@@Teamoneilrally No problem! The more detailed videos with Wyatt practically and helpfully explaining things are the best. I've been trying to watch almost all of them since I'm seriously considering getting into rally
Everytime I see you in a video I'm like... damn this guy has the best job in the world... I mean sure I'm sitting at home watching youtube videos while I'm at work... but I'd give that up in heart beat to be rallying, and teaching other to rally. I envy you man you made it haha.
Enjoyed the video - there is not a much content on the subject, so kudos for shining more light on it. I took exception with one bit - with drag radial (what your typical street drive weekend warrior will have) on a drag strip you absolutely do NOT want wheelspin with that type of tire compound and construction. Once you introduce wheelspin you've wrecked the run as those tires are not quick to recover traction, and when they do they are incredibly violent. You run a much higher risk of hurting the driveline with any wheelspin on a radial, and it's easy to introduce wheel-hop even in a well sorted chassis, which is devastating to everything between the crankshaft and the lugnuts. Those setups rely heavily on generous clutch slip for perfecting their launch - and at the highest levels use clutch release devices or centrifugal slipper clutches to achieve their best performance. Alternatively, on a bias ply slick, you absolutely do want some wheelspin at the start - that's your slip rather than the clutch. I still recommend driveline preload to minimize breakage and maximize consistency, but it's a fast release rather than the slow deliberate release you need with a drag radial. I realize your content was gravel/rally focused, and it fit that well, I just wanted to leave a comment for someone that might get the idea that they can go out and dump the clutch on radials at the drag strip for good results. It will either spin or bog, and it's gonna tear stuff up. Keeping the tire hooked and slipping the clutch is the way with those.
I have video idea for you - what’s the fastest way to get through chicanes? You know the rally element made from hay rolls or cones to reduce the speed in long straights. In autocross / amatuer rally events these usually are the places where time is gained or lost.
That definitely can't hurt as long as you don't dig yourself too much of a hole, I'd say go for it. Also keep in mind the start line isn't a place where you can make a lot of time, but you definitely can lose a lot if you mess it up / stall / spin forever / break something. Ricky Johnson the motoX legend has a great quote "make time by not losing time" and it definitely applies to start lines.
Off topic; but what wheels are on this 'blob eye' (not a Scoobie boi, so I am guessing at the gen nickname?)? They look like either Enkei or Speedline gravel rally wheels, and the same as (or similar to) what Vermont Sportscar is using on the ARA Open Class Wrxes, now that they are no longer sponsored by Method. What RPM would you guess the top class Rally 1 and Rally 2 cars (as well as the ARA Open Class Scoobies) are setting their launch controls at, and leaving the line at? As far as ruts go, while working the start controls on NEFR's last stage (it ALWAYS gets really dug up, and DEEPLY rutted!!) some of the (especially FWD) competitors were starting well back of the actual start line just to not dig even further into the deep ruts (or even get close to high centering, YES, it got THAT deep there!) already there and lose massive amounts of time. Fun times getting pelted with dirt and (sometimes BIG) rocks as the cars leave the line! 😊
Could you establish an another camera that showes your feet while exercise next time sometimes it's better to see one time and thank you for the lesson
4:59 No, you just have to slip the clutch a tiny bit in a subaru because it doesn't have the power to launch the way you wanted it to lol dropping the clutch is a great way to break something in a subaru. Slipping the clutch just a bit isn't going to hurt it and helps a launch tremendously, i launch my N/A (lmao) around 3k-3500 with a little bit of clitch slip and it takes right off
Does anyone know if the VB still does the handbrake release? Because, I don't believe it does, but I'm not sure. I thought only the STI trans 6-speed setup did that.
My problem isn't knowing how to launch it, but rather how fussy the control officials are, and how much wheelspin I can get away with at a no wheelspin start.
Great to see more educational videos with Wyatt
Thank you for watching!
@@Teamoneilrally No problem! The more detailed videos with Wyatt practically and helpfully explaining things are the best. I've been trying to watch almost all of them since I'm seriously considering getting into rally
Everytime I see you in a video I'm like... damn this guy has the best job in the world... I mean sure I'm sitting at home watching youtube videos while I'm at work... but I'd give that up in heart beat to be rallying, and teaching other to rally. I envy you man you made it haha.
Chase your dreams man
Great info! Especially about the strain launching puts on ones precious car.
Enjoyed the video - there is not a much content on the subject, so kudos for shining more light on it. I took exception with one bit - with drag radial (what your typical street drive weekend warrior will have) on a drag strip you absolutely do NOT want wheelspin with that type of tire compound and construction. Once you introduce wheelspin you've wrecked the run as those tires are not quick to recover traction, and when they do they are incredibly violent. You run a much higher risk of hurting the driveline with any wheelspin on a radial, and it's easy to introduce wheel-hop even in a well sorted chassis, which is devastating to everything between the crankshaft and the lugnuts. Those setups rely heavily on generous clutch slip for perfecting their launch - and at the highest levels use clutch release devices or centrifugal slipper clutches to achieve their best performance.
Alternatively, on a bias ply slick, you absolutely do want some wheelspin at the start - that's your slip rather than the clutch. I still recommend driveline preload to minimize breakage and maximize consistency, but it's a fast release rather than the slow deliberate release you need with a drag radial. I realize your content was gravel/rally focused, and it fit that well, I just wanted to leave a comment for someone that might get the idea that they can go out and dump the clutch on radials at the drag strip for good results. It will either spin or bog, and it's gonna tear stuff up. Keeping the tire hooked and slipping the clutch is the way with those.
Life goals: get novice license, move to new hampshire, work at team o neil. Man drive car, man happy
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Wyatt, great to see you again!
Always love Wyatt.
Love these vids! Also would love to see stars in a reasonably priced rally car 👀
I have video idea for you - what’s the fastest way to get through chicanes? You know the rally element made from hay rolls or cones to reduce the speed in long straights. In autocross / amatuer rally events these usually are the places where time is gained or lost.
Props on telling people to load the drivetrain.
The legend is back.
So much more to say about this than I thought was possible - Love to learn from Wyatt!
Knox for the win, the most interesting guy to listen saying rally things.
I don't want to be that guy but this is the only opportunity I have ever gotten, so...
First!
Also great video as usual!
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This was really educational, can you comment on what launch controllers do, and how they can help the launch process?
can you make a video on how to smooth out bumps and potholes using weight transfer
superb video btw
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Whats your opinion on turning the wheels back and forth to settle them into the gravel once you've pulled up to the line? Particularly for fwd.
That definitely can't hurt as long as you don't dig yourself too much of a hole, I'd say go for it. Also keep in mind the start line isn't a place where you can make a lot of time, but you definitely can lose a lot if you mess it up / stall / spin forever / break something. Ricky Johnson the motoX legend has a great quote "make time by not losing time" and it definitely applies to start lines.
I wonder if team O'Neal sells any of their track cars ,I could use a car to practice with
Thank you.
You're welcome!
In a Subaru you bounce it of the limiter for a few seconds at least then dump the clutch.
Off topic; but what wheels are on this 'blob eye' (not a Scoobie boi, so I am guessing at the gen nickname?)?
They look like either Enkei or Speedline gravel rally wheels, and the same as (or similar to) what Vermont Sportscar is using on the ARA Open Class Wrxes, now that they are no longer sponsored by Method.
What RPM would you guess the top class Rally 1 and Rally 2 cars (as well as the ARA Open Class Scoobies) are setting their launch controls at, and leaving the line at?
As far as ruts go, while working the start controls on NEFR's last stage (it ALWAYS gets really dug up, and DEEPLY rutted!!) some of the (especially FWD) competitors were starting well back of the actual start line just to not dig even further into the deep ruts (or even get close to high centering, YES, it got THAT deep there!) already there and lose massive amounts of time.
Fun times getting pelted with dirt and (sometimes BIG) rocks as the cars leave the line! 😊
There's a rattling noise now, is that normal? Time sensitive.
how do you make your subaru reliable for rally mines blown up and would prefer to not be changing less often
Could you establish an another camera that showes your feet while exercise next time sometimes it's better to see one time and thank you for the lesson
Your're back, or is this an older video?
Thanks for tuning in! We recently shot this a few weeks ago.
4:59 No, you just have to slip the clutch a tiny bit in a subaru because it doesn't have the power to launch the way you wanted it to lol dropping the clutch is a great way to break something in a subaru. Slipping the clutch just a bit isn't going to hurt it and helps a launch tremendously, i launch my N/A (lmao) around 3k-3500 with a little bit of clitch slip and it takes right off
Does anyone know if the VB still does the handbrake release? Because, I don't believe it does, but I'm not sure. I thought only the STI trans 6-speed setup did that.
My problem isn't knowing how to launch it, but rather how fussy the control officials are, and how much wheelspin I can get away with at a no wheelspin start.
gonna use it to have better launches in beamng
Yep, you have to heat race compound brakes or else you get to the first corner, almost no brakes, and off the road, Trust me, I know
how to launch, this one is simple. wot and 2nd dump it.
And or the brakes? No dude. You don’t want to heat up the brakes before you start racing lol.
Dont some brakes need to be warm before they bite? Kinda like tires?