The Reform revolution
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
- Inaya Folarin Iman, Ella Whelan and Tom Slater discuss Nigel Farage’s surge in the UK election.
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Labour are worse thing for Britain
For those too young or too stupid to remember. Under the last Labour government, Highest satisfaction in the NHS "Ever". 20,000 more police officers, 32,000 police support staff. 63,000 more nursing staff. Twice as many courts, libraries, police stations. 19,000 more doctors. Average wage 31% higher. 26,000 surestart centers nationally. 2 day waiting time for GP appointments 4 hour A&E waiting time. Lowest child poverty since the war. Lowest homeless numbers since the 80s. Highest living standards since the war. BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY IMPROVEMENT "DONT VOTE FOR THE PARTY THAT EXISTS FOR YOUR BENEFIT"
a return of the bubonic plague might be worse but i suppose not much worse
@@brianferguson7840 And no money left in the till at the end of it.
@@tonyh5484 That's not as daft as it sounds, Mass immigration has caused a massive upward spike in TB.
@@brianferguson7840 Ya gay
Reform only way to go.
A vote for Reform was a vote for common sense. In my experience journalists and political commentators tend to reflect widely held views on subjects they couldnt possibly be expert on. They (largely inadvertently) promote the status quo and therefore contribute to a lack of ambition or realism to what can be achieved. It is entirely possible to turn around the country's fortunes, to turn back the boats, transform the NHS and modernise our armed forces.
@@Baldnesz you could add reforming the police , judiciary and Whitehall , to that list and you’ll get my vote 🏴👍
Common sense? Common sense is understanding that you cannot stop immigration and have a functioning economy. Even in the impossible scenario of net zero, you are still receiving immigrants. That is common sense. Reform, just like with Brexit, is selling desperate people pie in the sky policies that no government is ever going to enact. If people understood that the economy would tank if they closed the borders, they’d be less keen on the idea. This is why Reform are dead silent on economic issues.
@@belson65by tax the rich - are the tax brackets currently not enough for you? It's like an effective 60% tax for those earning over £100k and 40% under that until the basic rate. The tax we pay in this country is absolutely absurd already. I personally just can't be bothered to work any more - when I do 60 hour weeks and can barely afford a house.. whilst at the same time people who aren't contributing are expecting ever increasing handouts for cause X and cause Y, demanding "the rich" pay for more. Unionised workers demanding ever higher wages for ever more expensive but crappier services. I don't think there are very many "rich" people anymore. There are the super rich, and the middle class has mostly become much poorer to the point they are surviving not thriving. I do agree that there are some super rich who use tax loopholes to avoid the tax on income and those should be closed. However sole traders and other non super rich people use these loopholes also. For example a sole trader may pay themselves a salary just under the high tax bracket then take dividends, and live off expenses. Meanwhile though, any tax gain that is made, you then then just see governments pi** most of it up the wall with no repercussions, and we continue to get more of the same come re-elections.
'Groupthink' same with climate change but nobody wants to put their head above the parapet and risk getting canceled or defunded.
@@chrissmith2114You also get group think , and cancellation with Reform. Can't win.
I am proud to have voted for REFORM! It’s just the beginning. Nigel for PM by 2029
I used to be in a personality cult in the past. I'm not proud.
@@honberg193 It is an anti-authoritarian movement operating openly in a severely damaged system once believed to be representative democracy.
Delulu
An installed WEF snake 🐍 replaced by another WEF snake 🐍🤬🤮🏴
Just remind us all what a WEF snake is.
farage is a wef snake. supports its leader charles
Is a WEF similar to LBW?
We never got Brexit
Yes we did
Your comment is very strange... So the UK is still a member of the European Union?
How do a party with the third highest number of votes only get 5 seats, yet Liberals get 66 with less votes. This highlights the issues with our electoral system.
Corruption always bloody corruption 😡
@@shazAnddollysausageit’s just the weird voting system first past the post. Horribly outdated in this day.
Because there has to be a winner and a loser in every aspect of life. There are no rewards for failing to win.
Because when we had the chance to move to a different vote system people said no
RIGGED FOR THE UNI PARTIES 🤪
Reform have only one direction and that has to be populism... Be for the people , prove they're for the people and the numbers will grow.
Yes, absolutely and there's nothing wrong with that. Populism has been painted as something below-par, naff, the preserve of the unthinking chav, but it's really the spirit of common sense. I like Farage's inclination towards referendums, as per the Swiss. This is a great way to settle key issues. If you trust the people to choose well that is, and the trouble with a lot of governments is they would rather have their teeth pulled than trust the people who elected them.
@@johnpoulter there has to be a movement , which populism purports to be, which isn’t , more of the same.(MOTS)
The sounds emanating from reform have a ring of populism but they need to keep convincing the electorate and it will only happen if they’re genuine. If they are not they will be found out very quickly , even now the lying machine is working overtime, as you’d expect and the so called sympathetic media outlets, already have their knives at the ready , as that is the starting blocks of the media. Time me will tell .
@@johnpoulter I think populism can sometimes be reductive and impulsive. Making policy on gut instinct because it feels like "common sense" without considering complex and counterintuitive details. But we certainly need a fair bit of populism to balance out technocratic elitism.
Yvette Cooper tried to stop Brexit. Will she try to stop the boats?
No, because Cooper refuses to leave the ECHR which has blocked deportations. Labour will fast-track asylum claims to clear the backlog, which in turn will encourage more boats. Labour will also make it easier for immigrants to apply using a new legal method. Net migration is about to explode.
She will stop whatever the big boys (from foreign countries) tell her to stop.
Yeah adding value to grooming gangs since the Blair era!
Don't hold your breath
Don't hold your breath
the thing to highlight is actually how bad Labour actually did , which has been distorted by their high seats
14 years of inept Tory rule, and what Starmer gets a lower vote share the Corbyn, no change in England, a Decline in Wales and only a gain in Scotland because of the even worse SNP
Then consider that Labour only got twice the number of votes than Reform, not the tories, but the party that only really become known to many a month ago
The tories did as expected terrible, but we are also seeing the end of Labour, and i doubt the next 5 years will improve their lot
I can't see at the next GE many people returning to the Tories, but i don't see them sticking with Labour either, sure the Libdems might benefit, but i think Reform is poised to pick up a huge swathe of Ex Tory, Ex Labour Supporters
Yup, that's my analysis too. Except I don't think the utter lunatics on the Liebour front bench will make it to anywhere near 2029.
I'm amazed noone is talking about what happened to the SNP, they got absolutely battered. I guess Yousaf criticising white people in a 96% white country probably wasn't a good idea.
The ads aren't true then? You'd think all of Europe --> Africa 😂.
It's pronounced "HU-WHITE" 😅
😂
One of the reasons was they lost contact with reason over self I.D. hopefully Starmer will learn that lesson.
His Lead Balloon moment!
Five seats they are now known as The Famous Five.
The five-finger hammer!
@@pistonburner6448 five reasons to be cheerful.
@@pistonburner6448 Does that come with lube?
@@baswenmakers6846 Leftist tears will fulfill that role. If they don't repent = cry, then no lube.
@@baswenmakers6846 Whoever the extremist loser is who keeps censoring my comments certainly is crying: that'll work.
In YouGov's poll - also quoted in Winston Marshall’s latest video on TH-cam - Labour voters were asked for the main reason why they voted labour this time around. The vast majority, as much as all the other reasons given put together, voted Labour not because they like the policies, not to protect the NHS, not because they believe in a more equal or fair Britain, not because they consider them to be at the party of the working class or care about ordinary people - and nothing to do with trusting the integrity of the party and least of all not because they believe Starmer is likely to be a good leader.
They did so for the single and absolutely overriding reason that they just wanted to get rid of the Tories. In other words they have no essential belief whatsoever in what Labour stands for, nothing to do with any reformist values and certainly nothing to do with the bizarre meandering and nonsensical arguments given by Boris… they just wanted to use the system - strategically and cynically - because they hate the Tories so much. What does that tell you about Labour (lack of) values and our stupid voting system?
Peter, in short you're saying Labour were very lucky this time... (-:
Nicely put though and good of you to mention Winston Marshall, he's far more palatable than Russell Brand, and it has nothing to do with their personalities. I'm sure I don't need to elaborate further.
cheers
Yep. If Labour doesn’t understand that they’ve won mainly for being “not-Tories”, they will get a reality check really soon.
4.1 million people is a voice both Labour and Conservative need to listen to, but they won't
Racist, Facist voices are not worth listening to.
Ever !
The silent voice of those who didn’t vote is also screaming.
@@prsanchoThose that didn't vote, can't complain.
@@honberg193, oh!, they can. The no-vote can even be a form of complaint in itself.
@@prsancho But it doesn't achieve anything. A few thousand people drawing a big c$%k on their ballot paper, maybe 🤔
in just a month with the boats still crossing people will be regretting not voting reform, if you expect nothing from labour, you will not be disappointed
Liz Truss’ budget was never even implemented, so how can they lay the blame at her feet. In a couple of years when Labour have finished the country off they will still blame Liz Truss.
Truss'a idea to grow the economy appears to have been a good idea when taken up by Hunt and Reeves as though they thought of it first ..
The announcement of the budget was enough. Truss planned a budget deficit, financed by cheap borrowing. The markets decided this was not going to work, that inflation would rise. Fhey weren't going to lend to H.M. Government or to the people of this country except at high interest. Loss of support for Truss in parliament and country. To put it figuratively, would you lend your car to someone who said she was planning to drive it off a cliff?
What is the chance that the original seat prediction for Reform (13) was so far off so that the final total would seem like a disappointment? Seems like the petty crap the establishment would pull.
They got a lot of 2nd place finishes. The model simply pointed that the probability was of them winning more of those. The issue is that it was an uncommon race. The regular models don’t work well when this happens.
They came within 1000 or so votes several times. I think the model hasn’t learned 5-way races very well.
But honestly it wouldn’t surprise me
I think it's just the _Law of Large Numbers._ You inevitably get more randomness in your statistical sample for smaller parties. Exit polls are typically accurate to within about ±10 seats. So proportionally that's a larger error for lower seat counts.
@@andybrice2711 Makes sense. They also weren’t competitive in enough places to make up for it. The exit poll didn’t predict S. Basildon & E. Thurrock, but that was the only unexpected difference from the exit poll that mattered. When it’s Tory or Labour, the constituencies they’re supposed to win are more likely to be canceled out by unlikely wins since small differences more often matter in wins and losses for those parties.
If the planes got off the ground and the boats were pushed or turned back he could have still been in power.
We have joined as members and voted Reform. We are supporting them in the future too.
They do not speak for us anymore many of us would not Vote for any of the main parties
He keeps saying 4 seats when they actually have 5
Probably recorded before the recount that gained the 5th seat
Why did the Tories do so bad??? Did they really think that the average British man in the street would for for an UNELECTED INDIAN MILLIONIARE worth £651M?? The Tories could not have picked a worse candidate for British PM if they had tried!! That D-Day fiasco just drove that point home like nothing else... As regards the campaign I don't think that I have ever witnessed the Tories ever run such an inept election campaign where everything went wrong..
Apart from incompetence. They verred further to the right. That was why. Starmer took up the center ground.
He's not Indian
They have 5 MPs
There are 5 Reform MPs
They came second in 98 constituencies.
@clairee4939 which means they lost 98 times....easy maths
I am clinging onto the hope that Labour wil realise that if they delivery what the Tories delivered and more (mass migration, failure to stop the boats) then they will get the same treatment as the Tories in 2029.
They will. Reform was a protest vote. They ignore it at their perril.
Nigel will get the Trump treatment.
Trump is an anomaly. The more the deep state throws at him the stronger he gets. I hope Farage has the same resiliency.
Sorry i wouldn't call their policies shallow! They are the policies every common sense person in this country cares about.
Reform is the party for the working class people 👍🇬🇧
call me crazy but i believe sunak wanted to destroy the torry party to force UK back into the EU
You are 🤪 crazy.
Honestly, you are.
His only achievement helping liebour.
Who is censoring this comments section so ridiculously hard? Spiked: be honest, be transparent and let us know if you have been censoring comments here, what kinds of comments, and on what grounds!
Almost certainly it will be youtube. Due to UK & US elections this year and the growing anger with the status quo, yotube are censoring harder and harder.
Which comment of yours was "hidden", was it the one that began " Why reduce Reform into "working class revolt"?"
I don't normally watch Spiked but find them just as condescending as all the others. cheers
@@jamonit7169 Yes, that was one of *_several_* comments of mine which were hidden/censored/deleted for absolutely no legitimate reason.
@@pistonburner6448 I have no idea who is responsible, it could simply be people ( I think you know who I mean..) using the "report" facility alongside each comment. There's not a lot we can do apart from mention it, the fact you did led me to look for your hidden comment (do you know how I did?). It is a bit tedious and most people don't bother..
I saw one person get round it by breaking up their rather long comment into smaller pieces. cheers
It's Splked. Their part of cancel culture.
5 Reform seats
I voted Reform but I’m in Cornwall so we were never going to win
Keep voting REFORM, 👍 Labour will get found out big time. 20,29 farage will be MP. 🇬🇧
Welcome to doom's day under labour
For those too young or too stupid to remember. Under the last Labour government, Highest satisfaction in the NHS "Ever". 20,000 more police officers, 32,000 police support staff. 63,000 more nursing staff. Twice as many courts, libraries, police stations. 19,000 more doctors. Average wage 31% higher. 26,000 surestart centers nationally. 2 day waiting time for GP appointments 4 hour A&E waiting time. Lowest child poverty since the war. Lowest homeless numbers since the 80s. Highest living standards since the war. BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY IMPROVEMENT "DONT VOTE FOR THE PARTY THAT EXISTS FOR YOUR BENEFIT"
Why is Ella sneering at Lee Anderson?
5 seats won not 4 Reform🏴🇬🇧
The elephant in the room is AI.
Boris betrayed us and Sunak hadnt a clue. A good number of conservativr MPs could have gone over to Reform , esp in the north and trounced Labour.
Party before people doesn't work that way
Well said Anaya, the people know what they want, these career politicians and journalist are in it for themselves.
In the end I am confident of that the reform UK party will gain power in the next election, the labour party are destined to failure especially after appointing David Lammy in one of the most important jobs in the country, let's reflect on this for a moment,
Their Energy Policies require repealing the Laws of Physics, and Supply and Demand.
The Liebour clown car will be off the road loooong before 2029.
Gaslight lies repeated enough becomes their TRUTH!!!!
The third places in Labour gains from Conservatives are equally important.
The 'sanctity' of any referendum.
If your going to debate please get your facts right
I thought this was going to be good but I turned off because it was just trivial.
Reform uk is only going to get bigger stronger now people our done with Labour they won't last 5 years far from it we british our going to pay close attention in parliament now and when labour starts messaging up like we brits no they will the British native people will want labour gone ASAP and nigal will step in as prime minister plus nigal more educated and clever then all of labour put together and that's a fact so NF for prime minister 🏴🇬🇧♥️✝️⚔️
How could anyone with conservative values voted for LIEBOUR 🤮🤯🐑
to win With less votes than Corbyn I don't think they did
MISTER. NIGEL. FARAGE. IS. ONE. VERY. HONEST AND VERY. GOOD. MAN. OF. UK. PEOPLE. AND. IS. ONE. FORTUNE. FOR. UK. PEOPLE. AGAINST. AGAINST. EVERY. DISGRACE.
Stupid question. Easy answer is shit government for 14 years.
Five seats
How about the Green revolution and the lib dem revolution too
The Tories failed to fight Woke and DEI.
Lib lab cons greens Snp are the past ..vote SDP for family freedom manufacturing and pride in Britain
Strange how Tories had 80 seat majority and then proceeded to destroy the country....
Dont talk about illegal immigration if your not going to talk about the wars we as the british have been complicit in
Many wars we the British are not complicit in Sudan, yemen, Eritrea
Vietnam, .Albania why should we accept the world of runaways
I lasted just over 60s before the drivel got to me and stopped watching.
5 seats
i voted reform and nothing is ever going to change my vote. he was asked what he would promise to do in the next 100 days swerved his answer by saying he has already done something. im confused and as a member of the public would appreciate straight talk. question. then answer. shame on all you labour voters dont start crying when our country becomes third world!!!!!!!!!!
Is Reform a 'one man band', will it implode if Donald Trump offers Nigel Farage a job in his new administration, if he becomes President?
That was actually a really interesting and informative conservation. More of this please.
Wow, a massive five seats, only 407 seats less than Labour.
There's NOT enough RACISTS in the UK for Farage to make an impact ( his already the most hated politician) he should go back to his mate Putin and give us a break.-LOL
Haven't you left the UK yet. All this rubbish about racism puts me of practising my goose stepping.
frogidge the foghorn of ignorance 🐸🐸🐸
Farage and his party' got 4 million votes come nige.
No there really aren't enough racists are there.
which is why muslims have some power
REFUK is revolting. 😂
Totally ! Led by the froghorn 🐸📯of ignorance and total🔔🔚
Why do you have Emma Whelan on as she is much more at home with BBC.
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