Not to mention that you're at the mercy of any future government. If the majority of car users are in EVs, what's to stop the government putting a tax on electricity to make it twice as expensive. And the real issue here is it won't just affect the cost of your fuel for the car. Suddenly you'll find the cost of electricity for any purpose in the home becomes a crippling liability. Don't forget the government want us to toss out our gas or oil fired heating boilers. Once all of our energy supply has been streamlined to use electricity, the government has full over the plebs. Can't have the riff raff casually exercising freedom.
My Fiat 500e averages 4 miles per KW/h and is only charged at home, with a solar PV system providing the bulk of the electricity for most of the year. It costs a fifth of my previous ICE car to run (a Twingo GT) but there is no way I would have considered a BEV if I didn't have driveway and this is something that the Government needs to address.
And you haven't factored the cost of the solar installation nor the vehicle purchase cost. Nonetheless I applaud you and believe the panels to be your best investment.
I did a year with no home charger and it was fine. Had a free public charger 2 miles away so factored in a weekly jog to drop it off low z then would charge all night Friday, and I'd pick it up Saturday am. Suppose that did require some motivation but was no big deal. In the end though home charging is so cheap - I'll only pay £150 for 9000 miles so it's basically free, given my petrol costs would have been £1250+
@@UnipornFrumm Not a practical option in semi rural parts of Scotland. But I do have a driveway and also a garage that my small electric car fits nicely into. As a compromise to your point, I would like to see more A-segment BEVs (and quadricycles) which would have a far lower carbon footprint than large and powerful electric SUVs that most people seem to opt for.
Good now make a video on COST OF OWNERSHIP... this is what really matters.... I average 39p/mile on a 2011 A3 8P 1.6 BSE petrol engine doing 16500 miles a year @40mpg. This takes into consideration the cost of tax, mot, maintenance, insurance, fuel, emissions zone (ULEZ/CAZ Exempt) and purchase price/depreciation etc... As a person that just wants to get A-B as cheap as possible in a reasonable sized family car (hatchback at the minimum), I'd love to make the switch if it made financial sense.
@@NicolasRaimo Share your secrets.... How about a video breaking down all your personal costs to own and run your EV? Would be an eye opener as there is clearly something we gas guzzlers are all missing
Did you factor in the maintenance? My Chevrolet Volt has been in the shop once in the past five years for a recall to reprogram the charge controller. Oh, and new tires at around 50,000 miles. How many petrol cars can go 5 years without any repairs?
uh.. all of them. if your car, or anything manufactured can last 6 months, then it will surely last 5 years... something like 98% of breakdowns occur in the first 6 months of any appliance, oven, fridge, microwave, TV, computer, car etc..
Wherever this argument comes up Nic nobody ever rakes into account that EV's cost quite a bit more to start off with and that is always countered by the argument that PCP cost are closer than the cost price if bought outright. As luck would have it I charge mostly at home but for a lot of people whoe will have to charge that is not going to be an option, then when you add in the time factor for these people it becomes less attractive IMHO.
Its easy to forget that half the cost of Petrol and Diesel is due to the Excise Duty that the Government adds to cover road maintenance and construction costs. EV owners are currently exempt from these costs. Presumably at some point, the same VED will have to be added to the electricity used for the purpose of charging an EV.
For the same respect electricity price is linked to gas as the government decided this long ago when gas was cheapest energy now it’s the most expensive but still used to set price for the market
@Wooly Chewbakker it changes all the time you can download GRID carbon to see live data but as I write this WIND 38% GAS 35.1% Nukes 12.7% SOLAR 5.4% Currently now its overcast and little wind
As it's not too cold yet I'm still getting between 4.8 and 5.2 mpkwh in my Kia Soul (30 kWh battery model). But I only run about locally, no motorway. I also charge from a home wall box in my drive. Still cheap.
You don’t have to keep buying new batteries. The most impressive example is a Renault ZOE that has exceeded 1 million kms on its original battery, which is still above the state of health percentage that Renault guaranteed them to. Plus they are made of lots of individual cells, and usually if any degradation occurs, it’s only in one or two of the cells, which can be refurbished or replaced for £100 a cell (in the case of the Leaf/ZOE batteries). They have an expected service life of 20-30 years.
Personally I wouldn't buy a new battery. I'd have my existing battery pack refurbished, at a fraction of the cost of replacing it..... Why do so many keep thinking you *have* to buy a new battery?
Hi Nick our leaf (2018) averages 4.3miles/Kw and I pay about 35p/Kw home charging thats just over 8p/mile running in Eco mode However I still bought a second hand Dacia Duster diesel and in Eco mode (yes it has one) I get easily 60mpg with diesel at about £8.00 gal thats 13,3p/mile the difference is the Leaf cost £32,000 and the Duster £8,500 Thats 480,000 mile before the 5 pence difference would be recouped This is my second leaf the earlier model was lighter and did 5 miles to the Kw so thats going backwards I'm a long time EV owner and living in Scotland where there is one integrated network unlike South of the border I am happy enough using an EV If I lived in England or Wales I almost certainly would not have one Thats before the Gorvenment start messing about with my home charger or increasing Vat on home charging Thanks for all the great content over the years John
I mean I don't like the LEAF but you can't compare a DUSTER to a lead come on! That's like me saying wow my Porsche Taycan cost me £100,000 but the tesla Model 3 std range is only 40k.... compare apples to apples... Also duster don't have a 2nd resale market... Leafs so and your still get over 25k for it... Also WHY YOU ON 35p follow advise in video go to evnick.com/energy and get on octopus go for 7.5p and get 2p a mile
@@NicolasRaimo Hi Nick I had a smart meter installed over a year ago it didn't work so Octopus had another one installed They still couldn't see that one at their end Two weeks ago they installed a third smart meter well actually SMS their sub contractor in Scotland did this Bear in mind this has taken a whole year Now they can see it and read it as can we however the In Home Display still shows the wrong tarriff so although the display shows KW used I have to get the calculator out to work out the cost Octopus are very good but Smart meter installs don't always go to plan so if it ever gets to the stage wher I can switch tarrifs I will definitely take your advice although the peak rate might not suit as we are retired and at home often during the day Regards the Dacia Duster it is a well specified Prestige model It's very quiet has all the usual mod cons including a reversing camera etc when it was new it cost £16495 which is about half the cost of a Leaf you should maybe get a test drive and do a review LOL!
@@BSAT10 it's definitely worth getting Go even if you're at home all day - we had it at our last house and I'm at home all day, it still worked out a lot cheaper than the cheapest fix back then (September 21) and we weren't charging the car with it. We do have timers built in to our dishwasher and washing machine though so did try and use them in the 4 hour 5p rate overnight.
@@BSAT10 i wouldn’t own a duster nor would I own an Mg however that’s a better comparison than leaf… the device in your home isn’t the meter long as octopus see the meters in half hour reads that’s all that matters… peak rate is 40p the 7.5p off peak will mean your average rate be under 32p easy unless your only doing 3000 miles see my video called beating price cap 🧢
@@NicolasRaimo Thanks Nick I'll do that I'm waiting till they remote update my IHD or I get my first bill read by them remotely so I'm sure everything is working Regards depreciation the Duster depreciated £7,000 in 6 years the Leaf depreciated £7,000 in 4.5 years so pecentage wise the leaf looks better on paper because of the high initial cost Thanks again for your hard work on the channel John
Use to get 42 miles per gallon out of my diesel Laguna coupe so 50 miles per gallon should be possible for many small cars but not likely for mid range and above over the year
I got 58 mpg urban, 76 mpg long distance in my 1.4HDi 206 for 14 years of ownership. It was regularly serviced with high quality parts / oil, and only ever Shell or Esso fuel (aunt was a petrol station regional manager and they were the only fuels she’d recommend; incidentally I was taught to drive by her younger brother, my dad, who is a tight Yorkshire Chartered Engineer 😂). I currently am still getting over 5 miles / kW out of my 41kWh ZOE (but not when my partner drives it haha).
Dacia Duster I get 60mpg regularly and have had more I used to have Peugeot 406 estate from 2001 and that did around 42mpg I suppose it depends where you drive
I got 60mpg claimed in my old swift, probably more like 50-55mpg. still using Go prices and kona avg 4.5m/kwh vs Swift at 50-60mpg for 9000 miles i still save over £1000 a year ie. pays for the charger in less than a year pays for the car vs the petrol kona in 8
but always will be 17k more expensive....... If you buy a car for 30k and a car for 20k and in 5 years the 30k car is worth 20k then the 20k car is usually 10k... normally the more expensive car loses more money but with EVs being so popular they retain MORE value than ever so for example now a 2 year old kona is the same price it was NEW
@@bordersw1239 am selling 8 year old zoes like hot cakes they cost new at the time 10k there making 6-8k now! EVs are not like petrol cars they still feel like new in 8 years
Yes currently at 32p k/Wh (taxpayer subsidised) it is more expensive than petrol and diesel (double taxed at 100-120% fuel duty + VAT). Only makes sense if you have a solar array or cheap night rate.
I could never justify an electric vehicle based on economics. My 10 year old diesel genuinely does better than 60 miles/gallon. It was bought for £3500, insured and taxed for almost nothing each year with only 35 000 miles on the clock. I don't pay subscription fees for Internet connectivity or refuelling. I don't buy expensive tyres which need to be replaced rapidly. Brake pads normally only need replacing every 115 000 miles the way I drive. The difference in insurance cost wouldn't cover the savings I'd make in energy costs. When EV's get old the batteries need changing. They are only warrantied for 100 000 miles or eight years. We know that LiIon batteries have calendar lives which expire whether babied or not. I have no data for the safety of batteries beyond 70% degradation. No EV is in my price range and certainly won't do 1000000 miles without a battery swap not matter the claims that are made.
Well if you are only doing 3,500 miles per year, then the EV economics will not work for you. But if you have 35k on the clock you are not far from getting a new timing belt, one less expense for us EV owners. As for the battery it nonsense. Our MG ZS EV is 3 years old and now has 53k miles on the clock and the charged range has only dropped 2 miles, so total nonsense about batteries needing replacing that soon. Ok the 2012 first edition Nissan leaf (our previous car) would need replacing after 8 years, but even Nissan leafs had improved by 2014 . I see our car lasting decades, I think the body will rust away (I'm yards from the sea) before the battery looses 20%> As the car is normally used for my partner's 70 mile daily commute, most of the charging is done at home on Economy 7 off peak, currently 21p per kW, dropping to 18.5p in October and we use solar panels in summer. EV saves us around £2000 per year compared with petrol. The MG ZS EV cost us £20k it was our first new car. The petrol version of same car was around £12k, so £8k more for EV, so we will recover the extra cost for the EV in just 4 years. The EV is a far nicer car to drive, great acceleration and no engine noise. As we are in Scotland we got a 100% interest free loan on the car over 7 years at £277 per month from Home Energy Scotland. As demand for EV is so high I can sell the car for the same price as when I purchased 3 years ago and that is with 53k on the clock. We are really happy with purchase and as it is SUV style we can take it down rough tracks as well. Great fun.
You don't need internet access to use an EV well certainly not with the MG ZS EV. You just get an RFID card or use debit/credit car to pay at public charging point.
Hi @Nicolas Raimo, sorry to bother you, but do you know where to find Greg Jackson, Octopus CEO's contact details? We are still waiting for an appointment to switch our useless SMETS1 meters to SMETS2, agreed by Octopus at the beginning of August after 8 months of asking them, and now they've gone quiet. I'm severely ill/disabled and we have an EV which is the only mode of transport I can use, but we can't afford to charge at home in the standard tariff. Or if anyone knows of an energy supplier we can switch to who will swap the bloody things over, so we can use an EV tariff, I'd be very grateful. It's an untenable situation and ridiculous that we're stuck with the very first models of SMETS1 meters that are probably over 10 years old now anyway. Thanks 😊
He’s as simple as greg@octopus.energy I believe or you can tweet him he’s great on twitter…. Am sure smet1 is undergoing a transfer to smet2 currently so it might be they don’t need to change the meter at all
@@NicolasRaimo Thank you ever so much for that! ☺️ We were told by BG (who we were with originally at new house, and whose meters we have) back in Feb that our area/meter types had begun to roll out updates. Trouble is, we have the old Landis GR+ meters that aren’t guaranteed to work after the update, the last update scheduled was Sept 2022 and they still don’t work with Octopus, and since the DCC has removed the update schedule and appears to be winding down the updates according to their published consultation documents, I don’t see them working anytime soon. It would be good if they did! It’s a nightmare that I warned Ofgem would happen when I first heard that they were going to allow energy companies to spec their own smart meters instead of adhering to a universal standard (I have a dual subject degree, one of which is ICT, was an IT Administrator and I am fortunate to understand and able to design both software and hardware). My biggest concern is the chance of electricity blackouts - we were hoping to invest our small savings in a home battery to prevent this very situation of not having heating etc (our only gas heating is boiler, so leccy off = cold house and I need it at a constant steady temp as my body cannot regulate its own temp). Not being able to charge on a TOU tariff is going to seriously affect the affordability of doing this though 😞 God, I hate this Government 🤬
@@NicolasRaimo PS Sorry for the rant, very upset and ill and the moment - but I do appreciate your immediate, helpful response ☺️ I’m going to forward my latest email to that address and see what happens 🤞🏻
@@NicolasRaimo Thanks ever so much for sharing that pertinent email Nic - it got sorted and we now have new Octopus smart meters and Go! 👍 Incidentally, the meter fitter was genuinely surprised I'd been repeatedly told there were no appointments available in our area, as he's been fitting them exclusively in our area since January and said he'd had loads of availability?! Something not quite right there.
Your point about the Government's recent decision to increase VAT from 5% to 20% on public charging is correct. I can see the logic of this in terms of consistency, as the 20% rate is applicable to most end user purchases. But applying 20% VAT to electricity has made taxation of the same commodity inconsistent. Despite the current desire of Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng to lower taxes, I don't think there's any chance the VAT rate on public EV charging will ever return to the original 5%. I think it's more likely that when (fingers tightly crossed) we see an end to the Ukraine war and a return to lower energy prices (or am I just dreaming?) we're more likely to see the VAT rate on domestic electricity increased to 20%. My reasoning is based on the rapidly increasing adoption of EV's and eventual disappearance of ICE vehicles from roads in the UK. The amount of tax revenue that will be lost from fossil fuel duty and road fund licence is going to have to come from somewhere? Oh hang on - there would be a huge amount of 'fossil fuel subsidy' money that would be available to use wouldn't there, without the need for additional taxation?
Comparing the prices of energy is always going to show inconsistencies. Heating oil and diesel are almost the same thing but 'derv' fuel carries a road tax. It would be unfair to tax home electricity with a road tax for the same reason heating oil does not carry a road tax. However the car charger could have it's own meter.
Disel and gas include taxes for infrastructure maintenance. There will be a monthly fee for electric cars. It's just unavoidable. Btw, there is a loss of electricity during EV, which is completely ignored. Here in Connecticut, USA with electricity about $.26 per kW and gasoline $3.5 per gallon - any hybrid car with MPG 38 or better is a win for gasoline.
Great channel Nick. It even makes sense at the performance end of the market. I mothballed a Porsche 997 which does on average 22mpg for a KIA EV6 GT which does 2.7m/kWh. Charging at home at 35p the EV costs around a 1/3 of the Porsche and is faster as well. If you can charge at home EVs are the obvious choice. We’ve just had solar panels fitted (G99😊) for even cheaper charging.
Thanks for comment, if your paying 35p assume your still on gov price cap? Might wanna check out my other videos on some better deals some for EV owners and some for solar and battery owners I’ll be publishing some new videos about it over the next few weeks but most of the info on my website at evnick.com/energy
@@NicolasRaimo Thanks Nick I already watched some of them. We’re with EDF, just waiting for a smart meter to be fitted so we can then switch to Octopus flux which seems the best one for us. Apparently it’s quicker if you get your existing supplier to change the meter and then switch. I plan to charge my EV at home during the day some of the time and export at 25p e when we have excess. It’s a fascinating new experience and it has also made our family more aware of the electricity that we are using which can only be a good thing. Thanks again.
Apparently as most public charge points are run by commercial businesses they pay 20% vat on the electricity, which they pass onto the consumer. Crazy when domestic electricity is charged at 5% vat.
Cry me a river. We pay 53p a litre fuel duty (tax) then pay 20% Vat as well - yes double tax So that's about 40% tax for petrol/diesel. If electricity were taxed equally, and EVs left free to fight for themselves in a free market ie no price protection either, the EV market would die on arrival.
@@bodrulm1 as for free market, what the heck is that, you have all the import duties and tax on vehicle imports or almost anything else imported, the same as overseas consumers pay for duties and tax imposed on them by their governments. Show me a true "free" market, it doesn't exist now. It may have done when we were in the EU zone, it certainly does not out of it.
i diliver fast food i had a 2005 c3 diesel getting 60 mpg getting harmed round the doors i have a note 2010 now getting 52/53 getting harmed round the doors i cood get them Bothe over 70 mpg driving normally on a normal drive not stop start
Here figures with break even point redone with 60mpg and a small size EV similar to Corsa doing 5mpkwh Electric car Effiicency 5 mpkwh Price per kWh £0.640 Cost per mile 0.13
Fuel Vehcile Effiicency 60 mpg Price per litre £1.72 Cost per mile £0.13
@@NicolasRaimo still were do you take an electric car for mot etc if something goes wrong 🤔 lol need a week off work to sort it. And ehen batteries start depleting etc. Add the cost its 10k or so more than a normal car. Is it really worth it .. all so if everyone goes electric the bills will go up of course then were will we be.
Darren watch few more videos on the channel and stick around your see Ill answer these questions for you... Batteries don't just fail just like engines don't just blow up, in fact its FAR FAR more likely to have an engine problem than a battery fail... Even with a battery degrading at current rates that's about 450,000 miles with LOTS of fast charging and current tesla batteries are tested to a MILLION MILES everyone else isn't far behind... Regarding electric am covering that in a series of videos over the next few weeks but in short electric prices will FALL every year from today as MORE wind and solar is added to the gird you can also add battery or solar to your home now and lock your own prices in.
Hi Paul I've done a series of home charger reviews and they are more than just a glorified socket they contain tons of VERY CLEVER safety devices, but also smart tech on top, unit wholesale costs range from £500-£900 depending how smart or pretty it is, Home installs range from £850 to THE MOON depending how complex your install is.
@@wayland7150 cookers are fitted outside connected to DC electrics that store vast amounts of power but also at very high voltages? So no nothing like cookers the safety equipment to ensure safety to user and your very expensive car ain’t cheap
@@NicolasRaimo What the car charger stores vast amounts of power? I thought the car stored the power. Seems like a rip off to me. A scam like Global Warming which is driving this BS in the first place. I'll be pleased when we get to shoot the perpetrators of this crap.
Good video looking at energy as a basis for costs. However true costs of running an electric vehicle/ mile would have to take into consideration higher insurance costs as well as higher depreciation costs. Would a Tesla model S at just over 2 tonnes and model 3 at just under 2 tonnes wear out tyres quicker? I'm told yes but have no evidence for this. Good fun though
As the pound has just gone down the toilet the price of a barrel of oil prices in dollars just about to cause extreme increase in the price of fuel in uk so you can add 15% to the fuel price because of exchange rate only
It's easy Scott, 1kwh is 1000 watts for a hour, (one unit) so say a 1 kw electric fire on for 2 hours will use 2kw not to be confused with the 1 kw, per hour or 1 kwh, if you said its 2kwh that would imply it uses 4 kw in 2 hours, if its on for half heat for a hour you used 500 watts per hour or 500 wh, so to use a full unit of 1 kw a 7 watt light bulb would need to be on for 1000 watts / 7 = 142 hours or 6 weeks to use one unit of 1kw
I really think you should do a proper comparison which include maintenance cost for both vehicles....this should also include replacement batteries for the EV ($20,000) after ten years..
@@jcthe2nd depends on what the issue is with the battery, someone I know with a fault on an old I-Meiv had 1 some faulty cells total cost was £540. You don't replace the entire pack if only part of it needs repair. Next 10 year figure... the pack doesn't just suddenly die it will start degrading, meaning every single year it has a loss of some of its performance and range now NEW the car may off had 250 miles at 100% HEALTH after 10 years it could have lost between 5 to 20% then every year it could lose a little more % however this doesn't mean it doesn't work it just won't travel same distance to some people a 250 mile EV new 20 years old with a 50% loss is still 125 miles that might be MORE than enough for what they want it for and if not a 2nd market for these will show up TRUST ME, EVEN then say you wanted to replace your 20 year old car for a BRAND new pack the old pack still have a value and a battery size and chemistry prices in 20 years means cost for new and selling old will likely be around £8000 but who puts a new engine in a car after 20 years?
It's interesting that Octopus Go charge 7.5p/kwh yet most people's electricity for their home was never that cheap in recent years. 12p and now double that. Obviously for the lucky few who can get that deal it's very good but it's artificial. It does not represent the correct market price. Similar with petrol having a heavy tax on it, what if that same tax was applied to EV 'fuel'?
@@NicolasRaimo thanks EVNick, I have signed up on thier website as not excepting customers 😔 Should have done it sooner before all the issues. 🤞 I will be able to change in the near future.
@@msmith9604 as per my website if you want to move to go or any other EV deal long as you already have a smet2 smart meter or smet1 secure you can move and use my refferal code
@@wayland7150 😂😂😂 yeah, I've seen the awful things, I think my ebike is faster than they are, I wouldn't be seen dead in one tbh, rather walk in the rain than own one of those monstrosities!
I don't know where anybody else buys petrol or diesel but I don't see it available for half price or lower in the small hours or even being given away at times (Octopus Agile). We do not have a drive but we are in the process of arranging to charge once a week on a friend's drive overnight on their overnight reduced tariff. Our weekly mileage allows for this easily. Servicing and maintenance of an EV is significantly lower than any comparable fossil burner and as we intend to keep the vehicle for at least ten years I believe that we will spend an awful lot less money than somebody with a fossil burner does. And, it's quieter when on the move, easier to drive and yes, there are no exhaust emissions. The air in our town will benefit from one less exhaust.
you must include the cost of the car as electric cars are far more expensive than petrol diesel and the depreciation on electric cars repairs etc it will take a lifetime to brake even this is a no brainer but to save the planet yes but ev cars the way to go but MUST be subsidised or the average person will buy a car that suits there wallet
Treat buying an electric car as an investment yes it cost more than a petrol and diesel car but the depreciation on them is FAR less. For example my 2015 Renault Zoe purchased in 2016 had a RRP of £5,000 I sold it in 2021 for £8500 so it increased in value... My wifes Corsa E purchased for £21,000 in 2021 October today had a RRP of £24995 again an increase... This is partly due to cost of living increasing costs but for a like for like clio or corsa petrol they'd of all LOST money not gained
And the oil industry has a tiny effect on the environment, does it? How about the odd huge oil tanker spillage, polluting thousands of square miles of ocean. Here's a suggestion. Shut yourself in your garage with your car engine running, then see how long it is before you bale out, gasping for air. Then repeat the experience with a switched on electric car. Then let us know which one you felt was worse for your health and the environment......
man i know petrol cars that drive more then 50mpg and gasoline is cheaper then diesel,lmao,and gasoline cars are cheaper then diesel cars,double lmao,and meintenance of gasoline cars is cheaper triple lmao,why people like diesel cars so much?
@@JohnSmith-sz4gv no-one who charges at home (vast majority of be drivers) pays £1/kWH for the majority of their charging. Is it possible to pay more to drive your EV than a diesel…sure but not the vast majority of the time
@@awestrope74 what i was trying to point out is if we paid the same price per unit of energy as diesel cost . ( look at the maths ) it would be 17.6 pence per KWH which would include all that duty and tax that is supposed to be included in the price of diesel , get the rip off that is being hidden , and by the way most old Victorian towns don't have off road parking.
clickbait.... depends how you view clickbait and understand it. Firstly this video is about this subject so by no means misleading so if you mean clickbait as in the title was interesting to you and it made you click the video then surely thats the point of a youtube and the title?
@Wooly Chewbakker the entire point of the comment you were replying to, was that EVs are so much more fun to drive. Your comment had nothing to do with that. The comment you were replying to literally was saying that aside from the purpose of the video (fuel cost) EVs are more fun to drive. You are not actually addressing, in any way at all, the point of the comment that you were replying to. And you are still unaware of that. Your comment might belong directly on the video itself, but not on this comment. When you reply to a comment, it makes sense to actually reply to what the comment said/the point it was making. You have not.
@Wooly Chewbakker the entire point of the comment was that EVs are more fun to drive. At least you mentioned that in this particular comment. That is slight progress.
The price difference between a VW UP and an E-UP would get you 100,000 miles of petrol driving before you even broke even!
Not to mention that you're at the mercy of any future government. If the majority of car users are in EVs, what's to stop the government putting a tax on electricity to make it twice as expensive. And the real issue here is it won't just affect the cost of your fuel for the car. Suddenly you'll find the cost of electricity for any purpose in the home becomes a crippling liability. Don't forget the government want us to toss out our gas or oil fired heating boilers. Once all of our energy supply has been streamlined to use electricity, the government has full over the plebs. Can't have the riff raff casually exercising freedom.
3.5 maybe summer time but do same for winter is not that optimistic
My Fiat 500e averages 4 miles per KW/h and is only charged at home, with a solar PV system providing the bulk of the electricity for most of the year. It costs a fifth of my previous ICE car to run (a Twingo GT) but there is no way I would have considered a BEV if I didn't have driveway and this is something that the Government needs to address.
And you haven't factored the cost of the solar installation nor the vehicle purchase cost. Nonetheless I applaud you and believe the panels to be your best investment.
I did a year with no home charger and it was fine. Had a free public charger 2 miles away so factored in a weekly jog to drop it off low z then would charge all night Friday, and I'd pick it up Saturday am.
Suppose that did require some motivation but was no big deal.
In the end though home charging is so cheap - I'll only pay £150 for 9000 miles so it's basically free, given my petrol costs would have been £1250+
if you dont have a driveway how about learn to live wihout a car eh? that is cheaper then an electric car
@@UnipornFrumm Not a practical option in semi rural parts of Scotland. But I do have a driveway and also a garage that my small electric car fits nicely into.
As a compromise to your point, I would like to see more A-segment BEVs (and quadricycles) which would have a far lower carbon footprint than large and powerful electric SUVs that most people seem to opt for.
@@Lewis_Standing you’re the type of problem that causes other owner’s nightmares
Good now make a video on COST OF OWNERSHIP... this is what really matters.... I average 39p/mile on a 2011 A3 8P 1.6 BSE petrol engine doing 16500 miles a year @40mpg. This takes into consideration the cost of tax, mot, maintenance, insurance, fuel, emissions zone (ULEZ/CAZ Exempt) and purchase price/depreciation etc... As a person that just wants to get A-B as cheap as possible in a reasonable sized family car (hatchback at the minimum), I'd love to make the switch if it made financial sense.
My EV cost of ownership is less than that…
@@NicolasRaimo Share your secrets.... How about a video breaking down all your personal costs to own and run your EV? Would be an eye opener as there is clearly something we gas guzzlers are all missing
Did you factor in the maintenance? My Chevrolet Volt has been in the shop once in the past five years for a recall to reprogram the charge controller. Oh, and new tires at around 50,000 miles. How many petrol cars can go 5 years without any repairs?
uh.. all of them. if your car, or anything manufactured can last 6 months, then it will surely last 5 years... something like 98% of breakdowns occur in the first 6 months of any appliance, oven, fridge, microwave, TV, computer, car etc..
Wherever this argument comes up Nic nobody ever rakes into account that EV's cost quite a bit more to start off with and that is always countered by the argument that PCP cost are closer than the cost price if bought outright. As luck would have it I charge mostly at home but for a lot of people whoe will have to charge that is not going to be an option, then when you add in the time factor for these people it becomes less attractive IMHO.
But of course you could always buy a used EV, which would cost less, but still provide the same savings if charged at home on an off-peak tariff.....
Its easy to forget that half the cost of Petrol and Diesel is due to the Excise Duty that the Government adds to cover road maintenance and construction costs. EV owners are currently exempt from these costs. Presumably at some point, the same VED will have to be added to the electricity used for the purpose of charging an EV.
For the same respect electricity price is linked to gas as the government decided this long ago when gas was cheapest energy now it’s the most expensive but still used to set price for the market
@Wooly Chewbakker it changes all the time you can download GRID carbon to see live data but as I write this
WIND 38%
GAS 35.1%
Nukes 12.7%
SOLAR 5.4%
Currently now its overcast and little wind
@Wooly Chewbakker I agree I’ve done videos on it but considering wind 💨 is about 4/5p a kwh commercial it’s easy to add the duty on
@Wooly Chewbakker it will be recovered/replaced by a system of Road Tolls. I thought everyone already knew this....
As it's not too cold yet I'm still getting between 4.8 and 5.2 mpkwh in my Kia Soul (30 kWh battery model). But I only run about locally, no motorway. I also charge from a home wall box in my drive. Still cheap.
My Peugeot 405 did well over 50mpg more like 60mpg.
What about mechanics costs?
Also battery degradation over the lifetime of the battery and the cost of buying a new battery... I like EVs but so much to go to get the price down
You don’t have to keep buying new batteries. The most impressive example is a Renault ZOE that has exceeded 1 million kms on its original battery, which is still above the state of health percentage that Renault guaranteed them to. Plus they are made of lots of individual cells, and usually if any degradation occurs, it’s only in one or two of the cells, which can be refurbished or replaced for £100 a cell (in the case of the Leaf/ZOE batteries). They have an expected service life of 20-30 years.
Personally I wouldn't buy a new battery. I'd have my existing battery pack refurbished, at a fraction of the cost of replacing it..... Why do so many keep thinking you *have* to buy a new battery?
Hi Nick our leaf (2018) averages 4.3miles/Kw and I pay about 35p/Kw home charging thats just over 8p/mile running in Eco mode
However I still bought a second hand Dacia Duster diesel and in Eco mode (yes it has one) I get easily 60mpg with diesel at about £8.00 gal thats 13,3p/mile the difference is the Leaf cost £32,000 and the Duster £8,500
Thats 480,000 mile before the 5 pence difference would be recouped
This is my second leaf the earlier model was lighter and did 5 miles to the Kw so thats going backwards
I'm a long time EV owner and living in Scotland where there is one integrated network unlike South of the border I am happy enough using an EV
If I lived in England or Wales I almost certainly would not have one
Thats before the Gorvenment start messing about with my home charger or increasing Vat on home charging
Thanks for all the great content over the years
John
I mean I don't like the LEAF but you can't compare a DUSTER to a lead come on! That's like me saying wow my Porsche Taycan cost me £100,000 but the tesla Model 3 std range is only 40k.... compare apples to apples... Also duster don't have a 2nd resale market... Leafs so and your still get over 25k for it... Also WHY YOU ON 35p follow advise in video go to evnick.com/energy and get on octopus go for 7.5p and get 2p a mile
@@NicolasRaimo Hi Nick I had a smart meter installed over a year ago it didn't work so Octopus had another one installed They still couldn't see that one at their end
Two weeks ago they installed a third smart meter well actually SMS their sub contractor in Scotland did this Bear in mind this has taken a whole year
Now they can see it and read it as can we however the In Home Display still shows the wrong tarriff so although the display shows KW used I have to get the calculator out to work out the cost
Octopus are very good but Smart meter installs don't always go to plan so if it ever gets to the stage wher I can switch tarrifs I will definitely take your advice although the peak rate might not suit as we are retired and at home often during the day
Regards the Dacia Duster it is a well specified Prestige model It's very quiet has all the usual mod cons including a reversing camera etc when it was new it cost £16495 which is about half the cost of a Leaf you should maybe get a test drive and do a review LOL!
@@BSAT10 it's definitely worth getting Go even if you're at home all day - we had it at our last house and I'm at home all day, it still worked out a lot cheaper than the cheapest fix back then (September 21) and we weren't charging the car with it. We do have timers built in to our dishwasher and washing machine though so did try and use them in the 4 hour 5p rate overnight.
@@BSAT10 i wouldn’t own a duster nor would I own an Mg however that’s a better comparison than leaf… the device in your home isn’t the meter long as octopus see the meters in half hour reads that’s all that matters… peak rate is 40p the 7.5p off peak will mean your average rate be under 32p easy unless your only doing 3000 miles see my video called beating price cap 🧢
@@NicolasRaimo Thanks Nick I'll do that
I'm waiting till they remote update my IHD or I get my first bill read by them remotely so I'm sure everything is working
Regards depreciation the Duster depreciated £7,000 in 6 years the Leaf depreciated £7,000 in 4.5 years so pecentage wise the leaf looks better on paper because of the high initial cost
Thanks again for your hard work on the channel
John
Use to get 42 miles per gallon out of my diesel Laguna coupe so 50 miles per gallon should be possible for many small cars but not likely for mid range and above over the year
I got 58 mpg urban, 76 mpg long distance in my 1.4HDi 206 for 14 years of ownership. It was regularly serviced with high quality parts / oil, and only ever Shell or Esso fuel (aunt was a petrol station regional manager and they were the only fuels she’d recommend; incidentally I was taught to drive by her younger brother, my dad, who is a tight Yorkshire Chartered Engineer 😂). I currently am still getting over 5 miles / kW out of my 41kWh ZOE (but not when my partner drives it haha).
Dacia Duster I get 60mpg regularly and have had more
I used to have Peugeot 406 estate from 2001 and that did around 42mpg
I suppose it depends where you drive
I got 60mpg claimed in my old swift, probably more like 50-55mpg. still using Go prices and kona avg 4.5m/kwh vs Swift at 50-60mpg for 9000 miles i still save over £1000 a year
ie. pays for the charger in less than a year
pays for the car vs the petrol kona in 8
The Kona is £17k more expensive though.
but always will be 17k more expensive....... If you buy a car for 30k and a car for 20k and in 5 years the 30k car is worth 20k then the 20k car is usually 10k... normally the more expensive car loses more money but with EVs being so popular they retain MORE value than ever so for example now a 2 year old kona is the same price it was NEW
@@NicolasRaimo .but he’s talking about keeping it for 8 years, unlikely that an 8 year old car will be sought after.
@@bordersw1239 am selling 8 year old zoes like hot cakes they cost new at the time 10k there making 6-8k now! EVs are not like petrol cars they still feel like new in 8 years
It was an 8 grand difference when I bought my car.
Now it's 10k. Petrol SE model 20k, electric SE is 30.
Yes currently at 32p k/Wh (taxpayer subsidised) it is more expensive than petrol and diesel (double taxed at 100-120% fuel duty + VAT). Only makes sense if you have a solar array or cheap night rate.
I could never justify an electric vehicle based on economics. My 10 year old diesel genuinely does better than 60 miles/gallon. It was bought for £3500, insured and taxed for almost nothing each year with only 35 000 miles on the clock. I don't pay subscription fees for Internet connectivity or refuelling. I don't buy expensive tyres which need to be replaced rapidly. Brake pads normally only need replacing every 115 000 miles the way I drive. The difference in insurance cost wouldn't cover the savings I'd make in energy costs. When EV's get old the batteries need changing. They are only warrantied for 100 000 miles or eight years. We know that LiIon batteries have calendar lives which expire whether babied or not. I have no data for the safety of batteries beyond 70% degradation. No EV is in my price range and certainly won't do 1000000 miles without a battery swap not matter the claims that are made.
Well if you are only doing 3,500 miles per year, then the EV economics will not work for you. But if you have 35k on the clock you are not far from getting a new timing belt, one less expense for us EV owners. As for the battery it nonsense. Our MG ZS EV is 3 years old and now has 53k miles on the clock and the charged range has only dropped 2 miles, so total nonsense about batteries needing replacing that soon. Ok the 2012 first edition Nissan leaf (our previous car) would need replacing after 8 years, but even Nissan leafs had improved by 2014 . I see our car lasting decades, I think the body will rust away (I'm yards from the sea) before the battery looses 20%> As the car is normally used for my partner's 70 mile daily commute, most of the charging is done at home on Economy 7 off peak, currently 21p per kW, dropping to 18.5p in October and we use solar panels in summer. EV saves us around £2000 per year compared with petrol. The MG ZS EV cost us £20k it was our first new car. The petrol version of same car was around £12k, so £8k more for EV, so we will recover the extra cost for the EV in just 4 years. The EV is a far nicer car to drive, great acceleration and no engine noise. As we are in Scotland we got a 100% interest free loan on the car over 7 years at £277 per month from Home Energy Scotland. As demand for EV is so high I can sell the car for the same price as when I purchased 3 years ago and that is with 53k on the clock. We are really happy with purchase and as it is SUV style we can take it down rough tracks as well. Great fun.
Our insurance is only around £180 per year with LV, hardly expensive.
You don't need internet access to use an EV well certainly not with the MG ZS EV. You just get an RFID card or use debit/credit car to pay at public charging point.
@@shortbits23 Don't need a timing belt. Timing chains last a great deal longer
@@shortbits23 But you do need to recover the difference in purchase price before you catch me up.
Great video. Very complex issue to get across.
Hi @Nicolas Raimo, sorry to bother you, but do you know where to find Greg Jackson, Octopus CEO's contact details? We are still waiting for an appointment to switch our useless SMETS1 meters to SMETS2, agreed by Octopus at the beginning of August after 8 months of asking them, and now they've gone quiet. I'm severely ill/disabled and we have an EV which is the only mode of transport I can use, but we can't afford to charge at home in the standard tariff. Or if anyone knows of an energy supplier we can switch to who will swap the bloody things over, so we can use an EV tariff, I'd be very grateful. It's an untenable situation and ridiculous that we're stuck with the very first models of SMETS1 meters that are probably over 10 years old now anyway. Thanks 😊
He’s as simple as greg@octopus.energy I believe or you can tweet him he’s great on twitter…. Am sure smet1 is undergoing a transfer to smet2 currently so it might be they don’t need to change the meter at all
@@NicolasRaimo Thank you ever so much for that! ☺️ We were told by BG (who we were with originally at new house, and whose meters we have) back in Feb that our area/meter types had begun to roll out updates. Trouble is, we have the old Landis GR+ meters that aren’t guaranteed to work after the update, the last update scheduled was Sept 2022 and they still don’t work with Octopus, and since the DCC has removed the update schedule and appears to be winding down the updates according to their published consultation documents, I don’t see them working anytime soon. It would be good if they did! It’s a nightmare that I warned Ofgem would happen when I first heard that they were going to allow energy companies to spec their own smart meters instead of adhering to a universal standard (I have a dual subject degree, one of which is ICT, was an IT Administrator and I am fortunate to understand and able to design both software and hardware). My biggest concern is the chance of electricity blackouts - we were hoping to invest our small savings in a home battery to prevent this very situation of not having heating etc (our only gas heating is boiler, so leccy off = cold house and I need it at a constant steady temp as my body cannot regulate its own temp). Not being able to charge on a TOU tariff is going to seriously affect the affordability of doing this though 😞 God, I hate this Government 🤬
@@NicolasRaimo PS Sorry for the rant, very upset and ill and the moment - but I do appreciate your immediate, helpful response ☺️ I’m going to forward my latest email to that address and see what happens 🤞🏻
@@NicolasRaimo Thanks ever so much for sharing that pertinent email Nic - it got sorted and we now have new Octopus smart meters and Go! 👍 Incidentally, the meter fitter was genuinely surprised I'd been repeatedly told there were no appointments available in our area, as he's been fitting them exclusively in our area since January and said he'd had loads of availability?! Something not quite right there.
@@Adeleisha glad it’s been sorted ✅ hope to see you around the channel more I have a series on battery systems coming also check out evnick.com :)
Your point about the Government's recent decision to increase VAT from 5% to 20% on public charging is correct. I can see the logic of this in terms of consistency, as the 20% rate is applicable to most end user purchases.
But applying 20% VAT to electricity has made taxation of the same commodity inconsistent.
Despite the current desire of Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng to lower taxes, I don't think there's any chance the VAT rate on public EV charging will ever return to the original 5%. I think it's more likely that when (fingers tightly crossed) we see an end to the Ukraine war and a return to lower energy prices (or am I just dreaming?) we're more likely to see the VAT rate on domestic electricity increased to 20%.
My reasoning is based on the rapidly increasing adoption of EV's and eventual disappearance of ICE vehicles from roads in the UK. The amount of tax revenue that will be lost from fossil fuel duty and road fund licence is going to have to come from somewhere? Oh hang on - there would be a huge amount of 'fossil fuel subsidy' money that would be available to use wouldn't there, without the need for additional taxation?
Comparing the prices of energy is always going to show inconsistencies. Heating oil and diesel are almost the same thing but 'derv' fuel carries a road tax. It would be unfair to tax home electricity with a road tax for the same reason heating oil does not carry a road tax. However the car charger could have it's own meter.
Disel and gas include taxes for infrastructure maintenance. There will be a monthly fee for electric cars. It's just unavoidable. Btw, there is a loss of electricity during EV, which is completely ignored. Here in Connecticut, USA with electricity about $.26 per kW and gasoline $3.5 per gallon - any hybrid car with MPG 38 or better is a win for gasoline.
Agree 3.5 is low for my 28kWh Ioniq but is generous for a Jaguar iPace
Great channel Nick.
It even makes sense at the performance end of the market. I mothballed a Porsche 997 which does on average 22mpg for a KIA EV6 GT which does 2.7m/kWh. Charging at home at 35p the EV costs around a 1/3 of the Porsche and is faster as well.
If you can charge at home EVs are the obvious choice.
We’ve just had solar panels fitted (G99😊) for even cheaper charging.
Thanks for comment, if your paying 35p assume your still on gov price cap? Might wanna check out my other videos on some better deals some for EV owners and some for solar and battery owners I’ll be publishing some new videos about it over the next few weeks but most of the info on my website at evnick.com/energy
@@NicolasRaimo Thanks Nick
I already watched some of them. We’re with EDF, just waiting for a smart meter to be fitted so we can then switch to Octopus flux which seems the best one for us. Apparently it’s quicker if you get your existing supplier to change the meter and then switch.
I plan to charge my EV at home during the day some of the time and export at 25p e when we have excess. It’s a fascinating new experience and it has also made our family more aware of the electricity that we are using which can only be a good thing.
Thanks again.
@@BAC_Mono yea better to get smart meter first slows the wait, please consider using my referral link for octopus really helps me out cheers
Public charging shouldn't be taxed unless it's a local council install then 5% I guess
Apparently as most public charge points are run by commercial businesses they pay 20% vat on the electricity, which they pass onto the consumer. Crazy when domestic electricity is charged at 5% vat.
@@shortbits23 ah right fair enough
Cry me a river. We pay 53p a litre fuel duty (tax) then pay 20% Vat as well - yes double tax So that's about 40% tax for petrol/diesel. If electricity were taxed equally, and EVs left free to fight for themselves in a free market ie no price protection either, the EV market would die on arrival.
@@bodrulm1 well surely if you want to avoid all that tax then it makes sense to buy an EV.
@@bodrulm1 as for free market, what the heck is that, you have all the import duties and tax on vehicle imports or almost anything else imported, the same as overseas consumers pay for duties and tax imposed on them by their governments. Show me a true "free" market, it doesn't exist now. It may have done when we were in the EU zone, it certainly does not out of it.
i diliver fast food i had a 2005 c3 diesel getting 60 mpg getting harmed round the doors i have a note 2010 now getting 52/53 getting harmed round the doors i cood get them Bothe over 70 mpg driving normally on a normal drive not stop start
Get over 60 miles per gallon on my corsa. Thats driving it medium no problem.
Here figures with break even point redone with 60mpg and a small size EV similar to Corsa doing 5mpkwh
Electric car
Effiicency 5 mpkwh
Price per kWh £0.640
Cost per mile 0.13
Fuel Vehcile
Effiicency 60 mpg
Price per litre £1.72
Cost per mile £0.13
@@NicolasRaimo still were do you take an electric car for mot etc if something goes wrong 🤔 lol need a week off work to sort it. And ehen batteries start depleting etc. Add the cost its 10k or so more than a normal car. Is it really worth it .. all so if everyone goes electric the bills will go up of course then were will we be.
Darren watch few more videos on the channel and stick around your see Ill answer these questions for you... Batteries don't just fail just like engines don't just blow up, in fact its FAR FAR more likely to have an engine problem than a battery fail... Even with a battery degrading at current rates that's about 450,000 miles with LOTS of fast charging and current tesla batteries are tested to a MILLION MILES everyone else isn't far behind... Regarding electric am covering that in a series of videos over the next few weeks but in short electric prices will FALL every year from today as MORE wind and solar is added to the gird you can also add battery or solar to your home now and lock your own prices in.
Why does it cost so much for to have a home charger fitted❓All they are is a glorified socket with a higher amps. 😡🏴🇬🇧🤠
Hi Paul I've done a series of home charger reviews and they are more than just a glorified socket they contain tons of VERY CLEVER safety devices, but also smart tech on top, unit wholesale costs range from £500-£900 depending how smart or pretty it is, Home installs range from £850 to THE MOON depending how complex your install is.
@@NicolasRaimo It's a cooker cable surely?
@@wayland7150 cookers are fitted outside connected to DC electrics that store vast amounts of power but also at very high voltages? So no nothing like cookers the safety equipment to ensure safety to user and your very expensive car ain’t cheap
@@NicolasRaimo What the car charger stores vast amounts of power? I thought the car stored the power. Seems like a rip off to me. A scam like Global Warming which is driving this BS in the first place. I'll be pleased when we get to shoot the perpetrators of this crap.
Good video looking at energy as a basis for costs. However true costs of running an electric vehicle/ mile would have to take into consideration higher insurance costs as well as higher depreciation costs. Would a Tesla model S at just over 2 tonnes and model 3 at just under 2 tonnes wear out tyres quicker? I'm told yes but have no evidence for this. Good fun though
Octopus energy not available in Northern ireland
What dual deals you have like eco7?
They don't have tentacles everywhere then.
My average in my Teslas is 2.5 - 3 miles per kw
assume its a model x? in which case compare MPG to a Range Rover v8
@@NicolasRaimo model S and X, model S get 450w per mile, model x averages 550wpm
Your right VAT should be reduced to 5 %. Great channel I learned a lot thanks
As the pound has just gone down the toilet the price of a barrel of oil prices in dollars just about to cause extreme increase in the price of fuel in uk so you can add 15% to the fuel price because of exchange rate only
Yes the price of electricity will go up.
Unfortunate to use the gridserve figures the day they announced a price increase.
Video was done about 2 weeks ago just after osprey changed prices
Do you do voice overs on TV adverts?
Not with my voice I don’t
Lol I thought I recognised it on an advert. Keep up the great work as ev's and kw hours etc really are confusing
@@scottchadwick9943 which advert.. gonna have to listen out
@@NicolasRaimo I think it was the sky advert but my memory not that great
It's easy Scott, 1kwh is 1000 watts for a hour, (one unit) so say a 1 kw electric fire on for 2 hours will use 2kw not to be confused with the 1 kw, per hour or 1 kwh, if you said its 2kwh that would imply it uses 4 kw in 2 hours, if its on for half heat for a hour you used 500 watts per hour or 500 wh,
so to use a full unit of 1 kw a 7 watt light bulb would need to be on for 1000 watts / 7 = 142 hours or 6 weeks to use one unit of 1kw
I really think you should do a proper comparison which include maintenance cost for both vehicles....this should also include replacement batteries for the EV ($20,000) after ten years..
Where did you pull that 20k figure from... and ten years TOTAL HORSE CRAP
@@NicolasRaimo well what are the figures? do you know? and can u tell us?
@@jcthe2nd depends on what the issue is with the battery, someone I know with a fault on an old I-Meiv had 1 some faulty cells total cost was £540. You don't replace the entire pack if only part of it needs repair.
Next 10 year figure... the pack doesn't just suddenly die it will start degrading, meaning every single year it has a loss of some of its performance and range now NEW the car may off had 250 miles at 100% HEALTH after 10 years it could have lost between 5 to 20% then every year it could lose a little more % however this doesn't mean it doesn't work it just won't travel same distance to some people a 250 mile EV new 20 years old with a 50% loss is still 125 miles that might be MORE than enough for what they want it for and if not a 2nd market for these will show up TRUST ME, EVEN then say you wanted to replace your 20 year old car for a BRAND new pack the old pack still have a value and a battery size and chemistry prices in 20 years means cost for new and selling old will likely be around £8000 but who puts a new engine in a car after 20 years?
Why would you replace the battery, when you could have it refurbished for a fraction of the cost of replacing it?
I own both an ice and an ev and I can say EVs are just as much as petrol with the price of fuel
It's interesting that Octopus Go charge 7.5p/kwh yet most people's electricity for their home was never that cheap in recent years. 12p and now double that. Obviously for the lucky few who can get that deal it's very good but it's artificial. It does not represent the correct market price. Similar with petrol having a heavy tax on it, what if that same tax was applied to EV 'fuel'?
You are probably charging at the normal day rate. Get on an off-peak tariff, and it drops to a 7th of the cost of using petrol.
I just wish I was paying 7p per KWh, I'm actually paying 28p per KWh. Lucky you 👍
Move to octopus go like i mentioned… full details at evnick.com/energy
Bulb have an EV tariff now as well. It's comparable to Octopus Go
@@bodrulm1 bulb have gone bust and don’t accept any customers
@@NicolasRaimo thanks EVNick, I have signed up on thier website as not excepting customers 😔 Should have done it sooner before all the issues. 🤞 I will be able to change in the near future.
@@msmith9604 as per my website if you want to move to go or any other EV deal long as you already have a smet2 smart meter or smet1 secure you can move and use my refferal code
Nice video, very informative 👍
In the short term.
assume you didn't watch the entire video......................
@@NicolasRaimo to buy the EV and run it in its first year, I was estimating.
I'll let you know when I can get a usable ev for under £1000 lol
EVs will never drop to this level for least another 10 years is my estimate due to the scrap value always being MORE
@@NicolasRaimo looks like millions more ebikes on the roads soon then
Plenty of EVs below £1000. Build one yourself. You just need a bicycle and a Chinese kit of a wheel with a motor and a battery and a throttle grip.
@@wayland7150 😂😂😂 yeah, I've seen the awful things, I think my ebike is faster than they are, I wouldn't be seen dead in one tbh, rather walk in the rain than own one of those monstrosities!
Thanks for this - another great video
Thanks for an outstanding comment ;)
thanks Nick
I don't know where anybody else buys petrol or diesel but I don't see it available for half price or lower in the small hours or even being given away at times (Octopus Agile).
We do not have a drive but we are in the process of arranging to charge once a week on a friend's drive overnight on their overnight reduced tariff. Our weekly mileage allows for this easily.
Servicing and maintenance of an EV is significantly lower than any comparable fossil burner and as we intend to keep the vehicle for at least ten years I believe that we will spend an awful lot less money than somebody with a fossil burner does.
And, it's quieter when on the move, easier to drive and yes, there are no exhaust emissions. The air in our town will benefit from one less exhaust.
you must include the cost of the car as electric cars are far more expensive than petrol diesel and the depreciation on electric cars repairs etc it will take a lifetime to brake even this is a no brainer but to save the planet yes but ev cars the way to go but MUST be subsidised or the average person will buy a car that suits there wallet
Treat buying an electric car as an investment yes it cost more than a petrol and diesel car but the depreciation on them is FAR less. For example my 2015 Renault Zoe purchased in 2016 had a RRP of £5,000 I sold it in 2021 for £8500 so it increased in value... My wifes Corsa E purchased for £21,000 in 2021 October today had a RRP of £24995 again an increase... This is partly due to cost of living increasing costs but for a like for like clio or corsa petrol they'd of all LOST money not gained
Too many numbers mate. It's impenetrable. You need to turn all this info into graphs.
If you really cared about the enviroment and the impact on the world then you wouldnt drive an EV.
And the oil industry has a tiny effect on the environment, does it? How about the odd huge oil tanker spillage, polluting thousands of square miles of ocean. Here's a suggestion. Shut yourself in your garage with your car engine running, then see how long it is before you bale out, gasping for air. Then repeat the experience with a switched on electric car. Then let us know which one you felt was worse for your health and the environment......
man i know petrol cars that drive more then 50mpg and gasoline is cheaper then diesel,lmao,and gasoline cars are cheaper then diesel cars,double lmao,and meintenance of gasoline cars is cheaper triple lmao,why people like diesel cars so much?
Clickbait title!!
Not really clickbait , look at the actual energy cost comparison , 1 litre of diesel is equivalent to approximately 10kwh of electricity.
@@JohnSmith-sz4gv no-one who charges at home (vast majority of be drivers) pays £1/kWH for the majority of their charging. Is it possible to pay more to drive your EV than a diesel…sure but not the vast majority of the time
@@awestrope74 what i was trying to point out is if we paid the same price per unit of energy as diesel cost . ( look at the maths ) it would be 17.6 pence per KWH which would include all that duty and tax that is supposed to be included in the price of diesel , get the rip off that is being hidden , and by the way most old Victorian towns don't have off road parking.
clickbait.... depends how you view clickbait and understand it.
Firstly this video is about this subject so by no means misleading so if you mean clickbait as in the title was interesting to you and it made you click the video then surely thats the point of a youtube and the title?
Let's be honest, aside from cost of fuel, EVs are so much more fun to drive.
They don't have a gearbox, so this is impossible.
@Wooly Chewbakker your comment does not address the comment you were replying to at all…
@Wooly Chewbakker the entire point of the comment you were replying to, was that EVs are so much more fun to drive. Your comment had nothing to do with that. The comment you were replying to literally was saying that aside from the purpose of the video (fuel cost) EVs are more fun to drive. You are not actually addressing, in any way at all, the point of the comment that you were replying to. And you are still unaware of that.
Your comment might belong directly on the video itself, but not on this comment. When you reply to a comment, it makes sense to actually reply to what the comment said/the point it was making. You have not.
@Wooly Chewbakker the entire point of the comment was that EVs are more fun to drive. At least you mentioned that in this particular comment. That is slight progress.
@Wooly Chewbakker And it will be 10k cheaper to sell also. Depreciation is the cost you need to look at not purchase price.