You pull axle from one cam pushed side. Bowtech I think is better designed than Mathews and Elite but this is Awsome for a guy who works on bows in garage with a press like myself. I had a few nightmare tunes this summer from guys in the neighborhood who bring me bows. I also own a few flagship bow brands a year and the Bowtechs have been much easier than the Elites to tune! Good job on Mathews.
The sweetspot is probably how it use to come from the factory. It's cool to see them add the tuning system to the bow. Little concerned about durability / longevity, how much it could tax the limbs, and if stuff like this make is less survivable for dry fires etc.
What does cam lean look like at rest? As you adjust the limb shift screw, does it manipulate the lean? When shooting bullet holes, can you notice near perfect cam lean when looking down the string at each cam?
I’m assuming this only moves the limb on the cam side of the limb I wonder what kind of added stress this puts on the limb and if it will affect the longevity of the limb. I feel the bowtech system may still have a slight advantage because of that. I’m sure time will tell us if they have issues with the limbs or not. I’m sure they have done plenty of testing before releasing this new system or at least hope they considered this new system adding stress to the limbs and didn’t see any alarming results
Just like the sound advice on not buying the first year of a new vehicle model, I would wait a year (or two) to see how this system works out before dropping $1500 (with taxes). Yeah, it is under warranty, but who wants their new bow in the shop waiting for parts or a recall?
Thank God! 10 years too late but better late than never. Now get rid of the mods that they nickel and dime shops with and I will be happy it is the final thing. Take that back the worthless yolks that make you take off the cam to change strings. Or how easy they come off their channel when pressed just a little bit. But we are almost there. Beside the boat being huge with a crazy string angle the peep has to go all the way up into the weights. I fix those and I will be happy. Lol. What that said I might grab the 27-in for a tree stand.
With this system, you're not moving the cam L/R, you are adding or subtracting the measured distance between the limb tips. So my question is this, increase or decrease that measurement to get rid of that tail right tear you had?
I feel about Mathews the way MFJJ feels about any other bow but Mathews, just saying. Mathews pigeon holes consumers into buying expensive, useless, gimmicks like “bridge lock” and ridiculous stabilizer systems. 2025 is no different.
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Absolute game changer. Thanks for all you do Josh! Love these technical tuning videos! Please do a bow build video on one of these!
Ordered mine this morning. Love tuning without a press!
This was a good demo - hopefully he'll do a comparison in a couple of months between the all the different tuning systems. That would be a good video.
I will be the guy to ask you to review the lift XD. Show some love to the long draw guys
I second this!
How do you get the axle out to put new strings on?
You pull axle from one cam pushed side. Bowtech I think is better designed than Mathews and Elite but this is Awsome for a guy who works on bows in garage with a press like myself. I had a few nightmare tunes this summer from guys in the neighborhood who bring me bows. I also own a few flagship bow brands a year and the Bowtechs have been much easier than the Elites to tune! Good job on Mathews.
This is exactly how I was thinking someone should make it work. That's awesome
The sweetspot is probably how it use to come from the factory. It's cool to see them add the tuning system to the bow. Little concerned about durability / longevity, how much it could tax the limbs, and if stuff like this make is less survivable for dry fires etc.
Are the axles easy to remove with this new system? Just wondering for when it comes time to replace cables.
Seems like you could put the new parts on the lift from last year, wish we could just buy cams with the new tuning feature
Thinking the same thing.
I’m getting the new lift but I would love to put the new limbs on my 2024 lift the grip already fits it also
Petty neat…thanks for sharing 👌🏻
It would be interesting to see what this does to the cam lean at full draw. I wish you would've shown that in your video, Josh.
Darton still in the lead for tuning
man, that was easy. hit us with a shooting session grip comparison video!
Can you install them on the older lifts
You’re definitely not an idiot, but you are a Mathews fanboy
I still like the bowtech system better just my opinion.
When you say 13/16 for the arrow rest, is that from riser to inside edge of arrow or to the center or the outside edge? Thanks.
What does cam lean look like at rest? As you adjust the limb shift screw, does it manipulate the lean? When shooting bullet holes, can you notice near perfect cam lean when looking down the string at each cam?
Seems like that would put side pressure on the limb??? Hopefully not more limb issues
Pretty sure those are reference lines for limb position on the limb tips.
I have an idea - lets twist the known failure point on last years bow
If you move one cam do you have to move the other side with it?
With the issue Mathews had with their limbs this year how will this tuning effect them. I forecast a heap of issues.
I’m assuming this only moves the limb on the cam side of the limb I wonder what kind of added stress this puts on the limb and if it will affect the longevity of the limb. I feel the bowtech system may still have a slight advantage because of that. I’m sure time will tell us if they have issues with the limbs or not. I’m sure they have done plenty of testing before releasing this new system or at least hope they considered this new system adding stress to the limbs and didn’t see any alarming results
Just like the sound advice on not buying the first year of a new vehicle model, I would wait a year (or two) to see how this system works out before dropping $1500 (with taxes). Yeah, it is under warranty, but who wants their new bow in the shop waiting for parts or a recall?
darton has a tuning and timing system...😉
Can the limb shift deal be installed on an original lift?
Will the new grips fit on the 2024 lift??
Picking up my 2 new LIFT X 33’s on Thursday ……. Much better draw cycle than the LIFT IMO!!
Ummmm , the cams are the same LOL
@ just saying….. go pull one and tell me what you think. Doesn’t feel as hard up front. Either way I’m picking up a couple Thursday 😂
Cool to see but i still like Bowtech and Darton's system better.
Well once they patent their systems no can build anything similar so I see hoyt just got screwed to have any thing like this
@ 9:38 of the video, you missed a golden opportunity to say "so top-hats off to em".
Just trying to help
MFJJ brother when are we getting a TITLE 34 video
I love my Hoyt rx8 . This Matthews however has peaked my interest. Never had a Matthews or an aluminum bow. Would it be gratuitous to get one???
Life is short. Don’t live with regrets.
Do Mathew’s bow get out of tune easy and often? If that why they are making them like that. Do Hoyt’s get out of tune easy as well?
I can see alot of people who don't know what they are doing stripping out the screw
Review the RS please
When you said "hats off to them" what you meant to say was " top hats off to them"
Make a video on how to remove the cam to change strings on these?
Better order asap bet the back orders are as bad or worse as the OG lift!
March 2025 hehe
Thank God! 10 years too late but better late than never. Now get rid of the mods that they nickel and dime shops with and I will be happy it is the final thing. Take that back the worthless yolks that make you take off the cam to change strings. Or how easy they come off their channel when pressed just a little bit. But we are almost there. Beside the boat being huge with a crazy string angle the peep has to go all the way up into the weights. I fix those and I will be happy. Lol. What that said I might grab the 27-in for a tree stand.
With this system, you're not moving the cam L/R, you are adding or subtracting the measured distance between the limb tips. So my question is this, increase or decrease that measurement to get rid of that tail right tear you had?
The cam doesn’t move with this system. Just the limb tip. The cam is anchored to the left side. He mentions that at the begining of the video.
Archaic system get with the times
Was curious how they got around bowtechs patent, seeing as athens got recked from trying to copy it. Smart to move the limbs rather than the cam.
Because this moves the limbs closer or wider bowtechs deadlock moves the cam
A Mathews sales rep told me they had to pay Bowtech to be able to do this...
Darton system is better period.
My pro shop sucks way over priced and you cant even draw back any bows
I feel about Mathews the way MFJJ feels about any other bow but Mathews, just saying. Mathews pigeon holes consumers into buying expensive, useless, gimmicks like “bridge lock” and ridiculous stabilizer systems. 2025 is no different.
Mathews has limb issues so they decide to put uneven pressure on them 😂 calm down Mathews fan boys I’m just messin.
OMG, all this stupid "technology" to justify the so-much-higher costs to these bows, when the static split yoke system was the perfect tuning system.
Lancaster posted this morning...