Drama Time - The Ethics of Esports
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
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00:00 - Intro
02:56 - World's Most Dangerous
07:20 - The Ethics of Esports
25:40 - That's Not Very Christmas
35:20 - Beware the Fountain Dancer
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That last one is a classic, someone not picking up on signals to chill until he gets kicked.
And in the retelling he sounds like an arse, and that's HIS retelling of the story.
The author definitely failed the vibe check of that group’s environment. Can’t bring that try hard attitude to a casual static. If he wanted to go hard like that you need to build your own group and set those expectations.
@@Zolototo In addition, many of the points he made at the end towards the raid leader were kind of dumb.
Lots of people use pots during prog because they have more than enough gil to not care about it, and it's better practice for muscle memory to do their full opener/normal rotation with pots than without. It isn't at all about pumping their damage, but more of being comfortable and not having to learn timings later on.
DPS during prog absolutely doesn't matter a single bit, *unless* you are actively failing a DPS check, or you are hitting enrage consistently. Most of the time, especially with experienced players, you can also make up the DPS of a single person, so the dancer being bad on that front matters exactly zero. The raid leader was 100% correct in that it is FAR more important for them to focus on getting mechanics done properly. While the point of them pressing 1 instead of 2 would be valid, neither way breaks any of the *utility* that the dancer job provides - it just lowers their DPS, which again, doesn't matter at all.
The point about the WHM rezzing after 11 seconds was idiotic. Likely they waited that long until they had Swiftcast available, since a hard rez wasn't a viable option. It doesn't matter how many people are down if you can't rez to begin with.
The author being a healer main, and having to switch to DPS was his choice. If he wanted to stay as healer, he shouldn't have joined that static. Can't blame an almost-full static for already having certain spots filled.
The girlfriend being required to take criticism is a very valid concern for a raid leader. A LOT of people will get super defensive if their partner is criticized in any way, and it just causes unnecessary problems.
@@AeriFyrein I´d disagree with you on the DPS during prog point. I personally expect both at the same time, because even if you reach enrage without doing your rotation you will basically have to reprog the whole fight again to learn your rotation. Do your rotation properly while doing mechanics properly. I want to see the bosses HP and be able to determine if we are generally on track or if we need to for example change a strat a bit for better melee uptime.
But as always, it depends on the groups expectations and if they are casual/midcore/hardcore. I don´t play in causal/midcore groups partly because of the DPS point. But if i did i shouldn´t really complain about that. The author just needed some likeminded people and i think everything would have been fine.
@@daschreina2324 To an extent, I would agree - it's definitely better for people to actually practice their proper rotation, and output as much DPS as they can. As you say, it's much easier to figure out if the fight is even doable with a given group if you can get an accurate representation of the overall DPS.
However, most people treat DPS as the be-all-end-all point to a fight, even during prog, which is wrong. Way, way too many players often fail mechanics because they want to top the DPS meters, and expect others - usually the healers - to make up for their mistakes. DPS is easily a second-place concern to doing mechanics properly during prog - unless, as I hinted at, the group is actively wiping to a DPS check during the fight and/or reaching enrage consistently.
The main point I was getting at, is that in the situation described in the story, the DPS was definitely a non-issue. The raid leader was entirely justified in not caring about how bad the Dancer was doing on DPS so long as she was able to do the mechanics properly - and it wasn't the job of the author to complain about her DPS, if said DPS didn't matter whatsoever. As soon as the raid leader acknowledged that he knew the Dancer was doing bad DPS and didn't care, the author should have simply shut the hell up on the topic.
@@AeriFyrein I didn't catch that the author was a healer main, but that's hilarious that he couldn't think of any reason a WHM couldn't rez for a few seconds (swiftcast, which is a very common reason).
Author was just a tryhard player that's bad. They do a good rotation and have good dps, but bad at mechanics. Author put the entire teams performance under a microscope, then wondered why everyone kept making tiny mistakes.
Was about to say I completely understood the outburst of the last story... *right* up until it was confirmed they cleared without him, lol
Within 90 minutes too, thats just ONE lockout and without them having ever reached enrage. Thats really really suspicious. The experienced raid leader was calling him out, so I think he was doing something wrong... and didn't notice at all.
nah, soon as dude was talking about someones low dps when they had 70+ wipes on an early mechanic that could not be solved at all with dps, I knew exactly what kind of player author was. The kind of people that ignore mechanics and focus on personal/group dps are a pain and usually kinda useless in a raid group. Dude spent all that time on logs figuring out exactly what went wrong and started to call out every tiny mistake people would make? It's no wonder people kept making mistakes when their performance was under a microscope.
That last story teller i feel had to explain how they determine how a wipe happened was a way to justify himself not being the reason for certain wipes
That ethics story was 100% a 15 y/o's fanfiction.
Was rough to listen to. Secret high end computer lab where the powers of various mental illnesses combine. Right
Nah it was a lonely 25 y/o's.
“Damn is that how it’s gonna be” after losing a legit roll is so fucking funny to me man
That E-Sports Course sounds like a scam.
Thanks for another entertaining video.
In regards for schools teaching esports, the school district I used to work for recently bought a few high end gaming laptops for just such a thing. It's a K-8 district, so I imagine they'll be used more for after-school programs than within the normal curriculum itself, but it's still crazy to think that esports has grown enough for schools to even consider it.
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The guy complaining just wants all the loot lol.
Dude, that first story with the people of learning variants was well good! I think one or more of the reasons as to why they had a good time and felt stable succession was precisely because they were who they were. Top notch, 10/10 would hear again
Honestly that's probably why I play jungle/support...shot calling and focusing on everything that's happening on a macro level seems to focus my bipolar. I do feel like video games in general help it.
Thank you Bex for the first 2024 Drama Time episode laughing like crazy at the beginning.
Damn, your hair looks great. Makes me want to look into that.
Mike killed Scratch?!!? Murderer!
That wanted poster at the start… I was like… hmm that’s not preach… then remembered wait he is British.
Oh god, did he seriously kill the dog?!?
And yeah, University eSports is absolutely a thing in the US. My husband got a pamphlet in the mail from his alma matter asking for money for their eSports team... Because eSports isn't profitable for them. XD
Also: If you're fighting with people in the group I'm pretty sure you've gone from passive aggressive to active aggressive.
If there's anything I've learned about the ff player base is that you can take the worst player you can imagine and then use that as a baseline for how about 30% of the playerbase plays. Like you can't even call that dancer the worst because they're actually using abilities.
As a Jewish man, I'd have reported the christmas dude for discrimination.
53:59 “We’re not wiping because of a lack of DPS.” I hate this thought process because, while you aren’t wiping right NOW because of a lack of DPS, trying to figure out the 2-minute burst windows while doing mechanics once you DO hit enrage is going to bite you in the ass. If you put in the work NOW to just do what is expected of you, you won’t have to put in more pulls progging your rotation. I’ve seen it happen many times with some of my friends who think once they see enrage that they’ll just instinctively be able to lay their DPS on top of the movement without practicing it much at all
it's far easier to dial in your dps rotation on a fight when you've hit enrage though, and if your group had 70+ wipes on a non-dps mechanic, maybe dps isn't the problem that needed to be looked at, which is what OP did basically immediately.
@@Akinon93 oh, I agree entirely, but I’m thinking about encounters like P12S phase 2 for Caloric Theory 2, where the 2-minute burst comes up during the incredibly stressful movement. My friend basically 1-2-3’d to enrage when we were learning the fight, and then when we were pushing for a clear, they messed up Cal 2 several times because they were trying to get all their burst out and do the movement. Felt especially bad to wipe that late in the fight 😭
Classic WoW Pug ZugZug mentality. All it takes is one bad actor and enough people who didn't get gear. Half will click to kick because they think it'll give them more chance to loot somehow and the other half just clicks to get the prompt off the screen. It's so, so rare that a vote to kick fails in a complete pug. You need to strongarm it by having a majority of friends, but even then, your friend might still click accept just by habit.
i was pugging heroic on xmas day lol
Sounds like your doing a dark urge run , not a passive run 😊
Jfc preach, you killed Scratch?? 😭😭😭
Hey does anyone know if that last guy has a girlfriend?
Yeah, pug RLs kicking people for not feeding them loot is nothing new, sadly. At least the gear's still yours.
In FFXIV, not allowed to use ANY 3rd party programs, including logs. You tell the wrong person an your reported an banned. WoW allows addons, FFXIV does not. Case an Point, some world first Savage dude was banned for a Camera addon that made it to where you can zoom further out then normal an get a real birds eye of the thing...I thought it was funny. Now the best part of the guy was he just kept going on..digging himself a hole. FFXIV isnt like WoW unless you get into a click, once your in a click you can tell about logs an be an elitist jerk all you want.
Ah, so Preach is the real Dark Urge it seems lmao. How do you even kill Scratch AND the Owlbear Cub? Absolute menace to society.
#JusticeForGale
Remember, nobody likes people who point fingers, especially those who tend to pretend nothing happened when They fuck up. So how "politely" you was giving "feedback" is Obviously not as elegant as you wanna paint it for us. They decided to kick you because they could no longer put up with it, end of story. Move on and try not to be as oppressively on others wile avoiding mirrors.
The chat is as fucking toxic as League itself. Sad that Preach allows people to behave like garbage.
2023 XD
They were at 0 wins. It was definitely unethical to help I’d say. Lol
Fr dude.... the 6.4 raids in ffxiv were so incredibly casual unfriendly, it's stunning. All the streamers praising the raid tier had to be delusional from my perspective. If you don't have a static or only a small FC and are reliant on pf to fill the party, its just impossible and felt artificial and like gatekeeping
Absolute lies about the Owlbear situation. You talked to the mother, she let you go in peace and demanded that do not come back and then you came back, even thought clearly warned not to. Then they attacked and you threw the baby at her. The baby also survived the fight and you killed it afterwards while it was mourning its mother in cold blood. Preach is menace.
Nfl shits on everything!? Last time I looked it was the worlds 8th or 9th most popular sport….
Final story, all are guilty, except the dancer, they were trying but just didn't know.
Classic mythic raider story - "I know we're wiping to mechanics but we really need to work on our dps numbers first"
I also like how his response to them immediately clearing the fight after kicking him, is "well they got a couple 60% parsers in the group", as if his group wasn't wiping to a mechanic that could not be out dps'd, and was an entirely mechanical issue. Also as if 60% parsing is some god mode parse number, like what?
Logs are great, the author just didn't know how to prog properly. Also didn't help he scrutinized every mistake the team made, and nobody's going to play well when they're being watched like a hawk.
Baka
FFXIV has such a soft community. I love the game, but the community is full of people who can't take any criticism. As soon as you tell them something about what they can do to improve, YOU'RE the ass.
in regards to the "thats not very christmas" story, I think people are just getting really burned out on folks needing a bunch of stuff they dont need in raid. its honestly becoming a problem. My main is 481 3k io and i still dont have augury or signet brand because ive lost rolls to tanks off spec rolling the last two weeks. The need system is not very good in pugs. guy was probably just fed up.
Augury and especially brand are considered best in slot or near-bis trinkets for the majority of tank specs this season, given the lack of actually useful defensive trinkets. Tanks rolling on "dps gear" that's actually better for them than comparable tank-specific pieces has been happening for most of the lifetime of WoW, and if that gear is actually an upgrade for them I don't see a problem with it.
Both of those trinkets are bis for tanks who want a offensive trinket. It's not an off-spec roll if they are using it for MS. If there was personal loot it would still be rolled exactly the same, except with personal loot you would also roll on items which are a direct downgrade while you can't roll need on normal augur/signet, if you have HC version.
Genuinely happy FF players have their own community to do whatever they want to do in because if I met someone getting pissed about logs or dps meters in WoW or any other MMOs I'd bully them
blep
That exwow player was toxic. I get it. He had different expectations, which is fine. It's just gross, especially to be toxic about the dancer. WoW players obsess over dps too much. I avoided the temptation to even download the official parsers, because this is what it leads to.
Both sides sucked. OP was definitely an asshole who just wanted to "flex" - any half brained raider knows that you just leave groups like that instead of giving them unasked "feedback", but the static didn't help either, if they are essentially doing undisclosed boost, and I get parsing grey and shit, but missing 50% GCDs and not doing any combos is just a simple boost, even some paid boost players do more shit than that.
Worst MMO player 100% a FF player
Bs schools teaching video games. Kids cant read or write but lets teach them gaming? DOOM 😂. Nothing wrong with the younger generations at all.😢
No matter how ridiculous E-sports studies is, it is still infinitely more useful in the real world than gender studies degrees.
Not wrong, but weirdly specific thing to bring up
Last story just confuses me man. Ff14 is by far the easiest MMO on the market, everything besides ultimate should not be a problem for anyone able to hold a job irl xD