You forget that Toyota’s been doing hybrids for over 25 years now. So the complexity is a moot point also the reliability we don’t know yet? Fuel economy this is not a hybrid for that. It’s a hybrid for power which is completely different. It’s gotta educate yourself before you comment.
@@DavidRC-m9w This past year or since it's been released has proven it to be a flop. Waiting for more data of the same thing until it becomes replaced or improved is a waste of time. Education complete.
@ just because the Internet tells you that doesn’t mean it’s true. There’s actually no anecdotal evidence showing that this engine is a flop, please educate yourself and stop being ignorant.
way too early to determine reliability. Fuel economy is irrelevant - if you want good fuel economy dont buy a big offroader. Cost is related to market conditions.
Ben, I drive a Corolla hybrid and have noticed the same cold weather effects on MPG. When the car heater is going to keep you warm the EV mode stay off longer and more often. This causes my MPG to fall off 15 to 20% depending on the cold. Glad you’re bringing notice to this effect.
@12dbortle and we could get Japanese made HiLux trucks without excess tariffs -- which serves only to force us to buy trucks made... in MEXICO! What's the point of this, but to hurt American consumers? They can't even use the "American jobs" argument, which is mostly specious anyway. How many small businesses used cheap Toyota trucks back in the day? Mine did! I suspect far more jobs were created by cheap reliable pickups than were "lost."
We are all watching Toyota go into "average car company" territory. It's super sad, because the average car now is basically junk and moreso boosted junk that does not produce advertised miles per gallon. The new Tundra has electrical gremlins, watch out for that. Toyota will just be like Chevy one day unless they nip it in the bud.
WIth the Rav4 hybrid, I noticed the same thing with temperatures. I live where it gets extremely hot in the summers 115+ is normal, and in the winters down to 20 degrees. If the temperature were outside of 70-80 degrees which is 98% of the year, I would get around 25mpg average. The EPA combined estimate is 40mpg! Wasn't even close to the EPA rating. Not sure how they get their numbers, but they are wildly inaccurate for the normal driver. Then after 2-3 years of driving a hybrid, the battery efficiency tanks as well. Fun stuff.
The main problem is that the drivetrain/powertrain is now needlessly complex, and costly to fix and repair. These things will not be million mile vehicles, and you definately aren't going to be be getting 15 or 20 years of service out of them, maayyyybe, 10 years and that's a stretch.
@@michaelmclovin5098 I had a 12yr old Prius, that was still running perfectly with 170K miles on it, when I traded it in. Those Hybrids can run for a LONG time.
You forgot to talk about how expensive the new Land cruiser is on top of having a so-so powertrain. 58-61k for cloth seats and huge black plastic non painted bumper. Very sad
The problem with those hybrid powertrains with small batteries is they run out of power fast, especially in the cold. Your only getting those fancy power numbers in short bursts at lower speeds. Even shorter bursts at higher speeds. The majority of the time, you are using the engine only. Thats why it feels sluggish at higher speeds. Thats also why economy goes down in the cold. The battery is way too small to provide power all the time. 100 % you take that out to the dunes with agressive driving and that battery is done. Im surprised nobody talks about that.
I have a 2023 Tacoma double cab v6 4wd. At 300.miles I dumped the oil, and put in 10w30, I change it every 4,000 miles. I have none of the engine noise of Tacoma's I hear on TH-cam, I get between 22 and 24mpg on the highway going 70-75 ish and I'm in a hilly area, the foothills of the Appalachian mountains. The engine pulls strong, I rarely have to go over 3,000 rpm. Best mid size truck I ever had. No speed demon but I can tell it's a very good one.
Just had my 10,000 mile oil change and the Landcruiser drives Flawless. with the Stock 20" rims and tires I am getting 23.6 MPG. I am not off roading yet but for a full time 4WD anything over 13MPG is pretty good. my old Acura MDX was only getting 17.1 and was not as responsive at all.
Man, you will trash that motor with a 10,000 mile oil change interval. Do yourself a favor and get your oil tested at 5K and then again at 10K. You will see a dramatic difference and find that 5K intervals is the way to go. I have NEVER lost a motor from a bearing failure, and all my motors look brand new inside, even at 150-200K on ‘em. Happy trails!
I had a 12yr old Prius, that I traded in, with 170K miles and it was still running perfectly, no real repairs in that time. Still got around 48mpg(used to get 52ish early on). The Toyota hybrid system is bulletproof.
What your seeing for milage is what I have experienced with aggressive off road tires, winter fuel and cold weather make a big difference. The tires alone will hit your milage by at least 10% no matter what the temperature is outside. OEM's select the tires they use very carefully for milage.
Blame the government. You can only blame Toyota So much, I don't think they would have abandoned their well rooted philosophy unless forced due to compliance.
@@joshuarichter3450 Yes, 100%! The Obama administration started this mess with fuel efficiency standards that forced vehicle manufacturers to reduce engine sizes and/or find alternative ways to make vehicles go farther on a gallon of gas.
“Blame the government?” Funny, every other automaker that sells in the US has to be compliant the same way Toyota does, and they’re not having issues. Maybe place the blame where it belongs : on Toyota.
There are 2 reasons why hybrid mpg goes down in the cold: 1) you are running the heater which requires the engine to be on all of the time. 2) in order for the catalytic converter to function properly, it must be at a certain temp which means that after starting, the engine does not shut off until it warms when it otherwise would. Fortunately, it's not an issue most of the year but YMMV depending on where you live.
I have a 2024 Land Cruiser that I bought in August and haven't experienced the issues discussed in this video, and that was with changing Michelin tires out to new KO3's with very little gas mileage reduction running them at 37 - 40 psi. I have driven it in warm weather and very cold/snow/snow storm/ice/switch backs/ etc multiple times in CO and experienced very little change in mpg. Driving home through the mountains I got stuck behind 6 vehicles that wouldn't pass anyone and passed all of them and looked down and was going 96 mph and couldn't even feel it and got 23.4 mpg prior to refilling with 40 miles of range left. Consistently get 23ish mpg. Came back from ABQ to Santa Fe last week and people were at 80 - 90 mph and got 21.xx going uphill to SF. I would ask if you are running premium fuel or not which makes a significant difference. Had first oil change at 500+ miles, had oil tested, no problems although it was very black and reeked of gas. Had high end filter and 0w-20 oil and have almost clear oil after 3500+ miles in cold, mountains, start/stop in town, etc, and will oil/filter changed at 5k on the odometer. It's too early to tell about longer term longevity but I really enjoy driving the LC.
Manufacturers love advertising MPG for turbo equipped vehicles that basically requires you to be completely out of boost. So if you want good MPG, you're driving a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder in a 5,000 pound vehicle with 60-70% the advertised power (since you're not using boost). The 2.7L TT v6 in an F150 gets better real world MPG (let alone in the cold) with the same power without the need of hybrid complexity and cold weakness.
That 2.7 is a great engine, robust too. I used to have it. Own the coyote V8 now which is smoother and sounds better, but MPG like a Toyota V6 Turbo. Fords power plants are better than Toyota now.
@mkyhou1160 Ford 2.7L is a good engine? Lolololol, I needed that laugh this morning. Those blocks were littered with problems. Just look it up, Ford techs talk about all the issues
@@plaisbois951 the engine had gunk issues at first, which were fixed with a side injector. The cast iron block makes it a bullet proof platform now, reliable for over a decade, there are more issues the 3.5 (which is still a lot better than the new Toyota v6s).
@mkyhou1160 way more than gunk issues thry even had issues with water collectiong in the lower intercooler where people were fixing by drilling holes to drain it. Better than Toyota v6s? Lolol, thanks for the laugh again.
Not sure where you live but in Michigan mileage always drops in the winter when they switch to the winter blend. Cars also use more fuel during the initial start up while warming up.
Why do people constantly complain and/or point out about fuel economy in off-road oriented body on frame vehicles? It’s unreal. Love or hate Toyota, I’ll never understand people complaining about this, IT IS A BOX ON WHEELS, good lord. The hybrid system in these new off road Yotas was never intended for legitimate fuel economy. Don’t drive off roaders if you want good fuel economy, it’s so simple.
They're complaining because they changed the powertrain from NA V6/V8 to turbocharged hybrids in the name of fuel economy but you end up with less reliability and worst performance in acceleration, towing, payload, etc. with minimal - if any mpg improvement.
@ I appreciate that perspective. A lot of folks online are saying that. My point is, if you drive an off road focused vehicle it doesn’t really matter what powertrain you have at the end of the day. The fuel economy isn’t going to be very good, especially if you add mods. Additionally, the reliability concerns about these new 4cyl powertrains are completely unfounded so far. It hasn’t been long enough to truly judge reliability in any meaningful way. It’s all online fan boy complaints with broad brush strokes, assumptions that they’re gonna be shit. They might be, who knows, but in my opinion everyone just loves to shit on something new.
@harlemking12 Do you offroad or use your SUV as an overlander? The new 4runner has a measly payload of 895 lbs versus the last generation which was around 1500-1700 lbs. That's huge. I'd take the almost double payload any day over an additional 1000lb towing capability. Their old v6 was tried and true and lasted for hundreds of thousands of miles. The fuel economy difference is negligible at best. The new vehicles are more expensive and will likely have less resale value due to battery degradation. There's a reason why most of the complaints about the new powertrain exist. It's because people like myself who actually use these vehicles for their intended purposes would rather have a beefier engine with less potential for mechanical and electrical failures that exist in these hybrid powertrains when they're pushed to their limits or exposed to less than ideal weather conditions. If you're buying one of these for commuting or bagging groceries, than have it. But the subsection of buyers who want an adventure vehicle are going to look elsewhere.
It won’t be no 3.4 (5vzfe) or 4.0 reliability wise that’s for sure. Like the half tons, turbos pull better and are fun to drive but unless you are on maintenance to the T it won’t outlast an old v8. People begin to give a 💩 less on power as long as the rig starts and goes everyday.
Glad I ran across this video. Finally, someone is calling out the ridiculous mileage the new hybrid tacomas are getting! I recently purchased a 24 trailhunter, and the hybrid is the only way it comes. I traded in my 23 430hp porsche macan turbo, that averaged over 20mpg for the trailhunter which is supposed to get around the same, if not better. !!NOT!! As stated in this video, mine is getting 15-16mpg tops, and that's driving it with a light foot! I am not happy at all about it, and have started a "claim" with toyota directly. Just for everyone's information, toyota wants me to take it to a dealer and have it diagnosed. So that is my next step. Along with the horrible gas mileage, the transmission engages pretty rough every time I start from a dead stop...i.e. a stop sign, or a red light, it's totally noticeable. I would appreciate any input or advice on this situation because I would have never traded the porsche for the trailhunter if I had any idea it would get horrible gas mileage. Any input would be appreciated, thanks. Oh, and btw I paid 68k for the trailhunter, that makes it sting that much more!
Those are an E rated tire. E rated tires on Toyotas always kill mpg. They are heavy and intended for heavy duty pickups. I had E rated 33’s tires on my FJ and that acceleration and mpg took a significant hit. I had c rated tires same size before that and there was difference for sure.
My 5th Gen 4Runner got 15/16mpg I only had a 19 gallon tank I only right at 300miles per tank. I have now a 4Gen Tacoma I will say I do get close to 20 mpg but the gas tank is only 15 gallons. I was disappointed because I can’t go any further in my Taco, though it doesn’t cost so much to fill up.
Sounds like performance wise, this motor exactly addresses all my complaints with the 4.0 in my 4Runner. On the other hand, the poor MPG and limited range due to small tank is a big disadvantage. I can get 400 mi per tank in my 4Runner. I typically lose about one MPG in the cold weather.
The 4-cylinder will probably suffer more MPG drop percentage-wise if the truck has heavy bumpers, rock sliders, roof racks and all the other offroad goodies loaded. At some point it may achieve lower MPG than the V8 with same offroad stuff loaded 😂
Ben, I own a 2024 OffRoad, non hybrid. I know exactly what you're saying. I'm in upstate NY; running stock everything, struggling to get above 17mpg. I get the SAME mpgs as my 2019 Tacoma. This has power off the line, but it sounds like it's going to have a heart attack. The top end is the same as the previous generation... frighteningly.slow. I'm already shopping the thing to trade it in, and it's brutal. MSRP was $54,800, I paid $51,000. I've received 4 trade in offers, none over $39,000...nobody wants these things. Some of my issues with it are hard to explain, it just doesn't seem ready. People have used the word "unrefined". I agree, but I'll add "uninspired" and "untrustworthy". They might last 300,000 miles, but I'm not sticking around to find out.
Ben I’ve owned a 2011 FJ, 2020 200 LC and a 2022 4 Runner and they have all averaged about 300ish miles per tank of gas. The 4 runner at best was getting about 320 and not anywhere near 400 miles like you mentioned.
Drove my friends Bronco with a 2.3 Turbo, and it was impressive. Equipped with a 6 speed manual, it was a blast to drive. I do hope the Fords reliability is up to par with past engines. Don't know about the milelage
Premium fuel requirement is a downer Why is the government allowing 2025 cars with even worse fuel economy than “ancient” 4Runner. This should be 50mpg 🤦🏼♂️
Government allow, let Toyota build anything they want to and the consumer will decide not the Government, I stopped buying their products cause of RUST, gave em 2 chances and road salt just it Toyotas up fast.
You want that kind of mileage you need to get into a prius........you want close to that mileage get a rav4 hybrid. Show me one vehicle that weighs the same as this here that gets 50 mpg.
Not sure where the 4runner gas mileage comparison comes into play. I owned a 2021 lunar rock pro that I was lucky to get 17mpg then with my added OffRoad suspension/wheel tire combo/and weight from rock sliders and winch/c4 bumper , I was getting 11mpg with daily driving.
Also, power/speed comparison is ludicrous. You first have to know what you want. I will tell you, hands down my new Land Cruiser is light years better, more punchy. I’m getting 17.9mpg with 20” rims and larger Toyo AT3 tires in our 20degree weather. You can’t gauge reliability in less than a year (or 5 years), and I agree the refueling too often is annoying. So I’ll go back to my 2021 4runner purchase. It wasn’t perfect, I spent over $10k in performance upgrades. I wheeled it, loved it, and it was loud and got crap gas mileage. I regrets trading it in over a year ago, and the vehicle I got when I did that was more practical. But that got lemon-laced so I went back to Toyota and as unrefined as it should be, I am loving my Land Cruiser.
Good review, I considered a 2024 NA LC as a replacement for a 2015 BMW X5 XDrive35d that was the best car I ever owned. Thinking the torque rich output and original 27 combined mpg flashed on the website before quickly being taken down would feel similar. Alas, the 27 mpg turned out to be inaccurate, then hearing this thing barely gets to 60 mph in 8 seconds, and I'm glad I didn't get one. Turbo Diesel is still the best powertrain for these types of vehicles, and here in California we have vastly superior renewable diesel fuel available (Hey EPA, if you're going to require the highest emissions standards, it's pretty tough to do that with the worst fuel quality, in the world). Anyway, ended up back with a newer BMW X5 xDrive 40i with the LCI updated B58. Sure, it would have been great to get the B57 diesel, but no more. Thanks US Government for the crappy fuel, and to Audi for Dieselgate. Although I can't blame the Germans, all those diesel high pressure fuel pump failures had to happen for a reason. Bosch has experience building fuel pumps.
I've a VW Atlas. Routinely around 25 mpg. Didn't see any difference after the temps drop. But, if you want acceleration, isn't better to get a road vehicle vs. off-road?
No problems with the e-CVT in the hybrid 4 cylinder non-turbo engines in the Highlander. No problems and we get 33 mpg average. True, it does not have to same towing capacity.
My 14 Hemi Ram with 3.31 rear end gets 16.5 in city and 22 on highway....power is obviously not an issue at any speed. 110k on the odometer...no issues.
Even the 3rd Gen Tacoma 2.7 & 3.5 ive had experience with in Maine the colder months i lose around 2 mpg. I also went up a size on tires & add 1 mpg less there as well. Toyota's hate cold weather Period. I have no complaints. Im still averaging 20mpg with the 3.5L . I also have no complaints on fuel tank size. Gives me a reason to stretch my legs when traveling.... The 4cyl turbo in the Tacoma 4th Gen is a heavier truck (from factory) That means the 4 cyl is working harder. So its a turbo-its still a 4cyl..
There’s a TSB on the transmission and involves a certain VIN number and before. The manual transmission had problems as well but has been resolved. Do you have winter fuel blends where you live? These blend are not as efficient and can cause a drop in fuel economy.
Your tire pressure will drop in the cold, which will kill mpg, especially with big tires. Are you keeping tire psi to spec? Or is it the electric heaters?
For whom is Toyota building the Land Cruiser, i.e. the use case? So glad I recently bought a 2023 4Runner TRD ORP. Sure the 2024 LC gets better fuel economy, in the summer, but you’ll need that for the extra trips to carry stuff in the LC’s small cargo area and to the dealership for service if the complex power train proves unreliable. What is up with Toyota? We’ve owned Toyotas for over 40 years. It seems Toyota is now run by marketing, not engineering. Toyota doesn’t build’em like they used to, and seems to be running on reputation, not results.
the 2.4 hybrid MAX is a turbo charge drive train. it basically an ICE with turbo & on demand elec motor assist. Check cold tire pressure, expect tires may be under inflated & have a higher roll resistance than OEM. Increasing cold tire pressure a couple pounds above recommended max pressure may help. I have toyota 2024 GHHL AWD with 2.5/hybrid, during summer best average mpg was 38, with colder weather at 36 mpg now.
I had similar experience with 3.4l turbo tundra - initially mpg was good and then I lost 2-3 mpg and after 10K I gained maybe 1 mpg. The best mpg on this engine I was getting at highway speeds around 70mph or less without any load. 4 passengers, some hills and your mpg is garbage... Driving up and down the canyon, which is my daily commute I was getting 16mpg. Town terrible. Plenty of power though, low end torque but I always had the feeling that this engine is not made for serious towing or load. Plus 108K engines recalled... Why not keep old v8 and pair with 10 speed???
Its because of winter fuels. My gas mileage dropped also. Winter gas sucks! Gas tank is too small I agree. Bigger tires with drop your mileage. I like the power train. Way better than the older v6. I owned both and there are no comparison. My trucks are Tacoma’s.
Totally agree! That powertrain sounds so buzzy...IDK I'd rather have a V6 or V8 and just deal with the decreased MPG...thats literally the only negative imo. They are simpler and more reliable....prob why companies are trying to ditch them
It needs the v6tt and a 23gal tank. For what they want for the LC, it should have a better engine option than the Taco/25 4R. I’d pic up a used LC in a few years for a fun off’roader, but I bet maintenance on the engine will be expensive.
Great recap on the engine...given your vehicles I think you are in a good position to give honest, real world feedback. I am not opposed to the 2.4cyl turbo hybrid but they should have given consumers the choice of a NA V6...let the market decide. I love the redesign, the tech, the creature comforts of these new TNGA vehicles BUT price and powertrain would prevent me from buying them.
For simplicity sake and to lower prices, I'd really like to see the 4 cylinder offered in the LC without the hybrid. Alternatively, putting the 6 cylinder in it from the Lexus without the twin turbo setup would be nice too.
When I don’t get is the Prius can get close to 60 miles a gallon with a hybrid and I do realize that it’s a lot lighter vehicle, but the Land Cruiser seems like a total failure to me! Is it really worth paying the extra cost in the hybrid, for a couple miles more per gallon?
Honda hangs onto it's naturally aspirated V6 engine for good reason. It's powerful, reliable, and relatively uncomplicated when compared to a small turbo-charged hybrid that has to work harder at higher temperatures, and has about a bazillion additional parts and components that can fail. If the incoming administration is able to make us energy self-sufficient again and cut the cost of gas and diesel in half, I have a feeling that we'll see a resurgence of V6 and V8 powerplants, because nothing beats displacement.
Nobody is buying them. How can Toyota miss the American market like that? We’ve got to have a V6,V8, or V10 like in my lambo. Porsche is running to EVs. How can you miss the market like that
Hi Ben, I really like your video and appreciate that you did so many deep review on all vehicles. I am looking for buying a 2024 Chevy Silverado 1500 ZR2 Duramax or a 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser LC edition. I know these two are in different segments, but the price range is very similar. I would like to know if it’s you, which one you would pick? I want to know which one give you a better overall driving experience, better on road off road balance. Thank you. Tundra TRD pro is not on my radar. I only want these two car.
Anything with a battery in the cold, it looses it's efficiency! Batteries are meant to be more ideal in warmer temperatures. maybe when the solid state batteries come out it will solve the problem.
You know, "premium" fuel isn't the same octane rating in different states. For example, California only has octane 91 in most of its station but octane 91 isn't premium at all in a state with 93 or 95 octane. This same land cruiser with the same engine is also sold in other countries that don't even have premium gasoline widely available. A car has knock sensors for a reason. They can adjust timing for lower octane gas on the fly. You definitely 110% don't need to run your non performance car on high octane.
My 2006 Tacoma 1GRFE v6 drops MPG drastically when it gets cold. My mileage drops from 20 MPG to 17-18 MPG. And yes, I am adding air pressure in my tires to compensate for the temperature change.
Transmission issues happened with the 2007 Tundras, 2002 Land Cruiser, 2000 Tundra. This is just based off of what I remember off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure Toyota has had more Transmission problems throughout history but one thing to note is its just for one particular MY and not something that carries a reputation for being problematic. For example, 4L60 GMs Transmissions they continued to use in all their trucks for years with a reputation for blowing up for no reason. As far as the engine goes, zero problems reported back from the turbo 4. Ironically I trust that engine way more than the twin turbo V6 in the Tundra. Remember, the twin turbo v6 has been around since 2017 and its having a history of being temperamental. As for the temperature mpg fluctuations, I'm betting it's some weird cold weather enrichment tune someone forgot to finish lol
@2011buddylee easy fix is 2003+ brake calipers and rotors. That's the big brake kit for 3rd gen 4Runners, 1st gen tacomas and early Tundra and Sequoia. Just don't tell vato zone when you return the cores lol
@@BenHardyCarsI would have to call BS. I have a hybrid Tundra and I'm getting 18 mpg in winter. That is even with letting the truck warm up. I also put larger tires on the truck. I live further north than you do and higher up. In summer I get 21-22 mpg. Plus the engine is designed for power, not fuel economy 😂
Regarding your fuel economy; I assume your using the recommended premium gas? Also, I had a thought about the hot to cold mpg discrepancy your experiencing. Could it be attributed to the electric motor assist portion of the power train?. Electronics due tend to big down in colder weather. Just my opinion.
Drove a diesel Land Cruiser Prado in Iceland in April. That vehicle was amazing. We could drive all day and not hit half a tank. Our government is stupid.
Sure, no one needs clean air, soil and water. That crappy US EPA created by Republican President Richard Nixon and his Republican administration several decades ago.
Improvements that are not improvements. The small gas tank is a deal killer once you have a good engine as a manufacturer you stick with it. You don’t make changes in order just make changes. They have lost their way. And it’s going to be very very difficult to get back.
Seems that the best course of action with these new forms of Hybrid/Electric vehicles , is a short term lease . If the vehicle doesn't preform to expectations , give it back , and move on .
They could at least make it naturally aspirated. Should also be an eCVT instead of 8 clunky gears. Still gets worse gas mileage than my 4.0 SHOC from 2004 🤣 (granted, it's on 29's)
The problem is you added bigger tires and didn't regear. You lose a little hp and lose a little mpg. It would be a better comparison if you reviewed a completely stock LC.
I put the exact same size tire on my lifted Grenadier with no, zero, none change in fuel economy. I don’t have to remember either because our second Grenadier is still stock. Two Grenadiers? Yup and a Quartermaster on order. Sold two 200 series Land Cruisers and diesel Colorado ZR2 Bison and I just assume throw rocks at all of them having the Grenadiers.
The only thing that's a flop is this click-bait video. NiMH is a cold-hardy battery chemistry, and the hybrid max setup doesn't reply on the battery nearly as much as something like a Highlander Hybrid, so that's probably making no difference. Your 33 graps are known to get shit milage, and you look to be somewhere colder, so maybe winter gas is a factor. Quit being that guy. Also, the change to smaller displacement was for emissions reduction, not necessarily better MPG.
My personal experience is that hybrid version feels more heavy an does not enjoy steep hills. Compared the2.4 in Tacoma revs up effortless and goes nimble uphill. Also finding hybrid consumes more gas. Compared to 2.4 by itself. Don't take my word, just explore later 2025 4Runner mileage specs.
The fact that your disappointed with the economy says something to me. They've added more variables, hybrid and turbo, yet the results don't justify the change from the legacy motors. I have a 23 4runner and if I had extra money to throw into another car, I'd buy a 23 lexus gx460 in v8.
Why is everyone so afraid of Turbos and Hybrids all of a sudden? Toyota has been making turbo engines since before most of the people in this comment section were born. And Hybrids, how many Prius Taxi cabs are still on the road with 300k+ miles on them? People need to get off this hate band wagon.
The prius has a highly durable 2.5L naturally aspirated engine and an eCVT transmission. It is much simpler and long lasting than the drivetrain this vehicle uses, which is a turbo 2.4 paired with an 8-speed trans.
@@Drewcardello this! The AWD is actually fun to drive, holds a lot of stuff, gets 50 MPG real world, and will get you to the ski hill fine for $30-35k. Vs a new LC, that leaves a lot of money for a 2nd or 3rd vehicle that can get 12mpg and you won't care since you don't drive it until you want to. I have off road vehicles, but I'm not buying them new off the lot and dealing with Toyota's awful distributor model.
They had to move to that engine due to meeting emissions regulations etc (among a couple other reasons). I have a 200 series (6spd) with 33' tires, and I only average 12-13.5mpg depending on driving, however I'm in a VERY hilly area in southwestern BC Canada. Love my LX570, great power/torque, awesome manners offroad too - but hate the small fuel tank. 24Gal seems too small for that big v8. Only get 220miles of reliable range to the fuel light during our backcountry trips (more on highway), I wish it had a 30+Gal tank.
We absolute love ours. Mine has plenty of torque acceleration and gets very close to the advertised fuel economy. There is a computer setting for econ mode or power mode like a Honda you're not even mentioning. Makes me wonder if you have a different software load as my 1958. My Honda couldn't even keep up with my wife driving the Landcruiser following her in highway traffic. The electric motor assist makes getting off the start shockingly fast for a turbo 4 cylinder. The range complaints are silly you can store fuel in spare jerry cans on the roof if you're going distance camping off road.
I have a 2016 4runner limited with its 4.0 V6 and get a solid consistent average of between 21 and 22 mpg. I wouldn't trade it for any new comparable Toyota truck with an overstressed turbo engine or hybrid.
Ben you should of got the 2024 lexus gx 550 overtrail in that army tan color and without the moon roof .The new GX will age well just like a Benz G Wagon
Added complexity, cost, reduced reliability and no meaningful gain in fuel economy. I’d say that is a flop.
You forget that Toyota’s been doing hybrids for over 25 years now. So the complexity is a moot point also the reliability we don’t know yet? Fuel economy this is not a hybrid for that. It’s a hybrid for power which is completely different. It’s gotta educate yourself before you comment.
@@DavidRC-m9w This past year or since it's been released has proven it to be a flop. Waiting for more data of the same thing until it becomes replaced or improved is a waste of time. Education complete.
@ just because the Internet tells you that doesn’t mean it’s true. There’s actually no anecdotal evidence showing that this engine is a flop, please educate yourself and stop being ignorant.
@@DavidRC-m9w you lost the argument once you insulted them.
way too early to determine reliability. Fuel economy is irrelevant - if you want good fuel economy dont buy a big offroader. Cost is related to market conditions.
A Land Cruiser that can't Cruise. The fuel tank is stupid small. Toyota has destroyed their entire lineup.
They abandon Edward Deming’s philosophy
Ben is slowly turning into Grizzly Adams.
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Only 4 miles more with the hybrid? Hardly worth all that extra complexity for so little savings.
Like Honda and Nissan , Toyota should have kept a V6 available in their models.
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yep, should have gone with a small displacement turbo v6, at minimum. similar to the ford 2.7
@@Slythey yes forsure
@@Slytheywhy? FORD turbos SUCK
@@christopherkozal7987 190k miles on my 2018 F150 3.5 ecoboost before it got totaled by a drunk driver- original turbos. you're being dramatic.
Ben, I drive a Corolla hybrid and have noticed the same cold weather effects on MPG. When the car heater is going to keep you warm the EV mode stay off longer and more often. This causes my MPG to fall off 15 to 20% depending on the cold. Glad you’re bringing notice to this effect.
Bundle up and keep the heat off will help
Why can’t Toyota just re-vamp their 4.0 v6 and put it in all their vehicles. Loved that engine….
Ask the government they’re responsible.
Ask the government they’re responsible. We’d have diesel options like our neighbors if it weren’t for them.
@@12dbortle oh,,,I know. Freaking Government ruins everything.
@@12dbortleyeah, most of this crap comes from California and trickles down to the rest of us.
@12dbortle and we could get Japanese made HiLux trucks without excess tariffs -- which serves only to force us to buy trucks made... in MEXICO!
What's the point of this, but to hurt American consumers? They can't even use the "American jobs" argument, which is mostly specious anyway.
How many small businesses used cheap Toyota trucks back in the day? Mine did! I suspect far more jobs were created by cheap reliable pickups than were "lost."
We are all watching Toyota go into "average car company" territory. It's super sad, because the average car now is basically junk and moreso boosted junk that does not produce advertised miles per gallon. The new Tundra has electrical gremlins, watch out for that. Toyota will just be like Chevy one day unless they nip it in the bud.
WIth the Rav4 hybrid, I noticed the same thing with temperatures. I live where it gets extremely hot in the summers 115+ is normal, and in the winters down to 20 degrees. If the temperature were outside of 70-80 degrees which is 98% of the year, I would get around 25mpg average. The EPA combined estimate is 40mpg! Wasn't even close to the EPA rating. Not sure how they get their numbers, but they are wildly inaccurate for the normal driver. Then after 2-3 years of driving a hybrid, the battery efficiency tanks as well. Fun stuff.
The main problem is that the drivetrain/powertrain is now needlessly complex, and costly to fix and repair. These things will not be million mile vehicles, and you definately aren't going to be be getting 15 or 20 years of service out of them, maayyyybe, 10 years and that's a stretch.
Sure it can! I've seen fords with those same 2.5L hybrid eCVT with 270k miles, sure the rav4 could too
@@michaelmclovin5098 I had a 12yr old Prius, that was still running perfectly with 170K miles on it, when I traded it in. Those Hybrids can run for a LONG time.
I’m failing to see where the engine is a flop….these videos are getting “click-baity”. YOU put big tires on your rig & complain about MPG.
Horrible fuel economy from the cold
I just posted about mine @BenHardyCars
Doesn't seem like it. Bigger tires and offroading are going to kill fuel economy.
Because 4 cylinders ARE NOT SELLING in the US. Land Cruisers and Tacomas are piling up on US lots. By definition that’s a FLOP. NO CLICK bait at all
@@BenHardyCarsDid you check your tire pressure? Pressure drops with temperature. Need to eliminate all of the easy variables from the equation.
You forgot to talk about how expensive the new Land cruiser is on top of having a so-so powertrain. 58-61k for cloth seats and huge black plastic non painted bumper. Very sad
I think I’ll keep my 2007 Lexus LX470. It runs great has plenty of room and is super comfortable.
The problem with those hybrid powertrains with small batteries is they run out of power fast, especially in the cold. Your only getting those fancy power numbers in short bursts at lower speeds. Even shorter bursts at higher speeds. The majority of the time, you are using the engine only. Thats why it feels sluggish at higher speeds. Thats also why economy goes down in the cold. The battery is way too small to provide power all the time. 100 % you take that out to the dunes with agressive driving and that battery is done. Im surprised nobody talks about that.
I agree that bigger engine produces more steady power and better reliability.
I have a 2023 Tacoma double cab v6 4wd. At 300.miles I dumped the oil, and put in 10w30, I change it every 4,000 miles. I have none of the engine noise of Tacoma's I hear on TH-cam, I get between 22 and 24mpg on the highway going 70-75 ish and I'm in a hilly area, the foothills of the Appalachian mountains. The engine pulls strong, I rarely have to go over 3,000 rpm. Best mid size truck I ever had. No speed demon but I can tell it's a very good one.
Just had my 10,000 mile oil change and the Landcruiser drives Flawless. with the Stock 20" rims and tires I am getting 23.6 MPG. I am not off roading yet but for a full time 4WD anything over 13MPG is pretty good. my old Acura MDX was only getting 17.1 and was not as responsive at all.
Man, you will trash that motor with a 10,000 mile oil change interval. Do yourself a favor and get your oil tested at 5K and then again at 10K. You will see a dramatic difference and find that 5K intervals is the way to go. I have NEVER lost a motor from a bearing failure, and all my motors look brand new inside, even at 150-200K on ‘em. Happy trails!
@@jeffedwards615exactly especially if it’s a turbo replace every 5k oil is cheap
10K mile oil change your land cruiser must be a lease. it won't get past 100K miles
Wow, 10,000 miles and it still drives flawless, shocking! 🙄 That’s not evidence that 10,000 mile oil change intervals are a good thing.
@cantwealljustgetalong2 I own it. Will be doing the 5k oil changes. Went with the advice of Toyota. Probably not the best idea. Thanks for the advice
I had a 12yr old Prius, that I traded in, with 170K miles and it was still running perfectly, no real repairs in that time. Still got around 48mpg(used to get 52ish early on). The Toyota hybrid system is bulletproof.
What your seeing for milage is what I have experienced with aggressive off road tires, winter fuel and cold weather make a big difference. The tires alone will hit your milage by at least 10% no matter what the temperature is outside. OEM's select the tires they use very carefully for milage.
Check tire pressures, they lose pressure in lower temp
I’m at almost 40psi
Blame the government. You can only blame Toyota So much, I don't think they would have abandoned their well rooted philosophy unless forced due to compliance.
@@joshuarichter3450 Yes, 100%! The Obama administration started this mess with fuel efficiency standards that forced vehicle manufacturers to reduce engine sizes and/or find alternative ways to make vehicles go farther on a gallon of gas.
Exactly. Other makers with the NA V6 are on borrowed time.
Yes, 100%. Blame the Obama administration for implementing policies to force manufacturers to make vehicles travel farther on a gallon of gas.
Manufacturers do NOT have to follow, they get massive incentives to comply. It's all about the money for them
“Blame the government?” Funny, every other automaker that sells in the US has to be compliant the same way Toyota does, and they’re not having issues. Maybe place the blame where it belongs : on Toyota.
There are 2 reasons why hybrid mpg goes down in the cold:
1) you are running the heater which requires the engine to be on all of the time.
2) in order for the catalytic converter to function properly, it must be at a certain temp which means that after starting, the engine does not shut off until it warms when it otherwise would.
Fortunately, it's not an issue most of the year but YMMV depending on where you live.
I have a 2024 Land Cruiser that I bought in August and haven't experienced the issues discussed in this video, and that was with changing Michelin tires out to new KO3's with very little gas mileage reduction running them at 37 - 40 psi. I have driven it in warm weather and very cold/snow/snow storm/ice/switch backs/ etc multiple times in CO and experienced very little change in mpg. Driving home through the mountains I got stuck behind 6 vehicles that wouldn't pass anyone and passed all of them and looked down and was going 96 mph and couldn't even feel it and got 23.4 mpg prior to refilling with 40 miles of range left. Consistently get 23ish mpg. Came back from ABQ to Santa Fe last week and people were at 80 - 90 mph and got 21.xx going uphill to SF. I would ask if you are running premium fuel or not which makes a significant difference. Had first oil change at 500+ miles, had oil tested, no problems although it was very black and reeked of gas. Had high end filter and 0w-20 oil and have almost clear oil after 3500+ miles in cold, mountains, start/stop in town, etc, and will oil/filter changed at 5k on the odometer. It's too early to tell about longer term longevity but I really enjoy driving the LC.
Manufacturers love advertising MPG for turbo equipped vehicles that basically requires you to be completely out of boost. So if you want good MPG, you're driving a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder in a 5,000 pound vehicle with 60-70% the advertised power (since you're not using boost). The 2.7L TT v6 in an F150 gets better real world MPG (let alone in the cold) with the same power without the need of hybrid complexity and cold weakness.
That 2.7 is a great engine, robust too. I used to have it. Own the coyote V8 now which is smoother and sounds better, but MPG like a Toyota V6 Turbo. Fords power plants are better than Toyota now.
can you elaborate on your first point??
@mkyhou1160 Ford 2.7L is a good engine? Lolololol, I needed that laugh this morning. Those blocks were littered with problems. Just look it up, Ford techs talk about all the issues
@@plaisbois951 the engine had gunk issues at first, which were fixed with a side injector. The cast iron block makes it a bullet proof platform now, reliable for over a decade, there are more issues the 3.5 (which is still a lot better than the new Toyota v6s).
@mkyhou1160 way more than gunk issues thry even had issues with water collectiong in the lower intercooler where people were fixing by drilling holes to drain it. Better than Toyota v6s? Lolol, thanks for the laugh again.
Not sure where you live but in Michigan mileage always drops in the winter when they switch to the winter blend. Cars also use more fuel during the initial start up while warming up.
Why do people constantly complain and/or point out about fuel economy in off-road oriented body on frame vehicles? It’s unreal. Love or hate Toyota, I’ll never understand people complaining about this, IT IS A BOX ON WHEELS, good lord. The hybrid system in these new off road Yotas was never intended for legitimate fuel economy. Don’t drive off roaders if you want good fuel economy, it’s so simple.
fuel economy is horrible
@@tmadsosasd8079 its an off roader and has big tires
They're complaining because they changed the powertrain from NA V6/V8 to turbocharged hybrids in the name of fuel economy but you end up with less reliability and worst performance in acceleration, towing, payload, etc. with minimal - if any mpg improvement.
@ I appreciate that perspective. A lot of folks online are saying that. My point is, if you drive an off road focused vehicle it doesn’t really matter what powertrain you have at the end of the day. The fuel economy isn’t going to be very good, especially if you add mods. Additionally, the reliability concerns about these new 4cyl powertrains are completely unfounded so far. It hasn’t been long enough to truly judge reliability in any meaningful way. It’s all online fan boy complaints with broad brush strokes, assumptions that they’re gonna be shit. They might be, who knows, but in my opinion everyone just loves to shit on something new.
@harlemking12 Do you offroad or use your SUV as an overlander? The new 4runner has a measly payload of 895 lbs versus the last generation which was around 1500-1700 lbs. That's huge. I'd take the almost double payload any day over an additional 1000lb towing capability. Their old v6 was tried and true and lasted for hundreds of thousands of miles. The fuel economy difference is negligible at best. The new vehicles are more expensive and will likely have less resale value due to battery degradation.
There's a reason why most of the complaints about the new powertrain exist. It's because people like myself who actually use these vehicles for their intended purposes would rather have a beefier engine with less potential for mechanical and electrical failures that exist in these hybrid powertrains when they're pushed to their limits or exposed to less than ideal weather conditions. If you're buying one of these for commuting or bagging groceries, than have it. But the subsection of buyers who want an adventure vehicle are going to look elsewhere.
Thanks I thought 10k was way too much but Toyota kept insisting. Will definitely switch to 5k.
It won’t be no 3.4 (5vzfe) or 4.0 reliability wise that’s for sure. Like the half tons, turbos pull better and are fun to drive but unless you are on maintenance to the T it won’t outlast an old v8. People begin to give a 💩 less on power as long as the rig starts and goes everyday.
Enjoyed the candid perspective
Fear of missing out is a thing but it looks like i can confidently skip this new land cruiser
Heck yeah. It's ugly, overpriced, and nobody wants that engine. Same as the 6th gen 4R!
Glad I ran across this video. Finally, someone is calling out the ridiculous mileage the new hybrid tacomas are getting! I recently purchased a 24 trailhunter, and the hybrid is the only way it comes.
I traded in my 23 430hp porsche macan turbo, that averaged over 20mpg for the trailhunter which is supposed to get around the same, if not better. !!NOT!! As stated in this video, mine is getting 15-16mpg tops, and that's driving it with a light foot! I am not happy at all about it, and have started a "claim" with toyota directly. Just for everyone's information, toyota wants me to take it to a dealer and have it diagnosed. So that is my next step.
Along with the horrible gas mileage, the transmission engages pretty rough every time I start from a dead stop...i.e. a stop sign, or a red light, it's totally noticeable.
I would appreciate any input or advice on this situation because I would have never traded the porsche for the trailhunter if I had any idea it would get horrible gas mileage. Any input would be appreciated, thanks.
Oh, and btw I paid 68k for the trailhunter, that makes it sting that much more!
Look into what you need to get it considered under your state's lemon law.
My new one is awesome. Got it in July. I didn’t buy it for 25mpg and get 22. Way nicer than prior models.
Those are an E rated tire. E rated tires on Toyotas always kill mpg. They are heavy and intended for heavy duty pickups. I had E rated 33’s tires on my FJ and that acceleration and mpg took a significant hit. I had c rated tires same size before that and there was difference for sure.
My 5th Gen 4Runner got 15/16mpg I only had a 19 gallon tank I only right at 300miles per tank. I have now a 4Gen Tacoma I will say I do get close to 20 mpg but the gas tank is only 15 gallons. I was disappointed because I can’t go any further in my Taco, though it doesn’t cost so much to fill up.
Sounds like performance wise, this motor exactly addresses all my complaints with the 4.0 in my 4Runner. On the other hand, the poor MPG and limited range due to small tank is a big disadvantage. I can get 400 mi per tank in my 4Runner. I typically lose about one MPG in the cold weather.
The 4-cylinder will probably suffer more MPG drop percentage-wise if the truck has heavy bumpers, rock sliders, roof racks and all the other offroad goodies loaded. At some point it may achieve lower MPG than the V8 with same offroad stuff loaded 😂
Ben, I own a 2024 OffRoad, non hybrid. I know exactly what you're saying. I'm in upstate NY; running stock everything, struggling to get above 17mpg. I get the SAME mpgs as my 2019 Tacoma. This has power off the line, but it sounds like it's going to have a heart attack. The top end is the same as the previous generation... frighteningly.slow.
I'm already shopping the thing to trade it in, and it's brutal. MSRP was $54,800, I paid $51,000. I've received 4 trade in offers, none over $39,000...nobody wants these things.
Some of my issues with it are hard to explain, it just doesn't seem ready. People have used the word "unrefined". I agree, but I'll add "uninspired" and "untrustworthy". They might last 300,000 miles, but I'm not sticking around to find out.
Ben I’ve owned a 2011 FJ, 2020 200 LC and a 2022 4 Runner and they have all averaged about 300ish miles per tank of gas. The 4 runner at best was getting about 320 and not anywhere near 400 miles like you mentioned.
Reason why you don't buy the first production model year. Yall should wait a few years until they work out the kinks.
These are not kinks that can or will be fixed.
They've been in design for years and have little up side to show for it.
@@chrisrauschning7376 the 5.7L is V8 is terrible when first came out toyota fixed it overtime and made it indestructible
My biggest beef with this car is that it requires premium. If they would have at least spec'ed it for regular that would have been much more welcome.
Good to see U back.
Stay strong...
Drove my friends Bronco with a 2.3 Turbo, and it was impressive. Equipped with a 6 speed manual, it was a blast to drive. I do hope the Fords reliability is up to par with past engines. Don't know about the milelage
Premium fuel requirement is a downer
Why is the government allowing 2025 cars with even worse fuel economy than “ancient” 4Runner.
This should be 50mpg
🤦🏼♂️
Government allow, let Toyota build anything they want to and the consumer will decide not the Government, I stopped buying their products cause of RUST, gave em 2 chances and road salt just it Toyotas up fast.
@@Mr99Burns
“Government allow”
WTF are you talking about ?
Toyota can build what ever they want
You want that kind of mileage you need to get into a prius........you want close to that mileage get a rav4 hybrid. Show me one vehicle that weighs the same as this here that gets 50 mpg.
Not sure where the 4runner gas mileage comparison comes into play. I owned a 2021 lunar rock pro that I was lucky to get 17mpg then with my added OffRoad suspension/wheel tire combo/and weight from rock sliders and winch/c4 bumper , I was getting 11mpg with daily driving.
Also, power/speed comparison is ludicrous. You first have to know what you want. I will tell you, hands down my new Land Cruiser is light years better, more punchy. I’m getting 17.9mpg with 20” rims and larger Toyo AT3 tires in our 20degree weather. You can’t gauge reliability in less than a year (or 5 years), and I agree the refueling too often is annoying. So I’ll go back to my 2021 4runner purchase. It wasn’t perfect, I spent over $10k in performance upgrades. I wheeled it, loved it, and it was loud and got crap gas mileage. I regrets trading it in over a year ago, and the vehicle I got when I did that was more practical. But that got lemon-laced so I went back to Toyota and as unrefined as it should be, I am loving my Land Cruiser.
Good review, I considered a 2024 NA LC as a replacement for a 2015 BMW X5 XDrive35d that was the best car I ever owned. Thinking the torque rich output and original 27 combined mpg flashed on the website before quickly being taken down would feel similar. Alas, the 27 mpg turned out to be inaccurate, then hearing this thing barely gets to 60 mph in 8 seconds, and I'm glad I didn't get one. Turbo Diesel is still the best powertrain for these types of vehicles, and here in California we have vastly superior renewable diesel fuel available (Hey EPA, if you're going to require the highest emissions standards, it's pretty tough to do that with the worst fuel quality, in the world). Anyway, ended up back with a newer BMW X5 xDrive 40i with the LCI updated B58. Sure, it would have been great to get the B57 diesel, but no more. Thanks US Government for the crappy fuel, and to Audi for Dieselgate. Although I can't blame the Germans, all those diesel high pressure fuel pump failures had to happen for a reason. Bosch has experience building fuel pumps.
I've a VW Atlas. Routinely around 25 mpg. Didn't see any difference after the temps drop. But, if you want acceleration, isn't better to get a road vehicle vs. off-road?
No problems with the e-CVT in the hybrid 4 cylinder non-turbo engines in the Highlander. No problems and we get 33 mpg average. True, it does not have to same towing capacity.
The eCVT 2.5L is much better than the drivetrain in the video
My 14 Hemi Ram with 3.31 rear end gets 16.5 in city and 22 on highway....power is obviously not an issue at any speed. 110k on the odometer...no issues.
Even the 3rd Gen Tacoma 2.7 & 3.5 ive had experience with in Maine the colder months i lose around 2 mpg. I also went up a size on tires & add 1 mpg less there as well. Toyota's hate cold weather Period. I have no complaints. Im still averaging 20mpg with the 3.5L . I also have no complaints on fuel tank size. Gives me a reason to stretch my legs when traveling.... The 4cyl turbo in the Tacoma 4th Gen is a heavier truck (from factory) That means the 4 cyl is working harder. So its a turbo-its still a 4cyl..
There’s a TSB on the transmission and involves a certain VIN number and before. The manual transmission had problems as well but has been resolved. Do you have winter fuel blends where you live? These blend are not as efficient and can cause a drop in fuel economy.
Your tire pressure will drop in the cold, which will kill mpg, especially with big tires. Are you keeping tire psi to spec? Or is it the electric heaters?
For whom is Toyota building the Land Cruiser, i.e. the use case? So glad I recently bought a 2023 4Runner TRD ORP. Sure the 2024 LC gets better fuel economy, in the summer, but you’ll need that for the extra trips to carry stuff in the LC’s small cargo area and to the dealership for service if the complex power train proves unreliable.
What is up with Toyota? We’ve owned Toyotas for over 40 years. It seems Toyota is now run by marketing, not engineering. Toyota doesn’t build’em like they used to, and seems to be running on reputation, not results.
the venerable 5.7L V8 has many issues when first came out you clown....give toyota to fix things up
Bought the same 4R. Hoping to drive it for 25 years.
Appreciate the honesty Ben
My fuel economy drops when they change to ethanol winter blend. It also happens when it's cold. Are you sure it's not that?
the 2.4 hybrid MAX is a turbo charge drive train. it basically an ICE with turbo & on demand elec motor assist. Check cold tire pressure, expect tires may be under inflated & have a higher roll resistance than OEM. Increasing cold tire pressure a couple pounds above recommended max pressure may help.
I have toyota 2024 GHHL AWD with 2.5/hybrid, during summer best average mpg was 38, with colder weather at 36 mpg now.
Your bigger tires Im sure are heavier, gas companies have switched over to winter blend fuel. Both contribute to lower gas mileage.
Still getting 15mpg in the V8 LC
@@BenHardyCars your LC is not designed for bigger and heavier tires. I can tell you this I couldn't live with that small gas tank combined with 15mpg.
This hybrid system is never meant for high mpg, its to assist the small engine by adding more torque. Torque helps a lot
I had similar experience with 3.4l turbo tundra - initially mpg was good and then I lost 2-3 mpg and after 10K I gained maybe 1 mpg. The best mpg on this engine I was getting at highway speeds around 70mph or less without any load. 4 passengers, some hills and your mpg is garbage... Driving up and down the canyon, which is my daily commute I was getting 16mpg. Town terrible. Plenty of power though, low end torque but I always had the feeling that this engine is not made for serious towing or load. Plus 108K engines recalled... Why not keep old v8 and pair with 10 speed???
Its because of winter fuels. My gas mileage dropped also. Winter gas sucks! Gas tank is too small I agree. Bigger tires with drop your mileage. I like the power train. Way better than the older v6. I owned both and there are no comparison. My trucks are Tacoma’s.
Unlike some other manufacturers, I believe Toyota will sort this out.
Totally agree! That powertrain sounds so buzzy...IDK I'd rather have a V6 or V8 and just deal with the decreased MPG...thats literally the only negative imo. They are simpler and more reliable....prob why companies are trying to ditch them
Exactly!!!!!
It needs the v6tt and a 23gal tank. For what they want for the LC, it should have a better engine option than the Taco/25 4R. I’d pic up a used LC in a few years for a fun off’roader, but I bet maintenance on the engine will be expensive.
One of the most honest ownership reviews. Thank you for this.
Great recap on the engine...given your vehicles I think you are in a good position to give honest, real world feedback. I am not opposed to the 2.4cyl turbo hybrid but they should have given consumers the choice of a NA V6...let the market decide. I love the redesign, the tech, the creature comforts of these new TNGA vehicles BUT price and powertrain would prevent me from buying them.
For simplicity sake and to lower prices, I'd really like to see the 4 cylinder offered in the LC without the hybrid. Alternatively, putting the 6 cylinder in it from the Lexus without the twin turbo setup would be nice too.
That would be nice.
V6 would be cool
When I don’t get is the Prius can get close to 60 miles a gallon with a hybrid and I do realize that it’s a lot lighter vehicle, but the Land Cruiser seems like a total failure to me! Is it really worth paying the extra cost in the hybrid, for a couple miles more per gallon?
Honda hangs onto it's naturally aspirated V6 engine for good reason. It's powerful, reliable, and relatively uncomplicated when compared to a small turbo-charged hybrid that has to work harder at higher temperatures, and has about a bazillion additional parts and components that can fail.
If the incoming administration is able to make us energy self-sufficient again and cut the cost of gas and diesel in half, I have a feeling that we'll see a resurgence of V6 and V8 powerplants, because nothing beats displacement.
Nobody is buying them. How can Toyota miss the American market like that? We’ve got to have a V6,V8, or V10 like in my lambo. Porsche is running to EVs. How can you miss the market like that
Stellantis: hold my beer!
My 2004 with the V8 gets better mileage. I see 19-21 on the highway. But I’m sure the air is cleaner with these new cars. I’m sticking with the V8.
Same here! 04 Explorer 4.0 gets better gas mileage than the new ones with turbo 2.3's haha
Use eco mode to save gas. Use sport mode to pass. That’s what I do with my 4th gen taco non hybdrid. Averaging 20.2-20.3 mpg
Hi Ben, I really like your video and appreciate that you did so many deep review on all vehicles. I am looking for buying a 2024 Chevy Silverado 1500 ZR2 Duramax or a 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser LC edition. I know these two are in different segments, but the price range is very similar. I would like to know if it’s you, which one you would pick? I want to know which one give you a better overall driving experience, better on road off road balance. Thank you. Tundra TRD pro is not on my radar. I only want these two car.
Anything with a battery in the cold, it looses it's efficiency! Batteries are meant to be more ideal in warmer temperatures. maybe when the solid state batteries come out it will solve the problem.
...not only is the mileage and range poor, but to make things worse, it requires Premium Fuel only...
Someone explain to me why it requires Premium...when the TRD Pro will only require regular fuel, with the same exact engine
OH NOZ Baw!!!!! You should be using premium anyway.
You know, "premium" fuel isn't the same octane rating in different states. For example, California only has octane 91 in most of its station but octane 91 isn't premium at all in a state with 93 or 95 octane. This same land cruiser with the same engine is also sold in other countries that don't even have premium gasoline widely available.
A car has knock sensors for a reason. They can adjust timing for lower octane gas on the fly. You definitely 110% don't need to run your non performance car on high octane.
@@JC_DILLO Americans have too much involvement with Toyota management---
What requires premium fuel ?
My 2006 Tacoma 1GRFE v6 drops MPG drastically when it gets cold. My mileage drops from 20 MPG to 17-18 MPG. And yes, I am adding air pressure in my tires to compensate for the temperature change.
Interesting, sounds like v8s just don’t care about the cold
Have eu lc fe 2,8 turbocharged 4 cilinder diesel, getting 9,9l/100km, or 24mpg. Really happy with engine, but can admit tank could be bigger.
Transmission issues happened with the 2007 Tundras, 2002 Land Cruiser, 2000 Tundra. This is just based off of what I remember off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure Toyota has had more Transmission problems throughout history but one thing to note is its just for one particular MY and not something that carries a reputation for being problematic. For example, 4L60 GMs Transmissions they continued to use in all their trucks for years with a reputation for blowing up for no reason.
As far as the engine goes, zero problems reported back from the turbo 4. Ironically I trust that engine way more than the twin turbo V6 in the Tundra. Remember, the twin turbo v6 has been around since 2017 and its having a history of being temperamental.
As for the temperature mpg fluctuations, I'm betting it's some weird cold weather enrichment tune someone forgot to finish lol
@2011buddylee easy fix is 2003+ brake calipers and rotors. That's the big brake kit for 3rd gen 4Runners, 1st gen tacomas and early Tundra and Sequoia. Just don't tell vato zone when you return the cores lol
@@2011buddylee that's one way to upgrade your brakes...
Ben, am a huge fan, of your reviews, but sometimes, I think you don't know what to post or talk about, where is the engine flop??????
Horrible fuel economy from the cold
@@BenHardyCarsI would have to call BS. I have a hybrid Tundra and I'm getting 18 mpg in winter. That is even with letting the truck warm up. I also put larger tires on the truck. I live further north than you do and higher up. In summer I get 21-22 mpg. Plus the engine is designed for power, not fuel economy 😂
@@BenHardyCarsClick bait….
Your click bait is flop, not the motor. What a waist of time…
He talks out of both sides of his mouth too much.
Regarding your fuel economy; I assume your using the recommended premium gas? Also, I had a thought about the hot to cold mpg discrepancy your experiencing. Could it be attributed to the electric motor assist portion of the power train?. Electronics due tend to big down in colder weather. Just my opinion.
I only use premium in all of my cars
This review is a huge flop.
Drove a diesel Land Cruiser Prado in Iceland in April. That vehicle was amazing. We could drive all day and not hit half a tank. Our government is stupid.
Sure, no one needs clean air, soil and water.
That crappy US EPA created by Republican President Richard Nixon and his Republican administration several decades ago.
Most all hybrids get lower fuel economy in cold weather.
Improvements that are not improvements. The small gas tank is a deal killer once you have a good engine as a manufacturer you stick with it. You don’t make changes in order just make changes. They have lost their way. And it’s going to be very very difficult to get back.
The hybrid system should have been an option instead of being forced on everyone.
EPA regs and cost cutting at work. Flies in the face of the Land Cruiser tradition. Nice video.
with the slightly taller tires it may be more of a computing problem with the mpg display rather than an actual problem.
Seems that the best course of action with these new forms of Hybrid/Electric vehicles , is a short term lease . If the vehicle doesn't preform to expectations , give it back , and move on .
They could at least make it naturally aspirated. Should also be an eCVT instead of 8 clunky gears. Still gets worse gas mileage than my 4.0 SHOC from 2004 🤣 (granted, it's on 29's)
The problem is you added bigger tires and didn't regear. You lose a little hp and lose a little mpg. It would be a better comparison if you reviewed a completely stock LC.
CAN you re-gear this beast?
I put the exact same size tire on my lifted Grenadier with no, zero, none change in fuel economy. I don’t have to remember either because our second Grenadier is still stock. Two Grenadiers? Yup and a Quartermaster on order. Sold two 200 series Land Cruisers and diesel Colorado ZR2 Bison and I just assume throw rocks at all of them having the Grenadiers.
The only thing that's a flop is this click-bait video. NiMH is a cold-hardy battery chemistry, and the hybrid max setup doesn't reply on the battery nearly as much as something like a Highlander Hybrid, so that's probably making no difference. Your 33 graps are known to get shit milage, and you look to be somewhere colder, so maybe winter gas is a factor. Quit being that guy. Also, the change to smaller displacement was for emissions reduction, not necessarily better MPG.
It’s still a S engine..should have kept the V6 or install an Inline 6.
I wish Toyota still offered a base model 2.7 liter Tacoma with manual transmission.
You know what else gives you bad MPG’s? Lead feet… just slow down, public roads aren’t race tracks.
Got a Sequoia TRD PRO amazing engine beast and a beauty!!!! I dunno about the rest of lemons 🍋 but so far been stoked and blessed
My personal experience is that hybrid version feels more heavy an does not enjoy steep hills. Compared the2.4 in Tacoma revs up effortless and goes nimble uphill. Also finding hybrid consumes more gas. Compared to 2.4 by itself. Don't take my word, just explore later 2025 4Runner mileage specs.
The fact that your disappointed with the economy says something to me. They've added more variables, hybrid and turbo, yet the results don't justify the change from the legacy motors. I have a 23 4runner and if I had extra money to throw into another car, I'd buy a 23 lexus gx460 in v8.
Why is everyone so afraid of Turbos and Hybrids all of a sudden? Toyota has been making turbo engines since before most of the people in this comment section were born. And Hybrids, how many Prius Taxi cabs are still on the road with 300k+ miles on them? People need to get off this hate band wagon.
JUNK
The prius has a highly durable 2.5L naturally aspirated engine and an eCVT transmission.
It is much simpler and long lasting than the drivetrain this vehicle uses, which is a turbo 2.4 paired with an 8-speed trans.
@@Drewcardello this!
The AWD is actually fun to drive, holds a lot of stuff, gets 50 MPG real world, and will get you to the ski hill fine for $30-35k.
Vs a new LC, that leaves a lot of money for a 2nd or 3rd vehicle that can get 12mpg and you won't care since you don't drive it until you want to.
I have off road vehicles, but I'm not buying them new off the lot and dealing with Toyota's awful distributor model.
So, it's gutless going uphill on the highway. Wow, it's a flop. 8th gen Civic Si still reigns supreme.
They had to move to that engine due to meeting emissions regulations etc (among a couple other reasons). I have a 200 series (6spd) with 33' tires, and I only average 12-13.5mpg depending on driving, however I'm in a VERY hilly area in southwestern BC Canada. Love my LX570, great power/torque, awesome manners offroad too - but hate the small fuel tank. 24Gal seems too small for that big v8. Only get 220miles of reliable range to the fuel light during our backcountry trips (more on highway), I wish it had a 30+Gal tank.
I had a supercharger installed on my 5th gen 4Runner. I'll stick with that as long as it remains reliable
We absolute love ours. Mine has plenty of torque acceleration and gets very close to the advertised fuel economy. There is a computer setting for econ mode or power mode like a Honda you're not even mentioning. Makes me wonder if you have a different software load as my 1958. My Honda couldn't even keep up with my wife driving the Landcruiser following her in highway traffic. The electric motor assist makes getting off the start shockingly fast for a turbo 4 cylinder. The range complaints are silly you can store fuel in spare jerry cans on the roof if you're going distance camping off road.
Ben I’ve said it before. It looks like Toyota just took a pile of wire and parts and just threw them under the hood. Poor quality.
I have a 2016 4runner limited with its 4.0 V6 and get a solid consistent average of between 21 and 22 mpg. I wouldn't trade it for any new comparable Toyota truck with an overstressed turbo engine or hybrid.
Ben you should of got the 2024 lexus gx 550 overtrail in that army tan color and without the moon roof .The new GX will age well just like a Benz G Wagon