Over Torqued Bearings (Hydraulic Press Pinion Bearing) 2005 Ford F-150 9.75" Posi 4.6 5.4
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Before YT, rear end's were mysterious contraptions that required 3 technicians working at night during a full moon in full head dress while beating drums and dancing in a circle. Ray makes it look like it's a piece of cake.
Yes he does
Don’t forget that it had to be the third Tuesday of the month, and at least one on the techs had to be a werewolf! 😊
Good comment and I was thinking the same thing. As a kid , on one of my first cars a late 60’s Plymouth development serious problems.
In the seventies, information was hard to find, the Haynes manuals helped but these jobs were a challenge.
We figured it out because we had to, and the boys all helped each other, but it was a shit show sometimes.
Rays Ytube vids are a great help for people who want to learn.
I was told to never try working on the inner workings inside the pumpkin because it takes special tools and gauges. When Ray worked on the Jeeps they didn't seem all that terrible. This pickup not so spooky either, which is good because I have a 67 Mustang I'll be doing a lot of work on and I won't be so worried about looking into the rear end that was badly abused by some crazy teenager many moons ago. 😁
@@lvlndco Right! My friend's Uncle took apart his rear end in his plymouth and had to pay a mechanic $1,800 to put it all back together, when me or my friend's car had a leaky rear end, we would SELL the car and buy another..🤣
Mechanicing while he's giving us a running commentary and holding the camera a lot of the time too, true multi-tasking!
Camera head/chest mount
I'm an engineer at a bearing manufacturer. Never, ever use the rolling elements to press in the ring! Too much pressure will "brinnel" the raceway. Brinnel is when the rollers dent the raceway and the bearing will fail. I'm glad you changed your setup to the right way!
You don't have to be an engineer to know that.
Would you mind explaining in more layman’s terms? This information could help a junior automotive technician in a shop somewhere. I manage an automotive repair shop. I have some young bucks that spend way too much time on YT looking for short cuts. They’re educated in the automotive industry but want a fast results because it means “less work for more money”
Stop. Thank you so much for, dmonat, this information.....PLEASE state, if you can, what a DIYer should do at home, or in a simple shop, to do the install CORRECTLY. You obviously understand these matters.....Most guys really have a fear of bearings, and most guys use sockets, etc. Hope you can respond and EXPAND. There is nothing better than hearing from people who really Understand, Know, and are willing to point others in the right direction. Bearings really matter. Thank you....very much.
@@jamram9924 I think brinel is like when you try to roll out a flat pie crust with a rolling pin that has protrusions. You end up with a not-flat pie crust.
In the bearing race, this would likely result in high and low sports that can wear the bearings, or even, if deep enough, stop them from spinning and doing their job.
@@jamram9924 friggin lazy ass millenials
He came, He saw, He kicked its ass!
We got the tools, we got the talent!
I miss having a press available to me, but I do NOT miss being a fleet mechanic for a company with vehicles ranging from the 1950's to now.
Whats wrong with old stuff it was built better.
@@bobbg9041the starter on a HMMWV weighs 90 pounds, and was one of the lightest in my fleet. Fire truck tires, refueling truck valves, Oshkosh snow blowers, etc take a toll on the body.
Everything was ok with the video, but what I missed most was the sound effects at the end. That special sound that we love so much, then the "Anotha" and finally the thumping sound of a brake clean can hitting the floor. 😂
Oh, and watching poor Dave hiding behind something.
Ray.
, when setting up the pinion bearing puller, rotate the clamp 90 degrees to press against the clamp not the all thread. It is much stronger.
Yep, Dave's auto taught us that one!
That was exactly what I was just calling Ray out on! It's just quite important to have the threaded rod supported by the flat bottom jaws, instead of putting them across the gap where tons of force bend them into a u-shape!
"rotate the clamp 90 degrees" ... did you mean to say 180 degrees? In other words, turn it over?
@@Wheel_Horse ""rotate the clamp 90 degrees"" - not FLIP. Ray is putting pressure on the wrong part of the clamp.
@@stans5270 Thanks man! I got it now. The through bolts need to be front to back and not left to right on the press. Instead of the through bolts 'bridging' the gap between the blocks, the steel part of the clamp should be bridging the gap. Gotcha! Sorry for being dense!
I love getting the notifications when new Ray content drops 😂
My friend has an '11 F150. He took it to a dealer to get a leaking pinion seal replaced. On the drive home he immediately noticed a howling sound. The result was during reassembly the tech over-torqued the pinion nut and fried the pinion bearings.
We appreciate that you use Denco Brake Cleaner! Thank you, we love your videos and always look forward to seeing your newest repairs!
You should offer Ray some sort of discount for the amount of cleaner he uses ,I am pretty sure he uses it for everything including toothpaste . Great cleaner .
Why don't you guys hook him up with a few cases of it and maybe some of your other products.
@@rickcampbell1846 We shipped him some free products and we are waiting to hear back from him! Great idea!
@@Gary-xe2lb See my previous comment, but yes, we reached out to thank Ray and we look forward to hearing back from him! Thanks for the great idea 😀
@@DencoDistributingInc You sound like a great company , I wish you all the success with your business.
In my O"pinion", you do great work, Ray.
Monday afternoon with thunder and lightening nothing better to watch Ray playing inner bearing's
obviously the last person to "mess" with that diff did not know what they were doing but our Ray can sort it out, thanks for the video
You could rotate your vice 90 deg to avoid the possibility of bending the bolts
viSe, in this instance.
I was going to say the same thing. The bearing splitting "vise" should be turned 90 degrees as you stated.
When setting up reared, I always set preload w/o crush sleeve to check pinion depth before crushing sleeve. Aftermarket ring and pinions often require different pinion shines. May save a step.
that's very true.
So Ray set the preload on the light side. What is better when it comes to preload? Lower or high number? Spec for this truck is 12-20 in. Lbs
@@jimrossabrena7955 he is good to go its only 3 inch pound difference at a dry rotation once it gets oil and heats up it will be fine ,if its to tight it will sheer through the oil .
Always nice to see Lauren.
The bearing separator should have been rotated 90 degrees in the press; if you had needed any more pressure, you would have bent the two bolts.
The crush washer looked pretty crushed. A good trick is to grind out a bit of the inner race on the old bearing that sits against the pinion gear so it slides on and off with your hands and then set your pinion depth by shimming it with the original shim and then putting it in and checking your backlash until your backlash is proper when the pinion is tightened down moderately with the old nut. Then you can put the new bearing on with the appropriate shims and new crush washer and nut. It saves you from having to pull the new bearing back off the pinion if your shim pack is wrong.
I just loved the lizard tung effect with the air hammer after the outboard race gave way. 😆
I was completely mesmerized watching. I'm trying to restore the differential for a 1958 Chevy Apache Pickup and couldn't believe how the design hasn't changed much over all these years. The challenge I'm dealing with is replacement carriers are very hard to find. I couldn't find a local machine shop who would weld and lathe the damaged and missing metal the bearing rides on. So, now I'm experimenting with an expensive Loctite metal epoxy to see if that will work.
Turn fixture 45 degrees so tension not on bolts, FYI. Great videos!!
Talkers and doers. Ray's both.
I love watching somebody getting things done.
Maybe it’s just me, but this is one of those jobs that seems too fiddly for me to have the patience to do. Just watching Ray do it makes me feel nervous. I’m glad there are people that don’t mind doing such things. 👏
Similar thing happened to my Durango a few years back. Had a Pinion seal leak. The mechanic just tightened the Pinion nut with an impact after changing the seal. Didn't check the preload and had it way too tight. Within a few months the Pinion bearing broke. I took it to the junkyard and had them swap in a low mileage used rear from another Durango for $400. Drove it another 75k miles before I sold it.
Ray doesn’t have to ask his boss for time off. He is the boss!
ask Lauren about that one...🤣
@@QuantumStellaryou’re correct! She’s the real boss, Ray is the “straw boss.” BAAAAAWAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAA!
@@QuantumStellartrue
Trick my uncle used to do working on rearends was to put the races in the freezer overnight. He would heat the bearing in an old toaster oven to put back on the pinion. They about slipped in like butter.
FIND A QUALIFIED REPAIR GARAGE TO FIX YOUR VEHICLE"*such as Rays. Thing is... theres also a LIABILITY concern if a repair(even by the car owner) fails and damages/hurts someone in any way.(at least in Canada) so .. .yeah... its better to take it to people like RAY who can guarantee vehicle repairs and make it STICK for insurance reasons if needed too. GREAT WORK RAY!
Nice job ray!!! Cant wait for part 3!
always entertaining and educational thanks ray!
Thanks for another great video in this part two of this job. I enjoy seeing your process of repair, and in my brain compare it to the way I did such jobs. It's good to see that methods have changed little over the years. Maybe that's one of the reasons I find your channel so engaging. I look forward to seeing the third video of this diff rebuild.
We did get a cameo of Lauren/WifeUnit, although a distant one. 😊 Maybe even a brief Dave video shot too. You have a wonderful organization going, Ray. Thanks for bringing us along.
Nicely done Ray !
My dad has a 2006 F150 4wd w/ 4.6, he purchased it used but also got the extended warranty through Ford but the rear end went out not long after he bought the truck which was covered under warranty. I don't know the specifics but something about that Ford didn't get the hardness right on the pinion. We found out later the previous owner had it repaired at least once before and then traded the truck in. The only other major issue we've had with the truck was that sometimes it would trying to engage 4wd when you were driving down the highway. The dealer couldn't figure it out so we ended up leaving it with them as it wasn't really driveable, I think the technician drove it for about 2 days when it finally did it.
i just bougth an lsd and an overhaul kit for my ford 8.8in, and now all of my favorite mechanics on the interwebs are posting diff rebuilds! I'm loving all of them and absorbing so much info! that being said, great video as always :D
It's funny you did a video about this when you did because I did a Ram 5500 pinion bearing set the same time. Mine was the customer had rear end issues and metal found in the rear diff fluid. I found the pinion bearings worn well beyond their limits causing it all to loosen up too much. Rebuilt the pinion and boom, nice and tight and smooth now. Nice video Ray.
You have the best toolbox I've ever seen
Ray, Looks like there is a small crack at the top of the inner race in the housing. May be a casting line. Hard to tell on video.
The right tool makes the job easier, unfortunately for me I do not have them...or a lift. I`m just a 66 yr old backyard mechanic trying to keep his 91 Silverado safe and on the road. Just ordered parts for a front suspension rebuild. This should be fun..on heavy duty jackstands. If possible, I rent the tools. I`ve been keeping my own junk running for 50 years. Thanks for the lesson on pinion bearing tolerances, I look forward to the next very good video. I may need this info soon, truck has 325,215 miles on it and unknown history on the differential maintenance service. I`ve owned it for 6 years, got it cheap from SIL after her divorce.
Hey Ray, have yourself a great day! I really enjoy the content, you never stop learning in life.
You're comedy adds to an interesting repairs videos
Glad the Tiger Tightness quote is back, kinda missed it.
Thank you!
Love the can throw! Plus the way you explain things
Always freeze the race before installing, and heat the bearing to 350 in a toaster oven! Makes the job so much easier. If you heated the cone before removal, it would have been much easier also.
brother ray thanks for the entertainment and inspiration
Awesome work
"I have altered the setup. Pray that I do not alter it further."😆
Smart customer to spend a little extra to avoid other issues since it's all apart. Thanks Ray!!
Hi Ray. Instead of putting on the nut the usual way, why not thread it on to the shaft with the flange-side facing up towards the hydraulic press? More surface area to press against that way. 😊
Nice one Ray man
Great vid as always ray awaiting pt3 as well as everything else have a great day and thanks again for sharing
The only differential i have ever worked on was the one in my ATV last year after I had one of the pinion bearings go out. Never knew but when i bought it didn't have any gear oil in it
18:07 I see a crack in the block.
I noticed that too, an in the bottom as well.
Good eye. It’s at 12 o clock. You can see it at 15:31, too.
Great Work Ray
when I change out pinion and gears in my 1991 GMC 1500 I installed a tru- trac kit .
Those are worth the money.
Did I really just see a race get pulled in by the bearing itself? Love your work Ray, but that was not cool. 😮
Good work Ray.
Welcoming back!
When the can went across the floor, I automatically yelled "ANOTHER!"
Another great video, thank you for posting it for us. I am now a TH-cam certified mechanic 🤣
You should never use the rollers of a bearing to press the race into place, particularly with an impact wrench. It can cause brinelling of the race and ruin the bearing.
he may fix the helicopter again
So you should use a cone with the same angle as the race to press it in? Assuming here.
@@FireGodSpeed No - races should never be pressed in using the bearing surface. An anvil of the correct size to fit the outer rim if the race should be used.
@@timgillespie1081 but if you press on the outer surface won't you mushroom that area and push material into the bearing surface? (If you know what I mean)
@@FireGodSpeed That's not likely. The race is *very* hard, much harder than press anvils. So if anything gets deformed during pressing, it would be the anvil, not the race. If you have to press hard enough to damage the race, something is very wrong. The race is possible not going in square, the wrong size, etc.
i put white sealant on the yoke spline . to help stop oil from coming out of it,
Nice catch
The venerable 9" ford diff is Soooo much nicer to setup--right on the bench mount. We'd use an old pinion nut with the "friction crimp" cut off, sometimes set bearing preload on a crush sleeve "thinned down" on the lathe, then remove it, measure it, and replace it with a solid shim kit--But we were building 3rd members for high HP Desert Trucks, not grocery getters...A side benefit was we could swap a pinion seal with an impact and not worry about changing preload.
Bearing splitter bolts should not bridge a gap (unsupported). Rotate 90 degrees so both halves are bridging the gap.
and whys that? seemed fine to me
@@Gizmetti
It worked this time, but there is a potential to bend the bolts in this position if he had had to use more force.
You are either Ray’s mistress, or a friend that wishes you were. Stop being so infatuated with Ray that you refuse to see the things he does wrong. He’s not a machinist. Ray will probably see this and think about the position next time.
@@shakerman55 But you just said yourself it worked.... so...
@@Gizmetti
I also said that the “potential” was there. It wouldn’t have taken much more force. I have personally witnessed it in the machine shop I worked in. Why take the chance when all you have to do is rotate it. Ray doesn’t automatically know everything. He does learn a few things from comments. We all can if we keep an open mind.
@@shakerman55 Ok but again, who cares if the bolt bends? Ray said it was a junk bolt from an old engine, a head bolt which is usually the strongest bolts on the engine.. but lets say he did bend it.. so what? The bolt is non consequential.
Yukon gears are tough. I went through two OEM diffs in my Camaro before installing Yukon and it is still going strong
yes sir I agree went with Yukon pinion and gear with the tru- trac diff ,that was 4 years a go now both rear tires spin on my 1991 GMC 1500 standard cab short box show truck .
I believe Ray was using the old race and bearing to push the new race into position. That way the rollers were not putting pressure on the inside of the new race.
It all boils down to a difference of a pinion
Greatness as always
I’ve done this twice with no special tools. It was fun…
I hope you do more than one video a week
how things have changed . i bought a 1972 ford van in 1982 . the pinion gear howled but not as bad as this truck did . that was the only thing that was wrong with that van .. the van cost me $800 . it had two passenger seats in it . i sold both seats for $150 each . the van ended up costing me $500 plus a rebuild of the differential . that only cost me $75 .. my oh my how things have changed .. good video
Hardened steel hammer on hardened steel sacrificial race = high potential for shrapnel. Brass mallet = better. Easy to forget. No Reeeeeeeees here, just a reminder. Great demo.
I recall doing a wheel bearing and making a call to have the bearing pressed out and the new one on.
I can't recall the quote, but I knew it was insane for what time they would spend on it.
So I bought a press from HF, and it paid for itself after the next bearing job that I did.
I see a crack in casting when you press the bearing
Man I gotta do this on my truck...
Beatin around the bearings 😅😂, there's no bush😂
I like and WOW amazing TY so much ,,Keep up the great work
I used a slide hammer to remove CV axel on a Monte Carlo
Great video
About time Ray got himself a big air hammer 😂
Good Day Ray and hit o Dave
Awesomeness!
Ray, love your work & videos! When you pulled that race into place, should you have flipped that spacer around to keep it more centered?
Ray, get with the program! The "like" and "subscribe" buttons are no longer "down below!" They are to the right, with the new TH-cam page format. Just flipping you some shhhhht, man. 🙂 Love your content. Thank you, sir.
When using a press, always place the puller 'jaws at 90 degrees to the base plates so the pressure is equally applied to both jaws so the downward pressure is not carried by the adjusting bolts as you can bend them and that is not pretty. I agree with the prvious comment about pressing in a new cage, Put it in the feezer or better still use nitrogen to shrink the bearing and push it in. ( be sure to wear gloves to save your fingers)
Another interesting saga. Hope you and the wife unit are doing well.
I always try to stick with Timken brg's or national brg's
Love your hammer❤
coming soon to a HF the second week of August 12th -18 for members only the 12th -15th there will be a huge parking lot clearance sale. 20ton air replacement jack for that press for $95.00 down from $150.
I bought a slide hammer with different attachments from harbor freight for a wheel bearing…..👍🏿
Ray... Would the Lithium grease have anything to do with why the diff oil was foamy when you removed the diff cover?
4:15 that cardboard box has earned its keep in the shop bud 😂😂
Hearing you admit you've pressed a bearing or two on backwards over the years makes me feel much better about the gears and bearings I've pressed on backwards in the past. Don't you just hate it when that happens.....?
I’ve always avoided this type of project because I thought it required spells and black magic. I’m seriously thankful for a good old fashioned how-to because I had the tools but not the courage .
Me and my dad put one of those in an we put a little bit of grease on them were wouldn't be dry sit them to 10 we did it old school
Hi Dave!
Looks like that shaft took some heat being discolored like it is
The video starts and about 15 seconds in, it stops. I will keep trying. Seen the short about scumbags, had that same problem when getting parts delivered till I requested that they take the time to open the boxes and make sure they were new and not the damaged ones. then parts box would have the right numbers but the parts had been switched. Finally got to watch the video
Ray one of my NOT so good memory as a young mech was using a press just like yours. I was pressing out a similar bearing and it was being a bear. All of a sudden the bearing EXPLODED--- shrapnel flew everywhere and thank god it didn't hit me. 40 yrs later I can still say someone was looking out for me. Wrap in a rag is my advice. just saying!
The case is what all your gears go on the carrier houses everything
That is an Eaton axle, my guess is water has been inside and no one has added friction modifier creating most if the issues