Join this channel to get access to perks: / @knifechatswithtobias In this episode I take a look at the Joker NO00 Sevillana, a classic Spanish Navaja in Olive Wood.
The fron bolster is call VIROLA includes the window of the CARRACA system of security; the tail metal part is called the REBAJO and is one of the most beautiful insignia parts of the spanish classical knives. Thanks for the video Tobias.
Classic Spanish fighting knife. James Loriega's book, Sevillian Steel: The Traditional Knife-Fighting Arts Of Spain, discusses the use of these in great detail. An excellent tome. I *think* Loriega mentioned the ratcheting as a way of warning an opponent, required by law.
Loriega studied under a Spanish Master. In the book, he states a simple Navaja may only have one locking notch, but a traditional Sevillian may have nine or more, and when opened rapidly has the distinctive clicking sound, hence the Carraca nickname, but I am not seeing any reference to legal requirement, so I may have read/heard that elsewhere. Peter Woodward talks about the Navaja here at 13:08 - th-cam.com/video/r4xSLkVows4/w-d-xo.html
I think that what American collectors think are imperfections in knives is based on the ideas of American designs they are used to seeing. The idea of a small amount of clearance on the wood handles could reduce the chances of the wood cracking. Wood can swell from humidity and if the fit is to tight the wood will split. Other cultures have different ideas than Americans ideas, that doesn’t make them wrong just different than someone else’s. Even in different places in America, the culture is different. This Spanish blade design has no blade kick and the blade rests on the edge inside on a brass pin, it’s intended too. The idea is, as the blade wears from sharpening it prevents the blade from having a proud or exposed point. French designs are like this too. It isn’t wrong, just not how Americans and others make their knives. Billions of people eat with chopsticks; does that mean using a fork is wrong? 🤔
All very excellent points. As I mentioned in another reply, When you look a the knife as a whole, it is fantastic. I'll definitely be grabbing another one!
@@KnifeChatswithTobias I think they are interesting knives too. I have one like you have and a smaller one four and half inches long NAO1 with bull horn scales. Mine have the same slight spaces as yours.In both sizes.
Yeah Tobias I like Joker knives quiet a bit!!!!! I have just 2 of them but very good knives for what you pay!!! I have a feeling your enjoy that piece!!!!!! Stay well buddy talk soon
Fantastic knives. My joker Avispa knifes , one is scandi grind and the other is flat. They're in 14 c28n. Tried and tested hard use knives! I have not tried their pocket knives yet! I think you're going to love that one! Great video!!👍👍🤠🤠🍺🍻😎😎
Hi, Tobias, I am from Spain and I have severa folders in this style (obviously). The rarchet is not forbidden, but it was usually reserved for much larger knives (which are no longer legal to carry). And the ratchet is a series not only of little bumps like the Okapi style you have there, but a series of full safety stops, so from the first click of the rartchet, the knife is actually safe, as long as the lever is left alone. Thank you for your reviews. T
I like the look of this knife and the other ones in the slide show. As you say, “Jerezana” means “from Jerez,” and “Sevillana” means “from Sevilla” (“Seville” in English). These are different cities, but perhaps similar knives were made in both of them. Jerez is, by the way, the home of sherry, the drink. “Sherry” is an English corruption of the name “Jerez.” Spanish has (at least) two words for “knife,” “cuchillo” and “navaja.” I’m not sure of the exact differences between these terms, but the sort of knife that would be in a table setting is generally called a “cuchillo,” and a pocket knife is usually called a “navaja.” The most popular explanation of why the Native Americans who call themselves “Dine” are called “Navajo” in Spanish and English is that when colonizers met the Dine, they carried big knives (“navajas”), so the Spanish started calling them “Navajos,” meaning “Knife People.” That may or may not be accurate. I’m not a knife scholar like you, Tobias, but I do know Spanish.
Navajo was the Spanish name given to the Diné people of the Southwestern States. Sevillana is also Spanish term for Switchblade, and probably refers to the knives from that region of Spain (Seville). It is all very interesting. I’ve got so much to learn about these knives.
Cuchillo - Knife Cuchillos - Knives Navaja - Folding Knive or Pocket Knife The term "navaja" refers to any knife which can be folded on an axis. Regardless of size. Depending on the place of manufacture, each city has its own concept of a "navaja". They all derive from the bandolier knife "navaja bandolera", popular in the 18th century. At that time swords were prohibited, which proliferated the use of "navajas", used mostly to commit crimes and assaults. As information, the finish, fit and number of decorations indicated the social level of the person who wore it. The sound of the "carraca" was not used to warn the opponent to be armed, but to demoralize and terrify the opponent. In some cases it was used as a deterrent method. Over time, needs have changed and new variants have emerged, such as the shepherd's knife (navaja pastora) or "navaja capadora" used to castrate cattle. Greetings from the north of Spain.
funny thing, i always thought navaja was a specific design from spain, but its just spanish for knife or razor. i found this out about a year and a half ago on aapk
That is quite correct. And it is very difficult to track down the exact pattern for this style of Spanish knife. Several makers from different regions of Spain made similar knives and all had a slightly different name it seems. I need to do a lot more research. This is why I’m going with Joker’s name (Sevillana) which is actually Spanish “switch blade!”
@@KnifeChatswithTobias i got into a really heated argument with a woman over this on facebook so i went and found out the truth of it and shared the link to the argument. never heard anymore about it after that
Buenos días desde España. La cuchillería clásica española tiene muchos modelos de navajas de gran calidad y belleza: Albaceteña, sevillana,Bandolera,Pastora,etc. Una de las navajas más bonitas, en mi opinión, es el modelo Pastora de la marca Celaya con cachas de asta de toro.un saludo
It will probably hang with my other powderhorns. But I migfght have to get a second or third as I could use one with the Olive Woods and I really want this one in the pocket for more that just a little time!
I do like this! If I ever get back to Spain, I’ll need to look out for these knives. I’ll bet they’re a lot cheaper there. Much classier than the Lionsteel Gitano, plus I love Spanish guitar music.
It clearly shows the Persian origin and the Morish influences. A lot of history in one knife. Yes there are some gaps between the handle and the spring (although it's not a spring but a friction folder, but i didn't know how to call it), but nothing serious. Pretty secure lock-up. Did i mention it looks awesome? Oh well thank you Tobias.
De Persia no,los Persas no estuvieron en España,algo de herencia morisca puede,pero la navaja española se crea en el siglo XVl y los árabes fueron expulsados siglo XV y los árabes usan puñales no navajas,es una navaja española puede que con algo de apariencia arabe nada mas .
I got 4 spanish navajas, one cudeman, 2 joker and another one from an unknown artisan. The last one was my kitchen knife for almost thirty years till I replaced it for a joker one when realized I was cutting onions with a piece of history. the handmade one have horn scales and the replacement olive scales. The latter improves the grip when the hand is wet much better than the horn scales. Again, beauty and functionality working together! the shape of the blade of your jerezana reminds me a bowie knife...and something arabic aswell. Could be a link between them or is just a cutlery case of convergent evolution?
Most people do assume that this style of knife may have migrated from the Ottomans either through the Roman/Byzantine Empire or via trade through Morocco/North Africa. Either way, Spain made them famous and spread the pattern throughout the world.
Also remember that Bowie was married with a mexican woman and mexicans used this clip point knives and folding knives from the times of the colony, he may knew them from his family in law and got the inspiration. Spaniards created this kind of knives dexades, perhaps 100 years before Bowie's time and there is a lot prubes of this in spain.
@@angelojeda2146 Jim Bowie did not marry until he moved to Texas. He met his wife after moving there. The sand bar fight was several years earlier. I have heard this theory on several occasions. In reality the clip point and large fighting knives date to well before Columbus coming to America.
Yep it's pronounced the way you pronounced it first i.e. ''seviyana''. By rights Albacete is pronounced ''albathetay'' rather than ''albasetay'' too, as it's Castillian rather than Latin American Spanish. I'm not Spanish btw but speak both varieties of it. I have a nice little olive handled slipjoint from Joker, also in MoVa 1.4116, which is very well made considering how much I paid for it.
Thanks for the additional info, Simon. I have a rudimentary understanding of how certain letters are pronounced but my ability to get it the correct accent and emphasis is truly lacking.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias No worries Tobias, you know a heck of a lot more about knives than I do and pronouncing Castillian correctly isn't really essential for that lol. I enjoy your content a lot, keep it coming. Best regards from the UK.
Soy Español y me encanta que se interesen por nuestra cultura. Para que sepais la navaja fue muy usada en peleas y asesinayos en España ya que las espadas fueron prohibidas para la gente comun asi que se urilizaba la navaja, dicen que la navaja fue de los gitanos y es mentira porque les condenaban a muerte si tubieran una asique ellos utilizaban las tijeras ya que eso si podian usar
Hello there, thank you for putting out interesting knife content and bringing attention to the classic patterns.
Glad you're enjoying it! Thanks for watching!
The fron bolster is call VIROLA includes the window of the CARRACA system of security; the tail metal part is called the REBAJO and is one of the most beautiful insignia parts of the spanish classical knives. Thanks for the video Tobias.
Thanks for this additional information. I’m learning so much about this style of knife. I really appreciate it. I will add this to all my other notes.
Classic Spanish fighting knife. James Loriega's book, Sevillian Steel: The Traditional Knife-Fighting Arts Of Spain, discusses the use of these in great detail. An excellent tome. I *think* Loriega mentioned the ratcheting as a way of warning an opponent, required by law.
I have heard this thing about the ratcheting but most assume that to be a myth. I will need to find a copy of his book! Thanks for the lead.
Loriega studied under a Spanish Master. In the book, he states a simple Navaja may only have one locking notch, but a traditional Sevillian may have nine or more, and when opened rapidly has the distinctive clicking sound, hence the Carraca nickname, but I am not seeing any reference to legal requirement, so I may have read/heard that elsewhere. Peter Woodward talks about the Navaja here at 13:08 - th-cam.com/video/r4xSLkVows4/w-d-xo.html
Great video of a great knife. Looking forward to the follow up.
Haven’t heard of these until today- really cool knife! Will have to research…don’t have anything like it. thanks!
They are on of my faves. I’d love to get a 19th century example in good condition but the price tag in America is currently beyond my reach.
Excellent video made even better by the comments and responses!
I have learned quite a bit from the comments.
Sorry i missed the live. I have that one & it's one of my favorites. I keep it next to my chair.
No sweat! Thansk for joining Kitty's Corner, Buddy. This is one that I want multiples of for sure. I really want one to carry.
I think that what American collectors think are imperfections in knives is based on the ideas of American designs they are used to seeing. The idea of a small amount of clearance on the wood handles could reduce the chances of the wood cracking. Wood can swell from humidity and if the fit is to tight the wood will split. Other cultures have different ideas than Americans ideas, that doesn’t make them wrong just different than someone else’s. Even in different places in America, the culture is different.
This Spanish blade design has no blade kick and the blade rests on the edge inside on a brass pin, it’s intended too. The idea is, as the blade wears from sharpening it prevents the blade from having a proud or exposed point. French designs are like this too.
It isn’t wrong, just not how Americans and others make their knives.
Billions of people eat with chopsticks; does that mean using a fork is wrong? 🤔
All very excellent points. As I mentioned in another reply, When you look a the knife as a whole, it is fantastic. I'll definitely be grabbing another one!
@@KnifeChatswithTobias I think they are interesting knives too. I have one like you have and a smaller one four and half inches long NAO1 with bull horn scales. Mine have the same slight spaces as yours.In both sizes.
Very cool! The blade style reminds me of large Buck fixed blade hunting knives like the 119 and 120.
Yeah Tobias I like Joker knives quiet a bit!!!!! I have just 2 of them but very good knives for what you pay!!! I have a feeling your enjoy that piece!!!!!! Stay well buddy talk soon
Fantastic knives. My joker
Avispa knifes , one is scandi grind and the other is flat. They're in 14 c28n. Tried and tested hard use knives! I have not tried their pocket knives yet! I think you're going to love that one! Great video!!👍👍🤠🤠🍺🍻😎😎
Hi, Tobias,
I am from Spain and I have severa folders in this style (obviously). The rarchet is not forbidden, but it was usually reserved for much larger knives (which are no longer legal to carry). And the ratchet is a series not only of little bumps like the Okapi style you have there, but a series of full safety stops, so from the first click of the rartchet, the knife is actually safe, as long as the lever is left alone.
Thank you for your reviews.
T
Please check the J. J. Martínez "Cabritera" with stag handles...
I’ll do that!
Don't ya get it. The cork screw is to open the wine to go with your fried mushrooms.
Yummy!
I like the look of this knife and the other ones in the slide show.
As you say, “Jerezana” means “from Jerez,” and “Sevillana” means “from Sevilla” (“Seville” in English). These are different cities, but perhaps similar knives were made in both of them. Jerez is, by the way, the home of sherry, the drink. “Sherry” is an English corruption of the name “Jerez.”
Spanish has (at least) two words for “knife,” “cuchillo” and “navaja.” I’m not sure of the exact differences between these terms, but the sort of knife that would be in a table setting is generally called a “cuchillo,” and a pocket knife is usually called a “navaja.”
The most popular explanation of why the Native Americans who call themselves “Dine” are called “Navajo” in Spanish and English is that when colonizers met the Dine, they carried big knives (“navajas”), so the Spanish started calling them “Navajos,” meaning “Knife People.” That may or may not be accurate.
I’m not a knife scholar like you, Tobias, but I do know Spanish.
Navajo was the Spanish name given to the Diné people of the Southwestern States.
Sevillana is also Spanish term for Switchblade, and probably refers to the knives from that region of Spain (Seville). It is all very interesting. I’ve got so much to learn about these knives.
Cuchillo - Knife
Cuchillos - Knives
Navaja - Folding Knive or Pocket Knife
The term "navaja" refers to any knife which can be folded on an axis. Regardless of size.
Depending on the place of manufacture, each city has its own concept of a "navaja".
They all derive from the bandolier knife "navaja bandolera", popular in the 18th century. At that time swords were prohibited, which proliferated the use of "navajas", used mostly to commit crimes and assaults.
As information, the finish, fit and number of decorations indicated the social level of the person who wore it.
The sound of the "carraca" was not used to warn the opponent to be armed, but to demoralize and terrify the opponent. In some cases it was used as a deterrent method.
Over time, needs have changed and new variants have emerged, such as the shepherd's knife (navaja pastora) or "navaja capadora" used to castrate cattle.
Greetings from the north of Spain.
@@pedrosaiz2064¡Saludos, Pedro!
Браво, Тобиас! Я тоже коллекционирую ножи. Такая наваха у меня есть...
Thank you. I really like this knife as well. Nice to know that someone else also has it and likes it.
funny thing, i always thought navaja was a specific design from spain, but its just spanish for knife or razor. i found this out about a year and a half ago on aapk
That is quite correct. And it is very difficult to track down the exact pattern for this style of Spanish knife. Several makers from different regions of Spain made similar knives and all had a slightly different name it seems. I need to do a lot more research. This is why I’m going with Joker’s name (Sevillana) which is actually Spanish “switch blade!”
@@KnifeChatswithTobias i got into a really heated argument with a woman over this on facebook so i went and found out the truth of it and shared the link to the argument. never heard anymore about it after that
Definitely Spanish muslim influence in the style. Especially the one with the moon and star designs. I think. Interesting knives.
Buenos días desde España. La cuchillería clásica española tiene muchos modelos de navajas de gran calidad y belleza: Albaceteña, sevillana,Bandolera,Pastora,etc. Una de las navajas más bonitas, en mi opinión, es el modelo Pastora de la marca Celaya con cachas de asta de toro.un saludo
Gracias por la sugerencia. buscare el modelo pastora del Celaya
That is the classical pocket knife used by thieves in Sevilla (south Spain) since, I think, 17th or 18th century, or maybe even before.
Yep. one of my favorite styles of knives
Very interesting presentation of an historic knife design, a smaller version of the traditional fighting knife
Where will you place that knife in your collection, olive wood, navaja, or something else?
It will probably hang with my other powderhorns. But I migfght have to get a second or third as I could use one with the Olive Woods and I really want this one in the pocket for more that just a little time!
I do like this! If I ever get back to Spain, I’ll need to look out for these knives. I’ll bet they’re a lot cheaper there. Much classier than the Lionsteel Gitano, plus I love Spanish guitar music.
Sevillana also refers to the style of music from that region in Spain.
I’d love to visit Albacete and Toledo.
It clearly shows the Persian origin and the Morish influences. A lot of history in one knife. Yes there are some gaps between the handle and the spring (although it's not a spring but a friction folder, but i didn't know how to call it), but nothing serious. Pretty secure lock-up. Did i mention it looks awesome? Oh well thank you Tobias.
I can overlook all the minor imperfections because the whole package just looks great and it is super slicy! And the price was definitely right!
De Persia no,los Persas no estuvieron en España,algo de herencia morisca puede,pero la navaja española se crea en el siglo XVl y los árabes fueron expulsados siglo XV y los árabes usan puñales no navajas,es una navaja española puede que con algo de apariencia arabe nada mas .
Would like to see you make a video everyday please. :-)
That would be tough. Maybe once I quit my day job!
I got 4 spanish navajas, one cudeman, 2 joker and another one from an unknown artisan. The last one was my kitchen knife for almost thirty years till I replaced it for a joker one when realized I was cutting onions with a piece of history. the handmade one have horn scales and the replacement olive scales. The latter improves the grip when the hand is wet much better than the horn scales. Again, beauty and functionality working together! the shape of the blade of your jerezana reminds me a bowie knife...and something arabic aswell. Could be a link between them or is just a cutlery case of convergent evolution?
Most people do assume that this style of knife may have migrated from the Ottomans either through the Roman/Byzantine Empire or via trade through Morocco/North Africa. Either way, Spain made them famous and spread the pattern throughout the world.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias That make sense for the similarities. Thank you Tobias!
Also remember that Bowie was married with a mexican woman and mexicans used this clip point knives and folding knives from the times of the colony, he may knew them from his family in law and got the inspiration. Spaniards created this kind of knives dexades, perhaps 100 years before Bowie's time and there is a lot prubes of this in spain.
@@angelojeda2146 Jim Bowie did not marry until he moved to Texas. He met his wife after moving there. The sand bar fight was several years earlier. I have heard this theory on several occasions. In reality the clip point and large fighting knives date to well before Columbus coming to America.
Yep it's pronounced the way you pronounced it first i.e. ''seviyana''. By rights Albacete is pronounced ''albathetay'' rather than ''albasetay'' too, as it's Castillian rather than Latin American Spanish. I'm not Spanish btw but speak both varieties of it. I have a nice little olive handled slipjoint from Joker, also in MoVa 1.4116, which is very well made considering how much I paid for it.
Thanks for the additional info, Simon. I have a rudimentary understanding of how certain letters are pronounced but my ability to get it the correct accent and emphasis is truly lacking.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias No worries Tobias, you know a heck of a lot more about knives than I do and pronouncing Castillian correctly isn't really essential for that lol. I enjoy your content a lot, keep it coming. Best regards from the UK.
Good company
Indeed it is.
Fantastic knife!!👏👌☝️
Soy Español y me encanta que se interesen por nuestra cultura.
Para que sepais la navaja fue muy usada en peleas y asesinayos en España ya que las espadas fueron prohibidas para la gente comun asi que se urilizaba la navaja, dicen que la navaja fue de los gitanos y es mentira porque les condenaban a muerte si tubieran una asique ellos utilizaban las tijeras ya que eso si podian usar
That is a seriously beautiful blade. The skinny little curved butt looks funny to me, but that blade…. I’ll have to get one and play with it.
The handle is amazingly comfortable to hold and balances nicely in the hand.
where does one buy these
I found this one on amazon.
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Also, not a budget blade. At least not the one I purchased.
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