Camilla should have been banned long before she finally was. I still couldn’t believe she was able to talk to Leroy the way she did and was still able to play smh
Leroy being ok enough to allow her to stay allowed her to finish the season. If she ever gets insuranceor what ever is holding her back she will return.
They don’t care when racist shit is said or done until they face backlash. They don’t care. Lol. Just like they are ok with bullying. Abusing women and also homophobia
The only reason why she was able to finish is exactly what LWC said. Leroy brushed it off. He wasnt happy but he didnt make a huge deal about it. had he treated it like the Dee situation she would have been gone.
It’s all about the ratings for MTV and they know all too well how the Jerry Springer effect works and learned that if you lubricate volatile situation will lead to Springer going into full effect!!!! MYV orchestrated and cause all of this he terrible people to become popular and they know Americans regardless of what they say will always watch the car or train wreck happen rather than turn the channel!!! So everyone commenting her helped the people stay on the show by watching the show in a he hopes of seeing something happen!!! So no real reason to complain about something that they all helped to cause in the end!!!!!!
Camilla should never be allowed back especially if dee is banned for what she said. All of the cast mates have said her rant towards Leroy was way worse than mtv showed. There would be way too much backlash to bring her back
Leroy was a legend for not putting hands on her, I don't advocate violence but what she did was behond the limits and I don't know if I would have restrained as hard as Lee did.
Another thing I noticed, one of the early seasons, Jonny Bananas makes some pretty bad homophobic comments about Tyler in front of everyone and it seemed really inappropriate. Nobody said anything but Tyler said in the interview thing after the scene that it was hurtful.
Man am I the only one missing Turbo!!? He instantly became one of my favorite competitors after his first season and have been missing him ever since. He was funny and a great competitor. They need to bring him back ASAP!
The incident with Jordan wasn’t the first time something like that happens (although not as bad, I believe there was an outburst in his prior season). He would be someone that would have show how he is managing his temper (like proving he went to anger management or something), which they would have him do a mercenary trial run, like they did with CT.
@@marklisowski6549 oh no I completely understand it want his first outburst. But come on now! Ct has punched people in the show..look at how many outburst Camila had before finally getting banned. And not to mention all the other countless times people went over board and didn't get kicked out. I think it's just the simple fact that people were actually scared of Turbo since he would most likely actually destroy anyone in the challenge lol I'm sure Jordan or Tory probably told production they were scared for their life
@@miguelp619 in light of CT’s altercation with Adam (possibly even Davis as well if people were more concerned of a pattern than one incident), cast mates made it clear they were not okay if he was on for the following season afterwards, and even CT stated the needed to step away and re-evaluate himself was in light of how his brother’s death affected him. Camilla should have been banned awhile ago, but got spared be the good graces of other people, whether other cast mates (like Leroy and maybe even Tony sobering up after their altercation got them kicked out) and maybe production (like the whole Challenge vs MTV situation that other fans/commentators have mentioned that benefits Ashley getting re-casted). I mentioned in another reply that the issue with Turbo has less to do with other cast mates (regardless of who provoked, like Jordan, or even instigated, like Cara Maria, that situation) and more his inability to diffuse himself when security and production were trying to restrain him after the altercation. Someone mentioned in a different comment/reply that he actually hit someone on the security/production end while they were separating him and Jordan. In Turbo’s case, there was more than the altercation itself over why he hasn’t return (at least yet).
You left out one very important detail about CT's temporary ban: a few cast members refused to film if he would have been casted. Which is exactly what will happen if they ever bring Camila back.
I'm surprised they brought him back. Punching Adam was not the first time CT got physical with someone. CT is a big guy & if anyone got hurt after that incident, MTV would've been sued into non-existence knowing he was a liability.
@@gertibellif CT's actions were in todays cancel culture he wouldn't be on still. He's lucky in that he turned around before the network got more worried about liability.
Nope... They have edited stuff out but not in the same light as to cancel a cast member. It was always to save face and keep up the good guy persona aka so people like Camilla can still come back.. Her fight with Leroy only showed 30% out of 100% (coming from numerous people who where on that season). There was so much more they could have shown involving Camilla's melt downs but they watered it down when really she was dropping the N word to Lee and other racist remarks. The people that run this show have saved CT's behind from major ridicule from the fans in the past. He's in the clear now since he's older and more chill. If you noticed though, CT is one of those names as of late that is getting called out for getting good guy edits.. So basically they been editing some major cliff notes that would have cancelled man popular names. It's nothing new... You also had Evan and Kenny that were openly kicked off the show.. After the Tonya + tooth brush incident and if you re-watch that season ( one of the two seasons on Netflix) they edit out some fishy stuff involving that night.. Lol don't kid yourself.
Camila is the only cast member who got an insurance ban. The actual insurance who covers liabilities for the show said that they would not insure the show if she was ever on the premises ever again. Forever.
@@Yvesangelic14according to Google, insurance liability “provides protection against claims resulting from injuries and damage to people and/or property”, so what the original comment or is saying is that the people that provide that protection have said that if Camille were to join a future season, they will no longer provided liability insurance. Basically is Camille were to return, The Challenge would have less protection in court
I watched Bear's season of Big Brother UK. He was an absolute terror but people in the UK vote who goes home, so they kept him there to torture & fight with the cast. He was good TV if you like insane villains.
mattie would’ve been a beast!! i’m upset that we didn’t really get to see her abilities and what she has to offer but even in the short amount of time she had she still made an impact
"One night of potential bad ideas" the fact that it happened in one night does not make it any less shitty. Thats like when that swimmer fondled a drunk girl behind a dumpster and his dad said 20 mins of action shouldnt ruin his life. No bro, you don't get that choice anymore. You deal with the consequences of your actions
Jemmye confirmed that Camila is banned from any MTV production. They would never bring her back cause it would cause too much of an uproar (justified) from fans and press
They also have to insure each cast member and she is too much of a liability. The golf cart incident is enough, but the racist remarks and constant meltdowns/fights, I don’t want to see her win any more money.
Can I just say though, War of Worlds I and II were probably the best seasons in recent years. Problematic people aside; all in all both were great seasons. The drama was there and each season had some of the best competitiors I've seen in years. Such a shame they've banned so many of them.
Such a shame they couldn’t behave like decent adults. Racially insensitive remarks and outright racist quips should not be tolerated at the expense of contestants of color. No discrimination should be tolerated. Live with the consequences.
Let's also not forget that Theo Campbell is also kinda on the banned list. Not for anything that he did but his eye getting split in a freak accident also means he won't come back ever.
Camilla has been saying racists things for years. On Battle of the seasons and Cutthroat with Brandon. Saying horrible things to Big Easy. Even when she talked Emily into putting chocolate pudding on her face to make fun of Ty on Battle of the Exs. Leroy was Not the first time. The world is "WOKE" now. She's been that way.
Evan literally commited a sexual assault and Johnny didn't. Plain and simple. Johnny was an asshole but I cant ever see him raping an unconscious woman with a toothbrush like Evan did.......
Folks are saying well because Leroy “brushed it off” from what happened between him & Camila… why does that matter??? MTV should have still stepped in & said nah this isn’t cool, she still needs to go
I think if you’re gonna talk about it as “the toothbrush incident” you should just be clear what we are talking about…tonya said that evan and kenny sexually assaulted her with a toothbrush while she was passed out
Yup allegedly. I honestly believe Tonya is batshit crazy and it makes her very less credible. But I heard somewhere that Wes said it was true and that production knew because it was his toothbrush and production got him a knew one. But there is no video evidence of this which is surprising because they are always rolling so it might be made up. I guess we will never know
Thank you!! I feel like this was downplayed in the video as well. I’m sure the show does not want to admit how they dropped the ball big time in keeping a member of the cast safe.
@@Vincent12 and I would think it is was real and there was convictions (ie meaning that both men labeled sexual assault) how can Kenny be a personal trainer? I'd think he'd not be able to have that kind of job if a sexual predator...
Thank you. I was so confused what the hell he was talking about. He added Evan and Kenny to the list then never explained why they were banned. Really weird of him to do.
turbo shouldn’t deserved to be “ban” either. language barriers is a huge thing also in the challenge, jordan was a dick for even trying to set him off.
You’re right, They should have someone on the crew who speaks Turkish and can properly deescalate. People get pissed off on the show and can be told to chill out in a way they understand he should have that too
Sadly his recent meltdown has scared production. When a grown man keeps claiming that he will kill ___ than yeah we have a future insurance problem lol. This isn't some American in his early 20s looking for camera shine. The show picked up on it, he has his fucked up "code" that he likes to live by. They have stopped calling more known names for silly reasons. I really don't see him coming back sadly. We have a better shot at seeing Wes comeback to the Challenge by 2025 compared to Turbo imo.
Turbo isn't banned. MTV could also pay the high insurance since he brings in views. However he called out MTV for racism and that's probably why he won't be back.
The reason CT was unstable was because his brother was murdered and the legal case was terrible and they couldn't get the person who did it in jail because of the crooked judge so that is why CT was like that during those seasons
Turbo actually hurt security that was holding him back from attacking Jordan. They edited that out but yes that was a real tussle between Turbo and security.
It wasn't even that but it added to his threats.. He kept claiming that he will kill kill kill. I think production saw this is a foreigner with his code/morals. MTV has enough male favorites to call up.. I think they will go out and try to find the next Turbo through time. Fessy alone is enough to make production cream their pants. Emmanuel seems like he will slide into that badass "foreigner" edit.
@@americangangsterlock1550 …..welp, turbo’s back now. was excited about his return, but his ego is absolutely intolerable, same with his anger issues. laurel forgot to top off his drink with champagne, so he yelled at her in front of everyone and called her names. probably would’ve been best just to leave him out from now on imo. you can be a good player AND good entertainment without being an a-hole.
They made a bigger deal out of Dee's Twitter post than it was. Many more people (Camilla) have said racist things 100 times worse. I wouldn't have even called it racist, it was her just continuing to post on a day "more black voices needed to be heard". She then said she supported BLM. How is that racist? It was an overreaction by MTV.
Y’all should have gone in harder on Kenny and Evan. Being accused of violating Tonya on the challenge is really serious. but I think the show wanted to downplay it because it happened under their watch. I urge any who don’t know about the accusations to do your research
add the fact they aren't allowed to even talk about the matter when their names and reputation are in question is almost proof that they did violate Tonya in some way. Shame on them and MTV for allowing this to happen. And shame on MTV for banning Tonya and not giving her a platform to speak against this type of behavior.
also it was filmed bc they are filmed 24/7 so MTV knows exactly what happened but destroyed footage & told everyone to basically shut their mouths about it. sad situation, Tanya didnt deserve that smh
Mandy** was the top that he took down.. I think you're getting confused with Sarah hooking up with Vinny.. Ps it wasn't so much that people didn't care for him. By then you had the JEK era, Wes + old school names like Derrek, Landon and Brad where still regular's. That was literally the worst time due to the quality challenger's.. Real World was pumping out cast and Fresh Meat II was just around the corner...
@@ville666sora Dee is someone who you associate more with other people, like Ninja or Wes, than any merit on her own right, expect for the controversy she caused
@@LWCPodcast Dee’s ban for racial comments is different from other incidents, including those that were worse (like Camilla). First, the comments she made were off-show, and from what racial incidents with Big Brother indicate, they can’t kick someone off for something like that. As they (ironically) have Amanda from BBUS15 chime on on their show, being accused of racism is a serious ordeal, with implication to the person both on and off the show. That also likely applies to the show or network, like risk getting sued for misrepresenting someone in that light. That said, they can sever ties with that person off show or camera, whether temporary or permanently. Also, racial incidents that have happened and made it to air on the Challenge have, unlike the houseguests on Big Brother, had some intervention, whether some forgiveness/tolerance (Leroy toward Camilla), resolution, or confrontation (like any incident (Robin, Kellyanne, Trishelle) that has been directed toward Anessa), from the cast mates themselves, which has resulted in showing it as “drama” and typically production doesn’t have to intervene as much with that because the cast, whether one individual or collectively, will say something that they are okay with that (towards each other)
i always say CT had two accidents that were fucked up, and involved punching someone, like if he had punched davis now?? in the age where we take things that happen to the LGBTQ community much more serious i think he would have been done
As someone that has just plunged myself into the challenge the last 2 yrs… I’m over here like OMG!!!😲😲😲I didn’t know about all these physical fights!! The level of intensity is crazy!!
Something weird I noticed watching Camilla's seasons, as the show went on, her accent kept getting heavier lol. It's like when Aneesa pointed out how Cara's boston accent suddenly got thicker when Jamie was there and it came off sounding fake and hella emphasized lol Aneesa's Cara impression and saying how it made her feel uncomfortable all over her body killed me though *_Oh, COZ-in. OH, COZ-IN.. You got this COZ. COME ON, COZ_*
Aneesa has no room to talk lol. Everyone who forgot or never saw a episode of All Stars 1.. Aneesa finally gave us her real voice.. Clearly production wanted her to sound more stereotypical of a African American standpoint. Besides that everyone claims she's pretty fake person..
I know probably for legal reasons y'all have to watch what you say but a sexual assault allegation is not a mistake. What they "allegedly" did was absolutely awful and I hope they never compete again.
Yeah I dont think they are taking this lightly at all. I believe its just labeling it as what it was, since there is no way we will ever know the full truth sadly.
Dee made a lot of inappropriate additional comments and responses that showed how racist and performative she is. Off camera she also told Big T that she was more black than her because she knew a certain rap song.
"One night of bad decisions"? I'm sorry but I have to disagree with this statement. If they thought it was okay to do that shit to Tonya, they thought that was FUNNY.. they're scumbags deep in their souls. And like the fact that they would do all that to someone in a house full of people and cameras.. i feel pretty confident they've done similar (or worse) things outside of the show.
I believed he was banned because he was saying he was going to kill cast members. Of course that was when security was trying to hold him back. He might be allowed back, its really up to turbo.
Turbo injured several members of security and has said some pretty crazy stuff on social media. CT has grown up and shown he has changed. Its in Turbos own hands to show that he is ok to come. Others have done it.
When you look at it without all the facts it does seem messed up but Turbo hurt several people and made very concerning comments while CT seems to have gotten himself together completely. He wasn't fully banned so if he's really changed his ways then it's up to him
@@tylerlouder7652 and Arthur is still correct. The loss of Kenny and Evan was way bigger than Camila. Evan and Kenny are some of the greatest contestants in the history of the show
@@mrplumbus9006 they actually did complete on the first Rivals, where Evan, with Nehemiah, got eliminated by CT and Adam, and Kenny, due to Wes gassing out, lost to Johnny, paired with Tyler. That said, I am not as harsh on Wes since he (Wes) was a noted reason they even got to the final, like their elimination round.
That would be an awesome show! The fear of being banned has made the cast boring. I miss savage CT. I would like to see him get heated more not fight but production holding him back. That is the CT most people want to see. The Adam fight is what made CT so popular.
This "physical respect era" is a big reason why the show isn't as good as it used to be. The show used to have a level of reality to it where anything could happen, now if someone is even touches another person they are sent home. Fights and massive arguments were a big part of this show that everyone wants to see. That combined with the competition of the challenges is what made it TV gold. Now it's all boring, scripted BS.
The fact that the entire group of MTV security couldn’t contain Turbo is terrifying lol 😂 but funny too ! Dude was a serious monster. Jordan definitely was scary af of him and gas lit him to get this reaction. Turbo would have dominated the Challenge for a while had he stayed. I would love to see him on there again but not if security cant even keep people safe from him
She gassed out cause she was a smoker😂I’m pretty sure that tj said something that if she didn’t smoke a pack a day she would have done great which I do agree with
I agree with the all these bans minus Turbo, Dee and Georgia. (Side note: I am a black man.) 1) Idk if Turbo is actually banned or just doesn’t want to come back. Either way idt that one incident warranted a ban. 2) While 100% racially insensitive, I don’t believe Dee is racist and what others have done on the actual have been way worse; however they were allowed to stay. 3) y’all gotta realize Georgia was a teenager from another country when she did this. So her claim of not knowing is most likely true. And even if it wasn’t, while being on the show has she done or said anything racist on or off camera?? My point being ppl can grow, develop and change. They shouldn’t be condemned for one bad decision they made. Just my 2 cents.
I dont think the georgia thing is that bad personally (im also black). The dee thing was pretty yikes though. While i dont hate her, i dont see her coming back
Yeah I think there’s a massive difference between being racially insensitive and being genuinely racist. I don’t think Dee is racist, I do believe that she just didn’t realize the seriousness of what she was saying. You can tell when someone is being racist to actually offend people, and Dee really didn’t give off that impression for me. And I gotta be honest with you, the blackface thing has never bothered me. I think people care way too much about that. If you ask me, that’s a pretty lame reason to ban someone from the show
@@SonicGlitchmaster1 blackface is reasonable for like a suspension. It also depends on when you did it. but personally it doesnt bother me that much. The dee thing was more on timing and the fact she told Big T, im more black than you because I know a rap song. So basically she was just buggin
@@nfsking27 Yeah I’d agree with that. A suspension would probably make more sense for something like that. But like I said, you can tell when someone’s really saying racist things and being serious about it. I think Dee was saying a lot of dumb shit, but nothing that really made me go, “Wow, this woman’s a cold hearted racist.” I get why MTV needed to cut ties with her, because it’s a thing that people get all up in arms about, but from my perspective, it was just some dumb stuff that she said and it didn’t really linger in my mind too much. People say dumb shit all the time, so I can’t say I was hugely bothered by it. But that’s just me
@@SonicGlitchmaster1 I know I’m a month behind but from what I remember, Dee was being asked/told by fans on Twitter to “use her platform”. In my opinion, nobody should have to post political/non political statements on social media to be supportive over something. I also hate that people expect celebrities or blue check marks to be the voice of society. Let people be individuals and post what they want, they can still be supportive and not on Twitter. That being said, I think she was trying to say that she thinks Black Lives Matter since she lost her virginity to a black man. She’s also not an American and is from Australia so growing up she probably didn’t think it was as polarizing as it is in America
I never saw the toothbrush assault season but this video made Evan sound much guiltier than Kenny in this situation. Also Kenny has been a part of some aftershow specials which makes it seem like MTV never truly cut ties with him. While Evan was never to be seen again after Rivals (the only season I saw him compete). So could it be that Evan was the real culprit and Kenny sadly backed up his actions?
I definitely don’t think Camila left the biggest hole but I do agree that she’s towards the top when it comes to people who should remain banned. There should be a zero tolerance policy for racial discrimination & any similar behavior. I’m also glad that Kenny & Evan are banned after what they are alleged to have done to Tonya. They made for good TV but there huge bullies to everyone. I just wonder how Johnny managed to escape unscathed.
Ik this is late as a mf However I dont agree with being banned over allegations lmao Unless both sides are banned in general and they dont ever bring Tonya back However It was bad So I do agree both sides of this need to handle this legally And Jonny wasnt a part of the whole situation He was in the house but not part of the situation And for Camilla I agree she should stay banned However for differing reasons Idc about the comments themselves But the violence that she likes to cause while intoxicated Like say a word Coolio Punch someone and its an issue
@@fate8718 I can agree with the point that both sides remain banned until the legal dispute is settled however saying words are ok when Camilla made racist & hateful comments is crazy. She should’ve been banned earlier than she was for both her actions & her words. In no world should racial prejudice be tolerated no matter the circumstances.
@JFantauzzi7 There is a difference between actual prejudice and being raised in a country that celebrated the Confederates until 2 years ago I get its wild but With all of it said and done Its just words People have said a lot worse on the challenge anyways
@@fate8718 “just words” can do a lot more damage than you might think. In any case I don’t think one’s upbringing is a valid excuse. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. While we can understand more easily why someone does something because of certain circumstances it doesn’t excuse it. Let’s just agree to disagree though as it seems we just share two different perspectives on the matter.
I think Kenny and Evan being banned was the biggest hole in my opinion. I do think the allegations against them weren't false considering which challenger was the one to call it out but we will never know the truth of that day.
Camilla belongs in a home fir the criminally insane not on a casting list. My boy Leroy didnt deserve that mess. Its crazy hes gone and she might be back.
@@mylostwigproductions7664 What works against Turbo, regardless of Jordan’s involvement, is that this wasn’t the first time Turbo had an outburst. Even if you view this Jordan provoking this, Turbo’s inability to calm down, even when people are holding him back, is more of the issue than the incident itself.
Camila top 3 all time female?? Ehh idk about that one. I’d also put Kenny at one too. It seemed like the challenge as a whole completely changed when keeny and Evan left Evelyn was right behind them too, it felt like the end of an era almost
I feel like people don’t remember that it wasn’t just what Camilla said to Leroy, she also hit him with the pillow and went to grab dumbbells to throw as well but she was too drunk to carry them. She had no hesitation to try to physically attack him as well.
I mean it’s interesting to see why they got banned but to be honest every single one of them is replaceable. How difficult could it possibly be to find a young adult who likes to drink and fight. All these people are a dime a dozen.
Yes a one-time CT was a nightmare but I think the am actually mellowed him out before he even got married and had a child I'm just glad to see that he grew up he's actually a really cool competitor
*Why was CT allowed to return??? Can someone please explain that to me because I’m confused simply because none of the others received the same opportunity*
With how she got kicked out and other incidents contributing to that, that is very unlikely, since she has a track record, even if she doesn’t get booted, of taking things too far once she get heated in any way.
@@marklisowski6549 but she was still asked back for the season after Exes 2, so clearly the must’ve not cared that much about it. She was a great competitor who also brought lots of drama, something this show is missing entirely
camila should’ve been banned, with her drunk outbursts and also her racist remarks and comments towards leroy. i’m glad she’s off the challenge but this should’ve happened a long time ago.
and to add, mtv and production really needs to research on the people they pick. especially for the safety of their poc and black competitors. i’m glad the seasons that are progressing and developing expanding their diversity more.
As of now ... Jordan and Nia are back but on All-Stars ... CT is back on the main show and Turbo is on Season 38 ... Tonya is not interested in coming back ... Bear, Camila, Evan, and Kenny are done ... Shane wants to come back but will only get back on if he apologizes which he won't ... Mattie could come back but when asked she states money is not good enough and considering she has become a social media influencer she may not return ... Georgia and Dee would probably have to make amends but Georgia is more likely to than Dee ... Georgia was also one of the OF victims of Bear and there is a lawsuit about it
To think Jordan argued with Turbo because he didn't believe he could beat Turbo is ridiculous. For 1. Ashley and Cara started that fight. 2. Jordan is the same guy that called out Bananas
Well Jordan was talking shit about turbo that day and was talking shit before that fight so that fight was bound to happen Ashley just made it happen faster by telling turbo
Exactly. Ashley and Cara got their own teammate kicked off by trying to start drama between him and Jordan. "Cara's cult" made stupid decision after stupid decision all season long. If Turbo had still been on their team in the final, they could have won.
That part during the argument where Tori was speaking in a mild tone and Cara went from inside voice to yelling for attention talmbout, "THEN SNAP, TORI" would've been where I got blacklisted for throwing her ass OUTSIDE.
@@brandonmwangovya3950 She didn't get quiet though. The camera pans to other people's reactions and then back to her where she's continuing to speak in the same tone she had to begin with. If Cara's cult wasn't nearby, she would've never tried that shit with Tori. Cara's scary af. Confrontational references include: final reckoning reunion where she talked shit on Faith and Angela being "thirsty thots" and when confronted, she kept quiet and had Marie defend her. Then Dirty 30 reunion, she tried and failed to get away talking even more slick shit about Kailah not looking her in the eyes during private confrontations and ironically got embarrassed and stared at the ground after Kailah retaliated and Cara tried playing it off with the, *_"yeah.. yeah.. whatever"_* line after the crowd started cheering for K. There's also examples with Nany, Jen, etc. in earlier seasons
You forgot to mention that #10 Tonya is now a regular producer on the show. You can even see her in some of the background shots. Like this one trying to help a concuss Jay in elimination: th-cam.com/video/rtdxP5tO7WM/w-d-xo.html
My favorite competitor is CT.... I've watched him grow up. That's all he needed. To grow up. Once he became a dad, I think it changed him in a spectacular way!! IMHO Camilla has a drinking problem for sure!! Anyone whose personality changes so drastically after partaking in alcohol has a drinking problem called alcoholism.. I learned that in AA Family Classes I took because it runs in my family!!
I guess we can add Ashley and Fessy to the list? Since Ashley got into a heated fight behind the scenes, and Fessy slapped Josh in a heated pizza fight this past season.
Camilla should have been banned long before she finally was. I still couldn’t believe she was able to talk to Leroy the way she did and was still able to play smh
Leroy being ok enough to allow her to stay allowed her to finish the season. If she ever gets insuranceor what ever is holding her back she will return.
@@LWCPodcast no she will not if they let her back on so many people are gonna call out mtv for having a racist prick back on the show
They don’t care when racist shit is said or done until they face backlash. They don’t care. Lol. Just like they are ok with bullying. Abusing women and also homophobia
The only reason why she was able to finish is exactly what LWC said. Leroy brushed it off. He wasnt happy but he didnt make a huge deal about it. had he treated it like the Dee situation she would have been gone.
So should Evan and Kenny. The toothbrush incident happened during Ruins and they weren't banned until after Rivals.
I was so mad after Camilla won dirty 30. The way she talked to Leroy she should’ve been sent home the second she wasn’t safe
And also threw herself at a man with a gf and kids. Not saying he's not mostly responsible, but she has no morals it's gross
STAY MAD LOSERS!!
It’s all about the ratings for MTV and they know all too well how the Jerry Springer effect works and learned that if you lubricate volatile situation will lead to Springer going into full effect!!!! MYV orchestrated and cause all of this he terrible people to become popular and they know Americans regardless of what they say will always watch the car or train wreck happen rather than turn the channel!!! So everyone commenting her helped the people stay on the show by watching the show in a he hopes of seeing something happen!!! So no real reason to complain about something that they all helped to cause in the end!!!!!!
Camilla should never be allowed back especially if dee is banned for what she said. All of the cast mates have said her rant towards Leroy was way worse than mtv showed. There would be way too much backlash to bring her back
Leroy was a legend for not putting hands on her, I don't advocate violence but what she did was behond the limits and I don't know if I would have restrained as hard as Lee did.
Another thing I noticed, one of the early seasons, Jonny Bananas makes some pretty bad homophobic comments about Tyler in front of everyone and it seemed really inappropriate. Nobody said anything but Tyler said in the interview thing after the scene that it was hurtful.
It was worse and it’s on YT
Plus Camilla assaulted staff. You don’t do that.
@@JJ_SDWRboo fuckin hoo, what happened to “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me”
Man am I the only one missing Turbo!!? He instantly became one of my favorite competitors after his first season and have been missing him ever since. He was funny and a great competitor. They need to bring him back ASAP!
The incident with Jordan wasn’t the first time something like that happens (although not as bad, I believe there was an outburst in his prior season). He would be someone that would have show how he is managing his temper (like proving he went to anger management or something), which they would have him do a mercenary trial run, like they did with CT.
"Nobody like amanda, but I like Amanda"
Turbo was a trained adda in best competitor ever
@@marklisowski6549 oh no I completely understand it want his first outburst. But come on now! Ct has punched people in the show..look at how many outburst Camila had before finally getting banned. And not to mention all the other countless times people went over board and didn't get kicked out. I think it's just the simple fact that people were actually scared of Turbo since he would most likely actually destroy anyone in the challenge lol I'm sure Jordan or Tory probably told production they were scared for their life
@@miguelp619 in light of CT’s altercation with Adam (possibly even Davis as well if people were more concerned of a pattern than one incident), cast mates made it clear they were not okay if he was on for the following season afterwards, and even CT stated the needed to step away and re-evaluate himself was in light of how his brother’s death affected him. Camilla should have been banned awhile ago, but got spared be the good graces of other people, whether other cast mates (like Leroy and maybe even Tony sobering up after their altercation got them kicked out) and maybe production (like the whole Challenge vs MTV situation that other fans/commentators have mentioned that benefits Ashley getting re-casted).
I mentioned in another reply that the issue with Turbo has less to do with other cast mates (regardless of who provoked, like Jordan, or even instigated, like Cara Maria, that situation) and more his inability to diffuse himself when security and production were trying to restrain him after the altercation. Someone mentioned in a different comment/reply that he actually hit someone on the security/production end while they were separating him and Jordan. In Turbo’s case, there was more than the altercation itself over why he hasn’t return (at least yet).
You left out one very important detail about CT's temporary ban: a few cast members refused to film if he would have been casted. Which is exactly what will happen if they ever bring Camila back.
Why
@@brrrrrrrrino Watch the goddamn clip.
Not anymore. He’s a grown adult now & not traumatized by his brothers murder. That’s what led to the Adam bestdown.
I'm surprised they brought him back. Punching Adam was not the first time CT got physical with someone. CT is a big guy & if anyone got hurt after that incident, MTV would've been sued into non-existence knowing he was a liability.
@@gertibellif CT's actions were in todays cancel culture he wouldn't be on still. He's lucky in that he turned around before the network got more worried about liability.
Laurel losing that climbing challenge was hilarious after showboating so much 😂😂😂
One of my favorite reverse uno on a cocky player.
I think Dee was the first person they publicly banned and actually edited out
Nope... They have edited stuff out but not in the same light as to cancel a cast member. It was always to save face and keep up the good guy persona aka so people like Camilla can still come back.. Her fight with Leroy only showed 30% out of 100% (coming from numerous people who where on that season). There was so much more they could have shown involving Camilla's melt downs but they watered it down when really she was dropping the N word to Lee and other racist remarks. The people that run this show have saved CT's behind from major ridicule from the fans in the past. He's in the clear now since he's older and more chill. If you noticed though, CT is one of those names as of late that is getting called out for getting good guy edits.. So basically they been editing some major cliff notes that would have cancelled man popular names. It's nothing new...
You also had Evan and Kenny that were openly kicked off the show.. After the Tonya + tooth brush incident and if you re-watch that season ( one of the two seasons on Netflix) they edit out some fishy stuff involving that night..
Lol don't kid yourself.
Which season was she edited out of?
cancel culture is a joke
@@americangangsterlock1550 yep
Like Eddy from Are you the One being edited out of Vendettas. Never even got to debut 😂😂
Damn what she do😂😂😂
Camila is the only cast member who got an insurance ban. The actual insurance who covers liabilities for the show said that they would not insure the show if she was ever on the premises ever again. Forever.
What does that mean?
@@Yvesangelic14according to Google, insurance liability “provides protection against claims resulting from injuries and damage to people and/or property”, so what the original comment or is saying is that the people that provide that protection have said that if Camille were to join a future season, they will no longer provided liability insurance. Basically is Camille were to return, The Challenge would have less protection in court
@@Yvesangelic14 the company that insures the contestants wont insure her
Lmaoooo camila just walking to the pool cracks me up every time 😂😂😂
"With MTV now pretending that they care about the character of their cast, a return from Bear is unlikely.." 😂
I watched Bear's season of Big Brother UK. He was an absolute terror but people in the UK vote who goes home, so they kept him there to torture & fight with the cast. He was good TV if you like insane villains.
mattie would’ve been a beast!! i’m upset that we didn’t really get to see her abilities and what she has to offer but even in the short amount of time she had she still made an impact
"One night of potential bad ideas" the fact that it happened in one night does not make it any less shitty. Thats like when that swimmer fondled a drunk girl behind a dumpster and his dad said 20 mins of action shouldnt ruin his life. No bro, you don't get that choice anymore. You deal with the consequences of your actions
oh they agree, its just stating what it was.
It was Wes’ toothbrush
@@JuanRodriguez-tf7fh what was the toothbrush scandal?
What was the toothbrush scandal?
It was said that they rated Tonya with a toothbrush
Bear seemed like a flat out bad person to begin with. I was not surprised to see the scandal of him releasing those videos.
right?!?
Jemmye confirmed that Camila is banned from any MTV production. They would never bring her back cause it would cause too much of an uproar (justified) from fans and press
They also have to insure each cast member and she is too much of a liability. The golf cart incident is enough, but the racist remarks and constant meltdowns/fights, I don’t want to see her win any more money.
but not because they actually care about the racist shit they allowed her to continue on with her season for lol
good we dont want her back either
@@fatwp6345 riiight 🙄
Can I just say though, War of Worlds I and II were probably the best seasons in recent years. Problematic people aside; all in all both were great seasons. The drama was there and each season had some of the best competitiors I've seen in years. Such a shame they've banned so many of them.
You're 100% right.
Such a shame they couldn’t behave like decent adults. Racially insensitive remarks and outright racist quips should not be tolerated at the expense of contestants of color. No discrimination should be tolerated. Live with the consequences.
Let's also not forget that Theo Campbell is also kinda on the banned list. Not for anything that he did but his eye getting split in a freak accident also means he won't come back ever.
My thoughts exactly
Dee bear turbo georgia. Smh. Solid competitors
Camilla has been saying racists things for years. On Battle of the seasons and Cutthroat with Brandon. Saying horrible things to Big Easy. Even when she talked Emily into putting chocolate pudding on her face to make fun of Ty on Battle of the Exs. Leroy was Not the first time. The world is "WOKE" now. She's been that way.
Good....Team Camila!
😂😂😂 exactly she ain't switch up that's been her
Cry cry cry
I will never understand why Evan was banned (rightfully) but Johnny not only wasn’t banned but brought basically seemingly every season
Evan literally commited a sexual assault and Johnny didn't. Plain and simple. Johnny was an asshole but I cant ever see him raping an unconscious woman with a toothbrush like Evan did.......
I guess because he wasn't involved in the toothbrush incident but Evan and Kenny were
Folks are saying well because Leroy “brushed it off” from what happened between him & Camila… why does that matter??? MTV should have still stepped in & said nah this isn’t cool, she still needs to go
because Camila isn't racist and only cancelculture addicts like yourself get off on banning someone.
@@-007-2 LOLOL 💀💀
Exactly
I think if you’re gonna talk about it as “the toothbrush incident” you should just be clear what we are talking about…tonya said that evan and kenny sexually assaulted her with a toothbrush while she was passed out
Yup allegedly. I honestly believe Tonya is batshit crazy and it makes her very less credible. But I heard somewhere that Wes said it was true and that production knew because it was his toothbrush and production got him a knew one. But there is no video evidence of this which is surprising because they are always rolling so it might be made up. I guess we will never know
Thank you!! I feel like this was downplayed in the video as well. I’m sure the show does not want to admit how they dropped the ball big time in keeping a member of the cast safe.
@@Vincent12 and I would think it is was real and there was convictions (ie meaning that both men labeled sexual assault) how can Kenny be a personal trainer? I'd think he'd not be able to have that kind of job if a sexual predator...
@@nillaskat1 exactly man.
Thank you. I was so confused what the hell he was talking about. He added Evan and Kenny to the list then never explained why they were banned. Really weird of him to do.
turbo shouldn’t deserved to be “ban” either. language barriers is a huge thing also in the challenge, jordan was a dick for even trying to set him off.
You’re right, They should have someone on the crew who speaks Turkish and can properly deescalate. People get pissed off on the show and can be told to chill out in a way they understand he should have that too
I didn’t even know Turbo was banned. I thought he’s choosing not to return.
I’m not sure why people keep saying he’s banned, he’s NOT
@@brialove2311 right I heard he's just gone on to do movies that's why we haven't seen him
@@brialove2311 He's not outright banned but the insurance liability associated with him is too much for MTV
Sadly his recent meltdown has scared production. When a grown man keeps claiming that he will kill ___ than yeah we have a future insurance problem lol. This isn't some American in his early 20s looking for camera shine. The show picked up on it, he has his fucked up "code" that he likes to live by. They have stopped calling more known names for silly reasons. I really don't see him coming back sadly. We have a better shot at seeing Wes comeback to the Challenge by 2025 compared to Turbo imo.
Turbo isn't banned. MTV could also pay the high insurance since he brings in views. However he called out MTV for racism and that's probably why he won't be back.
And when CT was banned, his brother had just been murdered, so he needed that time off to heal
The reason CT was unstable was because his brother was murdered and the legal case was terrible and they couldn't get the person who did it in jail because of the crooked judge so that is why CT was like that during those seasons
CT was an aggressive dick before his brother died, but he really matured and became more likable after he did some soul-searching before Rivals.
What about all the other times?
No he was just a nasty person….losing someone isn’t an excuse for being disgusting. Did he lose a loved one on most of his earlier season??
stop excusing bad behavior just because you’re a fan. I love who CT is now, but let’s not act like he’s always been this way.
Dude no. I love CT but he was just unstable in general when he was younger.
Turbo actually hurt security that was holding him back from attacking Jordan. They edited that out but yes that was a real tussle between Turbo and security.
It wasn't even that but it added to his threats.. He kept claiming that he will kill kill kill. I think production saw this is a foreigner with his code/morals. MTV has enough male favorites to call up.. I think they will go out and try to find the next Turbo through time. Fessy alone is enough to make production cream their pants. Emmanuel seems like he will slide into that badass "foreigner" edit.
@@americangangsterlock1550 Fessy sucks and is overrated, especially in his own head.
@@americangangsterlock1550 …..welp, turbo’s back now. was excited about his return, but his ego is absolutely intolerable, same with his anger issues. laurel forgot to top off his drink with champagne, so he yelled at her in front of everyone and called her names. probably would’ve been best just to leave him out from now on imo. you can be a good player AND good entertainment without being an a-hole.
Camilla should never be allowed back. Also her money from dirty 30 should have went to Leroy for handling that situation with Class and maturity.
Bring em all back and call the season Banned vs Fanned
They made a bigger deal out of Dee's Twitter post than it was. Many more people (Camilla) have said racist things 100 times worse. I wouldn't have even called it racist, it was her just continuing to post on a day "more black voices needed to be heard". She then said she supported BLM. How is that racist? It was an overreaction by MTV.
6:06 “now pretending they care” I freakin DIED 😂
Glad you caught that 👀👀👀
Y’all should have gone in harder on Kenny and Evan. Being accused of violating Tonya on the challenge is really serious. but I think the show wanted to downplay it because it happened under their watch. I urge any who don’t know about the accusations to do your research
add the fact they aren't allowed to even talk about the matter when their names and reputation are in question is almost proof that they did violate Tonya in some way. Shame on them and MTV for allowing this to happen. And shame on MTV for banning Tonya and not giving her a platform to speak against this type of behavior.
also it was filmed bc they are filmed 24/7 so MTV knows exactly what happened but destroyed footage & told everyone to basically shut their mouths about it. sad situation, Tanya didnt deserve that smh
@Mr. Isaiah 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
@Mr. Isaiah she got paid to be a cast member on a competitive reality show. Not to be raped.
@Mr. Isaiah Dont have children
Y’all not gonna mention when Vinny pulled Mandy shirt down at the club?
It was a big deal when it happened but no one really cared when Vinny never got asked back lol
Mandy** was the top that he took down.. I think you're getting confused with Sarah hooking up with Vinny.. Ps it wasn't so much that people didn't care for him. By then you had the JEK era, Wes + old school names like Derrek, Landon and Brad where still regular's. That was literally the worst time due to the quality challenger's.. Real World was pumping out cast and Fresh Meat II was just around the corner...
I know I wasn’t the only one who was happy Dee got banned lol s
I think a few season ban is due but if she can show growth then she can return.
I don't think she deserved to be banned, but I don't miss her either lol.
@@ville666sora same
@@ville666sora Dee is someone who you associate more with other people, like Ninja or Wes, than any merit on her own right, expect for the controversy she caused
@@LWCPodcast Dee’s ban for racial comments is different from other incidents, including those that were worse (like Camilla). First, the comments she made were off-show, and from what racial incidents with Big Brother indicate, they can’t kick someone off for something like that. As they (ironically) have Amanda from BBUS15 chime on on their show, being accused of racism is a serious ordeal, with implication to the person both on and off the show. That also likely applies to the show or network, like risk getting sued for misrepresenting someone in that light. That said, they can sever ties with that person off show or camera, whether temporary or permanently.
Also, racial incidents that have happened and made it to air on the Challenge have, unlike the houseguests on Big Brother, had some intervention, whether some forgiveness/tolerance (Leroy toward Camilla), resolution, or confrontation (like any incident (Robin, Kellyanne, Trishelle) that has been directed toward Anessa), from the cast mates themselves, which has resulted in showing it as “drama” and typically production doesn’t have to intervene as much with that because the cast, whether one individual or collectively, will say something that they are okay with that (towards each other)
The production obviously have favorites. How is Dee and turbo banned when Camila and CT has done way worse.
Camila is banned ? Lmao dee is a racist and turbo threatened to kill someone . So yeah it makes sense
i always say CT had two accidents that were fucked up, and involved punching someone, like if he had punched davis now?? in the age where we take things that happen to the LGBTQ community much more serious i think he would have been done
Camilla wasn’t banned for racist remarks though. She appeared on. A season after
chill on ct but my nigga turbo was to goated
What about when Johnny, and Jenna were calling Cheyenne ‘Chantal’ that was extremely underhandedly racist but nothing happened to them
As someone that has just plunged myself into the challenge the last 2 yrs… I’m over here like OMG!!!😲😲😲I didn’t know about all these physical fights!! The level of intensity is crazy!!
Something weird I noticed watching Camilla's seasons, as the show went on, her accent kept getting heavier lol. It's like when Aneesa pointed out how Cara's boston accent suddenly got thicker when Jamie was there and it came off sounding fake and hella emphasized lol
Aneesa's Cara impression and saying how it made her feel uncomfortable all over her body killed me though
*_Oh, COZ-in. OH, COZ-IN.. You got this COZ. COME ON, COZ_*
When Amanda told camilla that she didn't have an accent, she had a speech impediment....lol classic
Amanda: “BITCH YOU’RE FROM NEBRASKAAA”
Aneesa has no room to talk lol. Everyone who forgot or never saw a episode of All Stars 1.. Aneesa finally gave us her real voice.. Clearly production wanted her to sound more stereotypical of a African American standpoint. Besides that everyone claims she's pretty fake person..
I HEARD this comment 😭😹😹😹
I would love if MTV would be more strict on blatant racism. I think that’s not too much to ask.
I know probably for legal reasons y'all have to watch what you say but a sexual assault allegation is not a mistake. What they "allegedly" did was absolutely awful and I hope they never compete again.
Yeah I dont think they are taking this lightly at all. I believe its just labeling it as what it was, since there is no way we will ever know the full truth sadly.
Dee made a lot of inappropriate additional comments and responses that showed how racist and performative she is. Off camera she also told Big T that she was more black than her because she knew a certain rap song.
Wowww, wtf. I always knew something was off with Dee
Wooooooow!
@Mr. Isaiah Right, who cares about disrespecting black competitors 🙄
@@PaniniWasteland Don't mind that. Their comment only proves the type of character they are...
yea Dee is for Disgusting 🤢👎🏾
"One night of bad decisions"? I'm sorry but I have to disagree with this statement. If they thought it was okay to do that shit to Tonya, they thought that was FUNNY.. they're scumbags deep in their souls. And like the fact that they would do all that to someone in a house full of people and cameras.. i feel pretty confident they've done similar (or worse) things outside of the show.
CT can literally beat the shit out of people can he’s allowed back but Turbo gets banned for life and he didint even hit anybody ?
He actually hurt security when they were holding him back. Also it's not a permanent man most likely
I believed he was banned because he was saying he was going to kill cast members. Of course that was when security was trying to hold him back. He might be allowed back, its really up to turbo.
Turbo injured several members of security and has said some pretty crazy stuff on social media. CT has grown up and shown he has changed. Its in Turbos own hands to show that he is ok to come. Others have done it.
When you look at it without all the facts it does seem messed up but Turbo hurt several people and made very concerning comments while CT seems to have gotten himself together completely. He wasn't fully banned so if he's really changed his ways then it's up to him
I hear ya. CT wanted to smash Adam's head and eat it. He hurt that dude. But he was allowed to return and "grow up" on the show.
I have no idea if what they did is true ( if it is, f**k em ) but Evan and Kenny should be 1 and 2. Easily the biggest losses in Challenge history.
camila is easily #1. This list isn't about how bad the actions were but how big of a hole these castmates left.
@@tylerlouder7652 and Arthur is still correct. The loss of Kenny and Evan was way bigger than Camila. Evan and Kenny are some of the greatest contestants in the history of the show
Kenny and Evan are the true goats of the challenge. Who knows how many wins they’d have if they hadn’t been banned.
I feel like the only reason Kenny and Evan can't 1 & 2 is because Johnny was able to shine and fill that hole of favorite to win every challenge.
@@mrplumbus9006 they actually did complete on the first Rivals, where Evan, with Nehemiah, got eliminated by CT and Adam, and Kenny, due to Wes gassing out, lost to Johnny, paired with Tyler. That said, I am not as harsh on Wes since he (Wes) was a noted reason they even got to the final, like their elimination round.
if i'm a producer of the challenge. i would invite all the bans cast to a special season and make it the craziest season ever
That would be an awesome show! The fear of being banned has made the cast boring. I miss savage CT. I would like to see him get heated more not fight but production holding him back. That is the CT most people want to see. The Adam fight is what made CT so popular.
Battle of the Banned, mtv needs to make it happen
This list was depressing lol. So many legends and likable cast members
This "physical respect era" is a big reason why the show isn't as good as it used to be. The show used to have a level of reality to it where anything could happen, now if someone is even touches another person they are sent home. Fights and massive arguments were a big part of this show that everyone wants to see. That combined with the competition of the challenges is what made it TV gold. Now it's all boring, scripted BS.
The fact that the entire group of MTV security couldn’t contain Turbo is terrifying lol 😂 but funny too ! Dude was a serious monster. Jordan definitely was scary af of him and gas lit him to get this reaction. Turbo would have dominated the Challenge for a while had he stayed. I would love to see him on there again but not if security cant even keep people safe from him
Maddy was big but she gassed out too easy..she could never be laurel..imo
She gassed out cause she was a smoker😂I’m pretty sure that tj said something that if she didn’t smoke a pack a day she would have done great which I do agree with
Nia repeatedly got asked after Exes 2. I don’t think they would cast her in 2021 though, but they tried to get her and her sister for bloodlines
So they ban Turbo because they cannot hold him, what about CT? Nobody can hold him neither 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As mentioned in the video, CT was banned for a couple of seasons. Not all bans are permanent, you might see Turbo in the future!
@@dalilabortolimendes8685 I hope so, he was a breath of fresh air to the show.
CT was banned for years
No doubt no one could control him he was a monster he busted down an entire wall in the house I’ll never forget it lol 😂
I agree with the all these bans minus Turbo, Dee and Georgia. (Side note: I am a black man.) 1) Idk if Turbo is actually banned or just doesn’t want to come back. Either way idt that one incident warranted a ban. 2) While 100% racially insensitive, I don’t believe Dee is racist and what others have done on the actual have been way worse; however they were allowed to stay. 3) y’all gotta realize Georgia was a teenager from another country when she did this. So her claim of not knowing is most likely true. And even if it wasn’t, while being on the show has she done or said anything racist on or off camera?? My point being ppl can grow, develop and change. They shouldn’t be condemned for one bad decision they made. Just my 2 cents.
I dont think the georgia thing is that bad personally (im also black). The dee thing was pretty yikes though. While i dont hate her, i dont see her coming back
Yeah I think there’s a massive difference between being racially insensitive and being genuinely racist. I don’t think Dee is racist, I do believe that she just didn’t realize the seriousness of what she was saying. You can tell when someone is being racist to actually offend people, and Dee really didn’t give off that impression for me. And I gotta be honest with you, the blackface thing has never bothered me. I think people care way too much about that. If you ask me, that’s a pretty lame reason to ban someone from the show
@@SonicGlitchmaster1 blackface is reasonable for like a suspension. It also depends on when you did it. but personally it doesnt bother me that much. The dee thing was more on timing and the fact she told Big T, im more black than you because I know a rap song. So basically she was just buggin
@@nfsking27 Yeah I’d agree with that. A suspension would probably make more sense for something like that. But like I said, you can tell when someone’s really saying racist things and being serious about it. I think Dee was saying a lot of dumb shit, but nothing that really made me go, “Wow, this woman’s a cold hearted racist.” I get why MTV needed to cut ties with her, because it’s a thing that people get all up in arms about, but from my perspective, it was just some dumb stuff that she said and it didn’t really linger in my mind too much. People say dumb shit all the time, so I can’t say I was hugely bothered by it. But that’s just me
@@SonicGlitchmaster1 I know I’m a month behind but from what I remember, Dee was being asked/told by fans on Twitter to “use her platform”. In my opinion, nobody should have to post political/non political statements on social media to be supportive over something. I also hate that people expect celebrities or blue check marks to be the voice of society. Let people be individuals and post what they want, they can still be supportive and not on Twitter. That being said, I think she was trying to say that she thinks Black Lives Matter since she lost her virginity to a black man. She’s also not an American and is from Australia so growing up she probably didn’t think it was as polarizing as it is in America
I never saw the toothbrush assault season but this video made Evan sound much guiltier than Kenny in this situation. Also Kenny has been a part of some aftershow specials which makes it seem like MTV never truly cut ties with him. While Evan was never to be seen again after Rivals (the only season I saw him compete). So could it be that Evan was the real culprit and Kenny sadly backed up his actions?
Nia and Turbo came back!
Turbo had Jordan scared 😂😂 he couldn't handle not being the best. Turbo deserves to be on MTV.
"MTV now pretending to care about the characters that they cast"😊
Bring TURBO BACK !!! I don’t think he’s “banned” because he did a video about returning right after the Jordan situation.
Turbo was just on season 39 I believe
I miss Kenny and Evan so much!
I definitely don’t think Camila left the biggest hole but I do agree that she’s towards the top when it comes to people who should remain banned. There should be a zero tolerance policy for racial discrimination & any similar behavior.
I’m also glad that Kenny & Evan are banned after what they are alleged to have done to Tonya. They made for good TV but there huge bullies to everyone. I just wonder how Johnny managed to escape unscathed.
Y'all soft asf over words 😂😂😂
Ik this is late as a mf
However I dont agree with being banned over allegations lmao
Unless both sides are banned in general and they dont ever bring Tonya back
However
It was bad
So I do agree both sides of this need to handle this legally
And Jonny wasnt a part of the whole situation
He was in the house but not part of the situation
And for Camilla
I agree she should stay banned
However for differing reasons
Idc about the comments themselves
But the violence that she likes to cause while intoxicated
Like say a word
Coolio
Punch someone and its an issue
@@fate8718 I can agree with the point that both sides remain banned until the legal dispute is settled however saying words are ok when Camilla made racist & hateful comments is crazy. She should’ve been banned earlier than she was for both her actions & her words. In no world should racial prejudice be tolerated no matter the circumstances.
@JFantauzzi7 There is a difference between actual prejudice and being raised in a country that celebrated the Confederates until 2 years ago
I get its wild but
With all of it said and done
Its just words
People have said a lot worse on the challenge anyways
@@fate8718 “just words” can do a lot more damage than you might think. In any case I don’t think one’s upbringing is a valid excuse. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. While we can understand more easily why someone does something because of certain circumstances it doesn’t excuse it. Let’s just agree to disagree though as it seems we just share two different perspectives on the matter.
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I think Kenny and Evan being banned was the biggest hole in my opinion. I do think the allegations against them weren't false considering which challenger was the one to call it out but we will never know the truth of that day.
CT overheard Adam bad mouthing him to Diem while acting innocent. Adam’s behavior is usually passive aggressive regarding CT. He’s no friend
Camilla belongs in a home fir the criminally insane not on a casting list. My boy Leroy didnt deserve that mess. Its crazy hes gone and she might be back.
Kenny and Evan should be 1&2 for what is reported with toothbrush and maybe more
Wow, there are so many i didn't know about!
Honestly Avery was rocking with nia. Avery was throwing them thangs
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Kenny should be #1 cause he was set up as the face of the franchise and he would still be going today and he was really good
Turbo was actually banned for shrieking YOU CANNOT COPY MY WALK
He has been banned because "challenge security " cannot copy his walk too :D
Welp, this just help me keep MY JOB bc I certainly put my foot in my mouth OFTEN. Lesson officially learned!🤣😂
turbo defiantly deserves another chance. what Jordan did wasn't fair at all.
What do you mean what Jordan did?
@@mylostwigproductions7664 What works against Turbo, regardless of Jordan’s involvement, is that this wasn’t the first time Turbo had an outburst. Even if you view this Jordan provoking this, Turbo’s inability to calm down, even when people are holding him back, is more of the issue than the incident itself.
If anything that was a smart move by Jordan 🤷🏾♂️
Jordan didn't really do anything. Cara and Ashley are the ones who started it.
Camila top 3 all time female?? Ehh idk about that one. I’d also put Kenny at one too. It seemed like the challenge as a whole completely changed when keeny and Evan left Evelyn was right behind them too, it felt like the end of an era almost
Evelyn only appeared on a few shows and left on her own accord.
Right. I'm always confused when I see people say she's in the top 3, 5, or 10. She just skates by in the challenges I've seen.
@@slimfine17She also has numerous daily wins and multiple championships
Top 3 for females isnt hard to nab
All you need are a couple chips
I feel like people don’t remember that it wasn’t just what Camilla said to Leroy, she also hit him with the pillow and went to grab dumbbells to throw as well but she was too drunk to carry them. She had no hesitation to try to physically attack him as well.
I mean it’s interesting to see why they got banned but to be honest every single one of them is replaceable. How difficult could it possibly be to find a young adult who likes to drink and fight. All these people are a dime a dozen.
They did bring nia back and turbo came back I think for one season but didn't last long he also seemed a bit off that time
Yes a one-time CT was a nightmare but I think the am actually mellowed him out before he even got married and had a child I'm just glad to see that he grew up he's actually a really cool competitor
Diem S.I.P. 🕊
Is a big part of why he calmed down
If they brought back CT they should bring back Turbo.
*Why was CT allowed to return??? Can someone please explain that to me because I’m confused simply because none of the others received the same opportunity*
Abram, Darrell, Nelson, Cory....should I keep going with people who fought brought back?
@@bigjaysorenson agree so tired of people coming for CT.
Proved he changed lmao
Camila did not leave a gap IMO. Cara brings the same competitive edge without the racism.
Dope video
I love Nia, she was great to watch on Exes 2. She needs to come back
With how she got kicked out and other incidents contributing to that, that is very unlikely, since she has a track record, even if she doesn’t get booted, of taking things too far once she get heated in any way.
@@marklisowski6549 but she was still asked back for the season after Exes 2, so clearly the must’ve not cared that much about it. She was a great competitor who also brought lots of drama, something this show is missing entirely
ugh, completely agree.. the show needs revamping and needs dominant/confrontational personalities like this back in the house
@@fatwp6345 exactly both Nia was.. like her going off on nany, and whooping her ass in an elim and just other elims in general. Love her
"One night of potential bad ideas" really downplays what they were accused of.
Hopefully turbo can have a redemption arc like ct if he decides to return after supposed ban
just has to keep his head level!
Naya was just in challenge US, Challenge all stars and Challenge world championships. How can she be banned ?
camila should’ve been banned, with her drunk outbursts and also her racist remarks and comments towards leroy. i’m glad she’s off the challenge but this should’ve happened a long time ago.
and to add, mtv and production really needs to research on the people they pick. especially for the safety of their poc and black competitors. i’m glad the seasons that are progressing and developing expanding their diversity more.
You guys are wrong you can bring CT back but can't bring Kenny and Evan
It Bear fault war of the worlds one and two is not on Paramount+. Why remove multiple seasons because of one, dude?
nia is on season 40!!!!
As of now ... Jordan and Nia are back but on All-Stars ... CT is back on the main show and Turbo is on Season 38 ... Tonya is not interested in coming back ... Bear, Camila, Evan, and Kenny are done ... Shane wants to come back but will only get back on if he apologizes which he won't ... Mattie could come back but when asked she states money is not good enough and considering she has become a social media influencer she may not return ... Georgia and Dee would probably have to make amends but Georgia is more likely to than Dee ... Georgia was also one of the OF victims of Bear and there is a lawsuit about it
I miss Nia so much!!
Psycho Niya NEVER should have been cast on the Challenge.
I understand them banning people for punching others, but why don't the people that egg on the person to punch someone get kicked out as well
I mean pranks have been around forever and 99% of the time a prank is pulled that person doesnt hit somebody. So the outliers get sent home.
Id love to see Tonya again
Allegations apart, Kenny probably would have been the GOAT
I am soooooo proud of CT, he literally the best
To think Jordan argued with Turbo because he didn't believe he could beat Turbo is ridiculous.
For 1. Ashley and Cara started that fight.
2. Jordan is the same guy that called out Bananas
Well Jordan was talking shit about turbo that day and was talking shit before that fight so that fight was bound to happen Ashley just made it happen faster by telling turbo
Exactly. Ashley and Cara got their own teammate kicked off by trying to start drama between him and Jordan. "Cara's cult" made stupid decision after stupid decision all season long. If Turbo had still been on their team in the final, they could have won.
That part during the argument where Tori was speaking in a mild tone and Cara went from inside voice to yelling for attention talmbout, "THEN SNAP, TORI" would've been where I got blacklisted for throwing her ass OUTSIDE.
@@tieroberson but it’s the fact that tori got quiet after that because she knew Cara wasn’t scared
@@brandonmwangovya3950
She didn't get quiet though. The camera pans to other people's reactions and then back to her where she's continuing to speak in the same tone she had to begin with. If Cara's cult wasn't nearby, she would've never tried that shit with Tori. Cara's scary af.
Confrontational references include: final reckoning reunion where she talked shit on Faith and Angela being "thirsty thots" and when confronted, she kept quiet and had Marie defend her. Then Dirty 30 reunion, she tried and failed to get away talking even more slick shit about Kailah not looking her in the eyes during private confrontations and ironically got embarrassed and stared at the ground after Kailah retaliated and Cara tried playing it off with the,
*_"yeah.. yeah.. whatever"_*
line after the crowd started cheering for K.
There's also examples with Nany, Jen, etc. in earlier seasons
bring landon back
You forgot to mention that #10 Tonya is now a regular producer on the show. You can even see her in some of the background shots. Like this one trying to help a concuss Jay in elimination: th-cam.com/video/rtdxP5tO7WM/w-d-xo.html
That is not tonya you fool
I don't think thats tonya
@@5656moon I do
@@TWoNaGe I don't think she's allowed to have anything to do with mtv plus she lives in washington
Kenny should've been number one in my opinion.🤷🏾
My favorite competitor is CT.... I've watched him grow up. That's all he needed. To grow up. Once he became a dad, I think it changed him in a spectacular way!! IMHO
Camilla has a drinking problem for sure!! Anyone whose personality changes so drastically after partaking in alcohol has a drinking problem called alcoholism.. I learned that in AA Family Classes I took because it runs in my family!!
Bear is part of the Tate brother’s War Room. He met Tristan 25 years ago on Shipwrecked.
I guess we can add Ashley and Fessy to the list? Since Ashley got into a heated fight behind the scenes, and Fessy slapped Josh in a heated pizza fight this past season.