based off this video.
Mark Speed6 918 wins because P1 can't put it's power down like the 4 wheel 918.
***** The 918 would definitely be slower with trofeos, right? And it would totally be slower if it had a racing team behind it.
The 918 has been my dream car since it's release. Useable as an everyday driver, won't kill you when it rains, won't land you with the tyre bill from hell if you were to take it to a track, and the timeless design will age far better than the La Ferrari or P1. Hurrah for understated German excellence :D
That flame throwing drift at 4:36 Porsche can't replicate
now put the roof back on the 918, strap some R888 on and give it another go ;) ; amazing video anyway !
Nice to read the comments here (well, almost all :)) but no roof and lesser tires can grant a second to the P1. How come the 918 is so fast even if it is way heavier ? Well, just check the torque figures ... :) . The P1 is great, but for me the 918 is the better car, most of the time also the fastest one. And funny again, the one with more soul. Did I mention the daily usability and the price?
McLaren is a loser company, P1 was clearly slower and they couldn't take it !!! If 918 would use this tires , it would do 1.10. I like to see P1 on the Nurburgring with the official time, not the bullshit they did before. P1 shouldn't be allowed to switch ! What a bullshit test
M8 that is not a standard spider. It has been given some more tweaks and the porche had better tires in the first round.
firetruck20000 You are talking nonsense, Porsche wasn't tweaked at all, used standard tires , that's the fact ! Who would allow to bring tweaked P1 with race tire for a chance to better 918 ? This guys are fucking joke, Porsche 918 rules and that's the bottom line. Let P1 go and try to beat 918 at the Ring ! They will never do it.
Mark J
At the end of the day, for those that can afford these cars, both will be in thier collection as well as the LaFerrari and care less about which is faster.
No proof of anything you claim. Just because the p1 was faster on these tires doesn't mean the 918 would be. McLaren actually offered both tire options from the factory. The other p1 was just lower spec
Alex Zevallos 918 way superior ! Period
So what did the 918 do with the Trofeo tires??? Narrator says 918 could be even quicker with basic air pressure changes, and McLaren showed up with engineers and set of Trofeos. Why not honor same with Porsche?
Oh right, have to end with a positive note of British pride.... Yawn...
thechosendude either way I'd say they're equally quick...
Also that P1 was a press car
McLaren didn't show up with engineers. (Ferrari sent them with their car) they sent another P1 with Trofeo tires. . And the sport cup 2's on the Porsche are no slouches either.
+Xan ny. There are too many variables from driver to track to state that emphatically...end of story.
+Xan ny. Good gracious bro! the P1 did as well. (remember the video) But we don't (as far as I know) have the EXACT times of either car.
But I'll give you this though, with it's all wheel drive it can likely exit a corner faster, but if the track has a substantial straight, then the P1 will make up those few thousandths of a seconds with its ability to reach its top speed quicker. See video titled "McLaren P1 vs. Porsche 918 Spyder vs. Ducati 1199 Superleggera - drag race" The Porsche got SMOKED!
Absolutely in love with the looks of the P1
Talking and driving these cars on the edge deserves respect. Amazing review!
Porsche. Because german engineering.
Shame they didn't use a standard 918 and had to use a Weissach edition haha! Failing to realise that the Mitchellin Cup 2 tyres of the 918's was at an advantage in the first place in comparison to the P1's standard Pirelli's
Err the UTQG rating for the michelin PSC2 is 180. The P1 uses Trofeo R or Corsa which are rated at a much, much softer 60 or 80. Most people regard the MPSC2 as a less sticky tire, and the P1 has slower times with them.
Besides - same tires, same driver, the 918 is faster than the P1 on the Grand Tour on Amazon.
doesnt McLaren have v12 engine designed by bmw?
You talking about F1 lm
FINALLY someone know the TRUTH
Porsche is king on the track. I laugh at these silly attempts of beating Porsche without cheating. Why haven't the other two challengers post a lap time at the ring? Porsche were the first in line to take on the ring without hesitation. That was 2 years ago. What are they waiting for? I guess, they realised 918 was too quick around the ring. Even if they manage to break the record it'll mean jack shit. Ferrari should stick to F1 and McLaren ought to compete with car companies like Koenigsegg.. Porsche operates on an entirely different level.
+Zoro San The Porsche may be slightly faster on a track, but there's not going to be much difference. Very similar performance.
+Nick White its only faster on very tight tracks with lots of elevations etc that enable it to gain the grip adavntage of the RWD guys. Other than that the P1 has better downforce, better handling etc etc and speed but the 918 has the traction advantage especially exiting corners.
+James Lovett P1 better handling? Lol. No reviewer in the world ever said that.
+James Lovett keep in mind that we're comparing a road legal against a road ILLEGAL car, that fact alone makes the 918 win. I like all cars, I'm not a fanboy of any brand but the Porsche wins it by a long shot.
Watch chris harris' vids. The p1 is the better car for everything besides the traction out of corners etc....and its more analogue than the 918.
Sure,P1 looks better,or more futuristic,atleast,but did you saw 918 doing launch control? :D man,I would take German over British any day
***** Thats like saying I dont want M5 because 116i had failures...This is a high end Porsche hypercar...and German cars are one of the best,they are safe,comfortable,fast,sophisticated,made of great materials and yes,they are reliable,i dont believe statistics more than experienced mechanics...Car manufacturers have good and bad models,some models are bad with certain engines,some transmission etc. while every one of them seek for tweaks and polishing every model,i heard stories only about German companies retreating some models because of failures...
***** k. lol
aleksandarfriscic everyone is can have their opinion even if its faulty
This guy is the new Chris Harris. Video quality is massively improved. I'm really impressed with this content compared to the videos you previously made.
The most impressive thing about either of these cars to me is the 4.6L N/A engine in the 918 making 608hp. Thats just nuts.
4:35 has to be the most epic shot of a moving car in the history of car videos. Fuck me the P1 is ungodly.
4:54 close second.
6:47
4:36 most epic
this video was so fantastic it makes me cry happy tears :') that shot at the end omfg
gave me the chills when the p1 showed some burnouts in the end. wow. mclaren p1.
So you're going to use the P1 in a non street legal race setting and special delivery tires after the fact to compete against the same 918 you buy from the showroom? Come on EVO. If you're going to compare them, compare them.
Please... 918 wins hands down ! Not only is it faster in an apples to apples competition, it looks better, sounds better, way more comfortable and everyday usable, and cheaper.
Brent Osachoff yes agreed
Pretty sure the Sport Cup 2 has a treadwear rating of 180 while Trofeo is rated at 60. Trofeo is much softer / stickier.
Both tires have slick areas in their designs. The only really difference is the R are softer not sticker.
Softer tires are generally stickier.. otherwise, there's no reason to run the softer tires since they wear out so much quicker. The treadwear comparison is not exact, but it means one roughly last 3x as long.. for comparison, a Pilot Super Sport has a treadwear rating of 300. A Hoosier R6 is rated at 40. At 60, that's pretty close to the Hoosier.
Let's look at the the Nitto NT01 and Toyo R888. Both are very similar in design but will last a little longer then this Pirelli R's. Both have a 100 tread rating. The NT05 is probably the best of both worlds. AS much grip as any R tire and out last pretty much any tire in it's class.
The rating is based on what the factory says. These Trofeo R could be lower. I mean they have been rating the P 0 Corsa at 60 for yrs. The 80 rated Cups on the last Z06 would easily out grip them on track.
Jeffrey Williams I have ran the NT-01 at the track. As you said, it is rated at 100. And then you compared that to say Hoosier R6. The R6 has quite a bit more grip. I agree when they are within the range, the threadwear rating might not be the exact indication (say, compare something that's rated at 80 vs. 60, etc.) But when it is 180 vs. 60, I think it is safe to say that the one rated at 60 is stickier. I have not personally tried the Trefeo myself, bu I have tried the like of Pilot Sport 2 (220 rating), AD-08 (180 rating).. and those tires are basically high performance street tires. When using them at the track, there's really no comparison, when compared to the NT-01.. and then, the next step, the R6. The "Sport Cup 2" that's rated at 180 isn't really like the Sport Cup from before.. it is really just a high performance street tires.. not really a track tire. (Sure, you can use them on the track. But they are not track tires..)
Eric Jan
Great to here you have used those Nitto's. I have been looking at them for a few months.
Hopefully some more track battles to reveal the true differences in these tires.
Germany don't have to prepair to race.... we say ok start. You loose and then you loose
we don't have to try 5 type of tiers
der deutsche Nationalismus kehr wieder in den Kommentaren zurück! Hilfe!
But kannst du englisch ? Or no?
Loose then lose?
closing scene is insane
4:35 This vehicle is so...*"otherworldly"*. Forget about the Porsche 918, or the Ferrari laferrariaf, THIS, MONSTER made my son cry when one went past us on the street. I don't think he was scared by the EPIC and loud exhaust symphony, I think it was just the overall futuristic menacing loook it has, truly a video game car...only made REAL!
Forget the second lap on the P1 and send footage of the original laps to ms Jennifer Clarkson, she'll want to know.
The Porsche made the P1 look bad.
This is a small track that actually favors the 918 setup not P1. Both did well IMO. Nothing was gained or lost here.
Jeffrey Williams yeah unlike the large track called nürburgring where the.. oh right P1 looked bad as well. it's no good on a short track and it's no good on a long track.
swunt10
Although no time was released. Many say P1 Ring video is 1 on the best out. Car flying around landing like airplane. Drifting at over 1/2 throttle in a very tight turn. What more could you ask for???
Video on here of NISMO vs 918 shows our beloved Porsche even with a lesser car on the back strait. Of course the 918 had a faster time but seemed a little tired at the end. Mclaren did post a better top speed as reported by Top Gear.
www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/mclaren-p1-nurburgring-lap-time-video-2013-12-05
Jeffrey Williams I have never read such a drivel in my entire life.
swunt10
Mclaren did release more drivel as you say. More details of Ring lap,specs and claimed numbers.
Porsche didn't release any real Ring specs other then the time.I'm still waiting on their drivel too.
www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/288340/mclaren_p1_price_specs_and_nurburgring_video.html
One of the best car videos of all time imo, and a real myth buster, because prior to this video everyone (ie Top Gear, etc.) had us believing that the 918 was the poor cousin of the Holy Trinity☝️
For the last time: the Trofeo tires ARE STREET LEGAL! They are not racing tires, and they have a similar tread to the Pilot Sport Cup 2's on the 918. That being said, I love both cars.
Porsche 918 Spyder has shown its value at Nürburgring with a laptime of 6:57. Therefore is the most balanced and developed among hybrid hypercar. P1 and La Ferrari are great cars, but they have to prove at Nürburgring what are made of. Till then Porsche 918 Spyder remains at the top of the "hybrid hypercars" food chain.
;-)
The cheapest of all three, yet the most advanced one.
Yeah it maybe the cheapest but they are making far more then Mclaren or Ferrari. If anything Porsche is losing money on this 918. Add up R&D and other issues they easy double Mclaren budget on the P1. So it's Mclaren doing more with far less.
Ferrari’s gotta make a Nürburgring lap with the LaFerrari, it’s the only one without one. The P1 has the P1 LM with 6:43, 918 Spyder with 6:57, and no Ferrari.
Imagine slick tires, lowered, and with a roof. I guess that what the rs model should be to compete with P1 in which it would annihilate it. 918 was designed for a different purpose.
If Porsche did the same thing McLaren did, a rivalry would be begin. I wouldn't mind, better products would be the result.
The Porsche already had Semi Slick Tires on it.
Yes the McLaren seems to be designed more for track use than the 918 but their main job is to be a road car. The 918 takes it by just a smudge in my opinion but I would take the P1 any day.
Both cars look absolutely stunning
All in all it was a good review, nice to see how much he loves the experience of driving those cars, not taking it for granted like many others do.
why didnt this show up in my subscriptions?!
Yeah whats up with that?? Its unlisted.. maybe it wasnt meant to be released yet?
so confused
*****
in mine it showed up :)
because youtube detected that you cant afford.
so much what even in one comment.
this comparison is totally unfair, since the Porsche 918 lapped without a roof, and since the aerodynamic is so important, without a roof it can lose about 1 second in one lap.
my conclusion:
long drag race: the P1 wins.
short drag race: the 918 wins.
Circuit: the 918 wins.
what do you think guys?
Not having a roof helps with weight, which is something the 918 needs desperately
This is, I think, the best automotive video on the interwebs.
Everyone I hear reviewing the P1 and the 918 and the LaFerrari refer to the other two. I would like to hear more about how the amazing Koenigsegg One:1 stacks up amongst its peers.
Well since only like 6 were built it doesn't really qualify as a production car.
I think the 911 Turbo s with trofeo r is every bit quick as P1 on P zero corsa.
So the 918 is cheaper, has more equipment, and FASTER than the P1.
So in truth McLaren had to cheat to beat the 918?! Just what I expected! To be fair you need to give some Trofeo tyres to the Porsche.
The worst part about this was the Ferrari was and hasn't been a part of this.
With that being said this was the BEST documentary, review, comparison I've ever seen done on TH-cam.
I was actually stunned the 918 did as well as it did. I'm happy for Porsche.
I have the Trofeo R tires on my Porsche Turbo, trust me the Trofeo R are basically slicks with some slats cut into it
Even though Jethro says the McLaren is driveable, he is remarkably good at staying on the edge of the cars performance, he drives like a God.
Thank you Evo and Jethro.
Again, tight track with low speed straight line won't gain advantage for P1 especially with Corsa. The 918 got a softer damper feel due to more weight but the front wheel helps pull the car out of understeer and the Cup 2 gain advantage for tights. The result is clear, P1 beat 918 after using Trofeo T. Tight tracks are tire battle.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 LaFerrari did 1:12.1 with Pzeros + being RWD, how did that happen??
Ronny Leeway I can't tell, I have to watch the video first.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 that is just ridiciulous! who gives a damn about the god damn lenght of track. the p1 is a car made for the race track and this is a race track, so it is obviously a shame for mclaren that it is slower than the 918 which isn´t that track focused after all. also, why would mclaren not say the ring time? if what you say is true, the ring would fit the p1 way better than the 918, but it obviously wasn´t faster than the p1 otherwise they would say. No argument there.
Never.Stop.Traveling. Every sports car are mad for race track, but there's different type of track on earth. The P1 computers clearly unable to manage wheel speed differential quicker than limited slip, the "non anti roll bar" clearly not working with 903 hp, and makes it to leave a turn slower. Oh yes, McLaren posted P1 ring time, 7:12. A big fail. Even GTR Nismo beats it.
Never.Stop.Traveling. The technical tracks are a tire battle. Let's look at recent posted VIR Z06 Vs 918 video. It maybe different drivers but Z06 edges 918 in the grip area.All recent US tests prove this claimed massive grip. Those Cup2 are bigger then 918 tires.Z06 can exit any corner just as fast or faster then 918 with similar drivers. Only in the straits can it pull away.
The Trofeo allows P1 to exit corners like 918.The Ring does favor the P1 like LaFerrari. Only a few slow corners. P1 down force advantage will be in full effort. Don't expect a time released because they have did so with 12c or 650S. The Sport Auto driver did lap 12c at Ring with Mclaren at track side not in driver seat.
Why was the Porsche not driven with the roof on?
Maybe to save some weight. Some did ask him on tweeter. He really didn't give a clear answer. The track isn't very big.
I would say not having roof may have hurt time some but since he didn't drive we don't know.
Stunning.... absolutely stunning cars! and thats my opinion based on a 720p video and a cheap headset... must be awesome to experience them first hand.
I'd take the P1 all day, I know there's A BUNCH of Porsche fan boys on here, enjoy the 918 when you win the lottery. For me the P1 is so much more beautiful to look at. Still sounds amazing. I'm hooked
So the Porsche is faster, is a convertible, has more luxuries, feels better to drive, is cheaper... those damn German ingeneers never cease to impress me!
Ferrari are such bitches with their cars, they wont let you test their hypercar against these two, and they bring half the staff anytime anyone with influence test their car, not to mention they are almost always double the price of their competitors. The gt3 is just about as fast and cost about half the money as the speciale. Porsche is much more open with their cars, they state their ring time and they under rate their 0 to 60 times.
Rather than writing bullshit ask yourself why..
do you think that Ferrari has become what it is thanks to the Enzo Ferrari face???
Or maybe for the nice horse?
Ferrari doesn't have to prove anything..
their history talk...their wins and firstly.. Ferrari CARS
Who knows why when the real drivers (or real tester) try the Ferrari are always amazed..
are always better than the competitor (and when are not the best ..are however very close to the best).
All paid by Ferrari right?
Like when every british (not italian) magazine (Evo, Autocar, Fifth Gear..etc etc) compared the 458 vs 12c.. who win?
lazios Thats the point the ferrari race cars and ferrari press cars are completly different than the machines given to justin beiber that catch on fire. Which at the end of the day we all know that they get away with it because of who their buyers are anyways. Ferrari is shortly to be split from the Fiat group and the valuation on the company is abismal.
Who win? lol
TheBIGJake111 1.12.1 Matt's LF by EVO Jethro Bovington (on 3000k miles Pirelli Zero Corsa)1.12.4 918 by EVO Jethro Bovington on fresh Michelin Sport Cup 21.12.6 Mclaren P1 by EVO Jethro Bovington on fresh Pirelli Zero Corsa.
I thought there wont be any car at any time to challenge the throne of F1, but P1...oh boy...its on all new level.
918 can be quicker off the line,but nothing beats the raw power, mechanical feeling, and auditory bliss of a P1...
What's remarquable also, is the 458 Speciale, it almost matches those monstrous hypercars :)
"Trofeo R tires don't make a car that much faster" said Camaro fanboys. Well would you look at what happens when you use Trofeo Rs.
The tires alone don't make a car faster. The P1 lower setup allows better tires to make it faster in the corners.
Z28 has a very nice setup to allow the R tires to be used properly. This 918 will need some tuning, if better tires are installed. Motor Trend did a test with Z28 R tires on 1LE model. Results were very mixed.
Jeffrey Williams Motortrend slapped the z28 tires on a 1LE without any tuning. Of course the results were mixed. Point is, so long as the car is setup for the specific tire, an R compound version of the tire will bring significant gains.
ewt415
Motor Trend did what Mclaren here. Like you said tires were slapped on. P1 wasn't retuned like all are claiming. Pro-active chassis adjusts on speeds and cornering. Only thing techs did here was change tire pressures after a few laps. Both P1 models in video have many miles so neither isn't even close to being new.
No updates haven't been given to P1 like Porsche has done this 918.
Much like Z28, the P1 can handle any tire upgrade even slicks.
Jeffrey Williams The P1 wasn't RE-tuned, but it was set-up from the beginning for those specific Trofeo Rs, as in those specific trofeo R were developed with the P1 in mind, and vice versa. If you slap on the Z28's tires onto the P1, it wouldn't yield the same result, even though they are technically both Trofeo Rs. That's what I'm getting at here.